ATTN: Marty BillingsleyA

2005-08-21 Thread Judy Perry
Marty ( et al ):

Now that NECC 2005 is an in-the-past kind of thing, do you have any
reports of how it went and/or any online summarization of how your
presentation went?

I'd like to post it for my fellow grads in the MS in Instructional Design
and Technology program

Kindest thanks,

Judy


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Re: Sends getting lost

2005-08-21 Thread Geoff Canyon

Looks good to me.

On Aug 20, 2005, at 10:55 PM, Erik Hansen wrote:


like this?

on mouseUp
  send myHandler to control Thang in 10 secs
end mouseUp

-- in the script of control Thang:

on myHandler
   videoThings
   ...
end myHandler


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Re: Blowing in the Wind

2005-08-21 Thread Geoff Canyon


On Aug 20, 2005, at 10:56 PM, Judy Perry wrote:


Is it just Flash in general or Macromedia products (specifically,
Director) in particular?

I've noticed this as well...

Judy

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Geoff Canyon wrote:



As people have said, Flash can't have shaped windows in the first
place, so this animation is out of consideration. My experience with
Flash movies in general is that they happily take up 100% of my
1.2gHx CPU. Check out the N game for an example:


It's been so long since I ran a Director project, I have no idea.

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Re: Blowing in the Wind

2005-08-21 Thread Judy Perry
Yeah, I understand... but I had to use it for my MS in IDT... and it was
P-A-I-N-F-U-L-L  and E-X-P-E-N-S-I-V-E.. (had to pay $1,000+ for data
recovery).

Colin Holgate from the HC list finally alerted me  that there was a
serious problem with running it under classic that ate up all CPU power...
and made it crash REPEATEDLY... (like, several times per hour)...

My program, of course, thought I was lying...

:(  Didn't make me like Director, obviously... and now makes me hesitant
about Flash (once or twice burned...)

Judy

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Geoff Canyon wrote:


 On Aug 20, 2005, at 10:56 PM, Judy Perry wrote:

  Is it just Flash in general or Macromedia products (specifically,
  Director) in particular?
 
  I've noticed this as well...
 
  Judy
 
  On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Geoff Canyon wrote:
 
 
  As people have said, Flash can't have shaped windows in the first
  place, so this animation is out of consideration. My experience with
  Flash movies in general is that they happily take up 100% of my
  1.2gHx CPU. Check out the N game for an example:

 It's been so long since I ran a Director project, I have no idea.

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Uncomplete Externals SDK Documentation

2005-08-21 Thread Joel Guillod

In the RunRevExternalSDK found at:
http://downloads.runrev.com/resources/externals/revexternalssdk.zip
many features remain undocumented in the Externals stack and the  
other files. I know this has been a recurring and annoying problem  
for many years and that a great step has been made last year in the  
good direction. RunRev is certainly interested to provide all the  
details for developers who are willing to benefit from the whole  
power of the externals. Before filling a bug I would like to get your  
feedback, did I miss something? Is there an other complete  
documentation for externals?


Some of the callback functions not documented or with wrong  
documentation:


GetImageByID
GetImageByNum
mc_xtclose
mc_xtinit
ShowImageById
ShowImageByName
ShowImageByNum
X_close
X_init
X_main_loop
X_set_idle_handler
X_set_idle_rate
X_set_poll_handler
X_set_post_poll_handler
X_set_post_xevent_handler
X_set_pre_xevent_handler
X_set_select_handler

In advance thank you.

Joel G
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Re: [ANN] Animated gif for OSX progress

2005-08-21 Thread Joel Guillod

Thanks for the nice 16x16 24-frame animated gif !

I wonder to know if there is a way in Revolution that animated gif  
are going to be automatically animated during the execution of a  
script. This is in fact the reason of your new 'chasing arrows' to  
show the user that a process is currently running and he should be  
patient.


My solution up to now:
1.- open the animated gif in GraphicConverter
2.- save it as a Quicktime Movie,
3.- add a Player named MyAnim onto your card
4.- in message box type :
   set the filename of player MyAnim to theQuicktimeMovieFilePath
   set the looping of player MyAnim to true
5.- then a script sample during which the animation is displayed:

  on doSomeLongProcess
  show player MyAnim
  start player MyAnim
  here you have some long process to run -- -- change as needed...
  stop player MyAnim
  hide player MyAnim
  end doSomeLongProcess

6.- Of course the animation is not displayed if you set the  
lockscreen to true in your script.


Enjoy and tell me if there is a direct solution with animated gif.

Joel G
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strange message watcher window

2005-08-21 Thread Jon
I'd not used the Message Watcher until this morning.  I was a bit 
surprised to see the Clear button on top of what seemed to be a data 
entry field, and the data entry field lying on top of the Suppress 
button. Am I being too picky, or misunderstanding the UI?


www.jonbondy.com/rev.jpg

:)

Jon

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Re: strange message watcher window

2005-08-21 Thread Pat Trendler

Jon,
Just resize the width (drag) of the window. I think from memory it stays 
put once you've done that.

Not sure if this still happens in the latest build (108).

You can also lose buttons on the script error window if it isn't wide 
enough - fooled me at first.


Pat
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Subject: strange message watcher window


I'd not used the Message Watcher until this morning.  I was a bit 
surprised to see the Clear button on top of what seemed to be a data entry 
field, and the data entry field lying on top of the Suppress button. Am I 
being too picky, or misunderstanding the UI?


www.jonbondy.com/rev.jpg

:)

Jon

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Re: [ANN] Animated gif for OSX progress

2005-08-21 Thread Howard Bornstein
On 8/21/05, Joel Guillod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks for the nice 16x16 24-frame animated gif !
 
 I wonder to know if there is a way in Revolution that animated gif
 are going to be automatically animated during the execution of a
 script. 

When I tested it, the animation ran automatically whenever the gif was
showing. So to use the busy indicator, I just set a transparent
button to the icon of the gif to show it and set the icon to 0 to stop
it.

-- toggle the wait indicator
 if the icon of btn wait is 0 then
set the icon of btn wait to 1004 -- the id of the gif
  else
set the icon of btn wait to 0
  end if

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Simple question: html link in browser opening a Rev Stack?

2005-08-21 Thread david bovill

Been a while since I've done this - can someone help?

From memory there are 1 or 2 things that must be set up for this to  
work properly:


  1. Mime types set up on local machine so that the browser  
recognises stack as something to be opened by Rev
  2. Possibly mime types set on http server - is this only for  
saving file type during download?


From memory I remember a stack that automatically set the default  
browser to do this? Does this stack still exist? What are the cross- 
platform / cross browser issues here - mainly interested in OSX and  
Linux for next week.

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NECC roundup (was ATTN: Marty Billingsley)

2005-08-21 Thread Marty Billingsley
Judy Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Marty ( et al ):

 Now that NECC 2005 is an in-the-past kind of thing, do you have any
 reports of how it went and/or any online summarization of how your
 presentation went?

 I'd like to post it for my fellow grads in the MS in Instructional Design
 and Technology program

Hi Judy (and anyone else who's interested) --

Here's the online blurb about our session:
http://center.uoregon.edu/ISTE/NECC2005/program/search_results_details.php?sessionid=7376008

Basically, each of us got eight minutes to show off our favorite
multimedia authoring tool.  I touted RunRev; others demonstrated Flash,
eZedia, CREATE Together, and Blackspace.

There were about 75 people in the audience; most of them were seeking an
alternative to HyperStudio in the K-8 classroom.  In this environment I
didn't get much chance to show off RR's greatest strength: the easy
scripting language.  I also didn't get much chance to talk about how I use
RR in the classroom: as an introductory programming environment.

I showed a simple informational stack made with RR, which is what many in
the audience will probably want to do or to have their students do.
Based on the geography of Europe, the stack included images, label fields
that show and hide as the user rolls over parts of the map, info fields
and flag images that show up when the user clicks on countries, etc.  It
also included a quiz that deomonstrated the ease of doing random sorting
and using sounds.  Very simple stuff, nothing fancy.

I snuck in a few glimpses of my students' work -- couldn't resist -- to
show some more advanced things RR could create.  My curriculum is
games-based, so many of my students' projects weren't really relevant in
that setting, but they're much cooler than straightforward multimedia
projects.

The audience seemed appreciative, but perhaps a little dazed by so much
information at one time.  (They saw similar presentations on five
different software packages.)  More effective, perhaps, would be a
day-long workshop where participants get an hour of hands-on instruction
in each multimedia environment.  Then they'd really have the background to
choose which software to use in their classroom.

Using RR as a multimedia tool isn't the focus of what I teach students.
Maybe for NECC 2006 I can put together a session on using RR to teach
programming, but don't know if the logistics of a San Diego trip is
feasible. :-)

cheers,
  - marty

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Changing a stack script on the fly and other stuff

2005-08-21 Thread Jason Vickers
This may seem a little complicated.  At least, it does to me  :-P.  Hopefully 
my description is understandable.

I have a stand alone app that clones a stack so users can change and save 
information for later retrieval.  Much of the scripting is put on the stack 
level.  When the stack is cloned, the scripting is cloned.  One of the stack 
scripts is as follows:

on closeStack
  put the short name of this stack into sName
  if sName  mc then 
answer Do you want to save this stack? with yes or no
if it is yes then save this stack as stack myStack
  else
  end if
end if
end closeStack

The first if evaluates if it is the cloned or original stack (I don't want 
them saving to the original).  When the user closes their new stack, it asks 
them if they want to save the information.  This script does exactly what I 
want it to do.  I want the users to be able to repeatedly modify their new 
stack until they are ready to finalize it so that it cannot be changed.  

The users finalize the script from a different stack - a control stack.  The 
name of the user-created stacks are put into a field.  The user can select the 
name of the stack they want to finalize and press a Prepare button.  Here is 
the script for that button:

global selectTest

on mouseUp
  open card 2 stack selectTest
  do hideAll
  do deleteTcard
  do changeScript
end mouseUp

Selecting the appropriate stack name loads it into the global selectTest.  
The unecessary buttons and fields are hidden, and certain cards are removed.  
The scripts are stack level again.  

In order to prevent future saving to this stack, I want to comment out the on 
closeStack portion of the stack script.  The do changeScript portion does 
not comment out the on closeStack of the target card, though.

Here is the on changeScript from the control card:

on changeScript
  put the script of this stack into tempScript
  repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in tempScript
if line i of tempScript = on closeStack then put -- before line i of 
tempScript
  end repeat
  set the script of thisStack to tempScript
  save this stack
end changeScript

As I said, this part of the script doesn't work.  The Revolution documentation 
has a section entitled How do I change a script at runtime?.  There is a 
section for changing a card script.  Can I even do this for a stack script?  I 
don't know if the script I wrote is a viable solution.  I also only commented 
out the on changeScript line.  That doesn't save to the target stack, though.

Any suggestions?

Thanks for any help,
Jason

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Re: Uncomplete Externals SDK Documentation

2005-08-21 Thread Derek Bump

Joel Guillod wrote:

Some of the callback functions not documented or with wrong  documentation:


The SDK's problems actually go a whole lot further than just incomplete 
documentation.  A lot of the callback functions that I wanted to use, 
like GetImageByID, were not even *in* the SDK.  It's been a while 
since I've looked at it, but I believe Alex Tweedly has been working on 
this issue in getting a more complete SDK with all of the functions.



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The television will be Revolutionised! - first coding sprint

2005-08-21 Thread david bovill
  Or should that be The revolution  
will not be Televised?


I am excited to announce the first Revolution coding sprint for the  
new digital television era!  I've just put up a wiki page for those  
of you from the Rev community interested in the project:


http://www.ccproducer.org/ctv/wiki/TvRevolution

A small group of us are going into the mountains of Austria to  
prototype and specify a Revolution based framework for digital  
television production. We will also specify and build a first  
prototype of a cross-platform Rev based app which takes RSS feeds  
from podcasts and video blogs (vlogs) in order to play full screen  
H264 encoded video over the internet (DTV Player).


It will be hopefully the first of several similar sprints taking  
place over the next 3 months resulting an open source distribution  
for TV workflow based on Revolution and a variety of open source  
backend services which we are calling - ccProducer.


The aim is to have this finished together with the DTV Player by the  
end of November this year. Should be a good test of Rev's rapid  
application development. For anyone interested in this project you  
can check out the new Trac and subversion based development wiki:


http://ccproducer.org/ctv/

The video blogging system is to be based on WordPress and can be  
found on the same server at:


http://ccproducer.org/wordpress/

Warning - it's a new server and not everything is installed properly  
yet - we are working on subversion as we speak!


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Digital Signatures and SSL

2005-08-21 Thread david bovill
I need a couple of things from the opnSSL library that i can't find  
in the Rev docs:


1) SHA1 digital signatures
2) AES - why is this not in the list of cypher names?

Thanx in advance (if anyone has a clue :)
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Re: ISAM

2005-08-21 Thread Mark Wieder
Scott-

Saturday, August 20, 2005, 5:55:34 PM, you wrote:

 I need an ISAM methodology to pull it off cleanly.   Man -
 wish I could acees just dBase or Pardox. g

Have you tried ODBC access to dBase files? There are some weirdnesses
with the Paradox driver depending on which version you're using, but
ODBC should work to get to dBase files.

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Re: Uncomplete Externals SDK Documentation

2005-08-21 Thread Mark Wieder
Joel-

Sunday, August 21, 2005, 12:19:31 AM, you wrote:

 feedback, did I miss something? Is there an other complete
 documentation for externals?

Stay tuned.

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Re: Changing a stack script on the fly and other stuff

2005-08-21 Thread Ken Ray
On 8/21/05 9:09 AM, Jason Vickers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In order to prevent future saving to this stack, I want to comment out the on
 closeStack portion of the stack script.

Well, you're going to run into problems with changing scripts at runtime -
there are script limits (10 lines I believe) that you can change from a
standalone, so that's not going to work for you most likely.

Better approach would be to set a custom property in the stack that
identifies whether it can be saved or not. For example, you could set the
uCantSave of a stack to true to prevent the ability of saving the stack
my modifying the closeStack handler as follows:

on closeStack
  put the short name of this stack into sName
  if sName  mc and (the uCantSave of this stack is not true) then
answer Do you want to save this stack? with yes or no
if it is yes then
   save this stack as stack myStack
   set the uCantSave of stack myStack to true
   save stack myStack  -- make the property change permanent
end if
  end if
end closeStack

HTH,

Ken Ray
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Re: Uncomplete Externals SDK Documentation

2005-08-21 Thread Alex Tweedly

Derek Bump wrote:


Joel Guillod wrote:

Some of the callback functions not documented or with wrong  
documentation:



The SDK's problems actually go a whole lot further than just 
incomplete documentation.  A lot of the callback functions that I 
wanted to use, like GetImageByID, were not even *in* the SDK.  It's 
been a while since I've looked at it, but I believe Alex Tweedly has 
been working on this issue in getting a more complete SDK with all of 
the functions.


I hope this isn't starting to sound like Pass the Parcel :-)

No, I'm not able to do much towards a more complete SDK. All I was able 
to do was write up a number of the discrepancies and missing items I 
found, and pass that on to Mark Weider. Mark has been working with some 
of the Rev folks, but I don't know that status or plans. Sorry.


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Re: The television will be Revolutionised! - first coding sprint

2005-08-21 Thread Andre Garzia
Some years ago, I used Rev to code our chromakey based character  
generator for our TV show... it works fine!!! :P


If you're trying to build things for TV I think you should look into  
Trevors Quicktime External which can do some nice tricks with Videos.  
Also if you fell confortable with AppleScript you can then script  
Quartz Composer thus creating a nice presentation full of bells and  
whistles.


beware that you'll not be able to re-encode the vlog feeds in  
realtime, I don't know what kind of video processing app you're  
building, if you're aiming at TV Broadcasting, then you don't need H. 
264. IF you deliver on the web, well, then you don't need realtime =)


good luck


cheers
andre

PS: Ken Ray XML Library makes a good job parsing RSS Feeds, beware of  
spec war, there are at least 3 RSS specs out there in the wild, also  
podcast is not standard yet, videocast is also not a standard... also  
there are ATOM feeds with video links and audio links... irgh!



On Aug 21, 2005, at 11:40 AM, david bovill wrote:

  Or should that be The revolution  
will not be Televised?


I am excited to announce the first Revolution coding sprint for the  
new digital television era!  I've just put up a wiki page for those  
of you from the Rev community interested in the project:


http://www.ccproducer.org/ctv/wiki/TvRevolution

A small group of us are going into the mountains of Austria to  
prototype and specify a Revolution based framework for digital  
television production. We will also specify and build a first  
prototype of a cross-platform Rev based app which takes RSS feeds  
from podcasts and video blogs (vlogs) in order to play full screen  
H264 encoded video over the internet (DTV Player).


It will be hopefully the first of several similar sprints taking  
place over the next 3 months resulting an open source distribution  
for TV workflow based on Revolution and a variety of open source  
backend services which we are calling - ccProducer.


The aim is to have this finished together with the DTV Player by  
the end of November this year. Should be a good test of Rev's rapid  
application development. For anyone interested in this project you  
can check out the new Trac and subversion based development wiki:


http://ccproducer.org/ctv/

The video blogging system is to be based on WordPress and can be  
found on the same server at:


http://ccproducer.org/wordpress/

Warning - it's a new server and not everything is installed  
properly yet - we are working on subversion as we speak!


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Re: Blowing in the Wind

2005-08-21 Thread Scott Rossi
 As people have said, Flash can't have shaped windows in the first
 place, so this animation is out of consideration. My experience with
 Flash movies in general is that they happily take up 100% of my
 1.2gHx CPU.

Recently, Judy Perry  wrote:

 Is it just Flash in general or Macromedia products (specifically,
 Director) in particular?
 
 I've noticed this as well...

As far as shaped windows goes, the above is not true.  I've believe I've
seen at least two 3rd party products that allow you to apply a window mask
to a projector (standalone).

In terms of processor use, I think it depends on the content.

But it's not just Macromedia.  Even some of Adobe's products such as
Photoshop do things behind the scenes that can bog down your system.  This
is very irritating given that product in particular is for manipulating
images and has nothing to do with video/motion etc.

(Due to the past hostility between the two companies, we used to joke that
Adobe and Macromedia had CPD's -- Competitive Product Detectors -- written
into their software that would cause the system to slow down if they
detected any of their competitor's products running simultaneously.)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design
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Re: Changing a stack script on the fly and other stuff

2005-08-21 Thread Jason Vickers

Ken,
Thanks for that suggestion.  The original script you gave me didn't work 
(maybe it waasn't supposed to, though), but I did modify it to look for a 
value in a hidden field [ if sName  mc and (field trial card 1  
nosave) then ].  Using the control card, I added a line to set the field 
trial to nosave.  That solved the problem.


Had it not been for your suggestion, I would have sat here staring blankly 
at my screen for hours.  I am fairly new to Revolution and fear that most of 
my scripting looks like Frankenstein's monster...


Anyway, thanks again for the suggestion; it set me on the right path to 
solving the problem.


Jason


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Subject: Re: Changing a stack script on the fly and other stuff



On 8/21/05 9:09 AM, Jason Vickers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In order to prevent future saving to this stack, I want to comment out 
the on

closeStack portion of the stack script.


Well, you're going to run into problems with changing scripts at runtime -
there are script limits (10 lines I believe) that you can change from a
standalone, so that's not going to work for you most likely.

Better approach would be to set a custom property in the stack that
identifies whether it can be saved or not. For example, you could set the
uCantSave of a stack to true to prevent the ability of saving the 
stack

my modifying the closeStack handler as follows:

on closeStack
 put the short name of this stack into sName
 if sName  mc and (the uCantSave of this stack is not true) then
   answer Do you want to save this stack? with yes or no
   if it is yes then
  save this stack as stack myStack
  set the uCantSave of stack myStack to true
  save stack myStack  -- make the property change permanent
   end if
 end if
end closeStack

HTH,

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Re: Uncomplete Externals SDK Documentation

2005-08-21 Thread Mark Wieder
Derek-

Sunday, August 21, 2005, 7:13:17 AM, you wrote:

 The SDK's problems actually go a whole lot further than just incomplete
 documentation.  A lot of the callback functions that I wanted to use,
 like GetImageByID, were not even *in* the SDK.  It's been a while 
 since I've looked at it, but I believe Alex Tweedly has been working on
 this issue in getting a more complete SDK with all of the functions.

Nope - can't blame Alex for that one. GetImageByID was a result of a
combination of wishful thinking and cut-and-paste. No such animal.
What I really meant was ShowImageByID, which *is* an actual
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Re: strange message watcher window

2005-08-21 Thread Mark Wieder
Jon-

Sunday, August 21, 2005, 4:52:21 AM, you wrote:

 button. Am I being too picky, or misunderstanding the UI?

Neither, I think. It's weird. Very weird.

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Re: strange message watcher window

2005-08-21 Thread Mark Wieder
Pat-

Sunday, August 21, 2005, 5:19:50 AM, you wrote:

 You can also lose buttons on the script error window if it isn't wide
 enough - fooled me at first.

Still fools me now and then.

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ANN: Some routines for Spotlight

2005-08-21 Thread Andre Garzia

Folks,

Since I started using MacOS X Tiger, I became very fond of Spotlight  
since it reminds me of BFS.


Spotlight has support for very advanced queries using nested boolean  
logic and cool metadata filters but those features are not exposed in  
the normal spotlight ui. To access those functions you need to code  
your query using Objective-C or use command line tools.


By the use of shell() command we can harvest most of the spotlight  
power by calling commandline tools, the spotlight command line tools  
start with md (from metadata).


More can be learned from the Ars Technica Tiger review at: http:// 
arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars/9


So, I took some time to create some functions that we can use to  
harvest those powers and they are below:


function mdfind pQuery
  -- This one find matching files based on a given query.
  return shell(mdfind  pQuery)
end mdfind

function mdls pQuery
  -- Returns a chunk with all Metadata info for a given file.
  return shell(mdls  pQuery)
end mdls

function MetadataToArray pQuery
  -- Takes the metadata chunk and turns it into an Array.
  -- This is easier to access than the chunk.
  -- There are some extra steps to erase extra spaces.
  local tTempA, tReturnValA
  put mdls(pQuery) into tTempA
  split tTempA by cr and =
  repeat for each line tKey in the keys of tTempA
get offset( , tKey)
get char 1 to (it - 1) of tKey
put tTempA[tKey] into tReturnValA[it]
  end repeat
  return tReturnValA
end MetadataToArray

function mdimport pFile
  -- forces reindexing on a given file, use it after you change its  
metadata.

  -- we all know that the kernel hooks should make this useless but...
  return shell(mdimport  pFile)
end mdimport



Have fun friends
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Re: [ANN] Animated gif for OSX progress

2005-08-21 Thread FlexibleLearning
 
You are most welcome, Joel.
 
And Howard, you are not actually stopping the  animation which continues in 
the background. As in the original posting and  repeated when uploaded to ssBk 
Online, set the repeatCount of the image ID to -1  to start the animation and 
0 to stop it.
 
 

/H
 
 
 

On 8/21/05, Joel Guillod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks for the nice 16x16 24-frame animated gif !
 
 I wonder to  know if there is a way in Revolution that animated gif
 are going to be  automatically animated during the execution of a
 script. 

When I  tested it, the animation ran automatically whenever the gif was
showing. So  to use the busy indicator, I just set a transparent
button to the icon of  the gif to show it and set the icon to 0 to stop
it.


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Re: The television will be Revolutionised! - first coding sprint

2005-08-21 Thread Mark Wieder
Andre-

Sunday, August 21, 2005, 9:48:17 AM, you wrote:

 PS: Ken Ray XML Library makes a good job parsing RSS Feeds, beware of
 spec war, there are at least 3 RSS specs out there in the wild, also

Five, if you don't count 0.93 or the Metalog API... in chronological
order (although all are in current use and there's quite a bit of
overlap and/or incompatibility):

0.90
0.91
1.0
0.92
0.93
Metalog API
2.0

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Re: The television will be Revolutionised! - first coding sprint

2005-08-21 Thread Andre Garzia


On Aug 21, 2005, at 2:57 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:


Andre-

Sunday, August 21, 2005, 9:48:17 AM, you wrote:



PS: Ken Ray XML Library makes a good job parsing RSS Feeds, beware of
spec war, there are at least 3 RSS specs out there in the wild, also



Five, if you don't count 0.93 or the Metalog API... in chronological
order (although all are in current use and there's quite a bit of
overlap and/or incompatibility):

0.90
0.91
1.0
0.92
0.93
Metalog API
2.0



don't know who said it but

the cool thing about standards is that there are many to choose from

Cheers
andre


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Rich Interface Examples For FileMaker Folks

2005-08-21 Thread Todd Geist
Hello Everyone,

I am going to be demonstrating Rev to a bunch of FileMaker Pro developers at
the FileMaker Developer's Conference and I am looking for some example
stacks that would get them fired up.

I want to show them something that they can't easily do in FM and really
plays to Rev's strengths.  So I was thinking of a very rich UI that
displayed some data from an ODBC backend in an interesting way.  Something
like a clickable chart (Pie, Bar, or Gantt) or a weekly calendar.

I have a few things I am working on, but I was wondering if anybody had
anything that they would be willing to share with me.  It can be fairly
simple, a clickable Bar chart would do it probably.  But the cooler the ui
the better.  Are there any pie chart examples out there? Or Gant charts?

Of course I would be happy to give credit where credit is due.  There will
be about 1200 attendees at the conference, I don't know how many will show
up for my session, but the rooms hold about 2 to 3 hundred people.

Any idea's??

Thanks so much

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Re: ANN: Some routines for Spotlight

2005-08-21 Thread Andre Garzia

Yves,

I am trying here with accents and special chars... it appears that  
mdfind returns a mixed string.  Like I have this file called çedilha  
(which is wrong portuguese, but serves right for our experiments).  
mdfind will return a string using with the ç encoded in what I think  
is more than two bytes and the rest of the filename in good plain  
text. So using uniDecode to reduce from twobytes representation will  
screw the rest of the filename, using uniEncode to put the rest of  
the string up to two bytes will also not work for it will re-encode  
the special chars...


I am a little lost too, need more expert help.

Andre




On Aug 21, 2005, at 3:58 PM, Yves COPPE wrote:



Le 21-août-05 à 19:53, Andre Garzia a écrit :



Folks,

Since I started using MacOS X Tiger, I became very fond of  
Spotlight since it reminds me of BFS.


Spotlight has support for very advanced queries using nested  
boolean logic and cool metadata filters but those features are not  
exposed in the normal spotlight ui. To access those functions you  
need to code your query using Objective-C or use command line tools.


By the use of shell() command we can harvest most of the spotlight  
power by calling commandline tools, the spotlight command line  
tools start with md (from metadata).





Hi Andre,


I have a little problem with your function.

In Mac OS X French you have accent, umlaut, cedilla,...

so my script :

 put mdfind(tSearch) into tmp
gives unreadable result

so I've tried :

 put urldecode(tmp) into tmp

 put isotomac(tmp) into tmp


but it stays unreadable


when you ask for the detailed fiiles and urldecode the result, then  
are the lines readable.



How can I perform that ?

Thank you


Greetings.

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Re: Rich Interface Examples For FileMaker Folks

2005-08-21 Thread Dan Shafer

Todd

What's the timing? I've got an old project that does something fairly  
cool: it places house icons on a map to reflect data in a database  
showing new housing starts and then lets the user drill down to the  
stats. I haven't tried to convert it to Rev but I've been tempted. If  
there's enough time that might get me going on it.



On Aug 21, 2005, at 10:58 AM, Todd Geist wrote:


Hello Everyone,

I am going to be demonstrating Rev to a bunch of FileMaker Pro  
developers at

the FileMaker Developer's Conference and I am looking for some example
stacks that would get them fired up.




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Re: ANN: Some routines for Spotlight

2005-08-21 Thread Yves COPPE


Le 21-août-05 à 19:53, Andre Garzia a écrit :


Folks,

Since I started using MacOS X Tiger, I became very fond of  
Spotlight since it reminds me of BFS.


Spotlight has support for very advanced queries using nested  
boolean logic and cool metadata filters but those features are not  
exposed in the normal spotlight ui. To access those functions you  
need to code your query using Objective-C or use command line tools.


By the use of shell() command we can harvest most of the spotlight  
power by calling commandline tools, the spotlight command line  
tools start with md (from metadata).



Hi Andre,


I have a little problem with your function.

In Mac OS X French you have accent, umlaut, cedilla,...

so my script :

 put mdfind(tSearch) into tmp
gives unreadable result

so I've tried :

 put urldecode(tmp) into tmp

 put isotomac(tmp) into tmp


but it stays unreadable


when you ask for the detailed fiiles and urldecode the result, then  
are the lines readable.



How can I perform that ?

Thank you


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
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Re: ANN: Some routines for Spotlight

2005-08-21 Thread Yves COPPE


Le 21-août-05 à 21:20, Andre Garzia a écrit :


Yves,

I am trying here with accents and special chars... it appears that  
mdfind returns a mixed string.  Like I have this file called  
çedilha (which is wrong portuguese, but serves right for our  
experiments). mdfind will return a string using with the ç encoded  
in what I think is more than two bytes and the rest of the filename  
in good plain text. So using uniDecode to reduce from twobytes  
representation will screw the rest of the filename, using uniEncode  
to put the rest of the string up to two bytes will also not work  
for it will re-encode the special chars...


I am a little lost too, need more expert help.

Andre




Hi Andre,

I'm happy to see that the problem does exist, non only on my computer.

So I'm sure someone on the list will find the correction.


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
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Re: ISAM

2005-08-21 Thread Richard Gaskin

Scott Kane wrote:
 If your product is on the net anyway... Create as many MySQL 
databases you need from a full service web host such as Dreamhost for 
$10/month. No maintenance, no fees, dead simple management.



Thanks for the reply, but it's a desktop application.
I need an ISAM methodology to pull it off cleanly.   Man -
wish I could acees just dBase or Pardox. g


I believe both of them offer an ODBM interface, as does Rev.

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Re: The television will be Revolutionised! - first coding sprint

2005-08-21 Thread Ken Norris

Hi David,


Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:40:08 +0200
From: david bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: The television will be Revolutionised! - first coding sprint



It will be hopefully the first of several similar sprints taking
place over the next 3 months


Looks fascinating, but I've never heard of the word 'sprint' used this 
way. Exactly what does it mean as you are using it?


TIA,
Ken N.

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Re: The television will be Revolutionised! - first coding sprint

2005-08-21 Thread Andre Garzia


On Aug 21, 2005, at 4:27 PM, Ken Norris wrote:


Hi David,



Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:40:08 +0200
From: david bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: The television will be Revolutionised! - first coding sprint





It will be hopefully the first of several similar sprints taking
place over the next 3 months



Looks fascinating, but I've never heard of the word 'sprint' used  
this way. Exactly what does it mean as you are using it?




Well here in Brazil we use the word sprint to mean desesperatly  
running in one direction. like I regard that there are two ways of  
running, you can run to someplace or you can run from some thing. So  
some weeks ago, when some very creative brazilian almost hammed me  
over with his pickup truck and after me cursing him by being a bad  
driver, he stopped his car and went out carrying a very big pistol, I  
entered sprint mode or run for your life mode and manage to run  
more than a km in less than two minutes...


That's how I classify sprints. Code sprints are similar in the  
analogy that you code as if your life depended on that...


:P
Andre



TIA,
Ken N.

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Re: [ANN] Animated gif for OSX progress

2005-08-21 Thread Howard Bornstein
On 8/21/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 And Howard, you are not actually stopping the  animation which continues in
 the background. As in the original posting and  repeated when uploaded to ssBk
 Online, set the repeatCount of the image ID to -1  to start the animation and
 0 to stop it.
 


Right. I realize that. How much of a performance hit do you think we
take for keeping that little animation running all the time?

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Re: Rich Interface Examples For FileMaker Folks

2005-08-21 Thread Hershel Fisch
On 8/21/05 2:49 PM, Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just whatch out that they shouldn't show you things that Rev can't
do,memorizing printing settings.

 Todd
 
 What's the timing? I've got an old project that does something fairly
 cool: it places house icons on a map to reflect data in a database
 showing new housing starts and then lets the user drill down to the
 stats. I haven't tried to convert it to Rev but I've been tempted. If
 there's enough time that might get me going on it.
 
 
 On Aug 21, 2005, at 10:58 AM, Todd Geist wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I am going to be demonstrating Rev to a bunch of FileMaker Pro
 developers at
 the FileMaker Developer's Conference and I am looking for some example
 stacks that would get them fired up.
 
 
 
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 http://www.shafermedia.com
 Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought
 From http://www.revolutionpros.com, Click My Stuff
 
 
 
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Re: Blowing in the Wind

2005-08-21 Thread Dan Shafer
And now they are to be one company. I shudder. I'm thinking of  
abandoning Mac and Windows and becoming a Linspire guy who doesn't  
depend at all on software megaliths like these clowns (Adobe), who  
have from the beginning played like bullies on the playground.



On Aug 21, 2005, at 9:49 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

(Due to the past hostility between the two companies, we used to  
joke that
Adobe and Macromedia had CPD's -- Competitive Product Detectors --  
written

into their software that would cause the system to slow down if they
detected any of their competitor's products running simultaneously.)





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Re: ANN: Some routines for Spotlight

2005-08-21 Thread Thierry Arbellot

Yves, Andre,

I don't have Tiger to test mdfind, but if I understand well the 
problem, OS X filenames are UTF8 encoded.
The following function will convert from UTF8 to ANSI, just replace 
thefilename with the actual string to decode.

put unidecode(uniencode(thefilename,utf8),ansi)

I hope this helps,
Thierry

On 2005, Aug 21, , at 21:28, Yves COPPE wrote:



Le 21-août-05 à 21:20, Andre Garzia a écrit :


Yves,

I am trying here with accents and special chars... it appears that 
mdfind returns a mixed string.  Like I have this file called çedilha 
(which is wrong portuguese, but serves right for our experiments). 
mdfind will return a string using with the ç encoded in what I think 
is more than two bytes and the rest of the filename in good plain 
text. So using uniDecode to reduce from twobytes representation will 
screw the rest of the filename, using uniEncode to put the rest of 
the string up to two bytes will also not work for it will re-encode 
the special chars...


I am a little lost too, need more expert help.

Andre




Hi Andre,

I'm happy to see that the problem does exist, non only on my computer.

So I'm sure someone on the list will find the correction.


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
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Re: [ANN] Animated gif for OSX progress

2005-08-21 Thread FlexibleLearning
 And Howard, you are not actually  stopping the  animation which continues 
in
 the background. As  in the original posting and  repeated when uploaded to 
ssBk
  Online, set the repeatCount of the image ID to -1  to start the animation 
 and
 0 to stop it.

 Right. I realize that. How much of a  performance hit do you think we
 take for keeping that little animation  running all the time?


Probably not a great deal, Howard, but for the  sake of a simple line 
probably a tidier solution.

/H  

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Re: The television will be Revolutionised! - first coding sprint

2005-08-21 Thread Alex Tweedly

Ken Norris wrote:




Subject: The television will be Revolutionised! - first coding sprint




It will be hopefully the first of several similar sprints taking
place over the next 3 months



Looks fascinating, but I've never heard of the word 'sprint' used this 
way. Exactly what does it mean as you are using it?



sprint in this sense is fairly common usage in the Open Source 
software area.
Which means, of course, that each group is free to define exactly what 
*they* mean, and so each usage of it is slightly different.


Best on-line definition I found was
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plone_Sprints

There's a little bit of discussion about how it works (or worked for one 
group) at 
http://www.lonelylion.com/pipermail/chipy/2004-September/000377.html


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Re: strange message watcher window

2005-08-21 Thread Jon
Oh.  I gave up on the script error window.  It is NEVER the right size.  
Sigh


Jon


Pat Trendler wrote:


Jon,
Just resize the width (drag) of the window. I think from memory it 
stays put once you've done that.

Not sure if this still happens in the latest build (108).

You can also lose buttons on the script error window if it isn't wide 
enough - fooled me at first.


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I'd not used the Message Watcher until this morning.  I was a bit 
surprised to see the Clear button on top of what seemed to be a data 
entry field, and the data entry field lying on top of the Suppress 
button. Am I being too picky, or misunderstanding the UI?


www.jonbondy.com/rev.jpg

:)

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Re: The television will be Revolutionised! - first coding

2005-08-21 Thread Ken Norris

Hi Andre,


Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:33:46 -0300
From: Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The television will be Revolutionised! - first coding
sprint



Well here in Brazil we use the word sprint to mean desesperatly
running in one direction.


Heh -- well, Here in the US it could be a dash, i.e., a short race, or 
it could be a verb, e.g., the act (like you say) of running as fast as 
you can for a short distance, or it could be a well known long distance 
carrier:  http://www.sprint.com/


Code sprints are similar in the analogy that you code as if your life 
depended on that...


Well, if it had to do with emergency services, maybe. But is that what 
it really means?


I've looked at some sites, and it looks like it's some kind of meeting, 
or contest (I see scoring at some) where people go and see how fast 
they can write programs, e.g., extreme programming (whatever_that_ 
means). Or is it just brainstorming ideas?


Still not sure what it is.but it doesn't look like something I'd be 
interested in. I'm waaay too lazy, like to spend lotsa time working on 
ideas, but as little effort as possible to make them work ;-)


All the best,
Ken N.

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Re: Rich Interface Examples For FileMaker Folks

2005-08-21 Thread Todd Geist
Dan,

Thanks! That sounds awesome!

 But Probably not enough time.  My presentation is a week from tomorrow.
Nothing like waiting for the last minute to get the juices flowing. :)

But hey if you have the time, I would love to see it!

Thanks again!
 
Todd

On 8/21/05 11:49 AM, Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Todd
 
 What's the timing? I've got an old project that does something fairly
 cool: it places house icons on a map to reflect data in a database
 showing new housing starts and then lets the user drill down to the
 stats. I haven't tried to convert it to Rev but I've been tempted. If
 there's enough time that might get me going on it.

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Re: time anomaly

2005-08-21 Thread Jim Ault
You should test this first.
My test have a slightly different 'result'

 So I could say that appointment is at 2PM, convert it to a date and
 time, and have it come up with today at 2PM. Or 54 would be the
 time right now with the seconds equal to 54.
54 is the seconds, but not (time right now), just the (right HOUR now).
Not sure how useful that is.

put 54 into tTime
convert tTime to long time
put tTime  -- 16:00:54  until the next hour starts

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 8/20/05 9:34 AM, Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jeanne-
 
 Friday, August 19, 2005, 7:28:40 PM, you wrote:
 
 Actually, it's not indeterminate. When you provide a number or other
 partial date or time, convert guesses what part you mean and fills in
 the rest with the current time. (For example, if you convert a time
 to long data and long time, you get today's date along with the time
 you specified.) This probably should be in the convert docs as a note.
 
 Cool.
 I think.
 So I could say that appointment is at 2PM, convert it to a date and
 time, and have it come up with today at 2PM. Or 54 would be the
 time right now with the seconds equal to 54.


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RE: ISAM

2005-08-21 Thread Scott Kane
Hi Sichard,


 I believe both of them offer an ODBM interface, as does Rev.

Any idea where I can find them for Windows and Mac?
I've been looking evrywhere for them  ODBC
drivers in OSX require a Microsoft product to be
installed (on Windows they are installed by default).

Any ideas appreciated

Scott


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Re: Rich Interface Examples For FileMaker Folks

2005-08-21 Thread Chipp Walters

Hi Todd,

You are welcome to show any of the following:

MagicCarpet
ButtonGaget
HemPC (uses a SQLserver database for Content Management)

You can find them at www.altuit.com

contact me offlist if you need any help.

best,

Chipp
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General Intersect

2005-08-21 Thread Roger Guay

Greetings,

I would like to find a simple way to determine if a button target  
intersects with any other button on the card.  Is there a way to script:



 if intersect(button target, any other  
button) then do something




I appreciate your help.

Cheers, Roger


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Re: General Intersect

2005-08-21 Thread TJ Frame
You can use the intersect function built into the language.
 - TJ

 On 8/21/05, Roger Guay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 Greetings,
 
 I would like to find a simple way to determine if a button target
 intersects with any other button on the card. Is there a way to script:
 
 
 if intersect(button target, any other
 button) then do something
 
 
 
 I appreciate your help.
 
 Cheers, Roger
 
 
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Re: General Intersect

2005-08-21 Thread TJ Frame
PS: that works to check specific objects, if you want to test for a series 
of objects, such as all buttons, use a repeat loop and cycle through your 
list of potential targets for a hit.

On 8/21/05, TJ Frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 You can use the intersect function built into the language.
  - TJ
 
  On 8/21/05, Roger Guay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  
  Greetings,
  
  I would like to find a simple way to determine if a button target
  intersects with any other button on the card. Is there a way to script: 
  
  
  if intersect(button target, any other
  button) then do something
  
  
  
  I appreciate your help.
  
  Cheers, Roger
  
  
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[ANN] ReplaceText Bug and STS XML Library

2005-08-21 Thread Ken Ray
-- IF YOU DON'T USE THE SONS OF THUNDER XML LIBRARY
-- YOU CAN IGNORE THIS POST

Hey everyone... I'm sorry to shotgun this email, but I know that there are
dozens of you who have downloaded the Basic version of my XML Library, and
many who have purchased the Standard version, so this is the fastest way to
communicate with you all.

I have recently logged a bug in Bugzilla (#3074) related to Rev 2.6 (I'm
running Build 108) that has a replacetext problem that causes issues with
the XML Library (since that's what it's based on).

The 'xml_normalize' function in the library strips spaces from a string
(leading and trailing spaces) as well as converting space runs to a single
space. The command:

  put replaceText(Thisisatest, *, )

in 2.5.1 would return This is a test. But in 2.6 Build 108, it returns
(3 spaces). Apparently it is successful in converting the space runs
to a single space, but at the same time deletes all non-space characters
from the string.

This totally screws up the XML Library since this function is called not
only when you pass parameters that say you want the information normalized
(which you can get around by passing false for the normalize param), but
it is *also* called automatically by xml_storeAttribute and
xml_getAttributes - which are called in turn by other XML handlers,
including the *main parsing routine*.

So unfortunately, you can't use the XML Library with confidence in Rev 2.6
(2.5.1 is fine) until this is fixed.

Note that this does NOT affect the revXML DLL, so you may wish to switch to
the revXML DLL in the meantime.

The reason I'm posting this is because I'm concerned that those of you using
the XML Library may be dealing with what you think are bugs in your own
program, but which are actually a result of this replaceText bug.

I'll keep you all posted when things change,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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RE: ISAM

2005-08-21 Thread Scott Kane
 Hi Sichard,

Sorry - I meant Richard, not Sichard.  :-(

Scott


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Re: ISAM

2005-08-21 Thread Richard Gaskin

Scott Kane wrote:

Hi Sichard,



Sorry - I meant Richard, not Sichard.  :-(


That's okay, I meant OBDC and not OBDM. :)


Any idea where I can find them for Windows and Mac?
I've been looking evrywhere for them  ODBC
drivers in OSX require a Microsoft product to be
installed (on Windows they are installed by default).


Unfortunately I don't know where to find such things.  I spend a fair 
part of my life sucessfully avoiding database work, and would hate to 
break that record now. :)


Hopefully someone here who's worked with ODBC will be able to help out

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Re: Blowing in the Wind

2005-08-21 Thread Alejandro Tejada
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Geoff Canyon wrote:

 As people have said, Flash can't have shaped windows

 in the first place, so this animation is out of 
 consideration.

Look at this option to have custom
shape windows in flash: mProjector.

http://www.screentime.com/faqs/mProjector/index.html

Visit my site:
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/



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