Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 11, Issue 118

2004-08-31 Thread Mark Smith
Yes, I checked the docs on this issue, but this a mac situation, no 
windows involved...

Cheers,
Mark Smith
On 31 Aug 2004, at 04:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could it be related to all the formatForPrinting issues that I've been
having in another thread? Are you setting the formatForPrinting
property? Windows printing fonts are often a different size than their
screen equivalents.
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Re: db connection

2004-08-31 Thread Pierre Sahores
Le 31 août 04, à 00:25, Hershel Fisch a écrit :
On Monday, August 30, 2004, at 05:02 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Hello Hershel,
Did you try this :
put  
revOpenDatabase(PostgreSQL,localhost,projetsdac,postgres,pos 
tgres) into PGLinkOpen
with the second postgres item as the default postgres user password  
(to be replaced by the right one if you changed it) ?
Ok ,
1) I don't have a password on my Db.
If Postgres is rightly installed, the default system postgres (with  
default postgres password) has been created during the installation  
process : so it exists. Else the installation process didn't complete.

2) If this is the case then why is the err , invalid database type.
To see if postgres is running normally lauch the activity monitor app  
and search the postgres thread. To see if the postgres user is  
rightly set, test su - postgres at the shell prompt and, then if you  
are prompted for the password, type postgres. If something goes  
wrong, postgres need to be reinstalled (prefer the Marc Liyanage's  
installer -- http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/postgresql/).

3) Using  X 10.2.8
Seems OK.
4) put  revOpenDatabase(MySQL,127.0.0.1,test,postgres,) when I  
don't have mySql running, into the message box crashes or Freezes RR.
Don't tell RR to connect MySQL if you want to access a PostgreSQL  
server...

Thanks in advanced. Hershel
Hope this can help,
Best, Pierre

Works there, at least under Panther.
Le 30 août 04, à 22:03, Hershel Fisch a écrit :
Hi all,
put  revOpenDatabase(PostgreSQL,127.0.0.1,test,postgres,)   
revdberr,invalid database type . Is this because its not the final  
release  ?
Hershel Fisch
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Re: Revolution 2.5 Release Candidate 2

2004-08-31 Thread Pierre Sahores
Works fine there, including the RevOnline features ;D
Best, Pierre
Le 30 août 04, à 21:52, Mark Chia a écrit :
Hi Folks,
Release candidate 2 is now up for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux.
A few things to note:
You won't be able to access any of the external web browser links in
this yet, as they point to the updated web site which is currently
password protected as it gets finished.  The new site will go live when
we launch.
The content for the Learning Center is still not finished.  This is
something we can update online without having to release another  
version
of the product.  It will be up over the next couple of days.  The
installation process now detects if the correct video codec has been
installed.

The keys needed to unlock this release have not changed since beta 2.
Note that the store and key generation systems will be taken up and  
down
throughout the weekend as we upgrade them in final preparation for
release. Please do not email support if you are unable to get a key  
from
the system because it is down - support does not have access to the
system when it is down either.  Apologies in advance for any
inconvenience, this disruption is unavoidable and will create a better
system for all.

We're aware of an issue in the Documentation freezing for a minute or  
so
when accessing it with Web Notes turned on at the same time as
downloading a video from Rev Online.  We'll probably patch this in a
minor rebuild before we ship.

The Sample Stacks that used to be shipped with the product will be
included on the updated site as an optional download, this is so that
the new Sample Projects, which are carefully designed and commented for
learning, are the ones that new users are pointed to.  We will also be
including the new Externals SDK on the updated web site when it goes
live.
At this time we are no longer able to respond to minor glitches or
annoyances reported.  This is because we must change as little as
possible in any rebuild to ensure we don't introduce any new issues.
Please do not give these URLs out.  Classic is still to follow.
http://www.runrev.com/downloads/distributions/2.5RC2/linux.tgz
http://www.runrev.com/downloads/distributions/2.5RC2/revolution-2.5- 
rc2.i386.rpm
http://www.runrev.com/downloads/distributions/2.5RC2/revsetup.exe
http://www.runrev.com/downloads/distributions/2.5RC2/revolution.zip
http://www.runrev.com/downloads/distributions/2.5RC2/revolutionosx.dmg

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[ANN]ChatRev1.2

2004-08-31 Thread Björnke von Gierke
Its time again to update your chatrev stack. New features are:
Several bug fixes
UI enhancements
Multi line messages
styled text messages
also new since this release are 3th party chat stacks. Several people 
are working on these, and will release them when its time.

Download chatrev 1.2 by typing this into the message box:
go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.2.rev;
look at the server with its new UI:
go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrevserver1.2.rev;
you might also be interested in a short summary about the chatrev 
protocol:
http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev.txt

have fun!
Bjoernke
()()()()()()()()()()
Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.2.rev;
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New RunRev site...

2004-08-31 Thread Chipp Walters
www.runrev.com
Really nice! Great job RunRev team!
-Chipp
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Re: Revolution 2.5 Release Candidate 2

2004-08-31 Thread Roger . E . Eller
On 08/31/2004 at 06:57 AM Pierre Sahores [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Works fine there, including the RevOnline features ;D
 
 Best, Pierre

I wish I could say the same for RevOnline. I filed bugzilla# 1962 when I 
discovered in 2.5RC1 that it doesn't work when I am at work. Most internet 
savy apps are firewall-aware, and will prompt when authentication is 
required. Not so with RevOnline...  :-(

http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1962

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Re: New RunRev site...

2004-08-31 Thread Mark Brownell
On Tuesday, August 31, 2004, at 10:40 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:
www.runrev.com
Really nice! Great job RunRev team!
-Chipp
Garr-oo-vee, this new site is beautivile.
mb
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RE: [ANN]ChatRev1.2

2004-08-31 Thread MisterX
Hey guys,

I highly recommend ChatRev. Not just because I'll soon announce one of 
'em 3rd party ChatRev Wannabe but because it finally makes sockets fun 
to learn and simple to use. 

Just wanted to say Good Job BvG!


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bjornke von
 Gierke
 Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 15:03
 To: How to use Revolution
 Subject: [ANN]ChatRev1.2
 
 
 Its time again to update your chatrev stack. New features are:
 Several bug fixes
 UI enhancements
 Multi line messages
 styled text messages
 
 also new since this release are 3th party chat stacks. Several people 
 are working on these, and will release them when its time.
 
 Download chatrev 1.2 by typing this into the message box:
 go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.2.rev;
 
 look at the server with its new UI:
 go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrevserver1.2.rev;
 
 you might also be interested in a short summary about the chatrev 
 protocol:
 http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev.txt
 
 have fun!
 Bjoernke
 
 ()()()()()()()()()()
 Chat with other RunRev developers:
 go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.2.rev;
 
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Re: New RunRev site...

2004-08-31 Thread Dan Shafer
What can I say? Wow.
This is world-class both in design and in content. I found it easy to 
navigate, easy to understand the products and their differentiation, 
easy to buy my book ( :-) ) and aesthetically clean and simple.

Great job, folks. Really great.
On Aug 31, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:
Recently, Chipp Walters wrote:
www.runrev.com
Really nice! Great job RunRev team!
Echo what Chipp said.
The information provided and the way it is presented is an absolutely
stellar improvement.  RunRev.com is now on par with other players in 
the
industry.  All the folks involved in this update truly deserve big 
kudos.

Well done.
Regards,
Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development  Design
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Re: New RunRev site...

2004-08-31 Thread Judy Perry
Wow

Huge improvement!

Judy


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Re: db connection

2004-08-31 Thread Hershel Fisch
On Tuesday, August 31, 2004, at 05:37 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Le 31 août 04, à 00:25, Hershel Fisch a écrit :
On Monday, August 30, 2004, at 05:02 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Hello Hershel,
Did you try this :
put  
revOpenDatabase(PostgreSQL,localhost,projetsdac,postgres,po 
stgres) into PGLinkOpen
with the second postgres item as the default postgres user  
password (to be replaced by the right one if you changed it) ?
Ok ,
1) I don't have a password on my Db.
If Postgres is rightly installed, the default system postgres (with  
default postgres password) has been created during the installation  
process : so it exists. Else the installation process didn't complete.
Got that , doesn't help. And also with RR 2.2.1 works without problems.

2) If this is the case then why is the err , invalid database type.
To see if postgres is running normally lauch the activity monitor app  
and search the postgres thread. To see if the postgres user is  
rightly set, test su - postgres at the shell prompt and, then if you  
are prompted for the password, type postgres. If something goes  
wrong, postgres need to be reinstalled (prefer the Marc Liyanage's  
installer -- http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/postgresql/).
Sorry , don't know what and where the activity monitor is.
The su - postgres is ok.
And I did use entropy's installation.

4) put  revOpenDatabase(MySQL,127.0.0.1,test,postgres,) when  
I don't have mySql running, into the message box crashes or Freezes  
RR.
Don't tell RR to connect MySQL if you want to access a PostgreSQL  
server...

Thanks in advanced. Hershel
Hope this can help,
Best, Pierre
Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores
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2.5 Release Candidate 2 link not working?

2004-08-31 Thread Dave LeYanna
 
I saw that store and key generation systems may be down over the weekend but
I still can't get to the RC2 files in Mark's links and it is Tuesday.

Am I missing something?

Dave



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Chia
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 3:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Revolution 2.5 Release Candidate 2

Hi Folks, 

Release candidate 2 is now up for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux.

A few things to note:

You won't be able to access any of the external web browser links in this
yet, as they point to the updated web site which is currently password
protected as it gets finished.  The new site will go live when we launch.

The content for the Learning Center is still not finished.  This is
something we can update online without having to release another version of
the product.  It will be up over the next couple of days.  The installation
process now detects if the correct video codec has been installed.

The keys needed to unlock this release have not changed since beta 2. 
Note that the store and key generation systems will be taken up and down
throughout the weekend as we upgrade them in final preparation for release.
Please do not email support if you are unable to get a key from the system
because it is down - support does not have access to the system when it is
down either.  Apologies in advance for any inconvenience, this disruption is
unavoidable and will create a better system for all.

We're aware of an issue in the Documentation freezing for a minute or so
when accessing it with Web Notes turned on at the same time as downloading a
video from Rev Online.  We'll probably patch this in a minor rebuild before
we ship.

The Sample Stacks that used to be shipped with the product will be included
on the updated site as an optional download, this is so that the new Sample
Projects, which are carefully designed and commented for learning, are the
ones that new users are pointed to.  We will also be including the new
Externals SDK on the updated web site when it goes live.

At this time we are no longer able to respond to minor glitches or
annoyances reported.  This is because we must change as little as possible
in any rebuild to ensure we don't introduce any new issues.

Please do not give these URLs out.  Classic is still to follow.

http://www.runrev.com/downloads/distributions/2.5RC2/linux.tgz
http://www.runrev.com/downloads/distributions/2.5RC2/revolution-2.5-rc2.i386
.rpm
http://www.runrev.com/downloads/distributions/2.5RC2/revsetup.exe
http://www.runrev.com/downloads/distributions/2.5RC2/revolution.zip
http://www.runrev.com/downloads/distributions/2.5RC2/revolutionosx.dmg


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Re: New RunRev site...

2004-08-31 Thread Hershel Fisch
On Tuesday, August 31, 2004, at 02:23 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
What can I say? Wow.
This is world-class both in design and in content. I found it easy to 
navigate, easy to understand the products and their differentiation, 
easy to buy my book ( :-) ) and aesthetically clean and simple.
Beautiful site .
Hershel
Great job, folks. Really great.
On Aug 31, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:
Recently, Chipp Walters wrote:
www.runrev.com
Really nice! Great job RunRev team!
Echo what Chipp said.
The information provided and the way it is presented is an absolutely
stellar improvement.  RunRev.com is now on par with other players in 
the
industry.  All the folks involved in this update truly deserve big 
kudos.

Well done.
Regards,
Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development  Design
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Update ?

2004-08-31 Thread Dominique Bodin
Hello,
What a current registred user needs to download to upgrade from
2.2 rev to 2.5 rev ?
Thank's.
Dominique Bodin
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Re: New RunRev site...

2004-08-31 Thread Robert Brenstein
www.runrev.com
Really nice! Great job RunRev team!
-Chipp
Indeed. It IS a biiig improvement.
Robert
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Re: New RunRev site...

2004-08-31 Thread Troy Rollins
www.runrev.com
Really nice! Great job RunRev team!
-Chipp
Indeed. It IS a biiig improvement.
All very true, the site is much improved... however, I don't see any 
way for existing customers to download the latest version without 
signing up for a free trial and being emailed a trial key.
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Re: Revolution Studio and Enterprise 2.5 Released

2004-08-31 Thread Devin Asay
I see RunRev has officially released 2.5. [Congrats!]
Anybody know whether there are any differences between this and 2.5RC2?
Devin
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RE: New RunRev site...

2004-08-31 Thread Dave LeYanna
Your solution is the one I am trying. I'll be using my old key. I'll let you
know how it works...

Dave 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:24 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: New RunRev site...

 www.runrev.com

 Really nice! Great job RunRev team!

 -Chipp

 Indeed. It IS a biiig improvement.

All very true, the site is much improved... however, I don't see any way for
existing customers to download the latest version without signing up for a
free trial and being emailed a trial key.
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RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net

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Re: New RunRev site...

2004-08-31 Thread Marian Petrides
While you were sending this to the list, Troy, I was emailing Rev 
support with the same issue.  If there's a way for existing customers 
to go directly to the downloads page, I'm not finding it either 
(whether as a link from the website itself or via 
www.runrev.com/downloads/

M
On Aug 31, 2004, at 4:23 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:
All very true, the site is much improved... however, I don't see any 
way for existing customers to download the latest version without 
signing up for a free trial and being emailed a trial key.
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Downloads page workaround (was Re: New RunRev site...)

2004-08-31 Thread Marian Petrides
Until RunRev gets around to fixing this oversight, the url for the 
downloads page is:

http://downloads.runrev.com/revolution/
M
On Aug 31, 2004, at 4:23 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:
www.runrev.com
Really nice! Great job RunRev team!
-Chipp
Indeed. It IS a biiig improvement.
All very true, the site is much improved... however, I don't see any 
way for existing customers to download the latest version without 
signing up for a free trial and being emailed a trial key.
--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net

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Bugzilla and Dox in nested folder

2004-08-31 Thread Marian Petrides
Where did Bugzilla go to?  I got an email yesterday reporting that the 
problem with the Rev Dox giving an xmlerr if Rev resides in a folder 
whose path includes special characters (namely   ) was resolved. But 
it is definitely NOT resolved in 2.5 final release.

OS X version: go to documentation, click on dictionary (select a few 
items, works fine). Now click on topics, get message box with xmlerr, 
can't parse xml.  Don't get topics list AND I can no longer select an 
item in the dictionary and see its definition--dox are stuck on the 
page for the last dictionary entry I viewed.

M
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Two sided printing

2004-08-31 Thread Michael D Mays
Hi,
How do I set up my printer with a script to do two sided printing, pick 
which tray to print from, ...?

Thanks,
Michael
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Re: Bugzilla and Dox in nested folder

2004-08-31 Thread Marian Petrides
BTW, this was bugzilla 2088 and I have some additional information to 
share:

It not only hangs the documentation but it often hangs Rev 
(necessitating a forced quit), unless you exit the dox immediately.

Temporary fix:  Just don't use special characters (like   opt-f, 
opt-; ) in naming any of the folders Rev 2.5 is nested in.

M
On Aug 31, 2004, at 4:49 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:
Where did Bugzilla go to?  I got an email yesterday reporting that the 
problem with the Rev Dox giving an xmlerr if Rev resides in a folder 
whose path includes special characters (namely   ) was resolved. But 
it is definitely NOT resolved in 2.5 final release.

OS X version: go to documentation, click on dictionary (select a few 
items, works fine). Now click on topics, get message box with xmlerr, 
can't parse xml.  Don't get topics list AND I can no longer select an 
item in the dictionary and see its definition--dox are stuck on the 
page for the last dictionary entry I viewed.

M
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WebDAV implementation?

2004-08-31 Thread Frank Leahy
Has anyone done a WebDAV implementation in RunRev?  Would they be 
willing to share it?

Thanks,
-- Frank Leahy
Web Photos Pro: Software for Photo Bloggers and Other Photo Power Users
See us on the web at http://www.webphotospro.com/
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Re: New RunRev site...

2004-08-31 Thread Robert Brenstein
All very true, the site is much improved... however, I don't see any 
way for existing customers to download the latest version without 
signing up for a free trial and being emailed a trial key.
--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net
Hopefully, they update the ftp site soon. The 2.2.1 is still the 
'current' version there.

ftp://ftp.runrev.com/pub/revolution/downloads/distributions/
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ANN: Revolution Dreamcard

2004-08-31 Thread Rod McCall
Dear Revolutionaries,
We are delighted to announce two new products today, the first being 
the new Revolution Dreamcard 2.5, and the second being Revolution 2.5. 
More news on Revolution 2.5 follows in a separate email.

Dreamcard is software design and programming for the rest of us. If 
you've been waiting for the successor to Hypercard then this is it, 
however unlike Hypercard you can share your software with anyone who 
has the free Dreamcard Player, on any platform! With Dreamcard you can 
do anything from writing games to  finding out how to program, and make 
professional looking software easily!

Dreamcard is ideal for new and intermediate programmers, so whether 
your are a hobbyist, student, teacher or user interface professional, 
with Dreamcard you can build what you want quickly and easily. We've 
added new features such as video tutorials, printable PDF tutorials and 
our new RevOnline service. Each of these making it even easier to get 
started, or to find out more.

To find out whether it's Dreamcard or Revolution which best suits your 
needs pay our new look website at http://www.runrev.com

We would like to thank everyone who has supported Revolution so far and 
hope you will take the time to try out Dreamcard 2.5 and spread the 
word!

Best,
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Re: nu site...insightful

2004-08-31 Thread Meitnik
Kudos, well done, finally!

Now, since your pushing strong x-platform, lets get win32 stuff fixed fast 
;-)
My Mac app is very stable but my windows version is breaking. Tried filing a 
bug report but BZ is off line now...soon, I hope...

Andrew
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[ANN] RevZilla 1.1.3 Available

2004-08-31 Thread Ken Ray
RevZilla 1.1.3 is available, with the primary change being that it works
with the new location of Bugzilla (support.runrev.com/bugdatabase).

A much more enhanced version of RevZilla is under development and will be
released as RevZilla 2.0, and I wasn't planning on releasing an interim
build but the web site change demanded that I do so.

So until RevZilla 2.0 is released, RevZilla 1.1.3 will only be available
through RevNet (Development - Plugins - Go RevNet, click on Stacks)

I'll keep you all posted,

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Re: New RunRev site...

2004-08-31 Thread Pierre Sahores
Dear Rev Team,
RR 2.5 + The Web Site. Congratulations and many Thanks ! This all is 
going to help us so much in both technical and marketing tasks :D

Kind Regards, Pierre
Le 31 août 04, à 20:23, Dan Shafer a écrit :
What can I say? Wow.
This is world-class both in design and in content. I found it easy to 
navigate, easy to understand the products and their differentiation, 
easy to buy my book ( :-) ) and aesthetically clean and simple.

Great job, folks. Really great.
On Aug 31, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:
Recently, Chipp Walters wrote:
www.runrev.com
Really nice! Great job RunRev team!
Echo what Chipp said.
The information provided and the way it is presented is an absolutely
stellar improvement.  RunRev.com is now on par with other players in 
the
industry.  All the folks involved in this update truly deserve big 
kudos.

Well done.
Regards,
Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development  Design
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Fwd: Google News Alert - runtime revolution

2004-08-31 Thread Pierre Sahores
:D
Début du message réexpédié :
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Date: 1 septembre 2004 01:04:01 GMT+02:00
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Objet: Google News Alert - runtime revolution
DREAMCARD offers Hypercard-like environment
MacNN - USA
Revolution Dreamcard is a new easy-to-use development environment from
Runtime Revolution. Created for a wide variety of users (educators ...
http://www.macnn.com/news/26079
APPLE Expo: Dreamcard simplifies programming
MacWorld - USA
Runtime Revolution announced at the Apple Expo in Paris the release of
Dreamcard, a HyperCard-like application that enables hobbyists, 
students
and other ...
http://www.macworld.com/news/2004/08/31/dreamcard/index.php

This daily-once News Alert is brought to you by Google News (BETA)...
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Remove this News Alert:
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Re: db connection

2004-08-31 Thread Hershel Fisch


2) If this is the case then why is the err , invalid database type.
To see if postgres is running normally lauch the activity monitor app 
and search the postgres thread. To see if the postgres user is 
rightly set, test su - postgres at the shell prompt and, then if 
you are prompted for the password, type postgres. If something goes 
wrong, postgres need to be reinstalled (prefer the Marc Liyanage's 
installer -- http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/postgresql/).
Sorry , don't know what and where the activity monitor is.
The su - postgres is ok.
And I did use entropy's installation.
[Hershel-Fischs-Computer:~] hershel% su - postgres
Password:
[Hershel-Fischs-Computer:~] postgres% /usr/local/bin/pg_ctl stop -D 
/usr/local/pgsql/data/
waiting for postmaster to shut down..done
postmaster successfully shut down
[Hershel-Fischs-Computer:~] postgres% /usr/local/bin/postmaster -D 
/usr/local/pgsql/data -i
LOG:  database system was shut down at 2004-08-31 19:11:05 EDT
LOG:  checkpoint record is at 0/C1E4D0
LOG:  redo record is at 0/C1E4D0; undo record is at 0/0; shutdown TRUE
LOG:  next transaction id: 6911; next oid: 19457
LOG:  database system is ready


4) put  revOpenDatabase(MySQL,127.0.0.1,test,postgres,) when 
I don't have mySql running, into the message box crashes or Freezes 
RR.
Don't tell RR to connect MySQL if you want to access a PostgreSQL 
server...

Thanks in advanced. Hershel
Hope this can help,
Best, Pierre
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Re: New RunRev site...

2004-08-31 Thread Richard K. Herz
The pages at the new site load slowly here (fast connection at university in 
western US on 2.2GHz PC).  Maybe it's slow because we are all hitting the 
site today or, hopefully, all the new customers are hitting it...

Also would expect rollover effects on the main navigation links but don't 
see them.

Rich Herz 

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RE: Bugzilla and Dox in nested folder

2004-08-31 Thread Monte Goulding


OK... looks like we need to reopen that one.

BTW, this was bugzilla 2088 and I have some additional information to
share:

It not only hangs the documentation but it often hangs Rev
(necessitating a forced quit), unless you exit the dox immediately.

Temporary fix:  Just don't use special characters (like   opt-f,
opt-; ) in naming any of the folders Rev 2.5 is nested in.

M


On Aug 31, 2004, at 4:49 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:

 Where did Bugzilla go to?  I got an email yesterday reporting that the
 problem with the Rev Dox giving an xmlerr if Rev resides in a folder
 whose path includes special characters (namely   ) was resolved. But
 it is definitely NOT resolved in 2.5 final release.

 OS X version: go to documentation, click on dictionary (select a few
 items, works fine). Now click on topics, get message box with xmlerr,
 can't parse xml.  Don't get topics list AND I can no longer select an
 item in the dictionary and see its definition--dox are stuck on the
 page for the last dictionary entry I viewed.

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Bugzilla - New Location

2004-08-31 Thread Ken Ray
After RunRev revamped their site, Bugzilla got moved. This is the new URL:

  http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/query.cgi?GoAheadAndLogIn=1

If you haven't already gotten the notice about RevZIlla 1.1.3 (I sent it
before this one and didn't see it on the list before I sent this), you can
get it from RevNet - 1.1.3 works with the new Bugzilla location.

HTH,

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O'Reilly OS X Conference Will Have Rev Session

2004-08-31 Thread Dan Shafer
Just thought the list might be interested in knowing that a proposal I 
made to the O'Reilly folks about presenting a session on our favorite 
programming tool at their upcoming Mac OS X conference (details at 
http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2004/). My plan is to include a 
walk-through of a representative sampling of programs written in 
Revolution as 1/3 of the presentation, so if you have any ideas or 
suggestions, please let me know.

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Re: Bugzilla and Dox in nested folder

2004-08-31 Thread Marian Petrides
Monte,
Do I need to update the bugzilla or are you saying what you have now is 
sufficient? (I did cc support with the email appended below).

M
On Aug 31, 2004, at 7:43 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:

OK... looks like we need to reopen that one.
BTW, this was bugzilla 2088 and I have some additional information to
share:
It not only hangs the documentation but it often hangs Rev
(necessitating a forced quit), unless you exit the dox immediately.
Temporary fix:  Just don't use special characters (like   opt-f,
opt-; ) in naming any of the folders Rev 2.5 is nested in.
M
On Aug 31, 2004, at 4:49 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:
Where did Bugzilla go to?  I got an email yesterday reporting that 
the
problem with the Rev Dox giving an xmlerr if Rev resides in a folder
whose path includes special characters (namely   ) was resolved. 
But
it is definitely NOT resolved in 2.5 final release.

OS X version: go to documentation, click on dictionary (select a few
items, works fine). Now click on topics, get message box with xmlerr,
can't parse xml.  Don't get topics list AND I can no longer select an
item in the dictionary and see its definition--dox are stuck on the
page for the last dictionary entry I viewed.
M
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horsebecardiff

2004-08-31 Thread Erik Hansen

--- Barry Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A-ha! Set the label before calling the dialog.
 My send... attempt put the 
 cart before the horse.

horsebecardiff is a strangely haunting
made-up-by-a-deaf-person expression.

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RE: Bugzilla and Dox in nested folder

2004-08-31 Thread Monte Goulding

I just reopened.

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-Original Message-
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Petrides
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Monte,

Do I need to update the bugzilla or are you saying what you have now is
sufficient? (I did cc support with the email appended below).

M
On Aug 31, 2004, at 7:43 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:



 OK... looks like we need to reopen that one.

 BTW, this was bugzilla 2088 and I have some additional information to
 share:

 It not only hangs the documentation but it often hangs Rev
 (necessitating a forced quit), unless you exit the dox immediately.

 Temporary fix:  Just don't use special characters (like   opt-f,
 opt-; ) in naming any of the folders Rev 2.5 is nested in.

 M


 On Aug 31, 2004, at 4:49 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:

 Where did Bugzilla go to?  I got an email yesterday reporting that
 the
 problem with the Rev Dox giving an xmlerr if Rev resides in a folder
 whose path includes special characters (namely   ) was resolved.
 But
 it is definitely NOT resolved in 2.5 final release.

 OS X version: go to documentation, click on dictionary (select a few
 items, works fine). Now click on topics, get message box with xmlerr,
 can't parse xml.  Don't get topics list AND I can no longer select an
 item in the dictionary and see its definition--dox are stuck on the
 page for the last dictionary entry I viewed.

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Re: [ANN]ChatRev1.2

2004-08-31 Thread Andre Garzia

Bjoernke,
thanks for the protocol doc! :D
bots, I mean, smart agents will come... hauhahuahahu
Cheers
andre
On Aug 31, 2004, at 10:03 AM, Bjrnke von Gierke wrote:
Its time again to update your chatrev stack. New features are:
Several bug fixes
UI enhancements
Multi line messages
styled text messages
also new since this release are 3th party chat stacks. Several people 
are working on these, and will release them when its time.

Download chatrev 1.2 by typing this into the message box:
go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.2.rev;
look at the server with its new UI:
go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrevserver1.2.rev;
you might also be interested in a short summary about the chatrev 
protocol:
http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev.txt

have fun!
Bjoernke
()()()()()()()()()()
Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.2.rev;
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Re: WebDAV implementation?

2004-08-31 Thread Andre Garzia
On Aug 31, 2004, at 6:48 PM, Frank Leahy wrote:
Has anyone done a WebDAV implementation in RunRev?  Would they be 
willing to share it?

Thanks,
Frank,
I did http and ftp, so, let me see if the spec for webdav is sane 
enough I might be able to coin something, are you talking server 
side webdav or client side?

if you need this on a hurry, then if you're using macos x, you can use 
applescript to mount webdav volumes, they'll be like folders inside 
/Volumes

Cheers
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Re: O'Reilly OS X Conference Will Have Rev Session

2004-08-31 Thread Andre Garzia
On Aug 31, 2004, at 9:00 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
Just thought the list might be interested in knowing that a proposal I 
made to the O'Reilly folks about presenting a session on our favorite 
programming tool at their upcoming Mac OS X conference (details at 
http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2004/). My plan is to include 
a walk-through of a representative sampling of programs written in 
Revolution as 1/3 of the presentation, so if you have any ideas or 
suggestions, please let me know.

Dan,
I can send you my private iBlog blog client (it will be public soon), 
it's easy to understand, and shows the potential...

Andre

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Re: WebDAV implementation?

2004-08-31 Thread Andre Garzia
On Aug 31, 2004, at 9:55 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
Has anyone done a WebDAV implementation in RunRev?  Would they be 
willing to share it?

Thanks,

It is doable, I just read three articles on WebDAV and browsed the 
specs, it's like a super set of HTTP1.1 (new methods) and some fancy 
weird XMLs... I'll try to cook a client lib as soon as I finish the 
FTPd implementation. Anyone here with 2.5 can say to me if we can 
listen to secure sockets?

Andre

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[ANN] RevZilla 1.1.3 is Available

2004-08-31 Thread Ken Ray
RevZilla 1.1.3 is available, with the primary change being that it works
with the new location of Bugzilla (support.runrev.com/bugdatabase).

A much more enhanced version of RevZilla is under development and will be
released as RevZilla 2.0, and I wasn't planning on releasing an interim
build but the web site change demanded that I do so.

So until RevZilla 2.0 is released, RevZilla 1.1.3 will only be available
through RevNet (Development - Plugins - Go RevNet, click on Stacks)

I'll keep you all posted,

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Externals SDK

2004-08-31 Thread Alex Tweedly
I had a look at the externals sdk info from the new site 
http://support.runrev.com/resources/externals.php and had some problems - 
but I'm still using 2.5B1 so I'm wondering if they still occur using the 
released version of 2.5  - if they do, I'd like to BZ them, but won't until 
I know if they still happen. (I'm waiting for the license server to give me 
a 2.5 license key, so can't try it myself yet).

When I run the stack that came as part the externals sdk, and try out the 
examples, I get various errors (note this is just looking at the stack that 
came in the package - not building any externals).

The Convolve example fails with Handler not found, the Life example fails 
with
Function: error in function handler

Thanks
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about upgrading from 2.2 to 2.5?

2004-08-31 Thread Andre Garzia
Hi Folks,
I own a Rev Studio license for 2.2. Must I pay a new full license for 
2.5? is there an upgrade option? I would love to try the new features, 
but money is as short as always... :-/

cheers
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Re: Downloads page workaround (was Re: New RunRev site...)

2004-08-31 Thread Bill Vlahos
I was wondering the same thing. Thanks for the URL.
Other that that oversight I agree that the new site is fabulous.
Bill Vlahos
On Aug 31, 2004, at 1:33 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:
Until RunRev gets around to fixing this oversight, the url for the 
downloads page is:

http://downloads.runrev.com/revolution/
M
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Color picker problem with 2.5?

2004-08-31 Thread Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
Is it just me, or does anyone else experience the color picker in Rev 
2.5 OSX , if you click the little magnifying glass to try to pick up a 
color from some other object... it is way off... does not actually show 
what is under the glass, but is focused to some other place  on the 
screen...

??
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Re: Color picker problem with 2.5?

2004-08-31 Thread Troy Rollins
On Aug 31, 2004, at 10:29 PM, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami wrote:
Is it just me, or does anyone else experience the color picker in Rev 
2.5 OSX , if you click the little magnifying glass to try to pick up a 
color from some other object... it is way off... does not actually 
show what is under the glass, but is focused to some other place  on 
the screen...
Not seeing that. OSX.3.5
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dragging 2 windows in synch

2004-08-31 Thread Scott Morrow
Hello,
Is there a technique to maintain the relative location of a secondary 
stack while dragging the primary stack.  I'm not looking to just update 
the window location after the move has completed but to visually  drag 
it along with the window that the user is moving.  I'm building 
routines for simulating drawer behaviors outside of OSX.
Thanks,
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Re: O'Reilly OS X Conference Will Have Rev Session

2004-08-31 Thread Dan Shafer
COol
Dan
On Aug 31, 2004, at 5:58 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
On Aug 31, 2004, at 9:00 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
Just thought the list might be interested in knowing that a proposal 
I made to the O'Reilly folks about presenting a session on our 
favorite programming tool at their upcoming Mac OS X conference 
(details at http://conferences.oreillynet.com/macosx2004/). My plan 
is to include a walk-through of a representative sampling of programs 
written in Revolution as 1/3 of the presentation, so if you have any 
ideas or suggestions, please let me know.

Dan,
I can send you my private iBlog blog client (it will be public soon), 
it's easy to understand, and shows the potential...

Andre

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Streamed QT

2004-08-31 Thread Troy Rollins
I am trying to connect to some streamed QT media (RTSP MPG4) in Rev 
2.5... the connection is very slow and unstable, and generally the 
player cannot negotiate a connection. QuickTime player connects 
instantaneously, as does Director via QT. In fact, I can leave Rev 
trying to negotiate the connection, and launch either of the other two 
and connect easily... return to Rev to find that it has failed or is 
still trying.

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Re: dragging 2 windows in synch

2004-08-31 Thread Ken Ray
On 8/31/04 9:34 PM, Scott Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,
 Is there a technique to maintain the relative location of a secondary
 stack while dragging the primary stack.  I'm not looking to just update
 the window location after the move has completed but to visually  drag
 it along with the window that the user is moving.  I'm building
 routines for simulating drawer behaviors outside of OSX.

Well, if it's for OS 9, you're probably out of luck unless you make your own
custom windows and your own drag regions. The reason is that the moveStack
message isn't sent until *after* you release the mouse on the Mac. Now if
this is for Windows, moveStack and resizeStack are sent continually so you
could probably get away with something like:

on moveWindow
  set the topLeft of stack Secondary to the topRight of this stack
end moveWindow

Ken Ray
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Re: Downloads page workaround (was Re: New RunRev site...)

2004-08-31 Thread Marty Billingsley
Marian Petrides [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Aug 31, 2004, at 4:23 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:
  All very true, the site is much improved... however, I don't see any
  way for existing customers to download the latest version without
  signing up for a free trial and being emailed a trial key.

 Until RunRev gets around to fixing this oversight, the url for the
 downloads page is:

 http://downloads.runrev.com/revolution/

My studio license didn't unlock the version of 2.5 that can be
downloaded from this page -- in fact, my serial number is longer
than the spaces provided in the registration box.

Any clues as to how to upgrade a studio license?  I emailed Rev's
support but haven't heard back, and we've got to get our computer
image complete and installed in the lab by the time students return
on Tuesday.

Thanks,
  - marty

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Re: Downloads page workaround (was Re: New RunRev site...)

2004-08-31 Thread Bill Vlahos
There is a link on the Rev page for converting your old-style license 
key to the new one. Go to Resources and Support and you will find the 
link called license issues.

It sounds like the link should be automated but mine hasn't been 
processed yet. I figure it will take a day or so. Makes me a little 
frustrated as I can't use 2.5 yet. :(

Bill Vlahos
On Aug 31, 2004, at 8:36 PM, Marty Billingsley wrote:
Marian Petrides [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Aug 31, 2004, at 4:23 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:
All very true, the site is much improved... however, I don't see any
way for existing customers to download the latest version without
signing up for a free trial and being emailed a trial key.
Until RunRev gets around to fixing this oversight, the url for the
downloads page is:
http://downloads.runrev.com/revolution/
My studio license didn't unlock the version of 2.5 that can be
downloaded from this page -- in fact, my serial number is longer
than the spaces provided in the registration box.
Any clues as to how to upgrade a studio license?  I emailed Rev's
support but haven't heard back, and we've got to get our computer
image complete and installed in the lab by the time students return
on Tuesday.
Thanks,
  - marty
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Mac Menu Madness

2004-08-31 Thread william griffin
I decided to explore the world of popup stacks.
I created a menuBar item
I gave it a button:
on menuPick
popup stack IDLETHROTTLE
end menuPick
I tested, the IDE locked up.
Finally I escaped from that, then I noticed my stack which is a toolbar 
type of stack, like
the rev toolbar stack, had shifted some X pixels to up under the mac 
MenuBar.
I message boxed it down 100 pixels, and noticed all the items of my 
stack had shift up a bunch of pixels
I selected all and arrow keyed them down and notice some of my buttons 
were missing.

I used a reset button to put everything back in place, no go, the stack 
got shoved about 40 pixels
under the menuBar.
I quit, I restarted, and the stack got shoved another extra 40 pixels 
under the menuBar
When I check the rect of the stack it is 2,22,800,44  which is exactly 
what it always has been
but the display and the settings do not match. as seen here.

http://www.igame3d.com/revmenuMadess.pdf
What could cause this? How do I fix this?
Mr Bill
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Re: dragging 2 windows in synch

2004-08-31 Thread Scott Morrow
Thanks Ken, I'm working in MacOS  and  didn't realize that the 
moveStack and resizeStack message were sent continually under Windows. 
While  good news it surprised me as the documentation is pretty 
specific.

 The moveStack message is sent after the movement is finished. This 
means that you cannot prevent a stack window from being moved by 
trapping this message. 

I'm using Rev version 2.1.2 so hopefully this isn't a new feature!
... Custom windows will probably have to wait : )
-Scott
On Aug 31, 2004, at 7:56 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
On 8/31/04 9:34 PM, Scott Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Hello,
Is there a technique to maintain the relative location of a secondary
stack while dragging the primary stack.  I'm not looking to just 
update
the window location after the move has completed but to visually  drag
it along with the window that the user is moving.  I'm building
routines for simulating drawer behaviors outside of OSX.
Well, if it's for OS 9, you're probably out of luck unless you make 
your own
custom windows and your own drag regions. The reason is that the 
moveStack
message isn't sent until *after* you release the mouse on the Mac. Now 
if
this is for Windows, moveStack and resizeStack are sent continually so 
you
could probably get away with something like:

on moveWindow
  set the topLeft of stack Secondary to the topRight of this stack
end moveWindow
Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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RE: [ANN]ChatRev1.2

2004-08-31 Thread MisterX
im already working on a super chat client with distributed
computing ;))

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 Bjoernke,

 thanks for the protocol doc! :D

 bots, I mean, smart agents will come... hauhahuahahu


 Cheers
 andre


 On Aug 31, 2004, at 10:03 AM, Bjšrnke von Gierke wrote:

  Its time again to update your chatrev stack. New features are:
  Several bug fixes
  UI enhancements
  Multi line messages
  styled text messages
 
  also new since this release are 3th party chat stacks. Several people
  are working on these, and will release them when its time.
 
  Download chatrev 1.2 by typing this into the message box:
  go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.2.rev;
 
  look at the server with its new UI:
  go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrevserver1.2.rev;
 
  you might also be interested in a short summary about the chatrev
  protocol:
  http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev.txt
 
  have fun!
  Bjoernke
 
  ()()()()()()()()()()
  Chat with other RunRev developers:
  go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.2.rev;
 
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DreamCard

2004-08-31 Thread Dr . John R . Vokey
All,
  So, all of the detractors---me, especially, included---should eat 
humble crow: is DreamCard not exactly (actually, even better than) what 
all we old hypercardians always wanted?  Brilliant!  Kudos to all at RR 
for getting it right!  And the price?  Even better!  Congratulations!  
You have made my (self-imposed) evangelism job so much easier.
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John R. Vokey, PhD
Professor
B.E.R.G. - Behaviour and Evolution Research Group
Micro-Cognition Laboratory
Department of Psychology  Neuroscience
University of Lethbridge
Lethbridge, Alberta T1K 3M4
CANADA

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OSX GUI Manipulation?

2004-08-31 Thread bfr
Does Rev/Dreamcard have any OSX GUI maniuplation tools - for manipulating
the GUI of other apps? I know there are *standard* system tools for this,
using System Events. And Rev could reach these through applescript

But System Events can't seem to see some interface objects that other
utilities can (think iKey). Can Rev see and manipulat them?
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Re: dragging 2 windows in synch

2004-08-31 Thread Richard Gaskin
Ken Ray wrote:
On 8/31/04 9:34 PM, Scott Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,
Is there a technique to maintain the relative location of a secondary
stack while dragging the primary stack.  I'm not looking to just update
the window location after the move has completed but to visually  drag
it along with the window that the user is moving.  I'm building
routines for simulating drawer behaviors outside of OSX.

Well, if it's for OS 9, you're probably out of luck unless you make your own
custom windows and your own drag regions. The reason is that the moveStack
message isn't sent until *after* you release the mouse on the Mac. Now if
this is for Windows, moveStack and resizeStack are sent continually so you
could probably get away with something like:
on moveWindow
  set the topLeft of stack Secondary to the topRight of this stack
end moveWindow
It may be simpler and more consistent with the UI expectations for your 
 users to just use a collapsable panel with a disclosure triangle 
instead.  In most cases where an OS X drawer would work a collapsable 
panel will work just as well, and the convention is universally accepted 
on all modern platforms (even OS X).

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RE: OSX GUI Manipulation?

2004-08-31 Thread MisterX
Normally, you just use the AppleScripts directly with the
application. Otherwise QuickKeys can manipulate any app 
whether it has applescripts or not... 

http://www.cesoft.com/

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 Does Rev/Dreamcard have any OSX GUI maniuplation tools - for manipulating
 the GUI of other apps? I know there are *standard* system tools for this,
 using System Events. And Rev could reach these through applescript
 
 But System Events can't seem to see some interface objects that other
 utilities can (think iKey). Can Rev see and manipulat them?
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Why 10 hours for a newbie and 30 days for a programmer ?

2004-08-31 Thread Ludovic Thébault
Hello,

Why the Dreamcard trial is limited to ten hours ?
A newbie need time to discover a language, to discover programming, or 
simply to discover a new program (especially a rich program like Rev).


Ludovic
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Re: Why 10 hours for a newbie and 30 days for a programmer ?

2004-08-31 Thread Richard Gaskin
Ludovic Thébault wrote:
Hello,
Why the Dreamcard trial is limited to ten hours ?
A newbie need time to discover a language, to discover programming, or 
simply to discover a new program (especially a rich program like Rev).
10 hours?  Must be a bug.  I've never even heard of a software product 
with such a small window for evaluation, and as you note a proprietary 
programming language will arguably require more time than most other 
types of software.  30 days should be a minimum.

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