Re: Desperately seeking help. iconify. uniconify. close from task bar.answer. ms reportable error?

[Pat Trendler]

This doesn't happen in 2.5 but that doesn't help me much.
Also I've noticed how minimizing stacks released memory, and what's
interesting is that it never goes up as much as when the standalone is first
opened. Varies between a half to sometimes a quarter of the original memory
usage. If iconic wasn't such a bitch I might think of
iconicing/uniconicising at startup - it really cuts down on memory usage (
or maybe its just my bad code)


Pat.


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From: "Pat Trendler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 4:07 PM
Subject: Desperately seeking help. iconify. uniconify. close from task
bar.answer. ms reportable error?


> Rev 2.1.2  win32
>
> I've had a lot of problems with iconify, managed to solve them all except
> this one. Spent nearly two very valuable days trying to get round this.  I
> need to make sure a user gets a chance to save a substack (saved as a
> separate file) if they minimize and then close the stack from the taskbar.
>
> This happens with an empty stack and with just this in the stack script.
>
> on iconifystack
> answer "whatever" with  "OK"
> end iconifystack
>
> doesn't matter where the script goes - closestackrequest, uniconify.
> Without answer and I just save and do some other things there's no
problem -
> but there is if the user didn't want to save the changes they've made.
>
> This is for a cdrom which my client (my first paid job) has made a deal
with
> a magazine she writes for to review this cdrom, so there's a deadline.
> Tomorrow.
>
> Basically the only way I can solve this problem seems to be to take
minimize
> off the decorations - and that is not going to look good either.
>
> Maybe someone has some ideas.
>
> Greatly appreciated if you can help here.
>
> Pat
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Re: 2.5 cursor change

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 9:50 PM -0500 7/30/2004, J. Landman Gay wrote:
Another way to handle it would be to retain the mickey hand during 
development and then allow the user to specify when building a 
standalone whether to keep it or not. It would be very simple 
change; if the hand cursor isn't available, Rev uses the system 
arrow by default. The only thing you have to do to get a standard 
cursor in a standalone is leave out the hand.
Like the idea, but don't like that implementation: developers might 
want to use the hand (for instance, to indicate links) but want the 
default cursor to be an arrow. If the standalone builder takes out 
the hand then it's not available for browser-type applications, where 
it's useful.

Possibly use a white-outlined arrow for the pointer tool? (Although I 
think Windows uses such a cursor for something else.)

My feeling is that if you have to squint at the cursor to figure out 
which mode you're in - if you even have to think about it - there's a 
usability problem.
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Desperately seeking help. iconify. uniconify. close from task bar. answer. ms reportable error?

[Pat Trendler]

Rev 2.1.2  win32

I've had a lot of problems with iconify, managed to solve them all except
this one. Spent nearly two very valuable days trying to get round this.  I
need to make sure a user gets a chance to save a substack (saved as a
separate file) if they minimize and then close the stack from the taskbar.

This happens with an empty stack and with just this in the stack script.

on iconifystack
answer "whatever" with  "OK"
end iconifystack

doesn't matter where the script goes - closestackrequest, uniconify.
Without answer and I just save and do some other things there's no problem -
but there is if the user didn't want to save the changes they've made.

This is for a cdrom which my client (my first paid job) has made a deal with
a magazine she writes for to review this cdrom, so there's a deadline.
Tomorrow.

Basically the only way I can solve this problem seems to be to take minimize
off the decorations - and that is not going to look good either.

Maybe someone has some ideas.

Greatly appreciated if you can help here.

Pat

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Re: Installers

[Derek Bump]

> Inc.  For OSX, I use Apple's "PackageMaker".  For Windows, I use
> InstallShield Express (www.installshield.com).

I just wanted to mention 1 program that I use for making Installers on Windows.  It's 
called Inno Setup.  It is used by MANY major companies for their installers, it is 
customizable and scriptable.  The best part...it's completely FREE!  If your a Windows 
user and you download it and try it you'll definately recogonize it.

http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php
 

Derek Bump
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Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
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Re: Installers

[Dan Friedman]

Dan,

I don't actually use rev as my installer.  I wouldn't trust Rev (or my
coding) to touch someone's system... to many things could go wrong
(especially on Windoz!)

To install on OS 7/8/9, I use "StuffIt InstallerMaker" from Aladdin Systems,
Inc.  For OSX, I use Apple's "PackageMaker".  For Windows, I use
InstallShield Express (www.installshield.com).

Not only do I get clean installs, these are "standard" installers.  Just
about everyone who's ever used a computer is familiar with the look and feel
of the install -- makes my products look like the "big boys".

Hope that helps.

-Dan


> Dan
> 
> How do you install them with a Rev app? If that were possible, I think
> one could do that with other fonts.
> 
> Dan
> (nice name, BTW).
> 
> :-D

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Unicode Stack names on 2.5b

[ron barber]

Hi,
Simple question with a simple answer probably.
How do I get the window name(title/label) to display in Unicode?(or for 
that matter in other specialty fonts which keyboard layout is not 
standard eg Greek) Is this a function of the OS rather than scriptable 
from within RR?

The new properties manager handles unicode, so input it easy. When say, 
Japanese, is typed into the title fld of the prop manager, it 
automatically changes the textfont property of the stack to the 
appropriate font. This also changes all the other control's textfont 
property if they have not been explicitly set. This can be overcome 
easily enough. However, the titlebar of the wd is still showing ascii 
type characters.

thanks
Ron
ps thanks Tuviah for your work on unicode, its getting very close
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Re: shilling for my feature request [1926]

[Chipp Walters]

Thanks Troy! Very informative!
Troy Rollins wrote:

FWIW - if anyone is interested, this document, linked from one of the 
links Mark provided, probably offers the clearest definitions of the 
various parsing types I've seen so far -


Scroll to the very bottom for a nice pros and cons chart.

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Re: shilling for my feature request [1926]

[Troy Rollins]

On Jul 31, 2004, at 12:09 AM, Troy Rollins wrote:
Very interesting. You certainly are quite the evangelist for the 
merits of pull-parsing. I read the reference docs, but I have to 
admit, I'm not the parsing method connoisseur I suppose I should be. 
I've always used the "whatever works" approach. To that end, I've used 
both DOM and SAX, and rolled-my-own in other instances. I'm still not 
positive I'd know when to say "this needs a pull-parser!" Nor can I 
claim to fully understand all the benefits and efficiencies of MTML, 
fortunately, I doubt I am alone in that.  ;-)
FWIW - if anyone is interested, this document, linked from one of the 
links Mark provided, probably offers the clearest definitions of the 
various parsing types I've seen so far -


Scroll to the very bottom for a nice pros and cons chart.
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Re: shilling for my feature request [1926]

[Troy Rollins]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 11:48 PM, Mark Brownell wrote:
So...
These new split functions would allow us to set our own rules for 
next(), nextTag(), and nextText() while streaming fragments out of of 
full XML documents. This is because we would have high speed functions 
to pull data out of large documents and the need for not relying on 
the streaming method would leave those current pull-parser 
implementations further behind.

MTML breaks the rules in a way that XML was never meant to. MTML 
element type tag sets can begin within an other tag set and end 
outside these other tag sets. This would break most XML parsers and 
even some of the new streaming designs that are designed as 
implementations of pull-parsing. All this adds up to the designer of 
the data structure being able to run modified and simple data 
transfers. "This is a good thing" Martha Stewart. It's better to dust 
off your competitors if you can offer the option. Development time 
within RunRev including this kind of data structuring can be a winning 
combination for you when it comes to offering services.
Very interesting. You certainly are quite the evangelist for the merits 
of pull-parsing. I read the reference docs, but I have to admit, I'm 
not the parsing method connoisseur I suppose I should be. I've always 
used the "whatever works" approach. To that end, I've used both DOM and 
SAX, and rolled-my-own in other instances. I'm still not positive I'd 
know when to say "this needs a pull-parser!" Nor can I claim to fully 
understand all the benefits and efficiencies of MTML, fortunately, I 
doubt I am alone in that.  ;-)
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Re: 2.5 cursor change

[Richard Gaskin]

Marian Petrides wrote:
 >>>Another way to handle it would be to retain the mickey hand during 
development and then allow the user to specify when building a 
standalone whether to keep it or not. It would be very simple change; if 
the hand cursor isn't available, Rev uses the system arrow by default. 
The only thing you have to do to get a standard cursor in a standalone 
is leave out the hand.

That's a great idea, Jacque.  I hope RunRev decides to go this way!!
Ironically that's very close to the way it's always been:
Changing the default cursor is as simple as adding this line to your
standalone:
  on startup
set the defaultCursor to arrow
  end startup
To implement this in the IDE it could have been as simple as doing the
equivalent of that line in the engine itself (probably a resource ID
constant), and less alarming to the developers here than discarding the 
hand cursor resource altogether.

HyperCard didn't do so well as browsers:  in HC the hand cursor was 
always present, giving the impression that everything was clickable.

Once the hand cursor is restored to the cursor collection in Rev, all of 
us who use it in a browser-like fashion over links in text will be able 
to do what HyperCard arguably should have done in the first place:  let 
people make apps that look like all other apps, and use the hand cursor 
only as a visual indicator of links or clickable images.

That Rev is moving toward having the default cursor be the same as with 
all other apps is a welcome move.

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Re: shilling for my feature request [1926]

[Mark Brownell]

On Friday, July 30, 2004, at 05:59 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:
For those of us who aren't familiar with the term "pull-parser", I'll 
ask some indulgence. Like most of us, I parse a lot of string content, 
and I'm familiar with a number of models for parsing XML content, for 
instance. But, what specifically is a pull-parser and how does #1926 
make it possible / better?
--
Troy
OK school time.
from here:
http://otn.oracle.com/tech/xml/xdk/staxpreview.html
"Oracle StAX Pull Parser Preview
A new XML document parsing technology is being developed as part of the 
Java Community Process to supplement DOM and SAX. Called Streaming API 
for XML or StAX, this technology is being developed under JSR-173 and 
is in its final draft stage. StAX parsing has significant advantages 
over DOM and SAX which are discussed in the Sep/Oct. issue of Oracle 
Magazine in the article - Parsing XML Efficiently.

StAX gives parsing control to you through either a simple 
iterator-based API and an underlying stream of events or a cursor style 
object API. Methods such as next() and hasNext() allow you to pull the 
event by asking for next one rather than handling it in a callback. 
This gives you precise control over XML document processing. As 
distinct from other event-based approaches StAX allows you to stop 
processing the document, skip ahead to sections of the document, or get 
subsections of the document."

More on pull-parsers at
here: http://www.xmlpull.org/
So...
These new split functions would allow us to set our own rules for 
next(), nextTag(), and nextText() while streaming fragments out of of 
full XML documents. This is because we would have high speed functions 
to pull data out of large documents and the need for not relying on the 
streaming method would leave those current pull-parser implementations 
further behind.

MTML breaks the rules in a way that XML was never meant to. MTML 
element type tag sets can begin within an other tag set and end outside 
these other tag sets. This would break most XML parsers and even some 
of the new streaming designs that are designed as implementations of 
pull-parsing. All this adds up to the designer of the data structure 
being able to run modified and simple data transfers. "This is a good 
thing" Martha Stewart. It's better to dust off your competitors if you 
can offer the option. Development time within RunRev including this 
kind of data structuring can be a winning combination for you when it 
comes to offering services.

HTH,
Mark
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Re: 2.5 cursor change

[Greg McIlhiney]

Yeah, sorry... my mind was thinking more about the tools palette.
But this has me thinking as a teacher of game dev -- what cursor to use,
then, to indicate 'magic' or clickable areas?  Come to think of it, even
browsers use the 'Mickey' hand to indicate clickability... maybe going
back to the HC model?
Hmmm, the FIRST thing I ever did when building any HC SA was change 
the CURS 128 resource tothe arrow.

But I agree. When developing the tool/mode cursors need to be 
graphically unique. And if they match the majority of other design 
programs, I can't see that as anything but a good thing.

Personally I think the default cursor the end-user will use should be 
the arrow cursor in any app development environment. Other choices 
should then be there for those that differ.. just my opinion ;)

Thanks for the tips on making the arrow the default!
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Re: 2.5 cursor change

[Troy Rollins]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 11:20 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
Now that I look again, the beta does have the little cross on the 
cursor itself. I just have to remember to look for it. At any rate, 
they are modestly different.
OK. I looked.  8-)
Works for me!
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Re: 2.5 cursor change

[Troy Rollins]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 11:20 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
Now that I look again, the beta does have the little cross on the 
cursor itself. I just have to remember to look for it. At any rate, 
they are modestly different.
REALLY?
I hadn't noticed that.
Probably similar to the issue I have with the beta's lock-messages and 
lock-errors buttons...  ;-)

Now I'll have to go look.
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Re: 2.5 cursor change

[J. Landman Gay]

On 7/30/04 10:01 PM, Judy Perry wrote:
I like this idea, for two reasons -- it makes the two cursors visually
distinct during dev AND it allows developers to use the hand where they
feel it would be useful.
Now that I look again, the beta does have the little cross on the cursor 
itself. I just have to remember to look for it. At any rate, they are 
modestly different.

FWIW...
Judy
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, J. Landman Gay wrote:

I agree. I have to keep looking at the tool palette to know which mode
I'm in. It would be easier of the two cursors were visually different.
Another way to handle it would be to retain the mickey hand during
development and then allow the user to specify when building a
standalone whether to keep it or not. It would be very simple change; if
the hand cursor isn't available, Rev uses the system arrow by default.
The only thing you have to do to get a standard cursor in a standalone
is leave out the hand.




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Re: 2.5 cursor change

[Judy Perry]

Yes, I can see where you are coming from... I'd just like to see the hand
retained as an option for where it is useful... but probably not as the
default, for the reasons you have noted.

Judy

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Troy Rollins wrote:

> True, browsers do, but "applications" don't, certainly not over
> something like an "OK" button, or "delete file." Plus, the hand Rev has
> always used was unique to Rev... and seemed really "odd" to me. I'm
> grateful for the arrow.  :-)

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Re: 2.5 cursor change

[Judy Perry]

I like this idea, for two reasons -- it makes the two cursors visually
distinct during dev AND it allows developers to use the hand where they
feel it would be useful.

FWIW...

Judy

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I agree. I have to keep looking at the tool palette to know which mode
> I'm in. It would be easier of the two cursors were visually different.
>
> Another way to handle it would be to retain the mickey hand during
> development and then allow the user to specify when building a
> standalone whether to keep it or not. It would be very simple change; if
> the hand cursor isn't available, Rev uses the system arrow by default.
> The only thing you have to do to get a standard cursor in a standalone
> is leave out the hand.

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Re: 2.5 cursor change

[Troy Rollins]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 10:50 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
Another way to handle it would be to retain the mickey hand during 
development and then allow the user to specify when building a 
standalone whether to keep it or not. It would be very simple change; 
if the hand cursor isn't available, Rev uses the system arrow by 
default. The only thing you have to do to get a standard cursor in a 
standalone is leave out the hand.
I usually don't include the cursor library at all, which seems to be a 
brute force way to do that. Maybe more brute force than I really want.

Personally, I think Mickey should take its bows, and Rev should use 
something more modern, and "app looking." An alternate selection cursor 
might be the way to go.
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Re: 2.5 cursor change

[Troy Rollins]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 10:47 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:
Ayup. That's where my conditioning came from, not Hypercard per se but 
from browsers. That makes MUCH more sense.  I didn't think I spent 
that much time in HyperCard environments.
True, browsers do, but "applications" don't, certainly not over 
something like an "OK" button, or "delete file." Plus, the hand Rev has 
always used was unique to Rev... and seemed really "odd" to me. I'm 
grateful for the arrow.  :-)
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Re: 2.5 cursor change

[Marian Petrides]

>>>Another way to handle it would be to retain the mickey hand during 
development and then allow the user to specify when building a 
standalone whether to keep it or not. It would be very simple change; 
if the hand cursor isn't available, Rev uses the system arrow by 
default. The only thing you have to do to get a standard cursor in a 
standalone is leave out the hand.

That's a great idea, Jacque.  I hope RunRev decides to go this way!!
M
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Re: 2.5 cursor change

[J. Landman Gay]

On 7/30/04 8:59 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:
On Jul 30, 2004, at 9:26 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:
But I see your point, too.  Perhaps we don't really want users to 
think "stack" but rather to think "professionally-looking mainstream 
app."  Now, I am truly confused. ;-)

Well, if it helps, Kevin Miller indicated the very reason for the change 
was to give Rev apps a more mainstream look. The mickey hand was one of 
the few things in Rev that triggered the "this isn't programmed in 
something real" reaction.

One thought I entertained was the possibility of actually having the 
select tool have the mini 4-way arrow attached to the select arrow (as 
it does in the tool palette), particularly when in the IDE... which 
would give a visible cursor difference between the browse and select 
tools - which I don't argue as not being useful. I can see where it can 
be confusing (for some at least) that two very different modes have the 
same cursor.
I agree. I have to keep looking at the tool palette to know which mode 
I'm in. It would be easier of the two cursors were visually different.

Another way to handle it would be to retain the mickey hand during 
development and then allow the user to specify when building a 
standalone whether to keep it or not. It would be very simple change; if 
the hand cursor isn't available, Rev uses the system arrow by default. 
The only thing you have to do to get a standard cursor in a standalone 
is leave out the hand.

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Re: shilling for my feature request [1926]

[Troy Rollins]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 8:08 PM, Mark Brownell wrote:
When I first came on this list and tried to see if I could create a 
pull-parser several people here directed me to offset() and regEx 
functions using matchtext(). I did some testing and came up with a few 
working functions that were just a little slower than the textCruncher 
Xtra for Director.
I'm quite familiar with that xtra, and even coming close says that what 
you came up with is fast.

Later this past year someone suggested "split by string." Since this 
is exactly what I was looking for in part of the feature request I 
went along with the idea in this:
For those of us who aren't familiar with the term "pull-parser", I'll 
ask some indulgence. Like most of us, I parse a lot of string content, 
and I'm familiar with a number of models for parsing XML content, for 
instance. But, what specifically is a pull-parser and how does #1926 
make it possible / better?
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Re: 2.5 cursor change

[Troy Rollins]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 8:09 PM, Judy Perry wrote:
Yeah... but.. the hand's more obvious as to its function.  With two 
arrows
that differ only ever so slightly in appearance but markedly in action,
'twould be better, methinks, to have a markedly different appearance so
that the user doesn't have to do the mouseover hover to figure out 
which
is which and does what.
;-)
Well, I can't say I've experienced that problem, but now I'm wondering 
- are we talking about the icon which gets used in the tools palette, 
or the actual mouse cursor which is used in the two modes?

The icon in the palette, I have no real preference... it could be a 
happy face for all I care. The mickey hand cursor is what I've never 
liked. I believe the arrow tool as a cursor is more appropriate when 
browsing, as that is how ("real") applications which are not otherwise 
fiddling with the cursor actually work.
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Looking for more info on hScroll

[Trevor DeVore]

Hello there list,
I need to determine the percentage of the scroll of a group based on 
the current hScroll.  I am scaling graphics in a group (thus changing 
the formattedWidth) and need to set the hScroll to the value that will 
keep the same objects centered in the viewable area of the group after 
the scaling is done.  I've done some tests but can't figure out how to 
make all of my numbers match up to get a correct percentage.  Here is 
an example -

* I have a group with a formattedWidth of 1033 pixels.
* During testing the highest hScroll value when scrolling this group to 
the right is 630.
* The width of the group is 397 pixels so the formattedWidth of the 
group - the actual width of the group is 636 pixels.
* The borderWidth = 2, scrollbarWidth = 0 and margins = 0

I don't know where the 6 pixel difference comes from.  In tests with 
the groups formattedWidth set to other values the difference has ranged 
anywhere between 4 and 8 pixels.

Now you may be thinking to yourself "What is the big deal with 4 to 8 
pixels?  That probably won't affect your calculations that much." but I 
hate not understanding why something isn't working and I will have a 
miserable weekend if I don't find the answer ;-)

So does anybody know how to calculate a groups max hScroll based on its 
formattedWidth, width and other properties?

Thanks,
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Re: shilling for my feature request [1926]

[Mark Brownell]

On Friday, July 30, 2004, at 05:14 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
1. write a stack that searches bugzilla for enhancement requests 
needing votes
1a. add some cool music or graphic effects
1b. give it a name that will attract people
2. make it display the bugs and their voting status in some clever way
3.  include an easy way to adjust your vote settings
4. post the stack to User Spaces
5. wait for people to download and vote for your ideas 

Ha!
What? No naked dancers?
Yes, that's the way to do it alright.
Thanks,
Mark
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Re: 2.5 cursor change

[Judy Perry]

Yeah... but.. the hand's more obvious as to its function.  With two arrows
that differ only ever so slightly in appearance but markedly in action,
'twould be better, methinks, to have a markedly different appearance so
that the user doesn't have to do the mouseover hover to figure out which
is which and does what.

Judy

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Troy Rollins wrote:

> I'd never take away freedom of choice, but if they put it back, I can
> only hope it is an optional preference. I hate the mickey hand as much
> as you do the arrow. I think it makes Rev look like it is a kiddie toy.

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Re: shilling for my feature request [1926]

[Mark Brownell]

On Friday, July 30, 2004, at 04:40 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:
By the way, what's bug 1926 all about?  ;-)
--
Troy
When I first came on this list and tried to see if I could create a  
pull-parser several people here directed me to offset() and regEx  
functions using matchtext(). I did some testing and came up with a few  
working functions that were just a little slower than the textCruncher  
Xtra for Director. The speeds where just a little faster than the ones  
I created in RealBasic. So I asked for a high speed pull-parser. There  
was tails among the support staff that someone was working on  
pull-parsers in the XML department and that Rev 2.5 might have that  
added.

Later this past year someone suggested "split by string." Since this is  
exactly what I was looking for in part of the feature request I went  
along with the idea in this:

I hope I did this right.
http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/bugdatabase/ 
show_bug.cgi?id=1926

   Summary: split by string, string; pull-parser
   Product: Revolution
   Version: 2.5 B1
  Platform: All
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: enhancement
  Priority: P2
 Component: Unknown/Does not exist yet
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 QAContact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
High speed pull-parser & for whatever else this could be useful
split by string1 to string2
split by string1
getString by string1 to string2
  Example sring1 = "e-mail start"
  Example sring2 = "e-mail end"
  Example sring1 = "
  Example sring1 = ""
  Example sring2 = ""
splits end up the same as the current spit function with data ending up  
in a sequentially
numerical keyed array including string1 & string2 or option cleaned away

getString returns the string including string1 & string2 or option  
cleaned away

extra note:  "option cleaned away" means that string1 & string2 are  
stripped from the result

I only ask because somehow high speed encryption does so much faster in  
2.5 that in my old Transcript based version. I was looking for high  
speed text parsing based on words and phrases. The split function works  
with single characters as delimiters. I need it to work with strings as  
the delimiters.

Very fast and powerful structured databases could be created using this  
pull-parser technique. The power to transform and manipulate data  
transmissions for encrypted data transfers could be designed to  
populate SQL databases way easier than is currently or often paid for  
by limited resources in some DBMS departments. Just think about HIPPA  
as one example. By adding the high speed of development with Revolution  
and the ease of integrating data transfers with legacy systems, a whole  
new kind of simpler XML can be sold to those that pay for new  
technologies. The invention of the pull-parser comes from ticked off IT  
professionals that are sick to death of all the advantages that XML has  
brought to them and the pull-parser is the result of simplifying that  
process. I just want it for myself and also want Rev to be a player in  
that future. There are some exciting things coming in the next seven  
years. The most notable is the semantic-web and RDF portals. It never  
hurts to be ahead of the competition.

Thanks for your interest,
Mark
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Re: shilling for my feature request [1926]

[Alex Tweedly]

At 16:24 30/07/2004 -0700, Mark Brownell wrote:
Hi,
So I finally figured out how to use bugzilla from the Rev website. So 
what's the policy on requesting people vote for a feature? I mean if they 
wanted to how would they even know the feature request even exists? [1926] ?
Here's the approach I figured out (just haven't had time to do yet )
1. write a stack that searches bugzilla for enhancement requests needing votes
1a. add some cool music or graphic effects
1b. give it a name that will attract people
2. make it display the bugs and their voting status in some clever way
3.  include an easy way to adjust your vote settings
4. post the stack to User Spaces
5. wait for people to download and vote for your ideas 
And if just happened to put *your* requests first in the list, who could 
complain 

-- Alex.
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Re: 2.5 cursor change

[Judy Perry]

I agree.  I really don't like it.  Plus, my first response was that the
arrow on the left was a normal selection/execution tool and that the
second was maybe a resizing tool...

Just my two small monetary units...

Judy

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Marian Petrides wrote:

> My immediate response to the change from grabber hand to arrow for the
> browse cursor was that I didn't like it, but I thought I might get used
> to it.  However, now that I try to use someone else's stack (Judy's
> Intro to Rev), I know for sure:  I HATE IT!!
>
> Seriously, I find it very disorienting to be browsing through a stack
> using an arrow rather than the traditional grabber hand.
>
> RunRev:  Please consider going back to the old icon. Thanks.
>
> Marian
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Re: shilling for my feature request [1926]

[Troy Rollins]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 7:24 PM, Mark Brownell wrote:
So I finally figured out how to use bugzilla from the Rev website. So 
what's the policy on requesting people vote for a feature? I mean if 
they wanted to how would they even know the feature request even 
exists? [1926] ?
So far as I know, there isn't an official policy.
I don't think it hurts to make a polite case for your pet bug, and post 
the link to the bugzilla page with it. Harping on one probably wouldn't 
be met with a lot of enthusiasm, but a "hey folks, I just logged bug 
 and here is why. If this matters to you as much as me, please 
consider giving it some of your votes!" seems pretty harmless, and it 
lets people get involved with minimal effort. Many folks, myself 
included, don't lurk around bugzilla doing a 30 second refresh to see 
what is going on.

By the way, what's bug 1926 all about?  ;-)
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Re: padding out revXMLText

[Terry Judd]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri Jul 30, 2004  11:43:20  PM Australia/Melbourne
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: padding out revXMLText
Reply-To: How to use Revolution <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Oops Sarah,
I use an undocumented feature of the revXMLText (not revXMLTree!) with 
a third parameter with
value TRUE in order to get the formatted xml:

put revXMLText(treeID[[,startNode],formatted]) into tFormattedXML
Thanks Joel – this is very useful to say the least – shame it's 
undocumented. Now if we could just specify the character to use for 
padding (looks like it defaults to space) then we're set!

Terry...
Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA
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shilling for my feature request [1926]

[Mark Brownell]

Hi,
So I finally figured out how to use bugzilla from the Rev website. So 
what's the policy on requesting people vote for a feature? I mean if 
they wanted to how would they even know the feature request even 
exists? [1926] ?

Thanks,
Mark
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Re: Unable to delete file from user space

[Trevor DeVore]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 4:12 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
If you don't want to quit in the development environment just use 
this line:

if environment() <> "development" then quit
It's not a question of avoiding it in the stack - it's whether or not 
an IDE should allow itself to be killed off by the application it is 
running/debugging. In the "normal" programming world, the debugger (or 
IDE) is "in charge of" and "controlling" the application it is 
running, and wouldn't allow the application to cause the IDE to exit. 
(Indeed, trapping premature exit of the application is one of the 
primary tasks of a debugger :-)

In the more "integrated" style of Rev (and perhaps Director, but I 
have no experience of it), it may seem reasonable to allow the app to 
have this level of control over the IDE - though I can't get myself 
adjusted to the idea that a programming choice within an app should 
kill the IDE.

I'm 90% convinced that since all the experienced Rev'ers are saying 
this is OK, I should just accept it (and shut up :-)

But I'm 10% convinced that there is a "blinkered vision" effect for 
experienced users looking at Rev behaviour, and that that effect 
prevents long-time Rev'ers from seeing just how this looks to someone 
using Player or Rev-IDE for the first time (and since there are far 
more people in the latter category than the first, I should keep go 
ahead with pushing the argument that this is a bug).

I'm probably "pushing a rope uphill", so I'll go with the 90%
Alex,
I realize why this appears weird to you and what you are suggesting.  I 
remember being "surprised" when my authoring application suddenly quit 
when I first started using programs like Director and Revolution.  Yes 
it is different from other environments and maybe it should be changed 
(I'm not really concerned one way or the other).  I was just pointing 
out that it is easy to avoid in case anyone on the list didn't know 
about it.

--
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Re: Unable to delete file from user space

[Alex Tweedly]

At 15:18 30/07/2004 -0700, Trevor DeVore wrote:
On Jul 30, 2004, at 2:55 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:
FWIW - Director does this (closes the IDE) if the "quit" command is used. 
Using "halt" in Director stops the movie, but does not quit the IDE. So 
to me, it doesn't look like a bug, it just looks like Revolution is 
written in Revolution.

Although Director is not written in Director - which in some ways is 
better, some worse.
Noted - maybe it's a different mindset for x-talk like languages versus 
others (and I haven't made the mind-transition. ( yet :-)

If you don't want to quit in the development environment just use this line:
if environment() <> "development" then quit
It's not a question of avoiding it in the stack - it's whether or not an 
IDE should allow itself to be killed off by the application it is 
running/debugging. In the "normal" programming world, the debugger (or IDE) 
is "in charge of" and "controlling" the application it is running, and 
wouldn't allow the application to cause the IDE to exit. (Indeed, trapping 
premature exit of the application is one of the primary tasks of a debugger :-)

In the more "integrated" style of Rev (and perhaps Director, but I have no 
experience of it), it may seem reasonable to allow the app to have this 
level of control over the IDE - though I can't get myself adjusted to the 
idea that a programming choice within an app should kill the IDE.

I'm 90% convinced that since all the experienced Rev'ers are saying this is 
OK, I should just accept it (and shut up :-)

But I'm 10% convinced that there is a "blinkered vision" effect for 
experienced users looking at Rev behaviour, and that that effect prevents 
long-time Rev'ers from seeing just how this looks to someone using Player 
or Rev-IDE for the first time (and since there are far more people in the 
latter category than the first, I should keep go ahead with pushing the 
argument that this is a bug).

I'm probably "pushing a rope uphill", so I'll go with the 90%
-- Alex.
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Re:font installing for mac/pc

[Meitnik]

In a message dated 7/30/04 6:40:26 PM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Does anyone know if it's possible to add the font to a standalone and
> have RunRev use it automatically, i.e. without requiring a separate
> installation procedure?
> -- since apple has moved to a fully binary format for fonts on osx, I think 
there is a case for speical use of fonts in SAs now. Fonts are handled at 
system level very differnetly than in past. MS will likely do same too at some 
point. Font and GUIs has had a strang and strained relastionships for over 
30yrs... ;-) Opentype may with rich unicode finally provide the holy 
grail..maybebut politics in tech has killed many a keen solution too :( the 
achilles heal 
of write once and deploy many is Fonts.

Andrew


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Re: Unable to delete file from user space

[Troy Rollins]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 6:18 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
If you don't want to quit in the development environment just use this 
line:

if environment() <> "development" then quit
Exactly.
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Re: Turn RTF off forever!

[John Rule]

> But there is some difference of opinion on whether this is a bug or a
feature.

OK, here is one example off the top of my head that should decide this...an
HTML editor.

Bug.

It should at least be an option...


JR


> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:17:13 -0500
> From: "J. Landman Gay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Turn RTF off forever!


> The RTF shouldn't get in the way. Maybe you are talking about the
> problem where copying/pasting text into/from a field causes it to
> acquire text styles? That one has been bugzilla-ed. But there is some
> difference of opinion on whether this is a bug or a feature.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay

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Re: 2.5 cursor change

[Troy Rollins]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 6:38 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:
Seriously, I find it very disorienting to be browsing through a stack 
using an arrow rather than the traditional grabber hand.

RunRev:  Please consider going back to the old icon. Thanks.
I'd never take away freedom of choice, but if they put it back, I can 
only hope it is an optional preference. I hate the mickey hand as much 
as you do the arrow. I think it makes Rev look like it is a kiddie toy.
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Re: fog font solutions...

[Meitnik]

In a message dated 7/30/04 3:42:54 PM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> I hired a fontographer to build two font families (plain,
> bold, italic, bold-italic) for me.  A serif, and a san-serif. 
> -- yes, and I even did that once or twice during my fog era (eons ago) ;-) I 
am still at it with other tools, for fog barely works under classic. If there 
are those who really need that font solution, contact me off list. I may be 
able to help.

Andrew

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2.5 cursor change

[Marian Petrides]

My immediate response to the change from grabber hand to arrow for the 
browse cursor was that I didn't like it, but I thought I might get used 
to it.  However, now that I try to use someone else's stack (Judy's 
Intro to Rev), I know for sure:  I HATE IT!!

Seriously, I find it very disorienting to be browsing through a stack 
using an arrow rather than the traditional grabber hand.

RunRev:  Please consider going back to the old icon. Thanks.
Marian
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Re: Unable to delete file from user space

[Trevor DeVore]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 2:55 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:
On Jul 30, 2004, at 5:24 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
As an experienced user of IDEs/debuggers for various languages, I'd 
say nothing that an application being run under the IDE does should 
cause the IDE to quit;
FWIW - Director does this (closes the IDE) if the "quit" command is 
used. Using "halt" in Director stops the movie, but does not quit the 
IDE. So to me, it doesn't look like a bug, it just looks like 
Revolution is written in Revolution.

Although Director is not written in Director - which in some ways is 
better, some worse.
If you don't want to quit in the development environment just use this 
line:

if environment() <> "development" then quit
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Re: 2.5/Handler running low on memory

[Pierre Sahores]

Me too ! Previously reported to Tuviah.
Le 30 juil. 04, à 21:47, Ken Ray a écrit :
I've gotten that in other places in 2.5 as well, like simply changing
tools...
Ken Ray
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Judy Perry
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 2:17 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: 2.5/Handler running low on memory
Hi,
Does anyone else get this?  Are we supposed to be getting
this error message?
executing internal 12:16:00 PM
TypeHandler: Running low on memory, script aborted
Object  revdebugger
Lineif item 1 of pWhatError3 is not empty and item 1 of
pWhatError3 is
not a number then -- user thrown error
Hintbutton id 1113 of card id 1002 of stack
"/Applications/Revolution
2.5b1/components/global environment/revlibrary.rev"
I get it when I command-period interrupt a handler to make
some changes. I understand that I *should* get an error of
some sort but don't understand the rest of it.
Judy
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Re: Cross-platform fonts...what is everyone else doing? -and- > More font woes

[Troy Rollins]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 5:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't find a way to get it from the Bitstream
website, but you can download Mac Classic, Mac OS X, Windows, and 
Linux versions
of Vera from [http://kitschparade.ath.cx/vera.php].
Thanks, I've never actually found the way to download this before.
 And to put the URL another way -

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Re: Unable to delete file from user space

[Troy Rollins]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 5:24 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
As an experienced user of IDEs/debuggers for various languages, I'd 
say nothing that an application being run under the IDE does should 
cause the IDE to quit;
FWIW - Director does this (closes the IDE) if the "quit" command is 
used. Using "halt" in Director stops the movie, but does not quit the 
IDE. So to me, it doesn't look like a bug, it just looks like 
Revolution is written in Revolution.

Although Director is not written in Director - which in some ways is 
better, some worse.
--
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Re: Cross-platform fonts...what is everyone else doing? -and- > More font woes

[Cubist]

sez [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>A couple of years ago, I dealt with all this cross-platform font stuff. I
>got so tired of trying to work it out that I finally came up with a solution
>that has worked perfectly ever since.  What did I do you ask?  Well, it
>wasn't cheep, but I hired a fontographer to build two font families (plain,
>bold, italic, bold-italic) for me.  A serif, and a san-serif.  They look a
>lot like a subset of Helvetica and Times.  They are specifically designed
>(spacing, kerning, height, bitmaps and all the other properties) to be
>IDENTICAL on both Macs and Windows computers.  I've tested them on Mac 7.1
>to 10.3 - Win 95 to XP and have had no complaints from my clients.  I just
>install them with my software and *POOF*, all my font issues are gone!
   If you read back in the thread, the idea of requiring the user to install 
any *new* fonts was explicitly ruled out by the guy asking the original 
question. However, if you *can* require your users to install a new font, yours is 
definitely the better way to go. And these days, Bitstream has a 
free-for-the-downloading font called Vera which is exactly and specifically designed 
to be 
identical across platforms! I can't find a way to get it from the Bitstream 
website, but you can download Mac Classic, Mac OS X, Windows, and Linux versions 
of Vera from [http://kitschparade.ath.cx/vera.php].
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Re: Unable to delete file from user space

[Alex Tweedly]

At 15:11 30/07/2004 -0500, J. Landman Gay wrote:
On 7/30/04 2:04 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
OK - I think I'm going to go ahead and enter it as a bug. If the RunRev 
guys decide to just close it "behaving as intended" that'll be OK (I 
guess), but at least the question will have been raised and considered by them.
I'd suggest setting it as a feature request. It isn't really a bug.
I think that you have the benefit of an "experienced / insider viewpoint", 
and I won't be at all surprised if the official response is the same - i.e. 
working as intended, deal with it as a feature request.

But from an "outsider" viewpoint - i.e. new-ish user - it sure looks to me 
like a bug.

I run an IDE, I load / run an application within it - and when the app does 
"something (in this case, tries to quit), it takes me all the way out of 
the IDE.  As an experienced user of IDEs/debuggers for various languages, 
I'd say nothing that an application being run under the IDE does should 
cause the IDE to quit; this is almost like having a badly behaved 
application cause the OS to quit (oh - wait a minute - this is Windows :-)

And - perhaps more importantly - I think if a non-runrev-user runs the 
Player, and then runs an app from within it, they will have the same reaction.

If the support team turn it from a "bug" to an enhancement, I won't be 
surprised or upset - merely a bit concerned about the possible effect on 
the new class of potential users.

-- Alex.

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Intro to Rev stack up

[Judy Perry]

Hi,

For everyone who was interested, made suggestions and comments, and looked
over my project, a big thank you!

I have uploaded it to the User Space.  It is a very basic intro to the
Rev/HC model (stacks, cards, buttons, etc.) and a intro to mouse events.
It is ~6 MB.

Further suggestions, comments, flames (well, okay, no flames, please)
welcomed.  Thanks to Jacque & Andrew for their input and to everyone else
for their help with my questions!

Judy


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Re: Cross-platform fonts...what is everyone else doing? -and-

[Frank Leahy]

Dan,
1. Did you make your clients install the fonts?  If so, how did you do 
it?

2. Would you be interested in licensing the fonts?
-- Frank
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On Jul 30, 2004, at 3:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:14:20 -0700
From: Dan Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cross-platform fonts...what is everyone else doing? -and-
More font woes
To: RunRev Mail List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Greetings...
A couple of years ago, I dealt with all this cross-platform font 
stuff.  I
got so tired of trying to work it out that I finally came up with a 
solution
that has worked perfectly ever since.  What did I do you ask?  Well, it
wasn't cheep, but I hired a fontographer to build two font families 
(plain,
bold, italic, bold-italic) for me.  A serif, and a san-serif.  They 
look a
lot like a subset of Helvetica and Times.  They are specifically 
designed
(spacing, kerning, height, bitmaps and all the other properties) to be
IDENTICAL on both Macs and Windows computers.  I've tested them on Mac 
7.1
to 10.3 - Win 95 to XP and have had no complaints from my clients.  I 
just
install them with my software and *POOF*, all my font issues are gone!

Just thought I would share what I did.
-Dan
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Re: 2.5/Handler running low on memory

[Judy Perry]

And sometimes I get a "backscript error" -- but I haven't used any...

Judy

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 7/30/04 2:17 PM, Judy Perry wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anyone else get this?  Are we supposed to be getting this error
> > message?
> >
> > executing internal 12:16:00 PM
> > TypeHandler: Running low on memory, script aborted
> > Object  revdebugger
> > Lineif item 1 of pWhatError3 is not empty and item 1 of pWhatError3 is
> > not a number then -- user thrown error
> > Hintbutton id 1113 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/Revolution
> > 2.5b1/components/global environment/revlibrary.rev"
> >
> > I get it when I command-period interrupt a handler to make some changes.
> > I understand that I *should* get an error of some sort but don't
> > understand the rest of it.
>
> It's a spurious error, fixed in the next beta. If there really is an
> error, it will be listed underneath this one; just scroll the error
> dialog down to see it.
>
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Re: graphic/group size limitation?

[Frank Leahy]

Actually I think it's 32000.  That was the max size of a QuickDraw  
Grafport.  I've submitted a bug report/enhancement request -- please  
vote for

  
http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi? 
id=1856

-- Frank
Web Photos Pro: Software for Photo Bloggers and Other Photo Power Users
See us on the web at http://www.webphotospro.com/
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:11:39 +0200
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I think size is limited to 65535
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Re: Cross-platform fonts...what is everyone else doing?

[Frank Leahy]

On Jul 28, 2004, at 11:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:12:57 EDT
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Obviously I like it and I wish there was a way to include it with 
Revolution.
But I'm not sure this will solve the problems raised by Judy, they 
seem to be
more of an issue with Windows than with any particular font.
Paul Looney
Does anyone know if it's possible to add the font to a standalone and 
have RunRev use it automatically, i.e. without requiring a separate 
installation procedure?

On the Mac one could presumably add the FONT/FOND resources and not 
have to do a font install.  Is there something similar for fonts on the 
PC so that RunRev would use a font from the standalone?

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Re: Baseline bug??? was Cross-platform fonts...

[Frank Leahy]

Marian,
It's bug  
http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi? 
id=1856, please vote for it.

The characteristics are this:
1. create a bunch of different controls (fields, labels, checkboxes,  
etc.) and set them all to Arial 12 (not necessary, but you can see the  
effect on a cross-platform font this way)
2. make sure they all have some text in them.
3. line them up horizontally so that the baslines all match horizontally
4. place a horizontal line on top of them, at the baseline
5. move the stack to the PC
6. you'll see that all the fields/labels have moved up 1 pixel and the  
other controls have moved down 1 pixel relative to the horizontal line.  
 In other words, the baselines no longer match up.

-- Frank
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From: Marian Petrides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Baseline bug??? was Cross-platform fonts...
To: How to use Revolution <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Pray tell what exactly are the characteristics of the baseline bug?  I
think that may be causing the problems I am having with carefully
aligned buttons and accompanying fields that look fine on one platform
being way off on the other (PC vs Mac).
Where can I find more information about this bug?
M
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Re: 2.5/Handler running low on memory

[SimPLsol]

I get it often as well.
Usually comes after making a change in a script, then saving.
If I click the debug button, it goes to what appears to be Rev engine code - 
but seldom to the same place.
I never encountered this before 2.5b.
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Re: Cross-platform fonts...what is everyone else doing? -and- More font woes

[Dan Shafer]

Dan
How do you install them with a Rev app? If that were possible, I think 
one could do that with other fonts.

Dan
(nice name, BTW).
:-D
On Jul 30, 2004, at 11:14 AM, Dan Friedman wrote:
Greetings...
A couple of years ago, I dealt with all this cross-platform font 
stuff.  I
got so tired of trying to work it out that I finally came up with a 
solution
that has worked perfectly ever since.  What did I do you ask?  Well, it
wasn't cheep, but I hired a fontographer to build two font families 
(plain,
bold, italic, bold-italic) for me.  A serif, and a san-serif.  They 
look a
lot like a subset of Helvetica and Times.  They are specifically 
designed
(spacing, kerning, height, bitmaps and all the other properties) to be
IDENTICAL on both Macs and Windows computers.  I've tested them on Mac 
7.1
to 10.3 - Win 95 to XP and have had no complaints from my clients.  I 
just
install them with my software and *POOF*, all my font issues are gone!

Just thought I would share what I did.
-Dan
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Re: 2.5/Handler running low on memory

[J. Landman Gay]

On 7/30/04 2:17 PM, Judy Perry wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone else get this?  Are we supposed to be getting this error
message?
executing internal 12:16:00 PM
TypeHandler: Running low on memory, script aborted
Object  revdebugger
Lineif item 1 of pWhatError3 is not empty and item 1 of pWhatError3 is
not a number then -- user thrown error
Hintbutton id 1113 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/Revolution
2.5b1/components/global environment/revlibrary.rev"
I get it when I command-period interrupt a handler to make some changes.
I understand that I *should* get an error of some sort but don't
understand the rest of it.
It's a spurious error, fixed in the next beta. If there really is an 
error, it will be listed underneath this one; just scroll the error 
dialog down to see it.

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Re: Unable to delete file from user space

[J. Landman Gay]

On 7/30/04 2:04 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
At 14:45 30/07/2004 -0400, Marian Petrides wrote:
Yeah. It is a bit of a nuisance if I inadvertently hit the close box 
and the IDE quits. But I know better (and no one else was really 
intended to use the IDE to access that particular stack).

OK - I think I'm going to go ahead and enter it as a bug. If the RunRev 
guys decide to just close it "behaving as intended" that'll be OK (I 
guess), but at least the question will have been raised and considered 
by them.
I'd suggest setting it as a feature request. It isn't really a bug.
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RE: Moving a file to the recycle bin

[Frank Leahy]

Ken,
Yes -- put in trash or recyle bin.
Maybe we could get them to add a "trash" or "recycle" keyword?
-- Frank
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Frank,
That's VB code, not VBScript... doesn't look like it uses Shell at all.
So you want to move a file to the recycle bin, but not officially 
delete it
(i.e. what "delete file ..." does)?

Ken Ray
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RE: 2.5/Handler running low on memory

[Ken Ray]

I've gotten that in other places in 2.5 as well, like simply changing
tools...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Judy Perry
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 2:17 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: 2.5/Handler running low on memory
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone else get this?  Are we supposed to be getting 
> this error message?
> 
>   executing internal 12:16:00 PM
> Type  Handler: Running low on memory, script aborted
> Objectrevdebugger
> Line  if item 1 of pWhatError3 is not empty and item 1 of 
> pWhatError3 is
> not a number then -- user thrown error
> Hint  button id 1113 of card id 1002 of stack 
> "/Applications/Revolution
> 2.5b1/components/global environment/revlibrary.rev"
> 
> I get it when I command-period interrupt a handler to make 
> some changes. I understand that I *should* get an error of 
> some sort but don't understand the rest of it.
> 
> Judy
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Re: PreceptorTools

[Stephen Messimer]

Hi Dave,
This is an interesting thought.  I might consider something along these 
lines.  I am not all that familiar with the how to' s of such a 
distribution scheme.

At present PreceptorTools is only available as freeware to teachers and 
hobbyists.  Offering a business class license  would require more time 
and money than I can afford.

 On Friday, July 30, 2004, at 03:06 PM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Stephen;
Just to clarify my last post. What I was asking is if the tools would 
be
released as "open source" so further development work could be done.

Dave

Thanks for your interest.
Steve
Stephen R. Messimer, PA 
208 1st Ave South
Escanaba, MI 49829
H: 906-789-1638
Cell: 906-748-2647
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2.5/Handler running low on memory

[Judy Perry]

Hi,

Does anyone else get this?  Are we supposed to be getting this error
message?

executing internal 12:16:00 PM
TypeHandler: Running low on memory, script aborted
Object  revdebugger
Lineif item 1 of pWhatError3 is not empty and item 1 of pWhatError3 is
not a number then -- user thrown error
Hintbutton id 1113 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/Revolution
2.5b1/components/global environment/revlibrary.rev"

I get it when I command-period interrupt a handler to make some changes.
I understand that I *should* get an error of some sort but don't
understand the rest of it.

Judy


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Re: Dan Shafer? Yes, he...

[Andre Garzia]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 3:22 PM, Mark Brownell wrote:
Oh! you beat me by two minutes...
eheheh I am a quick typer, and also keen on typos too! (I can get the 
typos part thru by saying I am brazilian and that I don't really know 
english). You must meet dan, he is taller than me and much funnier! :D

Cheers
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RE: PreceptorTools

[Dave LeYanna]

Stephen;

Just to clarify my last post. What I was asking is if the tools would be
released as "open source" so further development work could be done.

Dave 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave LeYanna
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:58 PM
To: 'How to use Revolution'
Subject: RE: PreceptorTools

Stephen;

Best of luck with your plans!

RE: your Preceptor Tools. Will I be able to sell something created with them
(business lic) at some point in the future? When we last talked you were not
sure about granting a business lic. Because you thought that would be
required to support it. Are these tools being put into public domain?

Dave LeYanna

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen
Messimer
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 10:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PreceptorTools

Hi All,

This is just to announce to the list that version 1.0.6 will be the last
version of PreceptorTools.  I have decided to return to medical practice and
that will take all of my time. Thanks to all of you who helped with the
development of PreceptorTools.  I would especially like to thank Heather
Nagey  and Kevin Miller. They both provided very useful tips and criticisms
when they were needed.  :-)

Version 1.0.6 of PreceptorTools will continue to be available on the
Messimer Computing web site  for the next year or so and I will still send
out licensing strings for educators and hobbists. After that I expect that I
will probably shut down the site. Sorry, I cannot provide any kind of
support,  I just don't have the time.

It was fun taking the time to learn Rev and to make something useful with
it. Best of luck to everyone. I will continue to lurk around here as it is
fun hanging out with you all.

Best Regards,

Steve

Stephen R. Messimer, PA
208 1st Ave. South  
Escanaba, MI 49829
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Any Rev folks in Carlsbad, CA?

[RGould8]

Is there anyone here on this listserve that lives near Carlsbad, CA?   If so, 
and you do contracting work, I may have a contracting job for you.   It 
hasn't been finalized yet, but it involves passing XML codes back and forth between 
a Mac computer and fiber-optic Westell routers.   This job requires some 
on-site work, so being near Carlsbad is key.   Please email me off the list if you 
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Re: Unable to delete file from user space

[Alex Tweedly]

At 14:45 30/07/2004 -0400, Marian Petrides wrote:
Yeah. It is a bit of a nuisance if I inadvertently hit the close box and 
the IDE quits. But I know better (and no one else was really intended to 
use the IDE to access that particular stack).

OK - I think I'm going to go ahead and enter it as a bug. If the RunRev 
guys decide to just close it "behaving as intended" that'll be OK (I 
guess), but at least the question will have been raised and considered by them.

Thanks
-- Alex.

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Re: Dan Shafer? Yes, he...

[Mark Brownell]

On Friday, July 30, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
Mark,
I thought about that, but my old fiberglass 18 feet boat is not up to  
the task, and also my "sailing license" (don't know how they are  
called in the U.S.) says I am allowed to sail on abridged waters,  
meaning  
"hey-kid-don't-sail-to-far-from-guanabara-bay-that's-dangerous-enough- 
already", but if I am to hijack a guanabara bay sail boat, I can screw  
my license, use a pirate flag and make some profit during the  
voyage :)

andre
I guess the stories about you being funny are true.
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Re: Unable to delete file from user space

[Marian Petrides]

Yeah. It is a bit of a nuisance if I inadvertently hit the close box 
and the IDE quits. But I know better (and no one else was really 
intended to use the IDE to access that particular stack).

M
On Jul 30, 2004, at 2:42 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
I kind of disagree. I don't think an application SHOULD be able to 
make the IDE quit. For a stand-alone app, it makes sense to shutdown 
the app - but in the context of the IDE, it should simply revert back 
to the IDE.
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Re: Dan Shafer? Yes, he...

[Andre Garzia]

Mark,
I thought about that, but my old fiberglass 18 feet boat is not up to  
the task, and also my "sailing license" (don't know how they are called  
in the U.S.) says I am allowed to sail on abridged waters, meaning  
"hey-kid-don't-sail-to-far-from-guanabara-bay-that's-dangerous-enough- 
already", but if I am to hijack a guanabara bay sail boat, I can screw  
my license, use a pirate flag and make some profit during the  
voyage :)

andre
Get a boat... take the Magellan route (**)
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Re: Unable to delete file from user space

[Alex Tweedly]

At 19:54 29/07/2004 -0400, Marian Petrides wrote:
Oops.  That stack wasn't really intended for public consumption.  I was 
just testing the upload, download and delete processes but found I 
couldn't delete it from my user space.
Oops - I realized that later when I caught up with all the email backlog ...
This isn't a bug. The handler in question reads as noted below, so it is 
doing exactly what it was designed to do (quit the app--which if you are 
running it in the IDE turns out to be Rev itself). This stack is intended 
to be run by a loader/splash screen standalone, so having the close box 
quit it that context makes some logical sense.  Choosing yes saves the 
stack then quits, clicking no just quits.  If this were a real app, you'd 
also want a choice to cancel and return to the app.  I just slapped this 
together in response to a query about how to prompt for a save before quitting.
I kind of disagree. I don't think an application SHOULD be able to make the 
IDE quit. For a stand-alone app, it makes sense to shutdown the app - but 
in the context of the IDE, it should simply revert back to the IDE.  I 
could have all kinds of other things going on in the IDE, and it should not 
be up to an individual stack to close the IDE down.

I expect the same situation would apply to the Player - if I start up the 
player, and tell it to load/play stackA, then  I would expect that when 
stackA closed down, I'd be back in the player ready to try something else.

-- Alex.

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Re: Cross-platform fonts

[Marty Knapp]

> I hired a fontographer to build two font families

> Just thought I would share what I did.

Dan,

By "share", might that include making these available at a reasonable price?
You could name the font family appropriately-- "Dan san-serif bold" for
example ;)


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Re: Another dumb-dumb question

[J. Landman Gay]

On 7/30/04 4:56 AM, Malte Brill wrote:
When I get away from blocks I hopefully get back to work. 
Remember RoofRats (an after dark game)?
RoofRats was what made me write Blocks. I practically wore out my copy 
of RoofRats, but I didn't like the silly cartoon characters and I wanted 
to win more often, which is why Blocks includes a wildcard option.

The advantage of writing your own games is that you can include any kind 
of cheat you want. :)

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Re: Dan Shafer? Yes, he...

[Mark Brownell]

On Friday, July 30, 2004, at 11:17 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
I look forward to meet you there, even if I have to hijack some ferry 
boat here and make a two month trip (three for I'll get lost).

Andre
Oh! you beat me by two minutes...
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Re: Dan Shafer? Yes, he...

[Mark Brownell]

On Friday, July 30, 2004, at 11:11 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
So can you please point me to the cheapest way to get to malta? Also 
I'll probably arrive some days early to enjoy more the trip as I did 
on Revolution Masters Sumit.

Thanks!
andre
Get a boat... take the Magellan route (**)
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Re: Dan Shafer? Yes, he...

[Andre Garzia]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 1:27 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
I am really stoked to get a chance to meet some of my fellow 
Revolutionaries in Europe. And Malta looks like it might be "almost" 
as beautiful as Monterey! :-D

We're gonna have some serious fun.
Dan

Dan,
and maybe there they don't speak spanish with me, and they name their 
chinese food the same way our brazilian chinese name them! :D

I look forward to meet you there, even if I have to hijack some ferry 
boat here and make a two month trip (three for I'll get lost).

Andre

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Modplayer external? (was Re: Audio: "What i really would like to have" or "is anyone good in writing externals?"?

[Andre Garzia]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 11:49 AM, Malte Brill wrote:
Hi Mark,
My only question is why do all this inside Rev?
I want to be able to play back modules from within rev. I only need 
minimal
control like starting and stopping. This could reduce filesize 
enormously
when you want to deliver via the web. There are still a few trackers 
around
that allow to export in the old fileformats (like octamed for the pc) 
these
would allow to have whole songs in a few kb.

I just have no idea how to go about this. I know there is that library
around I just don´t know how to use it in combination with rev.
Malte,
are you talking about Mod, S3M and the like? those nice formats we used 
in old DOS game programming?

I am looking on how to play them too, a external to Mikmod (or it was 
modplayer) should be easy to do, there's libmikmod (or whatever it is 
called) that is already made to be embeded in another program, we could 
wrap an external around it... why not give it a try?

Cheers
andre

Thanks for your time,
Malte
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Re: Cross-platform fonts...what is everyone else doing? -and- More font woes

[Dan Friedman]

Greetings...

A couple of years ago, I dealt with all this cross-platform font stuff.  I
got so tired of trying to work it out that I finally came up with a solution
that has worked perfectly ever since.  What did I do you ask?  Well, it
wasn't cheep, but I hired a fontographer to build two font families (plain,
bold, italic, bold-italic) for me.  A serif, and a san-serif.  They look a
lot like a subset of Helvetica and Times.  They are specifically designed
(spacing, kerning, height, bitmaps and all the other properties) to be
IDENTICAL on both Macs and Windows computers.  I've tested them on Mac 7.1
to 10.3 - Win 95 to XP and have had no complaints from my clients.  I just
install them with my software and *POOF*, all my font issues are gone!

Just thought I would share what I did.

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Re: Dan Shafer? Yes, he...

[Andre Garzia]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 5:06 AM, sims wrote:
...is coming to Malta for the European Rev Conference
14-15-16 November 2004 in Malta.
Dan Shafer will be available for discussions, give a talk,
answer questions, and will be part of what is shaping
up to be a great conference.
Malte Brill, Richard Gaskin, Klaus Major, Kevin Miller, Frederic 
Rinaldi, Jan Schenkel,
Dan Shafer...phone's ringing, maybe someone else is calling to say they
are coming...gotta run.

Read about it here:  http://techietours.com/Rev/

Sims,
I am trying to go too!!! But I am low on money, it's a very expensive 
trip from Brazil to Malta. I am making all kinds of jobs here (custom 
programming, video editing, sushiman cooking, etc...) so that you can 
hear my call saying that I am comming too. I really don't know the best 
way to malta, is it a fly to london and another one to malta? or it is 
a flight to somewhere else and then a ferry boat to malta... By saying 
"best" I am saying "cheapest". I can live with no confort, spanish 
speaking custom agents that do not understand that in Brazil we speak 
portuguese, tedious flight security videos, bad food and evil airplane 
chairs. So can you please point me to the cheapest way to get to malta? 
Also I'll probably arrive some days early to enjoy more the trip as I 
did on Revolution Masters Sumit.

Thanks!
andre

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Re: Is a stack open?

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

Yes, and it shows me an easier way to do something else too ;-)
Thank you!  That's exactly what I was looking for.
On Jul 30, 2004, at 13:54, Thierry Arbellot wrote:
Have a look at the openStacks function, this should be the solution to 
your problem

Thierry
On Friday, Jul 30, 2004, at 19:42 Europe/Paris, Frank D. Engel, Jr. 
wrote:

Is there any easy way to determine through Transcript code if a 
particular substack of my main stack is currently open?

Thank you!


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Re: Is a stack open?

[Thierry Arbellot]

Have a look at the openStacks function, this should be the solution to 
your problem

Thierry
On Friday, Jul 30, 2004, at 19:42 Europe/Paris, Frank D. Engel, Jr. 
wrote:

Is there any easy way to determine through Transcript code if a 
particular substack of my main stack is currently open?

Thank you!


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Is a stack open?

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

Is there any easy way to determine through Transcript code if a 
particular substack of my main stack is currently open?

Thank you!


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Re: Can you tell where a handler was called from?

[Mark Wieder]

Ken-

Thursday, July 29, 2004, 11:37:15 PM, you wrote:

KR> It's not documented, but it is used in the MetaCard IDE (and I assume the
KR> RevIDE as well)...

KR> Cool stuff, huh?

Very cool. Now that I know about it, I started poking around in the
error handler code and found it being used. So even though it's not
documented it's probably not going away any time soon.

...now to implement that stack trace...

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Re: Lock Screen disables Lock Messages (???)

[J. Landman Gay]

On 7/30/04 4:34 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>> The "lock messages" command does not stop all messaging. It mostly
>> only stops the navigation messages -- such as openCard, openStack,
>> preOpenCard, etc.
>
>
> This is not true. The "lock messages" command stops all messages that
> are not sent from the current handler or handlers called by the current
> handler.
Well, it's true but I suppose not in the way we were discussing, if I 
understand it right. Lock messages will stop all navigation messages. 
Other system messages are also not sent while the handler is running, 
but are queued and sent after the handler finishes (which is pretty much 
normal behavior anyway.) Navigation messages, however, are not queued 
while lock messages is true.

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RE: PreceptorTools

[Dave LeYanna]

Stephen;

Best of luck with your plans!

RE: your Preceptor Tools. Will I be able to sell something created with them
(business lic) at some point in the future? When we last talked you were not
sure about granting a business lic. Because you thought that would be
required to support it. Are these tools being put into public domain?

Dave LeYanna

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Subject: PreceptorTools

Hi All,

This is just to announce to the list that version 1.0.6 will be the last
version of PreceptorTools.  I have decided to return to medical practice and
that will take all of my time. Thanks to all of you who helped with the
development of PreceptorTools.  I would especially like to thank Heather
Nagey  and Kevin Miller. They both provided very useful tips and criticisms
when they were needed.  :-)

Version 1.0.6 of PreceptorTools will continue to be available on the
Messimer Computing web site  for the next year or so and I will still send
out licensing strings for educators and hobbists. After that I expect that I
will probably shut down the site. Sorry, I cannot provide any kind of
support,  I just don't have the time.

It was fun taking the time to learn Rev and to make something useful with
it. Best of luck to everyone. I will continue to lurk around here as it is
fun hanging out with you all.

Best Regards,

Steve

Stephen R. Messimer, PA
208 1st Ave. South  
Escanaba, MI 49829
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Re: Dan Shafer? Yes, he...

[Dan Shafer]

I am really stoked to get a chance to meet some of my fellow 
Revolutionaries in Europe. And Malta looks like it might be "almost" as 
beautiful as Monterey! :-D

We're gonna have some serious fun.
Dan
On Jul 30, 2004, at 1:06 AM, sims wrote:
...is coming to Malta for the European Rev Conference
14-15-16 November 2004 in Malta.
Dan Shafer will be available for discussions, give a talk,
answer questions, and will be part of what is shaping
up to be a great conference.
Malte Brill, Richard Gaskin, Klaus Major, Kevin Miller, Frederic 
Rinaldi, Jan Schenkel,
Dan Shafer...phone's ringing, maybe someone else is calling to say they
are coming...gotta run.

Read about it here:  http://techietours.com/Rev/
Email me so I know you're coming:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: padding out revXMLText

[joel.guillod]

Oops Sarah,

I use an undocumented feature of the revXMLText (not revXMLTree!) with a third 
parameter with 
value TRUE in order to get the formatted xml:

put revXMLText(treeID[[,startNode],formatted]) into tFormattedXML

I have probably found the undocumented features by analysing the script of the xmltree-
view.rev stack in the sample stacks Folder. Below is a summary of all the API I have 
extracted 
from stack "xmltree-view.rev". If any one found parameters to fixed, please let me 
know (or 
better let rr know).

Joel

- revDeleteAllXMLTrees command : Removes all XML tree structures in memory.
- revDeleteXMLTree treeID command : Removes an XML tree structure from memory.
- revXMLAddDTD treeID,DTDText command : Adds an internal DTD to an existing XML tree.
- revXMLRemoveAttribute treeID,node,attributeName command : remove the specified 
attributes.
- revSetXMLAttribute treeID,node,attributeName,newValue command : Creates an attribute 
of a 
node, or sets the value of an existing attribute.
- revPutIntoXMLNode treeID,node,newContents command : Sets the contents of a node in 
an 
XML tree.
- revDeleteXMLNode treeID,nodeToDelete command : Removes a node from an XML tree.
- revAppendXML treeID,parentNode,newXML command : Adds XML text to an XML tree.
- revAddXMLNode treeID,parentPath,nodeName,nodeContents command : Adds a child node to 
the specified node in an XML tree.
- revCreateXMLTree(XMLText,parseBadData,createTree,sendMessages) function : Creates an 
XML tree structure from XML text data.
- revCreateXMLTreeFromFile(filePath,parseBadData,createTree,sendMessages) function : 
Reads 
an XML file, optionally creating an XML tree.
- revXMLAttribute(treeID,node,attributeName) function : Returns the value of the 
specified 
attribute of the specified node of an XML tree.
- revXMLAttributes(treeID,node,valueDelim,attributeDelim) function : Returns a list of 
all 
attributes and their values for the specified node.
- revXMLAttributeValues(treeID,startNode,childName,attributeName,delimiter,depth) 
function : 
Returns a list of the values of a specified attribute for the specified nodes in an 
XML tree.
- revXMLChildContents(treeID,startNode,tagDelim,nodeDelim,includeChildCount,depth) 
function : Returns a list of the tags and text contents of the specified nodes.
- revXMLChildNames(treeID,startNode,nameDelim,childName,includeChildCount) function : 
Returns a list of the child nodes under the specified node in an XML tree.
- revXMLMatchingNode(treeID,startNode,childName,attributeName,attributeValue,depth) 
function : Finds the node in an XML tree where the specified attribute of the node has 
the 
specified value.
- revXMLNodeContents(treeID,node) function : Returns the text contained in the 
specified node 
in an XML tree.
- revXMLNumberOfChildren(treeID,startNode,childName,depth) function : Returns the 
number 
of child nodes under the specified node in an XML tree.
- revXMLParent(treeID,childNode) function : Returns the path to the parent node of a 
node in an 
XML tree.
- revXMLFirstChild(treeID,parentNode) function : Returns the path to a node’s first 
child node.
- revXMLPreviousSibling(treeID,siblingNode) function : Returns the path to a child 
node’s 
previous sibling node.
- revXMLNextSibling(treeID,siblingNode) function : Returns the path to a child node’s 
next 
sibling node.
- revXMLRootNode(treeID) function : Returns the path to the starting node of an XML 
tree.
- revXMLText(treeID[[,startNode],formatted]) function : Returns the contents of an XML 
tree as 
XML text.
- revXMLTree(treeID,startNode,nodeDelim,padding,includeChildCount,depth) function : 
Returns 
a list of the nodes in an XML tree, in a form that shows their parent/child 
relationships.
- revXMLTrees() function : Returns a list of all XML trees in memory.
- revXMLValidateDTD(treeID,DTDText) function : Checks whether the syntax of an XML 
tree 
conforms to a DTD.
- revStartXMLData elementData message : Sent to the current card when the 
revCreateXMLTree 
or revCreateXMLTreeFromFile function encounters data between tags while parsing an XML 
document.
- revEndXMLNode message : Sent to the current card when the revCreateXMLTreeFromFile 
function encounters a closing tag while parsing an XML file.
- revEndXMLTree message : Sent to the current card when the revCreateXMLTreeFromFile 
function finishes parsing an XML document.
- revStartXMLTree message : Sent to the current card when the revCreateXMLTreeFromFile 
function starts parsing an XML document.
- revStartXMLNode nodeAttributes message : Sent to the current card when the 
revCreateXMLTreeFromFile function encounters an opening tag while parsing an XML file.


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Adressbook [was] Unable to delete file from user space

[Malte Brill]

Hi Alex,

>I was browsing around the User Spaces, and played your Address Book example.

>When I closed the window, it asked "Do you want to save?", I said No - and
>it quit all the way out of Revolution. I'm not sure if it should do that or
>not - the other stacks I've Played so far didn't.

>Does that happen when you Play it ?
>Is it a bug I should report ?

Take a look at the stacks script. ;-)
There is a handler executing quit in it.
No need to report.

Best,

Malte

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Re: Another dumb-dumb question

[Malte Brill]

Hi wouter,

>If  your nice demo is an uploaded demo (and no link)

Oh! one can simply post links there? I definitely need to play more with it.
:-)

>then you also 
>succeeded in uploading your password protected lib.
>If the above is true then a not password protected wrapper (like an
>installer stack) may be the way to go.

You are absolutely right. I can upload it if it is a substack. Just wondered
why I failed uploading the lib itself. The wrapper approach is a good way to
go.

Thanks,

Malte


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Re: Another dumb-dumb question

[Wouter]

•From: Malte Brill
• Subject: Re: Another dumb-dumb question
• Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 02:56:14 -0700
-- snip
Back to topic. It doesn´t seem possible to upload password protected 
stacks.
Or am I doing something wrong? Maybe it is not wanted (and I could
understand that) but I can´t put libRMC on my userspace for that 
reason. :-)

Best,
Malte
Hi Malte,
If  your nice demo is an uploaded demo (and no link)  then you also 
succeeded in uploading your password protected lib.
If the above is true then a not password protected wrapper (like an 
installer stack) may be the way to go.

Greetings,
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Re: Another dumb-dumb question

[Malte Brill]

Hi Jaque and all,

> Malte, your demo thingy is amazing.

Thanks a lot. :-)

It was an early Test for libRMC. Actually I didn´t want to release it too
early, but I am so eager being on Malta that I couldn´t resist. Doing the
animation took 5 Minutes. 15 Minutes for Photoshop and 20 for the Music. I´m
really happy that I won´t need to use the anim manager for animation in Rev
any longer. To be honest I never got how it works. That´s the main reason
why I coded libRMC.

When I get away from blocks I hopefully get back to work. 
Remember RoofRats (an after dark game)?

Back to topic. It doesn´t seem possible to upload password protected stacks.
Or am I doing something wrong? Maybe it is not wanted (and I could
understand that) but I can´t put libRMC on my userspace for that reason. :-)


Best,

Malte

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Re: iTunes and rev

[Yves COPPE]

Le 29-juil.-04, à 19:30, Scott Rossi a écrit :


1) I assume that your "bibliothèque" library is the first library in 
iTunes,
so you should be able to do this:

 "get name of every track of playlist 1"
2) I don't know if there's a way to get multiple properties of all 
tracks.
AppleScript is very finicky and IMO not as intuitive as a talk 
language.
But you could get the name and artist properties and combine them into 
a
single list.  To get a list of artists, use the above function and 
replace
"track" with "artist":

  function getArtists
   put \
   "tell application" && quote & "iTunes" & quote & cr &\
   "get artist of every track of playlist 1" cr &\
   "end tell" into s
   do s as AppleScript
   put the result into tList
   return tList
  end getArtists
Once you have the two lists of data, combine them into a single list.
Another option would be use a repeat loop to grab each track, one at a 
time,
and get its properties, but I think this is very inefficient.  Better 
to
grab everything in two calls and parse/assemble them in Rev.


Hi Scott
Thank you for your scripts
it works great !
Greetings.
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Re: More libRMC

[Malte Brill]

Hi Yves,

it seems I´ve lost a space again. I´m glad Klaus offered 2 returns instead.
;-)

If there is interest I´ll put together a more beautiful demo. I hope the
actual Demo helps getting you started anyway.

I´ll prepare a homepage for libRMC soon. Maybe I put on the Docs as a PDF
file.

Best,

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Dan Shafer? Yes, he...

[sims]

...is coming to Malta for the European Rev Conference
14-15-16 November 2004 in Malta.
Dan Shafer will be available for discussions, give a talk,
answer questions, and will be part of what is shaping
up to be a great conference.
Malte Brill, Richard Gaskin, Klaus Major, Kevin Miller, Frederic 
Rinaldi, Jan Schenkel,
Dan Shafer...phone's ringing, maybe someone else is calling to say they
are coming...gotta run.

Read about it here:  http://techietours.com/Rev/
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