Re: Subject: Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now
> Sean C. wrote; > Now let me get back to fixing HTML5 for you!! Wow ... Where is the piece I missed? @Heather Every (software) kingdom needs a court jester. They have special rights and nobody should be insulted by them. (And sometimes they say, just as young children, the truth.) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Subject: Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now
+1 > On Oct 3, 2019, at 12:35 , R.H. via use-livecode > wrote: > > Some of the rants are leading nowhere. > > I do not think that anybody writing as Richmond did has ever been involved > in keeping up a company with such little assumed revenue to pay from for > salaries. And I would love to see such guys running a company and make > money. They will all fail. But to make money is what a company needs to do. > Any constructive suggestion? > > A free community version does not generate income. And rants about > "community" is unfair and the words used are unpleasant to read for users > on the list. They do not convey understanding but express personal anger. > Who shall deal with that? > > There are many parts and waiting bugs that can be addressed, but LiveCode > is a huge endeavor addressed by limited resources. I ran over 100 > developers for business solutions with my own company and know what I am > talking about. > > Put a million dollars in, outsource bug fixing and testing, anticipate a > business model that works. It is very difficult, even impossible, unless > supported by giants nobody here wants to see on board. > > If you can do better, come up with suggestions that do not put everbody > down. There is also a responsibilty when writing to a public group. If you > want politics, go to politics. There is enough hate I do not want to see it > here. > > I never felt and saw that the LiveCode dev team is not serious and not > trying their very best. Nobody in software development can fully predict > how things will work out. It is an inherent problem due to the complexity > of the subject. > > In my company, when I counted estimated development time, I multiplied it > by the factor 4. But who will pay? Only big companies pay serious money for > bug fixing and for each new release. So, I moved main funding to getting > paid for hours spent then. Not so possible here. > > I also paid to the LC fundraising campagne and was already satisfied with > the support for Unicode. I never expected that everything would be possible > to fully do for such relatively small amount of money. I never had such > attitude. And nobody else could have done it. The team worked dedicated and > hard. But they also have to live. > > Hundreds of millions are lost by companies for that complexity reason in > development. It is easy to break down and very hard to build up. > > And in comparison to all those I know as well trying, LC does a fantastic > job for do many years. Thanks to such wonderful team. > > To be on the edge of everything, pay dozens of millions monthly! Not even > Adobe or Microsoft can do it and fail often enough. > > Be decent! > > Roland > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
Heather Humbly, I think that would be a bit over the top to ban Richmond. I found it quite entertaining and somewhat truthful. I’m in quite a pleasant and rational state of mind at the moment so can look objectively at this. Having stared down the naked barrel of the gun in the hands of LC last year I can totally get where Richmond is coming from, and I’m a long time paying subscriber to LC several times over now. It IS very much distressing at times to have a product that struggles so much and so consistently. HTML5 is only my latest example of this. I only manage to maintain this good state of mind because of a huge amount of meds (far more than a normal human should have to take) and a really forgiving and kind client (supporter). Please don’t ban Richmond as he is a valued member and goes through ups and downs like the rest of us. Sometimes, like me, they come out in a rant. Even if it was offensive (which is a subjective term), rude, ill-informed or whatever it is nonetheless a comment that should itself be valued and taken as genuine. Our views, even the bad ones, should be taken on the chin and counted as useful to LCs growth. By them you get to understand the Community you prize so highly (as well you should). If you don’t agree with what he said then that’s your prerogative (even as moderator) but it’s just a vented opinion and, as such, deserves the respect of any readers it gets. Make the product better and maybe there’ll be nothing left to rant about ;) Now let me get back to fixing HTML5 for you!! (Which my client says I’m a fool for doing seeing as we are paying you for “the gosh-darned thing” (some words replaced for the front of heart). He has a point but I just can’t see you getting it done anytime soon. Even me sending the PR doesn’t guarantee that we’ll see it go live in the next year or so for commercial use. ) If you are really demanding an apology, I would appreciate an even bigger one from your team for winding me up in hospital last year (which I and even my therapists/councillors throw cleanly at LCs doorstep). Anything less would possibly/likely be verging on hypocrisy. All the very best to the very best of you all. Sean Cole Pi Digital Prod Ltd > On 3 Oct 2019, at 21:53, Heather Laine via use-livecode > wrote: > > Richmond - What you wrote is not just "unpleasant". It is rude, ill > informed, offensive and disrespectful to LiveCode, our company, our amazingly > dedicated employees, and the members of this great list. If I don't see an > apology in the morning you will make history as the only person I have ever > banned twice from this list. > > Regards somewhat in abeyance right now. > > Heather > > Heather Laine > Customer Services Manager > LiveCode Ltd > www.livecode.com > > > >> On 3 Oct 2019, at 20:54, Richmond via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> Unpleasant rants . . . >> >> Indeed: what I write was unpleasant. >> >> There is, sometimes, a time and a place for unpleasantness, or, as some >> would have it, 'speaking directly.' >> >> But, as many people have said softer, more tactful things for a long time to >> largely no avail, it might just >> be that an unpleasant rant gets through. >> >> If I offended anyone re running companies, that is just a side effect. >> >> The simple fact is . . . >> >> And I did preface my rant with it's "Mr Mouth" ' so anyone who wanted >> could either ignore or disregard what I wrote. >> >> >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
Richmond - What you wrote is not just "unpleasant". It is rude, ill informed, offensive and disrespectful to LiveCode, our company, our amazingly dedicated employees, and the members of this great list. If I don't see an apology in the morning you will make history as the only person I have ever banned twice from this list. Regards somewhat in abeyance right now. Heather Heather Laine Customer Services Manager LiveCode Ltd www.livecode.com > On 3 Oct 2019, at 20:54, Richmond via use-livecode > wrote: > > Unpleasant rants . . . > > Indeed: what I write was unpleasant. > > There is, sometimes, a time and a place for unpleasantness, or, as some would > have it, 'speaking directly.' > > But, as many people have said softer, more tactful things for a long time to > largely no avail, it might just > be that an unpleasant rant gets through. > > If I offended anyone re running companies, that is just a side effect. > > The simple fact is . . . > > And I did preface my rant with it's "Mr Mouth" ' so anyone who wanted > could either ignore or disregard what I wrote. > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
On 10/3/19 12:54 PM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote: And I did preface my rant with it's "Mr Mouth" ' so anyone who wanted could either ignore or disregard what I wrote. Ignore a Richmond Rant? You gotta be kidding. I live for these things. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
Hi Trevor I understand totally but when something was promised after crowdfunding to be ready in 3 months and three and a half years later NOTHING that is unforgivable ... If one person at Livecode spent 1 hour a day only without weekends over 3 and a half years that’s roughly 21 weeks at 5 days a week 8 hour days ... and that’s a lazy programmers week. I want them to succeed I don’t want them to take mark and monty and Ali off this project but getting even an a couple of hours a week would have done something And answering Bob the best company I ever dealt with for support was Foxpro before microdot bought them ... had a showstopper big while I was onsite in Manchester sent a fax to America got a patch for the bug 1 hour later which I downloaded from their bbs at 2400 baud ... now that’s support. Mark waddingham Monty and Panos on this uselist are close but they aren’t in charge of lighting the Cigar Lagi Sent from my iPhone > On 3 Oct 2019, at 16:42, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode > wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:56 AM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> >> I'm reading between the >> lines but Trevor probably knows how well it's doing - but the rest of use >> are being treated like mushrooms. >> > > Hi Lagi, > > I do not have any additional information about how well the FM project or > the company is doing. The last update I received was what others heard at > the LiveCode Conference. My thoughts are based on what I think I would do > if I was in their place. > > While I make my business decisions based on what LiveCode can do now (a > wise senior engineer once counseled me not to base my business on what > other companies *might* do), I am very interested in the company's health > as the LiveCode platform affects my ability to deliver great software using > LiveCode in the future. LiveCode is a very ambitious project. The number of > platforms they are trying to support requires an enormous amount of > planning, programming, and other resources to create, maintain, and > improve. I am heavily invested in LiveCode as a platform so I want very > much for the company to have healthy revenue streams. > > Based on what I've heard, the LiveCode FM product addresses a very > important problem that companies are willing to pay recurring licensing > fees to overcome. It is a wonderful thing when a company can find a large > pool of customers that have a problem they are willing pay to them you to > solve. So while I'm less enthusiastic about development on LiveCode slowing > down right now, I support the company pursuing this opportunity. > > -- > Trevor DeVore > ScreenSteps > www.screensteps.com > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
Unpleasant rants . . . Indeed: what I write was unpleasant. There is, sometimes, a time and a place for unpleasantness, or, as some would have it, 'speaking directly.' But, as many people have said softer, more tactful things for a long time to largely no avail, it might just be that an unpleasant rant gets through. If I offended anyone re running companies, that is just a side effect. The simple fact is . . . And I did preface my rant with it's "Mr Mouth" ' so anyone who wanted could either ignore or disregard what I wrote. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Subject: Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now
Some of the rants are leading nowhere. I do not think that anybody writing as Richmond did has ever been involved in keeping up a company with such little assumed revenue to pay from for salaries. And I would love to see such guys running a company and make money. They will all fail. But to make money is what a company needs to do. Any constructive suggestion? A free community version does not generate income. And rants about "community" is unfair and the words used are unpleasant to read for users on the list. They do not convey understanding but express personal anger. Who shall deal with that? There are many parts and waiting bugs that can be addressed, but LiveCode is a huge endeavor addressed by limited resources. I ran over 100 developers for business solutions with my own company and know what I am talking about. Put a million dollars in, outsource bug fixing and testing, anticipate a business model that works. It is very difficult, even impossible, unless supported by giants nobody here wants to see on board. If you can do better, come up with suggestions that do not put everbody down. There is also a responsibilty when writing to a public group. If you want politics, go to politics. There is enough hate I do not want to see it here. I never felt and saw that the LiveCode dev team is not serious and not trying their very best. Nobody in software development can fully predict how things will work out. It is an inherent problem due to the complexity of the subject. In my company, when I counted estimated development time, I multiplied it by the factor 4. But who will pay? Only big companies pay serious money for bug fixing and for each new release. So, I moved main funding to getting paid for hours spent then. Not so possible here. I also paid to the LC fundraising campagne and was already satisfied with the support for Unicode. I never expected that everything would be possible to fully do for such relatively small amount of money. I never had such attitude. And nobody else could have done it. The team worked dedicated and hard. But they also have to live. Hundreds of millions are lost by companies for that complexity reason in development. It is easy to break down and very hard to build up. And in comparison to all those I know as well trying, LC does a fantastic job for do many years. Thanks to such wonderful team. To be on the edge of everything, pay dozens of millions monthly! Not even Adobe or Microsoft can do it and fail often enough. Be decent! Roland ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
Brian, thanks for your quick info. Good to hear they do accept contributions and merge them in the commercial versions. On 03/10/2019, 19:55, "use-livecode on behalf of Brian Milby via use-livecode" wrote: Part of the agreement that you make when you submit a PR is that you assign rights for the fixes to LC so the code can be integrated into the commercial versions. You can’t mix the code on GitHub with the commercial versions yourself though. I have submitted stuff that is now in released versions, so they do accept contributions (and not everything was strictly bug fixes). Thanks, Brian On Oct 3, 2019, 1:48 PM -0400, Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode , wrote: > Does anyone know if you fork the Community Edition of LiveCode, solve bugs (e.g. IDE-related, plugins etc.), compile the LC version again and integrate it to the Indy version? > Or is this just not possible because of the closed source of the engine? > > On 03/10/2019, 18:16, "use-livecode on behalf of Mark Wieder via use-livecode" wrote: > > On 10/3/19 8:47 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote: > > > > All true. But will the idle state of LC ever change again? > > > > > > > I believe that it will if LiveCode FM gets traction. I may be wrong. > > Additionally, the patch that Mark Waddingham just implemented related to > the frozen pool (I am the walrus?) affecting debugging is encouraging. > > -- > Mark Wieder > ahsoftw...@gmail.com > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
Part of the agreement that you make when you submit a PR is that you assign rights for the fixes to LC so the code can be integrated into the commercial versions. You can’t mix the code on GitHub with the commercial versions yourself though. I have submitted stuff that is now in released versions, so they do accept contributions (and not everything was strictly bug fixes). Thanks, Brian On Oct 3, 2019, 1:48 PM -0400, Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode , wrote: > Does anyone know if you fork the Community Edition of LiveCode, solve bugs > (e.g. IDE-related, plugins etc.), compile the LC version again and integrate > it to the Indy version? > Or is this just not possible because of the closed source of the engine? > > On 03/10/2019, 18:16, "use-livecode on behalf of Mark Wieder via > use-livecode" use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > On 10/3/19 8:47 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote: > > > > All true. But will the idle state of LC ever change again? > > > > > > > I believe that it will if LiveCode FM gets traction. I may be wrong. > > Additionally, the patch that Mark Waddingham just implemented related to > the frozen pool (I am the walrus?) affecting debugging is encouraging. > > -- > Mark Wieder > ahsoftw...@gmail.com > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
Aha: it's "Mr Mouth", late to the party, but well furnished with virtual whisky and raxin up tae an unco raj state. And, much against my inner inclinations I will put the following in English (although I have always viewed English as a cold, sterile language, while Scots speaks directly from the heart); All the "bull" (oops, that's American) about "Community" is bull, no more, no less. The "good" folk at LiveCode Central cherry pick from the "community's" gripes/comments/feedback/ideas to serve their ends, and exclude things that, while in many cases being extremely pertinent, do not serve or further whatever goals they have set their eyes on. As an ex-cult member (Yes, really) I know all about top-down systems and what the results are: never either equable or effective. And, as an ex-cult member I know that the high-ups got there either by chance, by extremely dirty politics, or because the guru "fancied the shape of their knees." I spent an awful lot of time and energy working to release other people from a variety of cults; so my understanding of the mechanisms of these organisations is fairly good. - Now, as someone who pushed for years for LiveCode to release a truly free version of their fantastic language/ ide/programming package I was 100% ecstatic when the open source version was released. I have NEVER bought into the "Community" crap: because that is what it is: crap! There is a community insofar as many people who use LiveCode for various reasons help each other with things they get stuck with: and that, as far as it goes, is super. A "Community" as endlessly burbled on by LiveCode Central is a typical cultic system: "you come up with bright ideas and we take what we like and what serve our interests and overlook what is inconvenient." Just recently I read about the British/English parliament (which has been called the "Mother" of parliaments) described as the "Madam" of parliaments: presumably pimping its members and its voting public like nobody's business. LiveCode, if it wants to keep its "Community" happy has to start treating its community of established programmers/coders with respect and stop riding roughshod over its complaints and bug reports that have sat on record for donkey's ages without being addressed: or just "cut the crap" and stop mentioning the word "community" and all the rather fake attempts at cuddly-feely kissy-wissy stuff that isn't anything it is stated to be. Anybody with any sense of "smell" know that LiveCode have had to move from their "toney" offices up "there" to somewhere scaffy down "there", and the reason is they have buggered up their public relations. How come what is a wonderful language/ide/programming package that is ideal for High school kids is ONLY used in a few schools in Scotland and a few wierdos (self included) elsewhere? I contributed my "Widow's mite" to a LiveCode fundraiser and have seen that some of those promises have been entirely empty: so, why should I and many more, who have invested a lot of time and effort getting to know this language stump up anything further when we are treated with patrician disdain, total disregard for our suggestions, advice and so forth? And who, forbye, had the idea that Filemaker was so damned important that everything else had to be put on standby? After all, a trip to the Filemaker webpage tells us that (Wow! They've revived the name 'Claris'), this is a package used on Macintosh computers only: well "f*ck me with a shovel", who uses Macintosh? about 7% of computer users in what racists like to call "the civilised world." I develop a program called "Devawriter Pro" with LiveCode for Sanskritists to digitise Sanskrit: I make about $200 a year on it (something to do with being an ex-cult member): I have absolutely NO illusions about it: I'd make more selling my body round the docks in Aberdeen (might even have more fun). But, unlike LiveCode, I don't rely on Devawriter to stock my fridge, and I don't have delusions of grandeur about it being " Hari Nama, Hari Nama, Hari Nama, Kalyau, Kalyau, Kalyau nastyeva gatir anyataha" and kicking the pants out of all the other programming suites out there. A while back, Kevin Miller developed an innovative front-end to Metacard, and somewhere between that point and now someone or other seems to have badly lost the plot. On 3.10.19 16:31, Dan Brown via use-livecode wrote: I'm sure that LC HQ would have loved to solely preside over the language and a flourishing opensource and enterprise community that kept the lights on . Unfortunately that just hasn't happened since the kickstarter campaign. Without the LCFM lifeline I think they may have ceased to exist in the medium term. On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:08 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: poor comms don't make this better. one good thing about LCG was that we had bi-monthly updates. this year, no
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
Does anyone know if you fork the Community Edition of LiveCode, solve bugs (e.g. IDE-related, plugins etc.), compile the LC version again and integrate it to the Indy version? Or is this just not possible because of the closed source of the engine? On 03/10/2019, 18:16, "use-livecode on behalf of Mark Wieder via use-livecode" wrote: On 10/3/19 8:47 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote: >> All true. But will the idle state of LC ever change again? >> > > I believe that it will if LiveCode FM gets traction. I may be wrong. Additionally, the patch that Mark Waddingham just implemented related to the frozen pool (I am the walrus?) affecting debugging is encouraging. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
On 10/3/19 8:47 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote: All true. But will the idle state of LC ever change again? I believe that it will if LiveCode FM gets traction. I may be wrong. Additionally, the patch that Mark Waddingham just implemented related to the frozen pool (I am the walrus?) affecting debugging is encouraging. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
I agree with Trevor here, but I'd like to interject a bit. I have 2 reasons I declined to use the Filemaker model many years ago. One was that I could not code procedurally. Coding was done using graphic objects whose properties you had to open and edit, then save. Easy I suppose for a non-coder, but VERY time consuming, especially when you needed to find out where something was going wrong! Perhaps that has been addressed in Livecode for Filemaker. The other thing was it's licensing model. To have LOCAL USERS run a utility app I created, they each needed to purchase a license for Filemaker Client, or else I had to run Filemaker Server, again licensed per user. The cost of widespread distribution in house or commercially made it completely untenable for me. I'm not sure if licensing has been addressed. If not then I think we can expect Filemaker to maintain it's market position without too much future growth. Bob S > On Oct 3, 2019, at 08:47 , Trevor DeVore via use-livecode > wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 2:01 PM hh via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >>> Trevor D. wrote: >>> If that is the case and they can build that revenue source >>> then it should ultimately be a good thing for those of us >>> who don't use LiveCode FM. It is unfortunate that LC has >>> to sit mostly idle for so long though. >> >> All true. But will the idle state of LC ever change again? >> > > I believe that it will if LiveCode FM gets traction. I may be wrong. > > >> Filemaker is updating its features fast and so LiveCode will >> FOREVER try to reach their goal of supporting 99% of the FM >> features: "Version 1.2 of LCFM covers approximately 78% of >> the total FileMaker feature set" ... >> > > Creating a great product is a wonderful journey that can go on > indefinitely given the right variables. If LiveCode FM generates lots of > revenue then it will continue on. And hopefully fuel the development of the > underlying technology (LiveCode) that LiveCode FM is built on. > > -- > Trevor DeVore > ScreenSteps > www.screensteps.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 2:01 PM hh via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Trevor D. wrote: > > If that is the case and they can build that revenue source > > then it should ultimately be a good thing for those of us > > who don't use LiveCode FM. It is unfortunate that LC has > > to sit mostly idle for so long though. > > All true. But will the idle state of LC ever change again? > I believe that it will if LiveCode FM gets traction. I may be wrong. > Filemaker is updating its features fast and so LiveCode will > FOREVER try to reach their goal of supporting 99% of the FM > features: "Version 1.2 of LCFM covers approximately 78% of > the total FileMaker feature set" ... > Creating a great product is a wonderful journey that can go on indefinitely given the right variables. If LiveCode FM generates lots of revenue then it will continue on. And hopefully fuel the development of the underlying technology (LiveCode) that LiveCode FM is built on. -- Trevor DeVore ScreenSteps www.screensteps.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:56 AM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > I'm reading between the > lines but Trevor probably knows how well it's doing - but the rest of use > are being treated like mushrooms. > Hi Lagi, I do not have any additional information about how well the FM project or the company is doing. The last update I received was what others heard at the LiveCode Conference. My thoughts are based on what I think I would do if I was in their place. While I make my business decisions based on what LiveCode can do now (a wise senior engineer once counseled me not to base my business on what other companies *might* do), I am very interested in the company's health as the LiveCode platform affects my ability to deliver great software using LiveCode in the future. LiveCode is a very ambitious project. The number of platforms they are trying to support requires an enormous amount of planning, programming, and other resources to create, maintain, and improve. I am heavily invested in LiveCode as a platform so I want very much for the company to have healthy revenue streams. Based on what I've heard, the LiveCode FM product addresses a very important problem that companies are willing to pay recurring licensing fees to overcome. It is a wonderful thing when a company can find a large pool of customers that have a problem they are willing pay to them you to solve. So while I'm less enthusiastic about development on LiveCode slowing down right now, I support the company pursuing this opportunity. -- Trevor DeVore ScreenSteps www.screensteps.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
The code looks like Pascal. Variable typing, declaration and scoping. Not english like. Perhaps you missed the whole point of Livecode, and it's predecessors Hypercard, Supercard and Metacard. Livecode is the alternative to environments like Lazarus, great for someone with the time (and probably the training and experience) to program in a mid level language, but not for someone like me, who actually began to learn Pascal years ago, and gave it up when I realized how much time and effort it was going to take to learn, when all I ever wanted to do was cobble together some utility apps to help with my real job of managing information. Bob S > On Oct 3, 2019, at 07:36 , Dalton Calford via use-livecode > wrote: > > especially since I can use Lazarus to generate cross platform apps with a > fully open source tool set. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
Wow. I have the opposite experience. I think that t he LC Dev team is more responsive than any other I have ever experienced. I've been in IT for a really long time, and have dealt with a number of apps and dev environments. I've seen more feature developments in LC than all the rest combined. People should really lighten up on these devs. Most of the issues have workarounds, and frankly those issues should take a back seat to the really serious ones. I've been waiting for a good long while for the devs to implement a very simple fix in t he DG library to allow nested behaviors in datagrids. But I have a workaround I have to implement for each version I DL. It's no big deal. Bob S > On Oct 3, 2019, at 07:36 , Dalton Calford via use-livecode > wrote: > > I first bought livecode back in 2010, they had lots of hype and promises at > the time, most of the promises did not really start to arrive until the > open source kickstarter (such as version control). > I have tried to make sense of the code base, in order to add support for a > few things, such as native support for a new sql engine (firebird) but > between the products unstable UI (at least on linux) and the not-really > open source elements of the tool, stopped me from investigating it further, > especially since I can use Lazarus to generate cross platform apps with a > fully open source tool set. > I gave it one last try with the LC 9 release, but, the lack of development > and the split of support from 9 to 9.5 within months of my getting the > license, tells me that, as a developer, there is little reason for me to > try to learn the language. I know of many others who tried and walked > away from livecode, mostly due to the way they have managed it. > I have been watching for awhile since I was a fan of hypercard back in the > day, but, from the viewpoint of a wysiwyg design, cross platform, native > compile environment, livecode is not something I would recommend to anyone. > I have hopped that would change, but, after 9 years, nothing has really > changed. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
I first bought livecode back in 2010, they had lots of hype and promises at the time, most of the promises did not really start to arrive until the open source kickstarter (such as version control). I have tried to make sense of the code base, in order to add support for a few things, such as native support for a new sql engine (firebird) but between the products unstable UI (at least on linux) and the not-really open source elements of the tool, stopped me from investigating it further, especially since I can use Lazarus to generate cross platform apps with a fully open source tool set. I gave it one last try with the LC 9 release, but, the lack of development and the split of support from 9 to 9.5 within months of my getting the license, tells me that, as a developer, there is little reason for me to try to learn the language. I know of many others who tried and walked away from livecode, mostly due to the way they have managed it. I have been watching for awhile since I was a fan of hypercard back in the day, but, from the viewpoint of a wysiwyg design, cross platform, native compile environment, livecode is not something I would recommend to anyone. I have hopped that would change, but, after 9 years, nothing has really changed. On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 09:33, Dan Brown via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I'm sure that LC HQ would have loved to solely preside over the language > and a flourishing opensource and enterprise community that kept the lights > on . Unfortunately that just hasn't happened since the kickstarter > campaign. Without the LCFM lifeline I think they may have ceased to exist > in the medium term. > > > > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:08 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > poor comms don't make this better. one good thing about LCG was that we > > had bi-monthly updates. this year, no comms. > > i am less hopeful that the influx of new revenue will matter in the > medium > > term, because most of the effort will be on the requests that are tied to > > the new revenue. > > every time this has happened with any other tool we use here, we wait > with > > disappointment. then at any sign of effort, we get excited, and then we > > seep back into disappointment. > > it's feeling like it's time to back-burner LC, too. there is good energy > > from about 50 people, but the mother ship is doing a poor job of managing > > that energy. > > > > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 5:56 AM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode < > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > It doesn't take a Sherlock home to work out that if (I hope when!) > LCFM > > > works out that the company will have > > > an influx of "new blood" with the attendant large increase in yearly > > > subscriptions. > > > > > > My very short post (cut down from my usual rants) was lobbing a tiny > hand > > > grenade in to arena, and see if someone at LCHQ > > > bites and tells us something of consequence rather than "it's going > well" > > > or LC will be the better for all the new stuff they are working on. > > > > > > Surely if they have some extra money coming in they can have someone > > > working on finishing all the (paid for) promises and milestones. > > > (HH and Sean I feel your pain - HTML5 anyone?). I'm reading between > the > > > lines but Trevor probably knows how well it's doing - but the rest of > use > > > are being treated like mushrooms. > > > > > > "Soon" can be years rather than months and weeks - and typically is > > years. > > > For example Filemaker has a precision of 16 to 400 digits. So that MUST > > > have been coded for, will we get that retrofitted in the future . > > > I'm not asking because I need 400 digits but you never know. > > > > > > Filemaker has data binding and field Validation. > > > > > > > > > https://fmhelp.filemaker.com/help/16/fmp/en/#page/FMP_Help%2Ffield-validation.html%23 > > > > > > (I could do that in Clipper in 1985 with field masks). Yes I've rolled > my > > > own but their are things better done as a standard in an LC library. > > > > > > When is the IDE that still crashes at least 4 times a day whenever I > run > > > through more than 5 breakpoints in succession,going to get some love. > > > What about the Script Editor being SLOWER than molasses - 4 seconds > > between > > > key presses. > > > What about Sqlite engine/library, the 2D physics where we were told > there > > > was a working version over a year ago. The Sound on Linux. What about > the > > > raspberry PI version. I shouldn't need to go on. > > > > > > I want LCFM to work like the next guy but please tell us what is going > > on > > > and when. > > > > > > I'd rather base my decisions on facts rather than airy fairy words. > > > > > > Are more programmers coming on board or is LCFM the new shiny object? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for the Mr Angry tone , but I'm a little (make that very > irritated) > > > at the moment, as I just got
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
Lagi, taking Sherlock home is a bad idea. I took him home once. He started doing experiments on top of the kitchen table. The last straw was when he shot holes in the wall because he was bored. I said, "HOLMES! That's it! Get out now!" Bob S > On Oct 3, 2019, at 02:55 , Lagi Pittas via use-livecode > wrote: > > It doesn't take a Sherlock home to work out that if (I hope when!) LCFM > works out that the company will have > an influx of "new blood" with the attendant large increase in yearly > subscriptions. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
I'm sure that LC HQ would have loved to solely preside over the language and a flourishing opensource and enterprise community that kept the lights on . Unfortunately that just hasn't happened since the kickstarter campaign. Without the LCFM lifeline I think they may have ceased to exist in the medium term. On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:08 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > poor comms don't make this better. one good thing about LCG was that we > had bi-monthly updates. this year, no comms. > i am less hopeful that the influx of new revenue will matter in the medium > term, because most of the effort will be on the requests that are tied to > the new revenue. > every time this has happened with any other tool we use here, we wait with > disappointment. then at any sign of effort, we get excited, and then we > seep back into disappointment. > it's feeling like it's time to back-burner LC, too. there is good energy > from about 50 people, but the mother ship is doing a poor job of managing > that energy. > > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 5:56 AM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > Hi Tom, > > > > It doesn't take a Sherlock home to work out that if (I hope when!) LCFM > > works out that the company will have > > an influx of "new blood" with the attendant large increase in yearly > > subscriptions. > > > > My very short post (cut down from my usual rants) was lobbing a tiny hand > > grenade in to arena, and see if someone at LCHQ > > bites and tells us something of consequence rather than "it's going well" > > or LC will be the better for all the new stuff they are working on. > > > > Surely if they have some extra money coming in they can have someone > > working on finishing all the (paid for) promises and milestones. > > (HH and Sean I feel your pain - HTML5 anyone?). I'm reading between the > > lines but Trevor probably knows how well it's doing - but the rest of use > > are being treated like mushrooms. > > > > "Soon" can be years rather than months and weeks - and typically is > years. > > For example Filemaker has a precision of 16 to 400 digits. So that MUST > > have been coded for, will we get that retrofitted in the future . > > I'm not asking because I need 400 digits but you never know. > > > > Filemaker has data binding and field Validation. > > > > > https://fmhelp.filemaker.com/help/16/fmp/en/#page/FMP_Help%2Ffield-validation.html%23 > > > > (I could do that in Clipper in 1985 with field masks). Yes I've rolled my > > own but their are things better done as a standard in an LC library. > > > > When is the IDE that still crashes at least 4 times a day whenever I run > > through more than 5 breakpoints in succession,going to get some love. > > What about the Script Editor being SLOWER than molasses - 4 seconds > between > > key presses. > > What about Sqlite engine/library, the 2D physics where we were told there > > was a working version over a year ago. The Sound on Linux. What about the > > raspberry PI version. I shouldn't need to go on. > > > > I want LCFM to work like the next guy but please tell us what is going > on > > and when. > > > > I'd rather base my decisions on facts rather than airy fairy words. > > > > Are more programmers coming on board or is LCFM the new shiny object? > > > > > > > > Sorry for the Mr Angry tone , but I'm a little (make that very irritated) > > at the moment, as I just got off the phone to the Bank where the Zombie > > script reader who asked me 8 (countem EIGHT questions) to get me past > > security > > and I was only phoning up to ask why my Card Readers hadn't arrived. > > People can have £70,000 taken out of their accounts with just a sortcode, > > name and account number and I am asked for 8 pieces of information to ask > > where the card readers that were ordered nearly 3 weeks ago were!!! > > > > > > Regards Lagi > > > > p.s. > > > > Two Card readers turned up after my call. - Two more are on their way. > > Maybe if i look at downloads ther might be a version 10 Stable of > Livecode > > ;-) > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 23:25, Tom Glod via use-livecode < > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > We all need livecode the company to be stable and profitable, so if > they > > > have to temporarily focus on x to create long term viability, then they > > > should do it. Maybe just let everyone know what the plan isand > maybe > > on > > > a release with multiple bug fixes such as 9.05 is important to > prioritize > > > it a little bit. > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 3:17 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode < > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 10/2/19 11:24 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote: > > > > > > > > > I suspect that the quick updates to LiveCode FM are a sign that the > > > > launch > > > > > at the FileMaker conference generated a lot of interest and there > is > > > some > > > > > momentum building there.
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
poor comms don't make this better. one good thing about LCG was that we had bi-monthly updates. this year, no comms. i am less hopeful that the influx of new revenue will matter in the medium term, because most of the effort will be on the requests that are tied to the new revenue. every time this has happened with any other tool we use here, we wait with disappointment. then at any sign of effort, we get excited, and then we seep back into disappointment. it's feeling like it's time to back-burner LC, too. there is good energy from about 50 people, but the mother ship is doing a poor job of managing that energy. On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 5:56 AM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Hi Tom, > > It doesn't take a Sherlock home to work out that if (I hope when!) LCFM > works out that the company will have > an influx of "new blood" with the attendant large increase in yearly > subscriptions. > > My very short post (cut down from my usual rants) was lobbing a tiny hand > grenade in to arena, and see if someone at LCHQ > bites and tells us something of consequence rather than "it's going well" > or LC will be the better for all the new stuff they are working on. > > Surely if they have some extra money coming in they can have someone > working on finishing all the (paid for) promises and milestones. > (HH and Sean I feel your pain - HTML5 anyone?). I'm reading between the > lines but Trevor probably knows how well it's doing - but the rest of use > are being treated like mushrooms. > > "Soon" can be years rather than months and weeks - and typically is years. > For example Filemaker has a precision of 16 to 400 digits. So that MUST > have been coded for, will we get that retrofitted in the future . > I'm not asking because I need 400 digits but you never know. > > Filemaker has data binding and field Validation. > > https://fmhelp.filemaker.com/help/16/fmp/en/#page/FMP_Help%2Ffield-validation.html%23 > > (I could do that in Clipper in 1985 with field masks). Yes I've rolled my > own but their are things better done as a standard in an LC library. > > When is the IDE that still crashes at least 4 times a day whenever I run > through more than 5 breakpoints in succession,going to get some love. > What about the Script Editor being SLOWER than molasses - 4 seconds between > key presses. > What about Sqlite engine/library, the 2D physics where we were told there > was a working version over a year ago. The Sound on Linux. What about the > raspberry PI version. I shouldn't need to go on. > > I want LCFM to work like the next guy but please tell us what is going on > and when. > > I'd rather base my decisions on facts rather than airy fairy words. > > Are more programmers coming on board or is LCFM the new shiny object? > > > > Sorry for the Mr Angry tone , but I'm a little (make that very irritated) > at the moment, as I just got off the phone to the Bank where the Zombie > script reader who asked me 8 (countem EIGHT questions) to get me past > security > and I was only phoning up to ask why my Card Readers hadn't arrived. > People can have £70,000 taken out of their accounts with just a sortcode, > name and account number and I am asked for 8 pieces of information to ask > where the card readers that were ordered nearly 3 weeks ago were!!! > > > Regards Lagi > > p.s. > > Two Card readers turned up after my call. - Two more are on their way. > Maybe if i look at downloads ther might be a version 10 Stable of Livecode > ;-) > > > > On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 23:25, Tom Glod via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > We all need livecode the company to be stable and profitable, so if they > > have to temporarily focus on x to create long term viability, then they > > should do it. Maybe just let everyone know what the plan isand maybe > on > > a release with multiple bug fixes such as 9.05 is important to prioritize > > it a little bit. > > > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 3:17 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode < > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > On 10/2/19 11:24 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote: > > > > > > > I suspect that the quick updates to LiveCode FM are a sign that the > > > launch > > > > at the FileMaker conference generated a lot of interest and there is > > some > > > > momentum building there. Perhaps they are trying to quickly fill in > the > > > > gaps based on that interest so that they can close more licensing > > deals? > > > If > > > > that is the case and they can build that revenue source then it > should > > > > ultimately be a good thing for those of us who don't use LiveCode FM. > > It > > > is > > > > unfortunate that LC has to sit mostly idle for so long though. > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. There are currently some 200 or so pull requests waiting in the > > > queue for action. > > > > > > I'm encouraged by this: https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/7185 > > > > > > -- > > > Mark Wieder > > >
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
Hi Tom, It doesn't take a Sherlock home to work out that if (I hope when!) LCFM works out that the company will have an influx of "new blood" with the attendant large increase in yearly subscriptions. My very short post (cut down from my usual rants) was lobbing a tiny hand grenade in to arena, and see if someone at LCHQ bites and tells us something of consequence rather than "it's going well" or LC will be the better for all the new stuff they are working on. Surely if they have some extra money coming in they can have someone working on finishing all the (paid for) promises and milestones. (HH and Sean I feel your pain - HTML5 anyone?). I'm reading between the lines but Trevor probably knows how well it's doing - but the rest of use are being treated like mushrooms. "Soon" can be years rather than months and weeks - and typically is years. For example Filemaker has a precision of 16 to 400 digits. So that MUST have been coded for, will we get that retrofitted in the future . I'm not asking because I need 400 digits but you never know. Filemaker has data binding and field Validation. https://fmhelp.filemaker.com/help/16/fmp/en/#page/FMP_Help%2Ffield-validation.html%23 (I could do that in Clipper in 1985 with field masks). Yes I've rolled my own but their are things better done as a standard in an LC library. When is the IDE that still crashes at least 4 times a day whenever I run through more than 5 breakpoints in succession,going to get some love. What about the Script Editor being SLOWER than molasses - 4 seconds between key presses. What about Sqlite engine/library, the 2D physics where we were told there was a working version over a year ago. The Sound on Linux. What about the raspberry PI version. I shouldn't need to go on. I want LCFM to work like the next guy but please tell us what is going on and when. I'd rather base my decisions on facts rather than airy fairy words. Are more programmers coming on board or is LCFM the new shiny object? Sorry for the Mr Angry tone , but I'm a little (make that very irritated) at the moment, as I just got off the phone to the Bank where the Zombie script reader who asked me 8 (countem EIGHT questions) to get me past security and I was only phoning up to ask why my Card Readers hadn't arrived. People can have £70,000 taken out of their accounts with just a sortcode, name and account number and I am asked for 8 pieces of information to ask where the card readers that were ordered nearly 3 weeks ago were!!! Regards Lagi p.s. Two Card readers turned up after my call. - Two more are on their way. Maybe if i look at downloads ther might be a version 10 Stable of Livecode ;-) On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 23:25, Tom Glod via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > We all need livecode the company to be stable and profitable, so if they > have to temporarily focus on x to create long term viability, then they > should do it. Maybe just let everyone know what the plan isand maybe on > a release with multiple bug fixes such as 9.05 is important to prioritize > it a little bit. > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 3:17 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > On 10/2/19 11:24 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote: > > > > > I suspect that the quick updates to LiveCode FM are a sign that the > > launch > > > at the FileMaker conference generated a lot of interest and there is > some > > > momentum building there. Perhaps they are trying to quickly fill in the > > > gaps based on that interest so that they can close more licensing > deals? > > If > > > that is the case and they can build that revenue source then it should > > > ultimately be a good thing for those of us who don't use LiveCode FM. > It > > is > > > unfortunate that LC has to sit mostly idle for so long though. > > > > > > > Indeed. There are currently some 200 or so pull requests waiting in the > > queue for action. > > > > I'm encouraged by this: https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/7185 > > > > -- > > Mark Wieder > > ahsoftw...@gmail.com > > > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > -- > Tom Glod > Founder & Developer > MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) > Office:226-706-9339 > Mobile:226-706-9793 > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
We all need livecode the company to be stable and profitable, so if they have to temporarily focus on x to create long term viability, then they should do it. Maybe just let everyone know what the plan isand maybe on a release with multiple bug fixes such as 9.05 is important to prioritize it a little bit. On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 3:17 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > On 10/2/19 11:24 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote: > > > I suspect that the quick updates to LiveCode FM are a sign that the > launch > > at the FileMaker conference generated a lot of interest and there is some > > momentum building there. Perhaps they are trying to quickly fill in the > > gaps based on that interest so that they can close more licensing deals? > If > > that is the case and they can build that revenue source then it should > > ultimately be a good thing for those of us who don't use LiveCode FM. It > is > > unfortunate that LC has to sit mostly idle for so long though. > > > > Indeed. There are currently some 200 or so pull requests waiting in the > queue for action. > > I'm encouraged by this: https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/7185 > > -- > Mark Wieder > ahsoftw...@gmail.com > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Tom Glod Founder & Developer MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) Office:226-706-9339 Mobile:226-706-9793 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
On 10/2/19 11:24 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode wrote: I suspect that the quick updates to LiveCode FM are a sign that the launch at the FileMaker conference generated a lot of interest and there is some momentum building there. Perhaps they are trying to quickly fill in the gaps based on that interest so that they can close more licensing deals? If that is the case and they can build that revenue source then it should ultimately be a good thing for those of us who don't use LiveCode FM. It is unfortunate that LC has to sit mostly idle for so long though. Indeed. There are currently some 200 or so pull requests waiting in the queue for action. I'm encouraged by this: https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/7185 -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
> Trevor D. wrote: > If that is the case and they can build that revenue source > then it should ultimately be a good thing for those of us > who don't use LiveCode FM. It is unfortunate that LC has > to sit mostly idle for so long though. All true. But will the idle state of LC ever change again? Filemaker is updating its features fast and so LiveCode will FOREVER try to reach their goal of supporting 99% of the FM features: "Version 1.2 of LCFM covers approximately 78% of the total FileMaker feature set" ... ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 1:09 PM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Have a look at the 3 releases of Livecode for FM in the last month to see > where all the effort is going this is now getting > ridiculous we get a few scraps ... Nuff said. > > https://filemaker.livecode.com/lcfm-native-1-2-launched/ > https://filemaker.livecode.com/lcfm-native-1-1-ships/ > https://filemaker.livecode.com/lcfm-native-1-0-launched/ I suspect that the quick updates to LiveCode FM are a sign that the launch at the FileMaker conference generated a lot of interest and there is some momentum building there. Perhaps they are trying to quickly fill in the gaps based on that interest so that they can close more licensing deals? If that is the case and they can build that revenue source then it should ultimately be a good thing for those of us who don't use LiveCode FM. It is unfortunate that LC has to sit mostly idle for so long though. -- Trevor DeVore ScreenSteps www.screensteps.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
Have a look at the 3 releases of Livecode for FM in the last month to see where all the effort is going this is now getting ridiculous we get a few scraps ... Nuff said. https://filemaker.livecode.com/lcfm-native-1-2-launched/ https://filemaker.livecode.com/lcfm-native-1-1-ships/ https://filemaker.livecode.com/lcfm-native-1-0-launched/ Lagi On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 19:03, Tom Glod via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > yeah its an odd gap of time...especially for a release with so many > vital fixes. I hope someone takes the time to let us know. Its usually > 2-3 months between stableswe are at 4 + on this one. > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 1:24 PM Klaus major-k via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > Hi Tom > > > > > Am 02.10.2019 um 19:17 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode < > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>: > > > > > > I dunno if thats what you are talking about ...but i'm waiting for 9.05 > > > stable...wondering when thats scheduled to arrive. > > > > yep, that's what I was talking about, but unfortunately forgot the IRONY > > tags! 8-) > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 1:10 PM Klaus major-k via use-livecode < > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Panos, > > >> > > >> BTW, obviously LC 9.05 did not make it through the summer, right? 8-) > > > > Best > > > > Klaus > > > > -- > > Klaus Major > > https://www.major-k.de > > kl...@major-k.de > > > > > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > -- > Tom Glod > Founder & Developer > MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) > Office:226-706-9339 > Mobile:226-706-9793 > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
yeah its an odd gap of time...especially for a release with so many vital fixes. I hope someone takes the time to let us know. Its usually 2-3 months between stableswe are at 4 + on this one. On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 1:24 PM Klaus major-k via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Hi Tom > > > Am 02.10.2019 um 19:17 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>: > > > > I dunno if thats what you are talking about ...but i'm waiting for 9.05 > > stable...wondering when thats scheduled to arrive. > > yep, that's what I was talking about, but unfortunately forgot the IRONY > tags! 8-) > > > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 1:10 PM Klaus major-k via use-livecode < > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi Panos, > >> > >> BTW, obviously LC 9.05 did not make it through the summer, right? 8-) > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > https://www.major-k.de > kl...@major-k.de > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Tom Glod Founder & Developer MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) Office:226-706-9339 Mobile:226-706-9793 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
Hi Tom > Am 02.10.2019 um 19:17 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode > : > > I dunno if thats what you are talking about ...but i'm waiting for 9.05 > stable...wondering when thats scheduled to arrive. yep, that's what I was talking about, but unfortunately forgot the IRONY tags! 8-) > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 1:10 PM Klaus major-k via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> Hi Panos, >> >> BTW, obviously LC 9.05 did not make it through the summer, right? 8-) Best Klaus -- Klaus Major https://www.major-k.de kl...@major-k.de ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now?
I dunno if thats what you are talking about ...but i'm waiting for 9.05 stable...wondering when thats scheduled to arrive. On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 1:10 PM Klaus major-k via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Hi Panos, > > BTW, obviously LC 9.05 did not make it through the summer, right? 8-) > > > Best > > Klaus > -- > Klaus Major > https://www.major-k.de > kl...@major-k.de > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Tom Glod Founder & Developer MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) Office:226-706-9339 Mobile:226-706-9793 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
...and Livecode... where are we now?
Hi Panos, BTW, obviously LC 9.05 did not make it through the summer, right? 8-) Best Klaus -- Klaus Major https://www.major-k.de kl...@major-k.de ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now?
Ralph, BTW the rule of thumb is that we keep supporting the latest Xcode that can be installed in each MacOS version. Kind regards Panos On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, 20:04 panagiotis merakos wrote: > Ok so you should be OK using Xcode 10.1 in LC 9.5.1 rc-1 :) > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, 20:03 Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> Panos, >> >> >> >> Thanks. I am running High Sierra 10.13.6. Unfortunately Apple has >> discontinued support for my Mac Book Pro. >> >> >> >> Ralph DiMola >> >> IT Director >> >> Evergreen Information Services >> >> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net >> >> >> >> From: panagiotis merakos [mailto:merak...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2019 12:54 PM >> To: How to use LiveCode >> Cc: Ralph DiMola >> Subject: Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now? >> >> >> >> Hello Ralph, >> >> >> >> In the next release (9.5.1 rc-1), we will add support for Xcode 11.1 if >> your Mac runs MacOS Mojave (10.14) or above. If your Mac runs High Sierra >> (10.13.x), you will still be able to use Xcode 10.1 >> >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> Panos >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, 19:51 Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> Panos, >> >> Will I still be able to use Xcode 10.1 with the next LC release? I asked >> Mark about this at the conference and said that I would be OK until Apple >> discontinued support of 12.1 SDK >> >> Thanks >> >> Ralph DiMola >> IT Director >> Evergreen Information Services >> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net >> >> -Original Message- >> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On >> Behalf Of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode >> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 4:53 PM >> To: Erik Beugelaar >> Cc: panagiotis merakos; How to use LiveCode >> Subject: Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now? >> >> Hello Erik, >> >> Sure :) >> >> For 10.14.x MacOS version, it applies the same: >> >> LiveCode 9.5.0 / Xcode 10.1 / Mac OS 10.14.x / iOS 12.1 >> >> Note this will change in the next LC release, as we are now adding >> support for building with Xcode 11.1 / iOS 13.1 SDK >> >> BTW the entries for LC 9.5.0 and Xcode 10.1 should say "Mac OS 10.13.6+" >> instead of "Mac OS 10.13.4+". >> >> Kind regards, >> Panos >> -- >> >> On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 23:43, Erik Beugelaar wrote: >> >> > Hello Panos, >> > >> > Maybe an idea to update the list on >> > https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/ supporting 10.14.x macOS >> > versions? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Erik >> > >> > >> > >> > *From: *panagiotis merakos >> > *Date: *Monday, 30 September 2019 at 20:06 >> > *To: *How to use LiveCode >> > *Cc: *Erik Beugelaar >> > *Subject: *Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now? >> > >> > >> > >> > Hello all, >> > >> > >> > >> > For this combination you need Xcode 10.1. >> > >> > >> > >> > Kind regards, >> > >> > Panos >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 19:49 Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode < >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> > >> > Dan, I assume Xcode 10.2.1 according >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xcode#Xcode_7.0_-_9.x_.28since_Free_On-D >> > evice_Development.29 >> > >> > Cheers, Erik >> > >> > On 30/09/2019, 18:14, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via >> > use-livecode" > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> > >> > Good Morning! I have LiveCode 9.5.0 and MacOS 10.14.6. What >> > version of Xcode do I need for iOS and macOS development? >> > >> > That's in advance! >> > -Dan >> > >> > ___ >> > use-livecode mailing list >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> > subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/li
Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now?
Ok so you should be OK using Xcode 10.1 in LC 9.5.1 rc-1 :) On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, 20:03 Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Panos, > > > > Thanks. I am running High Sierra 10.13.6. Unfortunately Apple has > discontinued support for my Mac Book Pro. > > > > Ralph DiMola > > IT Director > > Evergreen Information Services > > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net > > > > From: panagiotis merakos [mailto:merak...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2019 12:54 PM > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: Ralph DiMola > Subject: Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now? > > > > Hello Ralph, > > > > In the next release (9.5.1 rc-1), we will add support for Xcode 11.1 if > your Mac runs MacOS Mojave (10.14) or above. If your Mac runs High Sierra > (10.13.x), you will still be able to use Xcode 10.1 > > > > Kind regards > > Panos > > > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, 19:51 Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Panos, > > Will I still be able to use Xcode 10.1 with the next LC release? I asked > Mark about this at the conference and said that I would be OK until Apple > discontinued support of 12.1 SDK > > Thanks > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net > > -Original Message- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On > Behalf Of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 4:53 PM > To: Erik Beugelaar > Cc: panagiotis merakos; How to use LiveCode > Subject: Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now? > > Hello Erik, > > Sure :) > > For 10.14.x MacOS version, it applies the same: > > LiveCode 9.5.0 / Xcode 10.1 / Mac OS 10.14.x / iOS 12.1 > > Note this will change in the next LC release, as we are now adding support > for building with Xcode 11.1 / iOS 13.1 SDK > > BTW the entries for LC 9.5.0 and Xcode 10.1 should say "Mac OS 10.13.6+" > instead of "Mac OS 10.13.4+". > > Kind regards, > Panos > -- > > On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 23:43, Erik Beugelaar wrote: > > > Hello Panos, > > > > Maybe an idea to update the list on > > https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/ supporting 10.14.x macOS > > versions? > > > > Regards, > > > > Erik > > > > > > > > *From: *panagiotis merakos > > *Date: *Monday, 30 September 2019 at 20:06 > > *To: *How to use LiveCode > > *Cc: *Erik Beugelaar > > *Subject: *Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now? > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > For this combination you need Xcode 10.1. > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Panos > > > > -- > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 19:49 Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode < > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > Dan, I assume Xcode 10.2.1 according > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xcode#Xcode_7.0_-_9.x_.28since_Free_On-D > > evice_Development.29 > > > > Cheers, Erik > > > > On 30/09/2019, 18:14, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via > > use-livecode" > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > Good Morning! I have LiveCode 9.5.0 and MacOS 10.14.6. What > > version of Xcode do I need for iOS and macOS development? > > > > That's in advance! > > -Dan > > > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now?
Panos, Thanks. I am running High Sierra 10.13.6. Unfortunately Apple has discontinued support for my Mac Book Pro. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net From: panagiotis merakos [mailto:merak...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2019 12:54 PM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Ralph DiMola Subject: Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now? Hello Ralph, In the next release (9.5.1 rc-1), we will add support for Xcode 11.1 if your Mac runs MacOS Mojave (10.14) or above. If your Mac runs High Sierra (10.13.x), you will still be able to use Xcode 10.1 Kind regards Panos On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, 19:51 Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote: Panos, Will I still be able to use Xcode 10.1 with the next LC release? I asked Mark about this at the conference and said that I would be OK until Apple discontinued support of 12.1 SDK Thanks Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 4:53 PM To: Erik Beugelaar Cc: panagiotis merakos; How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now? Hello Erik, Sure :) For 10.14.x MacOS version, it applies the same: LiveCode 9.5.0 / Xcode 10.1 / Mac OS 10.14.x / iOS 12.1 Note this will change in the next LC release, as we are now adding support for building with Xcode 11.1 / iOS 13.1 SDK BTW the entries for LC 9.5.0 and Xcode 10.1 should say "Mac OS 10.13.6+" instead of "Mac OS 10.13.4+". Kind regards, Panos -- On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 23:43, Erik Beugelaar wrote: > Hello Panos, > > Maybe an idea to update the list on > https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/ supporting 10.14.x macOS > versions? > > Regards, > > Erik > > > > *From: *panagiotis merakos > *Date: *Monday, 30 September 2019 at 20:06 > *To: *How to use LiveCode > *Cc: *Erik Beugelaar > *Subject: *Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now? > > > > Hello all, > > > > For this combination you need Xcode 10.1. > > > > Kind regards, > > Panos > > -- > > > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 19:49 Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Dan, I assume Xcode 10.2.1 according > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xcode#Xcode_7.0_-_9.x_.28since_Free_On-D > evice_Development.29 > > Cheers, Erik > > On 30/09/2019, 18:14, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via > use-livecode" use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Good Morning! I have LiveCode 9.5.0 and MacOS 10.14.6. What > version of Xcode do I need for iOS and macOS development? > > That's in advance! > -Dan > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now?
Hello Ralph, In the next release (9.5.1 rc-1), we will add support for Xcode 11.1 if your Mac runs MacOS Mojave (10.14) or above. If your Mac runs High Sierra (10.13.x), you will still be able to use Xcode 10.1 Kind regards Panos On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, 19:51 Ralph DiMola via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Panos, > > Will I still be able to use Xcode 10.1 with the next LC release? I asked > Mark about this at the conference and said that I would be OK until Apple > discontinued support of 12.1 SDK > > Thanks > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net > > -Original Message- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On > Behalf Of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 4:53 PM > To: Erik Beugelaar > Cc: panagiotis merakos; How to use LiveCode > Subject: Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now? > > Hello Erik, > > Sure :) > > For 10.14.x MacOS version, it applies the same: > > LiveCode 9.5.0 / Xcode 10.1 / Mac OS 10.14.x / iOS 12.1 > > Note this will change in the next LC release, as we are now adding support > for building with Xcode 11.1 / iOS 13.1 SDK > > BTW the entries for LC 9.5.0 and Xcode 10.1 should say "Mac OS 10.13.6+" > instead of "Mac OS 10.13.4+". > > Kind regards, > Panos > -- > > On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 23:43, Erik Beugelaar wrote: > > > Hello Panos, > > > > Maybe an idea to update the list on > > https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/ supporting 10.14.x macOS > > versions? > > > > Regards, > > > > Erik > > > > > > > > *From: *panagiotis merakos > > *Date: *Monday, 30 September 2019 at 20:06 > > *To: *How to use LiveCode > > *Cc: *Erik Beugelaar > > *Subject: *Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now? > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > For this combination you need Xcode 10.1. > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Panos > > > > -- > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 19:49 Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode < > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > Dan, I assume Xcode 10.2.1 according > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xcode#Xcode_7.0_-_9.x_.28since_Free_On-D > > evice_Development.29 > > > > Cheers, Erik > > > > On 30/09/2019, 18:14, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via > > use-livecode" > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > Good Morning! I have LiveCode 9.5.0 and MacOS 10.14.6. What > > version of Xcode do I need for iOS and macOS development? > > > > That's in advance! > > -Dan > > > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now?
Panos, Will I still be able to use Xcode 10.1 with the next LC release? I asked Mark about this at the conference and said that I would be OK until Apple discontinued support of 12.1 SDK Thanks Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 4:53 PM To: Erik Beugelaar Cc: panagiotis merakos; How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now? Hello Erik, Sure :) For 10.14.x MacOS version, it applies the same: LiveCode 9.5.0 / Xcode 10.1 / Mac OS 10.14.x / iOS 12.1 Note this will change in the next LC release, as we are now adding support for building with Xcode 11.1 / iOS 13.1 SDK BTW the entries for LC 9.5.0 and Xcode 10.1 should say "Mac OS 10.13.6+" instead of "Mac OS 10.13.4+". Kind regards, Panos -- On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 23:43, Erik Beugelaar wrote: > Hello Panos, > > Maybe an idea to update the list on > https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/ supporting 10.14.x macOS > versions? > > Regards, > > Erik > > > > *From: *panagiotis merakos > *Date: *Monday, 30 September 2019 at 20:06 > *To: *How to use LiveCode > *Cc: *Erik Beugelaar > *Subject: *Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now? > > > > Hello all, > > > > For this combination you need Xcode 10.1. > > > > Kind regards, > > Panos > > -- > > > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 19:49 Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Dan, I assume Xcode 10.2.1 according > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xcode#Xcode_7.0_-_9.x_.28since_Free_On-D > evice_Development.29 > > Cheers, Erik > > On 30/09/2019, 18:14, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via > use-livecode" use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Good Morning! I have LiveCode 9.5.0 and MacOS 10.14.6. What > version of Xcode do I need for iOS and macOS development? > > That's in advance! > -Dan > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now?
Hello Erik, Sure :) For 10.14.x MacOS version, it applies the same: LiveCode 9.5.0 / Xcode 10.1 / Mac OS 10.14.x / iOS 12.1 Note this will change in the next LC release, as we are now adding support for building with Xcode 11.1 / iOS 13.1 SDK BTW the entries for LC 9.5.0 and Xcode 10.1 should say "Mac OS 10.13.6+" instead of "Mac OS 10.13.4+". Kind regards, Panos -- On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 23:43, Erik Beugelaar wrote: > Hello Panos, > > Maybe an idea to update the list on > https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/ supporting 10.14.x macOS > versions? > > Regards, > > Erik > > > > *From: *panagiotis merakos > *Date: *Monday, 30 September 2019 at 20:06 > *To: *How to use LiveCode > *Cc: *Erik Beugelaar > *Subject: *Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now? > > > > Hello all, > > > > For this combination you need Xcode 10.1. > > > > Kind regards, > > Panos > > -- > > > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 19:49 Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Dan, I assume Xcode 10.2.1 according > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xcode#Xcode_7.0_-_9.x_.28since_Free_On-Device_Development.29 > > Cheers, Erik > > On 30/09/2019, 18:14, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via > use-livecode" use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Good Morning! I have LiveCode 9.5.0 and MacOS 10.14.6. What > version of Xcode do I need for iOS and macOS development? > > That's in advance! > -Dan > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now?
Hello Panos, Maybe an idea to update the list on https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/ supporting 10.14.x macOS versions? Regards, Erik From: panagiotis merakos Date: Monday, 30 September 2019 at 20:06 To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Erik Beugelaar Subject: Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now? Hello all, For this combination you need Xcode 10.1. Kind regards, Panos -- On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 19:49 Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode wrote: Dan, I assume Xcode 10.2.1 according https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xcode#Xcode_7.0_-_9.x_.28since_Free_On-Device_Development.29 Cheers, Erik On 30/09/2019, 18:14, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via use-livecode" wrote: Good Morning! I have LiveCode 9.5.0 and MacOS 10.14.6. What version of Xcode do I need for iOS and macOS development? That's in advance! -Dan ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now?
Hello all, For this combination you need Xcode 10.1. Kind regards, Panos -- On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 19:49 Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Dan, I assume Xcode 10.2.1 according > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xcode#Xcode_7.0_-_9.x_.28since_Free_On-Device_Development.29 > > Cheers, Erik > > On 30/09/2019, 18:14, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via > use-livecode" use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Good Morning! I have LiveCode 9.5.0 and MacOS 10.14.6. What > version of Xcode do I need for iOS and macOS development? > > That's in advance! > -Dan > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now?
Dan, I assume Xcode 10.2.1 according https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xcode#Xcode_7.0_-_9.x_.28since_Free_On-Device_Development.29 Cheers, Erik On 30/09/2019, 18:14, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via use-livecode" wrote: Good Morning! I have LiveCode 9.5.0 and MacOS 10.14.6. What version of Xcode do I need for iOS and macOS development? That's in advance! -Dan ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
So... Xcode, macOS and Livecode... where are we now?
Good Morning! I have LiveCode 9.5.0 and MacOS 10.14.6. What version of Xcode do I need for iOS and macOS development? That's in advance! -Dan ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
