[ANN] Revolution Updates Now RSS Feed

[Ken Ray]

For those of you who have subscribed to the Rev-Updates email service at my
site (or those of you who *wanted* to, but never have) this is to let you
all know that I now have changed this over to a convenient RSS feed, which
can be connected to by going to this page:

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/subscribe_revupdates.htm

and is made even more convenient through Safari 2.0! I am dedicated to
posting new feed items regularly, so if you are interested, check it out!

OK, everyone, that's it back to work!

:-)


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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Re: Architecting the Doc Solution

[Marielle Lange]

(For some reason, I cannot post on revdocs, which has anyway become  
inactive, so I put my reply here)


> Am sitting here with Marielle and have been discussing the wiki
> strategy we wish to see at least. The aim is to work on this with or
> without RunRev support in January. I have registered the domains
> suggested and set up the hosting and much of the infrastructure, but
> have a couple of technical problems with subversion on the Trustix
> distro to resolve.

Hum, written on my behalf but without letting me know about it.

There is a bit of misunderstanding there. What I had proposed David  
was to buy a domain like "openrev.org" to host a set of webservices  
more specifically focused on the members of the community who have  
small or no commercial interest. The idea was to start working on the  
creation of a library of shared functions/components. Unfortunately,  
we didn't get to discuss much of this. Initially, I thought we did  
but it appeared there was some conflict of interest and the  
discussion had no positive outcome with regards to an open alliance  
of any kind. Some parallel discussion has taken place with Alain  
Farmer, of xcard () but nothing  
tangible has come out of these discussions. This may change in a few  
months, but for now, there is nothing tangible in terms of a "small  
or non profit runrev users alliance".


I produced the codes cms on my own webserver, to host a catalogue of  
codes, as a first step in that direction. This was something missing  
and this was not something I could expect runrev to take care of.  
Frankly, I prefer them to work on improving the nice application of  
theirs than to spend an hour or two every day maintaining such a CMS  
like the one I propose there. I hope that this cms will reduce the  
reasons some users have to express dissatisfaction at runrev services  
but I am aware more could be done.


> Also as Marielle lives in Edinburgh - thinking of doing a
> presentation to RunRev regarding these options early next year.

Hmm, David, you didn't tell me that. Anyway, I met runrev team on my  
own behalf about some issues I have as somebody who tries to have  
revolution better promoted in the education community and who cannot  
do much without runrev support. My demarch has always been to try to  
support their effort rather than propose to take responsibilities  
"with or without rev support" that are theirs and should never be  
mine.  Yes, on the use-rev list I proposed to have forums created  
elsewhere as they were recurrent complaints about the traffic on the  
use-rev list... which  by experience is really a problem for non  
profit/education users who have only 3-4 hours a week to spend on the  
list. I have said that there was no need to ask for runrev approval  
simply because that's the case... we don't need runrev approval to  
create a forum on some runrev related topic. But I never proposed to  
host the revdocs with or without RunRev support. If they believe I  
can help them identify the best system to host this doc, I will  
humbly share my experience of cms wih them. If they need a hand, I  
will gladly give it. But I won't host the revdocs on any of my  
websites nor join a group that does (host revdocs on private websites  
without runrev endorsement).


In fact, what I rather suggested to Kevin and Mark (of runrev) was to  
try to channel the discontentment expressed on the list by having  
some community members encourage and facilitate some  better  
community structure. The problem I tried to address is that there is  
the feeling that there is a mechanism for the "entreprise" members to  
influence decisions (with improve-revolution list) but there is none  
for the "non profit/education user". Of course, we cannot expect to  
have runrev encourage one-to-one contact between all its users and  
the company. The idea, then, was to have a few persons from this non  
profit/education community taking a role of "representative" who have  
for role to channel and centralize the requests and suggestions and  
meet once or twice a year with the rev team to pass the information  
and get the rev team feedback on it, pass it down to the members.  
Hence, what has been expressed on the list is that users decided to  
rant because they had the impression that any more "positive"  
approach (suggestion, recommendation, request) will have no effect  
whatsoever. What I argue for is the set up some structure by which  
"small" users (non profit/education) get a chance to  submit requests  
and suggestions to the rev team without having to directly complain  
to revolution or write infuriating posts on the list.



Marielle

 


Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist

Alternative emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Homepage
http://homepages.le

changing default buttonshapes

[Christian Langers]

Hello,

I just wondered if it were possible to change the default shapes of  
buttons linked to a specific platform ?


e.g. I wanted to use the Win radiobuttons on OS X

is that possible ? and how ?

Does anybody have an example ?


Christian L.
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Re: changing default buttonshapes

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Christian,

Menu View/Look and Feel/Windows Emulated :-)

Le 15 janv. 06 à 11:23, Christian Langers a écrit :

I just wondered if it were possible to change the default shapes of  
buttons linked to a specific platform ?


e.g. I wanted to use the Win radiobuttons on OS X

is that possible ? and how ?


Best Regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet
 
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Re: changing default buttonshapes

[Christian Langers]

Bonne fin de matinée Eric ;-)

Do you think I should look at the code in Rev itself to see how it's  
done ?



Christian


Le 15 janv. 06 à 11:26, Eric Chatonet a écrit :


Hi Christian,

Menu View/Look and Feel/Windows Emulated :-)

Le 15 janv. 06 à 11:23, Christian Langers a écrit :

I just wondered if it were possible to change the default shapes  
of buttons linked to a specific platform ?


e.g. I wanted to use the Win radiobuttons on OS X

is that possible ? and how ?


Best Regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet
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Re: Architecting the Doc Solution

[Sivakatirswami]

Marielle:

I've been lurking on your initiative for some time as I am indeed in  
your boat "non-profit-education user" of rev.


 I fully agree:

1) we should not host the Docs
2) the docs are fine as they are: what are needed are examples!

And thus your shared code library site concept is perfect.  Dan  
Shafer is doing his ebooks but you have to pay for each one... That's  
not going to work for us edu types. I can't be putting in a PO  
requisition for money to buy each new book he puts out (however cheap  
they may be) so, open source is the way to go.


More comments inserted. Just by way of "moral support"

[snip]




Some parallel discussion has taken place with Alain Farmer, of  
xcard () but nothing tangible  
has come out of these discussions. This may change in a few months,  
but for now, there is nothing tangible in terms of a "small or non  
profit runrev users alliance".


I use PMwiki for a wiki CMS.. it's fantastic, free and the support is  
incredible. The big advantage of PMwiki is: no back end dbase required.





I produced the codes cms on my own webserver, to host a catalogue  
of codes, as a first step in that direction. This was something  
missing and this was not something I could expect runrev to take  
care of.


agreed
Frankly, I prefer them to work on improving the nice application of  
theirs than to spend an hour or two every day maintaining such a  
CMS like the one I propose there.


agreed
I hope that this cms will reduce the reasons some users have to  
express dissatisfaction at runrev services but I am aware more  
could be done.


> Also as Marielle lives in Edinburgh - thinking of doing a
> presentation to RunRev regarding these options early next year.

on the use-rev list I proposed to have forums created elsewhere as  
they were recurrent complaints about the traffic on the use-rev  
list... which  by experience is really a problem for non profit/ 
education users who have only 3-4 hours a week to spend on the list.


Indeed, these pro live there all day long but I have lots' of other  
work to do! It's a pain to search the archives when all you want is  
an example of some solution you need.  Your trying to find a 10 line  
handler you saw in the archives last year...


 If they need a hand, I will gladly give it. But I won't host the  
revdocs on any of my websites nor join a group that does (host  
revdocs on private websites without runrev endorsement).


Right, they need to be responsible for the docs, others are already  
offering good solutions


What I argue for is the set up some structure by which "small"  
users (non profit/education) get a chance to  submit requests and  
suggestions to the rev team without having to directly complain to  
revolution or write infuriating posts on the list.


Good idea: non-profits may not be a big market for run-rev. But it's  
important for them to have their brand take a high profile in our  
sector. I remember a magazine consultant telling us years ago (with  
respect to marketing our magazine Hinduism Today) that, though there  
was little money in it, it was "mission critical" to get your product  
in front of the students... as these are the people who will buy it  
five years from now. Like kids at the uni today all excited about  
some macromedia product, flash etc. These are the decision makers in  
companies tomorrow. It is so true, I am meeting 25-30 year olds now  
who said "I've been reading Hinduism Today since I was 15 years old"   
so, for the long haul run rev needs us (forward this to Kevin if he  
is interested in this kind of thing...)


Anyway, good luck... I often would like to contribute stuff, but I'm  
not really in a position to put up polished finished stacks. I can't  
deal with any mail traffic that might relate to bugs or questions if  
I did, so I just don't But I could easily offer handlers etc. I think  
this is *really* the other problem: stacks are finished UI's, but  
ultimately these are just code, but the whole model for sharing now  
is stacks, but to share a stack you have to make it usable enough for  
anyone, but non-profit users are spending most of their time  
developing in-house RADS that are very specific to contextual needs  
(" just have to get something that will do this job for us..."  that  
mean nothing to others... meanwhile, there is no model for sharing  
code. So, there's millions of lines of xTalk out there and we have no  
way to re-purpose any of it.


So, go for it!

Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.HinduismToday.com
www.Gurudeva.org
www.Hindu.org






Marielle


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Re: changing default buttonshapes

[Eric Chatonet]

Christian,

Le 15 janv. 06 à 11:30, Christian Langers a écrit :


Bonne fin de matinée Eric ;-)


Merci :-)

Do you think I should look at the code in Rev itself to see how  
it's done ?


It's engine built-in.
The code to set it is:
set the lookAndFeel to "Windows 95"
See lookAndFeel property in the docs.

And don't ask me why Windows 95 ;-)

Best Regards from Paris,
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Re: changing default buttonshapes

[Christian Langers]

Somewhere I read that you can customize the look of your controls  
(not only the look and feel but replacing the actual controls by  
others)...


or am I wrong ?


Christian


Le 15 janv. 06 à 11:59, Eric Chatonet a écrit :


Christian,

Le 15 janv. 06 à 11:30, Christian Langers a écrit :


Bonne fin de matinée Eric ;-)


Merci :-)

Do you think I should look at the code in Rev itself to see how  
it's done ?


It's engine built-in.
The code to set it is:
set the lookAndFeel to "Windows 95"
See lookAndFeel property in the docs.

And don't ask me why Windows 95 ;-)

Best Regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet
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Re: changing default buttonshapes

[Eric Chatonet]

Christian,

As icons are images you can build any custom control using images.
As an example, have a look at Chipp Walters utilities/plugins... or  
mine :-)


Le 15 janv. 06 à 12:19, Christian Langers a écrit :

Somewhere I read that you can customize the look of your controls  
(not only the look and feel but replacing the actual controls by  
others)...


or am I wrong ?


Best Regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet
 
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Re: Architecting the Doc Solution

[Charles Hartman]

I really like the "cookbook" model of mutual help at, for example,
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python

In various languages, I've found that after the initial bootstrapping  
phase (Dan Shafer's book can help people through that), the cookbook  
approach is very efficient: I know enough to know what it is I don't  
know, I formulate it as a how-do-I-do-this problem, and look up the  
keywords that percolate into consciousness in the process. On a big  
site like the ASPN one, most problems have dozens of solutions, and  
choosing one, even in a rush, always teaches me something.


This is the long-winded way of saying I think Marielle's approach to  
code-fragment collection may turn out to be the missing link of docs.


Charles Hartman

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Re: Rev on Universal Binary

[Kevin Miller]

On 11/1/06 02:19, "Jesse Sng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Now that Apple has shipped some machines that are running on Intel
> processors, I'm wondering if there are announcements on the part of
> RunRev as to when there might be Universal Binary editions of
> Revolution?

Universal binaries won't make it into version 2.7, but will be during the
2.7.x cycle.

> What are the implications with respect to plug ins? Potentially it
> could mean that an Intel based Rev calling a PowerPC plugin. Has
> anyone done some evaluation of those things?

We'll publish more information on this when we start the test cycle for a
universal version.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Re: [ANN] Audio Waveform display

[Mark Smith]

Sivakatirswami, I think the audio to midi functionality exists in a  
few of the pro sequencing packages, but you might take a look at  
Melodyne  : http://www.celemony.com/


I don't know of anything that can extract a single voice from a  
recording of a full band/orchestra/choir. Perhaps it can be done for  
a clarinet or oboe (I haven't seen this, myself) since those  
instruments produce a relatively simple sound (not so many complex  
harmonics) unless blown very hard. A human voice is a very much more  
complex sound, and obviously much more variable, which might explain  
the difficulty.


Getting the pitches of a solo voice recording can certainly be done,  
and googling 'audio to midi' produces a lot of results. I suspect  
this is one of those areas like photoshop-type image transformations,  
where it could probably be done in transcript, but would likely be so  
slow as to be not worth the effort in practice. For a start, you'd  
need to read every sample point of the binary audio file, rather than  
take every n samples as my waveform display does, and so just reading  
the data would take a long time. I suppose you could do it in chunks,  
which would probaly be more effeicient, but then you've still got to  
analyse the frequency of the peaks and troughs (I imagine this is how  
it would be done), and I just can't see this being done in transcript  
speedily enough for the amounts of data involved. Maybe someone will  
prove me wrong though, as I proved myself wrong about displying the  
waveform!


For Indian music, you'd have to be more fine-grained than the western  
diatonic scale (semi-tones), as Indian music has it's own system that  
uses quarter tones (at least - I'm not very knowledgable about this),  
but you could just maintain a small database of different scales -  
Indian, Western, Malaysian etc.


Anyway, if you decide to try it, feel free to use any code from my  
display control (the file reading part might be a useful starting  
point), and let me know if you think I can help.



Best,

Mark

On 15 Jan 2006, at 04:40, Sivakatirswami wrote:

Fascinating... I wonder how far we can take this: "analyze sound"   
--> analyze song --> output notes. Here's is a specific application  
I would  be very interested in:


Take a vocal song and analyze the pitch-melody and output some  
musical notation. The idea is to "capture the tune."  In this case  
we need to display shifts in hertz over time, and not just amplitude.


Of course this may be inventing the wheel, but a search on the web  
doesn't turn up much other than MIDI to notation and some very  
obscure cmd line tools from the world of European polyphonic music.  
Maybe some of our other music wizard will chime in here. I had a  
tool for this years ago but they went out of business. I thought  
Finale had a plug in for it, but I don't see it and this is the  
premier notation program...


Even if thereis something out there... a rev app would be nice:

One would have to set up a range-distance in hertz for pitch  
changes that would be equivalent to a half step on the 12 note  
octave.  73.333 hertz per step, I think...  The pitch wave form  
would set a marker every time the pitch changes by that much  
Now you could use known values (440 = A with a toleance of 2 ,   
438-442 = the note A).


I always thought the "pollution" of a sound track (singer had  
instruments playing behind him or her) would make it nigh well  
impossible for artificial intelligence to pull out the voice only  
and export to notes. They have stuff for this that you can attach  
to a clarinet or an oboe, but thats a single sound, not a music  
recording... But if we had a GUI that showed pitches and the user  
could chose points through time as "the ones to use" then the  
program would use those points (which would have hertz values) and  
export to notation.


For the kind of Indian musical vocal I'm talking about, there will  
be a very strong melodic line, akin to recording a clarinet sans  
much else behind it. Outputting to western standard time values  
(quarter notes, half notes, whole notes) could be dispensed with  
initially (too big a mountain to climb) I would get the melodic  
line output and send it to one on our team in Indian Svaram  
notation and let them enter them into the tala. The indian system  
is very simple since it makes no attempt to offer an entire musical  
staff (chords), but you would just get, ala the old hypercard music  
notation (where minus equals flat and plus = sharp):  output like  
this:


Mohana raga: c d f g a c c a g f d c  or Mayamalavagaula; c c+ e f  
g g+ b c


 (I wrote some stuff in HC for this years ago, brought it into  
Supercard and then lost it...but I'm sure there is lots of stuff  
around still playing in this pond.)


Point: the output is a simple linear export of hertz values  
represented  as chars that = musical notes, separated by  a space.   
I believe there is a convention for this 

Re: Rev on Universal Binary

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Kevin,

May we understand that Universal binaries Rev will be Rev 3.0 planned  
to be shipped at the end of the year (or something like :-)?

Not fully obliged to reply :-)

Le 15 janv. 06 à 14:55, Kevin Miller a écrit :


On 11/1/06 02:19, "Jesse Sng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Now that Apple has shipped some machines that are running on Intel
processors, I'm wondering if there are announcements on the part of
RunRev as to when there might be Universal Binary editions of
Revolution?


Universal binaries won't make it into version 2.7, but will be  
during the

2.7.x cycle.


What are the implications with respect to plug ins? Potentially it
could mean that an Intel based Rev calling a PowerPC plugin. Has
anyone done some evaluation of those things?


We'll publish more information on this when we start the test cycle  
for a

universal version.

Kind regards,

Kevin


Best Regards from Paris,
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Re: Formatting numbers

[Jim Hurley]

Message: 21
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:40:10 -0800
From: Marty Knapp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Formatting numbers
To: Revolution User List 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Does somebody have a suggestion for formatting numbers with commas for a
printed report? It wil have columns of data, with numbers ranging from 
small to large. The larger ones are hard to read, so I'd like to insert

commas at the appropriate places. I can think of clunky ways to do it,
but thought I'd ask here in case someone had already brewed up something
nice.

Thanks,

Marty Knapp



Marty,

Here are a couple of number formatting functions I use a lot.

The first is the standard comma formatting and the second puts the 
number into scientific format.


For example, the number 12225677.98 formats to

Comma format: 12,225,677.98
Scientific format 1.22*10^7

Jim

function commaFormat tNum
  put tNum mod 1 into remainder
  delete char 1 of remainder
  put trunc(tNum) into tNum
  put the number of chars in tNum into n
  repeat with i = 1 to trunc((n-1)/3)
put comma after char n - 3*i of tNum
  end repeat
  return tNum& remainder
end commaformat

function sciFormat tNum,sigFigures
  if tNum < 0 then
put "-" into sign
  else put empty into sign
  put abs(tNum) into tNum
  if sigFigures is empty then put 3 into sigFigures--Default 
significant figures.

  put 0 into count
  if tNum >= 1 then
repeat until tNum < 10
  divide tNum by 10
  add 1 to count
end repeat
put round((10^(sigFigures-1))*tNum)/10^(sigFigures-1) into tNum
return sign & (char 1 to sigFigures + 1 of tNum) &"*10^" & count
  end if
  if tNum < 1 then
repeat until tNum >= 1
  multiply tNum by 10
  add 1 to count
end repeat
  end if
  return sign & (char 1 to sigFigures + 1 of tNum) & "*10^-" & count
end sciFormat
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Re: Rev on Universal Binary

[Kevin Miller]

On 15/1/06 14:00, "Eric Chatonet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> May we understand that Universal binaries Rev will be Rev 3.0 planned
> to be shipped at the end of the year (or something like :-)?

Any plans we may or may not have for Revolution 3.0 are not in any way
related to Universal binaries.  As I said, Universal binaries will be added
during the 2.7.x series.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Re: Rev on Universal Binary

[Eric Chatonet]

Kevin,

Thanks for this clarification.

Le 15 janv. 06 à 15:30, Kevin Miller a écrit :

On 15/1/06 14:00, "Eric Chatonet"  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



May we understand that Universal binaries Rev will be Rev 3.0 planned
to be shipped at the end of the year (or something like :-)?


Any plans we may or may not have for Revolution 3.0 are not in any way
related to Universal binaries.  As I said, Universal binaries will  
be added

during the 2.7.x series.

Kind regards,

Kevin


Best Regards from Paris,
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Re: Portable Apps..?

[Rob Cozens]

Jim,

All stated that it would NOT be accepted in any corporate 
environment in Europe as

corporations were banning the use of such devices by people in the office.
No employees were allowed to use such a device in the office.


I must say I'm surprised to hear this.

From my limited experience, I would guess that many corporate and 
other business enterprises allow employees to take company laptops 
home or on the road with them, use their own computer for company 
business, or to take software and documents home on mass storage to 
work on their own computer after hours.  If the organization allows 
one to take a company computer out of the office, what security is 
gained by prohibiting small mass storage devices in the office?


I cannot imagine trying to run a business of any size without 
allowing some subset of employees access to company computers & data 
off-site and after hours.  If that is allowed, banning the use of 
small mass storage devices seems non sequitur to this foole.


Rob Cozens CCW
Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
 Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

 from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) 


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sound recording stack available?

[Kurt Kaufman]

In Rev Online - User spaces under "sms" I have a stack called  
RecPlayWawMCI

which may be of help.


Thank you; this seems to be exactly what I was looking for.
-Kurt
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Re: Message from Marielle

[Marielle Lange]

Hi Scott,

Many thanks for your recommendation. I went for heartinternet www.heartinternet.co.uk/> which had been recommended on this list, I  
believe. They have free 24/24 "chat support", 100% uptime guaranteed,  
unlimited space, unlimited bandwidth for a price I can afford. When I  
connected to their website, the page was instantaneously displayed. I  
checked out forums on the web, I only read positive comments about  
them. From the setup I can see and what they let me or don't let me  
do, they know their job. On top, it comes with a bunch of free  
templates (professional and not), stock photos, clipart library, etc.  
So far, I am very happy.


The lexicall.org is back up and working, still awaiting DNS update.  
But I have already transfered all files to their new home. All  
content is now on the new host, all cms but one are working. The  
stack galleries are accessible. Etc. Nearly there!



If Marielle is looking for a good host I certainly
recommend FutureQuest - http://www.futurequest.net/
I host with them and they are excellent in up time,
support and generous with throughput.

(Note - I am in no way affiliated with this service
other than being a happy customer).


Scott

 


Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist

Alternative emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Homepage
http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/

Easy access to lexical databaseshttp://lexicall.org
Supporting Education Technologists  http:// 
revolution.lexicall.org/wiki



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Re: Portable Apps..?

[sims]

sims wrote:
All stated that it would NOT be accepted in any corporate 
environment in Europe as

corporations were banning the use of such devices by people in the office.
No employees were allowed to use such a device in the office.



At 8:18 AM -0800 1/15/06, Rob Cozens wrote:
I must say I'm surprised to hear this.

From my limited experience, I would guess that many corporate and 
other business enterprises allow employees to take company laptops 
home or on the road with them, use their own computer for company 
business, or to take software and documents home on mass storage to 
work on their own computer after hours.  If the organization allows 
one to take a company computer out of the office, what security is 
gained by prohibiting small mass storage devices in the office?


I cannot imagine trying to run a business of any size without 
allowing some subset of employees access to company computers & data 
off-site and after hours.  If that is allowed, banning the use of 
small mass storage devices seems non sequitur to this foole.


Bongu Rob,

Perhaps the key here is, as you state, "subset of employees".

I stated "people in the office", such as large law offices with 
hundreds of secretaries,
or call centers, etc. IOW not the 'tech guys' but people answering 
phones, manning

databases, and doing general office work.

Using a flash drive would be a real plus for my project, not a show 
stopper though.
It would make it much easier & thereby more profitable if I can use a 
flash drive.


Guess the only way to find out is to give it a shot.

ciao,
sims

European Rev Conference  2006
www.techietours.com


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Re: [ANN] Revolution Updates Now RSS Feed

[Gregory Lypny]

Very nice, Ken.  Thanks.

Gregory

On 15-Jan-06, at 7:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Message: 23
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 03:00:25 -0600
From: Ken Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [ANN] Revolution Updates Now RSS Feed
To: Use Revolution List 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="US-ASCII"

For those of you who have subscribed to the Rev-Updates email  
service at my
site (or those of you who *wanted* to, but never have) this is to  
let you
all know that I now have changed this over to a convenient RSS  
feed, which

can be connected to by going to this page:

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/ 
subscribe_revupdates.htm


and is made even more convenient through Safari 2.0! I am dedicated to
posting new feed items regularly, so if you are interested, check  
it out!


OK, everyone, that's it back to work!

:-)


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Revolution Preferences

[Gregory Lypny]

Hello everyone,

	I was wonder whether there is a way to set default properties for  
object in Revolution.  I notice in Revolution's Preference window  
that default object sizes can be set.  It would be nice to be able to  
set default field properties such as font and text size.  Would that  
somehow be done through custom properties?


Regards,

Gregory
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Re: Revolution Preferences

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Gregory,

You set the default font and size of all fields in a stack by setting  
the font and size of the stack itself in the property inspector.
By default, all objects inherit the properties of their owner unless  
you set them differently.
See Property Inheritance in Docs/Topics/Properties and property  
profiles :-)


Le 15 janv. 06 à 17:52, Gregory Lypny a écrit :

	I was wonder whether there is a way to set default properties for  
object in Revolution.  I notice in Revolution's Preference window  
that default object sizes can be set.  It would be nice to be able  
to set default field properties such as font and text size.  Would  
that somehow be done through custom properties?


Best Regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet
 
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Re: [ANN] Revolution Updates Now RSS Feed

[Mark Brownell]

On Sunday, January 15, 2006, at 04:05 AM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


For those of you who have subscribed to the Rev-Updates email service 
at my
site (or those of you who *wanted* to, but never have) this is to let 
you
all know that I now have changed this over to a convenient RSS feed, 
which

can be connected to by going to this page:

  
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/subscribe_revupdates.htm


and is made even more convenient through Safari 2.0! I am dedicated to
posting new feed items regularly, so if you are interested, check it 
out!


OK, everyone, that's it back to work!
:-)
Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software


OK, that's great. I even like the fact that when I hit the subscribe 
button that it opened my reader and it automatically subscribed me.


Now for something completely different, sort of.

This: http://www.sonsothunder.com/feeds/STSRevUpdates.xml RSS file is 
formatted as version '2.0' and will also work inside of Intuition 1.5. 
The procedure for using it follows. Open a file in Intuition 1.5 or 
create a new one, go  to Import / RSS & Auto Load,  enter this URL: 
http://www.sonsothunder.com/feeds/STSRevUpdates.xml into the URL 
window, press Get RSS. That will download this RSS file. After that is 
complete press Import. You now have all the items of this RSS feed as a 
page in Intuition of the currently open Intuition file. If you add a 
RSS link back to that feed's URL then you will have an automated 
version that automatically downloads this RSS file while opening 
Intuition's own internal reader. Do this by selecting some text to make 
a link out of and then by using the E menu go all the way to the bottom 
of the E menu to select RSS link. When prompted enter this URL, 
http://www.sonsothunder.com/feeds/STSRevUpdates.xml , to complete the 
creation of the RSS link.


I think in the next upgrade I will add placing this RSS link 
automatically  so the user does not have to create the link. Anyway 
with Intuition you can create a book / archive of RSS feeds  from Ken's 
Rev-Updates. I hope that this link is meant to be a constant URL for 
that feed? The cool thing that is different about Intuition is that RSS 
feeds that link to on-line Intuition files can be downloaded and merged 
directly from the RSS reader. That is a huge difference than just being 
able to go to a website in your primary browser. Intuition files are 
multi-paged and can contain all the images if formatted that way.


Intuition 1.5 is completed. Normally you would download the latest 
version from Tucows but they don't have the newest version up yet.


To get the Mac OSX version download from here:
http://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/intuitionX.sit
From Tucows when latest versions exist:
 http://www.tucows.com/preview/390071.html

To get the Windows version download from here:
http://www.leveltron.com/windownload.exe
From Tucows  when latest versions exist:
 http://www.tucows.com/preview/390072.html

You might need to paste these URLs into your browser window to get them 
to download properly. Links like this from an email client don't always 
open the browser's file download.


Mark

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Re: Architecting the Doc Solution

[Richard Gaskin]

Marielle Lange wrote:

(For some reason, I cannot post on revdocs


I just posted a test message moments ago.  Seems to work well. Feel free 
to contact me offlist to determine the source of the problem.


which has anyway become 
inactive, so I put my reply here)


Yes, a community is only as active as its members.  If people move the 
work of that group over here then it will remain inactive.


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 Fourth World Media Corporation
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Re: PDF and PPT

[Rick Rice]

I know this must have been covered before, but how do I open a PDF 
file

and/or a powerpoint file from within Rev?


When you say, "open", what do you mean? I mean do you want to launch
PowerPoint or Acrobat reader from within Rev and pass it the document 
so it
displays properly in that program, or do you mean to display 
PowerPoint or

PDF content within a Rev stack?
Ken Ray


First, thanks Tom and Alex for your suggestions.
However, Ken asked the question the way I should have.
	What I want to do is launch PowerPoint and/or Acrobat reader from 
within Rev and pass it the document for display outside of Rev.

I did, after posting the first time, find the "launch   with" command.
	Works great as long as I know the exact path to both the file and the 
app. My problem is how do I do this when I have created a standalone 
and the stack is being used by a student and I have no idea where their 
app is actually located? I would be able to locate the file, as it will 
be distributed in the directory with the stack.
	Thanks Ken. An answer is always more likely if the question is 
correctly asked.

Rick

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Rev in High School

[Mark Greenberg]

Fellow Revolutionaries, just a note to let you know of some progress  
in getting Revolution into the classroom.  I have been awarded a  
$10,000 grant to train students to program game-like Rev stacks that  
help learners understand academic topics.  My district has authorized  
an elective course for 11th and 12th graders at our brand new Cyber  
High School in Phoenix (Arizona, USA).  I begin buying the software  
in early February and teaching the course in mid February.


Viva la Revolution!

Mark
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Re: Rev in High School

[Thomas McGrath III]

Mark,

This is fantastic news. How did this happen? I think learning how you  
were able to do this might help in other states as well.

A description from first contact to final acceptance might be useful.

Tom


On Jan 15, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Mark Greenberg wrote:

Fellow Revolutionaries, just a note to let you know of some  
progress in getting Revolution into the classroom.  I have been  
awarded a $10,000 grant to train students to program game-like Rev  
stacks that help learners understand academic topics.  My district  
has authorized an elective course for 11th and 12th graders at our  
brand new Cyber High School in Phoenix (Arizona, USA).  I begin  
buying the software in early February and teaching the course in  
mid February.


Viva la Revolution!

Mark
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Re: Architecting the Doc Solution

[Judy Perry]

Which, of course, really goes back to the  Hypercard model of pre-built
widgets ala the Buttons and Fields stacks (don't recall their exact names
at the moment) that many of us have requested since Day 1.

And, while it's wonderful that individuals such as Marielle and others
wish to 'fill the gap', the ideal approach, especially for inventive
users/hobbyists/edu folks/non or novice programmers, is to have these
things shipped WITH THE PRODUCT because this target audience is least
likely to have the confidence to look for third-party resources, search
the list archives, or even ask the use-list three or more times how to use
and script tabs (e.g., eliminate the gap instead of filling it). (And, if
you search the use-list archives, you will see that the tabs example is
one that comes up _repeatedly_).

Think about it:  what percentage of that target population do you really
think will just walk away if these things aren't part of the out-of-box
experience?  Is 50% too generous? (I think it is; I'm betting it's more
like 75% or higher).

Does the company want to lose that many potential users?

I hope not.

Judy

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, Charles Hartman wrote:

> I really like the "cookbook" model of mutual help at, for example,
>   http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python
>
> In various languages, I've found that after the initial bootstrapping
> phase (Dan Shafer's book can help people through that), the cookbook
> approach is very efficient: I know enough to know what it is I don't
> know, I formulate it as a how-do-I-do-this problem, and look up the
> keywords that percolate into consciousness in the process. On a big
> site like the ASPN one, most problems have dozens of solutions, and
> choosing one, even in a rush, always teaches me something.

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Re: Image Corruption

[Marty Knapp]

Thanks Chipp and Jim,

I'll have to do some more experimenting here. I am having some weird 
problems though. They manifested themselves when I started building 
standalones with a menubar. If I remove the menubar, there seems to be 
no problem (just a standard Rev default menubar with no changes on my 
part). If I remove 3 specific graphics I also have no problem. I've 
tried resaving the graphics in Photoshop and resaving them in 
GraphicConverter, all with no improvement.


Though seemingly unrelated, when I started having problems with jpegs 
(created with the Save-for web option) not showing on a web pages, I 
thought maybe my problem was rooted in Photoshop. So I deleted the Pref 
file for Save-for-web and it fixed my web/jpeg problem. It hasn't solved 
my .png graphic problem in Rev, however . . .


So i'll keep digging here and report back what I find. I hope I can 
solve my problem and as welll as assist others who may have similar issues.


Thanks again!

Marty Knapp


On 1/14/06 6:16 PM, "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


I've used 'Save for web' from Photoshop witout ever having a problem
(both Mac and PC). Seems like there's another problem you're having, Marty.

   



I agree with Chipp.
Virtually all of my web images (many thousands) are done via Save for web
and they play inside of straight HTML, Flash jpg import at run time, Flash
swf import at run time, various photo album renditions of thumbnails/et al
derived from images created with Save for web.

I cannot remember a failure, unless it was during the ftp upload process,
and the answer was to make the upload a second time.

Using OSX 10.1 thru 10.4, PhotoShop CS 7.0 & 8.0, and lts o' drive
space.

One extra thought.  I cannot use 'progressive' jpgs with Flash import at run
time, thus I avoid them, so this might be a factor in your work.  There is
more than one type of jpg and the answer may be to try each and see if there
is a correlation.

Hope this helps.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 1/14/06 6:16 PM, "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


I've used 'Save for web' from Photoshop witout ever having a problem
(both Mac and PC). Seems like there's another problem you're having, Marty.

-Chipp

Marty Knapp wrote:
   


For those of you who saw my posts about weird behavior in my standalone
(mostly crashing on startup), it seems the problem was corrupted images,
which I deleted and replaced using Rev's built-in graphics. Today I
found something that may be of value to others - I was working on a web
site, using Photoshop's "Save for web" option and while the images
looked OK and imported to my web program fine, they wouldn't display in
a browser. If I just saved them as jpegs (not the save-for-web route)
they would display fine. So I deleted the Save-for-web preference file
and that seems to have done the trick.

 


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Re: xml and utf-8 attribute

[Ken Ray]

On 1/14/06 3:33 PM, "praxMatrix Internet Services" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I'm having a lot of trouble getting the right characters to appear for an
> XML attribute. The file loads correctly and displays the English words with
> no problems but the translation attribute returns garbled characters. The
> XML is encoded as UTF-8. I've tried implementing the various suggestions
> I've found in the archives re uniDecode / htmlText etc but am having no
> luck. The languages I am trying to use are Spanish, French and Polish. Any
> pointers or links to tutorials would be very helpful. This is the typical
> format of the XML file:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This is the tanscript code that pushes the 'trans' attribute into the field:
> put revXMLAttribute(tDocID2,"/player/snd["&sndID&"]","trans") into field
> "trans"
> 
> And this is the typical output for non English characters:
> 
> España

Yeah, it appears that the revXML.dll can't handle character entities very
well (Peter Evensen identified this a couple of weeks back). Here's what I'd
posted in response:

-
If your files aren't too large, you may wish to try my all-Transcript XML
library, which handles these without issue. If you're interested, contact me
off-list as I'm getting ready to release a major upgrade to the library
(2.0) which isn't available from my web site yet (only 1.1.7 is available
publicly).
-

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Rev in High School

[Ken Ray]

On 1/15/06 12:17 PM, "Mark Greenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Fellow Revolutionaries, just a note to let you know of some progress
> in getting Revolution into the classroom.  I have been awarded a
> $10,000 grant to train students to program game-like Rev stacks that
> help learners understand academic topics.  My district has authorized
> an elective course for 11th and 12th graders at our brand new Cyber
> High School in Phoenix (Arizona, USA).  I begin buying the software
> in early February and teaching the course in mid February.

Congratulations, Mark... way to go!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Rev in High School

[Mark Greenberg]

Step 1:  My wife clipped a tiny notice from the paper that the Qwest  
Foundation was granting money to teachers for "innovative use of  
technology in the classroom."


Step 2:  I researched the grant and contacted the organization that  
was managing the grant process and money.


Step 3:  I attended a workshop put on by that organization on how to  
write this particular grant.  The workshop gave me good info but was  
a bit intimidating since most of the attendees were  professional  
grant writers and district technology coordinators.  I'm just a teacher.


Step 4:  I got the class authorized through my district, just in case  
I did get the grant.  I also spoke to the person in our district who  
handles federal funding so she could give me advice.  It wasn't a  
federal grant, but she still understands this type of thing better  
than I do.


Step 5:  I wrote up the proposal, passing it by half a dozen people  
for ideas, wording, spelling, etc.  Since innovation was a key  
element in the wording of the grant information, I focused on the  
video game nature of the stacks my students would be creating.


Step 6:  I mailed it off, checking and rechecking that everything was  
exactly the way they wanted it.


Step 7:  I waited  until Friday when I got the call.  : )

If anyone is interested in more detail, contact me off-list.

Ciao,
Mark

On Jan 15, 2006, at 11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



This is fantastic news. How did this happen? I think learning how you
were able to do this might help in other states as well.
A description from first contact to final acceptance might be useful.

Tom


On Jan 15, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Mark Greenberg wrote:


Fellow Revolutionaries, just a note to let you know of some
progress in getting Revolution into the classroom.  I have been
awarded a $10,000 grant to train students to program game-like Rev
stacks that help learners understand academic topics.  My district
has authorized an elective course for 11th and 12th graders at our
brand new Cyber High School in Phoenix (Arizona, USA).


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Re: xml and utf-8 attribute

[Mark Waddingham]

> I'm having a lot of trouble getting the right characters to appear for an
> XML attribute. The file loads correctly and displays the English words with
> no problems but the translation attribute returns garbled characters. The
> XML is encoded as UTF-8. I've tried implementing the various suggestions
> I've found in the archives re uniDecode / htmlText etc but am having no
> luck. The languages I am trying to use are Spanish, French and Polish. Any
> pointers or links to tutorials would be very helpful. This is the typical
> format of the XML file:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This is the tanscript code that pushes the 'trans' attribute into the field:
> put revXMLAttribute(tDocID2,"/player/snd["&sndID&"]","trans") into field
> "trans"
> 
> And this is the typical output for non English characters:
> 
> España

This is what you should expect to get - this string is valid UTF-8
rendered as the native 1-byte encoding.

Try
  put revXMLAttribute(tDocID2,"/player/snd["&sndID&"]","trans") \
into tUTF8Text
  put uniDecode(uniEncode(tUTF8Text, "UTF8")) into field "trans"

Now the explanation...

Your XML file is specified to have the encoding 'UTF-8'. This means that
the XML parser will attempt to interpret the contents of the file as
being valid UTF-8 text - in particular, numeric character references
(such as #&241), which are taken as unicode code points, will be
resolved to the appropriate sequence of characters for UTF-8.

revXML doesn't mess with the encoding at all - so what you get back from
the revXML* functions (in your case) will be UTF-8 encoded strings.

Therefore, to convert to the platform native 1-byte encoding (MacRoman
on MacOS, Latin-1 on Windows and ISO8859-1 on Unix/Linux) you need to
convert to UTF-16:
  put uniEncode(tUTF8Text, "UTF8") into tUTF16Text
and then convert back to the standard 1-byte encoding:
  put uniDecode(tUTF16Text) into tNativeText

(The uniDecode function, without a second parameter, indicates that the
target encoding is one of the native 1-byte ones appropriate to the
running platform)

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Re: PDF and PPT

[Ken Ray]

On 1/15/06 11:58 AM, "Rick Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> First, thanks Tom and Alex for your suggestions.
> However, Ken asked the question the way I should have.
> What I want to do is launch PowerPoint and/or Acrobat reader from
> within Rev and pass it the document for display outside of Rev.
> I did, after posting the first time, find the "launch   with" command.
> Works great as long as I know the exact path to both the file and the
> app. My problem is how do I do this when I have created a standalone
> and the stack is being used by a student and I have no idea where their
> app is actually located? I would be able to locate the file, as it will
> be distributed in the directory with the stack.
> Thanks Ken. An answer is always more likely if the question is
> correctly asked.

No prob, Rick... Try this:

on LaunchDoc pPath
  if the platform is "Win32" then  -- Windows 98SE or higher*
put shortFilePath(pPath) into pPath
put item 1 to (the number of items of pPath - 1) of pPath & \
  "/" into tDir
put item -1 of pPath into tItem
put char 1 to 2 of tDir into tDrive
set the hideConsoleWindows to true
get shell(tDrive && "& cd" && tDir && " & start" && tItem)
  else-- Mac
replace "/" with ":" in pPath
if char 1 of pPath = ":" then delete char 1 of pPath
put "tell application" && q("Finder") & cr & \
  "open file" && q(pPath) & cr & "end tell" into tAS
do tAS as "AppleScript"
  end if
end LaunchDoc

This should work... (hope there aren't any typos)...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* If you need it to work in earlier versions of Win98 or Win95, let me know.

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Re: revCreateXMLFromFile parsing entities?

[Mark Waddingham]

I missed this first time round, but as this is related to a post I just
made, I thought I'd go back and retrospectively comment :o)

On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 16:06 -0600, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
> I get an error saying that "Entity 'cent' is not defiled" if I have the 
> following in my XML file:
> 
>  ¢
> 
> 1) are entities defined on XML?  Should the library even be trying to parse 
> it?  I wanted it to just leave it alone and pass it to me so I can handle 
> it with htmlText of a field.

>From my understanding of the XML standard, XML is perfectly happy to
parse entities - but only a handful are predefined. They are:
  < -- <
  > -- >
  & -- &
  ' -- '
  " -- "

For all others, you need to either:
  - define them explicity using an '!ENTITY' declaration before use
or
  - include a file containing the entity declarations before use
or
  - define them in your schema and reference that in your header

Obviously, if you are used to HTML then you are used to having a whole
zoo of entities predefined. XML tries to be as lightweight as possible
so this isn't mandated.

> There is also a bug related to it's handling of entities (if it is supposed 
> to handle the entities)... if I use the numeric code for ¢ (i.e., 
> ¢), I get a cent sign, but it has a capital A with a circumflex over 
> it.  I BZed this a while back.

This is for the reasons pointed out in my previous post. I'm guessing
your XML file is tagged with UTF-8 as its encoding - so the unicode copy
point '162' is getting translated to its 2-byte UTF-8 representation.

Hope this helps,

Mark.

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Re: Revolution Preferences

[Ken Ray]

On 1/15/06 10:52 AM, "Gregory Lypny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I was wonder whether there is a way to set default properties for
> object in Revolution.  I notice in Revolution's Preference window
> that default object sizes can be set.  It would be nice to be able to
> set default field properties such as font and text size.  Would that
> somehow be done through custom properties?

In addition to Eric's excellent comments, you can also set "the
templateField" with properties prior to creating fields. All objects have a
template, so you can set the template ahead of time and then from that point
forward (until you change it or quit Rev) any objects you create will have
those properties.

So you could say:

  set the textFont of the templateField to "Comic Sans"
  set the textSize of the templateField to "14
  create field

Anyway, lookup the template___ entries in the Transcript Dictionary for more
info.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
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Re: Rev in High School

[Thomas McGrath III]

Mark,

This is very inspiring to me and I'm sure many others on this list.

Thanks for posting this.

Tom


On Jan 15, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Mark Greenberg wrote:

Step 1:  My wife clipped a tiny notice from the paper that the  
Qwest Foundation was granting money to teachers for "innovative use  
of technology in the classroom."


Step 2:  I researched the grant and contacted the organization that  
was managing the grant process and money.


Step 3:  I attended a workshop put on by that organization on how  
to write this particular grant.  The workshop gave me good info but  
was a bit intimidating since most of the attendees were   
professional grant writers and district technology coordinators.   
I'm just a teacher.


Step 4:  I got the class authorized through my district, just in  
case I did get the grant.  I also spoke to the person in our  
district who handles federal funding so she could give me advice.   
It wasn't a federal grant, but she still understands this type of  
thing better than I do.


Step 5:  I wrote up the proposal, passing it by half a dozen people  
for ideas, wording, spelling, etc.  Since innovation was a key  
element in the wording of the grant information, I focused on the  
video game nature of the stacks my students would be creating.


Step 6:  I mailed it off, checking and rechecking that everything  
was exactly the way they wanted it.


Step 7:  I waited  until Friday when I got the call.  : )

If anyone is interested in more detail, contact me off-list.

Ciao,
Mark

On Jan 15, 2006, at 11:00 AM, use-revolution- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



This is fantastic news. How did this happen? I think learning how you
were able to do this might help in other states as well.
A description from first contact to final acceptance might be useful.

Tom


On Jan 15, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Mark Greenberg wrote:


Fellow Revolutionaries, just a note to let you know of some
progress in getting Revolution into the classroom.  I have been
awarded a $10,000 grant to train students to program game-like Rev
stacks that help learners understand academic topics.  My district
has authorized an elective course for 11th and 12th graders at our
brand new Cyber High School in Phoenix (Arizona, USA).


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Re: Revolution Preferences

[Gregory Lypny]

Thank you, Eric.

	I tried an example using the Property Inspector, and although it's  
not particularly intuitive, it appears to work.  Once I get the hang  
of it, I think it will save me a lot of time.


Gregory

On 15-Jan-06, at 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Gregory,

You set the default font and size of all fields in a stack by setting
the font and size of the stack itself in the property inspector.
By default, all objects inherit the properties of their owner unless
you set them differently.
See Property Inheritance in Docs/Topics/Properties and property
profiles :-)

Le 15 janv. 06 à 17:52, Gregory Lypny a écrit :


I was wonder whether there is a way to set default properties for
object in Revolution.  I notice in Revolution's Preference window
that default object sizes can be set.  It would be nice to be able
to set default field properties such as font and text size.  Would
that somehow be done through custom properties?


Best Regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet


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Re: Architecting the Doc Solution

[Marielle Lange]

(For some reason, I cannot post on revdocs
I just posted a test message moments ago.  Seems to work well. Feel  
free to contact me offlist to determine the source of the problem.


Thanks for that...The problem was due to an email of mine that has  
become inactive (my ed.ac.uk one) and yahoo very confusingly  
proposing me to change my email preferences when what needed to be  
changed was my membership information.



which has anyway become inactive, so I put my reply here)
Yes, a community is only as active as its members.  If people move  
the work of that group over here then it will remain inactive.


As my problem is solved now, I published my next post on yahoo.  



Cheers,
Marielle

 


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Re: Rev on Universal Binary

[Jesse Sng]

We'll publish more information on this when we start the test cycle for a
universal version.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Ok. Thanks Kevin, I look forward to hearing more news about this, 
especially also information on how Rev is currently doing on Rosetta 
for those who might have to work with that during the interim.



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RE: Rev on Universal Binary

[Scott Kane]

Jesse,

> Ok. Thanks Kevin, I look forward to hearing more news about this, 
> especially also information on how Rev is currently doing on Rosetta 
> for those who might have to work with that during the interim.

What is Rosetta?

Scott


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Needed: A shortcut to help user install downloaded fonts

[Kresten Bjerg]

HI
After the long discussion on font installation in March,(3/3/05 - 30/3/05) and 
my  (unanswered) posting last week on the same topic, I got the following idea:
If a downloadable standalone / with an installer/ comes in a folder, in which  
my fontsuite is included, couldnt  an answer dialogue be constructed, which - 
(when invoked by users clicking a button)  by itself, and without the users 
browsing, could locate the (WIN or MAC) OS fontfolder, and - on users accept -  
simply move the included fontsuite to that folder. Its a onetime event, and the 
intricacies of  "using the 'ext.dll', installing the fonts as custom properties 
etc , which I cant understand, and which seems to involve cross platform 
intricacies, could perhaps be avoided.
Of course one could also instruct the user to "manually" copy the dowloaded  
fontsuite 
to the OS fontfolder, - but the standalone is meant for users who might not 
know what a font or a folder is.
I guess the handlers for doing this on windows and on macs  will be slightly 
different, - but can it be done on both systems ?- and ... frankly: can someone 
on the list help with the necessary commands in such answer dialogues.?
(That the user will have to restart before using is no problem).

Kresten

P:S  Will a separate script have to be prepared for linux standalones, or would 
the Win  version be sufficient there ?

www.psy.ku.dk/bjerg/diary.htm
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Re: Architecting the Doc Solution

[Mark Swindell]

I think you are right, Judy.  These things ought to come out-of-the- 
box, as well.  Rev resources are plentiful, but newbies aren't going  
to be able to make sense of much of what is available.


It strikes me that one large searchable/navigable stack comprised of  
all of the scripting conferences might be a good thing to ship, and  
easy enough to create.   What a resource.


Mark


On Jan 15, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Judy Perry wrote:

Think about it:  what percentage of that target population do you  
really
think will just walk away if these things aren't part of the out-of- 
box
experience?  Is 50% too generous? (I think it is; I'm betting it's  
more

like 75% or higher).


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RE: Rev on Universal Binary

[Jesse Sng]

Jesse,


 Ok. Thanks Kevin, I look forward to hearing more news about this,
 especially also information on how Rev is currently doing on Rosetta
 for those who might have to work with that during the interim.


What is Rosetta?

Scott


Rosetta is the PowerPC emulator that runs on the Intel Macs. It 
allows existing PowerPC code to be executed on the new intel macs 
transparently. That includes the current version of Revolution which 
I assume is able to run flawlessly already.


The question of course is whether the plug-ins will run smoothly 
including things like video capture and so forth. Again I'm guessing 
but it's probably quite transparent.


The issue is whether there is a significant performance hit or not.


Jesse
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RE: Architecting the Doc Solution

[Scott Kane]

Mark,

> I think you are right, Judy.  These things ought to come out-of-the- 
> box, as well.  Rev resources are plentiful, but newbies aren't going  
> to be able to make sense of much of what is available.

I agree.  I love Rev.  But it took me quite a while to come to
grips with it.  Compared to some other languages (which are lower level
than 4GL) I found it tough going at first.  Once beaten though I've
noticed I "change my thought mode" to suit how Rev does things.  However
a lot of people may well not persevere that far.
 
> It strikes me that one large searchable/navigable stack comprised of  
> all of the scripting conferences might be a good thing to ship, and  
> easy enough to create.   What a resource.

That would be incredibly useful!

Scott


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RE: Rev on Universal Binary

[Scott Kane]

> Rosetta is the PowerPC emulator that runs on the Intel Macs. It 
> allows existing PowerPC code to be executed on the new intel macs 
> transparently. That includes the current version of Revolution which 
> I assume is able to run flawlessly already.
> 
> The question of course is whether the plug-ins will run smoothly 
> including things like video capture and so forth. Again I'm guessing 
> but it's probably quite transparent.
> 
> The issue is whether there is a significant performance hit or not.

Thank you for taking the time to explain it.  It's the
fist I've heard of Rosetta.

Scott


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RE: Architecting the Doc Solution

[Gorton, Stephen (Oxygen)]

Being a newbie but having a development background with lower level
languages, I agree -completely-.
It would be a great bonus having at least some sort of crossover docs
like c++ -> Rev, from a coding point of view, its just that the syntax
and the way you think about everything is greatly different compared to
other languages.
I've never stuggled so much with another one, -but- I see that when (not
if) I get a handle on this that the development timeline goes from
months to weeks maybe even days. 
I get ahead by looking at other revolution code ie: 3party functions
etc... and look and how the syntax is written.
One large searchable/nav stack (library) would be of -huge- benefit to
newbies like me.
Joining this list is another necessity as well.

s




Mark,

> I think you are right, Judy.  These things ought to come out-of-the- 
> box, as well.  Rev resources are plentiful, but newbies aren't going  
> to be able to make sense of much of what is available.

I agree.  I love Rev.  But it took me quite a while to come to
grips with it.  Compared to some other languages (which are lower level
than 4GL) I found it tough going at first.  Once beaten though I've
noticed I "change my thought mode" to suit how Rev does things.  However
a lot of people may well not persevere that far.
 
> It strikes me that one large searchable/navigable stack comprised of  
> all of the scripting conferences might be a good thing to ship, and  
> easy enough to create.   What a resource.

That would be incredibly useful!

Scott


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RE: Architecting the Doc Solution

[Scott Kane]

> Being a newbie but having a development background with lower 
> level languages, I agree -completely-. It would be a great 
> bonus having at least some sort of crossover docs like c++ -> 
> Rev, from a coding point of view, its just that the syntax 
> and the way you think about everything is greatly different 
> compared to other languages. I've never stuggled so much with 
> another one, -but- I see that when (not
> if) I get a handle on this that the development timeline goes 
> from months to weeks maybe even days. 
> I get ahead by looking at other revolution code ie: 3party 
> functions etc... and look and how the syntax is written. One 
> large searchable/nav stack (library) would be of -huge- 
> benefit to newbies like me. Joining this list is another 
> necessity as well.

This is where Marielle's site will be so useful.  Finding everything
one needs in one spot is the best way I know of assisting newbie coders.
I've come from and IDE where everything (code wise) is openly available.
Sure - some of it is (actually there is a lot) of commercial solutions
too.  To just "get the job done" is possible with twenty minutes of
searching and checking the results.  Searching for many Rev resources
is much harder.

Scott


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RE: Rev on Universal Binary

[Jesse Sng]

Thank you for taking the time to explain it.  It's the
fist I've heard of Rosetta.

Scott


It's supposed to run really fast on the new Macs and that's the only 
reason why Apple can release their Intel Macs so soon without fear of 
incompatible software or the lack of upgrades.



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RE: Rev on Universal Binary

[Scott Kane]

> It's supposed to run really fast on the new Macs and that's the only 
> reason why Apple can release their Intel Macs so soon without fear of 
> incompatible software or the lack of upgrades.

I was wondering how they were going to achieve that...

Scott


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Re: Needed: A shortcut to help user install downloaded fonts

[Chipp Walters]

Kresten,

We've just finished developemnt on the altFont external which will allow 
Mac and PC users to embed fonts with their applications. They are 
temporarily installed until:


1) The developer removes them or;
2) The OS restarts

We're currently testing them and will have them for sale at Altuit shortly.

best,

Chipp

Kresten Bjerg wrote:

HI
After the long discussion on font installation in March,(3/3/05 - 30/3/05) and 
my  (unanswered) posting last week on the same topic, I got the following idea:
If a downloadable standalone / with an installer/ comes in a folder, in which  my 
fontsuite is included, couldnt  an answer dialogue be constructed, which - (when 
invoked by users clicking a button)  by itself, and without the users browsing, 
could locate the (WIN or MAC) OS fontfolder, and - on users accept -  simply move 
the included fontsuite to that folder. Its a onetime event, and the intricacies of  
"using the 'ext.dll', installing the fonts as custom properties etc , which I 
cant understand, and which seems to involve cross platform intricacies, could 
perhaps be avoided.
Of course one could also instruct the user to "manually" copy the dowloaded  fontsuite 
to the OS fontfolder, - but the standalone is meant for users who might not know what a font or a folder is.

I guess the handlers for doing this on windows and on macs  will be slightly 
different, - but can it be done on both systems ?- and ... frankly: can someone 
on the list help with the necessary commands in such answer dialogues.?
(That the user will have to restart before using is no problem).


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Universal Binaries and the 2.7 cycle

[Mathewson]

1. Am I right in assuming that RR 2.7.* will be a 'pay'
upgrade rather than a free one, as it involves a
significant feature upgrade (Universal Binaries) ?

2. Presumably 'Universal Binaries' refers to Standalones
only, and a stack authored on Dreamcard 2.6.1 will be
directly transferable to an Intel-Mac where it may be
played using a DC 2.7.* player ? One of the MOST FANTASTIC
THINGS about RR is that the stacks are universal "already".

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
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Off Topic / On Topic: Those Yahoo Groups ?

[Mathewson]

After the "November/December Cafuffle" over what was and
what was not the acceptable topic-range on the RR use-list
Richard Gaskin set up a rev-biz Yahoo group and I set up a
rev-Graphics group - and they died a rapid and perhaps
predictable death.

I would be grateful if users could e-mail me directly (i.e.
don't clog-up this list again) as to whether those Yahoo
Groups are worth maintaining or should be "flushed down the
toilet of history" - they are probably due for the
trashcan; but . . .

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