Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-10-11 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
"a few weeks" was also last october, then november, then last december.
i get it, i'm starting to sound like one of the grumpy old guys.
i'm also one who threw down for an html5 license (waiting for it to be
usable), and paid for a compiler license, what, eleven months ago?
i used to dismiss all the folks who complained about lc-forever, or
ic-reinvented, or whatever the campaign was from was it a decade ago when
lc went OSS? it can't be a decade ago.
unfortunately, the fact is that the sales pitches, year-after-year, are all
pay now, get later, and we seem to be left waiting, each time.

On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 2:24 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> On 10/11/23 10:28 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote:
> > However, the development process would need an interface that works in a
> well documented,
> > straightforward way
>
> Right. I tried LC Create for a few days but without documentation I didn't
> get very far. I
> couldn't figure out what syntax to use on all the new widgets and after
> some hours I gave up.
>
> Every new control should have at least a list of messages/functions it
> uses. Without that,
> about all you can to is play with layouts for now. That's not an
> insignificant thing, but it is
> limiting.
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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-10-11 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

On 10/11/23 10:28 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote:
However, the development process would need an interface that works in a well documented, 
straightforward way


Right. I tried LC Create for a few days but without documentation I didn't get very far. I 
couldn't figure out what syntax to use on all the new widgets and after some hours I gave up.


Every new control should have at least a list of messages/functions it uses. Without that, 
about all you can to is play with layouts for now. That's not an insignificant thing, but it is 
limiting.


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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-10-11 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
On October 7th 2022, Kevin said that there would be a preview of the script
compiler in the next few weeks.
Thats the last update I found in the blog.
Software is hard, and we all miss deadlines, but an update would be good.
I tried to reach out to Mark W to get an update, but received no response.


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> Just my take,
> I'm just currently using livecode to write personal software. The various
> issues related to the app store and compatibility with other platforms are
> not something I have time or energy for. I'm retired and like to work on
> fun, rewarding projects, not frustrating searches for the one setting that
> will move me forward.
>
> However, the possibility that Livecode might become a platform for
> developing web applications is extremely interesting to me. It would
> encourage me to develop and post interactive learning games that I've
> thought about. However, the development process would need an interface
> that works in a well documented, straightforward way without the need to
> learn auxiliary programs (E.g. Javascript, php, python, c++, etc).
>
> If I could write a program in livecode that deploys as easily as currently
> possible on my own desktop, I would be very overjoyed.
>
> Bill
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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-10-11 Thread William Prothero via use-livecode
Just my take,
I'm just currently using livecode to write personal software. The various 
issues related to the app store and compatibility with other platforms are not 
something I have time or energy for. I'm retired and like to work on fun, 
rewarding projects, not frustrating searches for the one setting that will move 
me forward. 

However, the possibility that Livecode might become a platform for developing 
web applications is extremely interesting to me. It would encourage me to 
develop and post interactive learning games that I've thought about. However, 
the development process would need an interface that works in a well 
documented, straightforward way without the need to learn auxiliary programs 
(E.g. Javascript, php, python, c++, etc).

If I could write a program in livecode that deploys as easily as currently 
possible on my own desktop, I would be very overjoyed.

Bill
William A. Prothero, PhD
Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
University of California, Santa Barbara

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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-10-11 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
I am afraid the whole power is put into the Web platform. 
And i am not sure how i should feel about it.



> Am 11.10.2023 um 15:21 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> it's october. do you know where the script compiler and usable html5 are?
> 
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 12:10 PM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Sad update: it's just happened to me again, with Bracket Completion
>> switched
>> off. I literally checked just before starting to type the format
>> statement;
>> after it crashed and I relaunched 10.0.0.dp5, I checked again. It was
>> still
>> switched off.
>> 
>> I see that the bug is marked awaiting release - but it's not mentioned in
>> the
>> release notes for 10.0.0dp6.
>> 
>> :-(
>> 
>> 
>> On 26/07/2023 09:58, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Oooh - I hadn't spotted that. (With only a little bit of fear) I'll
>> venture
>>> back into 10dp5 and turn that off. Thanks Geoff!
>>> 
>>> On 26/07/2023 03:49, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
 So, not to be too much of an apologist, but the issue doesn't seem like
>> a
 showstopper to me.
 
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> 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe a silly question, but that issue lists "turn on bracket
>> completion"
>> as a step to reproduce. If bracket completion is off, is it safe?
> 
> Hi, Geoff. I filed the report. With bracket completion off, I saw no
>> such
> problem.
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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-10-11 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
it's october. do you know where the script compiler and usable html5 are?

On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 12:10 PM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sad update: it's just happened to me again, with Bracket Completion
> switched
> off. I literally checked just before starting to type the format
> statement;
> after it crashed and I relaunched 10.0.0.dp5, I checked again. It was
> still
> switched off.
>
> I see that the bug is marked awaiting release - but it's not mentioned in
> the
> release notes for 10.0.0dp6.
>
> :-(
>
>
> On 26/07/2023 09:58, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
> > Oooh - I hadn't spotted that. (With only a little bit of fear) I'll
> venture
> > back into 10dp5 and turn that off. Thanks Geoff!
> >
> > On 26/07/2023 03:49, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
> >> So, not to be too much of an apologist, but the issue doesn't seem like
> a
> >> showstopper to me.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 10:36 AM Dick Kriesel via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>  Maybe a silly question, but that issue lists "turn on bracket
> completion"
>  as a step to reproduce. If bracket completion is off, is it safe?
> >>>
> >>> Hi, Geoff. I filed the report. With bracket completion off, I saw no
> such
> >>> problem.
> >>> — Dick
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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-08-21 Thread Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode
Sad update: it's just happened to me again, with Bracket Completion switched 
off. I literally checked just before starting to type the format statement; 
after it crashed and I relaunched 10.0.0.dp5, I checked again. It was still 
switched off.


I see that the bug is marked awaiting release - but it's not mentioned in the 
release notes for 10.0.0dp6.


:-(


On 26/07/2023 09:58, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
Oooh - I hadn't spotted that. (With only a little bit of fear) I'll venture 
back into 10dp5 and turn that off. Thanks Geoff!


On 26/07/2023 03:49, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:

So, not to be too much of an apologist, but the issue doesn't seem like a
showstopper to me.

On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 10:36 AM Dick Kriesel via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:





On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Maybe a silly question, but that issue lists "turn on bracket completion"
as a step to reproduce. If bracket completion is off, is it safe?


Hi, Geoff. I filed the report. With bracket completion off, I saw no such
problem.
— Dick
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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-07-26 Thread Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode
Oooh - I hadn't spotted that. (With only a little bit of fear) I'll venture 
back into 10dp5 and turn that off. Thanks Geoff!


On 26/07/2023 03:49, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:

So, not to be too much of an apologist, but the issue doesn't seem like a
showstopper to me.

On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 10:36 AM Dick Kriesel via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:





On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Maybe a silly question, but that issue lists "turn on bracket completion"
as a step to reproduce. If bracket completion is off, is it safe?


Hi, Geoff. I filed the report. With bracket completion off, I saw no such
problem.
— Dick
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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-07-25 Thread Dick Kriesel via use-livecode


> On Jul 25, 2023, at 7:49 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> So, not to be too much of an apologist, but the issue doesn't seem like a
> showstopper to me.


This is just a crashing bug to fix before RC1. Let the show go on!
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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-07-25 Thread Geoff Canyon via use-livecode
So, not to be too much of an apologist, but the issue doesn't seem like a
showstopper to me.

On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 10:36 AM Dick Kriesel via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe a silly question, but that issue lists "turn on bracket completion"
> > as a step to reproduce. If bracket completion is off, is it safe?
>
> Hi, Geoff. I filed the report. With bracket completion off, I saw no such
> problem.
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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-07-25 Thread Dick Kriesel via use-livecode


> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Maybe a silly question, but that issue lists "turn on bracket completion"
> as a step to reproduce. If bracket completion is off, is it safe?

Hi, Geoff. I filed the report. With bracket completion off, I saw no such 
problem.
— Dick
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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-07-25 Thread Geoff Canyon via use-livecode
Maybe a silly question, but that issue lists "turn on bracket completion"
as a step to reproduce. If bracket completion is off, is it safe?

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 11:55 PM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It's particularly frustrating because there are some good things in LC 10
> that
> I'd like to be looking at/exploiting; but there's a vicious bug in the
> current
> DP script editor that can cause loss of work*, which prevents me doing
> anything with it. Just a new DP that includes a fix for this bug would be
> a
> huge step forward in my view/situation.
>
> Ben
>
> * https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24268
>
> On 24/07/2023 16:04, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I know Xavvi will be the next big step and I even helped with the
> funding.
> > But I'm wondering why there hasn't been any news about LC 10 for a some
> months now.
> > Am I the only one worried that the full focus is now on Xavvi and LC10
> is left behind?
> >
> > Matthias
> >
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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-07-25 Thread Heather Laine via use-livecode
Hi Matthias and list folks,

We are working on LiveCode 10 dp6. We expect it to ship in August, with support 
for Web Fonts plus a number of bug fixes. Web Fonts turned out to be rather 
trickier than expected but it looks like we've got it more or less sorted out 
now. 

If there are specific bugs in 10 dp-5 that are really problematic for you, its 
worth flagging them to me in support (not on the list) so I can at least find 
out for you if they will be fixed in dp-6. Please send me the bug report number 
from the Quality Center for checking. 

Best Regards,

Heather


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> On 24 Jul 2023, at 16:04, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I know Xavvi will be the next big step and I even helped with the funding.
> But I'm wondering why there hasn't been any news about LC 10 for a some 
> months now.
> Am I the only one worried that the full focus is now on Xavvi and LC10 is 
> left behind?
> 
> Matthias
> 
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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-07-25 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode


> On 25 Jul 2023, at 01:24, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> it's not that it isn't there, it's that it isn't in a state that is
> ready-for-prime-time


I’ve had to abandon a project and hence a client and hence LiveCode all 
together because of this single solitary issue. My company went bankrupt and is 
now dissolved because of this. 

LC have told me not to speak out against them as a company on this platform for 
fear of being removed from this chat area. Sure, some of the decisions made by 
me have led to the dissolving of Pi Digital Productions Ltd, but a lot WAS 
based on the PROMISE made pre-pandemic by LC that HTML5 would be ready for 
live, non-beta use ‘soon’. 

4 years on and having paid for a HTML5 licence I STILL have not been able to 
use, clients become frustrated and annoyed that we STILL have been unable to 
deliver and the bitten bullet eventually explodes in our faces. 

This is the primary reason I have not been heard from on this area for a while 
now. I am now working as a shop assistant in a local shop having moved to a 
remote area on the Isle of Skye. There’s not many employers who will take 
LiveCode experience as experience of coding. And there’s little hope of finding 
clients who will want or have their apps coded in LC. 

Theoretically I should ask for a refund on the HTML license as they have simply 
not delivered on their promise. But I can’t be bothered with the hassle of 
arguing with a company who just don’t seem to listen. I know a lot of you here 
will disagree- but I can only speak from my own experience over the last 17 
years. Besides, a refund would not come close to the amount my company 
haemorrhaged as a direct result of LC failing to deliver. 

There, I’m guessing this will get me banned from this platform but, seeing as I 
can no longer use LC for anything practical, I suppose it no longer matters and 
most of you hear will be thinking ‘good riddance’ anyway. 

Like me, LC will fail if they continue to be incapable of delivering on 
promises. Adding new features and/or applications without sorting out current 
ones and actually getting them into the wild will just add new problems and 
forget old ones. Our clients cannot work on a 5 year turnaround so how can LC 
continue to think we can accept it? It’s impossible working conditions. If a 
boss offered you better working conditions in a place of work but took 5 years 
to deliver on that promise, what would you think of them as a manager? This is 
effectively what was suffered. It amounts to unfair treatment in the workplace 
and caused me a great deal of anguish over the years, as many of you are well 
aware.

My hope is that LC read this for your benefits and learn from it. It’s too late 
for me - I’ve moved on. But hopefully they can get v10 and HTML out sooner 
rather than later so that you can actually begin to make use of your 
investments. 

All the best and peace to you all. 

Sean Cole
Ex Director of Pi Digital

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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-07-25 Thread Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode
It's particularly frustrating because there are some good things in LC 10 that 
I'd like to be looking at/exploiting; but there's a vicious bug in the current 
DP script editor that can cause loss of work*, which prevents me doing 
anything with it. Just a new DP that includes a fix for this bug would be a 
huge step forward in my view/situation.


Ben

* https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24268

On 24/07/2023 16:04, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

Hi,

I know Xavvi will be the next big step and I even helped with the funding.
But I'm wondering why there hasn't been any news about LC 10 for a some months 
now.
Am I the only one worried that the full focus is now on Xavvi and LC10 is left 
behind?

Matthias


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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-07-24 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
it's not that it isn't there, it's that it isn't in a state that is
ready-for-prime-time

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 3:12 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
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> On 7/24/23 10:56 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> > the things that bug me are:
> > * at renewal, i added the html5 license, but that project isn't anywhere
>
> Did you select the correct license on renewal? I had the same problem but it 
> turns out there's
> a tiny little arrow when the installer appears, and you can page through your 
> licenses. I felt
> stupid when Heather noted it.
>
> Choose "Relicense" from the Help menu and see if you have that arrow. If not, 
> contact support.
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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-07-24 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

On 7/24/23 10:56 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:

the things that bug me are:
* at renewal, i added the html5 license, but that project isn't anywhere


Did you select the correct license on renewal? I had the same problem but it turns out there's 
a tiny little arrow when the installer appears, and you can page through your licenses. I felt 
stupid when Heather noted it.


Choose "Relicense" from the Help menu and see if you have that arrow. If not, 
contact support.

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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-07-24 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
the things that bug me are:
* at renewal, i added the html5 license, but that project isn't anywhere
* script compiler was supposed to be out six months ago for tinkering
(technically seven, but we'll give them a pass on end-of-the-year
because it was probably intended as end-of-the-yearish
* script widgets are not going anywhere without docs, but the docs
aren't going anywhere
* i'm very concerned that x-whatever is going to be a resource and
distraction-drain, and another dead end. to date, the LLM's have been
severely overrated. obviously i hope that is something that gets
fixed, quickly.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 11:30 AM Jacques Clavel via use-livecode
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> +1
> Jacques CLAVEL
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> Le lun. 24 juil. 2023 à 17:05, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> a écrit :
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I know Xavvi will be the next big step and I even helped with the funding.
> > But I'm wondering why there hasn't been any news about LC 10 for a some
> > months now.
> > Am I the only one worried that the full focus is now on Xavvi and LC10 is
> > left behind?
> >
> > Matthias
> >
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Re: No progress updates on LC 10. Am i the only one who is concerned?

2023-07-24 Thread Jacques Clavel via use-livecode
+1
Jacques CLAVEL

Le lun. 24 juil. 2023 à 17:05, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> I know Xavvi will be the next big step and I even helped with the funding.
> But I'm wondering why there hasn't been any news about LC 10 for a some
> months now.
> Am I the only one worried that the full focus is now on Xavvi and LC10 is
> left behind?
>
> Matthias
>
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