Re: HTML5 LC Download Icon?

2016-05-20 Thread Bob Hall
For me to be able to even consider using LC HTML5 I need a couple basic 
commands to get and post URLs. What I want to do basically is RESTful things 
with a server app using LC HTML5 as the “front end”. No local access to client, 
just URL gets and posts. Without these basic capabilities, for me HTML5 is 
nothing I’m interested in. If I’m missing something I’d love to be educated on 
how to do this.

Would there be any interest in a community backed effort working with LC 
Services to prioritize HTML gets/posts for HTML5?  I know there will be a cost 
of many $1000s I’m sure. As I don’t have that, I wonder what the level of 
success would be of a Community based funding campaign to prioritize this 
capability with the Development team...

Also, earlier in the thread I saw a mention that Indy license includes the 
HTML5 capabilities without the “download button”. For me, I need to spend 
another $50/month to get this support in my Indy license. That’s the case 
correct?

Bob


> On May 15, 2016, at 2:07 PM, J. Landman Gay  wrote:
> 
> On 5/15/2016 9:18 AM, Rick Harrison wrote:
>> HTML5 still being in the early experimental stage which
>> also has no means of communicating with outside files
>> or databases kills any potential usefulness of it’s
>> abilities for me.
> 
> Isn't that a browser restriction to prevent malware from reading and writing 
> to the user's hard drive?
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Re: HTML5 LC Download Icon?

2016-05-15 Thread Richard Gaskin

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 5/15/2016 9:18 AM, Rick Harrison wrote:
>> HTML5 still being in the early experimental stage which
>> also has no means of communicating with outside files
>> or databases kills any potential usefulness of it’s
>> abilities for me.
>
> Isn't that a browser restriction to prevent malware from reading and
> writing to the user's hard drive?

I believe it's more pervasive:  since sockets aren't in the build, 
nothing in libURL works.  And since it isn't yet integrated with 
browser-native features like XHR or WebSockets, nothing normal browser 
apps do will work either.


AFAIK, in the current build, HTML output from LC is more or less an 
island, unable to communicate with the outside world.


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Re: HTML5 LC Download Icon?

2016-05-15 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 5/15/2016 9:18 AM, Rick Harrison wrote:

HTML5 still being in the early experimental stage which
also has no means of communicating with outside files
or databases kills any potential usefulness of it’s
abilities for me.


Isn't that a browser restriction to prevent malware from reading and 
writing to the user's hard drive?


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Re: HTML5 LC Download Icon?

2016-05-15 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi Herman,

Yes, I understand now that everything gets downloaded
with this HTML5 deployment including my app.
That being the case, I find the icon to be annoying, but
I’m glad to here that my future (already paid for) license
will get rid of the thing.

HTML5 still being in the early experimental stage which
also has no means of communicating with outside files
or databases kills any potential usefulness of it’s
abilities for me.  That makes it difficult to determine
when I should start my license for it.  I was looking
for a finished/polished product, not a beta/experimental
version.

Since HTML5 downloads my app anyway, it probably
makes more sense for me to just have a standard link
in one of my webpages which points the user to 
download and install the correct version of my app
for Mac or Windows or Linux.  Then my app can
talk to whatever files or databases it needs to,
without any unwanted green icons.

What I really wanted from HTML5, was something
similar to a “Dream Weaver” on steroids for LiveCode
that would write the HTML5 for me for easy deployment
to my server-side website.  I didn’t want a client-based
downloading type app that doesn’t communicate with
files or databases.  Oh well…

Thanks for your response!

Rick


> On May 13, 2016, at 12:44 PM, [-hh]  wrote:
> 
> Just to avoid misunderstandings for HTML5-standalones
> (one has to read Peter's posts always twice...):
> Using a licensed version of LiveCode disables the
> download icon. But:
> 
> Downloading can NOT be disabled, no matter the license.
> Reading scripts can NOT be disabled, no matter the license.
> 
> Not showing the download icon/link does NOT disable the
> download and script view of the zipped stack. Even the extra
> HTML5 license does NOT allow to protect the source code.
> 
> The zipped stack is in the same folder as the calling HTML.
> If the default is used then replacing the last path item in
> the browser by "standalone.zip" downloads the stack. Or you
> have to use a custom zip name (find its name in the HTML
> page source code, no matter the license).
> 
> I told my naming convention the users of my HTML5-modules
> in the HTML5 forum, so they don't have to look into the
> HTML source (for example "MathBeauties1b-8.0.0-rc-1.zip").
> 
> Hermann
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Re: HTML5 LC Download Icon?

2016-05-13 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi Peter,

The reason I’ve been playing around with the Community Version of HTML5
was so I could determine if HTML5 was ready for primetime for me to start my
Indy License which I prepaid for when I backed the KickStarter Campaign for it.

I wanted to make sure that the Indy version didn’t have icons forced upon my
app that I didn’t want, hence my question.

I’m glad to hear that the Indy version doesn’t include that piece of code.

My vision of HTML5 apparently was totally different from what the team
envisioned.  What I wanted was something that would generate the
HTML5 code which I would put on my server that would then execute 
as a LiveCode App.  Instead the engine and the app are downloaded
to the users computer.  Why is this better than the Web Plug-In we used 
to have which used to do something similar?

I also noticed that there is a spinning wheel which indicates the download.
Wouldn’t a progress bar be better so the user has some idea of how
long the wait might be?  Is it possible to create a progress bar for that,
or is it beyond the capability as it now stands?

Sadly, since the database/file persistence hasn’t been implemented, this
version of HTML5 is pretty worthless to me.  Now I’m again left with the
dilemma of trying to figure out if I should start using my Indy License
for HTML5 or not.

Thanks for getting back to me Peter!

Rick



> On May 13, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Peter TB Brett  wrote:
> 
> On 07/05/2016 02:09, Rick Harrison wrote:
>> I’ve been playing around with HTML5
>> in the Community Version of LC 8.
>> 
>> Although I think the small green LC App Download
>> button is an interesting idea, I might want my users
>> to only use the app online. I might not want them
>> downloading it into their computer.
> 
> They are already downloading it onto their computer in order to run it. You 
> are distributing your app (and LiveCode!) to them, which means that under the 
> terms of the GPLv3 you must provide them with the complete corresponding 
> source code in the preferred form for modification.
> 
> The convenient button helps you comply with the license.
> 
>> How do I disable that LC button which is
>> part of the frame on the right side, or
>> make it disappear altogether?
> 
> Use LiveCode Indy or Commercial, or compile a version of the Open Source 
> LiveCode HTML5 engine that doesn't include that piece of code.
> 
>> It also appears there is no way to
>> store information in a permanent
>> way in flat files or to a database,
>> unless I’m missing something here.
> 
> At the moment there's no persistence implemented, sorry. :-(
> 
>   Peter
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Re: HTML5 LC Download Icon?

2016-05-13 Thread [-hh]
Just to avoid misunderstandings for HTML5-standalones
(one has to read Peter's posts always twice...):
Using a licensed version of LiveCode disables the
download icon. But:

Downloading can NOT be disabled, no matter the license.
Reading scripts can NOT be disabled, no matter the license.

Not showing the download icon/link does NOT disable the
download and script view of the zipped stack. Even the extra
HTML5 license does NOT allow to protect the source code.

The zipped stack is in the same folder as the calling HTML.
If the default is used then replacing the last path item in
the browser by "standalone.zip" downloads the stack. Or you
have to use a custom zip name (find its name in the HTML
page source code, no matter the license).

I told my naming convention the users of my HTML5-modules
in the HTML5 forum, so they don't have to look into the
HTML source (for example "MathBeauties1b-8.0.0-rc-1.zip").

Hermann



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Re: HTML5 LC Download Icon?

2016-05-13 Thread Peter TB Brett

On 07/05/2016 02:09, Rick Harrison wrote:

I’ve been playing around with HTML5
in the Community Version of LC 8.

Although I think the small green LC App Download
button is an interesting idea, I might want my users
to only use the app online. I might not want them
downloading it into their computer.


They are already downloading it onto their computer in order to run it. 
You are distributing your app (and LiveCode!) to them, which means that 
under the terms of the GPLv3 you must provide them with the complete 
corresponding source code in the preferred form for modification.


The convenient button helps you comply with the license.


How do I disable that LC button which is
part of the frame on the right side, or
make it disappear altogether?


Use LiveCode Indy or Commercial, or compile a version of the Open Source 
LiveCode HTML5 engine that doesn't include that piece of code.



It also appears there is no way to
store information in a permanent
way in flat files or to a database,
unless I’m missing something here.


At the moment there's no persistence implemented, sorry. :-(

   Peter

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