Re: HTML5 product

[Monte Goulding]

> On 6 Nov 2015, at 7:10 am, Peter TB Brett  wrote:
> 
> Yes! There's a discussion & examples here on the forums:
> 
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=25345 
> 
Interesting. So is there any plans for the company to host the files? I see you 
can add stuff to cdnjs by sending them a PR. That might be a good option.
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Re: HTML5 product

[Peter TB Brett]

On 05/11/2015 20:03, Monte Goulding wrote:



On 6 Nov 2015, at 6:50 am, Peter TB Brett  wrote:

* The LiveCode engine, compiled to a (large) JavaScript file.  This is the same 
for every standalone created with a particular version of LiveCode

* A special ".html.mem" file that's used for engine initialisation. This is 
also the same for every standalone.


Peter I haven’t looked at this for a while. Will we have the option of 
delivering these two files from a common LiveCode server (or better yet using 
something like cloudfront) so that users can cache the engine once for multiple 
apps from multiple developers or is that not going to work?


Yes! There's a discussion & examples here on the forums:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=25345

  Peter

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Re: HTML5 product

[Monte Goulding]

> On 6 Nov 2015, at 6:50 am, Peter TB Brett  wrote:
> 
> * The LiveCode engine, compiled to a (large) JavaScript file.  This is the 
> same for every standalone created with a particular version of LiveCode
> 
> * A special ".html.mem" file that's used for engine initialisation. This is 
> also the same for every standalone.

Peter I haven’t looked at this for a while. Will we have the option of 
delivering these two files from a common LiveCode server (or better yet using 
something like cloudfront) so that users can cache the engine once for multiple 
apps from multiple developers or is that not going to work?

Cheers

Monte
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Re: HTML5 product

[Peter TB Brett]

On 05/11/2015 18:36, j...@souslelogo.com wrote:



HTML5 support in community and commercial is identical, except that you
can't make closed-source apps with the community edition.


just curious, what does that mean exactly ?
does the " closed-source apps" thing concern only regular standalones, or
does it also concern the HTML5 code with js obfuscation ?


The "HTML5 standalone" is actually 4 files:

* An HTML page

* The LiveCode engine, compiled to a (large) JavaScript file.  This is 
the same for every standalone created with a particular version of LiveCode


* A special ".html.mem" file that's used for engine initialisation. 
This is also the same for every standalone.


* A zip file, which contains the stacks, resources, fonts, etc. that 
make up your app.  This is the thing that's made by the standalone builder.


If you use the community edition, the zip file with your app in it can 
be downloaded by anyone who views the web page.  They can open it and 
play around with your app using the LiveCode IDE.


If you use the commercial edition, you have the option of encrypting 
your LiveCode stack files so that no-one can look at your code, even if 
they download and unpack the standalone's zip file.


   Peter


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Re: HTML5 product

[Matt Maier]

It means the license for community forbids you from applying a
closed-source license to the standalones you compile using the community
IDE.

Since you didn't pay for the community IDE, you can do whatever you want
open source. If you want to close the source of your work you need to buy a
commercial license.
On Nov 5, 2015 10:36,  wrote:

>
> > HTML5 support in community and commercial is identical, except that you
> > can't make closed-source apps with the community edition.
>
> just curious, what does that mean exactly ?
> does the " closed-source apps" thing concern only regular standalones, or
> does it also concern the HTML5 code with js obfuscation ?
> Thanks
> jbv
>
>
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Re: HTML5 product

[jbv]

> HTML5 support in community and commercial is identical, except that you
> can't make closed-source apps with the community edition.

just curious, what does that mean exactly ?
does the " closed-source apps" thing concern only regular standalones, or
does it also concern the HTML5 code with js obfuscation ?
Thanks
jbv


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Re: HTML5 product

[Glen Bojsza]

Thanks Peter,

Your response and details (which are really nice pointers : helpful) make
me feel comfortable enough to go ahead and purchase it.

regards,

Glen

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Peter TB Brett 
wrote:

> On 05/11/2015 15:30, Glen Bojsza wrote:
>
>> I was wondering if anyone knows the current state of the HTML5 product
>> that
>> is being sold.
>>
>
> I do!  I am the lead developer in the core dev team for the HTML5 platform.
>
> My concern is that if I buy a 1 year license and it needs so many releases
>> before it is developed well enough to deploy than am I buying too early?
>>
>
> People are already deploying apps to HTML5, so arguably it *is* "developed
> well enough to deploy"!  On the other hand, it may not have everything that
> *you* need for *your* app working yet.  I suggest trying it out and seeing
> what you think.
>
> When the product site has "Are there limitations to HTML5 deployment?" then
>> this seems to be a red flag to me...is there a list of the limitations? Is
>> datagrid supported?
>>
>
> Firstly: yes, the datagrid is supported.
>
> There's an "HTML5 Deployment" guide included with the IDE in all editions,
> and it describes the current things that work (and don't work).  You can
> also read it online here:
>
>
>
> https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/blob/develop/Documentation/guides/HTML5%20Deployment.md
>
> Needless to say, there are limitations.  You can look at the current bugs
> filed against HTML5 on the bug tracker:
>
> http://goo.gl/exZYQ3
>
> Also, here are my own personal notes [1] about the current state of HTML5
> platform support and things I think we should work on:
>
> https://gist.github.com/peter-b/0bb57cc2fe2f065b00f6
>
> Is HTML5 part of the community code base or is it only commercial? I
>> remember that you could only try HTML5 with the community version of LC so
>> can I assume that it is part of the community version still?
>>
>
> HTML5 support in community and commercial is identical, except that you
> can't make closed-source apps with the community edition.
>
> Can anyone share their current recent experiences with HTML5 so I can make
>> a better decision.
>>
>
> The HTML5 section of the forums has lots of examples that might help you
> out:
>
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=120
>
> Hermann in particular has a bunch of really impressive demos:
>
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=25210
>
> From my perspective, the feedback I've received so far has been very
> positive.
>
>   Peter
>
> [1] Standard disclaimers: if it's on this list, it doesn't mean it will be
> done; if it's not on the list, it doesn't mean it won't be done; this list
> is not expected to be kept up-to-date or even to continue to exist.
>
> --
> Dr Peter Brett 
> LiveCode Open Source Team
>
> LiveCode on reddit: https://reddit.com/r/livecode
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Re: HTML5 product

[Bob Sneidar]

Suddenly, I am keenly aware of the certainty of my own mortality.  ;-)

Bob S


On Nov 5, 2015, at 07:46 , Peter TB Brett 
mailto:peter.br...@livecode.com>> wrote:

[1] Standard disclaimers: if it's on this list, it doesn't mean it will be 
done; if it's not on the list, it doesn't mean it won't be done; this list is 
not expected to be kept up-to-date or even to continue to exist.

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Re: HTML5 product

[Peter TB Brett]

On 05/11/2015 15:30, Glen Bojsza wrote:

I was wondering if anyone knows the current state of the HTML5 product that
is being sold.


I do!  I am the lead developer in the core dev team for the HTML5 platform.


My concern is that if I buy a 1 year license and it needs so many releases
before it is developed well enough to deploy than am I buying too early?


People are already deploying apps to HTML5, so arguably it *is* 
"developed well enough to deploy"!  On the other hand, it may not have 
everything that *you* need for *your* app working yet.  I suggest trying 
it out and seeing what you think.



When the product site has "Are there limitations to HTML5 deployment?" then
this seems to be a red flag to me...is there a list of the limitations? Is
datagrid supported?


Firstly: yes, the datagrid is supported.

There's an "HTML5 Deployment" guide included with the IDE in all 
editions, and it describes the current things that work (and don't 
work).  You can also read it online here:



https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/blob/develop/Documentation/guides/HTML5%20Deployment.md

Needless to say, there are limitations.  You can look at the current 
bugs filed against HTML5 on the bug tracker:


http://goo.gl/exZYQ3

Also, here are my own personal notes [1] about the current state of 
HTML5 platform support and things I think we should work on:


https://gist.github.com/peter-b/0bb57cc2fe2f065b00f6


Is HTML5 part of the community code base or is it only commercial? I
remember that you could only try HTML5 with the community version of LC so
can I assume that it is part of the community version still?


HTML5 support in community and commercial is identical, except that you 
can't make closed-source apps with the community edition.



Can anyone share their current recent experiences with HTML5 so I can make
a better decision.


The HTML5 section of the forums has lots of examples that might help you 
out:


http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=120

Hermann in particular has a bunch of really impressive demos:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=25210

From my perspective, the feedback I've received so far has been very 
positive.


  Peter

[1] Standard disclaimers: if it's on this list, it doesn't mean it will 
be done; if it's not on the list, it doesn't mean it won't be done; this 
list is not expected to be kept up-to-date or even to continue to exist.


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LiveCode Open Source Team

LiveCode on reddit: https://reddit.com/r/livecode

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HTML5 product

[Glen Bojsza]

I was wondering if anyone knows the current state of the HTML5 product that
is being sold.

My concern is that if I buy a 1 year license and it needs so many releases
before it is developed well enough to deploy than am I buying too early?

When the product site has "Are there limitations to HTML5 deployment?" then
this seems to be a red flag to me...is there a list of the limitations? Is
datagrid supported?

Is HTML5 part of the community code base or is it only commercial? I
remember that you could only try HTML5 with the community version of LC so
can I assume that it is part of the community version still?

Can anyone share their current recent experiences with HTML5 so I can make
a better decision.

thanks,

Glen
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