Re: LiveCode and Yosemite (re: Screen Flashing)

[Roger Guay]

Hey Devin,

Looks like updating to El Capitan solved my problems with screen flashing . . . 
as I suspected. Let the good times roll!!

Cheers,

Roger



> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Devin Asay  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Roger. I’ve added my comments to the bug report. It might get more 
> attention if you changed the version to 7.0.6 or even the latest 7.1 RC, 
> assuming the bug still appears there.
> 
> Devin
> 
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Roger Guay  wrote:
>> 
>> I filed a bug report #14036 with this sample stack soon after the release of 
>> Yosemite:
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/48f5ietxwrm681f/BugReport.livecode?dl=0 
>> 
>> 
>> It was acknowledged as having been received, but no action on it AFAIK. 
>> Moreover, the last time I looked, I could not find 14036 in the queue.
>> 
>> Good luck!! I’m hoping that the upcoming OS X will solve the problem. 
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 8:35 AM, Devin Asay  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Roger and Peter,
>>> 
>>> Yes, and since I posted my original question I’ve been noticing flickering 
>>> in Yosemite in similar circumstances. I’ll try to develop a recipe and 
>>> submit a bug report. In the meantime, if anyone beats me to it, post the 
>>> bug report number back here and I’ll add a comment.
>>> 
>>> Devin
>>> 
 On Sep 10, 2015, at 9:52 PM, Peter Bogdanoff  wrote:
 
 I see something similar in LC 7, including 7.1 dp 2, in IDE.
 
 I see flickering as the mouse moves over a field which sets the background 
 color of the line:
 
 on mouseMove
 if the mouseLine is not empty then
   set the backgroundColor of the mouseLine() to 235,231,237
 end if
 end mouseMove
 
 
 Peter Bogdanoff
 UCLA
 
 
 
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Roger Guay  wrote:
> 
> I and a few others have seen this problem since the release of 
> Yosemite.And, there’s been no improvement with any of the stable releases 
> of LC.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Roger
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2015, at 10:36 AM, Devin Asay  wrote:
>> 
>> - I see screen flickering during the execution of visual effects or on 
>> buttons with various icon image states. For example on a button that has 
>> a “resting” icon and a hover icon there is some screen flickering on the 
>> button when I move my mouse cursor to it.
> 
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Re: LiveCode and Yosemite

[Roger Guay]

I filed a bug report #14036 with this sample stack soon after the release of 
Yosemite:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/48f5ietxwrm681f/BugReport.livecode?dl=0 


It was acknowledged as having been received, but no action on it AFAIK. 
Moreover, the last time I looked, I could not find 14036 in the queue.

Good luck!! I’m hoping that the upcoming OS X will solve the problem. 

Thanks, 

Roger




> On Sep 15, 2015, at 8:35 AM, Devin Asay  wrote:
> 
> Roger and Peter,
> 
> Yes, and since I posted my original question I’ve been noticing flickering in 
> Yosemite in similar circumstances. I’ll try to develop a recipe and submit a 
> bug report. In the meantime, if anyone beats me to it, post the bug report 
> number back here and I’ll add a comment.
> 
> Devin
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2015, at 9:52 PM, Peter Bogdanoff  wrote:
>> 
>> I see something similar in LC 7, including 7.1 dp 2, in IDE.
>> 
>> I see flickering as the mouse moves over a field which sets the background 
>> color of the line:
>> 
>> on mouseMove
>>  if the mouseLine is not empty then
>> set the backgroundColor of the mouseLine() to 235,231,237
>>  end if
>> end mouseMove
>> 
>> 
>> Peter Bogdanoff
>> UCLA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Roger Guay  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I and a few others have seen this problem since the release of 
>>> Yosemite.And, there’s been no improvement with any of the stable releases 
>>> of LC.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
 On Sep 10, 2015, at 10:36 AM, Devin Asay  wrote:
 
 - I see screen flickering during the execution of visual effects or on 
 buttons with various icon image states. For example on a button that has a 
 “resting” icon and a hover icon there is some screen flickering on the 
 button when I move my mouse cursor to it.
>>> 
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Re: LiveCode and Yosemite

[Devin Asay]

Thanks, Roger. I’ve added my comments to the bug report. It might get more 
attention if you changed the version to 7.0.6 or even the latest 7.1 RC, 
assuming the bug still appears there.

Devin


> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Roger Guay  wrote:
> 
> I filed a bug report #14036 with this sample stack soon after the release of 
> Yosemite:
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/48f5ietxwrm681f/BugReport.livecode?dl=0 
> 
> 
> It was acknowledged as having been received, but no action on it AFAIK. 
> Moreover, the last time I looked, I could not find 14036 in the queue.
> 
> Good luck!! I’m hoping that the upcoming OS X will solve the problem. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Roger
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 8:35 AM, Devin Asay  wrote:
>> 
>> Roger and Peter,
>> 
>> Yes, and since I posted my original question I’ve been noticing flickering 
>> in Yosemite in similar circumstances. I’ll try to develop a recipe and 
>> submit a bug report. In the meantime, if anyone beats me to it, post the bug 
>> report number back here and I’ll add a comment.
>> 
>> Devin
>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2015, at 9:52 PM, Peter Bogdanoff  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I see something similar in LC 7, including 7.1 dp 2, in IDE.
>>> 
>>> I see flickering as the mouse moves over a field which sets the background 
>>> color of the line:
>>> 
>>> on mouseMove
>>> if the mouseLine is not empty then
>>>set the backgroundColor of the mouseLine() to 235,231,237
>>> end if
>>> end mouseMove
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Peter Bogdanoff
>>> UCLA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 10, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Roger Guay  wrote:
 
 I and a few others have seen this problem since the release of 
 Yosemite.And, there’s been no improvement with any of the stable releases 
 of LC.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Roger
 
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 10:36 AM, Devin Asay  wrote:
> 
> - I see screen flickering during the execution of visual effects or on 
> buttons with various icon image states. For example on a button that has 
> a “resting” icon and a hover icon there is some screen flickering on the 
> button when I move my mouse cursor to it.
 
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Re: LiveCode and Yosemite

[Devin Asay]

Roger and Peter,

Yes, and since I posted my original question I’ve been noticing flickering in 
Yosemite in similar circumstances. I’ll try to develop a recipe and submit a 
bug report. In the meantime, if anyone beats me to it, post the bug report 
number back here and I’ll add a comment.

Devin

> On Sep 10, 2015, at 9:52 PM, Peter Bogdanoff  wrote:
> 
> I see something similar in LC 7, including 7.1 dp 2, in IDE.
> 
> I see flickering as the mouse moves over a field which sets the background 
> color of the line:
> 
> on mouseMove
>   if the mouseLine is not empty then
>  set the backgroundColor of the mouseLine() to 235,231,237
>   end if
> end mouseMove
> 
> 
> Peter Bogdanoff
> UCLA
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Roger Guay  wrote:
>> 
>> I and a few others have seen this problem since the release of Yosemite.And, 
>> there’s been no improvement with any of the stable releases of LC.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2015, at 10:36 AM, Devin Asay  wrote:
>>> 
>>> - I see screen flickering during the execution of visual effects or on 
>>> buttons with various icon image states. For example on a button that has a 
>>> “resting” icon and a hover icon there is some screen flickering on the 
>>> button when I move my mouse cursor to it.
>> 
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Re: LiveCode and Yosemite

[Mark Waddingham]

Apologies - that should have been 'ageing' and 'fair'... Even though I've had 
an iPhone 6 for a year, I think my thumb still thinks it's an iPhone 5 in size!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Sep 2015, at 18:53, Mark Waddingham  wrote:
> 
> Hi Devin,
> 
> I suspect you are being hit by the acing and non-maintained carbon nature of 
> pre 6.7. As Mac has evolved, carbon has become increasingly unstable - to be 
> far it was deprecated about 6 years ago!
> 
> I'd try in 6.7 first and see if that clears up the issues. If not file a bug 
> report or two :)
> 
> Mark
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 10 Sep 2015, at 18:36, Devin Asay  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I recently switched both my main development station and my Mac labs to 
>> 10.10 Yosemite. I have noticed a couple of problems with LiveCode 
>> standalones, and I wonder if anyone here has noticed the same things on 
>> Yosemite.
>> 
>> - The initial connection to an online database tends to have a significant 
>> delay. Subsequent connections during the same session seem as fast as ever. 
>> I’m still trying to determine whether this problem is with LiveCode or with 
>> the server.
>> 
>> - I see screen flickering during the execution of visual effects or on 
>> buttons with various icon image states. For example on a button that has a 
>> “resting” icon and a hover icon there is some screen flickering on the 
>> button when I move my mouse cursor to it.
>> 
>> I should add that this is primarily with standalones built with LC 6.5 or 
>> earlier. I realize that I need to update these eventually, but I wonder, in 
>> light of these anomalies, if I need to accelerate that schedule?
>> 
>> Has anyone noticed similar things?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Devin
>> 
>> 
>> Devin Asay
>> Office of Digital Humanities
>> Brigham Young University
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Re: LiveCode and Yosemite

[Devin Asay]

Thanks for the responses, Richard and Mark. I need to get over my reluctance to 
“rock the boat” on these older, but still working applications and just try a 
new build! I sometimes suffer from an overabundance of caution. :)

Regards,

Devin


> On Sep 10, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Richard Gaskin  
> wrote:
> 
> Devin Asay wrote:
> 
> > I’ve got a fair number of older, lower use standalone apps that
> > I don’t have time to update immediately, and was curious if anyone
> > else was seeing these problems. If I know what problems crop up
> > with older LC applications on newer OS’s that can help me
> > prioritize my update schedule.
> 
> LiveCode has a better history of backward compatibility than some other 
> languages (and many OSes ), so ideally updating the engine should be no 
> more work than choosing "Build Standalone" from the File menu.
> 
> If it turns out to be less than ideal, the sooner any issues are identified 
> the sooner a solid engine will be available for your app.
> 
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Re: LiveCode and Yosemite

[Mark Waddingham]

Hi Devin,

I suspect you are being hit by the acing and non-maintained carbon nature of 
pre 6.7. As Mac has evolved, carbon has become increasingly unstable - to be 
far it was deprecated about 6 years ago!

I'd try in 6.7 first and see if that clears up the issues. If not file a bug 
report or two :)

Mark

Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Sep 2015, at 18:36, Devin Asay  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I recently switched both my main development station and my Mac labs to 10.10 
> Yosemite. I have noticed a couple of problems with LiveCode standalones, and 
> I wonder if anyone here has noticed the same things on Yosemite.
> 
> - The initial connection to an online database tends to have a significant 
> delay. Subsequent connections during the same session seem as fast as ever. 
> I’m still trying to determine whether this problem is with LiveCode or with 
> the server.
> 
> - I see screen flickering during the execution of visual effects or on 
> buttons with various icon image states. For example on a button that has a 
> “resting” icon and a hover icon there is some screen flickering on the button 
> when I move my mouse cursor to it.
> 
> I should add that this is primarily with standalones built with LC 6.5 or 
> earlier. I realize that I need to update these eventually, but I wonder, in 
> light of these anomalies, if I need to accelerate that schedule?
> 
> Has anyone noticed similar things?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Devin
> 
> 
> Devin Asay
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> Brigham Young University
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Re: LiveCode and Yosemite

[Devin Asay]

> On Sep 10, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Richard Gaskin  
> wrote:
> 
> Devin Asay wrote:
> 
> > I should add that this is primarily with standalones built with LC
> > 6.5 or earlier. I realize that I need to update these eventually,
> > but I wonder, in light of these anomalies, if I need to accelerate
> > that schedule?
> 
> Changes are ongoing, both in the OS and in LiveCode.  I always recommend that 
> whenever a problem is found with any earlier version that the recipe be 
> checked in the latest Stable build, or if available the latest Release 
> Candidate build.  At the moment that's 7.1rc2:
> 

Well, I know that of course, but I was hoping to stave off the inevitable for a 
while longer. :)

I’ve got a fair number of older, lower use standalone apps that I don’t have 
time to update immediately, and was curious if anyone else was seeing these 
problems. If I know what problems crop up with older LC applications on newer 
OS’s that can help me prioritize my update schedule.

Devin


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LiveCode and Yosemite

[Devin Asay]

Hello all,

I recently switched both my main development station and my Mac labs to 10.10 
Yosemite. I have noticed a couple of problems with LiveCode standalones, and I 
wonder if anyone here has noticed the same things on Yosemite.

- The initial connection to an online database tends to have a significant 
delay. Subsequent connections during the same session seem as fast as ever. I’m 
still trying to determine whether this problem is with LiveCode or with the 
server.

- I see screen flickering during the execution of visual effects or on buttons 
with various icon image states. For example on a button that has a “resting” 
icon and a hover icon there is some screen flickering on the button when I move 
my mouse cursor to it.

I should add that this is primarily with standalones built with LC 6.5 or 
earlier. I realize that I need to update these eventually, but I wonder, in 
light of these anomalies, if I need to accelerate that schedule?

Has anyone noticed similar things?

Thanks,

Devin


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Office of Digital Humanities
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Re: LiveCode and Yosemite

[Richard Gaskin]

Devin Asay wrote:

> I should add that this is primarily with standalones built with LC
> 6.5 or earlier. I realize that I need to update these eventually,
> but I wonder, in light of these anomalies, if I need to accelerate
> that schedule?

Changes are ongoing, both in the OS and in LiveCode.  I always recommend 
that whenever a problem is found with any earlier version that the 
recipe be checked in the latest Stable build, or if available the latest 
Release Candidate build.  At the moment that's 7.1rc2:



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Re: LiveCode and Yosemite

[Roger Guay]

I and a few others have seen this problem since the release of Yosemite.And, 
there’s been no improvement with any of the stable releases of LC.

Thanks,

Roger

> On Sep 10, 2015, at 10:36 AM, Devin Asay  wrote:
> 
> - I see screen flickering during the execution of visual effects or on 
> buttons with various icon image states. For example on a button that has a 
> “resting” icon and a hover icon there is some screen flickering on the button 
> when I move my mouse cursor to it.

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Re: LiveCode and Yosemite

[Peter Bogdanoff]

I see something similar in LC 7, including 7.1 dp 2, in IDE.

I see flickering as the mouse moves over a field which sets the background 
color of the line:

on mouseMove
   if the mouseLine is not empty then
  set the backgroundColor of the mouseLine() to 235,231,237
   end if
end mouseMove


Peter Bogdanoff
UCLA



> On Sep 10, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Roger Guay  wrote:
> 
> I and a few others have seen this problem since the release of Yosemite.And, 
> there’s been no improvement with any of the stable releases of LC.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Roger
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2015, at 10:36 AM, Devin Asay  wrote:
>> 
>> - I see screen flickering during the execution of visual effects or on 
>> buttons with various icon image states. For example on a button that has a 
>> “resting” icon and a hover icon there is some screen flickering on the 
>> button when I move my mouse cursor to it.
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Re: LiveCode and Yosemite

[Richard Gaskin]

Devin Asay wrote:

> I’ve got a fair number of older, lower use standalone apps that
> I don’t have time to update immediately, and was curious if anyone
> else was seeing these problems. If I know what problems crop up
> with older LC applications on newer OS’s that can help me
> prioritize my update schedule.

LiveCode has a better history of backward compatibility than some other 
languages (and many OSes ), so ideally updating the engine should be 
no more work than choosing "Build Standalone" from the File menu.


If it turns out to be less than ideal, the sooner any issues are 
identified the sooner a solid engine will be available for your app.


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LiveCode and Yosemite

[Colin Holgate]

I updated from Mavericks to Yosemite today, and LiveCode 6.6.4 contuse to test 
onto Simulator ok.
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