Re: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

[webmailman]

-Chipp wrote:

Webmailman,

Do you have a URL for this review, or is it as anonymous as you are?

Hmmm, did you read the whole post? I thought this was a very clear reference:

In issue 224 (Christmas 2004), Paul Hudson gives readers his insights 

Also, this citation makes no reference to a URL, because it was not taken from 
a website. I would think if you can figure out DreamCard/Revolution, you should 
most certainly be able to determine how and where to find the review from the 
specific details given.



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Re: Umlaut on a consonant letter

[Signe Marie Sanne]

Dar Scott skrev:
On Dec 22, 2004, at 1:07 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
I have a stack I use to figure out Unicode numbers for various symbols -
the one thing I found was that any use of Unicode in a field really
requires that the whole field be in Unicode. Otherwise, it gets
confused. Have others found this?

I was just about to send a comment on this.
I noticed that if textFont of the field is set to Lucida 
Grande,Japanese, the unicode method I tried works.

It seems that otherwise, Revolution tries to separate the n from the 
combining character and put it outside of unicode.

It is weird using Japanese as the language for the font.
This now works:
on mouseUp
  set useUnicode to true
  set the textFont of field field to Lucida Grande,Japanese
  set the unicodeText of field field to numToChar(110)  numToChar(776)
  put the htmlText of field field
end mouseUp
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Lots of thanks to Richard, Dar, Jonathan and Frank. I now have a field 
exposing text with accented letters and the umlaut at the same time.

Merry Christmas to all the very helpful Revolutionies!
Best from Norway
Signe Marie Sanne
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Re: monks demo error -- atten: Mark Waddingham

[Alex Tweedly]

Richard Gaskin wrote:
Brian Thomas wrote:
So now you're telling me that this script won't work in Dreamcard and 
there is no way to fix it. -- I have to ask Mark to put the Read Me 
back in? --

Yes.
If the Monks stack is the only one running at the time, what's 
changing the defaultFolder?

Nothing - it never gets set in the first place. See the Bugzilla entry I 
mentioned (2294) for the full details, but the important part of it is ...

/--- Additional Comment #2 
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2294#c2 From 
Mark Waddingham mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2004-10-30 09:03 --- /

Confirmed in 2.5 - at present the Dreamcard Player sets the filename of stacks
to empty regardless of whether they were local or downloaded (and so in the URL
cache). This is obviously incorrect and the player should distinguish.
-- Alex.
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Re: monks demo error -- atten: Mark Waddingham

[Richard Gaskin]

Alex Tweedly wrote:
 Richard Gaskin wrote:
 If the Monks stack is the only one running at the time, what's
 changing the defaultFolder?

 Nothing - it never gets set in the first place. See the Bugzilla
 entry I mentioned (2294) for the full details, but the important
 part of it is ...

 /--- Additional Comment #2
 http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2294#c2 From
 Mark Waddingham mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2004-10-30 09:03
 --- /

 Confirmed in 2.5 - at present the Dreamcard Player sets the
 filename of stacks to empty regardless of whether they were
 local or downloaded (and so  in the URL cache). This is
 obviously incorrect and the player should distinguish.
Wow.  Drag.  How did that get changed?
Local stack files having a fileName had been a reliable part of the 
engine for more than 14 years.

The Player has no debugger.  For this reason it's absolutely critical 
that differences between its behavior and the IDE or any standalone be 
kept to an absolute minimum.

People will not use the Player if it introduces unexpected behaviors.
--
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RE: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

[sanke]

Paul Salyers wrote:

I'm a formal VB user and will most likely switch to Revolution. The main 
problem I'm having is to make a program web interactive it will cost 
another $79. I wish Revolution would make a web page object like VB has. 
Oh-well so far all else is better. I like the more English commands here.

Paul Salyers

A number of other moderately priced multimedia authoring systems offer web
objects. Runrev should indeed consider to integrate a web control, too.
Purchasing and adding Chipp's altBrowser would be one way to achieve this. It
would impair Chipp’s “earned” profit, but maybe he can strike a good deal.

Two examples, which also offer other features some of us would like to have in
Metacard/Revolution:


1. Neobook www.neosoftware.com 

Neobook 4 - 199 US$ -   includes a web object.

Neobook 5 - will be released in January - has improved web capabilities:

The compiler now supports HTML files! Simply place an HTML file inside a Web
Browser object, and the compiler will parse the file and include any linked
images, other HTML files, etc. automatically. HTML content does not need to be
extracted for viewing.

2. Multimedia Builder www.mediachance.com includes a web object, too

Multimedia Builder sells for $ 60 US - including a MP3 license and
$ 45 US   without (but with the web object).

Additional features of  Multimedia Builder that would be nice to have in
Revolution (quotations from the website):

From this version you can place any rectangular object over the Video object!
Video still plays OnTop, but it's now masked with the objects placed over the
video rectangle.

Added Web Archive (*.mht file) to HTML object and Browser function.

Integrated macromedia Flash object - you can control MMB script from Macromedia
FLASH!--

===

Both programs have a very much usable IDE and a script language - which, for
that matter, of course do not compare to the potential of XTalk languages, but
offer  low-end alternatives for beginning programmers with a restricted budget.

I have licensed Multimedia Builder for use in my programming classes and use it
alongside with Revolution. Since Runrev has given up to offer a free Starter
Edition, quite a number of students - who just want to have some more options
than with Power Point or Ezedia - choose Multimedia  Builder.

It should also be noted that MMB with its integrated web object and as a
full-fledged authoring system with its low price is a very affordable program –
and accompanied by a number of additional programs like “RealDraw Pro” (with
excellent features to produce transparent graphics) or Photo correction
utilities that are also low-priced. Check out their lively website and
discussion list.

Unfortunately both Neobook and MMB are only available for Windows.

--Wilhelm Sanke
www.sanke.org/MetaMedia









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How fix the bug 2126 ?

[Ludovic Thébault]

Hello,

the bug of disappearing menus in rev 2.5 seem to be fixed, as i saw it 
in bugzilla.
But how fix it on my rev app ?

I've the last release.

Thanks.
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Re: AirSync graphics issue

[John Rule]

 Please check the Hardware acceleration.

I did all of this before posting to this group. The consistent
problem that I find (and the reason I am posting) is that the only
application that is giving me problems is -anything- RunRev. Again, I
reiterate, everything else works, RR doesn't.

I seriously doubt that RR is exposing other deficiencies at this
point (and it does take 'cajones' to make that claim). It would be very
simple if RR was compatible with Windows CE, I could avoid 'remote desktop'
entirely. 

JR


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Re: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

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On Dec 22, 2004, at 5:55 PM, Gordon Webster wrote:
We should concede them a minor point about the rev
documentation though. Yes, all the info is there -
somewhere - but it's arranged more like a jigsaw
puzzle than a book and when I'm trying to learn a new
programming language, a book is a whole lot easier.
I like the way you put this.  Yes, a jigsaw puzzle is about right.  The 
arrangement of the Rev docs makes for a great reference for people who 
already know exactly what they are looking for, or are at least 
familiar enough to have a grasp on the terminology.  They make for a 
rather pathetic learning tool if you are not already familiar with Rev, 
or at least with HyperCard or something quite similar.

What is really needed is a Tutorial, which actively walks new users 
through their first few projects.  Not the video things on RevOnline 
(though they are definitely a step in the right direction), but more 
like the wizard/assistant type interfaces used in some software:  
Step 1: this is what we are about to do (click next), Step 2: do this, 
then this, here is why, then click next, ...

Anyone remember the Apple Guide?  Those nice red circles that pointed 
you visually to exactly what the help text was referring to?  Or how 
about the fact that if you missed a step, the Apple Guide detected that 
and actually helped you to do it, pointing out in the meantime exactly 
what you missed?

(Anyone have a clue why this was left out of OS X?  I think it was one 
of the best online help systems ever created!)

There should be an orientation tutorial which walks new users through 
the very basics of working with Rev and rudimentary scripting (on 
mouseUp go to next card end mouseUp), and a series of similar tutorials 
for advanced topics, such as one on inheritance, one on chunk 
expressions, one on the geometry manager, one (actually several) on 
database access, etc.

These tutorials need to cover the topics fairly thoroughly.
In addition to the tutorials, it would be good for Rev to beef up the 
Topics section of the documentation to include virtually all features 
of Transcript.  The Topics section would act as a good complement to 
the tutorials, to help users fill in the blanks after completing a 
tutorial.  There should probably be a one-to-one correspondence between 
tutorial categories and topics categories:  for each tutorial or series 
of tutorials, more documentation can be found in the Topics category 
with the same name.


All that said, IMHO rev wins hand down!
So true.
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
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Re : Standalone and Valentina

[Jean-Claude SERRANO]

Thanks for your quick answer.

I had already test the method 1.
I have tried everything you told me to do (method 2) and it still does not
work. 

The dialog box in preopenstack is always empty.

Best regards.

---
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ELP Informatique
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Le 22/12/04 16:57, « Trevor DeVore » [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :

 On Dec 22, 2004, at 3:18 AM, Jean-Claude SERRANO wrote:
 
 I have an application developed in revolution.
 This application works with a database Valentina.
 The Connection to the database is good by using Revolution on Mac OS X.
 But, I can¹t connect to the database in the standalone version.
 
 Can somebody help me?
 
 Oui, on peut vous aider.
 
 When you build a standalone you need to make the database dll/bundles
 available to your standalone executable.  There are a couple of ways to
 do this.
 
 Method 1: Use the Standalone Builder
 
 If you are using Rev 2.5 (maybe 2.2 as well, I don't remember) then you
 configure your standalone application by selecting Standalone
 Application Settings... from the file menu or the Application Browser
 contextual menu.  From the General section select the Database
 Support checkbox and select Valentina.  In theory this should place
 all the files you need for database connectivity in the folder the
 Standalone Builder puts your executable in.  I haven't tried it for
 Valentina but I know it doesn't work for MySQL in 2.5.
 
 Method 2: Do it manually
 
 This is my preferred method.  Once you understand how everything works
 it isn't too hard and you can place the required database files
 anywhere you would like.  I'm an organization freak so this suits me
 nicely :-)
 
 When working with databases and Revolution you generally need two
 externals whether working on OS X or Windows.  The first is
 revdb.dll/.bundle which is the database abstraction external for
 Revolution.  When you call a handler such as revOpenDatabase you are
 using this external.  You can find these files in the
 components/global environment/ folder in your Revolution application
 folder.
 
 The second file is the database external itself, in your case
 VXCMD_macho/VXCMD.dll.  These files are located in components/global
 environment/database_drivers/MacOSX/ and components/global
 environment/database_drivers/Win32/.
 
 To begin with you must copy these files in a location where your
 executable will easily be able to find them.  Here is what I do:
 
 ./myExecutable.exe
 ./data/externals/revdb.dll
 ./data/externals/revdb.bundle
 ./data/externals/VXCMD_macho
 ./data/externals/VXCMD.dll
 
 Now that the files are in the proper location you need to tell your
 executable where to find the files.  This requires two steps.  First
 you need to set the externals property of the stack used to make your
 standalone so the engine knows where to find revdb.dll/.bundle.  Second
 you need to set the the database driver path using
 revSetDatabaseDriverPath.
 
 Though there are other ways to set externals property of a stack the
 most straightforward way is to set the externals in the startup
 handler that is called when your executable launches.  You could put
 something like this in your stack script:
 
 on startup
 local tExternals = 
 
 put sys_AppPath()  /data/externals/revdb.dll cr into tExternals
 put sys_AppPath()  /data/externals/revdb.bundle after tExternals
 
 set the externals of this stack to tExternals
 
 pass startup
 end startup
 
 /**
   * Set the database driver path.
   */
 on preOpenStack
 -- TEST: DISPLAY THE EXTERNAL PACKAGES AVAILABLE TO THE STACK
 -- SHOULD DISPLAY RevDB.
 answer the externalPackages of this stack
 
 revSetDatabaseDriverPath (sys_AppPath()  /data/externals/)
 
 pass preOpenStack
 end preOpenStack
 
 
 /**
   * Returns the path to the executable.
   */
 function sys_AppPath
local tPath = 
 
put address into tPath
set itemDel to :
delete item 1 of tPath
 
return tPath
 end sys_AppPath
 
 
 This code will set the externals of the stack and display a dialog box
 showing which external packages are available to the stack.  If
 everything went as planned then the dialog box should display RevDB.
 Hopefully this will get you started.  If you aren't using revDB and are
 just accessing Valentina directly using the XCMD then you would do
 things slightly differently.  If this is the case then let me know I
 can explain how to do that.
 
 Hope this helps,
 


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Re: Sample Source Code

[Rob Cozens]

Does anyone know of any web sites with sample source code that is free.
Paul: All components of Serendipity Library are open 
source--http://wecode.org/serendipity/.
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(707) 895-2584

Promoting a healthy and bountiful offshore environment.
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Re: unhilite line in list field

[betypaul]

Hi Paul,
Hi
My script has a list field where each selection is utilized in turn.
I would like the selection to be unhilited in turn after it is
utilized,
so that as the repeats are worked through the highlights turn off.
Possible?
This doesn't work --
repeat for each line mychoice in the selectedText of fld mylistfield
doSomething
unhilite mychoice of the selectedText of fld mylistfield  -- ?
end repeat
but, has anyone  found a way to do this?
Just to see if i get you right:
You want to unhilite ALL lines AFTER you did something with the
hilited lines?
Sorry I wasn't clear
I want to unhilite EACH line after something is done with that 
particular line .
The highlights would go off one after the other as the repeats are 
worked through, thus indicating to the user the progress of the 
process.
Probably not possible. I thought I would throw it out
Paul

The you can:
...
repeat for each line mychoice in the selectedText of fld mylistfield
doSomething
end repeat
set the hilitedlines of fld mylistfield to 0
...
If that's not what you were after, drop another line :-)
Seasons greetings to you all
Paul
Regards
Klaus Major
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Re: Database Tutorial

[Trevor DeVore]

On Dec 22, 2004, at 11:52 PM, Mark Stuart wrote:
Hi folks,
I'm a brand new user to Dreamcard that needs to access MySQL 
databases, and
I need a tutorial to guide me thru the steps of building an example
application.
Hi Mark,
I have a library at my site 
http://mangomultimedia.com/developer/revolution/index.html which 
makes dealing with databases in Revolution a little easier (at least 
for me).  There is an article that introduces the library and a sample 
Revolution stack that shows how to use it.  It is just a really basic 
recipe program but may give you some ideas.  It doesn't cover 
everything you mentioned but I would be happy to answer any questions 
you may have about databases and Rev.

--
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
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Re: unhilite line in list field

[Klaus Major]

Hi Paul,
Hi
My script has a list field where each selection is utilized in turn.
I would like the selection to be unhilited in turn after it is
utilized,
so that as the repeats are worked through the highlights turn off.
Possible?
This doesn't work --
repeat for each line mychoice in the selectedText of fld 
mylistfield
	doSomething
	unhilite mychoice of the selectedText of fld mylistfield  -- ?
end repeat

but, has anyone  found a way to do this?
Just to see if i get you right:
You want to unhilite ALL lines AFTER you did something with the
hilited lines?
Sorry I wasn't clear
I want to unhilite EACH line after something is done with that 
particular line .
The highlights would go off one after the other as the repeats are 
worked through, thus indicating to the user the progress of the 
process.
Probably not possible. I thought I would throw it out
Ah, know i understand :-)
Sure this is possible...
...
 put the hilitedlines of fld mylistfield into tLines
 put tLines into remaininglines
repeat for each item i in tLines
## do something with: line i of fld mylistfield
delete item 1 of remaininglines
set the hilitedlines of fld mylistfield to remaininglines
end repeat
...
Tested and works :-)
Paul
Regards
Klaus Major
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Re : Standalone and Valentina

[Trevor DeVore]

On Dec 23, 2004, at 8:58 AM, Jean-Claude SERRANO wrote:
Thanks for your quick answer.
I had already test the method 1.
I have tried everything you told me to do (method 2) and it still does 
not
work.

The dialog box in preopenstack is always empty.
Sorry, I gave you a sys_appPath function that won't work correctly.  
Replace the previous code with this:

on startup
local tExternals = 

put sys_AppPath(true)  /data/externals/revdb.dll cr into tExternals
put sys_AppPath(true)  /data/externals/revdb.bundle after tExternals

set the externals of this stack to tExternals

pass startup
end startup
/**
  * Set the database driver path.
  */
on preOpenStack
-- TEST: DISPLAY THE EXTERNAL PACKAGES AVAILABLE TO THE STACK
-- SHOULD DISPLAY RevDB.
answer the externalPackages of this stack

revSetDatabaseDriverPath (sys_AppPath()  /data/externals/)

pass preOpenStack
end preOpenStack
/**
  * Returns the path to the executable.
  *
  * @param  pGetBundleFolder	Set to true to return the folder an app 
bundle is in rather than the full path to the executable on OS X.
  *
  * @return String
  */
function sys_AppPath pGetBundleFolder
   local tPath = 

   put address into tPath
   if pGetBundleFolder = true AND platform() contains MacOS and item 
1 of systemVersion() = 10 then
		get offset(.app/Contents/MacOS/, tPath)
		if it  0 then -- 2.4.3 or later
			delete char it to length(tPath) of tPath
		end if
	end if
	
	set itemDel to slash
   delete item -1 of tPath
	
   set itemDel to :
   delete item 1 of tPath

   return tPath
end sys_AppPath
That should work for you.
--
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Multimedia
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RE: Neobook and MMB

[Lynch, Jonathan]

If you buy altbrowser, do you also by the right to incorporate it into
standalone applications that are distributed to others, or must the
license be purchased separately for every person who receives the
standalone?

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen
Barncard
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:50 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Neobook and MMB

A number of other moderately priced multimedia authoring systems offer
web
objects. Runrev should indeed consider to integrate a web control,
too.


Unfortunately both Neobook and MMB are only available for Windows.


Well, that pretty much nixes them for me.

so what's the point? These products don't even come close to Rev, 
which is far more than a 'multimedia authoring system.

You are arguing about the modest fee to add altbrowser to the package 
that a stock rev offers today.  Not everyone needs a 'web control.

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Re: Neobook and MMB

[Klaus Major]

Hi Jonathan,
If you buy altbrowser, do you also by the right to incorporate it into
standalone applications that are distributed to others,
yes!
From Chipp's FA page:
Can I distribute altBrowser with my commercial RunRev apps?
Certainly! That's exactly why we designed it. The only restriction is 
you cannot sell altBrowser
to other RunRev users in a way which would undermind our selling of it.

or must the license be purchased separately for every person who 
receives the
standalone?
no!
:-)
Regards
Klaus Major
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Re: AirSync graphics issue

[Richard Gaskin]

John Rule wrote:
Please check the Hardware acceleration.

I did all of this before posting to this group. The consistent
 problem that I find (and the reason I am posting) is that the only
 application that is giving me problems is -anything- RunRev. Again, I
 reiterate, everything else works, RR doesn't.
That you'd confirmed the system has the very latest display driver and 
that you've turned off hardware accelleration was not clear from either 
of your two posts.

Now that the first two steps have been well covered, how about the 
third:  What did Tuviah say when you sent your crash logs to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I seriously doubt that RR is exposing other deficiencies at this
 point (and it does take 'cajones' to make that claim).
It certainly does.  I used to mistake Raney for being flippant on this 
until his advice panned out as he suggested time after time.

 It would be very simple if RR was compatible with Windows CE,
 I could avoid 'remote desktop' entirely.
How are the two related?
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Re: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

[Richard Gaskin]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paul Salyers wrote:
I'm a formal VB user and will most likely switch to Revolution. The main 
problem I'm having is to make a program web interactive it will cost 
another $79. I wish Revolution would make a web page object like VB has. 
Oh-well so far all else is better. I like the more English commands here.

Paul Salyers
A number of other moderately priced multimedia authoring systems offer web
objects. Runrev should indeed consider to integrate a web control, too.
I just hope they keep it separate, even if they do bundle it.  Engine 
size still matters to me, and it's too easy to add stuff that I rarely 
if ever use -- I'd hate to see a 5MB engine, and stuff adds up.

Heck, if I had it my way I'd like to see QT broken out into a separate 
includable module. I only need it in three apps, and everything else is 
carrying that code around with no benefit to my customers.

--
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Formatting help needed

[duane poncy]

I've written this script to format a dictionary entry:

on preOpen
  set the useUnicode to true
  set the textFont of field Glyph to Aboriginal Sans,unicode
  set the textFont of field Display to Aboriginal Sans,english
  set the htmlText of field Display to i  the htmltext of field 
POS \
  the htmltext of field pronounce  /i  return  \
  the htmltext of field Definitions  return  \
  biexample/b/i  return  \
  i  the htmlText of field example  /i \
   return  return  bisee also /b/i  \
  i  the htmlText of field xref1  ,   \
  the htmlText of field xref2  /i
end preOpen

What I get is this:
-
n.
ah dah doh leez dee
prayer; worship

example
doo dah doo dah  see also
gadoliga
adaliga
---

what I should (or want to) get is this:
---
n.  ah dah doh leez dee
prayer; worship

example
doo dah doo dah  


see also
gadoliga, adaliga


I'm getting CRs where I don't want them,
and I'm not getting them where I do???
Does anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong?

Thank you.
Duane Poncy


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RE: Formatting help needed

[Lynch, Jonathan]

If you are setting the htmltext, then don't you need to use p /p or
br to create returns and linefeeds?

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poncy
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Subject: Formatting help needed

I've written this script to format a dictionary entry:

on preOpen
  set the useUnicode to true
  set the textFont of field Glyph to Aboriginal Sans,unicode
  set the textFont of field Display to Aboriginal Sans,english
  set the htmlText of field Display to i  the htmltext of field 
POS \
  the htmltext of field pronounce  /i  return  \
  the htmltext of field Definitions  return  \
  biexample/b/i  return  \
  i  the htmlText of field example  /i \
   return  return  bisee also /b/i  \
  i  the htmlText of field xref1  ,   \
  the htmlText of field xref2  /i
end preOpen

What I get is this:
-
n.
ah dah doh leez dee
prayer; worship

example
doo dah doo dah  see also
gadoliga
adaliga
---

what I should (or want to) get is this:
---
n.  ah dah doh leez dee
prayer; worship

example
doo dah doo dah  


see also
gadoliga, adaliga


I'm getting CRs where I don't want them,
and I'm not getting them where I do???
Does anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong?

Thank you.
Duane Poncy


visit elohi gadugi: poetry, software, 
Cherokee culture and Native American rights.
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Re: unhilite line in list field

[Ken Ray]

On 12/23/04 10:57 AM, Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sorry I wasn't clear
 I want to unhilite EACH line after something is done with that
 particular line .
 The highlights would go off one after the other as the repeats are
 worked through, thus indicating to the user the progress of the
 process.
 Probably not possible. I thought I would throw it out
 
 Ah, know i understand :-)
 
 Sure this is possible...
 
 ...
   put the hilitedlines of fld mylistfield into tLines
   put tLines into remaininglines
 repeat for each item i in tLines
  ## do something with: line i of fld mylistfield
  delete item 1 of remaininglines
  set the hilitedlines of fld mylistfield to remaininglines
 end repeat

And if you want to start with nothing highlighted, and then highlight one
line at a time as you work with the line, you can do this:

set the hilitedLines of fld mylistfield to 0  -- clears any hilites
repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines of fld mylistfield
  set the hilitedLines of fld mylistfield to x
  -- do something with line I of fld mylistfield
end repeat
set the hilitedLines of fld mylistfield to 0  -- clears any hilites

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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Re: open printing with dialog -- Windows equiv?

[Hershel Fisch]

Sorry to say , I think the whole printing lib needs to be enhanced. I 
definitely think that every body should give there full vote for it .
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1619
when it comes to business applications with out these enhancements you 
are dead
besides that , its a shame , RR a  tool with every thing to it, capable 
, easy and so on should lack a main feature and an important one like 
this, especially with many competition out there
Hershel Fisch
On Wednesday, December 22, 2004, at 04:27  PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. 
wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Okay, I finally got around to trying this, but it doesn't work.  I 
followed these steps as closely as I possibly could, but I still get 
strange printouts from Windows (XP is bad, 2000 is pathetic), and OS X 
printouts still look great.

The biggest issue (perhaps the only one left) with XP printing is that 
text at the right edge of a field does not print.  In other words, the 
field is x units wide, Rev allows the line of text to be x+y units 
wide, and the extra y pixels get cut off instead of wrapped.  The 
field is multiline and other lines below that one do exist.

In W2K (the real manifestation of what some people thought Y2K would 
be ... though an overall improvement over its predecessors, I think), 
the printouts show extra blank lines in the middle of a field, some 
lines wrap prematurely after a word or two, and so forth.

Oh, and I just recently figured out the problem with the Preparing 
stack: it was topLevel, and hidden behind my modal dialog (which was a 
sheet in OS X, so not a problem there...)   Oops!  Fixed by displaying 
it as a palette.

On Nov 23, 2004, at 12:43 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
Hi Frank,
The thing with formatForPrinting is that you shouldn't
change the content of the stack after setting this
property to true, or the formatting will be off.
So the best option is to set the data,; next you set
formatForPrinting false and then back to true ; next
you save the stack, close and reopen it ; and then
print it.
As for your 'preparing' stack not showing up : is it
possible you're running that part of the script inside
a lock/unlock screen pair ?
Jan Schenkel.
- ---
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin)

iD8DBQFByebf7aqtWrR9cZoRAoRAAJ4ysvxA2s6GpEmHfFeEwduxbggrbgCfbHWa
F9uOT9hB2wDOLvqmx/DheSE=
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Re: Formatting help needed

[Ken Ray]

On 12/23/04 12:57 PM, Lynch, Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you are setting the htmltext, then don't you need to use p /p or
 br to create returns and linefeeds?

Yes, you need to put p in front of each line, and /p at the end of
each line, and use BR when you want a blank line. Also, in examining your
code you can use () for concatenate with a space between instead of ( 
 ), and I noticed you had overlapping tags (bi/b/i) which is a
no-no (the should be paird from the inside out, like  bi/i/b).

So after it was fixed it would be:

on preOpen
  set the useUnicode to true
  set the textFont of field Glyph to Aboriginal Sans,unicode
  set the textFont of field Display to Aboriginal Sans,english
  set the htmlText of field Display to pi  \
 the htmltext of field POS  the htmltext of field \
 pronounce  /i/p  return  \
 p   the htmltext of field Definitions  /p  \
 return  pbiexample/i/b/p  \
 return  pi  the htmlText of field example  \
 /i/p  return  BR  return  \
 pbisee also/i/b/p  return  \
 pi  the htmlText of field xref1  ,   \
  the htmlText of field xref2  /i/p
end preOpen

Another method I use is to put the p/p in *after* the fact. So while
I'm building the html string, I'm just using returns (I use CR instead of
return because it is shorter), and then use replace on it just before I
send it to where I want it, like this:

on preOpen
  set the useUnicode to true
  set the textFont of field Glyph to Aboriginal Sans,unicode
  set the textFont of field Display to Aboriginal Sans,english
  put i  the htmltext of field POS  the htmltext of field \
 pronounce  /i  CR  the htmltext of field \
 Definitions  CR  biexample/i/b  CR  \
 i  the htmlText of field example  /i  CR  \
 CR  CR  bisee also/i/b/p  CR  \
 i  the htmlText of field xref1  ,   \
  the htmlText of field xref2  /i into tHTML
  replace CR with /pp in tHTML  -- takes care of all inner CRs
  put p  tHTML  /p into tHTML
  set the htmlText of fld Display to tHTML
end preOpen

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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Re: open printing with dialog -- Windows equiv?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 12/22/04 3:27 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
The biggest issue (perhaps the only one left) with XP printing is that 
text at the right edge of a field does not print.  In other words, the 
field is x units wide, Rev allows the line of text to be x+y units wide, 
and the extra y pixels get cut off instead of wrapped.  The field is 
multiline and other lines below that one do exist.

In W2K (the real manifestation of what some people thought Y2K would be 
... though an overall improvement over its predecessors, I think), the 
printouts show extra blank lines in the middle of a field, some lines 
wrap prematurely after a word or two, and so forth.
I spent 2 days of unbillable time trying to get a decent printout from a 
Windows box. I never could get it quite right.

The problem you are describing is due to the differences between Windows 
printing fonts and display fonts. For some unfathomable reason, MS 
decided to give printing fonts different metrics than the equivalent 
display font (printing fonts are generally larger) so that when you 
print, the edges of the field cut off the ends of the lines.

In my stack, after days of messing with formatForPrinting (turn it off, 
turn it on, open, close, twiddle twiddle,) I finally just left 
formatForPrinting set to false permanently, and used MS Sans Serif as 
the printing field font -- this font seems to pretty much match its own 
screen metrics and printed okay. Or maybe I set the printing field one 
font size smaller than what I was aiming for; I can't remember now.

This printing business on Windows really needs an overhaul. You might 
want to look at the revPrintField script as it does overcome some of the 
problems. If it is possible for you to pass your data field to that 
library handler, it might be easier in the long run.

--
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Re: Neobook and MMB (was: RE: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS)

[Wilhelm Sanke]

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

A number of other moderately priced multimedia authoring systems 
offer web
objects. Runrev should indeed consider to integrate a web control, too.


Unfortunately both Neobook and MMB are only available for Windows.

Well, that pretty much nixes them for me.

And for a lot of other people
so what's the point? These products don't even come close to Rev,
which is far more than a 'multimedia authoring system.

This is exactly what I meant to express with Both programs ...of course 
do not compare to the potential of XTalk languages. What constitutes a 
'multimedia authoring system' though is a matter of definition, and it 
would not hurt Rev to be put in such a category.

You are arguing about the modest fee to add altbrowser to the package
that a stock rev offers today.  Not everyone needs a 'web control.

There are a lot of things not everyone needs - even in Rev. But some 
people - like Paul Salyers to whom I responded - would like to have an 
integrated web object. And I don't think  I was arguing about the 
modest fee to add altbrowser - my plea was to integrate altBrowser into 
Rev - I just mentioned the interesting prices of these low-end 
alternatives for beginning programmers (my words) .--

At which point there remains to wish you - and all list members - a 
Merry Xmas and some quiet and possibly creative days between the years 
- as we would say in this region of the world.

Best regards,
Wilhelm Sanke
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Printing Images

[Derek Bump]

With everyone talking about printing faults, I figured I should bring up one 
that I have noticed for a long time (even since MetaCard).

When I print an Image, it comes out all spotty looking.  Almost like it was 
printed on a 2 Dot's per Inch printer (Seriously).

Any ideas on this issue?  The image is usually located within a field, but I do 
remember that the same thing happening with images not residing in fields.
 

Derek Bump
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Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress
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SpecialFolderPath in standalone

[Mark Smith]

I can't find anything related to this in the archives, so maybe some 
kind soul can help me out here.

I want to write some prefs to a prefs file in the users library folder 
(this is OS X)

I do this:
on savePrefs
put file:  specialFolderPath(Preferences)  /MyPrefs into fName
put thePrefs into URL fName
end savePrefs   
This works fine in theIDE, but not at all in the standalone. The file 
is simply not updated.

Any ideas?
Thanks
Mark Smith
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Re: SpecialFolderPath in standalone

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Smith wrote:
 I can't find anything related to this in the archives, so maybe some
 kind soul can help me out here.

 I want to write some prefs to a prefs file in the users library folder
 (this is OS X)
Try this and see what you get:
on savePrefs
 put file:  specialFolderPath(Preferences)  /MyPrefs into fName
 ANSWER THE RESULT -- see what the engine tells you
 put thePrefs into URL fName
end savePrefs
--
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 Fourth World Media Corporation
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Re: SpecialFolderPath in standalone

[Mark Brownell]

On Thursday, December 23, 2004, at 12:00 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
on savePrefs
put file:  specialFolderPath(Preferences)  /MyPrefs into fName
put thePrefs into URL fName
end savePrefs   
This works fine in theIDE, but not at all in the standalone. The file 
is simply not updated.

Any ideas?
Thanks
Mark Smith
  if the platform is MacOS then
put specialFolderPath(preferences) into regStatGoPath
put regStatGoPath  /text.txt into stashAdX
  end if
  if there is a file stashAdX then
answer Yes, there is a file
put URL (binfile:  stashAdX) into temp
put compress(temp) into hipR
put base64Encode(hipR) into URL (binfile:  stashAdX)
end if
or:
 put URL (file:  stashAdX) into temp
 put temp into URL (file:  stashAdX)
HTH,
Mark
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Re: open printing with dialog -- Windows equiv?

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
That bug already has my 5 votes.  Sorry, bugzilla won't let me give it 
more (believe me, I tried).  Also, that bug does not correctly address 
this issue.

I can't really use revPrintField as my layout is a highly complex 
multipage layout which needs somewhat precise positioning, including 
tables and images.

For now, I filed this as bug #2492 (and voted for it).  I guess I'll 
have to work on other parts of the project until this is resolved.

And here we were shooting for a February release.  Not if this isn't 
resolved by then.  It's a real show-stopper.

Oh, and let's not vent too harshly at Rev for this -- even though Rev 
could definitely be improved in this area, it seems to me that Windows 
is primarily at fault here.  Using different font metrics from screen 
to printer is downright stupid.  Anything to make our lives more 
difficult...

Anyone know if it's possible to trick Windows into using the screen 
metrics when printing?  That would be a nice trick.  How about a new 
global property in Rev called 
alwaysPrintWithScreenMetricsDespiteSillyOperatingSystemConventions  
(or a shorter version thereof).


On Dec 23, 2004, at 2:06 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
Sorry to say , I think the whole printing lib needs to be enhanced. I 
definitely think that every body should give there full vote for it .
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1619
when it comes to business applications with out these enhancements you 
are dead
besides that , its a shame , RR a  tool with every thing to it, 
capable , easy and so on should lack a main feature and an important 
one like this, especially with many competition out there
Hershel Fisch
On Wednesday, December 22, 2004, at 04:27  PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. 
wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Okay, I finally got around to trying this, but it doesn't work.  I 
followed these steps as closely as I possibly could, but I still get 
strange printouts from Windows (XP is bad, 2000 is pathetic), and OS 
X printouts still look great.

The biggest issue (perhaps the only one left) with XP printing is 
that text at the right edge of a field does not print.  In other 
words, the field is x units wide, Rev allows the line of text to be 
x+y units wide, and the extra y pixels get cut off instead of 
wrapped.  The field is multiline and other lines below that one do 
exist.

In W2K (the real manifestation of what some people thought Y2K would 
be ... though an overall improvement over its predecessors, I think), 
the printouts show extra blank lines in the middle of a field, some 
lines wrap prematurely after a word or two, and so forth.

Oh, and I just recently figured out the problem with the Preparing 
stack: it was topLevel, and hidden behind my modal dialog (which was 
a sheet in OS X, so not a problem there...)   Oops!  Fixed by 
displaying it as a palette.

On Nov 23, 2004, at 12:43 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
Hi Frank,
The thing with formatForPrinting is that you shouldn't
change the content of the stack after setting this
property to true, or the formatting will be off.
So the best option is to set the data,; next you set
formatForPrinting false and then back to true ; next
you save the stack, close and reopen it ; and then
print it.
As for your 'preparing' stack not showing up : is it
possible you're running that part of the script inside
a lock/unlock screen pair ?
Jan Schenkel.
- ---
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin)

iD8DBQFByebf7aqtWrR9cZoRAoRAAJ4ysvxA2s6GpEmHfFeEwduxbggrbgCfbHWa
F9uOT9hB2wDOLvqmx/DheSE=
=MkHr
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin)

iD8DBQFByyd37aqtWrR9cZoRAm+TAJ9nygP7VT1O93DeaUvlK5mVvHszrACfeF8w

Re: open printing with dialog -- Windows equiv?

[Hershel Fisch]

On Thursday, December 23, 2004, at 03:15  PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
That bug already has my 5 votes.  Sorry, bugzilla won't let me give it 
more (believe me, I tried).  Also, that bug does not correctly address 
this issue.

I can't really use revPrintField as my layout is a highly complex 
multipage layout which needs somewhat precise positioning, including 
tables and images.
While enhancments will be I hope that all of them will be included.
For now, I filed this as bug #2492 (and voted for it).  I guess I'll 
have to work on other parts of the project until this is resolved.

And here we were shooting for a February release.  Not if this isn't 
resolved by then.  It's a real show-stopper.

Oh, and let's not vent too harshly at Rev for this -- even though Rev 
could definitely be improved in this area, it seems to me that Windows 
is primarily at fault here.  Using different font metrics from screen 
to printer is downright stupid.  Anything to make our lives more 
difficult...

Anyone know if it's possible to trick Windows into using the screen 
metrics when printing?  That would be a nice trick.  How about a new 
global property in Rev called 
alwaysPrintWithScreenMetricsDespiteSillyOperatingSystemConventions  
(or a shorter version thereof).
LOL..HA HA, good.
Hershel

On Dec 23, 2004, at 2:06 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
Sorry to say , I think the whole printing lib needs to be enhanced. I 
definitely think that every body should give there full vote for it .
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1619
when it comes to business applications with out these enhancements 
you are dead
besides that , its a shame , RR a  tool with every thing to it, 
capable , easy and so on should lack a main feature and an important 
one like this, especially with many competition out there
Hershel Fisch
On Wednesday, December 22, 2004, at 04:27  PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. 
wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Okay, I finally got around to trying this, but it doesn't work.  I 
followed these steps as closely as I possibly could, but I still get 
strange printouts from Windows (XP is bad, 2000 is pathetic), and OS 
X printouts still look great.

The biggest issue (perhaps the only one left) with XP printing is 
that text at the right edge of a field does not print.  In other 
words, the field is x units wide, Rev allows the line of text to be 
x+y units wide, and the extra y pixels get cut off instead of 
wrapped.  The field is multiline and other lines below that one do 
exist.

In W2K (the real manifestation of what some people thought Y2K would 
be ... though an overall improvement over its predecessors, I 
think), the printouts show extra blank lines in the middle of a 
field, some lines wrap prematurely after a word or two, and so  forth.

Oh, and I just recently figured out the problem with the Preparing 
stack: it was topLevel, and hidden behind my modal dialog (which was 
a sheet in OS X, so not a problem there...)   Oops!  Fixed by 
displaying it as a palette.

On Nov 23, 2004, at 12:43 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
Hi Frank,
The thing with formatForPrinting is that you shouldn't
change the content of the stack after setting this
property to true, or the formatting will be off.
So the best option is to set the data,; next you set
formatForPrinting false and then back to true ; next
you save the stack, close and reopen it ; and then
print it.
As for your 'preparing' stack not showing up : is it
possible you're running that part of the script inside
a lock/unlock screen pair ?
Jan Schenkel.
- ---
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
everlasting life.
$
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin)

iD8DBQFByebf7aqtWrR9cZoRAoRAAJ4ysvxA2s6GpEmHfFeEwduxbggrbgCfbHWa
F9uOT9hB2wDOLvqmx/DheSE=
=MkHr
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$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten 
Son, that whosoever believeth in him 

RE: open printing with dialog -- Windows equiv?

[Lynch, Jonathan]

Just a thought...

An odd work-around...

Couldn't you make an image of the layout that you wish to print, then
print the image?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hershel
Fisch
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 3:14 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: open printing with dialog -- Windows equiv?


On Thursday, December 23, 2004, at 03:15  PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 That bug already has my 5 votes.  Sorry, bugzilla won't let me give it

 more (believe me, I tried).  Also, that bug does not correctly address

 this issue.

 I can't really use revPrintField as my layout is a highly complex 
 multipage layout which needs somewhat precise positioning, including 
 tables and images.
While enhancments will be I hope that all of them will be included.

 For now, I filed this as bug #2492 (and voted for it).  I guess I'll 
 have to work on other parts of the project until this is resolved.

 And here we were shooting for a February release.  Not if this isn't 
 resolved by then.  It's a real show-stopper.

 Oh, and let's not vent too harshly at Rev for this -- even though Rev 
 could definitely be improved in this area, it seems to me that Windows

 is primarily at fault here.  Using different font metrics from screen 
 to printer is downright stupid.  Anything to make our lives more 
 difficult...

 Anyone know if it's possible to trick Windows into using the screen 
 metrics when printing?  That would be a nice trick.  How about a new 
 global property in Rev called 
 alwaysPrintWithScreenMetricsDespiteSillyOperatingSystemConventions  
 (or a shorter version thereof).
LOL..HA HA, good.
Hershel



 On Dec 23, 2004, at 2:06 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

 Sorry to say , I think the whole printing lib needs to be enhanced. I

 definitely think that every body should give there full vote for it .
 http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1619
 when it comes to business applications with out these enhancements 
 you are dead
 besides that , its a shame , RR a  tool with every thing to it, 
 capable , easy and so on should lack a main feature and an important 
 one like this, especially with many competition out there
 Hershel Fisch
 On Wednesday, December 22, 2004, at 04:27  PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. 
 wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 Okay, I finally got around to trying this, but it doesn't work.  I 
 followed these steps as closely as I possibly could, but I still get

 strange printouts from Windows (XP is bad, 2000 is pathetic), and OS

 X printouts still look great.

 The biggest issue (perhaps the only one left) with XP printing is 
 that text at the right edge of a field does not print.  In other 
 words, the field is x units wide, Rev allows the line of text to be 
 x+y units wide, and the extra y pixels get cut off instead of 
 wrapped.  The field is multiline and other lines below that one do 
 exist.

 In W2K (the real manifestation of what some people thought Y2K would

 be ... though an overall improvement over its predecessors, I 
 think), the printouts show extra blank lines in the middle of a 
 field, some lines wrap prematurely after a word or two, and so 
forth.


 Oh, and I just recently figured out the problem with the Preparing

 stack: it was topLevel, and hidden behind my modal dialog (which was

 a sheet in OS X, so not a problem there...)   Oops!  Fixed by 
 displaying it as a palette.

 On Nov 23, 2004, at 12:43 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

 Hi Frank,

 The thing with formatForPrinting is that you shouldn't
 change the content of the stack after setting this
 property to true, or the formatting will be off.
 So the best option is to set the data,; next you set
 formatForPrinting false and then back to true ; next
 you save the stack, close and reopen it ; and then
 print it.
 As for your 'preparing' stack not showing up : is it
 possible you're running that part of the script inside
 a lock/unlock screen pair ?

 Jan Schenkel.
 - ---
 Frank D. Engel, Jr.  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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 $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16
 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten

 Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have 
 everlasting life.
 $
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Re: open printing with dialog -- Windows equiv?

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

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It would be very slow, particularly with a PostScript laser printer 
(like mine), but it has some real merit as a temporary work-around.  
I'll definitely give that a try.

On Dec 23, 2004, at 3:26 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
Just a thought...
An odd work-around...
Couldn't you make an image of the layout that you wish to print, then
print the image?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hershel
Fisch
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 3:14 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: open printing with dialog -- Windows equiv?
On Thursday, December 23, 2004, at 03:15  PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. 
wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
That bug already has my 5 votes.  Sorry, bugzilla won't let me give it

more (believe me, I tried).  Also, that bug does not correctly address

this issue.
I can't really use revPrintField as my layout is a highly complex
multipage layout which needs somewhat precise positioning, including
tables and images.
While enhancments will be I hope that all of them will be included.
For now, I filed this as bug #2492 (and voted for it).  I guess I'll
have to work on other parts of the project until this is resolved.
And here we were shooting for a February release.  Not if this isn't
resolved by then.  It's a real show-stopper.
Oh, and let's not vent too harshly at Rev for this -- even though Rev
could definitely be improved in this area, it seems to me that Windows

is primarily at fault here.  Using different font metrics from screen
to printer is downright stupid.  Anything to make our lives more
difficult...
Anyone know if it's possible to trick Windows into using the screen
metrics when printing?  That would be a nice trick.  How about a new
global property in Rev called
alwaysPrintWithScreenMetricsDespiteSillyOperatingSystemConventions
(or a shorter version thereof).
LOL..HA HA, good.
Hershel

On Dec 23, 2004, at 2:06 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
Sorry to say , I think the whole printing lib needs to be enhanced. I

definitely think that every body should give there full vote for it .
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1619
when it comes to business applications with out these enhancements
you are dead
besides that , its a shame , RR a  tool with every thing to it,
capable , easy and so on should lack a main feature and an important
one like this, especially with many competition out there
Hershel Fisch
On Wednesday, December 22, 2004, at 04:27  PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr.
wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Okay, I finally got around to trying this, but it doesn't work.  I
followed these steps as closely as I possibly could, but I still get

strange printouts from Windows (XP is bad, 2000 is pathetic), and OS

X printouts still look great.
The biggest issue (perhaps the only one left) with XP printing is
that text at the right edge of a field does not print.  In other
words, the field is x units wide, Rev allows the line of text to be
x+y units wide, and the extra y pixels get cut off instead of
wrapped.  The field is multiline and other lines below that one do
exist.
In W2K (the real manifestation of what some people thought Y2K would

be ... though an overall improvement over its predecessors, I
think), the printouts show extra blank lines in the middle of a
field, some lines wrap prematurely after a word or two, and so 
forth.

Oh, and I just recently figured out the problem with the Preparing

stack: it was topLevel, and hidden behind my modal dialog (which was

a sheet in OS X, so not a problem there...)   Oops!  Fixed by
displaying it as a palette.
On Nov 23, 2004, at 12:43 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
Hi Frank,
The thing with formatForPrinting is that you shouldn't
change the content of the stack after setting this
property to true, or the formatting will be off.
So the best option is to set the data,; next you set
formatForPrinting false and then back to true ; next
you save the stack, close and reopen it ; and then
print it.
As for your 'preparing' stack not showing up : is it
possible you're running that part of the script inside
a lock/unlock screen pair ?
Jan Schenkel.
- ---
Frank D. Engel, Jr.  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
$ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual
$ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten

Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.
$
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Script local variables and initialization.

[Alex Tweedly]

I think I've discovered something, but if possible I'd like it to be 
confirmed (or alternatively, to know that I'm wrong, and then I can go 
back to debugging).

I have some script local variables, used in multiple handlers within the 
card script. I expected them to be reset at start up, and to retain 
their values from then on - but it appears that they are in fact reset 
before openCard.

(i.e. I call one of the handlers within the card script from 
preOpenStack, that sets an initial value, but that value appears to be 
lost.  I know it's probably a bad idea to call a card handler from 
preOpenStack, and I'll be changing that anyway - but it would be 
reassuring to know that this unconfirmed theory is correct.)

The docs are a bit vague
The value of a script local variable is retained between handlers, but 
is lost when you quit the application, when you close the stack 
(unless its destroyStack property is false), or when the script is 
re-compiled.
which doesn't really mention start-up conditions.
Thanks
-- Alex.

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DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

[webmail]

Let the flames begin!!

Flame, flame, burning hot
Rise up now and scorch the lot.
Let the stench of flesh a-burning
Leave them all with stomachs churning.

WOW! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Looks like a lump of coal in 
your stocking this Christmas--HO-HO-HO!

If  issue 224 isn't sufficient to clue you in to it being a publication of 
some type, you might as well just skip over the whole post. You could have 
spent your time doing a Google search rather than ranting at me. I stand by my 
statement in the prior post: I would think if you can figure out 
DreamCard/Revolution, you should most certainly be able to determine how and 
where to find the review from the specific details given. I suspect from your 
rant that you wear blinders to all things non-Mac. Doesn't a title like PCPLUS 
tip you off this must be non-mac oriented?

As for the purpose, no point in even commenting on that, because people (hmm, 
looks like your are a good example)  on this list distort things so much that 
even when purpose is  stated, a wide selection of interpretations abound. So, 
take it and put whatever spin YOU feel like--negative, neutral, positive--no 
matter.

webmailman

Stephen Barncard said:
Well, Mr. Attitude, PCPLUS sounds like a product- is it a magazine, newspaper, 
whatever?? - I've never heard of it and certainly never read it. Also it's hard 
to figure if you posted this to slam Rev? Was the 'smell the coffee' part yours 
or in the quoted article?

So no, the source, purpose and meaning of the post is NOT clear.



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RE: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

[Lynch, Jonathan]

Maybe we just don't wish to waste time playing detective - do you really
have nothing better to do than taunt?

COUGH,COUGHgetalifeCOUGH

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Let the flames begin!!

Flame, flame, burning hot
Rise up now and scorch the lot.
Let the stench of flesh a-burning
Leave them all with stomachs churning.

WOW! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Looks like a lump of
coal in your stocking this Christmas--HO-HO-HO!

If  issue 224 isn't sufficient to clue you in to it being a
publication of some type, you might as well just skip over the whole
post. You could have spent your time doing a Google search rather than
ranting at me. I stand by my statement in the prior post: I would think
if you can figure out DreamCard/Revolution, you should most certainly be
able to determine how and where to find the review from the specific
details given. I suspect from your rant that you wear blinders to all
things non-Mac. Doesn't a title like PCPLUS tip you off this must be
non-mac oriented?

As for the purpose, no point in even commenting on that, because people
(hmm, looks like your are a good example)  on this list distort things
so much that even when purpose is  stated, a wide selection of
interpretations abound. So, take it and put whatever spin YOU feel
like--negative, neutral, positive--no matter.

webmailman

Stephen Barncard said:
Well, Mr. Attitude, PCPLUS sounds like a product- is it a magazine,
newspaper, whatever?? - I've never heard of it and certainly never read
it. Also it's hard to figure if you posted this to slam Rev? Was the
'smell the coffee' part yours or in the quoted article?

So no, the source, purpose and meaning of the post is NOT clear.



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Re: Script local variables and initialization.

[Dar Scott]

On Dec 23, 2004, at 1:42 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
The docs are a bit vague
The value of a script local variable is retained between handlers, 
but is lost when you quit the application, when you close the stack 
(unless its destroyStack property is false), or when the script is 
re-compiled.
which doesn't really mention start-up conditions.
The key word might be re-compiled.
I would have thought that it would be re-compiled only once and that at 
first use.

Here is a way to find out if it is being compiled twice and when.  Use 
a later version and put in a new command in the script.  Then open the 
stack on an earlier version that doesn't have the command.  You will 
get an error when it compiles.  If it really compiles twice, then you 
will get it twice.

It may be that your send or call fails.
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if dir exist

[Paul Salyers]

I'm trying to get out on VB thinking and into Rev
I searched under exist and fount nothing. Can some1 help with this code?
It checks to see if c:\winnt\ exist if so then it works from that director, 
else it works from the c:\windows\ directory

This is one of the headaches that programmers can thank Billy Boy for.
Maybe there is a better way in Rev, if so I don't know about it. *
Dire = Dir(c:\winnt\, vbDirectory)
If Dire   Then
Dire = c:\winnt\
Else
Dire = c:\Windows\
End If
Paul Salyers
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Re: if dir exist

[Alex Tweedly]

Paul Salyers wrote:
I'm trying to get out on VB thinking and into Rev
I searched under exist and fount nothing. Can some1 help with this code?
What you need is thethere is a operator.
if there is a folder C:\winnt then
etc.
There may be a better way - but please check it first (I only have WinXP 
on hand ...)

  specialFolderpath(System)
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Re: if dir exist

[Richard Gaskin]

On the use-rev list Paul Salyers wrote:
I'm trying to get out on VB thinking and into Rev
I searched under exist and fount nothing. Can some1 help with this code?
Hmmm this is another interesting search anomaly.
Had you searched for the English singular verb form exists (e.g. if 
this exists then...) you would have found the exists function.  While 
that function only tests the existence of objects, it has a See Also 
item that points to the there is operator for files and folders.

But since exist is a substring of exists, it would be nice if there 
was a substring option to compliment the whole-word search apparently 
driving the docs now.

Yesterday's search was similar:  you had searched for keyPress, which 
is a programmer term, but had you searched for the English phrase key 
press you would have found what you were looking for quickly.

As we explore the strengths and weaknesses of the docs' Search tool 
here, I'm taking notes and passing them along to those who might be able 
to improve its results. So please keep 'em coming:  anytime you don't 
find something easily, dropping a note here not only gets you the answer 
but also makes folks aware of ways to improve the usefulness of the docs.

In the meantime, perhaps one general rule these searches suggest for 
better results is to try the common English form of a phrase when the VB 
 term doesn't turn up what you'd expect.

Thanks for the post.
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Re: SpecialFolderPath in standalone

[Mark Smith]

Thanks Richard and Mark.
Further investigation following your suggestions shows that the problem 
is not what I thought. In fact the special folder path stuff works 
fine, it's the XML stuff that builds the prefs that's screwing up. 
Since it works fine in the IDE , and I'm including the XML library in 
the standalone build, I'm still mystified...

Further investigations
Thanks,
Mark Smith
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Re: SpecialFolderPath in standalone

[Mark Smith]

Following on, I remembered seeing something on the list about Rev 2.5 
not building correctly, so I built the standalone with Rev 2.2.

Hey presto! All works.
This seems to suggest that 2.5 is not attaching libraries properly, (or 
at all). Has this been bugzilla'd?

Thanks for the suggestions,
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Re: Script local variables and initialization.

[Dar Scott]

On Dec 23, 2004, at 1:42 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
(i.e. I call one of the handlers within the card script from 
preOpenStack, that sets an initial value, but that value appears to be 
lost.  I know it's probably a bad idea to call a card handler from 
preOpenStack, and I'll be changing that anyway - but it would be 
reassuring to know that this unconfirmed theory is correct.)
Works for me.
on preOpenStack
  put pos into x
  call setL x of card 2 of me
end preOpenStack
I would think you can call a card handler from preOpenStack.  Did you 
mean startup?

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Re: Script local variables and initialization.

[Alex Tweedly]

Dar Scott wrote:
The key word might be re-compiled.
I would have thought that it would be re-compiled only once and that 
at first use.

Here is a way to find out if it is being compiled twice and when.  Use 
a later version and put in a new command in the script.  Then open the 
stack on an earlier version that doesn't have the command.  You will 
get an error when it compiles.  If it really compiles twice, then you 
will get it twice.
I'm not sure if I understood this correctly or not - can I rephrase it 
and you tell me if that's what you mean, or if I got it wrong ?

Use a later version of Rev, and add a newly-added command in the card 
script. Check that works.

Then switch to an earlier version of Rev and load the stack into that; 
there should be compile errors due to the command which doesn't exist in 
this earlier version.

Yes ?  Or no ?
Is there a way to find which commands are recently added ?  Or any 
specific suggestions for commands added between 2.2.1 and 2.5 (the only 
two versions I have).

It may be that your send or call fails.
Don't think so. The handler in the card script (Display) is called 
from the preOpenStack to fill in the field values - which it does. There 
is no other call to it except within button scripts; so the fact that it 
has values in it strongly suggests it is being successfully called from 
the preOpenStack - and it is filling in the correct values for record 
number 1. (Also checked this within debugger - and can see the local 
variable starting empty and having 1 assigned to it).

Then when I click on any of my navigation buttons, Display is called 
again - but the debugger shows that the local variables are all empty, 
including the one(s) set in the first time through Display.

Moving the call to Display from preOpenStack to openCard SEEMS to 
fix it - but I'm worried that I'm just pushing some problem into hiding.

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Re: Script local variables and initialization.

[Dar Scott]

On Dec 23, 2004, at 2:51 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
  call setL x of card 2 of me
I also tried send and send in time.
Maybe you forgot to Close and Remove from Memory?
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Re: Script local variables and initialization.

[Dar Scott]

This may not be needed; I tried what I thought you said and it worked 
for me.

On Dec 23, 2004, at 2:58 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
Here is a way to find out if it is being compiled twice and when.  
Use a later version and put in a new command in the script.  Then 
open the stack on an earlier version that doesn't have the command.  
You will get an error when it compiles.  If it really compiles twice, 
then you will get it twice.
I'm not sure if I understood this correctly or not - can I rephrase it 
and you tell me if that's what you mean, or if I got it wrong ?

Use a later version of Rev, and add a newly-added command in the card 
script. Check that works.

Then switch to an earlier version of Rev and load the stack into that; 
there should be compile errors due to the command which doesn't exist 
in this earlier version.

Yes ?  Or no ?
Yes.
Is there a way to find which commands are recently added ?  Or any 
specific suggestions for commands added between 2.2.1 and 2.5 (the 
only two versions I have).
Try encrypt.
If it is really compiling twice you will see two errors, I assume.  If 
you get no errors, you may have a shadow stack (a term I just made up) 
in memory.  Quit Revolution and reopen the stack.

This test may not be needed.  I tried something trivial and it worked 
for me on 2.5 on OS X.

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Re: Script local variables and initialization.

[Alex Tweedly]

Dar Scott wrote:
On Dec 23, 2004, at 1:42 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
(i.e. I call one of the handlers within the card script from 
preOpenStack, that sets an initial value, but that value appears to 
be lost.  I know it's probably a bad idea to call a card handler from 
preOpenStack, and I'll be changing that anyway - but it would be 
reassuring to know that this unconfirmed theory is correct.)

Works for me.
on preOpenStack
  put pos into x
  call setL x of card 2 of me
end preOpenStack
I would think you can call a card handler from preOpenStack.  Did you 
mean startup?

No, I did mean preOpenStack, but this example works for me too.
Darn !  - it seemed like a decent theory :-(   
OK - back to debugging ..

Many thanks !
-- Alex.
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Re: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

[Thomas McGrath III]

I cold not find issue 224 and any search with Dreamcard or 
Revolution showed up nothing.

still not clear.
Tom
On Dec 23, 2004, at 3:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let the flames begin!!
Flame, flame, burning hot
Rise up now and scorch the lot.
Let the stench of flesh a-burning
Leave them all with stomachs churning.
WOW! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Looks like a lump of 
coal in your stocking this Christmas--HO-HO-HO!

If  issue 224 isn't sufficient to clue you in to it being a 
publication of some type, you might as well just skip over the whole 
post. You could have spent your time doing a Google search rather than 
ranting at me. I stand by my statement in the prior post: I would 
think if you can figure out DreamCard/Revolution, you should most 
certainly be able to determine how and where to find the review from 
the specific details given. I suspect from your rant that you wear 
blinders to all things non-Mac. Doesn't a title like PCPLUS tip you 
off this must be non-mac oriented?

As for the purpose, no point in even commenting on that, because 
people (hmm, looks like your are a good example)  on this list distort 
things so much that even when purpose is  stated, a wide selection of 
interpretations abound. So, take it and put whatever spin YOU feel 
like--negative, neutral, positive--no matter.

webmailman

Stephen Barncard said:
Well, Mr. Attitude, PCPLUS sounds like a product- is it a magazine, 
newspaper, whatever?? - I've never heard of it and certainly never 
read it. Also it's hard to figure if you posted this to slam Rev? Was 
the 'smell the coffee' part yours or in the quoted article?

So no, the source, purpose and meaning of the post is NOT clear.

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Re: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

[Thomas McGrath III]

At the PCPlus website. That was where I searched and found nothing.
On Dec 23, 2004, at 6:01 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
I cold not find issue 224 and any search with Dreamcard or 
Revolution showed up nothing.

still not clear.
Tom
On Dec 23, 2004, at 3:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let the flames begin!!
Flame, flame, burning hot
Rise up now and scorch the lot.
Let the stench of flesh a-burning
Leave them all with stomachs churning.
WOW! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Looks like a lump 
of coal in your stocking this Christmas--HO-HO-HO!

If  issue 224 isn't sufficient to clue you in to it being a 
publication of some type, you might as well just skip over the whole 
post. You could have spent your time doing a Google search rather 
than ranting at me. I stand by my statement in the prior post: I 
would think if you can figure out DreamCard/Revolution, you should 
most certainly be able to determine how and where to find the review 
from the specific details given. I suspect from your rant that you 
wear blinders to all things non-Mac. Doesn't a title like PCPLUS tip 
you off this must be non-mac oriented?

As for the purpose, no point in even commenting on that, because 
people (hmm, looks like your are a good example)  on this list 
distort things so much that even when purpose is  stated, a wide 
selection of interpretations abound. So, take it and put whatever 
spin YOU feel like--negative, neutral, positive--no matter.

webmailman

Stephen Barncard said:
Well, Mr. Attitude, PCPLUS sounds like a product- is it a magazine, 
newspaper, whatever?? - I've never heard of it and certainly never 
read it. Also it's hard to figure if you posted this to slam Rev? Was 
the 'smell the coffee' part yours or in the quoted article?

So no, the source, purpose and meaning of the post is NOT clear.

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Re: SpecialFolderPath in standalone

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

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You can manually copy the external into the 'externals' dir in the same 
loc as the standalone (windows/UNIX) or in the Contents/MacOS folder 
inside the bundle for OS X.

On Dec 23, 2004, at 4:51 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
Following on, I remembered seeing something on the list about Rev 2.5 
not building correctly, so I built the standalone with Rev 2.2.

Hey presto! All works.
This seems to suggest that 2.5 is not attaching libraries properly, 
(or at all). Has this been bugzilla'd?

Thanks for the suggestions,
Mark Smith
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Re: Script local variables and initialization.

[Frank Leahy]

On Dec 23, 2004, at 10:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

From: Dar Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Script local variables and initialization.
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
On Dec 23, 2004, at 1:42 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
The docs are a bit vague
The value of a script local variable is retained between handlers,
but is lost when you quit the application, when you close the stack
(unless its destroyStack property is false), or when the script is
re-compiled.
which doesn't really mention start-up conditions.
The key word might be re-compiled.
I would have thought that it would be re-compiled only once and that at
first use.
Here is a way to find out if it is being compiled twice and when.  Use
a later version and put in a new command in the script.  Then open the
stack on an earlier version that doesn't have the command.  You will
get an error when it compiles.  If it really compiles twice, then you
will get it twice.
It gets recompiled whenever you edit a script and click Apply.  So, 
if you've initialized something in openCard or preOpenCard, or some 
other pre or open handler, then edit the script, the variables will 
become uninitialized.

-- Frank
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Re: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

[Frank Leahy]

The review doesn't appear to be available online, which is why he can't 
give us a URL for it (either that or there wasn't actually a review)
-- Frank

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On Dec 23, 2004, at 10:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Let the flames begin!!
Flame, flame, burning hot
Rise up now and scorch the lot.
Let the stench of flesh a-burning
Leave them all with stomachs churning.
WOW! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Looks like a lump of 
coal in your stocking this Christmas--HO-HO-HO!

If  issue 224 isn't sufficient to clue you in to it being a 
publication of some type, you might as well just skip over the whole 
post. You could have spent your time doing a Google search rather than 
ranting at me. I stand by my statement in the prior post: I would 
think if you can figure out DreamCard/Revolution, you should most 
certainly be able to determine how and where to find the review from 
the specific details given. I suspect from your rant that you wear 
blinders to all things non-Mac. Doesn't a title like PCPLUS tip you 
off this must be non-mac oriented?
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Adventure Games with Revolution?

[Roger Kenyon]

 I can find no dedicated Mac OS X game engine for point-and-click adventure
games in the spirit of Day of the Tentacle, Monkey Island, Sam  Max.

Do you know of any point-and-click adventure games made with Revolution?
General multimedia tools don't take care of the low-level game management
and there are few or no adventure games templates. Revolution has potential,
but I would really like a template.

Would anybody be open to making a Revolution point-and-click adventure game
to guide others?


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Re: Adventure Games with Revolution?

[Richard Gaskin]

Roger Kenyon wrote:
Do you know of any point-and-click adventure games made with Revolution?
Here's a great 5-CD one with a gorgeous soundtrack:
http://www.alidagame.com/
The game was originally developed for Mac OS in SuperCard, and recently 
ported to Windows using Rev.

I'm preparing to do an interview in January with its author for 
revJournal, the Rev webzine.

Also of interest is If Monks Had Macs, from rivertext.com.  There's a 
text adventure game within its vast collection, but the overall feel of 
the piece is rather like exploring an abstract game space.

--
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Re: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

[Richard Gaskin]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let the flames begin!!
I've been rather surprised by the reaction to the review excerpts posted 
here.  While webmailman had been anonymous (and likely to remain so 
after the flaming), a simple search in the use-rev archives shows at 
least one prior post from that addrerss on a scripting issue.  So it 
seems safe to say Mr. webmailman is a Rev scripter, not a troll.

As for PC Plus, I can assure you it's a real magazine.  They ran an 
article on WebMerge there last year, and kindly included my demo on 
their CD.  It's one of a good many magazines published by Future 
Publications, and my associations with them have all been top-notch.

I'm surprised PC Plus has been posting articles at their site at all. 
Many of Future Pub's mags don't have a content site (just subscription 
info), as the company is very much print-oriented.  I'm glad to see this 
foray into web publishing, and I suspect that since they seem to be in 
transition getting confortable with the web model it may well be the 
case that they only post articles there once the shelf life of an issue 
has expired (usually 30 to 60 days from publication).  MacTech magazine 
once had a similar model.

The article wasn't really all that bad when step back and look at the 
big picture. The biggest problem was that he was reviewing the wrong 
product: a comparison with VB should be against Revolution, RunRev's 
professional tool, not their more consumer-oriented DreamCard.  But 
given that the word professional appears in descriptions for both 
products it's not surprising that he picked the wrong one.

So perhaps it was a good thing:  if a professional writer can't figure 
out which product he should be working with, what does that say for 
less experienced prospects?

This is a great opportunity for RunRev to better hone each product's 
message to help customers distinguish them.

If they can also restore the Getting Started info that had been in the 
docs in all versions prior to v2.5 I suspect their next review will be 
as good as most of the others they get.

Note to Mr. webmailman:  please try to not take the response in this 
venue too seriously.  Heck, when MacWorld gave Rev a 4-out-of-5 review 
people here complained about that too.  :)  It's just what happens when 
you're in love with a market underdog.

Fortunately RunRev management seems to recognize the opportunity this 
latest review represents for more effective management of the product's 
message, so I suspect down the road we'll see both the product, and 
subsequent reviews of it, improved.  After all, that's what reviewers 
are for.

--
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Re: Adventure Games with Revolution?

[Roger Kenyon]

Richard:

Could you tell me more about the text adventure game within If Monks Had
Macs. I went to the site, but it is, well, less than lucid.

I am mainly interested in point-and-click adventure games (such as Day of
the Tentacle, Monkey Island, or Sam  Max), but text adventure with
Revolution is an interesting idea. It is bound to be easier to use than
Inform or TADS.


On 12/23/04 7:11 PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Re: Adventure Games with Revolution?

[Richard Gaskin]

Roger Kenyon wrote:
 On 12/23/04 7:11 PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

rivertext.com
 Richard:

 Could you tell me more about the text adventure game within
 If Monks Had Macs. I went to the site, but it is, well,
 less than lucid.
Oh, it's quie lucid.  But If Monks Had Macs is hard to pin down.
Brian's description of it at the rivertext.com site is a pretty good 
one, given the size and diversity of the collection of goodies on the CD.

As the author of the book Secrets of Successful Multimedia Design put it:
  ...resists categorization...acheived 'acknowledged masterpiece'
   status without anyone being able to hand a label on it.
I tried to sum it up in the pages at my own site for Sophie, the free 
e-book reader we jointly developed which is also included in the Monks 
package:

   Sophie is only one part of the collection of literary machines,
   interative art and provacative ideas found in If Monks Had Macs,
   a multimedia CD-ROM product for Mac and Windows.
   http://www.fourthworld.com/products/sophie/monks.html
RunRev and Rivertext recently issues a joint release with a demo that 
should be available somewhere -- in RevOnline?

 I am mainly interested in point-and-click adventure games (such as
 Day of the Tentacle, Monkey Island, or Sam  Max), but text adventure
 with Revolution is an interesting idea. It is bound to be easier to
 use than Inform or TADS.
Indeed it is.  Rev's text handling is both efficient and easy to do.  To 
paraphrase Meis van der Rohe, God is in chunk expressions. ;)

The text adventure in Monks is a fun one:  in Meat and Conversation 
you take on the role of a travelling monk, with the goal of avoiding 
temptations.

There's also a solitaire game, Killing Time, nicely done with a set of 
gorgeously-drawn cards, with coding done by Jacque Gay (who's popular 
Blocker and Klondike stacks she made in Rev have kept me quite busy for 
embarassingly long stretches).

But there's a lot more there:  Jeanne DeVoto contributed some code to 
Brian's exploration of Bruegel's Tower of Babel painting, I 
collaborated with him on a personal journal application that's included, 
and all this and more is accessed from a bookshelf in a nicely rendered 
monastary cloister, complete with animated fountain and monk chants. :)

My personal favorite in Monks is the Thinkertoy, a wonderfully novel 
way to nagivate among the writings of Emerson and others on slavery 
(there's a screen shot  of it near the bottom-left of this page: 
http://www.rivertext.com/monks3.html).

With all that going on it's definitely hard to describe in a quick 
sound-byte. :)

But as for graphical adventure games, I know there must be more out 
there.  As you know Myst was built with HyperCard and The Castle was 
built a while ago with SuperCard:

Making of: http://www.blueline-studios.com/casBeh.html
Review: http://fourfatchicks.com/Reviews/Castle/Castle.shtml
Interview: 
http://fourfatchicks.com/Rants/Interviews/Dan_Kueng/Dan_Kueng_Interview.shtml

But of these graphical point-and-clicks I must say I've had a great time 
with Alida (alidagame.com).

One of the difficulties with finding point-and-click adventure games is 
that even though you and I love them the market is fixated on real-time 
3D, which requires a specialized engine and usually a lot of resources 
to put together.

But there's always room for more -- dive in and build one and I'll play it.
--
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Re: if dir exist

[Ken Ray]

On 12/23/04 2:57 PM, Paul Salyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm trying to get out on VB thinking and into Rev

Well, as some of us here have a lot of time invested in both (I've been
using VB since VB 3), don't hesitate to ask your questions here.


 I searched under exist and fount nothing. Can some1 help with this code?

Hmm. When I opened the Rev documentation with the Dictionary active, typing
in exist gave me two hits: 'existence' and 'exists', both of which have a
tip at the bottom that says to find out whether a file or folder exists or
whether a process is running, use there (sic) there is a operator.
Unfortunately, the phrase there is a is not in bold, so it may not be
readily apparent (RunRev are you taking notice?).

Anyway, using there is a {file|folder} path is the way to go. If you
know the path exactly, you can do this (paraphrasing your VB code):

if there is a folder C:\winnt\ then
  put C:\winnt\ into Dire  -- btw, why dire?
else
  put C:\Windows\ into Dire
end if

If you just want to know what the current Windows folder is, you can refer
to the tip at my site:

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm?_file010

which shows that the phrase system can be used with the
'specialFolderPath' function to get what the current Windows/WinNT directory
is for the given system:

  put specialFolderPath(system) into Dire

This also translates into code # 36, which wil give you the same thing:

  put specialFolderPath(36) into Dire

Better to use a one-liner than to type 5 or more lines, IMHO...

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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Unicode control pictures on OS X?

[Dar Scott]

I thought I had used Unicode control pictures (U+2400 up) on OS X, but 
now they don't work.  All I get is a box with ctl in it.  Was there a 
change in Revolution, fonts, me or OS X that changed this?  I get this 
with every font!

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Re: Unicode control pictures on OS X?

[Dar Scott]

On Dec 23, 2004, at 8:34 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
I thought I had used Unicode control pictures (U+2400 up) on OS X, but 
now they don't work.  All I get is a box with ctl in it.  Was there a 
change in Revolution, fonts, me or OS X that changed this?  I get this 
with every font!
I'm using OS X 10.3.7 and Revolution 2.5.  A control picture is an 
image representing a control character such as the ASCII control 
characters.  For example, numToChar(0x240A) is normally an staggered 
LF.

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RE: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

[Paul Salyers]

At 04:57 PM 12/22/2004, you wrote:
So - there are obviously VB to rev converts - are there any Rev to VB
converts?

Where do I find a VB to Rev converter?
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Re: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

[Ken Ray]

On 12/23/04 10:23 PM, Paul Salyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 04:57 PM 12/22/2004, you wrote:
 So - there are obviously VB to rev converts - are there any Rev to VB
 converts?
 
 
 Where do I find a VB to Rev converter?

Unfortunately there isn't one since the structure and formats of both tools
are widely different. You'd have to recreate your application in Rev from
scratch, but I (and everyone else on this list) would be happy to help you
do that...

Ken Ray
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Re: Unicode control pictures on OS X?

[Dar Scott]

On Dec 23, 2004, at 9:05 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
I thought I had used Unicode control pictures (U+2400 up) on OS X, 
but now they don't work.  All I get is a box with ctl in it.  Was 
there a change in Revolution, fonts, me or OS X that changed this?  I 
get this with every font!
I'm using OS X 10.3.7 and Revolution 2.5.  A control picture is an 
image representing a control character such as the ASCII control 
characters.  For example, numToChar(0x240A) is normally an staggered 
LF.
I don't think this is a Revolution problem.  I used both Font Checker 
and Font Explorer and didn't find any fonts with control pictures.  So 
either I'm losing my marbles or something happened when I upgraded from 
10.2 to 10.3.  I remember the glyphs were very ugly, so maybe they were 
yanked from the font I was using.

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Re: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

[Chipp Walters]

Richard Gaskin wrote:
I just hope they keep it separate, even if they do bundle it.  Engine 
size still matters to me, and it's too easy to add stuff that I rarely 
if ever use -- I'd hate to see a 5MB engine, and stuff adds up.

Heck, if I had it my way I'd like to see QT broken out into a separate 
includable module. I only need it in three apps, and everything else is 
carrying that code around with no benefit to my customers.
Well put. And with Trevor's excellent QT external it could be done. I, 
too am concerned about engine bloat. But, as you know, RR has better 
connectors to the engine than we (as external developers) do-- this has 
advantages.
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finding local IP... on Win98?

[kweto]

Hello again,
(B
(BBoth methods advised by Thierry Arbellot and Dar Scott worked... on Win2K
(Bbut not on Win98SE.
(B
(BThe result I got for hostAddress on a local computer was...
(B
(B0.0.0.0
(B
(B.. when I tried both Thierry Arbellot's...
(B
(B  put "255.255.255.255:43222" into testSocket
(B  open datagram socket to testSocket
(B  put hostAddress(testSocket) into theIPAddress
(B  close socket testSocket
(B
(B.. and Dar Scott's variation of using...
(B
(B the IP address of something on the LAN that is fixed"
(B
(BSo I'm back to square one, i.e., how to use Rev to find out a computer's LAN
(BIP.
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Re: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

[Chipp Walters]

C'mon Richard, I know it's Christmas, but you may want to take your rose 
colored glasses off for a second:-)

If anyone's at fault for flaming, it's Mr. Anon. Certainly, the points 
you make are correct, but please don't mistake your intimate knowledge 
of PC Plus and their prior business with you, for our (list members) 
familiarity with the same.

Anyone who starts a post:
Let the flames begin!!
Flame, flame, burning hot
Rise up now and scorch the lot.
Let the stench of flesh a-burning
Leave them all with stomachs churning.
surely cannot be taken seriously as a contributor of fact to this list. 
Especially when considering he or she wishes not to be known at all. 
(Yeah, I too previously found 1 other post...big deal).

Knowing your reputation for fact and fairness, I believe you are surely 
correct in your assessment of the article, the one you obviously read. 
Neither I nor others have had access to the article. I did (as Thomas) 
Google the Magazine and the Author to find out as much as I could, then 
even asked for a URL here on the list, with no success. As one of the 
few users here with experience in VB, I would like to create a rebuttal 
letter to the article-- and I can't do it without reading it first.

Just as any profession, there are good reviewers, and those who are not. 
I, like you, prefer to do research on the magazine and author before 
deciding how best to reply (or not).

best,
Chipp
Richard Gaskin wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let the flames begin!!

I've been rather surprised by the reaction to the review excerpts posted 
here.  While webmailman had been anonymous (and likely to remain so 
after the flaming), a simple search in the use-rev archives shows at 
least one prior post from that addrerss on a scripting issue.  So it 
seems safe to say Mr. webmailman is a Rev scripter, not a troll.
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Re: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

[James Richards]

Hmmm! Google reveals this to be one of the many PC magazines (UK 
based), and the review is not available online. So for the many non UK 
list members not very accessible - tho I guess it may be posted at some 
time.  In the meantime unless someone else buys the magazine and posts 
their thoughts on the review we are dependent on webmailman's summary 
of the review. Interestingly the same magazine were offering Dreamcard 
as a freebie, I think, with their October issue, but my displacement 
activity tendencies at this time of year didn't push me into following 
that link...

Regards
James
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:47:18 +0100, webmailman wrote:
Do you have a URL for this review, or is it as anonymous as you are?

Hmmm, did you read the whole post? I thought this was a very clear 
reference:

In issue 224 (Christmas 2004), Paul Hudson gives readers his insights 


Also, this citation makes no reference to a URL, because it was not 
taken from a website. I would think if you can figure out 
DreamCard/Revolution, you should most certainly be able to determine 
how and where to find the review from the specific details given.
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Re: DreamCard Review-PCPLUS

[Richard Gaskin]

James Richards wrote:
Hmmm! Google reveals this to be one of the many PC magazines (UK based), 
and the review is not available online. So for the many non UK list 
members not very accessible - tho I guess it may be posted at some 
time.
Their distrubution in the States isn't bad.  I've picked up copies of PC 
Plus and other Future Pubs mags at Borders, Barnes and Noble, and other 
major booksellers and newsstands.

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