Re: Darwin cgi engine and sendmail

[Sivakatirswami]

Here you go Dave.. .from the application here that generates our  
Daily Hindu Press international..


This is running from a rev desktop stack in the GUI, but I'm pretty  
sure it will work from a CGI...


One  caveat there is a conf variable set for security, which limits  
the length of a single line input to sendmail to 990 chars. (google  
"sendmail 990" for this obscure bit of info)  Longer strings are auto  
broken with CRLF as far as I can tell. There are all kinds of scary  
admonitions not to change this setting (old mail client issues) hence  
my dreaful work around in the switch statement below.


Of course this assume the email is properly formatted I haven't  
included that here.. if you need it I can post that too... in the  
following "tMsg" contains a properly formatted, multi-part html/plain  
text email...




# fix endlines to unix a
replace numTochar(13) with numTochar (10) in tMsg

# temp back up to hard drive
 put ($HOME &"/Desktop/temp.txt") into tPath
put tMsg into url ("binfile:" & tPath)

# introduce line breaks at the end of sentences into lines  
longer that 990 chars

# and two such breaks in the case of lines longer than 1980 chars.
# will break lines up to 2970 chars.
# Lines longer than that (very unlikely) will be broken by Sendmail  
at 990 with CRLF
# which appears as a space in the html email and a line break and  
space in the plain

# text version. This eliminates both:
repeat for each line tLine in tMsg
switch
case len(tLine)<990
put tLine & cr after tWrappedMsg
next repeat
break
Case len(tLine)>1980
set the itemdel to "."
put round(the number of items of tLine/3) into tBreakPoint
put cr before item (tBreakPoint+1) of tLine
put cr before item (tBreakPoint*2) of tLine
put tLine & cr after tWrappedMsg
next repeat
break
Case len(tLine)>990
set the itemdel to "."
put round(the number of items of tLine/2) into tBreakPoint
put cr before item (tBreakPoint+1) of tLine
put tLine & cr after tWrappedMsg
next repeat
break
end switch
end repeat

set the itemdel to "," # just in case!

put tWrappedMsg into tMsg
replace cr with "\n" in tMsg #probably not needed if everything  
is running from CGI...

put tMsg into  $DailyHPIEmail

# Do shell stuff and send mail, very simple...

set the shellcommand to "/bin/sh"
put "echo -e $DailyHPIEmail | sendmail -f [EMAIL PROTECTED] " &  
(fld "to" of cd "staticText")  into tCmd


# check on status and inform user
put shell(tCmd)  into tResult
if tResult is empty then
answer "Mail was sent" with "OK"
else
answer tResult with "OK"
end if

end createFinalEmailAndSendIt

On Oct 28, 2005, at 11:33 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:


Hi good people

Does anyone have any experience of using sendmail from the Darwin  
cgi engine? (OS X 10.4.2)


If so, could you let me know how it's done? Or if you know it's not  
possible, could put me out of my misery and let me know.


Cheers
Dave
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[ANN] Tabbed interface v01

[Alejandro Tejada]

Hi developers,

Download this version 01 of a tabbed interface
for stacks with many cards.



Yesterday, i started this stack and think could be 
an interesting starting point if you need to create
a tabbed interface.

This stack could be a lot more polished,
but i'm posting it today with the hope that it
picked the curiosity of many developers and newbies 
to start exploring, experimenting and publishing 
better tabbed interfaces for all RR/MC/DC developers!
:D

Usage:

When you click in a button in the navigation 
bar, you go to the card named in the button.

Each time you create a new card, a button
with the name of the card is added automatically 
to the top row and get a lighter backcolor
(think of this as a hilite).

Each time you delete a card, his button
is deleted automatically and the button of 
the top card get hilited.

Click the buttons named "Create Card" and 
"Delete this Card" to see this action.

If you select text in the main field,
you could get a contextual menu by clicking
with the third mouse button.

>From this contextual menu, you could create
a new card too. :D

Keep us posted in this mail list about any
enhancement that you could made to the
graphics and the code of this stack.

Have a nice weekend!

al



Visit my site:
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/




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Re: Applications, Processes and Alt-TAB

[Flavel Steve]

Steve  Flavel



On 30/10/2005, at 6:00 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:


Steve,

What are the decorations settings for your stack? IOW, does it have  
a standard window with titelbar? If not, then it won't show in the  
processes list and won't show when minimized (XP only)

Hi Chip

The Splash stack has is empty title , but all others are menu,title.

Watching the Windows Task Manager, the Application name is never  
listed as an Application, only under the Processes Tab.
The stack title is always listed under the Applications TAB, even for  
the Splash stack, with an empty title bar.

I changed the Splash stack to menu,title but no change.




best,
Chipp

Flavel Steve wrote:



Under XP the following happens.
(I have the Windows Task Manager Open to see what is happening)
The application name is listed under the Processes tab.
The current Stack name is registered under the Application tab.
If I Alt-Tab, the current Stack name is removed from the  
Applications  list.
And so I can't get back to it.  But the Application is still  
listed  under the processes list.
If I compile a single stack test program then Alt-Tab works as   
expected.  The application is listed under Applications, and there  
is  no entry in the Processes TAB.




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Re: Applications, Processes and Alt-TAB

[Chipp Walters]

Steve,

What are the decorations settings for your stack? IOW, does it have a 
standard window with titelbar? If not, then it won't show in the 
processes list and won't show when minimized (XP only)


best,
Chipp

Flavel Steve wrote:


Under XP the following happens.

(I have the Windows Task Manager Open to see what is happening)
The application name is listed under the Processes tab.
The current Stack name is registered under the Application tab.
If I Alt-Tab, the current Stack name is removed from the Applications  
list.
And so I can't get back to it.  But the Application is still listed  
under the processes list.


If I compile a single stack test program then Alt-Tab works as  
expected.  The application is listed under Applications, and there is  
no entry in the Processes TAB.


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Re: Crop image based on pixel color

[Chipp Walters]

Hi Roger,

You might want to check out "altMakeTransparent" and 
"imageTransparencyDemo",  stacks I wrote a little while ago which would 
make a specified color rangers transparent in an image.


just enter into the msg box:
go URL "http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/ImageTrans.rev";
and
go URL "http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/altMakeTrans.rev";

You can visit
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm
for more stacks on manipulating images.

This should't be too hard to figure out based upon the above stacks.


best,

Chipp

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

A few moments ago, Scott Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Recently, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:



Imagine a jpg or png image (any format really) that has white space all
around the image. What would be the most efficient way to sample the
colors (quickly) and determine a rect that can be used to crop the 


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Applications, Processes and Alt-TAB

[Flavel Steve]

Hi
I am just beginning to learn Revolution, by converting an old VB6  
project.  I am using OS 10.4.2 on a Macintosh.


When I compile the standalones, for the Mac version, Cmd-Tab works as  
expected.  The application name is listed, and I can move between  
open applications.


Under XP the following happens.

(I have the Windows Task Manager Open to see what is happening)
The application name is listed under the Processes tab.
The current Stack name is registered under the Application tab.
If I Alt-Tab, the current Stack name is removed from the Applications  
list.
And so I can't get back to it.  But the Application is still listed  
under the processes list.


If I compile a single stack test program then Alt-Tab works as  
expected.  The application is listed under Applications, and there is  
no entry in the Processes TAB.



I have searched the archives, but can't find any help there.


Steve  Flavel



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Re: Creating sub-menus a la the inspector?

[Jim Hurley]

Hi Jim,

If I understand correctly your question, you want to build a menu 
with sub-menus (a hierarchical menu).
That's easy using tabs you place in front of menu items to specify 
they are sub-menu items.
With this method, you can build hierarchical menus including as many 
rows as you need.
You will build your menu on-the-fly at mouseDown in the way you want 
according to the number of items you have to display :-)
Have a look at my "How to Build and Manage Dynamic Menus" available 
from Tutorials Picker to get started:


. How to build on-the-fly a menu with sub-menus from an outline 
stored into a custom property.

. How to add contextual items, checkmark, activate or disable menu
items, etc.
. How to respond to the user's actions: choosing a menu item, using a
keyboard shortcut, etc.



Hi Eric,

Thanks a lot. I tried using the tab before, but  all I got was something like:

Choice 1
Sub a
Sub b
Choice 2
Sub c

Etc. That is the literal result of what I put in the button text.

On exploring further, I see the tab creates a submenu only in Pull 
Down and Pop Up styles. I think that was where I went wrong earlier.


Small bug: If you create a PullDown button, change it to a Combo Box, 
and then back to a PullDown, the button name disappears. Only by 
putting the cursor into the Labels field and hitting return, will the 
button name (not the label name) reappear. This applies to 2.6 and 
2.6.1 alike.


Thanks again,

Jim
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Re: Crop image based on pixel color

[Roger . E . Eller]

A few moments ago, Scott Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Recently, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
> 
>> Imagine a jpg or png image (any format really) that has white space all
>> around the image. What would be the most efficient way to sample the
>> colors (quickly) and determine a rect that can be used to crop the 
image?
>> Has this been done before? Got scripts?
> 
> If you could guarantee that that the space around the image was *truly*
> white (or some other solid color) and the images were not huge then this
> *might* be possible to some extent.  However, many images, most notably
> JPEGs, can have color variations in the white space due to compression,
> which makes this a tough thing for Rev to do natively if you want it 
done fast.

Determining if a pixel is 'lighter than' some value would be ok. It 
doesn't have to be absolute white. The goal is to present the user with an 
adjustable crop box that has already positioned itself 'close' to the 
desired crop rect.

> The other issue is, if the white space is irregular, then you
> basically need to sample virtually every point around image, looking for
> non-white-space color changes.  Again, I might be wrong but I think this
> would be hard to do natively if it needs to be fast.

These images are huge. What I envision is a method that would 'look at' 
every 10th or 20th pixel as it loops through the image (for improved 
speed). In most cases, it would still achieve a rect that represents the 
boundaries of the image. The user would then make slight manual 
adjustments to the crop box.

> I know Chipp Walters of Altuit was working with some kind of 
Photoshop-like
> algorithms or libraries -- maybe he has some insight.

I hope he releases altCropMagic (in the style of his other wonderful 
stacks)!  ;-)   Come on Chipp!!!

> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design

Kind regards,
Roger Eller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Re: Revdocs on a wiki

[Dennis Brown]

Thanks for pointing that out.

Just shows how easy it is to forget a feature when you have not used  
the tool in many months --I have been using Constellation since it  
was first made available, and I did not use the IDE for very many  
months before I switched.


Dennis

On Oct 29, 2005, at 2:41 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Dennis Brown  wrote:


The
dictionary is immeasurably useful.  It is even more useful when
integrated into the script editor as done in Constellation.



It is. Right-click on a term in the script to see the dictionary  
entry.


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Re: Problem with editable field - what am I doing wong?

[Troy Rollins]

On Oct 29, 2005, at 3:18 PM, William de Smet wrote:

After quitting and restarting the standalone application the changed 
words are gone (not saved) and were back to the words I've put there.
Is it possible to save words with simple scripting? Do I need to add a 
database?


No, you just need to keep your data in a stack which is not a substack 
of the application. That way, you can issue "Save stack ..." from the 
application after changes have been made to it.


Create a new stack, keep your data field in it, and reference to it 
from your standalone main stack. (Standalone applications cannot save 
themselves.)

--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net

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Re: Crop image based on pixel color

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

> Imagine a jpg or png image (any format really) that has white space all
> around the image. What would be the most efficient way to sample the
> colors (quickly) and determine a rect that can be used to crop the image?
> Has this been done before? Got scripts?

If you could guarantee that that the space around the image was *truly*
white (or some other solid color) and the images were not huge then this
*might* be possible to some extent.  However, many images, most notably
JPEGs, can have color variations in the white space due to compression,
which makes this a tough thing for Rev to do natively if you want it done
fast.  The other issue is, if the white space is irregular, then you
basically need to sample virtually every point around image, looking for
non-white-space color changes.  Again, I might be wrong but I think this
would be hard to do natively if it needs to be fast.

I know Chipp Walters of Altuit was working with some kind of Photoshop-like
algorithms or libraries -- maybe he has some insight.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Crop image based on pixel color

[Roger . E . Eller]

Imagine a jpg or png image (any format really) that has white space all 
around the image. What would be the most efficient way to sample the 
colors (quickly) and determine a rect that can be used to crop the image? 
Has this been done before? Got scripts?

Kind regards,
Roger Eller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Problem with editable field - what am I doing wong?

[William de Smet]

Hi there,

I'm new with revolution and I like it a lot.
I'm working on a educational script where pupils learn to put words  
in alphabetic order.
I've made a teacher part in the application where the words can be  
changed so the exercise is different each time.
(Just a editable field and linked to the exercise with the 'put'  
command).


After starting the standalone application the teacher can change the  
words and you can see the change in the exercise.


But here's my problem:
After quitting and restarting the standalone application the changed  
words are gone (not saved) and were back to the words I've put there.
Is it possible to save words with simple scripting? Do I need to add  
a database?


Thanks,  William



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ANN: Simple Pendulum Simulation

[Roger Guay]

A simple simulation of a simple pendulum . . .


revOnlin -> User Spaces -> RogerG or  
Education.




Cheers, Roger
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Re: Revdocs on a wiki

[J. Landman Gay]

Dennis Brown  wrote:


The
dictionary is immeasurably useful.  It is even more useful when
integrated into the script editor as done in Constellation.


It is. Right-click on a term in the script to see the dictionary entry.

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Re: Revdocs on a wiki

[Dennis Brown]

Scott,

Thank you for pointing that out to folks.
I am signed up, anyone else joining us?

Dennis

On Oct 29, 2005, at 1:24 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:


This is exactly the kind of discussion that should move to the RevDocs
group.

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RevDocs/

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: Revdocs on a wiki

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Dennis Brown  wrote:

> I am not interested in supporting a mish-mash unstructured free-for-
> all of information.  That is not the point at all.  I like much of
> the structure of the current embedded Rev documentation.  The
> dictionary is immeasurably useful.  It is even more useful when
> integrated into the script editor as done in Constellation.  Web
> notes could have been useful --if it actually worked.
> 
> However, if RunRev were to just make a wiki available and say have at
> it, I would fear eminent failure.

This is exactly the kind of discussion that should move to the RevDocs
group.

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RevDocs/

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: ANN: FastMailBase demonstrates the power of Revolution!

[Ken Ray]

On 10/29/05 3:05 AM, "Frédéric RINALDI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  ManyBases is proud to introduce FastMailBase, the first
> professional emails archiver available on the market.

Congratulations, Frédéric! Well done - looks like a great app...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Revdocs on a wiki

[Dennis Brown]

I am not interested in supporting a mish-mash unstructured free-for- 
all of information.  That is not the point at all.  I like much of  
the structure of the current embedded Rev documentation.  The  
dictionary is immeasurably useful.  It is even more useful when  
integrated into the script editor as done in Constellation.  Web  
notes could have been useful --if it actually worked.


However, if RunRev were to just make a wiki available and say have at  
it, I would fear eminent failure.


What I envision, is a well structured database of information that is  
not only useful to newbie and professional, but allows for upgrading  
the information without waiting for an annual formal release cycle.   
We can call it a wiki, but I think it has to be better than the  
average wiki.  Not only does it need to better than a typical wiki,  
it also needs to do things that a book can not do.


Some of the things I would like to see:

1.  A single consensus wish list from user the community for RunRev  
to see --call it a rough draft spec
2.  A single consensus wish list from user the community for RunRev  
to see --call it a rough draft spec
3.  A single consensus wish list from user the community for RunRev  
to see --call it a rough draft spec


4.  Article change/delete by voting members --three strikes and you  
are out --or in
5.  Discussion about potential changes occur on the use-rev list as  
it does now
6.  Articles included or pointers to articles with attributions and  
pointers to "about the author" --like in the tutorial stacks
7.  Rev front end to integrate the site into tools (not browser  
dependent unless a pointer takes you to another web site)

8.  Starting page of link lists of your interest:
a.  Learning Transcript --takes you to the next index page of  
topics (linear links take you from topic to topic inside an article,  
branches to download tutorials from other sites)
b.  Language Dictionary --takes you to category index page  
(search always available)
c.  How Do I --takes you to a category index where you drill  
down to ever more concise areas, then finally to a list of example/ 
discussions

d.  Tools available to developers
e.  Scripting styles
f.  Other resources
g...

As you can see, I look at this as a way of organizing the existing  
information and resources in one place.  I see it as fulfilling  
several major needs:
1.  That wonderful TOC and Index to the great information available  
(along with the hyperlinks that only an electronic book can have)
2.  A place to deposit many of the jewels of information that come  
from the use-rev list where they can be easily found by the inquiring  
mind
3.  Visibility for rev developers and web sites that is linked  
directly to the needs of the user --by virtue of were they are looking


Having the backing of RunRev for this project significantly increases  
the odds of success (from 40% to 80%), even if they provided nothing  
more than acknowledging it on their home page as the place to go to  
learn.


Dennis

On Oct 29, 2005, at 12:18 AM, Dan Shafer wrote:


Judy.

As everyone here knows, you and I don't always see eye to eye on  
things. OK, we almost never see universe to universe. So what of it?


But I thought that a LOT of what you share in this message is, as  
the Brits say, spot-on. Those who are waiting for electronically  
delivered information to replace paper-delivered information will  
wait a long, long, LONG time. Meanwhile, we need to find better and  
better ways to translate what is good and understandable and usable  
about printed books into the digital universe. We keep trying.


Dan


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Re: ARGH! 2.6.1 keeps crashing

[Dan Shafer]

I suspect there's something in your system causing this problem.  
Everyone who's been heard from here lately has been crowing about how  
stable and fast 2.6.1 is on Win2K and XP Pro and that's my experience  
as well though I use the Windows versions as little as possible  
because I'm a MacBigot.


You might want to try a clean reinstall of 2.6.1 and then gradually  
add back in plugins and libraries you use to see where the problem  
lies. If Rev is a primary tool, it's probably worth that hassle.


Good luck.

On Oct 29, 2005, at 12:57 AM, TJ Frame wrote:


perhasp Im jus
unlucky.




~~
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Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
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Re: action dependant on mainsttack

[rev]

Quoting Buster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Hi,

Try this:


if the mainstack of this stack is "beeptest" then


Greetings,
Wouter


Thanks Wouter.

Workes perfectly

ATB
Bob


On 29 Oct 2005, at 17:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi All
I'm trying to execute a handler (or in this case not execute)  
depepndant on the

mainstack.

As  a test I made on button on a stack "beeptest" with the script
on mouseup
if the mainstack is "beeptest" then
exit to top
else
beep
end if
end mouseup


But it still beeps.

I know it must be something simple. (apart from my brain that is)

Any ideas

cheers
Bob


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Re: Tabs

[René Micout]

Thank you Alex, I did that a few years ago with HyperCard...
For the revolution staff : is it possible in the 2.7 version ?
René Micout, Paris, Mac OS X Tiger, Dreamcard 2.6.1

Le 29 oct. 05 à 17:42, Alex Tweedly a écrit :


René Micout wrote:



Thank you,
but my question was about right (>), left (<), center (l),  
decimal  (.) aligned (alignés ?) tabs, like with WindowScript   
(you know ?)  tabs possibility





No, I'm afraid not. Tabstops are just like dumb tabstops on a  
typewriter - i.e. each column is left-aligned no support for  
different types of tabs.


You can usually get the desired effect, with a bit more effort and  
trouble, using multiple fields, possibly grouped to get scrolling,  
and setting the text align of each field..


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Re: Tabs

[Alex Tweedly]

René Micout wrote:


Thank you,
but my question was about right (>), left (<), center (l), decimal  
(.) aligned (alignés ?) tabs, like with WindowScript  (you know ?)  
tabs possibility



No, I'm afraid not. Tabstops are just like dumb tabstops on a typewriter 
- i.e. each column is left-aligned no support for different types of tabs.


You can usually get the desired effect, with a bit more effort and 
trouble, using multiple fields, possibly grouped to get scrolling, and 
setting the text align of each field..


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Re: action dependant on mainsttack

[Buster]

Hi,

Try this:


if the mainstack of this stack is "beeptest" then


Greetings,
Wouter

On 29 Oct 2005, at 17:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi All
I'm trying to execute a handler (or in this case not execute)  
depepndant on the

mainstack.

As  a test I made on button on a stack "beeptest" with the script
on mouseup
if the mainstack is "beeptest" then
exit to top
else
beep
end if
end mouseup


But it still beeps.

I know it must be something simple. (apart from my brain that is)

Any ideas

cheers
Bob


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Re: Tabs

[René Micout]

Thank you,
but my question was about right (>), left (<), center (l), decimal  
(.) aligned (alignés ?) tabs, like with WindowScript  (you know ?)  
tabs possibility

René Micout, Paris, Mac OS X Tiger, Dreamcard 2.6.1

Le 29 oct. 05 à 17:08, MisterX a écrit :


Hi Rene

Use the tabstops of the field...

there's different settings so refer to the revdocs but it's  
measured in
pixels from start (or the previous tab)... And repeated as the last  
tabstop

set.

cheers
Xavier



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Subject: Tabs

Hello,
Is it possible to define tabs (right, left, center, decimal like word
processor) with tabStop ?
If yes, then how ?
If no, then when ?
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action dependant on mainsttack

[rev]

Hi All
I'm trying to execute a handler (or in this case not execute) depepndant on the
mainstack.

As  a test I made on button on a stack "beeptest" with the script
on mouseup
if the mainstack is "beeptest" then
exit to top
else
beep
end if
end mouseup


But it still beeps.

I know it must be something simple. (apart from my brain that is)

Any ideas

cheers
Bob


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RE: Tabs

[MisterX]

Hi Rene

Use the tabstops of the field...

there's different settings so refer to the revdocs but it's measured in
pixels from start (or the previous tab)... And repeated as the last tabstop
set. 

cheers
Xavier 

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> René Micout
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> Subject: Tabs
> 
> Hello,
> Is it possible to define tabs (right, left, center, decimal like word
> processor) with tabStop ?
> If yes, then how ?
> If no, then when ?
> René Micout
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Re: Revdocs on a wiki

[David Bovill]

On 29 Oct 2005, at 04:41, Chipp Walters wrote:

I couldn't agree with you more. The multiple books available for  
HyperCard, including Dan Shafer's and Danny Goodman's excellent  
tomes, were invaluable to me for learning how to work with  
HyperCard. That is one of the reasons why I'm pushing for both  
'linearity' and 'xml' for whatever wiki is created.


Totally Chipp!

Wiki's as with HyperCard in fact (wiki's originated with, were  
inspired by, and were first programmed in HyperCard) - both have the  
same advantage and bloody aweful problem, of encouraging non- 
linearity. It is so easy to link anything to anything that you end up  
with a god-awful wiki mess, and you spend the rest of your time  
trying to introduce style sheets, templates and navigation structure.


It's great for the first 20 cards / pages -but as the thing scales?!?  
Also seems to have some serious long term mental effects on the  
coders ability to project manage their work - oh oh another one gone  
non-linear :)


One way to overcome this with wiki's is to look at the area of  
overlap with blog's. I started to use blog posts - good XMLRPC  
support there - for developer updates on project tasks - much better  
navigation. Wiki's are good at dictionaries and free flow association.


By the way Chipp - if you are interested in the XML / PDF stuff take  
a look at Apache Forrest - found it easy to install - simple and  
quick to get up and running very structured project based sites with  
great pdf export. Site navigation is a simple XML file. Done some  
work integrating it with Revolution.

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Professional or "novice user": the best of both worlds?

[David Bovill]

On 29 Oct 2005, at 01:11, Dan Shafer wrote:

I think the answer is yes but this opens a whole can of worms about  
how to position, package, price and market Rev, whether for the  
audience you and I see or for the professional programmer. RunRev  
tries to both and I don't think that can be done well. At least  
I've never seen it done well.


I think they have done a great job taking an essentially unix based  
vertical market tool and packaging it for first time and semi- 
professional users. However as you point out this is hard to combine  
with the professional end of the market. Problem being that if there  
is no commercial / professional end then the new users won't take the  
time and investment to learn it!



-
Another reason to let go a little of the professional end of the  
market. Re-introduce the ability to license the full source code,  
take a positive and clear stance on open source, and provide a clear  
direction for developers to build and extend the toolset provided by  
the Rev IDE but for other business sectors. Open source code  
developed in this market can be packaged and sold as professionally  
documented and supported components, or bundled with the IDE. A  
ransom model would allow developers to "go ahead" finish a tool - and  
if RunRev perceived a clear market for it - pay the ransom as a  
monthly subscription - and open source it after the ransom was met.  
There are many other business models for this sort of community  
development. Opening things up a little, and giving a clear  
direction, would allow us to experiment a little here to try out the  
best models.


That way they can concentrate on selling the flow of sustainable  
benefits from the professional markets, and package them nicely into  
the worlds most powerful well documented and easy to use cross  
platform development environment - for those users who just want a  
tool that works.

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Tabs

[René Micout]

Hello,
Is it possible to define tabs (right, left, center, decimal like word  
processor) with tabStop ?

If yes, then how ?
If no, then when ?
René Micout
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Re: 2.6.1 very slow on Win XP?

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From: Chipp Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2.6.1 very slow on Win XP?
To: How to use Revolution 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Thanks, Chip; I'll try that.

Chipp Walters wrote:
[...]

Easy to fix. Go to Prefs->Files & Memory and set the Number of items: to
0. Then close prefs and restart. You can then reset prefs to whatever
number you want.


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Re: Creating sub-menus a la the inspector?

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Jim,

If I understand correctly your question, you want to build a menu  
with sub-menus (a hierarchical menu).
That's easy using tabs you place in front of menu items to specify  
they are sub-menu items.
With this method, you can build hierarchical menus including as many  
rows as you need.
You will build your menu on-the-fly at mouseDown in the way you want  
according to the number of items you have to display :-)
Have a look at my "How to Build and Manage Dynamic Menus" available  
from Tutorials Picker to get started:


. How to build on-the-fly a menu with sub-menus from an outline  
stored into a custom property.
. How to add contextual items, checkmark, activate or disable menu  
items, etc.
. How to respond to the user's actions: choosing a menu item, using a  
keyboard shortcut, etc.


Tutorials Picker is available from my website (Revolution > Plugins)  
or Rev Online (user: So Smart Software)


Best Regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Le 29 oct. 05 à 05:07, Jim Hurley a écrit :

How would one go about creating those sub-menus in an option menu  
(or whatever) that appear in the inspector when there are more  
then  20 menus or fields etc.?


Jim



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RE: 2.6.1 very slow on Win XP?

[MisterX]

I use it with 512 mbs of ram at home and it's fast. 

When I did have problems it was with stacks opened across
a network... Opening, saving was tortuous...

Using any libraries that do anything behind???

cheers
Xavier 

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> To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: 2.6.1 very slow on Win XP?
> 
> Thanks to all who replied.
> I am using no anti-virus software, and it's a pretty basic 
> Win XP SP1 installation.
> I have a feeling that, aside from the intial startup delay, 
> it might be due to the fact that the stacks I'm running open 
> other stacks across a local network. There's always a bit of 
> a delay in normal function there; perhaps some interior 
> Rev-IDE scripts bog down.
> 
> Also, I opened a copy of a stack previously opened from 
> across the network; and I forgot that Rev does not 
> necessarily release resources and settings when a stack is 
> closed.  Maybe it got something confused
> 
> In any case, I was able to get the work I needed done 
> eventually.  In general, I find the Rev environment to be 
> quicker and more responsive when run on Mac OS X, so I do 
> most of my work there, and then do a bit of tweaking using 
> the Windows editor afterwards.  I can't really explain the 
> perceived difference; the computers used are a 1.3 mHz Mac 
> and a 2 mHz Dell. 
>   Maybe the memory?  The Mac has 768 MB and the Dell 512 MB.  
> Is 512 MB insufficient?
> 
> Thanks, Kurt
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Re: ARGH! 2.6.1 keeps crashing

[TJ Frame]

ugh.. I was hoping other people would verify this behavior .. perhasp Im jus
unlucky. The app doesnt seem corrupted - everything else works as expected.
 But like i said it happens a lot when I am in the script editor working on
a script.. I'll hit return or something and then Crashola...

 On 10/29/05, MisterX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> works fine on w200 here too ;)
>
> images with duplicate ids involved maybe?
>
> HTML with images?
>
> Corrupted stack?
>
> RevGeometry in use?
>
> Breakpoint in a stackresize handler or breakpoint in a routine off-stack
> that does resizing?
>
> that's about the causes I know...
>
> Otherwise, I atest 261 is running solidly on windows...
>
> cheers
> Xavier
>
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> > Scott Kane
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> > To: 'How to use Revolution'
> > Subject: RE: ARGH! 2.6.1 keeps crashing
> >
> >
> > > Since I uninstalled 2.6 and replaced it with 2.6.1 I keep getting
> > > random crashes.
> > > It's usually in the script editor, but not always. There
> > seems to be
> > > no ryhme or reason for the crashes in the sense that I'm
> > not doing the
> > > same thing each time. The app just instantly vanishes - no
> > lockups or
> > > anything - it's just gone.
> > > If I check the Task Manger, the app is gone from there too.
> > > Usally when an app crashes at least it will say "not responding" or
> > > something in the TM. Anyway, I'm using Win 200 and this thing is
> > > happening about once per hour, which is really starting to
> > annoy me.
> > > 2.6 hardly ever crashed on me.
> > > Anyone else finding 2.6.1 unstable for them as well? I'm
> > tempted to go
> > > back to 2.6 at this point
> >
> > Working fine here, but I'm on XP Pro.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
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RE: ARGH! 2.6.1 keeps crashing

[MisterX]

works fine on w200 here too ;)

images with duplicate ids involved maybe?  

HTML with images?

Corrupted stack?

RevGeometry in use? 

Breakpoint in a stackresize handler or breakpoint in a routine off-stack
that does resizing?

that's about the causes I know...

Otherwise, I atest 261 is running solidly on windows...

cheers
Xavier

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> To: 'How to use Revolution'
> Subject: RE: ARGH! 2.6.1 keeps crashing
> 
> 
> > Since I uninstalled 2.6 and replaced it with 2.6.1 I keep getting 
> > random crashes.
> >   It's usually in the script editor, but not always. There 
> seems to be 
> > no ryhme or reason for the crashes in the sense that I'm 
> not doing the 
> > same thing each time. The app just instantly vanishes - no 
> lockups or 
> > anything - it's just gone.
> > If I check the Task Manger, the app is gone from there too. 
> > Usally when an app crashes at least it will say "not responding" or 
> > something in the TM.  Anyway, I'm using Win 200 and this thing is 
> > happening about once per hour, which is really starting to 
> annoy me. 
> > 2.6 hardly ever crashed on me.
> > Anyone else finding 2.6.1 unstable for them as well? I'm 
> tempted to go 
> > back to 2.6 at this point
> 
> Working fine here, but I'm on XP Pro.
> 
> Scott
> 
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RE: ARGH! 2.6.1 keeps crashing

[Scott Kane]

> Since I uninstalled 2.6 and replaced it with 2.6.1 I keep 
> getting random crashes.
>   It's usually in the script editor, but not always. There 
> seems to be no ryhme or reason for the crashes in the sense 
> that I'm not doing the same thing each time. The app just 
> instantly vanishes - no lockups or anything - it's just gone. 
> If I check the Task Manger, the app is gone from there too. 
> Usally when an app crashes at least it will say "not 
> responding" or something in the TM.  Anyway, I'm using Win 
> 200 and this thing is happening about once per hour, which is 
> really starting to annoy me. 2.6 hardly ever crashed on me.  
> Anyone else finding 2.6.1 unstable for them as well? I'm 
> tempted to go back to 2.6 at this point

Working fine here, but I'm on XP Pro.

Scott


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ARGH! 2.6.1 keeps crashing

[TJ Frame]

Since I uninstalled 2.6 and replaced it with 2.6.1 I keep getting random
crashes.
  It's usually in the script editor, but not always. There seems to be no
ryhme or reason for the crashes in the sense that I'm not doing the same
thing each time. The app just instantly vanishes - no lockups or anything -
it's just gone. If I check the Task Manger, the app is gone from there too.
Usally when an app crashes at least it will say "not responding" or
something in the TM.
 Anyway, I'm using Win 200 and this thing is happening about once per hour,
which is really starting to annoy me. 2.6 hardly ever crashed on me.
 Anyone else finding 2.6.1 unstable for them as well? I'm tempted to go back
to 2.6 at this point
 - TJ
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