Database or large text file processing??

[Ian Leigh]

Hello again!

I wish to retrieve details about a particular file which are held in  
a text file, fairly large at about 264000 lines. The file contains  
details about many files but I only need to retrieve one file at a  
time. I am wondering about the best way to deal with this. The text  
file is set out in such a way that the filename is found first (with  
a specific character) and the information about follows. It is always  
in the same format but obviously some have more text than others (is  
this making sense) so there aren't specific field lengths etc..


I could try and bring that file in and use arrays I suppose but I  
don't know what effect that would have on performance and filesize. I  
don't know anything about using databases with rev but I wonder if  
using them would be a more elegant solution. I don't want to have to  
import the text file every time the program is run and the text file  
itself is subject to occasional updating. This led me to think that  
just search through the text file itself might make it a bit more  
robust but I could do with some advice about which way to go.


Thanks all!


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Re: Database or large text file processing??

[Alex Tweedly]

Ian Leigh wrote:



I wish to retrieve details about a particular file which are held in  
a text file, fairly large at about 264000 lines. The file contains  
details about many files but I only need to retrieve one file at a  
time. I am wondering about the best way to deal with this. The text  
file is set out in such a way that the filename is found first (with  
a specific character) and the information about follows. It is always  
in the same format but obviously some have more text than others (is  
this making sense) so there aren't specific field lengths etc..



So I take it your file looks something like
+ 
info about filename1
which can be guaranteed to not contain any plus signs
because that's the "specific character" you mention
+ 
with not much info
+  etc.

And each time the program is run, you get a filename (from the user) and 
on;y want the info on that one file.

Is that close enough to an accurate description ?

I could try and bring that file in and use arrays I suppose but I  
don't know what effect that would have on performance and filesize. 


You might need, or want, arrays in other languages, but don't need them 
in Rev for this kind of thing.


I  don't know anything about using databases with rev but I wonder if  
using them would be a more elegant solution. 


Don't see anything there that needs a database.

I don't want to have to  import the text file every time the program 
is run and the text file  itself is subject to occasional updating. 
This led me to think that  just search through the text file itself 
might make it a bit more  robust but I could do with some advice about 
which way to go.


You'll want to read the file each time (to deal with the updating 
issue). But it will be really, really quick.


I don't think 240K lines (say < 10M) should be a problem reading into a 
variable in Rev, so I'd recommend (at least as a first try), something like


Here's a little script I tried out


on mouseUp
  local tInfo, tFile, tCatalog
  answer file "Specify a catalog file"
  put it into tCatalog
  put fld "Input" into tFile
  put getFileInfo(tCatalog, tFile) into tInfo
  put tInfo into fld "Field"
end mouseUp

function getFileInfo pCatalog, pFile
  local tAlldata, tStart, tEnd
  put URL ("file:" & pCatalog) into tAllData
 
  put lineoffset("+ " & pFile, tAllData) into tStart

  if tStart = 0 then
-- file not found
return "file " & pFile & " not found"
  end if
  put lineOffset("+", tAllData, tStart) into tEnd
  if tEnd = 0 then
put -1 into tEnd
  else
put tStart + tEnd -1 into tEnd
  end if
  return line tSTart to tEnd of tAllData
end getFileInfo


and it retrieves the info in < 1 second on a 242439 line file (finding a 
file about 100 lines from the end).


Hope that gives you some ideas ...

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HELP ! Menuscripting, disapearing items

[Kresten Bjerg]

Hi
(previous message was strangely abbreviated on the list, so I  resubmit):
I have had strange troubles trying to implement a primitive text-menu in the 
menus  of a highly elaborated stack. It shall contain basic styles: plain. 
bold,italic and underline, + fonts, sizes and colors. I have suceeded in 
implementing the  last three. in an item 1 / item 2 format, - and adding the 4 
styles separately: plain,bold,italic,underline/ both before and after the three 
other groups, - in such a way that all have been functioning for a few hours. 
But suddenly the styles items disappear, and only the three groups remains. I 
have tried to re-use elements of the revMenus (all too complex)  text-menu  
script, but the same vanishing occured. Can somebody supply a stable script to 
use in the menu-builders editor, for such a relatively simple menu ?
P.S. I am grateful for the fine advices I have received from this group, to 
previous questions
Kresten Bjerg
(www.psy.ku.dk/bjerg)

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HELP:HELP:Menuitems disappear,postings castrated

[Kresten Bjerg]

Hi
(previous message was strangely abbreviated on the list, so I  resubmitted it, 
but it was again castrated):
I have had strange troubles trying to implement a primitive text-menu in the 
menus  of a highly elaborated stack. It shall contain basic styles: plain. 
bold,italic and underline, + fonts, sizes and colors. I have suceeded in 
implementing the  last three. in an item 1 / item 2 format, - and adding the 4 
styles separately: plain,bold,italic,underline/ both before and after the three 
other groups, - in such a way that all have been functioning for a few hours. 
But suddenly the styles items disappear, and only the three groups remains. I 
have tried to re-use elements of the revMenus (all too complex)  text-menu  
script, but the same vanishing occured. Can somebody supply a stable script to 
use in the menu-builders editor, for such a relatively simple menu ?
P.S. I am grateful for the fine advices I have received from this group, to 
previous questions
Kresten Bjerg
(www.psy.ku.dk/bjerg)
 I try re-copying the "censored" lines:
. It shall contain basic styles: plain. bold,italic and underline, + fonts, 
sizes and colors. I have suceeded in implementing the  last three. in an item 1 
/ item 2 format, - and adding the 4 styles separately: 
plain,bold,italic,underline/ both before and after the three other groups, - in 
such a way that all have been functioning for a few hours. But suddenly the 
styles items disappear, and only the three groups remains. I have tried to 
re-use elements of the revMenus (all too complex)  text-menu  script, but the 
same vanishing occured. Can somebody supply a stable script to use in the 
menu-builders editor, for such a relatively simple menu ?
Hope some of this may get through
Kresten


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QT version on Windows

[sims]

In order to use QTVersion on Windows it seems that Rev loads QuickTime.

Once it is loaded, you cannot set dontUseQT to true.

I want to check for QT 7 on a Windows machine and if it is available use
QT 7 to play some video - if it is not available, play a wmv version 
of the video instead.


But if the user has QuickTime available BUT not QT 7 and you check 
for QT version, you are stuck with

QT being loaded!

Anyone know how to check for the QuickTime version on a Windows machine
without using QTVersion?

ciao,
sims
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ALCY (Beginner )> Auto Indentation/ Default font / Tab Pannel / Date functions

[Alcy]

Hi all,
I am still a beginner and have a series of questions:
1- How can I stop the automatic indentation of the code?  I find it 
rather cahotic and I would rather take care of it myself, I personally 
prefer no identation but I use a certain amount of # characters to mark 
the blocks such as  if/end if...

eg:
# Do this for now ###
if ..
done here
end if
###
This method is much clearer for me and keeps the maximum length 
available for the code and practically, it saves a lot of time..


2- How can I set the default size of the text and font of new buttons? 
Looks like the default settings of my preferences is not taken into 
account for new buttons Text/size properties. At the moment I copy and 
paste existing buttons but there must be some default settings I have 
missed somewhere right?


3- Tab pannel: How does it work? At the moment when I click on a tab of 
the "Tab pannel" it shows as selected, however what is the property 
recording the tab which has been clicked? (the label stays empty) Also 
it looks like it doesn't handle the navigation in long lists, has 
someone done a routine to navigate in a list of menus and display the 
list in a tab pannel?


thanks in advance for your help :)
By the way, the advice I have received to prevent crashes have worked, 
the list of potentially dangerous actions should be in the user manual, 
at the start ;-)  We can handle our weaknesses better once we know them. 
And, a day of work to recover might cost more than Rev sometimes..(I now 
save the main stack under several names regularly)


Alcy

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RE: ALCY (Beginner )> Auto Indentation/ Default font / Tab Pannel / Date functions

[MisterX]

Hi Alcy
> 
> Hi all,
> I am still a beginner and have a series of questions:
> 1- How can I stop the automatic indentation of the code?  I 
> find it rather cahotic and I would rather take care of it 
> myself, I personally prefer no identation but I use a certain 
> amount of # characters to mark the blocks such as  if/end if...
> eg:
> # Do this for now ###
> if ..
> done here
> end if
> ###
> This method is much clearer for me and keeps the maximum 
> length available for the code and practically, it saves a lot 
> of time..

go to preferences and click on script editor and then on the 
auto-format button.

> 2- How can I set the default size of the text and font of new 
> buttons? 
> Looks like the default settings of my preferences is not 
> taken into account for new buttons Text/size properties. At 
> the moment I copy and paste existing buttons but there must 
> be some default settings I have missed somewhere right?

I was going to tell that to Rev about a year ago but nobody seemed to listen
so im working on it on my own... I don't know if others have done the
same...

My method is not finished though...

Although, there is a simple method... just create your buttons and set the
stack's font properties to the default you want... It's that simple...

> 3- Tab pannel: How does it work? At the moment when I click 
> on a tab of the "Tab pannel" it shows as selected, however 
> what is the property recording the tab which has been 
> clicked? (the label stays empty) Also it looks like it 
> doesn't handle the navigation in long lists, has someone done 
> a routine to navigate in a list of menus and display the list 
> in a tab pannel?

Tabs work like menus. You put the lines you want into it's content (put the
menulinestext into btn "tabmenu". 

use a menupick handler to detect what was selected. You'll find plenty of
examples on revonline. 

The basic script goes like this:

on menupick newitem, olditem
  go card newitem
  or -- my prefered
  hide group olditem
  show group newitem
end menupick

one example of multiple tabs is in my discretebrowser stack - in the source
tab item, you have another tab to see different sources. In the options tab
item, you have an index field version of the same tab menu.

Here's the last entry about it which is not the latest...
http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=139
The stack was changed significantly for the XOS framework which I work on.
But the tabs will work great.

cheers
Xavier

cheers
Xavier

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Re: Newbie question

[Robert Brenstein]

Hi Everyone,

Is there something I can put in a script that'll stop it there and display
the script editing window at that point?

Joe
Orlando, Florida


If you want to enter the script editor (as opposed to debugging):

edit the script of me
edit the script of this cd
etc

Robert
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Playing audio clips

[Jim Hurley]

As far as I can make out  from the documentation one can only  start 
(from the  beginning) and stop an audio clip. It is not possible to 
pause,  resume or control the speed.


Did I get this right?

Jim
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Re: Playing audio clips

[Klaus Major]

Hi Jim,

As far as I can make out  from the documentation one can only   
start (from the  beginning) and stop an audio clip.

It is not possible to pause,  resume or control the speed.


if you had a look at "play" in the docs, you should have also seen  
these commands:


play pause ac "xyz"
-> Will pause an audioclip (ac)

play resume ac "xyz"
-> Will resume (go figure :-) a paused audioclip


Did I get this right?


No, except the "speed" thing :-)


Jim


Regards

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de

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Re: ALCY (Beginner )> Auto Indentation/ Default font / Tab Pannel / Date functions

[Mark Smith]

New controls inherit their font and other settings from the stack  
they're in. If you set those properties for the stack, your buttons  
will inherit them...as will your fields and all other controls, which  
may not be what you want. Otherwise, short of customising the IDE,  
there's not a really simple way to have new buttons default to one  
font, and fields to another, as far as I know.


You can switch off the auto-formatting of scripts in the script  
editor preferences.


Cheers,

Mark

On 10 Oct 2005, at 15:52, Alcy wrote:

2- How can I set the default size of the text and font of new  
buttons? Looks like the default settings of my preferences is not  
taken into account for new buttons Text/size properties. At the  
moment I copy and paste existing buttons but there must be some  
default settings I have missed somewhere right?




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Re: Playing audio clips

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Klaus,

Unfortunately, play pause, resume, etc. only work with video clips  
but not with audio clips:
To pause a movie, use the play pause form. Continue playing with play  
resume. You can move one frame backward or forward with the play step  
form. If you use one of these commands with a clip that is not  
currently playing, the result function returns "videoClip is not  
playing". If the clip is a sound, these forms simply play the sound,  
ignoring the words "pause", "resume", or "step".

Then Jim is right :-(

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 10 oct. 05 à 17:33, Klaus Major a écrit :


Hi Jim,


As far as I can make out  from the documentation one can only   
start (from the  beginning) and stop an audio clip.

It is not possible to pause,  resume or control the speed.



if you had a look at "play" in the docs, you should have also seen  
these commands:


play pause ac "xyz"
-> Will pause an audioclip (ac)

play resume ac "xyz"
-> Will resume (go figure :-) a paused audioclip



Did I get this right?



No, except the "speed" thing :-)



Jim



Regards

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de



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Re: ALCY (Beginner )> Auto Indentation/ Default font / Tab Pannel / Date functions

[Mark Smith]

Actually, a quick perusal of the docs reveals the 'newButton'  
message, sent to the new button when it's created, so you could put  
this in the script of your stack:


on newButton
set the textSize of the target to yourSize
set the textFont of the target to yourFont
end newButton

also see "newField" etc

Mark

On 10 Oct 2005, at 15:52, Alcy wrote:

2- How can I set the default size of the text and font of new  
buttons? Looks like the default settings of my preferences is not  
taken into account for new buttons Text/size properties. At the  
moment I copy and paste existing buttons but there must be some  
default settings I have missed somewhere right?




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Re: ALCY (Beginner )> Auto Indentation/ Default font / Tab Pannel / Date functions

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Alcy,

You could have a look at the templateButton keyword in the docs  
(templateField, templateCard, etc.)
If you define by script the properties of those, you will be able to  
create buttons, fields, etc. perfectly customised :-)


Le 10 oct. 05 à 17:39, Mark Smith a écrit :

New controls inherit their font and other settings from the stack  
they're in. If you set those properties for the stack, your buttons  
will inherit them...as will your fields and all other controls,  
which may not be what you want. Otherwise, short of customising the  
IDE, there's not a really simple way to have new buttons default to  
one font, and fields to another, as far as I know.


You can switch off the auto-formatting of scripts in the script  
editor preferences.


Cheers,

Mark

On 10 Oct 2005, at 15:52, Alcy wrote:


2- How can I set the default size of the text and font of new  
buttons? Looks like the default settings of my preferences is not  
taken into account for new buttons Text/size properties. At the  
moment I copy and paste existing buttons but there must be some  
default settings I have missed somewhere right?


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

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Re: Playing audio clips

[Klaus Major]

Bonjour Eric,


Hi Klaus,

Unfortunately, play pause, resume, etc. only work with video clips  
but not with audio clips:
To pause a movie, use the play pause form. Continue playing with  
play resume. You can move one frame backward or forward with the  
play step form. If you use one of these commands with a clip that  
is not currently playing, the result function returns "videoClip is  
not playing". If the clip is a sound, these forms simply play the  
sound, ignoring the words "pause", "resume", or "step".


oh, yes, sorry, i should start to read the WHOLE page in the docs :-/


Then Jim is right :-(


C'est vrai.

I hope that one of the future versions of Rev will finally support
WindowsMedia a TINY bit more ;-)

Using "MCISendString" IS a pain in the ass, right sims?!!! ;-)


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.


Regards

Klaus Major
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Re: Database or large text file processing??

[Stephen Barncard]

Hello again!

I wish to retrieve details about a particular file which are held in 
a text file, fairly large at about 264000 lines. The file contains 
details about many


One nice thing about a database, especially a remote one, it that it 
handles everything you need to do with data - store, move, access, 
calculate in a nice module in a structured way so you can concentrate 
on your business logic at hand. And multi-user capability is built in.


MySQL is very easy to use and the commands are even more simple than 
Transcript. Many ISPs offer MySQL and other databases that are 
included with web service (PLUG: Dreamhost). Having the ISP configure 
the messy parts and maintaining the hardware had removed my final 
obstacles to using a database. My ISP offers unlimited databases and 
I don't have to deal with license fees.


Highly Recommended to learn about databases with Rev:
Sara's Tutorial/ examples
http://www.troz.net/Rev/tutorials.html

From Sarah's site:
---
MySQLtests.rev
This stack provides a GUI for testing connections to MySQL databases. 
It does basic queries as well as editing of tables and records. Not 
intended for long term use, but I found it helpful when starting to 
learn about MySQL.


MySQL.rev
This stack is a simple client for communicating with MySQL servers 
either on your own computer or remotely. It accepts any MySQL command 
and displays the results in a simple text-based table form. It is 
supposed to be similar to the client available when using OS X's 
Terminal, but does not require that the client & server be installed 
on your computer.

---
And when you understand how RevDB works and you move on to your 
application, then you'll want to use Trevor Devore's DB Library 
that's  a database abstraction library written in Transcript, that 
makes it all much easier.

http://mangomultimedia.com/developer/revolution/

The earlier 1.x version also includes a simple working example; the 
newer 2.xx BETA has even more features but no demo yet - and the 
syntax is slightly different on a few routines. I've used them both 
and they both work well and the 'upgrade' to the new library amounts 
to changing a couple of lines in your code.


Sarah and Trevor ROCK!

sqb


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2.6.1 Release

[Mark Waddingham]

Hi all,

This is just a quick note to let you know that Revolution 2.6.1 is now
available for download from the usual place:
  http://downloads.runrev.com

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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RE: 2.6.1 Release

[MisterX]

funny, I typed the version and it says 2.6.5...

something wrong?

cheers 
Xav

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> Subject: 2.6.1 Release
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This is just a quick note to let you know that Revolution 
> 2.6.1 is now available for download from the usual place:
>   http://downloads.runrev.com
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
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RE: 2.6.1 Release

[MisterX]

just got worse!

Mark (on revchat) tells me he gets 261 on his Mac.

My the version says 2.6.5 on windows... and the last version I downloaded I
renamed as 2.6.1... so what version do I give this download?

;))

X trouble B
http://monsieurx.com - now making moires with version numbers ;)
 

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> 
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> 
> This is just a quick note to let you know that Revolution 
> 2.6.1 is now available for download from the usual place:
>   http://downloads.runrev.com
> 
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> 
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Re: 2.6.1 Release

[Stephen Barncard]

So if my studio license ran out last week this won't work for me?
thanks
sqb

(time to get the Enterprise package?)


Hi all,

This is just a quick note to let you know that Revolution 2.6.1 is now
available for download from the usual place:
  http://downloads.runrev.com

Warmest Regards,

Mark.


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Re: ALCY (Beginner )> Auto Indentation/ Default font / Tab Pannel

[Alcy]

Geee..that was quick!
Thanks a lot Xavier and Mark
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Re: 2.6.1 Release

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Xavier,

Switch to Mac OS X.
You will get more: 2.6.6!
(true)

Le 10 oct. 05 à 18:07, MisterX a écrit :


funny, I typed the version and it says 2.6.5...


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Re: 2.6.1 Release

[Eric Chatonet]

Re,

The engine seems to be 2.6.5 on Windows and 2.6.6 on Mac OS X.
But revAppVersion() returns 2.6.1...

Le 10 oct. 05 à 18:22, Eric Chatonet a écrit :


Hi Xavier,

Switch to Mac OS X.
You will get more: 2.6.6!
(true)

Le 10 oct. 05 à 18:07, MisterX a écrit :



funny, I typed the version and it says 2.6.5...


Best Regards from Paris,

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Re: 2.6.1 Release

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Waddingham wrote:

This is just a quick note to let you know that Revolution 2.6.1 is now
available for download from the usual place:
  http://downloads.runrev.com


When will the engines at 
 be updated?


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RE: 2.6.1 Release

[MisterX]

i updated and now it says 266!


  _  

From: Eric Chatonet [mailto:eric] 
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:23 PM
To: x; How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: 2.6.1 Release


Hi Xavier, 

Switch to Mac OS X.
You will get more: 2.6.6!
(true)

Le 10 oct. 05 à 18:07, MisterX a écrit :


funny, I typed the version and it says 2.6.5...


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

So Smart Software
 
For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Free plugins and tutorials on my website

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RE: 2.6.1 Release

[MisterX]

aha! the MC version is 266,
 
the rev version is 2.6 in the old version
and 2.6.1 in the new one!

thanks for the revTip()

cheers
Xavier

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Eric Chatonet
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:26 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: 2.6.1 Release
> 
> Re,
> 
> The engine seems to be 2.6.5 on Windows and 2.6.6 on Mac OS X.
> But revAppVersion() returns 2.6.1...
> 
> Le 10 oct. 05 à 18:22, Eric Chatonet a écrit :
> 
> > Hi Xavier,
> >
> > Switch to Mac OS X.
> > You will get more: 2.6.6!
> > (true)
> >
> > Le 10 oct. 05 à 18:07, MisterX a écrit :
> >
> >
> >> funny, I typed the version and it says 2.6.5...
> 
> Best Regards from Paris,
> 
> Eric Chatonet.
> 
> So Smart Software
> 
> For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order 
> applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
> Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch
> 
> Free plugins and tutorials on my website
> 
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missing stacks

[Charles Hartman]

Will someone remind me how to get the [EMAIL PROTECTED] documentation and app- 
browser stacks back into view? (I had them on a second monitor, now  
not connected.) I know the set loc to screenloc trick -- but I can't  
remember what the actual stack names of those items are, or how to  
find out.


This is a moderately dumb thing in Rev (other multi-window apps deal  
with it OK) that can be more than moderately frustrating and  
confusing for a newcomer. And me, though I've been doing stuff with  
Rev for several months. Yes, it's an already reported bug.


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Re: missing stacks

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Charles,

revApplicationOverview and revDocs

Le 10 oct. 05 à 18:34, Charles Hartman a écrit :

Will someone remind me how to get the [EMAIL PROTECTED] documentation and app- 
browser stacks back into view? (I had them on a second monitor, now  
not connected.) I know the set loc to screenloc trick -- but I  
can't remember what the actual stack names of those items are, or  
how to find out.


This is a moderately dumb thing in Rev (other multi-window apps  
deal with it OK) that can be more than moderately frustrating and  
confusing for a newcomer. And me, though I've been doing stuff with  
Rev for several months. Yes, it's an already reported bug.


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

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RE: missing stacks

[MisterX]

Just type this in the message box

put the windows

copy the stack's name

set the topright of stack  to item 3 of the screenrect,item 2 of
the screenrect

Alternatively, you can use My window's manager named WinNO2... Option or
shift-click on one of the window controls (the eyes or the window) on top
after selecting the right stack in the list of windows... At least I was
working on that feature - but it shows you the coordinates, the visibility
of the window and it's mode as well... 

http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=157

The colors have been changed drastically...
You need GIM to resize it and drag it aroud in palette mode...

I need to work on that stack a little it seems...
I need more hands! ;)

cheers
Xavier 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Charles Hartman
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:34 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: missing stacks
> 
> Will someone remind me how to get the [EMAIL PROTECTED] documentation and 
> app- browser stacks back into view? (I had them on a second 
> monitor, now not connected.) I know the set loc to screenloc 
> trick -- but I can't remember what the actual stack names of 
> those items are, or how to find out.
> 
> This is a moderately dumb thing in Rev (other multi-window 
> apps deal with it OK) that can be more than moderately 
> frustrating and confusing for a newcomer. And me, though I've 
> been doing stuff with Rev for several months. Yes, it's an 
> already reported bug.
> 
> Charles Hartman
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printing bug

[Charles Hartman]

I just downloaded the new Dreamcard (whatever its number is!) and was  
able to see in nice clean form the bug I encountered when I first  
started using DC some months ago:


I bring up a Documentation topic and hit the Print button. (At least  
the button is no longer grayed out!) I get, NOT a print dialog, but a  
Page Setup dialog. It doesn't matter what I do in it. When I click  
OK, still no Print dialog, DC just starts printing -- in this case,  
to the printer I was last using, which happens to be 27 miles away.  
No way to switch, that I can see, except to go into some other app,  
print something on the current printer, then come back.


Charles Hartman

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Re: missing stacks

[Charles Hartman]

Thanks Eric. That does it.

On Oct 10, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote:


Hi Charles,

revApplicationOverview and revDocs

Le 10 oct. 05 à 18:34, Charles Hartman a écrit :


Will someone remind me how to get the [EMAIL PROTECTED] documentation and app- 
browser stacks back into view? (I had them on a second monitor,  
now not connected.) I know the set loc to screenloc trick -- but I  
can't remember what the actual stack names of those items are, or  
how to find out.


This is a moderately dumb thing in Rev (other multi-window apps  
deal with it OK) that can be more than moderately frustrating and  
confusing for a newcomer. And me, though I've been doing stuff  
with Rev for several months. Yes, it's an already reported bug.




Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

So Smart Software

For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

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Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
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Re: missing stacks

[Charles Hartman]

Should have mentioned I'm using OSX. But thanks for "put the windows"  
-- I didn't think of that.


Charles Hartman

On Oct 10, 2005, at 12:49 PM, MisterX wrote:


Just type this in the message box

put the windows

copy the stack's name

set the topright of stack  to item 3 of the  
screenrect,item 2 of

the screenrect

Alternatively, you can use My window's manager named WinNO2...  
Option or
shift-click on one of the window controls (the eyes or the window)  
on top
after selecting the right stack in the list of windows... At least  
I was
working on that feature - but it shows you the coordinates, the  
visibility

of the window and it's mode as well...

http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=157

The colors have been changed drastically...
You need GIM to resize it and drag it aroud in palette mode...

I need to work on that stack a little it seems...
I need more hands! ;)

cheers
Xavier



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Charles Hartman
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:34 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: missing stacks

Will someone remind me how to get the [EMAIL PROTECTED] documentation and
app- browser stacks back into view? (I had them on a second
monitor, now not connected.) I know the set loc to screenloc
trick -- but I can't remember what the actual stack names of
those items are, or how to find out.

This is a moderately dumb thing in Rev (other multi-window
apps deal with it OK) that can be more than moderately
frustrating and confusing for a newcomer. And me, though I've
been doing stuff with Rev for several months. Yes, it's an
already reported bug.

Charles Hartman
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2.6.1,2,3,4,5,6

[Mark Smith]

Hurray! The long popups bug is squashed like a, well, bug. Hurray!

Mark
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Re: Playing audio clips

[Mark Talluto]

On Oct 10, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Jim Hurley wrote:

As far as I can make out  from the documentation one can only   
start (from the  beginning) and stop an audio clip. It is not  
possible to pause,  resume or control the speed.


Did I get this right?



Jim,

If you use a player control to handle the audio, you can do all of  
the above.



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Re: Database or large text file processing?? - dreamhost

[Michael]

Hi Stephen:

I just discovered Trevor DeVore's excellent libDatabase 2, and have been
trying to use it on my dreamhost site with MySQL. However, I am never able
to connect directly to MySQL with Rev, only by using the PHPmyAdmin browser
interface.

Do you know if it is even possible to connect to MySQL directly with Rev on
a dreamhost hosted domain site (which is not on a dedicated machine)
remotely?

Thanks,

Michael



On 10/10/05 8:59 AM, " Stephen Barncard "
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Many ISPs offer MySQL and other databases that are
> included with web service (PLUG: Dreamhost).

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[OT] Microsoft Office's New UI Blazes Some New Trails for Us

[Dan Shafer]

Jakob Nielsen's Alertbox newsletter today is about the new "results  
oriented user experience" being developed by Microsoft for its  
bloated Office product line.


I provide my thoughts and links at http://www.eclecticity.com/. 
3c65da4c in case anyone cares or wants to discuss it there.


It looks to me at first blush like Microsoft gets this one close to  
right. Quite nice.


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From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html


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Re: [OT] Microsoft Office's New UI Blazes Some New Trails for Us

[Richard Gaskin]

Dan Shafer wrote:
Jakob Nielsen's Alertbox newsletter today is about the new "results  
oriented user experience" being developed by Microsoft for its  bloated 
Office product line.


I provide my thoughts and links at http://www.eclecticity.com/. 3c65da4c 
in case anyone cares or wants to discuss it there.


It looks to me at first blush like Microsoft gets this one close to  
right. Quite nice.


Excellent link, and excellent commentary. Thanks for posting that.

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Re: [OT] Microsoft Office's New UI Blazes Some New Trails for Us

[jbv]

Dan ,

> Jakob Nielsen's Alertbox newsletter today is about the new "results
> oriented user experience" being developed by Microsoft for its
> bloated Office product line.
>
> I provide my thoughts and links at http://www.eclecticity.com/.
> 3c65da4c in case anyone cares or wants to discuss it there.
>

Here's a quote from J. Nielsen's article (BTW the link you provide
on your blog is wrong) :
"The new interface displays galleries of possible end-states, each of which 
combine many
formatting operations. From this gallery, you select the complete look of your 
target -- say
an org chart or an entire document -- and watch it change shape as you mouse 
over the
alternatives in the gallery. The interaction paradigm has been reversed; it's 
now What You
Get Is What You See, or WYGIWYS."

and my first reaction to this is : God ! this is one of most scary
things I ever came across !
It might not be so important in case of a letter or a spreadsheet,
but in general it means that users we'll have to chose from a set
of PRE-DEFINED shapes... and who will pre-design those ?
Microsoft ? Yikes 
Now we have WYGIWWAYTCF (what you get is what we allow
you to choose from)...

and furthermore, what if you want to design something totally
new from scratch ?

I might be overreacting a bit, but I'm sure there are plenty of
different & more promising directions to explore for future UIs...

JB

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Re: [OT] Microsoft Office's New UI Blazes Some New Trails for Us

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, jbv  wrote:

> Here's a quote from J. Nielsen's article (BTW the link you provide
> on your blog is wrong) :
> "The new interface displays galleries of possible end-states, each of which
> combine many
> formatting operations. From this gallery, you select the complete look of your
> target -- say
> an org chart or an entire document -- and watch it change shape as you mouse
> over the
> alternatives in the gallery. The interaction paradigm has been reversed; it's
> now What You
> Get Is What You See, or WYGIWYS."
> 
> and my first reaction to this is : God ! this is one of most scary
> things I ever came across !
> It might not be so important in case of a letter or a spreadsheet,
> but in general it means that users we'll have to chose from a set
> of PRE-DEFINED shapes... and who will pre-design those ?
> Microsoft ? Yikes 
> Now we have WYGIWWAYTCF (what you get is what we allow
> you to choose from)...

I believe the point of the article is that, according to user testing, the
majority of people prefer to edit an existing layout, rather than creating
one from scratch.  Yes, MS is providing a set of layouts/templates for you
to choose from.  Nowhere does it say anything about eliminating your ability
to create from scratch if you wish.

You may also want to read the MS link cited.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: [OT] Microsoft Office's New UI Blazes Some New Trails for Us

[Bob Hartley]

On 10/10/2005 20:42:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Dan ,
> 
> > Jakob
> Nielsen's Alertbox newsletter today is about the new "results
> > oriented user experience" being developed by Microsoft for its
> > bloated Office product line.
> >
> > I provide my thoughts and links at http://www.eclecticity.com/.
> > 3c65da4c in case anyone cares or wants to discuss it there.
> >
> 
> Here's
> a quote from J.
> Nielsen's article (BTW the link you provide
> on your blog is wrong) :
> "The new interface displays galleries of possible end-states, each of
which combine many
> formatting operations. From this gallery, you select the complete look of
your target -- say
> an org chart or an entire document -- and watch it change shape as you
mouse over the
> alternatives in the gallery. The interaction paradigm has been reversed;
it's
> now What You
> Get Is What You See, or WYGIWYS."

Yep and I'm still waiting for go.microsoft.com to load.
Hey give me good old RISC OS where everything worked the way YOU wanted it
to. The one thing that I really miss and have not encountered anywhere else
is separation of the cursor and  mouse between different apps.

IE you have one app that has the cursor in it but another app with the
window focus that is reacting to mouseclicks.
You then could have one app reacting to mouseclicks that controlled the
other eg text and image entry. Ohhh I could go on and on, but that has been
the case since 1991? :-)

Cheers
Bob  
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Re: 2.6.1 Release

[Troy Rollins]

On Oct 10, 2005, at 12:01 PM, Mark Waddingham wrote:


This is just a quick note to let you know that Revolution 2.6.1 is now
available for download from the usual place:
  http://downloads.runrev.com


Anyone know if there is a Release Notes document for 2.6.1? Being 
underway in a project, I don't want to update without a compelling 
reason – 2.6 is working pretty well.


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Re: 2.6.1 Release

[Stephen Barncard]

The bug fix release 2.6.1 of the engine has a lot of fixes that will 
make many people smile.


Download the new version package and read the text file "Change_Log_2.6.1.txt
(I don't know if I'm allowed to reveal the contents here...)



On Oct 10, 2005, at 12:01 PM, Mark Waddingham wrote:


This is just a quick note to let you know that Revolution 2.6.1 is now
available for download from the usual place:
  http://downloads.runrev.com


Anyone know if there is a Release Notes document for 2.6.1? Being 
underway in a project, I don't want to update without a compelling 
reason - 2.6 is working pretty well.


Thanks.
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Re: 2.6.1 Release

[Trevor DeVore]

On Oct 10, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:


Anyone know if there is a Release Notes document for 2.6.1? Being  
underway in a project, I don't want to update without a compelling  
reason – 2.6 is working pretty well.


A very detailed Change log is included with the release.  Just look  
in the Revolution folder after downloading.



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Re: Newbie question

[Sarah Reichelt]

> >Is there something I can put in a script that'll stop it there and display
> >the script editing window at that point?
> >
> >Joe
> >Orlando, Florida
>
> If you want to enter the script editor (as opposed to debugging):
>
> edit the script of me
> edit the script of this cd
> etc
>

After the "edit this script" line, you will want to put a line saying
"exit to top" so that the rest of the script does not get run.

Sarah
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Re: 2.6.1 Release

[Troy Rollins]

On Oct 10, 2005, at 5:01 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

Anyone know if there is a Release Notes document for 2.6.1? Being 
underway in a project, I don't want to update without a compelling 
reason – 2.6 is working pretty well.


A very detailed Change log is included with the release.  Just look in 
the Revolution folder after downloading.


Got it, thanks. Yes, and it looks like an excellent update – probably 
even worth rolling my current project into.

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Undocumented goodie in v2.6.1

[Richard Gaskin]

I didn't find mention of this in the changelog, but Mark Waddingham 
mentioned he would address this and I just confirmed it in XP:


The blend ink can now be used on graphics and buttons on both Mac and 
Windows. In previous versions you could only use the blend ink for those 
objects on Mac.


At the Monterey conference Mark and Kevin made a strong pitch for 
feature completetion, items which are working as described but could 
benefit from enhancement to make the product easier to learn, easier to 
use, and/or reduce the differences between platforms.


I have an immediate use for this one, and it's rewarding to see them 
moving forward well with their feature completion initiative (not to 
mention a really large number of bug fixes folks have been asking for).


Hats off!

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Scale to fit

[Todd Geist]

Hello

I have an image on a card and would like to scale it to fit in a button
dynamically.

In other words as the button gets bigger the icon should until it reaches
its actual size.

I can handle the button getting bigger, but I have no idea how to accomplish
making the icon scale.

Anybody have any examples?

Thanks

Todd





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Re: Undocumented goodie in v2.6.1

[Mark Talluto]

On Oct 10, 2005, at 2:28 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

I have an immediate use for this one, and it's rewarding to see  
them moving forward well with their feature completion initiative  
(not to mention a really large number of bug fixes folks have been  
asking for).


Hats off!



Cheers indeed!  Job well done!


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Re: Scale to fit

[David Burgun]

I dont think you can do it with an Icon, but you can do it using an 
image object, you can do something like this:


set the filename of image "x" to theFullPathNameOfFile

This will load the image and scale it to fit the rectangle of the image.

To rescale, just set a new rect as in:

put 100,100,300,400 into myRect
set the rect of image "X" to myRect

If you enable geometry on the image object,  it will rescale as the 
window gets bigger/smaller.


Hope this helps
All the Best
Dave



Hello

I have an image on a card and would like to scale it to fit in a button
dynamically.

In other words as the button gets bigger the icon should until it reaches
its actual size.

I can handle the button getting bigger, but I have no idea how to accomplish
making the icon scale.

Anybody have any examples?

Thanks

Todd





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Regex help, please

[Harvey Toyama]

Hi,

I have a log file to parse. The data looks like this:

 

  Chip_Test:

  2   1075.7  R120<-7000h0002 mov
HifRegs

  2   1088.1  R14<-7000h 00020002 mov
HifRegs

  6   1100.5  [7020h]<-1h00020004 mov
RSTS_Busy

 

I do not want to capture the line with "Chip_Test:". I know the third
character will always be a single digit number. I have a feeble
knowledge of Regex from casual Unix use. I thought something like this
would work

 

put line vLineCounter into vLineBuffer

if char 3 of vLineBuffer = "[0-9]" then

...

 

But I never get a hit. If I substitute "6" for "[0-9]" I do get all the
lines beginning with "6". 



Help, please.

 

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QLogic Corporation

949-389-7601

 

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Re: Regex help, please

[Mark Smith]

Not regex, but how about

if word 1 of  vLineBuffer < 10 then


Mark

On 11 Oct 2005, at 00:04, Harvey Toyama wrote:


Hi,

I have a log file to parse. The data looks like this:



  Chip_Test:

  2   1075.7  R120<-7000h0002 mov
HifRegs

  2   1088.1  R14<-7000h 00020002 mov
HifRegs

  6   1100.5  [7020h]<-1h00020004 mov
RSTS_Busy



I do not want to capture the line with "Chip_Test:". I know the third
character will always be a single digit number. I have a feeble
knowledge of Regex from casual Unix use. I thought something like this
would work



put line vLineCounter into vLineBuffer

if char 3 of vLineBuffer = "[0-9]" then

...



But I never get a hit. If I substitute "6" for "[0-9]" I do get all  
the

lines beginning with "6".



Help, please.



-- Harvey

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949-389-7601



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Re: Regex help, please

[Dave Cragg]

On 11 Oct 2005, at 00:04, Harvey Toyama wrote:


Hi,

I have a log file to parse. The data looks like this:

  Chip_Test:

  2   1075.7  R120<-7000h0002 mov
HifRegs
  2   1088.1  R14<-7000h 00020002 mov
HifRegs
  6   1100.5  [7020h]<-1h00020004 mov
RSTS_Busy


I do not want to capture the line with "Chip_Test:". I know the third
character will always be a single digit number. I have a feeble
knowledge of Regex from casual Unix use. I thought something like this
would work

put line vLineCounter into vLineBuffer
if char 3 of vLineBuffer = "[0-9]" then
...



regEx in Rev is only used in the MatchText and ReplaceText functions.

You could do this:

  if char 3 of vLineBuffer is a number then

But you're missing something in the first line. Assuming vLineCounter  
is a number, and the data to parse is in a variable named vData, then  
you need something like this:


  put line vLineCounter of vData into vLineBuffer


If you're parsing through all the lines in the file, and if it's  
long, you'll find that the expression "line vLineCounter of vData"  
takes longer to evaluate as the value of vLineCounter gets higher. In  
that case, the "repeat for each" format would be a lot faster.  
Something like:


  repeat for each line vLine in vData
if char 3 of vLine is a number then
-- your stuff
end if
  end repeat

Cheers
Dave
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Unicode Users Unite

[ron barber]

Greetings,
Its great to get 2.6.1 with its many bug fixes and some enhancements. 
If you use unicode in Rev then you know that it is also an area that 
could use some focused attention. I have listed below the outstanding 
bugs from Bugzilla. We all know that these are not the sum of all bugs 
concerning unicode. Some were reported multiple times and some are not 
listed at all. Let's let Rev know what they need to do to get Unicode 
really usable and robust so that we, and they, can reach markets 
outside the US.
Here's my suggestion. Look for bugs. If you find a bug, run it by the 
list first. This may suggest a temporary work around but it will also 
look for confirmation and prevent duplication. If it is a bug, put it 
in Bugzilla and list it under the Unicode and Localization component  
and use 'Unicode' in the description. This makes it easier to compile a 
list of outstanding issues.
Let's help Rev make unicode a usable feature and open up some new 
markets.


Thanks
Ron


2874	PC   	   	UNCO Japanese Keyboard Layout not Honored - 
As stated but is it only applicable to Japanese or other keyboard 
layouts as well?


2998 	   	Mac 	   	UNCO Chunk expressions in Unicode - Unicode text 
 cannot be handled by most of the chunk rendering expressions


3022 	   	Mac   	UNCO Arabic Unicode text improperly rendered 
in fields - adding ",unicode" to the font property can cause the brace 
to be cut off. It changes the size of the characters without adding 
more room


3023 	   	All   	   	UNCO Handling of right to left languages in 
Unicode is inadequate - As stated


674  	   	All   	 	NEW Support for unicode or UTF8 path names - 
As stated


1955 	   	Mac 		NEW RevPrintText/Field does not work with 
Unicodetext - As stated


2377 	   	Mac 	 	NEW Allow unicode Transcript scripts. - 
Certain unicode chars cannot be entered into the script wd


2378 	   	Mac 	   	NEW Cannot enable/disable Unicode menus/items 
via script - MenuMaker fails as well but cannot use enable/disable 
commands on unicode menus/items


2489 	   	Mac 	   	NEW Unicode combining marks often fail - If 
there are only ASCII characters in front if the one to be modified, 
then the modification does not work.


2493 	   	Mac 	   	NEW Unicode chars are sometimes taken from the 
wrong font

2497Mac NEW Problem setting certain unicode htmlText
502  	   	Mac 	  	DUPL 	unicode does not know what an A is - All three 
of these are the same: specifying somefont,unicode does not always use 
somefont to render as unicode on OSX


2646 	   	Mac 	   	NEW Unicode the files and the folders on Mac OSX 
- SpecialFolderPath("Desktop") call does not work on Mac


3143 	   	Mac 	   	NEW "Preferences..." of MacOSX Unicode menubar - 
This only displays in English


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Re: Regex help, please

[Sarah Reichelt]

> I have a log file to parse. The data looks like this:
>
>
>
>   Chip_Test:
>
>   2   1075.7  R120<-7000h0002 mov
> HifRegs
>
>   2   1088.1  R14<-7000h 00020002 mov
> HifRegs
>
>   6   1100.5  [7020h]<-1h00020004 mov
> RSTS_Busy
>

Untested, but how about something like this:

filter tLogData with "??[0-9]*"

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: Unicode Users Unite

[Trevor DeVore]

On Oct 10, 2005, at 4:29 PM, ron barber wrote:


Greetings,
Its great to get 2.6.1 with its many bug fixes and some  
enhancements. If you use unicode in Rev then you know that it is  
also an area that could use some focused attention. I have listed  
below the outstanding bugs from Bugzilla. We all know that these  
are not the sum of all bugs concerning unicode. Some were reported  
multiple times and some are not listed at all. Let's let Rev know  
what they need to do to get Unicode really usable and robust so  
that we, and they, can reach markets outside the US.
Here's my suggestion. Look for bugs. If you find a bug, run it by  
the list first. This may suggest a temporary work around but it  
will also look for confirmation and prevent duplication. If it is a  
bug, put it in Bugzilla and list it under the Unicode and  
Localization component  and use 'Unicode' in the description. This  
makes it easier to compile a list of outstanding issues.
Let's help Rev make unicode a usable feature and open up some new  
markets.


Ron,

I agree that Unicode is something which needs some attention soon.  I  
am in the beginning stages of moving an application over to Unicode  
as we are adding Chinese, Japanese, Russian, Korean, etc. to the  
app.  There are still lots of holes in the Unicode support that make  
it very difficult.



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Re: Unicode Users Unite

[Richard Gaskin]

Trevor DeVore wrote:
I agree that Unicode is something which needs some attention soon.  I  
am in the beginning stages of moving an application over to Unicode  as 
we are adding Chinese, Japanese, Russian, Korean, etc. to the  app.  
There are still lots of holes in the Unicode support that make  it very 
difficult.


I'll third that.  I've toss the max votes for all Unicode issues but 
I've only 100 and they're all committed.


Chunk expressions are at the top of my list.  It's what distinguishes 
Transcript from lesser languages. :)


If I need to write my own parsing routines much of the value of choosing 
Transcript goes away.


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Re: Unicode Users Unite

[Trevor DeVore]

On Oct 10, 2005, at 4:43 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


I'll third that.  I've toss the max votes for all Unicode issues  
but I've only 100 and they're all committed.


Chunk expressions are at the top of my list.  It's what  
distinguishes Transcript from lesser languages. :)


If I need to write my own parsing routines much of the value of  
choosing Transcript goes away.


The inability to use chunks is probably my biggest gripe right now  
(well, that and no Unicode file names).


I also wish it was easier to read a UTF16 files that have a different  
byte order than the OS you are running on.  It looks like you have to  
swap the bytes yourself in order to read the file.


Another thing is no UTF16 support in externals.  I'm pretty sure this  
is on the radar to fix but for externals like Valentina 2 you have to  
convert to/from UTF8 to get data between the external and the Rev  
environment.  This is less than efficient.



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RE: Regex help, please

[Harvey Toyama]

Hi Dave,
That worked well. Thank you.

Since the log file is > 500,000 lines long your second bit of advice was
even more helpful. I can't estimate how many orders of magnitude faster
it is without a line count running.

-- Harvey
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Cragg
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 4:27 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Regex help, please

On 11 Oct 2005, at 00:04, Harvey Toyama wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a log file to parse. The data looks like this:
>
>   Chip_Test:
>
>   2   1075.7  R120<-7000h0002 mov
> HifRegs
>   2   1088.1  R14<-7000h 00020002 mov
> HifRegs
>   6   1100.5  [7020h]<-1h00020004 mov
> RSTS_Busy
>
>
> I do not want to capture the line with "Chip_Test:". I know the third
> character will always be a single digit number. I have a feeble
> knowledge of Regex from casual Unix use. I thought something like this
> would work
>
> put line vLineCounter into vLineBuffer
> if char 3 of vLineBuffer = "[0-9]" then
> ...


regEx in Rev is only used in the MatchText and ReplaceText functions.

You could do this:

   if char 3 of vLineBuffer is a number then

But you're missing something in the first line. Assuming vLineCounter  
is a number, and the data to parse is in a variable named vData, then  
you need something like this:

   put line vLineCounter of vData into vLineBuffer


If you're parsing through all the lines in the file, and if it's  
long, you'll find that the expression "line vLineCounter of vData"  
takes longer to evaluate as the value of vLineCounter gets higher. In  
that case, the "repeat for each" format would be a lot faster.  
Something like:

   repeat for each line vLine in vData
 if char 3 of vLine is a number then
 -- your stuff
 end if
   end repeat

Cheers
Dave
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RE: Regex help, please

[Harvey Toyama]

Hi Sarah,
That did work and it is even faster than using the "repeat for each".

For the record, on this 500,000+ line log file

1.  "repeat while vCtr <= vLen" 
took more than a 20 minute coffee break (then I killed it)
2.  "repeat for each ... "
took about 10 seconds
3.  filter ...
took about the time for the mouse button to rise back up

Wow! 

-- Harvey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah
Reichelt
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 4:37 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Regex help, please

> I have a log file to parse. The data looks like this:
>
>
>
>   Chip_Test:
>
>   2   1075.7  R120<-7000h0002 mov
> HifRegs
>
>   2   1088.1  R14<-7000h 00020002 mov
> HifRegs
>
>   6   1100.5  [7020h]<-1h00020004 mov
> RSTS_Busy
>

Untested, but how about something like this:

filter tLogData with "??[0-9]*"

Cheers,
Sarah
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Playing video clips: "mute" the visual, keep the audio?

[Erik Hansen]

--- Eric Chatonet
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Klaus,
> 
> Unfortunately, play pause, resume, etc. only
> work with video clips  
> but not with audio clips:

can you "mute" the visual, keep the audio?

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Re: Neural networking student: step throught the code

[Erik Hansen]

--- Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> In a quick Google for her name I stumbled
> across this item which may be worth a look:
> 
>


>   Richard Gaskin
>   Managing Editor, revJournal

thanks, neural networking is fascinating
for its own sake.

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Re: Undocumented goodie in v2.6.1

[TJ Frame]

Thats rocks :) I'm pleasantly suprised to see that puppy implemented. Thanks
Run Rev team!
  Oh and the new ink option menu is nice too. But shouldn't the "blend"
option be moved to "All Platforms" now?
 I'm still waiting for the day when I can write: PrepareForPrint true
 on PrepareForPrint theMode
lock screen
 repeat for each line objID in gMyVectorGrcList
 set the antialiased of grc id objID to theMode
 end repeat
unlock screen
end PrepareForPrint
 That would be sweet...

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>
>
> On Oct 10, 2005, at 2:28 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
> > I have an immediate use for this one, and it's rewarding to see
> > them moving forward well with their feature completion initiative
> > (not to mention a really large number of bug fixes folks have been
> > asking for).
> >
> > Hats off!
>
>
> Cheers indeed! Job well done!
>
>
> Mark Talluto
> --
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> http://www.canelasoftware.com
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field as menu?

[Charles Hartman]

I know this is totally basic -- but I can't remember how to use a  
scrolling list field as an ersatz menu. I'm thinking of a long list,  
user selects one item, action to edit that item ensues. Pulldown and  
popup are ergonomically less suitable than a scrolling list (holding  
down a mouse-button is bad, bad). But a list is a field not a button  
and has no menu style . . . Somebody pity the poor confused & remind  
me what to do in this situation?


Charles Hartman

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Re: Unicode Users Unite

[Devin Asay]

On Oct 10, 2005, at 5:43 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Trevor DeVore wrote:

I agree that Unicode is something which needs some attention  
soon.  I  am in the beginning stages of moving an application over  
to Unicode  as we are adding Chinese, Japanese, Russian, Korean,  
etc. to the  app.  There are still lots of holes in the Unicode  
support that make  it very difficult.




I'll third that.  I've toss the max votes for all Unicode issues  
but I've only 100 and they're all committed.


Everyone who has voted for bugs in the past: Don't forget to check  
the bugs you voted on. Declaring a bug fixed does not automatically  
return your votes to your unused pool. You have to remove them  
manually. With the release of 2.6.1 and its myriad bug fixes you may  
now have votes you can shift elsewhere.


Chunk expressions are at the top of my list.  It's what  
distinguishes Transcript from lesser languages. :)


Amen, brother!

If I need to write my own parsing routines much of the value of  
choosing Transcript goes away.


Indeed.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Scale to fit

[Todd Geist]

Thanks!


On 10/10/05 3:26 PM, "David Burgun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> put 100,100,300,400 into myRect
> set the rect of image "X" to myRect

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[Not Completely OT] Online Blackjack Hacked

[Scott Rossi]

A not completely off topic post about an online version of BlackJack that
was hacked due to timing issues.

http://haacked.com/archive/2005/08/29/9748.aspx

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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the inverse of the "owner" property

[Dick Kriesel]

Here¹s a virtual property that (I think) is the inverse of the ³owner²
property.  It has a strange name, based on the assertion that the opposite
of "owner" is "ownee."  Call it what you will...

The property works for me, but does anyone see trouble with it?

getProp ownees
  if first word of name of the target is "stack" then
put the substacks of the target into tSubstacks
if tSubstacks is empty then
  put the cardNames of the target into tOwnees
else
  repeat for each line tSubstack in tSubstacks
put the name of stack tSubstack & return after tOwnees
  end repeat
  put the cardNames of the target after tOwnees
end if
  else
put abbr id of the target into tOwner
repeat with i = 1 to number of controls in tOwner
  if abbr id of the owner of control i of tOwner is tOwner then
put name of control i of tOwner & return after tOwnees
  end if
end repeat
delete last char of tOwnees
  end if
  return tOwnees
end ownees

Thanks in advance for your consideration...

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Re: field as menu?

[Kay C Lan]

On 10/11/05, Charles Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Pulldown and
> popup are ergonomically less suitable than a scrolling list (holding
> down a mouse-button is bad, bad).


Before you go down the route of a list field, on my Mac I don't have to hold
down the mouse-button for long 'option' buttons (really menus). If I give
the button a quick click it will pop up and stay open. All I then have to do
is move the mouse up or down and the 'options' will scroll automatically (no
clicking, no scripting required). Not like a list field that you have to
click/scroll up and down to find the selection you want.

I've just done a quick test and the same is true for pulldown, combo box and
pop-up.

Ergonomically I find the 'click-on-button; move-mouse-up/down;
click-on-selection very quick and easy to manipulate.
HTH
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what I can find.
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Re: [OT] Microsoft Office's New UI Blazes Some New Trails for Us

[Judy Perry]

FWIW,

I've got Dan's blog loading while I post this response, but, if your
commentary is spot-on, then it is a scary thing... appropriately
in-season.

Judy

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, jbv wrote:

>
>
> Dan ,
> "The new interface displays galleries of possible end-states, each of which 
> combine many
> formatting operations. From this gallery, you select the complete look of 
> your target -- say
> an org chart or an entire document -- and watch it change shape as you mouse 
> over the
> alternatives in the gallery. The interaction paradigm has been reversed; it's 
> now What You
> Get Is What You See, or WYGIWYS."
>
> and my first reaction to this is : God ! this is one of most scary
> things I ever came across !
> It might not be so important in case of a letter or a spreadsheet,
> but in general it means that users we'll have to chose from a set
> of PRE-DEFINED shapes... and who will pre-design those ?
> Microsoft ? Yikes 
> Now we have WYGIWWAYTCF (what you get is what we allow
> you to choose from)...

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Re: [OT] Microsoft Office's New UI Blazes Some New Trails for Us

[Judy Perry]

Sounds like even more 'Death by PowerPoint' ...

Of course users want to be told how things should look.

But your point is well taken re: reading the originals.

In case you might wonder why the knee-jerk reaction, I this term have ~30
upper-division university students (non-CS majors), and not a few of them:

(a) don't know what a search engine is;
(b) don't know the difference between an email addy and a URL;
(c) don't use anything other than what MS pre-loads on their computer;
(d) when given step-by-step instructions on using blogger, and told that
they need to click on the little orange arrow to post their blog, WHEN,
they don't see said little orange arrow, DON'T SCROLL DOWN TO LOOK FOR
IT!!!
(e) they were shocked when confronted with a quote from a MS executive,
something to the efeect that, with respect to Encarta and its errors, the
company considered it more important that the product be politically
palatable than accurate (!).

A report from in the trenches...

:(

Judy

 On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Scott Rossi wrote:

> I believe the point of the article is that, according to user testing, the
> majority of people prefer to edit an existing layout, rather than creating
> one from scratch.  Yes, MS is providing a set of layouts/templates for you
> to choose from.  Nowhere does it say anything about eliminating your ability
> to create from scratch if you wish.

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Re: [OT] Microsoft Office's New UI Blazes Some New Trails for Us

[Dan Shafer]

Lots of reasons to dislike Microsoft, to be sure, and to distrust  
them as well.


Still, I've been looking in greater depth at the new Office UI and  
thinking about it and I think that for most users who care about  
results -- the what and not the how -- this new approach to the user  
experience is going to be VERY well received even if it doesn't get  
everything quite right -- or even close.


I've ALWAYS detested cascading menus and in Office, there are a lot  
of things you can't do without them. I also not-infrequently pause  
and puzzle over which menu in a given menubar -- not just in Office  
but in lots of apps -- is likely to be hiding the choice I really  
want. With the new approach, functionality that users could logically  
be expected to look for in two or more places can just be placed on  
two or more of those palette thingies that appear when the user  
clicks on a command tab.


I really think that although there are certainly flaws in this  
design, the general approach is sensible and bold. I'm not delighted  
that it's Microsoft thinking but there's another aspect to it that I  
like: it's the *concept* of the command tab and the resultant  
revelation of a command panel that users will become used to, not so  
much the specific commands or elements contained in those panels or  
their appearance or arrangement. And I think that means there's lots  
of room to build on the MS concept.


ALso, it IS clear from the description that the old dialog box/sheet  
approach will still be available. I think the idea of having the  
document appearance change dynamically as you mouse over the icons  
for the design changes is a real coding challenge but could make  
users much less prone to making dumb design decisions.


All in all, I'm feeling surprisingly favorable toward it.

Of course, I still hate the company. Goes without saying, I suppose.


On Oct 10, 2005, at 9:39 PM, Judy Perry wrote:


Sounds like even more 'Death by PowerPoint' ...

Of course users want to be told how things should look.

But your point is well taken re: reading the originals.




~~
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Strange menuitem hilite issue

[MisterX]

For some reason when I can the following line from different objects than
the menu I get an error...

hilite menuitem 9 of menu "tools" 

but if I call it from the menu itself or the message box, it works...

can anyone confirm this? Existing or new bugzilla?

cheers
Xavier

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Re: Scale to fit

[Todd Geist]

Thanks for this tip

Now I want to go one step further. I want it to scale but to maintain it's
original proportions.  Is there an easy way to do that?


On 10/10/05 3:26 PM, "David Burgun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> To rescale, just set a new rect as in:
> 
> put 100,100,300,400 into myRect
> set the rect of image "X" to myRect

Thanks

Todd


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Re: [OT] Microsoft Office's New UI Blazes Some New Trails for Us

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Judy Perry  wrote:

> Of course users want to be told how things should look.

Actually, there is a difference: not how things *should* look but how things
*can* look.  Again, the premise is that users are more comfortable modifying
existing designs/layouts/templates, rather than starting from scratch.  The
template designers are giving users a starting point, which they can either
choose to use as is, or modify to their liking.


> In case you might wonder why the knee-jerk reaction, I this term have ~30
> upper-division university students (non-CS majors), and not a few of them:
> 
> (a) don't know what a search engine is;
> (b) don't know the difference between an email addy and a URL;
> (c) don't use anything other than what MS pre-loads on their computer;
> (d) when given step-by-step instructions on using blogger, and told that
> they need to click on the little orange arrow to post their blog, WHEN,
> they don't see said little orange arrow, DON'T SCROLL DOWN TO LOOK FOR
> IT!!!
> (e) they were shocked when confronted with a quote from a MS executive,
> something to the efeect that, with respect to Encarta and its errors, the
> company considered it more important that the product be politically
> palatable than accurate (!).
> 
> A report from in the trenches...

The way I read your comments, they appear to completely support the above
premise: users need a jump start that shows how things can look/work, not an
empty page.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: Strange menuitem hilite issue

[Richard Gaskin]

MisterX wrote:

For some reason when I can the following line from different objects than
the menu I get an error...

hilite menuitem 9 of menu "tools" 


Hiliting is normally a visual inversion to indicate the item the mouse 
is over.


What result is expected when attempting to hilite a menu item in script 
for a menu that isn't being pulled down by the mouse?


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RE: Strange menuitem hilite issue

[MisterX]

Hi Richard

Good point. The revdocs don’t seem to say much in 
regards to hilite... But the hilite "menuitems" 
should clear the confusion shouldn't it? 

cheers
Xavier

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Gaskin
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:22 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Strange menuitem hilite issue
> 
> MisterX wrote:
> > For some reason when I can the following line from 
> different objects 
> > than the menu I get an error...
> > 
> > hilite menuitem 9 of menu "tools" 
> 
> Hiliting is normally a visual inversion to indicate the item 
> the mouse is over.
> 
> What result is expected when attempting to hilite a menu item 
> in script for a menu that isn't being pulled down by the mouse?
> 
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RE: Scale to fit

[MisterX]

grab the maximum of the images's width or height.

Get the ratio of W/H

Set the rect to it's new size and insure that the
maxima recorded before is set. Then use the ratio
to resize the other side (which was not the maximum).

that usually does it...

if you want a script, I can post one later tonite...

cheers
Xavier

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Todd Geist
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:14 AM
> To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Scale to fit
> 
> Thanks for this tip
> 
> Now I want to go one step further. I want it to scale but to 
> maintain it's original proportions.  Is there an easy way to do that?
> 
> 
> On 10/10/05 3:26 PM, "David Burgun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > To rescale, just set a new rect as in:
> > 
> > put 100,100,300,400 into myRect
> > set the rect of image "X" to myRect
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Todd
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Strange menuitem hilite issue

[Richard Gaskin]

MisterX wrote:

Hi Richard

Good point. The revdocs don’t seem to say much in 
regards to hilite... But the hilite "menuitems" 
should clear the confusion shouldn't it? 


Maybe I'm just tired, but I can figure out what:

  hilite menuitem 9 of menu "tools"

...is supposed to do.

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Re: QT version on Windows

[Ken Ray]

On 10/10/05 9:13 AM, "sims" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anyone know how to check for the QuickTime version on a Windows machine
> without using QTVersion?

Well, you can find it in the WIndows registry at:

  HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Apple Computer, Inc.\QuickTime\Version

But it is in binary; I've tried many forms of binaryDecode() and can't seem
to be able to extract it. Anyone else want to give it a go?


Ken Ray
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Re: Scale to fit

[Ken Ray]

On 10/11/05 12:32 AM, "MisterX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> grab the maximum of the images's width or height.
> 
> Get the ratio of W/H

Here you go:

function stsScaleObject pOrigW,pOrigH,pMaxW,pMaxH
  put pMaxW/pOrigW into tPctW
  put pMaxH/pOrigH into tPctH
  if tPctH < tPctW then
put pOrigH * tPctH into tNewH
put pOrigW * tPctH into tNewW
  else
put pOrigH * tPctW into tNewH
put pOrigW * tPctW into tNewW
  end if
  return round(tNewW),round(tNewH)
end stsScaleObject


Pass in the current width and height, along with the maximum width/height
you want it to scale to, and it will return the new width and height.

HTH,

Ken Ray
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Re: QT version on Windows

[xbury . cs]

Actually, it looks like it is written in hex as the version...

I have version 6.3 and the regedit key says 6308000

I guess there is no decoding, just an encoding in the wrong mode!...

cheers
Xavier 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/10/2005 08:07:15:

> On 10/10/05 9:13 AM, "sims" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Anyone know how to check for the QuickTime version on a Windows 
machine
> > without using QTVersion?
> 
> Well, you can find it in the WIndows registry at:
> 
>   HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Apple Computer, Inc.\QuickTime\Version
> 
> But it is in binary; I've tried many forms of binaryDecode() and can't 
seem
> to be able to extract it. Anyone else want to give it a go?
> 
> 
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