Re: HTML5 LC Download Icon?
For me to be able to even consider using LC HTML5 I need a couple basic commands to get and post URLs. What I want to do basically is RESTful things with a server app using LC HTML5 as the “front end”. No local access to client, just URL gets and posts. Without these basic capabilities, for me HTML5 is nothing I’m interested in. If I’m missing something I’d love to be educated on how to do this. Would there be any interest in a community backed effort working with LC Services to prioritize HTML gets/posts for HTML5? I know there will be a cost of many $1000s I’m sure. As I don’t have that, I wonder what the level of success would be of a Community based funding campaign to prioritize this capability with the Development team... Also, earlier in the thread I saw a mention that Indy license includes the HTML5 capabilities without the “download button”. For me, I need to spend another $50/month to get this support in my Indy license. That’s the case correct? Bob > On May 15, 2016, at 2:07 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > On 5/15/2016 9:18 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: >> HTML5 still being in the early experimental stage which >> also has no means of communicating with outside files >> or databases kills any potential usefulness of it’s >> abilities for me. > > Isn't that a browser restriction to prevent malware from reading and writing > to the user's hard drive? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HTML5 LC Download Icon?
J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 5/15/2016 9:18 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: >> HTML5 still being in the early experimental stage which >> also has no means of communicating with outside files >> or databases kills any potential usefulness of it’s >> abilities for me. > > Isn't that a browser restriction to prevent malware from reading and > writing to the user's hard drive? I believe it's more pervasive: since sockets aren't in the build, nothing in libURL works. And since it isn't yet integrated with browser-native features like XHR or WebSockets, nothing normal browser apps do will work either. AFAIK, in the current build, HTML output from LC is more or less an island, unable to communicate with the outside world. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HTML5 LC Download Icon?
On 5/15/2016 9:18 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: HTML5 still being in the early experimental stage which also has no means of communicating with outside files or databases kills any potential usefulness of it’s abilities for me. Isn't that a browser restriction to prevent malware from reading and writing to the user's hard drive? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HTML5 LC Download Icon?
Hi Herman, Yes, I understand now that everything gets downloaded with this HTML5 deployment including my app. That being the case, I find the icon to be annoying, but I’m glad to here that my future (already paid for) license will get rid of the thing. HTML5 still being in the early experimental stage which also has no means of communicating with outside files or databases kills any potential usefulness of it’s abilities for me. That makes it difficult to determine when I should start my license for it. I was looking for a finished/polished product, not a beta/experimental version. Since HTML5 downloads my app anyway, it probably makes more sense for me to just have a standard link in one of my webpages which points the user to download and install the correct version of my app for Mac or Windows or Linux. Then my app can talk to whatever files or databases it needs to, without any unwanted green icons. What I really wanted from HTML5, was something similar to a “Dream Weaver” on steroids for LiveCode that would write the HTML5 for me for easy deployment to my server-side website. I didn’t want a client-based downloading type app that doesn’t communicate with files or databases. Oh well… Thanks for your response! Rick > On May 13, 2016, at 12:44 PM, [-hh] wrote: > > Just to avoid misunderstandings for HTML5-standalones > (one has to read Peter's posts always twice...): > Using a licensed version of LiveCode disables the > download icon. But: > > Downloading can NOT be disabled, no matter the license. > Reading scripts can NOT be disabled, no matter the license. > > Not showing the download icon/link does NOT disable the > download and script view of the zipped stack. Even the extra > HTML5 license does NOT allow to protect the source code. > > The zipped stack is in the same folder as the calling HTML. > If the default is used then replacing the last path item in > the browser by "standalone.zip" downloads the stack. Or you > have to use a custom zip name (find its name in the HTML > page source code, no matter the license). > > I told my naming convention the users of my HTML5-modules > in the HTML5 forum, so they don't have to look into the > HTML source (for example "MathBeauties1b-8.0.0-rc-1.zip"). > > Hermann > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/VLC-and-GPL-and-LC-on-iOS-was-Re-MergEXT-now-included-with-Indy-Business-IDE-tp4704298p4704627.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HTML5 LC Download Icon?
Hi Peter, The reason I’ve been playing around with the Community Version of HTML5 was so I could determine if HTML5 was ready for primetime for me to start my Indy License which I prepaid for when I backed the KickStarter Campaign for it. I wanted to make sure that the Indy version didn’t have icons forced upon my app that I didn’t want, hence my question. I’m glad to hear that the Indy version doesn’t include that piece of code. My vision of HTML5 apparently was totally different from what the team envisioned. What I wanted was something that would generate the HTML5 code which I would put on my server that would then execute as a LiveCode App. Instead the engine and the app are downloaded to the users computer. Why is this better than the Web Plug-In we used to have which used to do something similar? I also noticed that there is a spinning wheel which indicates the download. Wouldn’t a progress bar be better so the user has some idea of how long the wait might be? Is it possible to create a progress bar for that, or is it beyond the capability as it now stands? Sadly, since the database/file persistence hasn’t been implemented, this version of HTML5 is pretty worthless to me. Now I’m again left with the dilemma of trying to figure out if I should start using my Indy License for HTML5 or not. Thanks for getting back to me Peter! Rick > On May 13, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote: > > On 07/05/2016 02:09, Rick Harrison wrote: >> I’ve been playing around with HTML5 >> in the Community Version of LC 8. >> >> Although I think the small green LC App Download >> button is an interesting idea, I might want my users >> to only use the app online. I might not want them >> downloading it into their computer. > > They are already downloading it onto their computer in order to run it. You > are distributing your app (and LiveCode!) to them, which means that under the > terms of the GPLv3 you must provide them with the complete corresponding > source code in the preferred form for modification. > > The convenient button helps you comply with the license. > >> How do I disable that LC button which is >> part of the frame on the right side, or >> make it disappear altogether? > > Use LiveCode Indy or Commercial, or compile a version of the Open Source > LiveCode HTML5 engine that doesn't include that piece of code. > >> It also appears there is no way to >> store information in a permanent >> way in flat files or to a database, >> unless I’m missing something here. > > At the moment there's no persistence implemented, sorry. :-( > > Peter > > -- > Dr Peter Brett > LiveCode Open Source Team > > LiveCode 2016 Conference https://livecode.com/edinburgh-2016/ > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HTML5 LC Download Icon?
Just to avoid misunderstandings for HTML5-standalones (one has to read Peter's posts always twice...): Using a licensed version of LiveCode disables the download icon. But: Downloading can NOT be disabled, no matter the license. Reading scripts can NOT be disabled, no matter the license. Not showing the download icon/link does NOT disable the download and script view of the zipped stack. Even the extra HTML5 license does NOT allow to protect the source code. The zipped stack is in the same folder as the calling HTML. If the default is used then replacing the last path item in the browser by "standalone.zip" downloads the stack. Or you have to use a custom zip name (find its name in the HTML page source code, no matter the license). I told my naming convention the users of my HTML5-modules in the HTML5 forum, so they don't have to look into the HTML source (for example "MathBeauties1b-8.0.0-rc-1.zip"). Hermann -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/VLC-and-GPL-and-LC-on-iOS-was-Re-MergEXT-now-included-with-Indy-Business-IDE-tp4704298p4704627.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: HTML5 LC Download Icon?
On 07/05/2016 02:09, Rick Harrison wrote: I’ve been playing around with HTML5 in the Community Version of LC 8. Although I think the small green LC App Download button is an interesting idea, I might want my users to only use the app online. I might not want them downloading it into their computer. They are already downloading it onto their computer in order to run it. You are distributing your app (and LiveCode!) to them, which means that under the terms of the GPLv3 you must provide them with the complete corresponding source code in the preferred form for modification. The convenient button helps you comply with the license. How do I disable that LC button which is part of the frame on the right side, or make it disappear altogether? Use LiveCode Indy or Commercial, or compile a version of the Open Source LiveCode HTML5 engine that doesn't include that piece of code. It also appears there is no way to store information in a permanent way in flat files or to a database, unless I’m missing something here. At the moment there's no persistence implemented, sorry. :-( Peter -- Dr Peter Brett LiveCode Open Source Team LiveCode 2016 Conference https://livecode.com/edinburgh-2016/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
