Re: Valentina

[Stephen Barncard]

Bob,
Check out Trevor Devore's DB library. "A database abstraction library 
written in Transcript:


http://mangomultimedia.com/developer/revolution/

libDatabase 2.0 - Tested with altSQLite 2 and 3, MySQL, PostGreSQL, 
Valentina 1.x local. Prelinary testing done for Valentina 2.x 
local/server. Download stack, Getting Started pdf and documentation.

2.0.2.9

It spoke to me well, and enabled me to 'get on with the interface'. 
After using it once I donated immediately - but they're free - no 
obligation.


Actually the S in SQL stands for 'Structured' not Simple.

sqb


Hi all.

Is anyone with something less than a doctorate in highly complex 
programming languages using Valentina succesfully? What I am looking 
for is something I can use to EASILY create indexed tables and then 
quickly find, edit and update those tables. I know SQL has become 
the standard way of doing things, but the "S" is ANYTHING but 
SIMPLE, especially when it comes to querys. Maybe it's just the 
manuals are not very clear. I get most of it in principle, but I 
simply cannot take the time to learn a few hundred more functions at 
this point. I need to get to work on the INTERFACE. To do that, I 
need to make tables for the data. I will need to do that 
programmatically later.


I suppose if someone knows a better reference for Valentina then 
those horribly writtten manuals they provide it would be a HUGE 
start! Otherwise I am going to have to write off the money I spent 
for Valentina and find something else.


Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM



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RE: Linux Engine Licensing - Please Read

[Lynn Fredricks]

>  From the website Richard pointed you to:
> 
> "It can be used to run .mt scripts similar to the way the 
> UNIX engines run them, and so can be used to develop CGI 
> applications on Win32 systems with HTTP servers that support 
> stdio-based communication.
> 
> As is the case for UNIX console-mode development, there are 
> no script length limits in this engine, and use of this 
> engine free but unsupported."
> 
> Probably a good thing to know. I didn't.

Thanks Phil and Chipp, Ill check it out and see how that works with current
licensing.

In the meantimesome other news just posted :-)

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd


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Valentina

[Robert Sneidar]

Hi all.

Is anyone with something less than a doctorate in highly complex  
programming languages using Valentina succesfully? What I am looking  
for is something I can use to EASILY create indexed tables and then  
quickly find, edit and update those tables. I know SQL has become the  
standard way of doing things, but the "S" is ANYTHING but SIMPLE,  
especially when it comes to querys. Maybe it's just the manuals are  
not very clear. I get most of it in principle, but I simply cannot  
take the time to learn a few hundred more functions at this point. I  
need to get to work on the INTERFACE. To do that, I need to make  
tables for the data. I will need to do that programmatically later.


I suppose if someone knows a better reference for Valentina then  
those horribly writtten manuals they provide it would be a HUGE  
start! Otherwise I am going to have to write off the money I spent  
for Valentina and find something else.


Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

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Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media; Announce Revolution Forums

[Lynn Fredricks]

Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media

New Interactive, Rich Media Product for Designers

April 8, 2006. Edinburgh, Scotland. Runtime Revolution Ltd, the leader in
multi-platform rich media and application development tools, announces the
release of Revolution Media. In addition, Runtime Revolution introduces new
support forums for all products, including specialized, per-project forums
for Revolution Media.

Revolution Media lets digital production designers, artists and interactive
media specialists create rich media projects, then deploy them on Mac OS X
and Windows - all from the same project. There is no easier path to
interactive media for graphics designers.

Revolution Media includes features that designers want:

Easy visual creation of media projects and utilities. Drag-create visuals:
buttons, windows, information boxes, lists, players and more. Projects and
utilities can be played back against a customizable backdrop - using
Revolution Player - on Windows and MacOS X.

Step up to Revolution scripting. English-like Revolution is the easiest
scripting language available - easier than Javascript or Flash ActionScript.
Yet Revolution features all the modern language features that any developer
would expect.

Stunning blending and transitions. All objects, from buttons to windows, can
have animated, interactive blending and transparency, with over 20 new blend
modes. Supports windows of any shape and effects on windows/dialogs,
including alpha masks.

Powerful media engine with anti-aliased vector support. New anti-aliased
vector graphics presentation layer. Supports advanced QuickTimeT
interactivity for playback of video, audio and more. Text-to-Speech,
video/audio capture, printing, and loading/displaying media from a website
barely scratch the surface on what projects can include.

Focused Starter Projects. Take a stack of graphics and transform them into a
slideshow presentation, kiosk or artist's digital portfolio. Turn your
pictures instantly into a point-and-click adventure game. It comes with
source code of all four templates you can modify for your own projects.

Revolution Media costs $49. Learn more about Revolution Media at
http://revmedia.runrev.com. Media can also be upgraded to Revolution Studio
and Revolution Enterprise.

Runtime Revolution also introduces new support and learning forums at
http://forums.runrev.com. The new forums are set up by level so that those
new to rich media can find exactly the information they want and need to
extend their skill sets.

About Runtime Revolution

Founded in 1997, Runtime Revolution focuses on bringing user-centric
software development to all major platforms: Windows, Macintosh, Linux, and
Unix. The company is based in Edinburgh, Scotland. For more information on
Runtime Revolution, please visit the company on the web at
http://www.runrev.com or http://www.tenthumbstypingtutor.com.


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Re: dreamhost and Rev CGI?

[Dan Shafer]

Yep, I'm using what purports to be Linux engine 2.6. Still no joy but I have
given up until I get an answer from Dreamhost.

On 4/7/06, Sivakatirswami <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We are running 2.6 on linux Fedora Core 3 without any problems...
> and those libs are definitely not our our box.  I just moved to a new
> server in San Franscisco. it was "drag and drop" for me. As long as
> you set permissions correctly it should work.
>
> OH! it must be 2.6 and *NOT* 2.6.1 the later requires the libs, the
> former does not. Andre thought i had done some magic after he spent
> some hours trying to get it work on our new box.. and just on a hunch
> I move the one we had on the old box (I figured it was working so it
> shouldwork on another box...) over  to /usr/local/bin/  and CHMOD 755
> and CGI began working right away... well guess what:
>
> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/cgi-bin/checkRevEngine.cgi
>
> 2.6
>
> not 2.6.1 which will fail.
>
> if you need the .tar I'm using I can post it to our server (oops is
> that allowed?)
>
> I think I got lucky because I could not find a 2.6 on Rev site onloy
> 2.6.1 and if I didn't have that old copy we would be in big trouble
>
> Sivakatirswami
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 07, 2006, at 2:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
> > Dan Shafer wrote:
> >> SO I uploaded the Linux 2.6 engine. Now I get even worse results.
> >> Attempting
> >> to execute the CGI from the Terminal produces a bus error. No
> >> other useful
> >> information.
> >> I'm completely in the dark.
> >
> > A lot of people spend waaay too much time trying to figure
> > out how to get Rev to work on a server.
> >
> > If RunRev Ltd. ever takes an interest in evangelizing the Rev
> > engine as a server solution, they should change it so it no longer
> > requires non-standard libraries it doesn't use.
> >
> >
> > In the meantime, there's always Tierra.net -- sign up and ask to be
> > hosted on server farm 2, which they maintain pre-configured for
> > Rev
> >
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Re: dreamhost and Rev CGI?

[Dan Shafer]

Thanks, Thomas

1. I followed your directions. I still get a bus error trying to execute the
simplest CGI.

2. The page you pointed me to for the Linux engine -- which I think I have
anyway -- is a 404.

On 4/7/06, Thomas McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I started using Dreamhost and rev cgi about a month or two ago. No
> problem.
> 1. create a folder named "cgi-bin"
> 2. get the linux rev engine from runrev
> 3. upload it and set the permission to 755
>
> "fiat accompli"
>
> Note 1: you will need the libURL stack if you want your cgi scripts to
> post. Also, the latest libURL won't work because of an incapatability with
> the Linux engine. It's easy enough to fix. Two lines need to be commented
> out. I can't remember which they were. You might want to search the revlist.
> Dave Cragg helped with this.
>
> Note 2: I just looked at the rev site and the linux engine doesn't seem to
> be there or I'm looking in the wrong place. If you need it, I can email it
> to you. or better... I just zipped a copy (using mac OSX) and put on my
> dreamhost site:
> http://www.discamus.com/revolution.zip
>
> Hope that helps,
> tm
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Re: dreamhost and Rev CGI?

[Sivakatirswami]

We are running 2.6 on linux Fedora Core 3 without any problems...   
and those libs are definitely not our our box.  I just moved to a new  
server in San Franscisco. it was "drag and drop" for me. As long as  
you set permissions correctly it should work.


OH! it must be 2.6 and *NOT* 2.6.1 the later requires the libs, the  
former does not. Andre thought i had done some magic after he spent  
some hours trying to get it work on our new box.. and just on a hunch  
I move the one we had on the old box (I figured it was working so it  
shouldwork on another box...) over  to /usr/local/bin/  and CHMOD 755  
and CGI began working right away... well guess what:


http://www.himalayanacademy.com/cgi-bin/checkRevEngine.cgi

2.6

not 2.6.1 which will fail.

if you need the .tar I'm using I can post it to our server (oops is  
that allowed?)


I think I got lucky because I could not find a 2.6 on Rev site onloy  
2.6.1 and if I didn't have that old copy we would be in big trouble


Sivakatirswami







On Apr 07, 2006, at 2:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Dan Shafer wrote:
SO I uploaded the Linux 2.6 engine. Now I get even worse results.  
Attempting
to execute the CGI from the Terminal produces a bus error. No  
other useful

information.
I'm completely in the dark.


A lot of people spend waaay too much time trying to figure  
out how to get Rev to work on a server.


If RunRev Ltd. ever takes an interest in evangelizing the Rev  
engine as a server solution, they should change it so it no longer  
requires non-standard libraries it doesn't use.



In the meantime, there's always Tierra.net -- sign up and ask to be  
hosted on server farm 2, which they maintain pre-configured for  
Rev


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Re: How long does one put up with crashing?

[Curry]

I'm not using 2.7 yet, but using an older version on Windows sometimes I have 
crashed--in my case for some reason it was often when changing tools, between 
browse and select tool.

I find it best to save often. That turns a potential disaster into just a 
headache.

Also in my case, the standalones are stable. (Maybe no changing tools!) :-)

BTW, I'm sorry to hear that the latest version can still be crashy on Windows.

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>like RunRev Studio 2.7 does. I've seen Alpha releases
>that crash less times.
>
>I've been developing commercial software for 14 years,
>with a different product, and have never seen the likes
>of this before.
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Re: Merde happens, but not here (yet)

[Dan Shafer]

I got the download just fine. OS X 10.4.6, Firefox 1.5.0.1.

On 4/7/06, Bob Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
> >Bug report:
>
> The link to  on
>  is 404.
>
> >Merde happens.
>
> Thanks Richard, I'm on it right away. But since I don't get a 404 from
> here, I'm not sure what to do next.
>
> Perhaps you kind List folks would be kind enough to click on the link
> for me and see whether it offers you a download or a 404, and then let
> me know the result.
>
> Looking at my website stats, I can confirm that a few 404s are reported
> each month, but I have always attributed them to passing unfavourable
> conditions on the Internet itself. Any ideas about other causes?
>
> Bob Warren
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Re: Linux Engine Licensing - Please Read

[Chipp Walters]

Lynn Fredricks wrote:


- do not download it.

If someone has a EULA linked to a particular version of the engine that
expressly allows this, send it to me ASAP - I am easily convinced by
previously issued EULAs.


From the website Richard pointed you to:

"It can be used to run .mt scripts similar
to the way the UNIX engines run them, and so can be used to develop
CGI applications on Win32 systems with HTTP servers that support
stdio-based communication.

As is the case for UNIX console-mode development, there are no script
length limits in this engine, and use of this engine free but
unsupported."

Probably a good thing to know. I didn't.

-Chipp

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RE: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

[Scott Kane]

> Now, now Ken, you know that is hard to believe. We do not 
> have rabies  
> here in wombat's own country.

Exactly.  But you do have to watch for their bite.  Being
venomous and all...   ;-)

Scott

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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

[David Vaughan]

On 08/04/2006, at 0:50, David Burgun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


One way of
putting it is that the boundaries of capability have been pushed
over the years while the rise in bugs has been disproportionately  
low.


Over what years are you talking about? I really can't see this, for
instance:

When I first started in programming we used assembler on Mini-
Computers.. Back then, programmers used to get paid a
bonus for shipping bug free code, that bonus would decrease as the
bug count increased. It was even possible to go into negative bonus
which would be subtracted from bonus of the next project.


Sounds a fine idea but alas you are off my point. I understand QA  
processes very well. Your mini-computer/assembler example is  
inevitably of a simpler system compared with those one can readily  
create today in languages such as Rev. Yes, assembler programming is  
complex (been there, done that) but the delivered functionality of a  
3GL or later language is light years beyond what you and I were doing  
with kerosene-powered computers and rice-paper Hollerith cards.  
Complexity and errors per function point rise with the measurable  
size of the software whereas small, simple applications are simple to  
make relatively bug free. Despite that, the rate of errors per  
function point declines with more powerful languages, and those  
languages enable the delivery of applications of a complexity which  
could not reasonably be done thirty years ago. Hence my point that  
capabilities have extended at a disproportionately low error rate.   
Simple, and well established from industry benchmarks in at least the  
last twenty five years.


When I first started of the Mac, the software was must more robust
and bug free.

Not in my experience :-)
As Richard said elsewhere, perhaps my usage and environment exposed  
bugs you did not see, and now our positions are reversed.


Which brings me to Bob Warren's comment about ignoring bugs. I  
promise faithfully I do not ignore them, I just do not encounter  
significant bugs in my use of the IDE on OS X 10.4.5 with a zillion  
other applications running. I can not comment on Linux. When I find  
what I think is a bug I start by searching my own actions, maybe ask  
this list for help, see if someone else has it on Bugzilla and if not  
then I will raise it thanks to Ken's Revzilla interface. I have no  
current bugs in Bugzilla.


All the Best
Dave

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Re: dreamhost and Rev CGI?

[J. Landman Gay]

Richard Gaskin wrote:


Why is it I see more people who don't know how they got subscribed to 
Rev lists than I've ever seen on any discussion list in 20 years?


Does Rev have some 6-point nanosquint type on their download form that 
says they'll subscribe people unless they say not to? (always a had 
choice to have a loss of control over the customer's in-box be the default)


Or does the company somehow attract a disproportionate number of people 
suffering from a severe memory disorder?



The latter, I think. I just visited the trial download page. There are 
two checkboxes there, one to join the announcement list, the other to 
join the use-rev list. Neither are checked by default. They are located 
directly under the place where you enter your email (required to get a 
temporary license key.)


The only way people can be subscribed here is if they clicked that 
checkbox on purpose. I vote for memory disorder.


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Re: Merde happens, but not here (yet)

[J. Landman Gay]

Bob Warren wrote:
I am a bit tired after my day's ordeals: a few hours ago 
I had to negociate the release of my supposedly kidnapped son - pay up 
R$50.000 or they'd kill him on the spot kind of drama. Luckily, it 
turned out to be not a hoax but criminal action just to extract the 
money, as my son was not really in the hands of the kidnappers, or so I 
eventually found out.


Oh god, how horrible! You must be a wreck. It makes our little squabbles 
here look insignificant.


Take care of yourself, life is too short.

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Re: Linux Engine Licensing - Please Read

[Phil Davis]

Lynn Fredricks wrote:
If someone has a EULA linked to a particular version of the engine 
that expressly allows this, send it to me ASAP - I am 
easily convinced by previously issued EULAs.


Er, scriptLimits?

See: ftp.metacard.com

...for a clue to a simpler and more mutually profitable world


I don't think Ive ever seen a Richard mail quite this short :-)
So what file do you want me to look at?



It's gotta be the 'readme.cmc' file which says in part:

> As is the case for UNIX console-mode development, there are no script
> length limits in this engine, and use of this engine free but
> unsupported.

Point being, for server-side MC Unix & Win32 engine use 'the 
scriptLimits' property was set to 0, indicating no limit.


Phil Davis


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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

[David Vaughan]

On 08/04/2006, at 8:48, Ken Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:



Oh, Yeah? Well WE had to walk 35 miles through a raging snowstorm  
with only
flipflops and snorkles while juggling crazed rabid wombats and  
breathing

sulphur just to LOOK at a cardboard computer!

;-)

Ken Ray


Now, now Ken, you know that is hard to believe. We do not have rabies  
here in wombat's own country.


David
David
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Re: Merde happens, but not here (yet)

[Bob Warren]

On 4/8/06, Bob Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>>  >Bug report:
>>
>> The link to  on
>>  is 404.
>>
>>  >Merde happens.
>>
>> Thanks Richard, I'm on it right away. But since I don't get a 404 from
>> here, I'm not sure what to do next.
>>
>> Perhaps you kind List folks would be kind enough to click on the link
>> for me and see whether it offers you a download or a 404, and then let
>> me know the result.

Thanks guys!

Here's the fix report:

I tried doing the download in Windows, and it seemed to work OK. So then 
I had the idea of trying it in Linux and it gave a 404. After several 
unsuccessful experiments with the page itself, it suddenly occurred to 
me to check the actual existence of the file, and lo-and-behold it had 
disappeared! I imagine this must have happened when I changed service 
provider recently, and supposedly everything was copied verbatim to the 
new site. But since the link specified an absolute address to my site, I 
would have thought it impossible that Windows should get it from my 
browser cache instead. We live and learn!


Since I insist on trying to use layers in my pages, using even the same 
browser in a different operating system sometimes causes the positioning 
to go haywire, and I have now noticed this on the above download page in 
Linux. So merde happens twice! If you don't mind, I'll leave that until 
tomorrow, since I am a bit tired after my day's ordeals: a few hours ago 
I had to negociate the release of my supposedly kidnapped son - pay up 
R$50.000 or they'd kill him on the spot kind of drama. Luckily, it 
turned out to be not a hoax but criminal action just to extract the 
money, as my son was not really in the hands of the kidnappers, or so I 
eventually found out. Merde ("merda" in Brazil) does indeed happen! But 
as I said in the title to this thread, "not here yet"! Writing this 
e-mail has unwound me nicely, so now I'll sign off. Nighty-night.


Regards,
Bob



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Re: Eureka! It's late, I'm tired and grouchy and I can't figure out a way to do this!

[Mark Wieder]

Trevor-

Friday, April 7, 2006, 11:15:42 AM, you wrote:

> For what I am doing right now it does as I'm not looking that far
> down in the hierarchy.  I'm just getting the group that an object  
> belongs to, so the delete technique has worked out since it just  
> deletes the object from the long id (or name).  The full path,  
> including the substack, is left intact.

I've started (in the last couple of days) getting the long id, then

put the long id of someObject into tLongID
replace " of " with comma in tLongID
set the itemDelimiter to comma
-- turn the file path into a stack name
put item -1 of tLongID into tPath
put the name of tPath into item -1 of tLongiD

and treating this as a set of items.

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RE: Linux Engine Licensing - Please Read

[Lynn Fredricks]

> > If someone has a EULA linked to a particular version of the engine 
> > that expressly allows this, send it to me ASAP - I am 
> easily convinced 
> > by previously issued EULAs.
> 
> Er, scriptLimits?
> 
> See: ftp.metacard.com
> 
> ...for a clue to a simpler and more mutually profitable world

I don't think Ive ever seen a Richard mail quite this short :-)

So what file do you want me to look at?

Best regards,


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creating my own tools palette

[Xeubie Tsu]

Hello, I'm new to rev. Could someone let me know how to create my own tools 
palette with my own custom tools? I imagine I'd need some graphics program 
to draw the objects and such.


Thanks,
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Re: Linux Engine Licensing - Please Read

[Richard Gaskin]

Lynn wrote:


I do not believe the Linux engine
was expressly licensed to be freely distributed by third parties in this way
- do not download it.

If someone has a EULA linked to a particular version of the engine that
expressly allows this, send it to me ASAP - I am easily convinced by
previously issued EULAs.


Er, scriptLimits?

See: ftp.metacard.com

...for a clue to a simpler and more mutually profitable world

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Linux Engine Licensing - Please Read

[Lynn Fredricks]

Hello all,

I just spotted Tom's link for the engine. I do not believe the Linux engine
was expressly licensed to be freely distributed by third parties in this way
- do not download it.

If someone has a EULA linked to a particular version of the engine that
expressly allows this, send it to me ASAP - I am easily convinced by
previously issued EULAs.

Others have already asked me about the state of the Linux engine and my
reading of the current EULA is that if you hold a legal license you are
allowed to upload it for your own use to a server.

If you add up the facts you'll figure out something is happening with Linux.
Please be patient, you will be rewarded.

Best regards,


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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

[Bob Warren]

Garrett Hylltun wrote:

>Have you ever dropped a stack of a thousand or so punch cards!?  That
was the last time I ever dropped a stack.  Took me weeks to put the
stack back in order before I could run it through the reader.

Yes, and worse. On one occasion I was feeding in trays and trays of 
cards that represented free gifts to the clients. Although I was always 
very methodical and careful when doing this, somehow, I don't know how, 
I fed in a tray (or more?) of cards twice. As a result, about 10,000 
customers got their rather expensive gifts in duplicate! Needless to 
say, proper statistical controls were implemented by my department 
afterwards. It turned out to be quite didactic.


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Re: dreamhost and Rev CGI?

[Thomas McCarthy]

I started using Dreamhost and rev cgi about a month or two ago. No problem.
1. create a folder named "cgi-bin"
2. get the linux rev engine from runrev
3. upload it and set the permission to 755

"fiat accompli"

Note 1: you will need the libURL stack if you want your cgi scripts to post. 
Also, the latest libURL won't work because of an incapatability with the Linux 
engine. It's easy enough to fix. Two lines need to be commented out. I can't 
remember which they were. You might want to search the revlist. Dave Cragg 
helped with this.

Note 2: I just looked at the rev site and the linux engine doesn't seem to be 
there or I'm looking in the wrong place. If you need it, I can email it to you. 
or better... I just zipped a copy (using mac OSX) and put on my dreamhost site:
http://www.discamus.com/revolution.zip

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Merde happens, but not here (yet)

[Bob Warren]

Richard Gaskin wrote:

>Bug report:

The link to  on
 is 404.

>Merde happens.

Thanks Richard, I'm on it right away. But since I don't get a 404 from 
here, I'm not sure what to do next.


Perhaps you kind List folks would be kind enough to click on the link 
for me and see whether it offers you a download or a 404, and then let 
me know the result.


Looking at my website stats, I can confirm that a few 404s are reported 
each month, but I have always attributed them to passing unfavourable 
conditions on the Internet itself. Any ideas about other causes?


Bob Warren

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Re: dreamhost and Rev CGI?

[Richard Gaskin]

Dan Shafer wrote:

SO I uploaded the Linux 2.6 engine. Now I get even worse results. Attempting
to execute the CGI from the Terminal produces a bus error. No other useful
information.

I'm completely in the dark.


A lot of people spend waaay too much time trying to figure out 
how to get Rev to work on a server.


If RunRev Ltd. ever takes an interest in evangelizing the Rev engine as 
a server solution, they should change it so it no longer requires 
non-standard libraries it doesn't use.



In the meantime, there's always Tierra.net -- sign up and ask to be 
hosted on server farm 2, which they maintain pre-configured for Rev


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Re: Software at the Speed of Thought

[Dan Shafer]

Thanks for the kind words, Scott.

On 4/7/06, Scott Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Gotta say I'm disappointed. I just ordered Software at the
> > Speed of Thought for reference as I work on a project over
> > the weekend. Stupid me; I assumed an eBook would be similar
> > to downloading software--pay for it and you're good to go.
> > Nope. Just got the message from RunRev that I can expect them
> > to confirm my order within two working days. Should I expect
> > to wait 4 days, then, considering we're entering a weekend,
> > to receive my eBook? Seems ponderously slow for delivery of a
> > file that could/should be downloadable or sent automatically
> > via email.
>
> I ordered it last month and experienced the same delay.  However
> one thing is for sure.  It is worth the wait!!   :-)
>
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Re: dreamhost and Rev CGI?

[Richard Gaskin]

Why is it I see more people who don't know how they got subscribed to 
Rev lists than I've ever seen on any discussion list in 20 years?


Does Rev have some 6-point nanosquint type on their download form that 
says they'll subscribe people unless they say not to? (always a had 
choice to have a loss of control over the customer's in-box be the default)


Or does the company somehow attract a disproportionate number of people 
suffering from a severe memory disorder?


Curious distinction Rev has going there



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Re: dreamhost and Rev CGI?

[J. Landman Gay]

Dan Shafer wrote:
> OK, here's my INTERIM report.
>
> I no longer get a report in my log file about the missing GLIBC file. 
I take

> that to be good news.
>
> BUT (isn't there always one of those?), I cannot for the life of me 
get my

> simplest CGI to execute. I keep getting the dreaded "unexpected end of
> script headers" error that basically means nothing useful. These CGIs all
> work on my local installation on OS X Apache, so I'm guessing there's 
some

> mysterious configuration problem at Dreamhost that I don't grok yet.

Actually I think that might be good news, depending on what your system 
log reports. Take a look in there. The "end of headers" thing is almost 
always a problem with your script, not the installation.


One main thing that goes wrong when moving scripts from an OS X box to a 
Unix box is that you may not have converted the line endings to Unix. 
Use BBEdit to do that before you upload the script file.


Check permissions, too.

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RE: Software at the Speed of Thought

[Scott Kane]

> Gotta say I'm disappointed. I just ordered Software at the 
> Speed of Thought for reference as I work on a project over 
> the weekend. Stupid me; I assumed an eBook would be similar 
> to downloading software--pay for it and you're good to go. 
> Nope. Just got the message from RunRev that I can expect them 
> to confirm my order within two working days. Should I expect 
> to wait 4 days, then, considering we're entering a weekend, 
> to receive my eBook? Seems ponderously slow for delivery of a 
> file that could/should be downloadable or sent automatically 
> via email.

I ordered it last month and experienced the same delay.  However
one thing is for sure.  It is worth the wait!!   :-)

Scott

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Re: dreamhost and Rev CGI?

[Dan Shafer]

Oops. I made one mistake here myself. I uploaded the OS X engine to
Dreamhost. That clearly ain't gonna work.

SO I uploaded the Linux 2.6 engine. Now I get even worse results. Attempting
to execute the CGI from the Terminal produces a bus error. No other useful
information.

I'm completely in the dark.

On 4/7/06, Dan Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> OK, here's my INTERIM report.
>
> I no longer get a report in my log file about the missing GLIBC file. I
> take that to be good news.
>
> BUT (isn't there always one of those?), I cannot for the life of me get my
> simplest CGI to execute. I keep getting the dreaded "unexpected end of
> script headers" error that basically means nothing useful. These CGIs all
> work on my local installation on OS X Apache, so I'm guessing there's some
> mysterious configuration problem at Dreamhost that I don't grok yet.
>
> I'm sending a note to Dreamhost support but my experience with them on
> stuff that goes beyond "why is email not working?" is that they're not
> always very helpful.
>
> At Dreamhost, you don't have a separate folder for cgi-bin files. CGIs are
> in the same folder with all the rest of your stuff, so I don't think it's a
> pathing issue. But who knows? I spent too much time on this already today.
> I'll let you know what they say if they say anything.
>
>
> On 4/7/06, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Dan Shafer wrote:
> >
> > > At one point, Andre Garzia indicated there was a way around this
> > problem
> > > because Rev CGI didn't really need that file, it was just looking for
> > its
> > > existence. But following instructions, I created an empty file called
> > > GLLIBC2.3 and tried running RevCGI again and again had no luck. I then
> > gave
> > > up.
> >
> > Note that you can't put the file in your own cgi folder, your ISP has to
> > put it in THEIR installation folder. In other words, you have to get
> > them to agree to install an empty file.
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Re: dreamhost and Rev CGI?

[Samuco Med]

Dude, can you please stop sending me this crap?

Please~!

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Re: dreamhost and Rev CGI?

[Dan Shafer]

OK, here's my INTERIM report.

I no longer get a report in my log file about the missing GLIBC file. I take
that to be good news.

BUT (isn't there always one of those?), I cannot for the life of me get my
simplest CGI to execute. I keep getting the dreaded "unexpected end of
script headers" error that basically means nothing useful. These CGIs all
work on my local installation on OS X Apache, so I'm guessing there's some
mysterious configuration problem at Dreamhost that I don't grok yet.

I'm sending a note to Dreamhost support but my experience with them on stuff
that goes beyond "why is email not working?" is that they're not always very
helpful.

At Dreamhost, you don't have a separate folder for cgi-bin files. CGIs are
in the same folder with all the rest of your stuff, so I don't think it's a
pathing issue. But who knows? I spent too much time on this already today.
I'll let you know what they say if they say anything.

On 4/7/06, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dan Shafer wrote:
>
> > At one point, Andre Garzia indicated there was a way around this problem
> > because Rev CGI didn't really need that file, it was just looking for
> its
> > existence. But following instructions, I created an empty file called
> > GLLIBC2.3 and tried running RevCGI again and again had no luck. I then
> gave
> > up.
>
> Note that you can't put the file in your own cgi folder, your ISP has to
> put it in THEIR installation folder. In other words, you have to get
> them to agree to install an empty file.
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Re: [OT] why eating your own haggis is not too bad for a companybased in Scotland

[David Vaughan]

On 08/04/2006, at 0:50, "Scott Kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I wonder if it beats roo meat or crocodile?  I've had both
and they were excellent.


Crocodile is excellent, better than kangaroo and emu although there  
is nothing wrong with kangaroo. I think emu can be a bit tough. The  
kangaroo and the emu are on Australia's coat of arms, so we can at  
least claim the distinction that we eat out own national emblems.


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Re: Changing the screen resolution...

[Peter Reid]

Thanks Ken, just the ticket!

Cheers

Peter


On 4/7/06 2:37 PM, "Peter Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 I get the result:


 /bin/sh: line 1: /Users/peter/Desktop/screen sizer/support/cscreen -x
 1600 -y 1200 -s 1: No such file or directory


The problem is you have a space in your path that needs to be escaped. Try
this:

put "/Users/peter/Desktop/screen\ sizer/support/cscreen -x 1600 -y 1200 -s
1" into tCmd
get shell(tCmd)

Here's a general purpose function you can use to format paths for use with
Unix (and Windows for that matter):

function stsFormatPath pPath,pPlatform
  -- assumes a full "/"-delimited path
  switch pPlatform
  case "MacOSX"
  case "Unix"
put "\" & space & quote & "'`<>!;()[]?#$^&*=" into tSpecialChars
repeat for each char tChar in tSpecialChars
  replace tChar with ("\" & tChar) in pPath
end repeat
break
  case "Win32"
set the itemDel to "/"
put item -1 of pPath into tFile
put "\/:*?" & quote & "<>|" into tSpecialChars
repeat for each char tChar in tSpecialChars
  replace tChar with ("-") in tFile
end repeat
put tFile into item -1 of pPath
replace "/" with "\" in pPath
break
  end switch
  return pPath
end stsFormatPath

Have fun!

Ken Ray
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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

[Garrett Hylltun]

Bob Warren wrote:


Another thing that gets me worked up (but not from your post) is 
people citing their curriculum vitae before telling us that we ought 
to swallow great excesses of bugs because somehow it is "natural and 
normal" nowadays. In actual fact, I was hand-punching machine language 
bootstrap routines on Hollerith cards before these people were even born. 


Have you ever dropped a stack of a thousand or so punch cards!?  That 
was the last time I ever dropped a stack.  Took me weeks to put the 
stack back in order before I could run it through the reader.  :-(


-Garrett
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Re: How to create hypertext links

[Dave Cragg]

On 7 Apr 2006, at 23:36, Dave Cragg wrote:


  set the htmlText of field 1 to "The rain in Spain  
falls mainly in the plains."


That was a pretty poor piece of scripting. :-)

  put "The rain in Spain falls mainly in the plains." after tString
  set the htmlText of field 1 to tString

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Re: How to create hypertext links

[Dave Cragg]

On 7 Apr 2006, at 22:42, Bob Wilson wrote:

I have a situation where I need to load forms with text that  
includes links.

Right now, they are stored in the source database as follows:

The rain in Spain falls mainly in the plains.

The text to be hyperlinked is "rain in Spain".  The  and   
are not to

be displayed.

I can't find anything in the Revolution documentation that describes
hypertext-like characters that I can preload in the text stream to  
create

linked text segments.

So my question is - what's the best way to load this text and  
create linked

segments while I'm loading it.


It depends on exactly how you want to use the link, but take a look  
at linkText and linkClicked in the docs.


The simplest way would be just to replace the  and  with   
and  respectively. Then set the htmlText of the field to the  
string. For example:


   set the htmlText of field 1 to "The rain in Spain falls  
mainly in the plains."


The will display the link with an underline. If you click on the  
link, the linkClicked message will be sent to the field, passing  
"rain in Spain" as a parameter.


If you'd rather the linkClicked message was sent something else as a  
parameter (an index number, for example) you could set alternative  
linkText like this:


  set the htmlText of field 1 to "The rain in Spain  
falls mainly in the plains."


Then in the field script, you would have a linkClicked handler like  
this (this assumes there will be other link text in the field, and  
that teh links are set up as in the first exampe above.)


  on linkClicked pLinkText
 switch pLinkText
case "rain in Spain"
  play audioclip "rineinspine" ## or whatever
break
case "she sells"
  play audioclip "sea shells"
   break
 end switch
  end linkClicked

There are some restrictions on the use of the linkClicked message. I  
think the field has to be locked, and it won't work with a list field.


Cheers
Dave
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Re: dreamhost and Rev CGI?

[J. Landman Gay]

Dan Shafer wrote:


At one point, Andre Garzia indicated there was a way around this problem
because Rev CGI didn't really need that file, it was just looking for its
existence. But following instructions, I created an empty file called
GLLIBC2.3 and tried running RevCGI again and again had no luck. I then gave
up.


Note that you can't put the file in your own cgi folder, your ISP has to 
put it in THEIR installation folder. In other words, you have to get 
them to agree to install an empty file.


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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

[Marty Knapp]

When I was a kid, I had to walk clear across the room to turn on the TV!

Marty Knapp



On 4/7/06 3:36 PM, "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

I'm so old my first computer was made of cardboard. Heck, we had to
'punch out' the cardboard parts just to build it (and we did this all by
candlelight as electricity wasn't invented yet). We wouldv'e given
anything to play with those fancy Hollerith card-punch machines.



Oh, Yeah? Well WE had to walk 35 miles through a raging snowstorm with only
flipflops and snorkles while juggling crazed rabid wombats and breathing
sulphur just to LOOK at a cardboard computer!

;-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: Software at the Speed of Thought

[Lynn Fredricks]

> Gotta say I'm disappointed. I just ordered Software at the 
> Speed of Thought for reference as I work on a project over 
> the weekend. Stupid me; I assumed an eBook would be similar 
> to downloading software--pay for it and you're good to go. 
> Nope. Just got the message from RunRev that I can expect them 
> to confirm my order within two working days. Should I expect 
> to wait 4 days, then, considering we're entering a weekend, 
> to receive my eBook? Seems ponderously slow for delivery of a 
> file that could/should be downloadable or sent automatically 
> via email.

Orders are usually processed the same day, unless there is some issue with
the order itself.

A lot of vendors keep a tight leash on orders to reduce the number of
fraudulent orders.

Most likely if it isnt processed over the weekend it will get taken care of
Monday morning.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd


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Re: Constellation on Linux

[Mark Talluto]

On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:43 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:


Any word/idea on how the current release of Constellation behaves on
2.7under OS X? I've been hesitating to upgrade to
2.7 because of all the "issues" I've read about and I don't really  
*need*

any of the features new in 2.7 for my apps but I'm also by nature a
bleeding-edge guy so I'd shift to 2.7 if I was sure Constellation  
worked

there.



I have been using in on a daily basis in 2.7 and have found it to be  
great!



Mark Talluto
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Re: dreamhost and Rev CGI?

[Phil Davis]

Thanks, Dan & Ken. I'll be watching for the report.

Phil


Dan Shafer wrote:

The missing file is called GLIBC2.3. I tried this first in June 2005 and the
answer I got from Dreamhost support was that they were astonished that Rev
required 2.3. They were then at 2.2 and said very few ISPs had gone to
2.3because it wasn't considered stable yet. THen they indicated they
would
upgrade to 3.1 some time that summer.

At one point, Andre Garzia indicated there was a way around this problem
because Rev CGI didn't really need that file, it was just looking for its
existence. But following instructions, I created an empty file called
GLLIBC2.3 and tried running RevCGI again and again had no luck. I then gave
up.

I'm going to go give this another try just to see what the current situation
is and I'll report back.

On 4/7/06, Ken Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 4/7/06 4:19 PM, "Dan Shafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Phil..

Bad news, dude. As far as I can tell, you CANNOT get a Rev CGI to work


on


Dreamhost. There's a missing C compiler or file of some sort on which


the


engine is dependent. I've asked Dreamhost support to help me but their
answer is that the missing item is badly outdated and they don't intend


to


revert to that support. They pointed the finger back at RunRev.


Well, if they know what it is, I can download it from my host, Hostway,
that
fully supports Rev CGIs... Any idea what it is?


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Software at the Speed of Thought

[Sieg Lindstrom]

Gotta say I'm disappointed. I just ordered Software at the Speed of Thought
for reference as I work on a project over the weekend. Stupid me; I assumed
an eBook would be similar to downloading software--pay for it and you're
good to go. Nope. Just got the message from RunRev that I can expect them to
confirm my order within two working days. Should I expect to wait 4 days,
then, considering we're entering a weekend, to receive my eBook? Seems
ponderously slow for delivery of a file that could/should be downloadable or
sent automatically via email.

Sieg Lindstrom



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Re: dreamhost and Rev CGI?

[Dan Shafer]

The missing file is called GLIBC2.3. I tried this first in June 2005 and the
answer I got from Dreamhost support was that they were astonished that Rev
required 2.3. They were then at 2.2 and said very few ISPs had gone to
2.3because it wasn't considered stable yet. THen they indicated they
would
upgrade to 3.1 some time that summer.

At one point, Andre Garzia indicated there was a way around this problem
because Rev CGI didn't really need that file, it was just looking for its
existence. But following instructions, I created an empty file called
GLLIBC2.3 and tried running RevCGI again and again had no luck. I then gave
up.

I'm going to go give this another try just to see what the current situation
is and I'll report back.

On 4/7/06, Ken Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 4/7/06 4:19 PM, "Dan Shafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Phil..
> >
> > Bad news, dude. As far as I can tell, you CANNOT get a Rev CGI to work
> on
> > Dreamhost. There's a missing C compiler or file of some sort on which
> the
> > engine is dependent. I've asked Dreamhost support to help me but their
> > answer is that the missing item is badly outdated and they don't intend
> to
> > revert to that support. They pointed the finger back at RunRev.
>
> Well, if they know what it is, I can download it from my host, Hostway,
> that
> fully supports Rev CGIs... Any idea what it is?
>
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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How to create hypertext links

[Bob Wilson]

I have a situation where I need to load forms with text that includes links.
Right now, they are stored in the source database as follows:

 

The rain in Spain falls mainly in the plains.

 

The text to be hyperlinked is "rain in Spain".  The  and  are not to
be displayed.  

 

I can't find anything in the Revolution documentation that describes
hypertext-like characters that I can preload in the text stream to create
linked text segments.

 

So my question is - what's the best way to load this text and create linked
segments while I'm loading it.

 

Thanks in advance for any help

 

Bob Wilson

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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

[Ken Ray]

On 4/7/06 3:36 PM, "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm so old my first computer was made of cardboard. Heck, we had to
> 'punch out' the cardboard parts just to build it (and we did this all by
> candlelight as electricity wasn't invented yet). We wouldv'e given
> anything to play with those fancy Hollerith card-punch machines.

Oh, Yeah? Well WE had to walk 35 miles through a raging snowstorm with only
flipflops and snorkles while juggling crazed rabid wombats and breathing
sulphur just to LOOK at a cardboard computer!

;-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: dreamhost and Rev CGI?

[Ken Ray]

On 4/7/06 4:19 PM, "Dan Shafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Phil..
> 
> Bad news, dude. As far as I can tell, you CANNOT get a Rev CGI to work on
> Dreamhost. There's a missing C compiler or file of some sort on which the
> engine is dependent. I've asked Dreamhost support to help me but their
> answer is that the missing item is badly outdated and they don't intend to
> revert to that support. They pointed the finger back at RunRev.

Well, if they know what it is, I can download it from my host, Hostway, that
fully supports Rev CGIs... Any idea what it is?


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Changing the screen resolution...

[Ken Ray]

On 4/7/06 2:37 PM, "Peter Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I get the result:
> 
> /bin/sh: line 1: /Users/peter/Desktop/screen sizer/support/cscreen -x
> 1600 -y 1200 -s 1: No such file or directory

The problem is you have a space in your path that needs to be escaped. Try
this:

put "/Users/peter/Desktop/screen\ sizer/support/cscreen -x 1600 -y 1200 -s
1" into tCmd
get shell(tCmd)

Here's a general purpose function you can use to format paths for use with
Unix (and Windows for that matter):

function stsFormatPath pPath,pPlatform
  -- assumes a full "/"-delimited path
  switch pPlatform
  case "MacOSX"
  case "Unix"
put "\" & space & quote & "'`<>!;()[]?#$^&*=" into tSpecialChars
repeat for each char tChar in tSpecialChars
  replace tChar with ("\" & tChar) in pPath
end repeat
break
  case "Win32"
set the itemDel to "/"
put item -1 of pPath into tFile
put "\/:*?" & quote & "<>|" into tSpecialChars
repeat for each char tChar in tSpecialChars
  replace tChar with ("-") in tFile
end repeat
put tFile into item -1 of pPath
replace "/" with "\" in pPath
break
  end switch
  return pPath
end stsFormatPath

Have fun!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: How long does one put up with crashing? - reply

[Dave Cragg]

On 7 Apr 2006, at 21:19, Chipp Walters wrote:


But, then there's another problem (at least for me). Currently, I'd  
like

to get my hands on a 2.6.6 version of Rev. But the latest installer I
have is 2.6.1, which when properly online updated, goes to 2.6.6 (bug
fixes mostly). But, because the online update now only points to 2.7,
how does one go about getting the update to 2.6.6? Is there  
somewhere an

archived version of 2.6.6 and if so, where?


Chipp, are you talking about engine version numbers or Rev App  
version numbers? The reason I'm asking is that I don't recall a Rev  
App of version of 2.6.6.


The latest pre-2.7 version I have here is 2.6.1, which has an engine  
versione of 2.6.6.


The 2.6.1 engine version is what shipped with Rev 2.5.

(As of 2.7, the engine and app versions are the same, thank goodness.)

Cheers
Dave
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Re: dreamhost and Rev CGI?

[Dan Shafer]

Phil..

Bad news, dude. As far as I can tell, you CANNOT get a Rev CGI to work on
Dreamhost. There's a missing C compiler or file of some sort on which the
engine is dependent. I've asked Dreamhost support to help me but their
answer is that the missing item is badly outdated and they don't intend to
revert to that support. They pointed the finger back at RunRev.



On 4/7/06, Phil Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Can anyone here share some details about how you got Rev CGI to work on
> your dreamhost.com site?
>
> I want to do it, but am bumping into issues and don't have a lot of time
> to spend figuring them out.
>
> Thanks -
> Phil Davis
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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

[Richard Gaskin]

Bob Warren at howsoft.com wrote:

Another thing that gets me worked up (but not from your post) is people 
citing their curriculum vitae before telling us that we ought to swallow 
great excesses of bugs because somehow it is "natural and normal" 
nowadays.


[[CV snipped]]

Bug report:

The link to  on
 is 404.

Merde happens.

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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

[Chipp Walters]

Bob Warren wrote:

Another thing that gets me worked up (but not from your post) is people 
citing their curriculum vitae before telling us that we ought to swallow 
great excesses of bugs because somehow it is "natural and normal" 
nowadays. In actual fact, I was hand-punching machine language bootstrap 
routines on Hollerith cards before these people were even born. 


Oh Yeah?

I'm so old my first computer was made of cardboard. Heck, we had to 
'punch out' the cardboard parts just to build it (and we did this all by 
candlelight as electricity wasn't invented yet). We wouldv'e given 
anything to play with those fancy Hollerith card-punch machines.


:-)

http://www.mindsontoys.com/kits.htm?dc1_main.htm

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dreamhost and Rev CGI?

[Phil Davis]

Can anyone here share some details about how you got Rev CGI to work on 
your dreamhost.com site?


I want to do it, but am bumping into issues and don't have a lot of time 
to spend figuring them out.


Thanks -
Phil Davis

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Re: How long does one put up with crashing? - reply

[Chipp Walters]

Now, that *is* an interesting question worth answering.

If one recently purchased 2.7 (bugs and all), are they entitled to a
more stable 2.6? I would hope so.

But, then there's another problem (at least for me). Currently, I'd like
to get my hands on a 2.6.6 version of Rev. But the latest installer I
have is 2.6.1, which when properly online updated, goes to 2.6.6 (bug
fixes mostly). But, because the online update now only points to 2.7,
how does one go about getting the update to 2.6.6? Is there somewhere an
archived version of 2.6.6 and if so, where?

The reason I ask, is because for some reason, my working version of
2.6.6 (updated via online from 2.6.1), seems now somehow corrupted.
There are saved breakpoints in some of the Rev frontscripts and it keeps
popping open when I try and close stacks. I'd like to get a fresh copy.

Anyone know where I can find a 2.6.6 installer?

TIA,

Chipp





[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


So when you say go back to version 2.6.1, I upgraded from Dreamcard
2.6.1 to Studio 2.7, and so is this possible? 


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Re: Changing the screen resolution...

[Peter Reid]

I've just been trying to follow Ken's advice below (using cscreen 
with OS X 10.4.x) but I'm struggling with getting the syntax right 
for the shell() command.


I have placed the cscreen binary file into a folder "support" that is 
at the same level as my Rev stack (i.e. into the folder 
"/Users/peter/Desktop/screen sizer/support").


if I put

  "/Users/peter/Desktop/screen sizer/support/cscreen"

into a variable theCmd and execute:

  put shell(theCmd) into theResult

it works fine and returns the current display resolution details etc.

However, if I put

  "/Users/peter/Desktop/screen sizer/support/cscreen -x 1600 -y 1200 -s 1"

into a variable theCmd and execute:

  put shell(theCmd) into theResult

I get the result:

/bin/sh: line 1: /Users/peter/Desktop/screen sizer/support/cscreen -x 
1600 -y 1200 -s 1: No such file or directory


I don't seem to be able to pass parameters to cscreen. Any 
suggestions about how to fix my syntax please?!


Thanks


On 3/8/06 8:05 PM, "Sarah Reichelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Is there a way so that I can change the resolution of the screen using a
 script in metacard itself.?


 On Mac OS X, you can use the cscreen shell command. I don't know if
 there is an equivalent for Windows or Linux.


Actually this is something that I have in my Scripter's Scrapbook (not Linux
though):

Mac OS 9
--
Using Jon's Commands to change screen resolutions in OS 9:
http://osaxen.com/files/jonscommands2.1.2.html

Mac OS X
---
The place to download 'cscript', a command-line utility for OS X that can
retrieve info about screens and to change their properties (including
reolution):
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/mac/19753

or to directly download 'cscript':
http://www.pyehouse.com/lynn/cscreen.dmg

Windows
--
You can use one of three third-party command line executables ("MultiRes",
"Resolution Changer", or "VidRes"):
http://www.entechtaiwan.com/files/multires.exe
http://www.myitforum.com/inc/upload/1365Vidchng.zip
http://www.jddesign.co.uk/

(For more information, see
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.windows.server.scripting/m
sg/423d3f435989d049)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


--
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Reid-IT Limited, Loughborough, Leics., UK
Tel: +44 (0)1509 268843 Fax: +44 (0)8700 527576
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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

[Bob Warren]

Dan Shafer wrote:

>Bob.

>While I found much to agree with in your post, your gratuitous swipes 
>at "the severe cases of denial that key contributers to this list seem 
>to suffer from" was one I couldn't let pass without comment. I'm sure 
>I'm on that list.


Thanks Dan. I'm not so sure as you appear to be.

>It's not denial. It's different experience. As Rob Cozens has pointed 
>out quite cogently, the fact that you experience bugs in the IDE and 
>others don't doesn't mean they're in denial. It may mean a lot of 
>things. Maybe they've developed some reflex that keeps them from doing 
>certain things a certain way because when they do, things break. Maybe 
>they're exercising completely different parts of the IDE from you. 
>Maybe there are system configuration issues at work that none of us 
yet >understands. There are many reasons a "key contributor" to this 
list >might not experience or report the same problems as others but you 
need >not attribute a bad motivation of denail or (as you do later in 
your >post) politics. None of us has a thing to gain from defending Rev 
when >it shouldn't be defended and I can guarantee you that every one of 
>those "key contributors" has at one time or another been as vocal and 
>vociferous about their bug experiences as you are now.


As I said in my post, just try using the Linux version of Rev for 5 
minutes, and then tell me what the state of your patience is. And as I 
also said, I am just trying to find some kind of explanation for the 
fact that so many people seem to be blind or uninformed. All the 
suggestions you make above are indeed credible, but they don't match my 
experience, that's all. So after wrestling with the Linux version, I'm 
short on patience. They launch 2.7 for Windows, I rub my hands together 
in glee, and load my first project into it. What's the first thing I 
see? A bug before my very eyes!** And that's before even trying to run 
the project. I'm sorry, but that's scandalous. Perhaps my tendency to 
hit out in all directions is a little misplaced, but it is not difficult 
to understand, is it?


Another thing that gets me worked up (but not from your post) is people 
citing their curriculum vitae before telling us that we ought to swallow 
great excesses of bugs because somehow it is "natural and normal" 
nowadays. In actual fact, I was hand-punching machine language bootstrap 
routines on Hollerith cards before these people were even born. So what?

Experience leads either to greater wisdom or to greater blindness.

That said, you can rest assured that I respect your carefully considered 
opinion, as we all do. Thanks for your comments.



** i.e. the barber's pole background my combo box has now acquired.

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RE: [OT] why eating your own haggis is not too bad for acompanybased in Scotland

[Lynn Fredricks]

> > Haggis does not scare me. Just look at this, and be afraid:
> 
> > http://www16.ocn.ne.jp/~uoshige/shiokara.jpg
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiokara
> 
> Does that taste anything like natto?

Not really. Natto is a sort of fermented soybean, gooey and somewhat
phelgm-like at worst of times. I do not seek that out -- but shiokara
practically watches you with malign, alien intent :-O

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd


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Re: [OT] why eating your own haggis is not too bad for a companybased in Scotland

[Dave Cragg]

On 7 Apr 2006, at 18:30, Lynn Fredricks wrote:


Haggis does not scare me. Just look at this, and be afraid:

http://www16.ocn.ne.jp/~uoshige/shiokara.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiokara


Scared? I'm married to a lady who likes and regularly serves up both  
(not usually on the same plate).  I'm petrified, but not of the  
food. :-)


Bon appetit
Dave
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Re: bugs

[Mark Wieder]

Rob-

Friday, April 7, 2006, 9:33:30 AM, you wrote:

> Mark said "software", not "code".

> Where's the UI?  And where's the market for software that does nothing
> but display today's date?  Bug-free software of any complexity and 
> scope does not exist.

To be fair, Geoff had a smiley in his post, so I think he deserves
some slack cut here. But I can think of several scenarios where this
will fail.

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Re: [OT] why eating your own haggis is not too bad for a companybased in Scotland

[Mark Wieder]

Lynn-

Friday, April 7, 2006, 10:30:21 AM, you wrote:

> Haggis does not scare me. Just look at this, and be afraid:

> http://www16.ocn.ne.jp/~uoshige/shiokara.jpg
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiokara

Does that taste anything like natto?

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Re: [ANN] RevZilla 2.0.5 is Available

[Marty Knapp]

Thanks Ken,

This is *way* more user friendly than Bugzilla.

Marty Knapp

Just a quick note to let you all know that RevZilla 2.0.5 is now available,
and corrects the problem caused by RunRev adding new components that
included a ">" in the name.

You can get it from all the usual places:

  RevOnline - User: kray
  RevNet
  My web site:
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla2.htm

Enjoy!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
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Re: Eureka! It's late, I'm tired and grouchy and I can't figure out a way to do this!

[Trevor DeVore]

On Apr 7, 2006, at 10:02 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

Does the "parsing the long name" method that still work when a  
substack is involved? I think you need a test for substack and then  
the range of words might be different.


For what I am doing right now it does as I'm not looking that far  
down in the hierarchy.  I'm just getting the group that an object  
belongs to, so the delete technique has worked out since it just  
deletes the object from the long id (or name).  The full path,  
including the substack, is left intact.


In my case, I know that none of the objects in the path will have  
quotes in the name so word 1 to 4 (or 3 if name rather than id) works  
well.



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Re: Revolution is very slow to refresh fields. How can I speed it up?

[Alex Tweedly]

Rob Cozens wrote:



Geoff, et al:


 I generally check the ticks and update based on that:



How do you know in advance the total ticks to complete the operation?

Some of my progress bars reside on resizeable stacks, and are 
themselves resizeable.  I wanted an approach that recognized the same 
looping supports fewer updates when the bar is short than it does when 
it is longer.


You don't need to know how many ticks it takes. Changing the visible 
appearance any faster than (roughly) every 5-10 ticks will add nothing 
to the perceptible smoothness (*); changing it any more slowly will make 
it less smooth. There are (or may be) cases where such decreased 
smoothness would be acceptable, so the proposed method may not be 
completely optimal in saving CPU - but in general doing a screen update 
at that rate will be infrequent enough to make the CPU cost low.


(*) - if your customer base includes non-humans, you may need to 
re-evaluate their ability to see rapidly changing visual input.


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[ANN] RevZilla 2.0.5 is Available

[Ken Ray]

Just a quick note to let you all know that RevZilla 2.0.5 is now available,
and corrects the problem caused by RunRev adding new components that
included a ">" in the name.

You can get it from all the usual places:

  RevOnline - User: kray
  RevNet
  My web site:
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla2.htm

Enjoy!

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How long does one put up with crashing? - reply

[mfstuart]

OK, thanx guys. You're thoughts are muchly appreciated. 

So when you say go back to version 2.6.1, I upgraded from Dreamcard 2.6.1 to 
Studio 2.7, and so is this possible?

My thougths on this: start fresh with Dreamcard 2.6.1, 
then when ready copy the *.rev files off to another 
folder, open Studio 2.7 and compile the application with 
the copied *.rev files for distribution.
Does that seem workable?

Thanx,
Mark

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Re: bugs

[Mark Wieder]

Geoff-

Friday, April 7, 2006, 6:53:58 AM, you wrote:

> on mouseUp -- display the date
>answer the date with "OK"
> end mouseUp

> Just thought I would make your day. ;-)

Thanks. Depends on what your expectations are for this code, though.

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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

[Dan Shafer]

Bob.

While I found much to agree with in your post, your gratuitous swipes at
"the severe cases of
denial that key contributers to this list seem to suffer from" was one I
couldn't let pass without comment. I'm sure I'm on that list.

It's not denial. It's different experience. As Rob Cozens has pointed out
quite cogently, the fact that you experience bugs in the IDE and others
don't doesn't mean they're in denial. It may mean a lot of things. Maybe
they've developed some reflex that keeps them from doing certain things a
certain way because when they do, things break. Maybe they're exercising
completely different parts of the IDE from you. Maybe there are system
configuration issues at work that none of us yet understands. There are many
reasons a "key contributor" to this list might not experience or report the
same problems as others but you need not attribute a bad motivation of
denail or (as you do later in your post) politics. None of us has a thing to
gain from defending Rev when it shouldn't be defended and I can guarantee
you that every one of those "key contributors" has at one time or another
been as vocal and vociferous about their bug experiences as you are now.


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Re: How long does one put up with crashing?

[Dan Shafer]

I sympathize with your plight. Apparently there are some niggling issues
that have been quite hard to track down on XP with the 2.7 release. I concur
with the advice given by others in this thread to revert to 2.6.1 until
these issues can be tracked down.

OTOH, for the sake of completeness here, it's important to note that: (a)
There are apparently quite a number of XP users on 2.7 having no problems at
all or at least no stoppers; and (b) Noboy on OS X is reporting serioius
problems with 2.7 as far as I can tell.

Doesn't help you, I know, but I wanted to be sure that others who read this
thread know the problem isn't universal.

On 4/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm hoping that Rev puts up here! I'm getting a little
> tired and frustrated of the IDE crashing when I'm building an application.
> I've never known of a software product that crashes
> like RunRev Studio 2.7 does. I've seen Alpha releases
> that crash less times.
>
> I've been developing commercial software for 14 years,
> with a different product, and have never seen the likes
> of this before.
>
> Platform: WinXP SP2; MySQL 4.x.; Studio 2.7
>
> RunRev, you've got to do something about this real fast!
> I hope that you are planning a 2.7.1 release within the
> next month to fix this.
> This is serious stuff that makes one think of looking for a refund.
>
> This comment has also been submitted to support @ runrev.com.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark Stuart
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RE: [OT] why eating your own haggis is not too bad for a companybased in Scotland

[Lynn Fredricks]

> Eating Haggis abroad is a bit like eating French fries in 
> England, spaghetti in a restaurant in India, couscous in an 
> italian restaurant, etc.
> Real haggis (prepared and eaten in Scotland)  is actually 
> surprisingly edible... I would even say *nice* at least 
> in the opinion of a foreigner living in Edinburgh ;-).

Haggis does not scare me. Just look at this, and be afraid:

http://www16.ocn.ne.jp/~uoshige/shiokara.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiokara

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd


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Re: bugs

[Dan Shafer]

I'm reminded of this quotation from the 1970's. (I think it was in the
Mythical Man Month but I'm not sure.)

"If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the
first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization."


On 4/7/06, Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> David-
>
> Friday, April 7, 2006, 3:26:29 AM, you wrote:
>
> > Approach 2, results in much better software and much happier
> > engineers. The idea is to have QA involved right from the start, at
> > the design stage. QA's job here is to ensure that components (such as
> > libraries etc.) are unit tested as they are written.
>
> 100% agreement on approach 1 vs 2. It really is true that the best way
> to eliminate bugs is not to code them in the first place. I always
> like to get QA involved at product inception and follow the sdlc
> through to the release.
>
> But... it shouldn't be QA's job to do unit testing. That's
> development's job. The tests written by QA should complement the unit
> tests in terms of integration testing, functional and boundary tests,
> etc. Otherwise you get QA locked into the same mindset as development
> to where you know what the program is supposed to do, so you don't
> test other scenarios. It's the same reason you can't do proper QA on a
> product you've written yourself. I've had my own apps pass all the
> unit tests I've written and come through with flying colors, only to
> be shot down in five minutes when I handed the "finished" product off
> to someone else.
>
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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

[Mark Wieder]

David-

Thursday, April 6, 2006, 6:51:18 PM, you wrote:

> It depends on whether I wrote it in the first place or not. Assume I
> didn't and have been given the source code, I'd take a look at it and

You *do* have the source code. Knock yourself out.

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Re: Loading image data from DB

[Rob Cozens]

Devin,

Is it correct to assume that 'the text' is binary data expressed as 
ASCII text and data like 'the imageData' is "lower-level" code that 
can't be expressed visually in a meaningful way?


My assumption is the image's "Text" is identical to the content of the 
gif, jpeg, or whatever image file it was loaded from.


The imageData is in rev-proprietary format regardless of original image 
type, and it contains the image at the size and resolution it is 
displayed on the screen.


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

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Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

[J. Landman Gay]

Marielle Lange wrote:

Dear Jacque,

I was very surprised to read about "The IDE guys use Rev like anyone  
else to work on the IDE"  given how unoptimized the code of the IDE  is 
and the problems there are with objects as basic as table fields.  I was 
even more surprised to see you write that "Runtime also takes  
consulting work, and all of that is done in Rev too". Sure, everybody  
suspects so... 


You'd hardly have to "suspect" it -- "Consulting & Services" is a major 
linked bullet point at the top of every web page.


When Runtime first began doing this, developers were afraid it would cut 
into their business. That has not turned out to be the case. It appears 
there is plenty of work to go around.


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Re: How long does one put up with crashing?

[Rob Cozens]

Hi Mark,


I'm hoping that Rev puts up here! I'm getting a little
tired and frustrated of the IDE crashing when I'm building an 
application.

I've never known of a software product that crashes
like RunRev Studio 2.7 does.


It may take some work by people like you to help find the problem.

I've been working with the RR Support Team for several weeks trying to 
track this down--but I can't find a way to crash v2.7 on Win XP TPC 
2005 Edition even when I try.


If it is happening as often as you claim, you should be able to begin 
to develop some idea as to the chain of events leading up to a crash.  
Do crashes really occur at every aspect of building an application: 
from creating the stack to adding any kind of control to scripting to 
debugging to creating a standalone?  Or can you narrow down the scope 
of the problem?


For moi, V2.7 never crashed except in the Script Editor, and then only 
when selecting, copying, or pasting text.  Now I can't even make that 
happen.


Rest assured that in addition to Rev Support, many people have 
volunteered time to track this down...but we can't reproduce the 
problem.  So the people who are in the best position to help are those 
who are crashing on a regular basis.


Perhaps you could work with the Support Team to get crash logs from 
your computer.  This would be most helpful in solving the problem asap.


One anecdote on the complexity of debugging:

In the mid & late 1980's I customized and supported a Flexware 
installation at the Canadian Public Health Association in Ottawa.  
During a two-week period, the Assistant Controller and I had a series 
of exchanges where he claimed the latest update I sent him wasn't 
working correctly and I responded that it was working fine at my end.  
Finally, we connected by phone and walked through the app 
step-by-step...and when we got to a certain step, what he saw on his 
computer was different from what appeared on mine.


Turned out he was running an Apple IIci and I was running an Apple Duo 
(I think), and the Toolbox ROM was different.


Since I'm not crashing like you are, it's possible that some 
non-Revolution application or some setup differences between your 
system and mine is at play.  Example, Rev really slowed down for me 
when I installed Kodak's EasyShare software (which boots automatically) 
on my XP.  The problem went away after I took EasyShare out of the boot 
chain.



Rob Cozens
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Re: Eureka! It's late, I'm tired and grouchy and I can't figure out a way to do this!

[Jerry Daniels]

Does the "parsing the long name" method that still work when a  
substack is involved? I think you need a test for substack and then  
the range of words might be different.


I set the defaultStack and actually ask the object for its owner. And  
then set defaultStack back to what it was.


Best,

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On Apr 7, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:


On Apr 7, 2006, at 8:24 AM, David Bovill wrote:


David Burgun wrote:
if the long owner of group myIndex of theOwnerLongName =  
theOwnerLongName then


Without looking at the code - a couple of comments):

   I don't use the owner - due to some inconsistancy I can no  
longer remember which was only fixed by using:


   put the long id of groupMyIndex into myOwner
   delete word 1 to 4 of myIndex

   This may or may not have been fixed abd i have not tired the  
long owner...


I *think* you only run into problems with the owner when dealing  
with objects that aren't on the defaultStack.  When you try to use  
the owner in libraries that are referring to objects in other  
stacks there seem to be problems.  Jerry Daniels pointed this out  
to me as I was having problems with the owner returning wrong  
information with some libs.  I always assumed that the owner was  
just looking at the long id of the target and extracting the  
information from it.  Apparently it doesn't.  So now I use delete  
or word 5 to -1 with my libs and I have been happy ever since.



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Re: bugs

[Mark Wieder]

David-

Friday, April 7, 2006, 3:26:29 AM, you wrote:

> Approach 2, results in much better software and much happier
> engineers. The idea is to have QA involved right from the start, at
> the design stage. QA's job here is to ensure that components (such as
> libraries etc.) are unit tested as they are written.

100% agreement on approach 1 vs 2. It really is true that the best way
to eliminate bugs is not to code them in the first place. I always
like to get QA involved at product inception and follow the sdlc
through to the release.

But... it shouldn't be QA's job to do unit testing. That's
development's job. The tests written by QA should complement the unit
tests in terms of integration testing, functional and boundary tests,
etc. Otherwise you get QA locked into the same mindset as development
to where you know what the program is supposed to do, so you don't
test other scenarios. It's the same reason you can't do proper QA on a
product you've written yourself. I've had my own apps pass all the
unit tests I've written and come through with flying colors, only to
be shot down in five minutes when I handed the "finished" product off
to someone else.

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Re: Eureka! It's late, I'm tired and grouchy and I can't figure out a way to do this!

[Trevor DeVore]

On Apr 7, 2006, at 8:24 AM, David Bovill wrote:


David Burgun wrote:
if the long owner of group myIndex of theOwnerLongName =  
theOwnerLongName then


Without looking at the code - a couple of comments):

   I don't use the owner - due to some inconsistancy I can no  
longer remember which was only fixed by using:


   put the long id of groupMyIndex into myOwner
   delete word 1 to 4 of myIndex

   This may or may not have been fixed abd i have not tired the  
long owner...


I *think* you only run into problems with the owner when dealing with  
objects that aren't on the defaultStack.  When you try to use the  
owner in libraries that are referring to objects in other stacks  
there seem to be problems.  Jerry Daniels pointed this out to me as I  
was having problems with the owner returning wrong information with  
some libs.  I always assumed that the owner was just looking at the  
long id of the target and extracting the information from it.   
Apparently it doesn't.  So now I use delete or word 5 to -1 with my  
libs and I have been happy ever since.



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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

[Bob Warren]

I didn't send this e-mail yesterday, because others had already said all 
that I really wanted to say - only better. However, I think that we 
might profit from a common sense approach to bugs. If they are 
immediately apparent, then they should never have got there in the first 
place. If not, the proper reporting of less obvious bugs is a help, but 
certainly not through a perverse system like Bugzilla. The whole problem 
as I see it is the fact that the system is geared to the acceptance of 
an excessive number of bugs, which of course demands an organisation 
that should never have arisen in the first place. If there were 
significantly fewer bugs in the IDE (as there should be), then the 
UR-List itself might even be sufficient for reporting them. What's more 
the Rev team would kiss our feet for bringing them up (by the way, I 
wash my feet at least once a month...). Under the present philosopy and 
practice, such a state of affairs is unimaginable, but that is not to 
say that it is not perfectly possible. Arguments about whether "zero 
bugs" are possible or not are silly. The Rev IDE has far too many bugs, 
that's all, and they need to be significantly reduced in order to 
provoke an urgently-needed qualitative change.


Here is yesterday's unsent mail:

Here we are, discussing IDE bugs again. Try using the Linux version of
Rev

But rather than stir up passions or comment upon the severe cases of
denial that key contributers to this list seem to suffer from, I want to
make a simple comparison.

Microsoft are known for the instability of their OS, particularly before
Win XP, with "blue screens of death" etc. However, I used VB6
intensively from the very beginning, and in my experience:

1) Never once did I find a single bug in the IDE
2) Never once did I need to participate in forums etc. in order to find
out how to do things.

Of course, there WERE bugs in VB6, since before they abandoned it they
got up to Service Pack 6 (SP6) in order to eliminate the less obvious
problems, but such bugs were beyond my experience.

Regarding technical help, I needed to go surfing on the Internet to find
out how to do things which were non-standard in VB, but apart from that
the manuals provided with VB were more than sufficient.

Some years ago now, I made my first contact with Rev, but only recently
have I found the courage to actually try and use it. My experience with
the IDE was totally different, because of the bugs I mean, not because
of the more complex way of producing programs.

At this moment, I am trying to move to Linux with a view to abandoning
Windows altogether. However, because of the frustration with the Rev
IDE, particularly in Linux, the thought "good old Microsoft" comes into
my head, and it makes my hair stand on end! How COULD a person like me
be provoked to think such a thing!

God only knows what programming systems some of you have used in the
past, but the fact that the Rev IDE compares favourably to them in terms
of stability is beyond my VB6 comprehension.

All of this is rather tragic. As I have said before, Revolution is a
great programming system with a potentially fantastic future. I love
Transcript, I love the IDE, and yes I even love the code editor. ALL
they have to do is debug the damn thing!

That said, Rev are obviously paying more attention to the stability of
the IDE than they have done in the past. But with the sins already
committed and accumulated, putting things right won't be all that easy I
imagine.

I say, let's help make Rev a really great product, which it has the
potential to be, not by the use of politics (which is the only
explanation I can find for some of the opinions I see on this list), but
by the use of hard work which is more appropriately directed towards
debugging in preference to the introduction of new features, at least
for an appropriate period.

Bob Warren


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Re: Loading image data from DB

[Devin Asay]

On Apr 7, 2006, at 10:32 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:



Devin,

The trick seems to be that you upload and download the image data  
as *text* (as opposed to the imageData of the image, which is  
binary.) I may have this all wrong conceptually, but that's how it  
finally made sense to me.


An image's "Text" property is  binary data that comprises the  
image.  The problem arises because, until one reads the Dictionary,  
one might easily assume an image's Text property contains text,  
just like a field.


So, just as one might...

get URL (("file:"&textFileName))
put it into field "Main Text"

one should be able to (untested)

get URL (("binfile:"&imageFileName))
put it into image "Main Image"


Which is essentially what I ended up doing, and it worked. Is it  
correct to assume that 'the text' is binary data expressed as ASCII  
text and data like 'the imageData' is "lower-level" code that can't  
be expressed visually in a meaningful way? Forgive my naive non- 
techie questions.


Am I correct in my understanding that these two statements are  
functionally identical:


put myData into image "myImage"
set the text of image "myImage" to myData

?

In other words, 'put' is simply shorthand for 'set the text of  
'?


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: [OT] why eating your own haggis is not too bad for a companybased in Scotland

[Ian Wood]

On 7 Apr 2006, at 15:23, Scott Kane wrote:


.> You will have to come and try it in Scotland ;-).

I wonder if it beats roo meat or crocodile?  I've had both
and they were excellent.

Scott


But does it all taste a bit like... chicken?

Ian
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Re: bugs

[Rob Cozens]

Geoff, Mark, Garrett, et al:


As a QA engineer, I'd love to find some bug-free software someday.
Doesn't exist. Bug-free is code-free.



How about this code:

on mouseUp -- display the date
  answer the date with "OK"
end mouseUp



Mark said "software", not "code".

Where's the UI?  And where's the market for software that does nothing 
but display today's date?  Bug-free software of any complexity and 
scope does not exist.


Rob Cozens

"America will never be destroyed from the outside.
 If we falter, and lose our freedoms,
 it will be because we destroyed ourselves.."

  -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: bugs

[Rob Cozens]

Garrett,


If you can't stand bugs in software and you believe it is possible
to ship without them (and I'm not talking show stoppers) then you
are living in the land of noddy driving a car built for one.



My experience only validates Scott's statement.

One of the early pioneers in computers in the 1950's is quoted as 
saying something like:


"Soon after I began programming I realized I would be spending most of 
my career correcting my own mistakes."


There is NO bug-free software of any scope and complexity available 
today.


Rob Cozens

"The way to destroy the power of the Corporate State
  is to live differently now."

 -- Charles Reich, The Greening of America
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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read

[Rob Cozens]

David, et al:

In the case of the bugs I mentioned, you'd have to blind and in a drug 
induced haze not to spot them! Some of them occur on an hourly basis!




For the past two weeks I have been scripting at least four hours daily 
using Rev v2.7 on Windows XP.


I have experienced no crashes--even when trying to force a crash for 
Rev Support.  I don't spot the bugs you mention because (a) I'm not 
using the same features your are, and (possibly) (b) because I allow 
most messages to pass up the message chain rather than trying to force 
them to a centralized object library.


This is not said to discredit you; but to point out that RunRev is so 
feature-rich and can be applied to such different applications that one 
developer's experience may be entirely different from another's.


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)

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Re: Loading image data from DB

[Rob Cozens]

Devin,

The trick seems to be that you upload and download the image data as 
*text* (as opposed to the imageData of the image, which is binary.) I 
may have this all wrong conceptually, but that's how it finally made 
sense to me.


An image's "Text" property is  binary data that comprises the image.  
The problem arises because, until one reads the Dictionary, one might 
easily assume an image's Text property contains text, just like a 
field.


So, just as one might...

get URL (("file:"&textFileName))
put it into field "Main Text"

one should be able to (untested)

get URL (("binfile:"&imageFileName))
put it into image "Main Image"


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

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Re: It's late, I'm tired and grouchy and I can't figure out a way to do this!

[Mark Wieder]

Scott-

Thursday, April 6, 2006, 10:34:49 PM, you wrote:

> I love this subject line.  It reminds me of my days with Datachecker DTS
> when we did a forty eight hour (nodoze equipped) programming bender
> and would write comments in the code (Clipper back then) that read
> like" "This works, as fast as I can bleeding make out, if you don't like
> it shove ti 'cos it's late, I'm tired and I've drunk to much turps".
> ;-)

Have to be careful with that stuff. Back in the day when I was writing
code for an Apple II package I had some comments in my code about
having to deal with special-case routines for the @#$^% Apple //c
modem. Somewhere along the line we got a call from a customer whose
14-year-old kid had managed to crash the program and there on the
screen were my comments. Yes, the code was compiled C - my guess was
that somehow in allocating a 4k buffer for incoming text the compiler
just grabbed a 4k chunk of memory and stuck it as a block into the
program. And it just happened to be the chunk with my //c comments...

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Re: Revolution is very slow to refresh fields. How can I speed it up?

[Rob Cozens]

Geoff, et al:


 I generally check the ticks and update based on that:


How do you know in advance the total ticks to complete the operation?

Some of my progress bars reside on resizeable stacks, and are 
themselves resizeable.  I wanted an approach that recognized the same 
looping supports fewer updates when the bar is short than it does when 
it is longer.


Rob Cozens
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Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

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Re: How long does one put up with crashing?

[David Burgun]

I'd really go back to version 2.6.6, it's much more stable. Just  
beware the Stack File Incompatibility issues, I think there is a plug- 
in that saves a stack file in either format.


Don't give up on Rev, for all my moaning it's a great product (when  
it works!) and it's worth the effort, you just have to be patient  
when it comes to new releases.


All the Best
Dave


On 7 Apr 2006, at 16:43, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi all,

I'm hoping that Rev puts up here! I'm getting a little
tired and frustrated of the IDE crashing when I'm building an  
application.

I've never known of a software product that crashes
like RunRev Studio 2.7 does. I've seen Alpha releases
that crash less times.

I've been developing commercial software for 14 years,
with a different product, and have never seen the likes
of this before.

Platform: WinXP SP2; MySQL 4.x.; Studio 2.7

RunRev, you've got to do something about this real fast!
I hope that you are planning a 2.7.1 release within the
next month to fix this.
This is serious stuff that makes one think of looking for a refund.

This comment has also been submitted to support @ runrev.com.

Regards,

Mark Stuart

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Re: How to stop screen "flicker"

[David Burgun]

The loop is part of a cold-start up process, I want to run all the  
stacks qualifying stacks in a folder in "ColdStart" mode, this allows  
each stack to reset it's properties etc. to the "Factory" default.  
It's a little more complex than this, but that basically it.


Once the Cold-Start has completed, I then re-open the "Main"  
Application stack (the one that reported it's "Main" status during  
Cold-Start procedure). It then starts running in "Warm-Start" mode,  
and from that point onwards it will start up in warm start mode. The  
ColdStart Stack checks for a file in it's folder when it's run, if  
it's there it cold-starts and removes the file, if it's not it warm  
starts.


All the Best
Dave

On 7 Apr 2006, at 16:49, Mark Schonewille wrote:


Hi Dave,

It is not clear to me what you are trying to accomplish. Why do you  
set the visible of the stack to true or false if you're going to  
close it anyway?


If the problem is that the stack flashes *before* its visible  
property is set, it is possibe that removing "as toplevel" from  
your script solves the problem. Why did you include that?


Completely contrary to HyperCard, Revolution's "lock screen"  
command prevents windows from being redrawn but does not prevent  
them from appearing on screen. You might want to set the loc of the  
stack off-screen before changing the visible property, then hide  
the stack and set the loc to the original value.


Best,

Mark

David Burgun wrote:

Hi,
When I run the script portion below, I get the stack windows  
flashing  for a split second. I thought that the lock screen  
command would cure  it, but it doesn't seem to work.

  lock screen
  repeat for each line myCurrentFileName in myFilesList
if item -1 of myCurrentFileName <> "rev" then next repeat
put myStackFilePath & myCurrentFileName into  
myCurrentFilePathName

if myCurrentFilePathName = myStackFilePathName then next repeat
if myCurrentFilePathName <> the filename of   
myCallingStackLongName then

  if there is a stack myCurrentFilePathName then
if the script of stack myCurrentFilePathName contains   
myHandlerString then
  set the cpDebugEnableFlag of stack  
myCurrentFilePathName  to theDebugEnableFlag
  put the visible of stack myCurrentFilePathName  into   
myStackVisibleFlag

  go invisible to stack myCurrentFilePathName as topLevel
  set the visible of stack myCurrentFilePathName  to   
myStackVisibleFlag

  save stack myCurrentFilePathName
  close stack myCurrentFilePathName
end if
  end if
end if
  end repeat
  unlock screen
Any ideas??
Thanks a lot
Dave


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Re: How to stop screen "flicker"

[Peter T. Evensen]

Are you doing this in the IDE or in a standalone.  If my memory serves, 
lock screen doesn't work in the IDE if script debug mode is on.


At 06:48 PM 4/6/2006, you wrote:

Hi,

When I run the script portion below, I get the stack windows flashing
for a split second. I thought that the lock screen command would cure
it, but it doesn't seem to work.

  lock screen
  repeat for each line myCurrentFileName in myFilesList
if item -1 of myCurrentFileName <> "rev" then next repeat
put myStackFilePath & myCurrentFileName into myCurrentFilePathName
if myCurrentFilePathName = myStackFilePathName then next repeat

if myCurrentFilePathName <> the filename of
myCallingStackLongName then
  if there is a stack myCurrentFilePathName then
if the script of stack myCurrentFilePathName contains
myHandlerString then
  set the cpDebugEnableFlag of stack myCurrentFilePathName
to theDebugEnableFlag
  put the visible of stack myCurrentFilePathName  into
myStackVisibleFlag
  go invisible to stack myCurrentFilePathName as topLevel
  set the visible of stack myCurrentFilePathName  to
myStackVisibleFlag
  save stack myCurrentFilePathName
  close stack myCurrentFilePathName
end if
  end if
end if
  end repeat
  unlock screen

Any ideas??

Thanks a lot
Dave

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Re: How to stop screen "flicker"

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Dave,

It is not clear to me what you are trying to accomplish. Why do 
you set the visible of the stack to true or false if you're 
going to close it anyway?


If the problem is that the stack flashes *before* its visible 
property is set, it is possibe that removing "as toplevel" from 
your script solves the problem. Why did you include that?


Completely contrary to HyperCard, Revolution's "lock screen" 
command prevents windows from being redrawn but does not prevent 
them from appearing on screen. You might want to set the loc of 
the stack off-screen before changing the visible property, then 
hide the stack and set the loc to the original value.


Best,

Mark

David Burgun wrote:

Hi,

When I run the script portion below, I get the stack windows flashing  
for a split second. I thought that the lock screen command would cure  
it, but it doesn't seem to work.


  lock screen
  repeat for each line myCurrentFileName in myFilesList
if item -1 of myCurrentFileName <> "rev" then next repeat
put myStackFilePath & myCurrentFileName into myCurrentFilePathName
if myCurrentFilePathName = myStackFilePathName then next repeat

if myCurrentFilePathName <> the filename of  myCallingStackLongName then
  if there is a stack myCurrentFilePathName then
if the script of stack myCurrentFilePathName contains  
myHandlerString then
  set the cpDebugEnableFlag of stack myCurrentFilePathName  to 
theDebugEnableFlag
  put the visible of stack myCurrentFilePathName  into  
myStackVisibleFlag

  go invisible to stack myCurrentFilePathName as topLevel
  set the visible of stack myCurrentFilePathName  to  
myStackVisibleFlag

  save stack myCurrentFilePathName
  close stack myCurrentFilePathName
end if
  end if
end if
  end repeat
  unlock screen

Any ideas??

Thanks a lot
Dave



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How long does one put up with crashing?

[mfstuart]

Hi all,

I'm hoping that Rev puts up here! I'm getting a little
tired and frustrated of the IDE crashing when I'm building an application. 
I've never known of a software product that crashes 
like RunRev Studio 2.7 does. I've seen Alpha releases
that crash less times.

I've been developing commercial software for 14 years, 
with a different product, and have never seen the likes
of this before.

Platform: WinXP SP2; MySQL 4.x.; Studio 2.7

RunRev, you've got to do something about this real fast!
I hope that you are planning a 2.7.1 release within the
next month to fix this.
This is serious stuff that makes one think of looking for a refund.

This comment has also been submitted to support @ runrev.com.

Regards,

Mark Stuart

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Re: Eureka! It's late, I'm tired and grouchy and I can't figure out a way to do this!

[David Bovill]

David Burgun wrote:
if the long owner of group myIndex of theOwnerLongName = 
theOwnerLongName then


Without looking at the code - a couple of comments):

   I don't use the owner - due to some inconsistancy I can no longer 
remember which was only fixed by using:


   put the long id of groupMyIndex into myOwner
   delete word 1 to 4 of myIndex

   This may or may not have been fixed abd i have not tired the long 
owner...


   For a similar reason i tend not to string long compound groups 
together into one line - but always:


  put the long id of group x of someGroup into anotherGroup
  put the long id of group y of anotherGroup into whatEver

   I find this ore readable and robust - though for something that 
really requires speed very slightly slower.


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Re: Eureka! It's late, I'm tired and grouchy and I can't figure out a way to do this!

[David Burgun]

Hi,

On 7 Apr 2006, at 14:43, David Bovill wrote:


David Burgun wrote:

Hi All,

Ok, I finally found it! I knew I had the code there somewhere, it  
was on a PowerBook I had forgotten I had!


Got it working now, see below. It's really quite neat! A spot of  
recursion every now and then is good for the soul, check it out!


Oh, one thing that I could do with confirmation on, I am using the  
"long name", is this ok? Should I use the "long id" instead?
I use the long id for uniqueness as two objects could have the same  
long name. However the whole issue of naming gets real complicated  
if you want portable naming - so I use either the mobile_ID which  
is a combination of id and short sack name, which is then refered  
to using a relative path to the file in the stackfile property.


I can't seem to get it to work using long id, the following statement  
gives an error:


  if the long owner of group myIndex of theOwnerLongName =  
theOwnerLongName then


I can't figure out how to change it for long id's. However, I've  
pasted it back and it works wonderfully, so I'm a happy bunny!


All the Best and Have a Great Weekend
Dave

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RE: [OT] why eating your own haggis is not too bad for a companybased in Scotland

[Scott Kane]

.> You will have to come and try it in Scotland ;-).

I wonder if it beats roo meat or crocodile?  I've had both
and they were excellent.

Scott

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Re: [OT] why eating your own haggis is not too bad for a company based in Scotland

[Marielle Lange]

Jacque wrote.
I'm OT now, but I want to know: Does anybody, anywhere, actually  
*like* this stuff?


Eating Haggis abroad is a bit like eating French fries in England,  
spaghetti in a restaurant in India, couscous in an italian  
restaurant, etc.
Real haggis (prepared and eaten in Scotland)  is actually  
surprisingly edible... I would even say *nice* at least in the  
opinion of a foreigner living in Edinburgh ;-).


But I come from a country (Belgium) where we enjoy eating blood  
sausages (boudins noirs - http://www.hertzmann.com/articles/2002/ 
boudin/) and raw beef (steak tartare - http://www.blogjam.com/ 
2005/06/12/steak-tartare/), so don't rely on my opinion ;-). At the  
same time the joke we have on haggis in my country is : Initially, I  
thought it looked like sh*t, then I thought it smelled like sh*t. But  
then when I tasted it, I regretted it wasn't. So, maybe we are back  
to my point about opinions formed when tasting it abroad.


You will have to come and try it in Scotland ;-).

Marielle

 


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Re: Trouble with formattedWidth revisited

[Graham Samuel]

On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:11:51 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



   I've never played with formattedWidth, myself, but one semi-obvious
possibility leaps to mind. Since you're interested in how many  
characters can fit
into whatever number of pixels, why not try something in this  
neighborhood:


put the formattedWidth of char 1 to 15 of field "myField" into myTemp


That's what I am doing, but it doesn't work if field "myField" isn't  
in the current card of the current stack, at least to as far as I  
understand it - it just returns zero without so much as an electronic  
squawk. Bummer for those of us who want to keep our working fields  
far away in obscure substacks, and worse bummer if  you believe the  
RR documentation (will BZ, I promise).


Graham



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OT: Haggis [was Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] ]

[Graham Samuel]

On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:28:22 -0500, "J. Landman Gay"  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Jacque-



Don't you remember the original web site? At the bottom of the  
page it

said "We eat our own haggis."






Which is way further than I care to go. :)




...they can have my share, too... I'll pass...




I'm OT now, but I want to know: Does anybody, anywhere, actually  
*like*

this stuff?


Well, yes, I do - and I'm not sure that it's just because my mother  
was Scottish. I had a very pleasant Burns Night not so long ago when  
my host (in London, but originally from Glasgow) read the poem (you  
did know there was a poem, didn't you) and offered the haggis  
round... mind you, I think they've rather cleaned up the haggis' act  
since Burns' day (food hygiene-wise anyway). And the single malt  
whisky does help it go down.


Graham



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Re: bugs

[Geoff Canyon]

On Apr 6, 2006, at 8:11 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:


As a QA engineer, I'd love to find some bug-free software someday.
Doesn't exist. Bug-free is code-free.



How about this code:

on mouseUp -- display the date
  answer the date with "OK"
end mouseUp

Just thought I would make your day. ;-)
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Re: Eureka! It's late, I'm tired and grouchy and I can't figure out a way to do this!

[David Bovill]

David Burgun wrote:

Hi All,

Ok, I finally found it! I knew I had the code there somewhere, it was 
on a PowerBook I had forgotten I had!


Got it working now, see below. It's really quite neat! A spot of 
recursion every now and then is good for the soul, check it out!


Oh, one thing that I could do with confirmation on, I am using the 
"long name", is this ok? Should I use the "long id" instead? 
I use the long id for uniqueness as two objects could have the same long 
name. However the whole issue of naming gets real complicated if you 
want portable naming - so I use either the mobile_ID which is a 
combination of id and short sack name, which is then refered to using a 
relative path to the file in the stackfile property.

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