Re: Making Sense of Licenses (bounced when server went down)

[Mark Schonewille]

Ralph,

I did e-mail Heather. RunRev refuses to make trial copies available 
continuously. RunRev expects me to buy RunRev 5.0 without being able to test it 
first. Of course, they could decide differently, but they don't.

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On 26 okt 2011, at 22:20, Ralph DiMola wrote:

> 
> All I was saying was email them and state your case. If they can help
> they will. I had a license issue and Heather helped me resolve it.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> Phone: 518-636-3998 Ex:11
> Cell: 518-796-9332
> 
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RE: Making Sense of Licenses (bounced when server went down)

[Ralph DiMola]

All I was saying was email them and state your case. If they can help
they will. I had a license issue and Heather helped me resolve it.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
Phone: 518-636-3998 Ex:11
Cell: 518-796-9332


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[mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schonewille
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Subject: Re: Making Sense of Licenses (bounced when server went down)

So... you agree. With what exactly? Do you have any understanding of the
problem Mike, I and many others face? Do you mean it is stupid of me to
expect being able to download a trial version every time RunRev releases a
new version of LC? Is it stupid of me to expect at least one additional
major update when I pay hundreds of euros?

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On 26 okt 2011, at 21:30, Ralph DiMola wrote:

> I Have to agree. Heather worked with me when I was evaluating LC and also
> after I purchased LC. Dealing with Heather and whole crew has been a
> pleasure compared to the big SW vendors I deal with.
> 
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> Phone: 518-636-3998 Ex:11
> Cell: 518-796-9332
> 


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Re: Making Sense of Licenses (bounced when server went down)

[Mark Schonewille]

So... you agree. With what exactly? Do you have any understanding of the 
problem Mike, I and many others face? Do you mean it is stupid of me to expect 
being able to download a trial version every time RunRev releases a new version 
of LC? Is it stupid of me to expect at least one additional major update when I 
pay hundreds of euros?

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On 26 okt 2011, at 21:30, Ralph DiMola wrote:

> I Have to agree. Heather worked with me when I was evaluating LC and also
> after I purchased LC. Dealing with Heather and whole crew has been a
> pleasure compared to the big SW vendors I deal with.
> 
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> Phone: 518-636-3998 Ex:11
> Cell: 518-796-9332
> 


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RE: Making Sense of Licenses (bounced when server went down)

[Ralph DiMola]

I Have to agree. Heather worked with me when I was evaluating LC and also
after I purchased LC. Dealing with Heather and whole crew has been a
pleasure compared to the big SW vendors I deal with.


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
Phone: 518-636-3998 Ex:11
Cell: 518-796-9332

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[mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Peter Alcibiades
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 4:42 AM
To: use-revolut...@lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: Making Sense of Licenses

I've always found Rev very fair, even generous, on pricing, and when I've
contacted Heather on what my best option was she told me exactly what to buy
(or actually what not to buy!) to get best value in my circumstances.  Its
one reason why I'm still with Livecode and recommend them.  I am sure
whatever Heather works out will be fair.


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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[Peter Alcibiades]

it says talk to Heather, she will work out something that's fair, and it also
says stay with them because this is a long term thing.  It may be that some
things about pricing or licensing are not what you would like right now, but
over time it will be OK.  It also says that there are alternatives, but they
are not cost free.  They may not cost so much in money, Python is completely
free, but money is not the only thing you pay in.

I should have been a bit clearer, sorry, it was a bit self indulgent.  On
the specific license issue, what Heather told me to do was pretty much what
you advised.  Upgrade when clear you need to and skip a release if you are
not sure you need it.  

I think in the end this is about free versus commercial.  If you go
commercial there is a certain cost of staying current.  It can be minimised,
as you advise doing by choosing your releases carefully.  But in the end you
have to pay the price, so the decision is, are you prepared for this?   It
needs to be budgeted for. If the OP can't afford the price in money or does
not want to pay it, there is always Python. I thought long and hard about
Python when discontented with the Linux version, still do sometimes, but
stayed for the above reasons, and decided that I would budget for whatever
upgrades were needed.

My advice would be think hard, because this is a long term commitment both
in time and in money, and if you stay with Rev, be prepared for the
financial cost, which may be higher than you've been assuming.

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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Peter,

Good for you. How does your story help me solve my problem or help Mike to 
decide what to do (or even help OP answer his question ;-) ).

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On 21 okt 2011, at 10:41, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> I've always found Rev very fair, even generous, on pricing, and when I've
> contacted Heather on what my best option was she told me exactly what to buy
> (or actually what not to buy!) to get best value in my circumstances.  Its
> one reason why I'm still with Livecode and recommend them.  I am sure
> whatever Heather works out will be fair.
> 
> I do still regret the vanishing of Media, it was a really nice way of
> introducing people new to programming to the product, but one can understand
> that is not a very profitable market and companies do have to make a living. 
> And there seems to be a Linux premium of some sort now, don't really
> understand that.  On the other hand, when I got upgraded to 4x under the new
> licensing terms I was given the top kind of license with more stuff in it,
> so no complaints there, I think that was very fair.
> 
> There is always Python,and Mark Lutz' humongous great book like a huge pile
> of washing up that you know you are going to have to do either tonight or
> tomorrow morning.  That book stares at me reproachfully from my shelves
> every morning.  I think I might cover it up not to have to be reminded.  
> 
> Or R, which I feel about rather like St Augustine, "Lord make me good, but
> not yet".  You know you should.  Yes, yes I do.  Maybe tomorrow.


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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[Peter Alcibiades]

I've always found Rev very fair, even generous, on pricing, and when I've
contacted Heather on what my best option was she told me exactly what to buy
(or actually what not to buy!) to get best value in my circumstances.  Its
one reason why I'm still with Livecode and recommend them.  I am sure
whatever Heather works out will be fair.

I do still regret the vanishing of Media, it was a really nice way of
introducing people new to programming to the product, but one can understand
that is not a very profitable market and companies do have to make a living. 
And there seems to be a Linux premium of some sort now, don't really
understand that.  On the other hand, when I got upgraded to 4x under the new
licensing terms I was given the top kind of license with more stuff in it,
so no complaints there, I think that was very fair.

There is always Python,and Mark Lutz' humongous great book like a huge pile
of washing up that you know you are going to have to do either tonight or
tomorrow morning.  That book stares at me reproachfully from my shelves
every morning.  I think I might cover it up not to have to be reminded.  

Or R, which I feel about rather like St Augustine, "Lord make me good, but
not yet".  You know you should.  Yes, yes I do.  Maybe tomorrow.

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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[Maarten Koopmans]

...precisely why I renewed, because upgrade fees per component are not too
much compared with a new license. But, I have the dev program too, so far
worth the money, especially if you're doing mobile.

LC has a much more agressive release cycle these dats, with smaller
improvement coming faster in dot or dot-dot releases.

Personally, I kept my licenses up to date because it was not too expensive,
especially with the recently more agile release cycle. And FWIW: RunRev does
pay attention to the needs (e.g.  enhancements) of those opting in for the
dev program.

All in all, the last 6 months have been a pleasant experience - I think you
can see commitment from Heather's reactions as well.

--Maarten

On Thursday, October 20, 2011, Pete  wrote:
> Thanks Mark.  As you say, can't predict the future but good to know what
the
> current situation is, I guess the question should really be addressed to
> Heather.
>
> Pete
> Molly's Revenge 
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Mark Schonewille <
> m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Pete,
>>
>> You never know what future brings, but I believe you'd pay for a new
>> license instead of a renewal. If you wait yet another year, you'd still
pay
>> the same price for 7.0, which means you get all 6.0 features for free,
just
>> like any new customer.
>>
>> In my case, I'd pay for 5.0 after having waited a long time and in the
long
>> term I'm not paying more than otherwise but I won't get anything for free
>> either, because the previous big update was the 4.6 cycle, which I didn't
>> buy, and I'd just have to pay a little more for 5.0 (I hope you can
follow
>> what I'm saying).
>>
>> However, I'm not going to buy the full package. I'm only going to pay for
>> the components I really need and next year I will only update those
>> components that I really need. This way, I expect to pay roughly 250 or
300
>> euro per year instead of 500 for the subscription deal.
>>
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>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
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>>
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>> On 20 okt 2011, at 18:36, Pete wrote:
>>
>> > I'm curious as to what happens if you do this.  If I opt to not get my
>> > 5.0 upgrade, then when 6.0 comes out decide I want it, do I have to pay
>> the
>> > 6.0 upgrade fee AND the 5.0 upgrade fee?  I would guess yes otherwise
I'd
>> be
>> > getting the 5.0 fixes and enhancements for free.
>> > Pete
>> > Molly's Revenge 
>> >
>>
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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[Pete]

Thanks Mark.  As you say, can't predict the future but good to know what the
current situation is, I guess the question should really be addressed to
Heather.

Pete
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On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi Pete,
>
> You never know what future brings, but I believe you'd pay for a new
> license instead of a renewal. If you wait yet another year, you'd still pay
> the same price for 7.0, which means you get all 6.0 features for free, just
> like any new customer.
>
> In my case, I'd pay for 5.0 after having waited a long time and in the long
> term I'm not paying more than otherwise but I won't get anything for free
> either, because the previous big update was the 4.6 cycle, which I didn't
> buy, and I'd just have to pay a little more for 5.0 (I hope you can follow
> what I'm saying).
>
> However, I'm not going to buy the full package. I'm only going to pay for
> the components I really need and next year I will only update those
> components that I really need. This way, I expect to pay roughly 250 or 300
> euro per year instead of 500 for the subscription deal.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> See what you get with only a small contribution. All our LiveCode downloads
> are listed at http://qery.us/zr
>
> On 20 okt 2011, at 18:36, Pete wrote:
>
> > I'm curious as to what happens if you do this.  If I opt to not get my
> > 5.0 upgrade, then when 6.0 comes out decide I want it, do I have to pay
> the
> > 6.0 upgrade fee AND the 5.0 upgrade fee?  I would guess yes otherwise I'd
> be
> > getting the 5.0 fixes and enhancements for free.
> > Pete
> > Molly's Revenge 
> >
>
>
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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Pete,

You never know what future brings, but I believe you'd pay for a new license 
instead of a renewal. If you wait yet another year, you'd still pay the same 
price for 7.0, which means you get all 6.0 features for free, just like any new 
customer.

In my case, I'd pay for 5.0 after having waited a long time and in the long 
term I'm not paying more than otherwise but I won't get anything for free 
either, because the previous big update was the 4.6 cycle, which I didn't buy, 
and I'd just have to pay a little more for 5.0 (I hope you can follow what I'm 
saying).

However, I'm not going to buy the full package. I'm only going to pay for the 
components I really need and next year I will only update those components that 
I really need. This way, I expect to pay roughly 250 or 300 euro per year 
instead of 500 for the subscription deal.

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On 20 okt 2011, at 18:36, Pete wrote:

> I'm curious as to what happens if you do this.  If I opt to not get my
> 5.0 upgrade, then when 6.0 comes out decide I want it, do I have to pay the
> 6.0 upgrade fee AND the 5.0 upgrade fee?  I would guess yes otherwise I'd be
> getting the 5.0 fixes and enhancements for free.
> Pete
> Molly's Revenge 
> 


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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[Pete]

I'm curious as to what happens if you do this.  If I opt to not get my
5.0 upgrade, then when 6.0 comes out decide I want it, do I have to pay the
6.0 upgrade fee AND the 5.0 upgrade fee?  I would guess yes otherwise I'd be
getting the 5.0 fixes and enhancements for free.
Pete
Molly's Revenge 




On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

>
>
> My advice is: use the old version for making your stacks and buy a new
> version when you really need it, for example when you're ready to ship your
> project.
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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[Heather Nagey]

Please email me in supp...@runrev.com and I can help you work out what  
you need.


Regards,

Heather

On 20 Oct 2011, at 15:28, RevList wrote:

It seems my original post was hijacked with the first response and  
no one answered my question.
I need to know when my licenses expire and what it all means. Please  
point me in the right direction.


Stewart
I have to admit that I have not paid much attention to this lately  
so I may have missed something, and also, because my employer use  
to pay for my RunRev licenses, I didn't worry too much.  Things
have changed for me lately and it looks like if I want to continue  
developing using LiveCode, I am going to have to maintain the  
licensing costs myself.


This is under Commercial License Options

When I log in to my account, I see I have purchased
LiveCode Development Tools
Mobile Deployment: iOS
Mobile Deployment: Android
Mobile Deployment: Win 6.5 (Pre-Release)

Beside the following, I am seeing "Update Addon"
Desktop Deployment: Mac + Windows // $129
Desktop Deployment Linux // $129
Web Deployment // $99

And "Buy addon" for
Server Deployment // $299
Livecode Box // $15

The last two make sense, never purchased.

What does the second category mean?  Does this mean that my license  
has expired, and if I want to be able to deply stand alone apps for  
Mac, Windows and Linux I have to pay?

Is the Web Deployment the web plugin?

How long is the license good for?
How can I find out when the other licenses expire?

Thanks in advance is someone can point me to where this is explained.


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RE: Making Sense of Licenses

[Lynn Fredricks]

> But the price of the omega bundle, together with earning 
> deployment options in the summer academy was just too 
> enticing. I gave in and spent the money. However, for my 
> troubles, I lost my main client due to the web deployment 
> module simply not working.
> 
> You can see why I am a bit jaded. 

I can understand that frustration, especially nowadays when its really hard
to get those good new contracts. I don't think I would have taken on a
project using tools that I wasn't completely familiar with, unless the
client was insistent on using that particular tool.

I had a project hit a brick wall for similar reasons (NOT with LC, but with
another product), though entirely on my own dime. What made it worse was
that there was no hope for improvement, because the vendor insisted that
there was an undocumented OS level limitation (that the vendor knew about,
but did not document in their documentation). Since it was an OS limitation,
they would not consider any workaround. That's to say, they could have
resolved the limitation so that it worked exactly the same way on all
deployments, but would not because of specifics of operating systems. To me,
that was 100% contrary to the concept of "build once, deploy everywhere".

LC 5 is a really big upgrade - a key upgrade if you are deploying
graphically rich apps to mobile. There's only so much they can do in a
release, and as anyone who has used LC or RR for a long time will confirm,
ungrading the underlying graphics architecture is a really big deal. I live
in the world of databases more than anything and it excites me :-)

Just to toss out an idea, and depending on your time commitments, you might
consider starting with a useful desktop utility of some kind, or client
based utility. Having multiple irons in the fire really help when contracts
come and go.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[Richard Gaskin]

Admin wrote:


Oh. In every other program I have purchased, including
software IDEs, it is almost always common to get a year (or more) of
updates, so it was kind of assumed. For some reason, I thought I
upgraded to complete, but you are right about me upgrading to Gold. I
checked my purchases. Truth be told, I have not had Live Code that long
and had no idea 5 was 'around the corner' considering how much I plunked
down (although it was still a good deal). I would have waited if I knew
that. I wish there was a product version cycle countdown timer or
something. I mean, you went from 4.6 to 5. What happened to 4.7, 4.8 and
4.9 (lol).


Why not just skip a version or two?

If you wait a year before upgrading you'll get a year's worth of 
enhancements.


I love using LiveCode, but ALL software I purchase here is evaluated in 
terms of how well it does the work I need to do today.


I stopped automatically upgrading software many years ago, from all 
vendors, including Apple, Adobe, and even RunRev.


I do generally stay current with LiveCode, but over the years I've 
skipped a version or two if it didn't solve a problem I couldn't solve 
with what I already had.


No harm, no foul. Buy what you need and you'll always have what you 
need.  Buy only what you need and you can enjoy a longer vacation. :)


--
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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Mike,

I think everybody got a good deal on the Gold edition, exactly because 5.0 was 
around the corner. Pay for 4.6, then pay again for 5.0 or pay extra for "free" 
updates. A "very good" deal always has a catch. Ultimately it doesn't matter 
much whether you accept a special offer or pay for a regular license, but 
regular licenses give you the freedom to wait a little longer before spending 
your money.

My advice is: use the old version for making your stacks and buy a new version 
when you really need it, for example when you're ready to ship your project. 
There is no harm in skipping 12 months of payments, except that a new license 
may be more expensive than a renewal, but then you could decide to just wait 
another 6 months to balance that out. If your project takes a year to finish, 
you'll be happy that you waited, because now you can buy 5.1 or perhaps 6.0.

5.0 is going in some direction and 6.0 will be going in that direction a little 
more, making 5.0 obsolete, or maybe it'll go into a completely different 
direction, giving you another unpleasant surprise. Hard to tell. 

Don't let anyone force you to upgrade. Whenever I am in doubt, I keep the money 
in my pocket. I suggest you do the same.

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On 20 okt 2011, at 17:11, Mike Felker wrote:

> In all fairness, I attended the summer academy and earned quite a few 
> upgrades/deployment options for free and then they offered me a great deal on 
> the gold option. If it were not for the buginess of the web deployment module 
> and the incompleteness of the android deployment module, I would be far more 
> satisfied than I am. I am just surprised by the version upgrade. I did not 
> see it coming. It was a well kept secret and the time frame just does not 
> seem that long since I opted for the gold edition. 
> 
> So, I am on the fence here. Do I upgrade or not. Fact is, I really like live 
> code as a language. For that reason, I am unwilling to totally step away. Its 
> just that I am severely low on funds, so upgrading ALL my deployment options 
> is impossible for me.
> 
> I fear that if I upgrade to 5.0 I will not be able to deploy to anything 
> except pc and Mac unless I pony up the money for each deployment option a la 
> carte. Believe me, if I could afford $800 per year, I would opt for the 
> complete option. However, times are tough for everyone and I am simply not 
> making the kind of money I wad just a year ago. 
> 
> I am at an empass. Everything I want to create is audio visual in nature and 
> the new 5.0 seems to be going in that direction. 
> 
> Grr. 
> 
> Mike


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RE: Making Sense of Licenses

[Mike Felker]

Funny thing is, of all the goodies offered in the omega bundle, I bought it for 
live code, android and Franklin 3d. The SQL yoga seemed cool, but I have yet to 
use it. It was easier for me to just code the MySQL directly inside live code. 
It was all very straight forward and easy. 

But the price of the omega bundle, together with earning deployment options in 
the summer academy was just too enticing. I gave in and spent the money. 
However, for my troubles, I lost my main client due to the web deployment 
module simply not working.

You can see why I am a bit jaded. 

Mike

Lynn Fredricks  wrote:

>> I'd like to re-iterate however, that we certainly never 
>> promised a year of updates with the Omega bundle. The only 
>> license type we sell that carries a year of updates is the 
>> Complete license.
>
>The Omegabundle included "Pro" 1 desktop and 1 mobile, which came to a $499
>value (at the time). I don't think the Complete was in existence back in
>April, 2011.
>
>Each component of the Omegabundle was licensed according to whatever is the
>publisher norm. For example, Valentina ADK, Valentina Studio and Franklin 3D
>all include 12 months, because that's the only way those are sold. .com
>Solutions FmPro Migrator Platinum Edition has its own special form of
>licensing. You can see everything that was included here:
>
>http://www.omegabundle.com/news/95-omegabundle-2011-for-livecode-released
>
>There really isn't a norm any more in licensing, though I think contrary to
>what the experts say about product pricing strategy, many software companies
>price/license according to their costs rather than according to customer
>value.
>
>Subscription pricing (getting all updates during X amount of time) is
>attractive for many reasons - as a vendor, because it allows you to charge
>beyond the perceived base price. Customers perceive there's more value in
>this if there are many updates. Even very savvy customers such as LiveCode
>buyers - folks who know just how expensive / time consuming / difficult
>fixing and improving support for feature X in a dev tool - are as likely as
>any to think this way, even though its contrary to what they know as
>developers themselves.
>
>My point? Regardless of whatever pricing model makes sense for your
>business, we all still operate with some base expectations that may be
>contrary to our base understanding. The New York steak looks bigger than the
>fillet but that doesn't mean it's a tastier or more satisfying  steak ;-)
>
>Best regards,
>
>Lynn Fredricks
>President
>Paradigma Software
>http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
>Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 
>
>
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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[Mike Felker]

In all fairness, I attended the summer academy and earned quite a few 
upgrades/deployment options for free and then they offered me a great deal on 
the gold option. If it were not for the buginess of the web deployment module 
and the incompleteness of the android deployment module, I would be far more 
satisfied than I am. I am just surprised by the version upgrade. I did not see 
it coming. It was a well kept secret and the time frame just does not seem that 
long since I opted for the gold edition. 

So, I am on the fence here. Do I upgrade or not. Fact is, I really like live 
code as a language. For that reason, I am unwilling to totally step away. Its 
just that I am severely low on funds, so upgrading ALL my deployment options is 
impossible for me.

I fear that if I upgrade to 5.0 I will not be able to deploy to anything except 
pc and Mac unless I pony up the money for each deployment option a la carte. 
Believe me, if I could afford $800 per year, I would opt for the complete 
option. However, times are tough for everyone and I am simply not making the 
kind of money I wad just a year ago. 

I am at an empass. Everything I want to create is audio visual in nature and 
the new 5.0 seems to be going in that direction. 

Grr. 

Mike

Mark Schonewille  wrote:

>Hi Mike,
>
>I agree. It would be nice to either know what to expect or get free updates 
>for a reasonable amount of time. RealStudio offers 3 months of updates for 
>free. That's reasonable and avoids unexpected surprises. Thus I didn't need to 
>think long before buying my RealStudio license.
>
>When I paid for my Revolution Enterprise license in 2009, I got one single 
>major update (4.0) two months after buying my license. I felt this was 
>actually the version I had paid for, because I already had the previous 
>version (3.5). I felt I was entitled to at least one more major update, 
>because I had paid so much money. The next major update (4.5) was released 
>right after my license expired, while I personally felt I had actually paid 
>for that next update. That's very unpleasant and makes me feel I wasted my 
>money (and that's a very friendly way to describe my feelings).
>
>Currently, I am trying to decide whether to buy 5.0, but it is very difficult, 
>without information about what to expect, no free updates, no trial versions 
>even (I got free trial versions for older versions and am grateful for those, 
>but the trials only made me find essential bugs and I had to decide to wait). 
>I kind of accidentally asked RunRev to help me solve this problem, but 
>although I did get a few extra trial versions, it was to no avail.
>
>I asked RealStudio what they think. Although I'm not sure I should quote them, 
>it seems they just can't imagine that the number of LiveCode trial versions is 
>limited.
>
>--
>Best regards,
>
>Mark Schonewille
>
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>Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>KvK: 50277553
>
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>are listed at http://qery.us/zr
>
>On 20 okt 2011, at 14:36, Admin wrote:
>
>> 
>> 
>> Heather, 
>> 
>> Oh. In every other program I have purchased, including
>> software IDEs, it is almost always common to get a year (or more) of
>> updates, so it was kind of assumed. For some reason, I thought I
>> upgraded to complete, but you are right about me upgrading to Gold. I
>> checked my purchases. Truth be told, I have not had Live Code that long
>> and had no idea 5 was 'around the corner' considering how much I plunked
>> down (although it was still a good deal). I would have waited if I knew
>> that. I wish there was a product version cycle countdown timer or
>> something. I mean, you went from 4.6 to 5. What happened to 4.7, 4.8 and
>> 4.9 (lol). 
>> 
>> Mike 
>> 
>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:41:10 +0100, Heather
>> Nagey wrote: 
>> 
>>> I'm rather concerned about this. The Omega bundle did
>> not include a 
>>> year of updates, and if anyone told you it did, they
>> were misinformed, 
>>> and giving you incorrect advice. Can you point to
>> where this 
>>> information was provided?
>>> 
>>> I've checked your license
>> entitlement, and your upgrade was to the 
>>> Gold bundle, with a very
>> substantial discount applied due to the free 
>>> platforms you earned
>> during the Summer Academy. The Gold bundle does 
>>> not carry an extended
>> upgrade entitlement, only the Complete license 
>>> offers this. Your
>> upgrade was quite close to the cut off date for 
>>> getting LiveCode 5
>> free however. If you email me in support directly 
>>> we might come to
>> some kind of arrangement.
>>> 
>>> I'd like to re-iterate however, that we
>> certainly never promised a 
>>> year of updates with the Omega bundle. The
>> only license type we sell 
>>> that carries a year of updates is the
>> Complete license.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Heather
>
>
>_

RE: Making Sense of Licenses

[Lynn Fredricks]

> I'd like to re-iterate however, that we certainly never 
> promised a year of updates with the Omega bundle. The only 
> license type we sell that carries a year of updates is the 
> Complete license.

The Omegabundle included "Pro" 1 desktop and 1 mobile, which came to a $499
value (at the time). I don't think the Complete was in existence back in
April, 2011.

Each component of the Omegabundle was licensed according to whatever is the
publisher norm. For example, Valentina ADK, Valentina Studio and Franklin 3D
all include 12 months, because that's the only way those are sold. .com
Solutions FmPro Migrator Platinum Edition has its own special form of
licensing. You can see everything that was included here:

http://www.omegabundle.com/news/95-omegabundle-2011-for-livecode-released

There really isn't a norm any more in licensing, though I think contrary to
what the experts say about product pricing strategy, many software companies
price/license according to their costs rather than according to customer
value.

Subscription pricing (getting all updates during X amount of time) is
attractive for many reasons - as a vendor, because it allows you to charge
beyond the perceived base price. Customers perceive there's more value in
this if there are many updates. Even very savvy customers such as LiveCode
buyers - folks who know just how expensive / time consuming / difficult
fixing and improving support for feature X in a dev tool - are as likely as
any to think this way, even though its contrary to what they know as
developers themselves.

My point? Regardless of whatever pricing model makes sense for your
business, we all still operate with some base expectations that may be
contrary to our base understanding. The New York steak looks bigger than the
fillet but that doesn't mean it's a tastier or more satisfying  steak ;-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[Mike Felker]

I would talk to Heather at runrev directly to get your answer.  To me, the 
answer seems to be "depends".

Mike

RevList  wrote:

>It seems my original post was hijacked with the first response and no one 
>answered my question.
>I need to know when my licenses expire and what it all means. Please point me 
>in the right direction.
>
>Stewart
>>I have to admit that I have not paid much attention to this lately so I may 
>>have missed something, and also, because my employer use to pay for my RunRev 
>>licenses, I didn't worry too much.  Things
>>have changed for me lately and it looks like if I want to continue developing 
>>using LiveCode, I am going to have to maintain the licensing costs myself.
>>
>>This is under Commercial License Options
>>
>>When I log in to my account, I see I have purchased
>>LiveCode Development Tools
>>Mobile Deployment: iOS
>>Mobile Deployment: Android
>>Mobile Deployment: Win 6.5 (Pre-Release)
>>
>>Beside the following, I am seeing "Update Addon"
>>Desktop Deployment: Mac + Windows // $129
>>Desktop Deployment Linux // $129
>>Web Deployment // $99
>>
>>And "Buy addon" for
>>Server Deployment // $299
>>Livecode Box // $15
>>
>>The last two make sense, never purchased.
>>
>>What does the second category mean?  Does this mean that my license has 
>>expired, and if I want to be able to deply stand alone apps for Mac, Windows 
>>and Linux I have to pay?
>>Is the Web Deployment the web plugin?
>>
>>How long is the license good for?
>>How can I find out when the other licenses expire?
>>
>>Thanks in advance is someone can point me to where this is explained.
>
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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[Keith Clarke]

Licences do not expire - only the right to free updates. These, in turn, depend 
on exactly what you bought, when and whether you specifically purchased an an 
active renewal pack (or are living in the grace period from your original/last 
order).

Any recent order will have the updates grace period in your confirmation email. 
If you bought more than a few months ago, your grace period will be over but 
your account will confirm whether you have an active renewal pack 
http://www.runrev.com/store/account/login 

Otherwise (or if in doubt) email supp...@runrev.com
HTH
Keith.. 

On 20 Oct 2011, at 15:28, RevList wrote:

> It seems my original post was hijacked with the first response and no one 
> answered my question.
> I need to know when my licenses expire and what it all means. Please point me 
> in the right direction.
> 
> Stewart


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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[RevList]

It seems my original post was hijacked with the first response and no one 
answered my question.
I need to know when my licenses expire and what it all means. Please point me 
in the right direction.

Stewart
>I have to admit that I have not paid much attention to this lately so I may 
>have missed something, and also, because my employer use to pay for my RunRev 
>licenses, I didn't worry too much.  Things
>have changed for me lately and it looks like if I want to continue developing 
>using LiveCode, I am going to have to maintain the licensing costs myself.
>
>This is under Commercial License Options
>
>When I log in to my account, I see I have purchased
>LiveCode Development Tools
>Mobile Deployment: iOS
>Mobile Deployment: Android
>Mobile Deployment: Win 6.5 (Pre-Release)
>
>Beside the following, I am seeing "Update Addon"
>Desktop Deployment: Mac + Windows // $129
>Desktop Deployment Linux // $129
>Web Deployment // $99
>
>And "Buy addon" for
>Server Deployment // $299
>Livecode Box // $15
>
>The last two make sense, never purchased.
>
>What does the second category mean?  Does this mean that my license has 
>expired, and if I want to be able to deply stand alone apps for Mac, Windows 
>and Linux I have to pay?
>Is the Web Deployment the web plugin?
>
>How long is the license good for?
>How can I find out when the other licenses expire?
>
>Thanks in advance is someone can point me to where this is explained.

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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Mike,

I agree. It would be nice to either know what to expect or get free updates for 
a reasonable amount of time. RealStudio offers 3 months of updates for free. 
That's reasonable and avoids unexpected surprises. Thus I didn't need to think 
long before buying my RealStudio license.

When I paid for my Revolution Enterprise license in 2009, I got one single 
major update (4.0) two months after buying my license. I felt this was actually 
the version I had paid for, because I already had the previous version (3.5). I 
felt I was entitled to at least one more major update, because I had paid so 
much money. The next major update (4.5) was released right after my license 
expired, while I personally felt I had actually paid for that next update. 
That's very unpleasant and makes me feel I wasted my money (and that's a very 
friendly way to describe my feelings).

Currently, I am trying to decide whether to buy 5.0, but it is very difficult, 
without information about what to expect, no free updates, no trial versions 
even (I got free trial versions for older versions and am grateful for those, 
but the trials only made me find essential bugs and I had to decide to wait). I 
kind of accidentally asked RunRev to help me solve this problem, but although I 
did get a few extra trial versions, it was to no avail.

I asked RealStudio what they think. Although I'm not sure I should quote them, 
it seems they just can't imagine that the number of LiveCode trial versions is 
limited.

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On 20 okt 2011, at 14:36, Admin wrote:

> 
> 
> Heather, 
> 
> Oh. In every other program I have purchased, including
> software IDEs, it is almost always common to get a year (or more) of
> updates, so it was kind of assumed. For some reason, I thought I
> upgraded to complete, but you are right about me upgrading to Gold. I
> checked my purchases. Truth be told, I have not had Live Code that long
> and had no idea 5 was 'around the corner' considering how much I plunked
> down (although it was still a good deal). I would have waited if I knew
> that. I wish there was a product version cycle countdown timer or
> something. I mean, you went from 4.6 to 5. What happened to 4.7, 4.8 and
> 4.9 (lol). 
> 
> Mike 
> 
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:41:10 +0100, Heather
> Nagey wrote: 
> 
>> I'm rather concerned about this. The Omega bundle did
> not include a 
>> year of updates, and if anyone told you it did, they
> were misinformed, 
>> and giving you incorrect advice. Can you point to
> where this 
>> information was provided?
>> 
>> I've checked your license
> entitlement, and your upgrade was to the 
>> Gold bundle, with a very
> substantial discount applied due to the free 
>> platforms you earned
> during the Summer Academy. The Gold bundle does 
>> not carry an extended
> upgrade entitlement, only the Complete license 
>> offers this. Your
> upgrade was quite close to the cut off date for 
>> getting LiveCode 5
> free however. If you email me in support directly 
>> we might come to
> some kind of arrangement.
>> 
>> I'd like to re-iterate however, that we
> certainly never promised a 
>> year of updates with the Omega bundle. The
> only license type we sell 
>> that carries a year of updates is the
> Complete license.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Heather


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[Admin]

  

Heather, 

Oh. In every other program I have purchased, including
software IDEs, it is almost always common to get a year (or more) of
updates, so it was kind of assumed. For some reason, I thought I
upgraded to complete, but you are right about me upgrading to Gold. I
checked my purchases. Truth be told, I have not had Live Code that long
and had no idea 5 was 'around the corner' considering how much I plunked
down (although it was still a good deal). I would have waited if I knew
that. I wish there was a product version cycle countdown timer or
something. I mean, you went from 4.6 to 5. What happened to 4.7, 4.8 and
4.9 (lol). 

Mike 

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:41:10 +0100, Heather
Nagey wrote: 

> I'm rather concerned about this. The Omega bundle did
not include a 
> year of updates, and if anyone told you it did, they
were misinformed, 
> and giving you incorrect advice. Can you point to
where this 
> information was provided?
> 
> I've checked your license
entitlement, and your upgrade was to the 
> Gold bundle, with a very
substantial discount applied due to the free 
> platforms you earned
during the Summer Academy. The Gold bundle does 
> not carry an extended
upgrade entitlement, only the Complete license 
> offers this. Your
upgrade was quite close to the cut off date for 
> getting LiveCode 5
free however. If you email me in support directly 
> we might come to
some kind of arrangement.
> 
> I'd like to re-iterate however, that we
certainly never promised a 
> year of updates with the Omega bundle. The
only license type we sell 
> that carries a year of updates is the
Complete license.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> On 20 Oct 2011, at
05:47, Admin wrote:
> 
>> To add to the below questions: I paid for a
year of updates, or so I thought, when I bought the Omega Bundle much
less than a year ago. Yet, now I have to pay. As someone who has NO
money and would like to finish what I started, I was under the
impression I was due for a bunch more updates. To somewhat answer the
below questions: I understand that I have 4.6 and anything I make with
that, and deploy using, will still work, but with all the bugs in the
4.x versions/deployment options and the promise of added features and
bug fixes in 5.0, I feel truly slighted. To make matters worse, I
upgraded to complete and only a couple of months later, now I have to
pay for all updates. (namely, you don't have to update and spend money
unless you want the 5.0 features. However, since things were left
unfinished, it seems like you HAVE TO pay for the update just to get
what you paid for the version before - and even that is not guaranteed).
That is the main reason I am so upset. I wish Runrev would man up and
not promise a year of updates and a few months later renig. Mike On Wed,
19 Oct 2011 19:51:23 -0700, RevList wrote: 
>> 
>>> I have to admit that
I have not paid much
>> attention to this lately so I may have missed
something, and also, because my employer use to pay for my RunRev
licenses, I didn't worry too much. Things 
>> 
>>> have changed for me
lately and it looks like if I
>> want to continue developing using
LiveCode, I am going to have to maintain the licensing costs myself.
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>> 
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[Mark Schonewille]

Ian,

Hence "if". I hope Mike will tell what actually happened, after sorting it out 
with Heather.

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> According to Heather, he didn't upgrade to Complete but to some other bundle.
> 
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According to Heather, he didn't upgrade to Complete but to some other bundle.

Ian

On 20 Oct 2011, at 12:17, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> If you upgraded to Complete a few months ago... shouldn't you be receiving 
> updates for one year without having to pay again? If not, then I'm so happy I 
> didn't upgrade to Complete because I don't understand what Complete is all 
> about!


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[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Mike,

Basically, you are saying you feel you must buy 5.0 because it is better than 
4.6. I am sure that 5.0 contains many bugs and lacks many features, just like 
4.6. The difference is that a few bugs were fixed and a few features added, 
while a few more features, of which you didn't previously know you needed them, 
were also added in 5.0. Meanwhile, new bugs were created and more features are 
still waiting to be added.

I'm sure, you will have exactly the same feeling when 6.0 comes out. It is OK 
to wait a year and see what happens. Don't assume that you need 5.0. Maybe you 
don't. Pay RunRev only when you think they deserve it. If you find yourself in 
a situation where you can build a standalone but not for that one particular 
platform, perhaps you could ask someone to help you.

If you upgraded to Complete a few months ago... shouldn't you be receiving 
updates for one year without having to pay again? If not, then I'm so happy I 
didn't upgrade to Complete because I don't understand what Complete is all 
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On 20 okt 2011, at 06:47, Admin wrote:

> To add to the below questions: 
> 
> I paid for a year of updates, or
> so I thought, when I bought the Omega Bundle much less than a year ago.
> Yet, now I have to pay. As someone who has NO money and would like to
> finish what I started, I was under the impression I was due for a bunch
> more updates. 
> 
> To somewhat answer the below questions: 
> 
> I understand
> that I have 4.6 and anything I make with that, and deploy using, will
> still work, but with all the bugs in the 4.x versions/deployment options
> and the promise of added features and bug fixes in 5.0, I feel truly
> slighted. To make matters worse, I upgraded to complete and only a
> couple of months later, now I have to pay for all updates. (namely, you
> don't have to update and spend money unless you want the 5.0 features.
> However, since things were left unfinished, it seems like you HAVE TO
> pay for the update just to get what you paid for the version before -
> and even that is not guaranteed). 
> 
> That is the main reason I am so
> upset. 
> 
> I wish Runrev would man up and not promise a year of updates
> and a few months later renig. 
> 
> Mike 
> 


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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[Heather Nagey]

I'm rather concerned about this. The Omega bundle did not include a  
year of updates, and if anyone told you it did, they were misinformed,  
and giving you incorrect advice. Can you point to where this  
information was provided?


I've checked your license entitlement, and your upgrade was to the  
Gold bundle, with a very substantial discount applied due to the free  
platforms you earned during the Summer Academy. The Gold bundle does  
not carry an extended upgrade entitlement, only the Complete license  
offers this. Your upgrade was quite close to the cut off date for  
getting LiveCode 5 free however. If you email me in support directly  
we might come to some kind of arrangement.


I'd like to re-iterate however, that we certainly never promised a  
year of updates with the Omega bundle. The only license type we sell  
that carries a year of updates is the Complete license.


Regards,

Heather

On 20 Oct 2011, at 05:47, Admin wrote:




To add to the below questions:

I paid for a year of updates, or
so I thought, when I bought the Omega Bundle much less than a year  
ago.

Yet, now I have to pay. As someone who has NO money and would like to
finish what I started, I was under the impression I was due for a  
bunch

more updates.

To somewhat answer the below questions:

I understand
that I have 4.6 and anything I make with that, and deploy using, will
still work, but with all the bugs in the 4.x versions/deployment  
options

and the promise of added features and bug fixes in 5.0, I feel truly
slighted. To make matters worse, I upgraded to complete and only a
couple of months later, now I have to pay for all updates. (namely,  
you

don't have to update and spend money unless you want the 5.0 features.
However, since things were left unfinished, it seems like you HAVE TO
pay for the update just to get what you paid for the version before -
and even that is not guaranteed).

That is the main reason I am so
upset.

I wish Runrev would man up and not promise a year of updates
and a few months later renig.

Mike

On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:51:23
-0700, RevList wrote:


I have to admit that I have not paid much

attention to this lately so I may have missed something, and also,
because my employer use to pay for my RunRev licenses, I didn't worry
too much. Things

have changed for me lately and it looks like if I

want to continue developing using LiveCode, I am going to have to
maintain the licensing costs myself.


This is under Commercial

License Options


When I log in to my account, I see I have

purchased

LiveCode Development Tools
Mobile Deployment: iOS
Mobile

Deployment: Android

Mobile Deployment: Win 6.5 (Pre-Release)



Beside the following, I am seeing "Update Addon"

Desktop Deployment:

Mac + Windows // $129

Desktop Deployment Linux // $129
Web

Deployment // $99


And "Buy addon" for
Server Deployment // $299


Livecode Box // $15


The last two make sense, never purchased.



What does the second category mean? Does this mean that my license has
expired, and if I want to be able to deply stand alone apps for Mac,
Windows and Linux I have to pay?

Is the Web Deployment the web

plugin?


How long is the license good for?
How can I find out when

the other licenses expire?


Thanks in advance is someone can point

me to where this is explained.




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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[Ian Wood]

On 20 Oct 2011, at 03:51, RevList wrote:

> What does the second category mean?  Does this mean that my license has 
> expired, and if I want to be able to deply stand alone apps for Mac, Windows 
> and Linux I have to pay?

Whatever version of LiveCode you have will continue to work. If you have 
previously bought desktop deployment that should still be working.


> Is the Web Deployment the web plugin?

Yes.

> How long is the license good for?
> How can I find out when the other licenses expire?

Probably best to get in touch with RunRev directly.

Ian
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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[Ian Wood]

Did the omega bundle include updates?

Have you contacted RunRev about this? I'm paid up until 2015 but LC 5.0.0 
wasn't showing up as a downloadable item, they fixed this within a couple of 
hours of my contacting them.

Ian

On 20 Oct 2011, at 05:47, Admin wrote:

> I wish Runrev would man up and not promise a year of updates
> and a few months later renig. 


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Re: Making Sense of Licenses

[Admin]

  

To add to the below questions: 

I paid for a year of updates, or
so I thought, when I bought the Omega Bundle much less than a year ago.
Yet, now I have to pay. As someone who has NO money and would like to
finish what I started, I was under the impression I was due for a bunch
more updates. 

To somewhat answer the below questions: 

I understand
that I have 4.6 and anything I make with that, and deploy using, will
still work, but with all the bugs in the 4.x versions/deployment options
and the promise of added features and bug fixes in 5.0, I feel truly
slighted. To make matters worse, I upgraded to complete and only a
couple of months later, now I have to pay for all updates. (namely, you
don't have to update and spend money unless you want the 5.0 features.
However, since things were left unfinished, it seems like you HAVE TO
pay for the update just to get what you paid for the version before -
and even that is not guaranteed). 

That is the main reason I am so
upset. 

I wish Runrev would man up and not promise a year of updates
and a few months later renig. 

Mike 

On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:51:23
-0700, RevList wrote: 

> I have to admit that I have not paid much
attention to this lately so I may have missed something, and also,
because my employer use to pay for my RunRev licenses, I didn't worry
too much. Things
> have changed for me lately and it looks like if I
want to continue developing using LiveCode, I am going to have to
maintain the licensing costs myself.
> 
> This is under Commercial
License Options
> 
> When I log in to my account, I see I have
purchased
> LiveCode Development Tools
> Mobile Deployment: iOS
> Mobile
Deployment: Android
> Mobile Deployment: Win 6.5 (Pre-Release)
> 
>
Beside the following, I am seeing "Update Addon"
> Desktop Deployment:
Mac + Windows // $129
> Desktop Deployment Linux // $129
> Web
Deployment // $99
> 
> And "Buy addon" for
> Server Deployment // $299
>
Livecode Box // $15
> 
> The last two make sense, never purchased.
> 
>
What does the second category mean? Does this mean that my license has
expired, and if I want to be able to deply stand alone apps for Mac,
Windows and Linux I have to pay?
> Is the Web Deployment the web
plugin?
> 
> How long is the license good for?
> How can I find out when
the other licenses expire?
> 
> Thanks in advance is someone can point
me to where this is explained.
> 
>
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