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So which is it? Esquire or Doctor or Lawyer? Man, that's a lot of hats. On Friday, July 13, 2012, Dr. Hawkins wrote: snip The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq -- Chipp Walters CEO, Altuit, Inc. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 07/14/2012 03:58 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: So which is it? Esquire or Doctor or Lawyer? Man, that's a lot of hats. On Friday, July 13, 2012, Dr. Hawkins wrote: snip The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq Presumably it is Dr Hawkins, although Dr Hawkins seems not to understand how to use titles, as one only puts Esq. (notice the full-stop) after the name of somebody who is male, over 21 and does NOT have a doctorate (or, in the case of a physician, an MB). On writing to somebody who has Esq. after their name one usually begins a letter: Dear Mr Although my inclination in the case of somebody who seems to be trying to be pompous by putting Esq. after their own name (which one doesn't do; one calls oneself Mr and they address the envelope Richmond Mathewson. Esq.) is to address them in one of the following ways: Oi Mate Hey You or Me Old Mucker Love, kisses and 'we now live in the 21st century', Mr Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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1 ( Esquire) (abbr.: Esq.) a title appended to a lawyer's surname. Richmond... me old mucker ...Does it really matter ? On 07/14/2012 03:58 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: So which is it? Esquire or Doctor or Lawyer? Man, that's a lot of hats. On Friday, July 13, 2012, Dr. Hawkins wrote: snip The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq Presumably it is Dr Hawkins, although Dr Hawkins seems not to understand how to use titles, as one only puts Esq. (notice the full-stop) after the name of somebody who is male, over 21 and does NOT have a doctorate (or, in the case of a physician, an MB). On writing to somebody who has Esq. after their name one usually begins a letter: Dear Mr Although my inclination in the case of somebody who seems to be trying to be pompous by putting Esq. after their own name (which one doesn't do; one calls oneself Mr and they address the envelope Richmond Mathewson. Esq.) is to address them in one of the following ways: Oi Mate Hey You or Me Old Mucker Love, kisses and 'we now live in the 21st century', Mr Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 07/14/2012 05:23 PM, John Dixon wrote: 1 ( Esquire) (abbr.: Esq.) a title appended to a lawyer's surname. Richmond... me old mucker ...Does it really matter ? Yer right mate! Only to people who feel desperately insecure and have to bolster up their egos with fancy bits popped on the front or the end of their names. On 07/14/2012 03:58 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: So which is it? Esquire or Doctor or Lawyer? Man, that's a lot of hats. On Friday, July 13, 2012, Dr. Hawkins wrote: snip The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq Presumably it is Dr Hawkins, although Dr Hawkins seems not to understand how to use titles, as one only puts Esq. (notice the full-stop) after the name of somebody who is male, over 21 and does NOT have a doctorate (or, in the case of a physician, an MB). On writing to somebody who has Esq. after their name one usually begins a letter: Dear Mr Although my inclination in the case of somebody who seems to be trying to be pompous by putting Esq. after their own name (which one doesn't do; one calls oneself Mr and they address the envelope Richmond Mathewson. Esq.) is to address them in one of the following ways: Oi Mate Hey You or Me Old Mucker Love, kisses and 'we now live in the 21st century', Mr Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com wrote: So which is it? Esquire or Doctor or Lawyer? Man, that's a lot of hats. Esquire and Lawyer are the same hat in the us. And both Dr. (Economics Statistics) and Lawyer. But yes, I have a lot of hats :) -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Suite A Las Vegas, NV 89109 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 07/14/2012 06:25 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com wrote: So which is it? Esquire or Doctor or Lawyer? Man, that's a lot of hats. Esquire and Lawyer are the same hat in the us. And both Dr. (Economics Statistics) and Lawyer. But yes, I have a lot of hats :) Multi-Hatted you may well be, and all well and jolly that is, however, would you that we address you thus: Dr Hawkins, Mr Hawkins, Attorney Hawkins, Advocate Hawkins, otherwise, or simply Richard ? sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Presumably it is Dr Hawkins, although Dr Hawkins seems not to understand how to use titles, as one only puts Esq. (notice the full-stop) Someone lost mine while quoting. See the unquoted signature below. after the name of somebody who is male, over 21 and does NOT have a doctorate (or, in the case of a physician, an MB). In the United States, it is put after the name of all admitted attorneys (we don't have a solicitor/barrister distinction). Whether you don't use the Dr. if an Esq., or don't use the Esq. if a Dr., seems to have a split of opinion. If you want to toss in *everything, it's Dr. Richard Edmund Stephen Hawkins, J.D., Ph.D., Esq. On writing to somebody who has Esq. after their name one usually begins a letter: Dear Mr Although my inclination in the case of somebody who seems to be trying to be pompous by putting Esq. after their own name (which one doesn't do; one calls oneself Mr and they address the envelope Richmond Mathewson. Esq.) is to address them in one of the If I filed a pleading *without* the Esq. in the name in a court that wasn't familiar with me, it would probably trigger a check by the clerk to see if I was a lawyer. And clients expect it; send a letter without one and they ask why the other lawyers have it and you don't . . . OTOH, I've never introduced myself as Dr. Hawkins outside of an academic setting. (however, I'd likely do so in response to an M.D. who introduces himself as Dr. Smith. I'm a real doctor, not a physician, and don't have the inherited inferiority complex (oddly mixed with a God complex) that comes from the modern M.D. being a watered down thing designed with the explicit purpose of borrowing the respect/prestige/not-killing-people of the doctors of the university. Having taken out one of the two key features of what doctor meant for a couple of thousand years, they progressed to claiming to be real doctors. [note: some are, but most have never *contributed* to knowledge]) This account is dochawk instead of hawk for the simple reason that early gmail required at least 6 characters, and my students were already receiving email from a dochawk account at Penn State. -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Suite A Las Vegas, NV 89109 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Multi-Hatted you may well be, and all well and jolly that is, however, would you that we address you thus: Dr Hawkins, Mr Hawkins, Attorney Hawkins, Advocate Hawkins, otherwise, or simply Richard ? I answer to so many different things these days . . . Richard, Rick, hawk, doc, dochawk (usually only by reference or in the program name [which picked it up as a reference and it stuck]) Now that I think of it, I think that more people just plain call me doc than anything else (which is kind of odd, as I've never introduced myself as that; I think I can trace almost all of it to a single introduction someone made about three years ago in which he introduced me as Dr. Hawkins -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Suite A Las Vegas, NV 89109 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 07/14/2012 06:35 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Presumably it is Dr Hawkins, although Dr Hawkins seems not to understand how to use titles, as one only puts Esq. (notice the full-stop) Someone lost mine while quoting. See the unquoted signature below. after the name of somebody who is male, over 21 and does NOT have a doctorate (or, in the case of a physician, an MB). In the United States, it is put after the name of all admitted attorneys (we don't have a solicitor/barrister distinction). What is a barrister? I don't think we have those sort of beasts in Scotland, although we do have writers to the signet. Whether you don't use the Dr. if an Esq., or don't use the Esq. if a Dr., seems to have a split of opinion. If you want to toss in *everything, it's Dr. Richard Edmund Stephen Hawkins, J.D., Ph.D., Esq. On writing to somebody who has Esq. after their name one usually begins a letter: Dear Mr Although my inclination in the case of somebody who seems to be trying to be pompous by putting Esq. after their own name (which one doesn't do; one calls oneself Mr and they address the envelope Richmond Mathewson. Esq.) is to address them in one of the If I filed a pleading *without* the Esq. in the name in a court that wasn't familiar with me, it would probably trigger a check by the clerk to see if I was a lawyer. And clients expect it; send a letter without one and they ask why the other lawyers have it and you don't . . . OTOH, I've never introduced myself as Dr. Hawkins outside of an academic setting. (however, I'd likely do so in response to an M.D. who introduces himself as Dr. Smith. I'm a real doctor, not a physician, and don't have the inherited inferiority complex (oddly mixed with a God complex) that comes from the modern M.D. being a watered down thing designed with the explicit purpose of borrowing the respect/prestige/not-killing-people of the doctors of the university. Having taken out one of the two key features of what doctor meant for a couple of thousand years, they progressed to claiming to be real doctors. [note: some are, but most have never *contributed* to knowledge]) Well and true. Notwithstanding that, my grandfather, Dr Richmond McIntosh (M.D.) was bothe real medical doctor (i.e. not just an M. B.) and contributed to knowldge (search for his stuff in the BMJ on the internet). This account is dochawk instead of hawk for the simple reason that early gmail required at least 6 characters, and my students were already receiving email from a dochawk account at Penn State. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/14/2012 06:35 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: What is a barrister? It's a british half-a-lawyer, I think :) I don't think we have those sort of beasts in Scotland, although we do have writers to the signet. Do they both give advice and appear in court? And if so, to which century do they dress? :) Well and true. Notwithstanding that, my grandfather, Dr Richmond McIntosh (M.D.) was bothe real medical doctor (i.e. not just an M. B.) and contributed to knowldge (search for his stuff in the BMJ on the internet). Prior to the modern MD, there was a real M.D., just like the Ph.D., L.L.D., D.D. (the four learned professions) Watering down the title was a reasonable exchange for replacing the barbers for primary medical care . . . I'll acknowledge and agree that an M.D. who has either published in a journal or developed and circulated (not just patented and charged licensing fees) is a doctor. I have a couple of friends with joint M.D. Ph.D. I refer to them as the only physicians I know who are real doctors . . . :) -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Suite A Las Vegas, NV 89109 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 07/14/2012 08:31 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/14/2012 06:35 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: What is a barrister? It's a british half-a-lawyer, I think :) I don't think we have those sort of beasts in Scotland, although we do have writers to the signet. Do they both give advice and appear in court? Aye, they do, an as far as Ah jalouse they mun put a peruke on their heids. And if so, to which century do they dress? :) Well and true. Notwithstanding that, my grandfather, Dr Richmond McIntosh (M.D.) was bothe real medical doctor (i.e. not just an M. B.) and contributed to knowldge (search for his stuff in the BMJ on the internet). Prior to the modern MD, there was a real M.D., just like the Ph.D., L.L.D., D.D. (the four learned professions) Watering down the title was a reasonable exchange for replacing the barbers for primary medical care . . . I'll acknowledge and agree that an M.D. who has either published in a journal or developed and circulated (not just patented and charged licensing fees) is a doctor. I have a couple of friends with joint M.D. Ph.D. I refer to them as the only physicians I know who are real doctors . . . :) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Aye, they do, an as far as Ah jalouse they mun put a peruke on their heids. And I thought, per Churchill, that the US and England were two countries separated by a common language . . . :) -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Suite A Las Vegas, NV 89109 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Oh, that sounds great. I'll pack up and move to Nevada so I can go bankrupt, give you my SSN, and get a discount on your software. I'll call when I get in. You won't even need to buy the software; I use it to file for you. :) -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Suite A Las Vegas, NV 89109 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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It is feasible, but I must say that when searching for software for a particular application, when I encounter a per use license, I look elsewhere. Bob On Jul 12, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: I want people to be able to pay per use for the product. In this case, it would mean per client file. My thinking is that I embed a large random string in the source code of their copy, and keep a copy of the string myself. When a license is purchased, it would be for a particular last name and last four digits of that client's social security number. Upon payment, my server would run a hash on the random string, the name of my customer, and the client info from their customer, and produce a key. At the client end, this key is put in a list. When the program runs, it would run the hash, and if the key exists, it could proceed. Is this a sensible approach? And and any suggestions on the hash to use? -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Suite A Las Vegas, NV 89109 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Try ZygoDact, it already does all this for you. www.hyperactivesoftware.com Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: I want people to be able to pay per use for the product. In this case, it would mean per client file. My thinking is that I embed a large random string in the source code of their copy, and keep a copy of the string myself. When a license is purchased, it would be for a particular last name and last four digits of that client's social security number. Upon payment, my server would run a hash on the random string, the name of my customer, and the client info from their customer, and produce a key. At the client end, this key is put in a list. When the program runs, it would run the hash, and if the key exists, it could proceed. Is this a sensible approach? And and any suggestions on the hash to use? -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Suite A Las Vegas, NV 89109 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Dr. Hawkins dochawk@... writes: Is this a sensible approach? And and any suggestions on the hash to use? Er... you expect that when I purchase your product I'm going to give you my social security number? I'll pass. -- Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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he said the last four digits of the ss# On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.netwrote: Dr. Hawkins dochawk@... writes: Is this a sensible approach? And and any suggestions on the hash to use? Er... you expect that when I purchase your product I'm going to give you my social security number? I'll pass. -- Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Er... you expect that when I purchase your product I'm going to give you my social security number? I'll pass. No, when you file bankrutpcy, you must include the last 4 as part of the public record. -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Suite A Las Vegas, NV 89109 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote: Try ZygoDact, it already does all this for you. www.hyperactivesoftware.com it's at hyperactivesw.com. There is no server at hyperactivesoftware.com . . . Thanks. But that does seem like overkill as an approach . . . At the server, logged into their account (actually, probably from within the application), they enter last name and social of their client, then pay. A simple function f(serial_number, lastname,ss4) produces a key. This is stored at client end. At the client end, when trying to open the file for use, it runs f(). If that output is among the keys stored locally, the program is willing to continue and open the file, This seems to be a job for a function, not two extra stacks. Also, given a future cloud transition, I need to not be relying on a black box. (For that matter, it's still not clear that I don't need to transition to something more stable than livecode within the next couple of years--if the standalones aren't a couple of orders of magnitude more stable than the IDE, I really won't have a choice). -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Suite A Las Vegas, NV 89109 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Mark Weider is going bankrupt? Shouldn't we help him somehow?? ;-) Bob On Jul 12, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Er... you expect that when I purchase your product I'm going to give you my social security number? I'll pass. No, when you file bankrutpcy, you must include the last 4 as part of the public record. -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Suite A Las Vegas, NV 89109 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: It is feasible, but I must say that when searching for software for a particular application, when I encounter a per use license, I look elsewhere. This is software for which attorney licenses are typically in the $1k/year range. Each use is a bankruptcy for which the attorney is charging $1k or more. The per-use will be, at least initially, an alternative. $25/use will be preferable to a great many users than $1k/year, and lets me sell to the low volume filers without reducing to a non-viable price to support the regular folks. -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Suite A Las Vegas, NV 89109 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Mark Weider is going bankrupt? Shouldn't we help him somehow?? ;-) If he moves to Nevada, I can give him a great discount. :) -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Suite A Las Vegas, NV 89109 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net wrote: Er... you expect that when I purchase your product I'm going to give you my social security number? I'll pass. No, when you file bankrutpcy, you must include the last 4 as part of the public record. If the software is targeted at people who've filed bankruptcy that may work, except that if they've filed for bankruptcy they're probably not in a position to pay for software. ;) A lot of services use last four of social as a key factor in authenticating over the phone. In many cases that's the only element not easily found in public records. Respectfully, any software vendor requiring that from me would lose a sale. What is so unusual about the market you're addressing that you need such severe restrictions on license protection? All software will always be stolen. Big game companies spend literally millions on software security RD, all with the hope of merely extending the time-to-crack by as much as 60 days. Unless there's something very unusual about your market, chances are you'll make more money with a simpler system that appeals to the fundamentally-honest majority, just as nearly every successful software publisher has done. Sure, you'll have stolen reg keys floating around. Most apps do, often within three days of release. But using those keys - that's a different story: many keygens are tied to malware, including key loggers and such, so those stealing you reg codes do so at great risk. Besides, someone motivated to steal software is unlikely to ever pay for software anyway, so I part ways with the SPA and other orgs who count every stolen copy as a lost sale. BS. Keep your eye on serving the paying customer, and risks from the relative few who steal will take care of themselves. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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I have much experience in this area of licensing. Since Dr. Hawkins works for a law firm (owns the law firm?) I would assume this piece of software is directly related to his operations... The last four digits of a social is something that his clients are willing to give him. Just had an awesome idea... want to prevent somebody from giving out their license code? Make it the same as their entire social security number! Unique number Bam! Just my 2 cents. SKIP On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net wrote: Er... you expect that when I purchase your product I'm going to give you my social security number? I'll pass. No, when you file bankrutpcy, you must include the last 4 as part of the public record. If the software is targeted at people who've filed bankruptcy that may work, except that if they've filed for bankruptcy they're probably not in a position to pay for software. ;) A lot of services use last four of social as a key factor in authenticating over the phone. In many cases that's the only element not easily found in public records. Respectfully, any software vendor requiring that from me would lose a sale. What is so unusual about the market you're addressing that you need such severe restrictions on license protection? All software will always be stolen. Big game companies spend literally millions on software security RD, all with the hope of merely extending the time-to-crack by as much as 60 days. Unless there's something very unusual about your market, chances are you'll make more money with a simpler system that appeals to the fundamentally-honest majority, just as nearly every successful software publisher has done. Sure, you'll have stolen reg keys floating around. Most apps do, often within three days of release. But using those keys - that's a different story: many keygens are tied to malware, including key loggers and such, so those stealing you reg codes do so at great risk. Besides, someone motivated to steal software is unlikely to ever pay for software anyway, so I part ways with the SPA and other orgs who count every stolen copy as a lost sale. BS. Keep your eye on serving the paying customer, and risks from the relative few who steal will take care of themselves. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Skip Kimpel wrote: I have much experience in this area of licensing. Since Dr. Hawkins works for a law firm (owns the law firm?) I would assume this piece of software is directly related to his operations... The last four digits of a social is something that his clients are willing to give him. Yes, shortly after I sent that I read subsequent posts which explained why his app is indeed a unique case in which this specific bit of information may not be inappropriate at all. Just had an awesome idea... want to prevent somebody from giving out their license code? Make it the same as their entire social security number! Unique number Bam! I like it. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: validating per use licensing
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: If the software is targeted at people who've filed bankruptcy that may work, except that if they've filed for bankruptcy they're probably not in a position to pay for software. ;) I'm selling to attorneys. (and, yes, years ago, I didn't take bankruptcy in law school for the simple reason that I didn't see how get paid by people who were out of money . . .) A lot of services use last four of social as a key factor in authenticating over the phone. In many cases that's the only element not easily found in public records. Respectfully, any software vendor requiring that from me would lose a sale. It's not my customer, the attorney, providing his social, but the debtor in each case, who must provide this to the court. Last name + last 4 is unlikely to repeat for any given lawyer (and in the rare case it does, he gets a freebee) What is so unusual about the market you're addressing that you need such severe restrictions on license protection? All software will always be stolen. Big game companies spend literally millions on software security RD, all with the hope of merely extending the time-to-crack by as much as 60 days. Lawyers. They're a level above in justifying software theft to themselves. It's been suggested by several sources that I'll make significantly more in the by the case market than the flat annual fee market. Unless there's something very unusual about your market, chances are you'll make more money with a simpler system that appeals to the fundamentally-honest majority, just as nearly every successful software publisher has done. That's what I'm doing for the flat fee pay system. The attorney name and bar number are hard-coded into script, and that will be plenty (actually using hacker tools, aside from being beyond the tech level of most lawyers, also wouldn't fit in with the ways in which they justify the copies). Keep your eye on serving the paying customer, and risks from the relative few who steal will take care of themselves. I'm not to worried about the flat-out thieves; just the metering of the per-case crowd. Remember to send me a check at the end of the month just won't cut it :) -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Suite A Las Vegas, NV 89109 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel s...@magicgate.com wrote: I have much experience in this area of licensing. Since Dr. Hawkins works for a law firm (owns the law firm?) Yes. Years ago a predecessor to this ran on Hypercard and then SuperCard 1.5. When I returned to practice, I re-implemented in spreadsheets (it's amazing what they can do on a gigahertz processor). I've been prodded into making it available to other attorneys, as Im the only attorney in the US filing bankrutpcy from a mac without running windows inside. I would assume this piece of software is directly related to his operations... The last four digits of a social is something that his clients are willing to give him. If they want to file, they give it to the world. (twenty years ago, the *entire* social was on many of the pleadings, including the petition!!!) Just had an awesome idea... want to prevent somebody from giving out their license code? Make it the same as their entire social security number! Unique number Bam! I love it :) -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Suite A Las Vegas, NV 89109 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: validating per use licensing
Dr. Hawkins wrote: Lawyers. They're a level above in justifying software theft to themselves. Joining that irony, stats from the SPA show music production software to be the second most-pirated category after games. ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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If they want to file, they give it to the world. (twenty years ago, the *entire* social was on many of the pleadings, including the petition!!!) I never thought of that! Who wants to steal the identity of a bankrupt person?? Bob ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Eheh. I guess the secret to tolerating the insanity is to become one of the inmates! Bob On Jul 12, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Dr. Hawkins wrote: Lawyers. They're a level above in justifying software theft to themselves. Joining that irony, stats from the SPA show music production software to be the second most-pirated category after games. ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: I never thought of that! Who wants to steal the identity of a bankrupt person?? It took a while to occur to the courts, too. But after discharge, you have someone with no debt, and know his name, full social, place of employment . . . the files from 2-4 years ago are a true treasure trove under the circumstances. -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Suite A Las Vegas, NV 89109 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: validating per use licensing
D- Thursday, July 12, 2012, 1:13:51 PM, you wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Mark Weider is going bankrupt? Shouldn't we help him somehow?? ;-) If he moves to Nevada, I can give him a great discount. :) Oh, that sounds great. I'll pack up and move to Nevada so I can go bankrupt, give you my SSN, and get a discount on your software. I'll call when I get in. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
