Re: The ssl library again

[Dave Cragg]

On 26 May 2006, at 03:10, Mark Smith wrote:


Dave, thanks for the response.

On 25 May 2006, at 23:38, Dave Cragg wrote:


Mark, what OS and version are you using?

I'm on 10.4.6 (G4 Powerbook). Rev 2.7.1



The timeout frequency seems to vary by url.
For the service I'm trying to access, curl returns almost  
immediately every time, which is why I suspect something is amiss  
with the ssl & encryption lib.


The wsdl for the service I'm trying to access is:

https://api.betfair.com/betex-api-public-ws/v2/BFService.wsdl


I'm able to get the data about 50% of tries. It almost seems that it  
works on every second attempt. I thought this might be significant,  
as the service leaves the connection open, so libUrl was re-using the  
same connection for subsequent attempts, and these were generally  
failing. It would then use a new connection for the next attempt, and  
these generally succeed. But there are exceptions to the pattern, so  
I don't think it is significant.



I'll try and test again later if I have access to an older version of  
OS X.


Dave

















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Re: video at the conference?

[Dan Shafer]

Stand by, everyone. Chipp and I are working on what may be a great solution.
We just need another day or two to hammer it together. If it goes, it won't
involve me and Chipp but will give you a professional result.



On 5/25/06, Josh Mellicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I wish I could consider handling the videotaping of the sessions, it
would be a blast, but it's not in the cards this year.

But I could contribute help to someone who wishes to video, here's
what I can offer:

professional DV camcorder
pro tripod
Sennheiser Evolution G2 Wireless Lavalier System
lights for speaker (if recommended)

(I would need someone to take personal responsibility for theft or
damage)

expert knowledge - in a phone call I can train the person in:
  - how to get the best results when videotaping a projection screen
  - how to set up the wireless system (Sennheiser wireless G2 Tutorial)
  - how to encode the videos for internet or DVD

FWIW


On May 24, 2006, at 10:11 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Sorry, just found this thread as I've been away from the list. My
> wife and I
> are in the process of adopting a lovely little 10 year old girl
> (who will be
> at the conference;-) and it's been way too hectic the last week or
> so. Does
> put a smidge of perspective on things!
>
> I'll get with Dan and talk this over and get back to you on what we're
> doing. There are a couple of ideas going forth. Last year we had some
> problems getting speakers to OK distribution of media for sale. In
> fact, we
> had just about every session audio tracks and many video tracks as
> well.
> Afterwards, we could never get it coordinated to move forward, and the
> amount of time editing ruled out distribution for free. So, we just
> posted a
> few of Mark's videos, (great job Mark), and left it at that.
>
> Dan and I have already been discussing what to do this year. We'll
> be sure
> and let everyone know what we end up with!
>
> best,
> Chipp
>
> On 5/24/06, Mark Talluto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On May 24, 2006, at 9:43 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>
>> > Mark-
>> >
>> > Tuesday, May 23, 2006, 3:14:24 PM, you wrote:
>> >
>> >> was later to be sold.  It was done purely for fun.  BTW, I got
>> a lot
>> >> of e-mails direct and on the list thankful for the effort.  I
>> don't
>> >> remember the specs, but I had GBs of downloads for the videos I
>> >> posted.
>> >
>> > ...and let me add to the chorus of thanks for your efforts last
>> year.
>> > I'd be willing to trade off camera duty with you to make it
>> easier for
>> > you to pay attention, if that helps.
>>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> I'll find out what the plans are regarding video.  If Dan and Chipp
>> want to get a pro, then all our problems are solved.  If there isn't
>> time or budget for it, I'll be more than happy to record the key/
>> closing notes and post them on my website for download.
>>
>> I receive joy in being a small part of the fun.  Thanks for the offer
>> to help.  Come find me that day.  :)
>>
>>
>> Mark Talluto
>> --
>> CANELA Software
>> http://www.canelasoftware.com
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Re: dragData["files"] problem

[Ken Ray]

On 5/25/06 11:04 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Maybe someone else can come up with a better way, or fix this one. Or
> there may be an Applescript function that allows you to get the long name.

Yes, there is... here's my stsLongFilePath function in action:

on dragDrop
  put the dragdata["files"] into tPath
  put stsLongFilePath(tPath) after fld 1  -- or
end dragDrop

function stsLongFilePath pPath
  switch (the platform)
  case "MacOS"  -- assumes OS X
put "set tPath to" && quote & pPath & quote & cr & \
"set tPath to (POSIX file tPath) as string" & cr & \
"POSIX path of tPath" into tScript
do tScript as "AppleScript"
return (char 2 to -2 of the result)  -- strips quotes
break
  case "Win32"
return the longFilePath of pPath
break
  end switch
end stsLongFilePath

Enjoy!


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Disable combo box menu item?

[Judy Perry]

On Thu, 25 May 2006, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Judy Perry wrote:
> >
> > For all other multiple-option button types, doing this disables the
> > particular button/menu option.  But for the combo box, it simply shows an
> > enabled-state menu item that looks like this:  "(Vodka"
> >
> > Why?
>
> Combo buttons are odd animals, half field and half button. It looks like
> they don't support disabling individual lines, just as you can't disable
> a line in a field. I think they probably should..

--Thanks.  I thought that maybe I was losing even more brain cells than I
had previously thought to be losing.

> The OS draws those, so it is out of Rev's hands. But I can't recall ever
> seeing a disabled default button in OS X. Is that even possible?

--Yup, and, apparently, Rev makes it possible? Try this:

1.  Create a standard push button.

2.  Open the object inspector -> down at the bottom you can select BOTH
default and disabled.

Go figure.

Judy


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Re: Unicode sorting

[Dar Scott]

On May 25, 2006, at 4:19 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

I have a need to sort long lists of Cyrillic unicode text according  
to Russian alphabet order. Before I start writing my own routine,  
has anyone figured out how to sort unicode text lists?


Here are some hints:

1.
Trick:  If you are sorting strings with only characters from the same  
256 character range, then byte-order doesn't matter when doing a  
lexical sort.  For example, if all your characters are in the  
Cyrillic range of U+0400 to U+04FF, then you can use an ordinary byte  
character sort.  However, if you have spaces (U+0020) then you will  
need to replace them with something else for sorting or make sure you  
have control over order.


2.
If the high byte if the Unicode characters never looks like a digit  
then you can compare with < (probably not important if using 'sort').


3.
The basic alphabet of a language is typically coded in roughly the  
order needed for sorting.  That rough order may be just fine for your  
need.


4.
Conversion from lower to upper or upper to lower for sorting is often  
just a bit-logic operation.  However, since you usually have to do  
range checking, then adding or subtracting an offset works fine,  
too.  If you know you have only basic upper and lower letters, doing  
the bit op every time is probably faster.  This should work for a  
rough sort.


5.
The basic alphabet of a language in unicode might include characters  
you don't use.  That is OK as long as the ones you do use are coded  
in the right order.  The holes don't matter.


Dar
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Re: dragData["files"] problem

[J. Landman Gay]

Garrett Hylltun wrote:

Rev 2.6.1 / OS X

Greetings,

I've run into a bit of an odd thing that I can't figure out.  I have a 
file with the following path:


/Users/garrett/Desktop/My Music/Metal Rules/Alice In Chains - Man in the 
box.mp3


But when I drag and drop it on my app I get the following instead:

/Users/garrett/Desktop/My Music/Metal Rules/Alice In Chains - Man#88B1F.mp3

Is there a character length limit on incoming file names for the 
dragData["files"]?


Here's the code I am using:




Your script is okay, it's the OS X Finder truncating the name. It works 
just as it does on Windows, where you have 8-dot-3 file names that are 
represented as long file names to the user, but stored in the older 
format internally. Revolution resolves these on OS X in most cases, but 
apparently not for drag data.


There is a function "the longFilePath" that allows you to retrieve the 
long file name in Windows. I see it doesn't work in OS X. I think it 
would be a good extension to the language if the longFilePath worked 
identically on both platforms. (Macs didn't have the problem when the 
function was first written, it was a Windows-only thing.) This would be 
a good feature request for Bugzilla.


In the mean time, I've been trying to figure out a graceful way to get 
the long file name and I can't. Here is an ungraceful way:


on dragDrop
  put line 1 of the dragdata["files"] into tPath
  set the itemdel to slash
  set the directory to (item 1 to -2 of tPath)
  put the files into tFiles
  if tPath contains "#" then
delete char offset("#",tPath) to -1 of tPath
put line lineoffset(last item of tPath,tFiles) of tFiles into tFile
put tFile into last item of tPath
  end if
  put cr & tPath after fld 1 -- or process it here
end dragDrop

This will fail completely if:

1. You have two files in the same folder whose first 20 characters are 
identical, differing only by the number following the Finder's # sign.

2. The file name contains a real "#" that isn't a Finder replacement.

Maybe someone else can come up with a better way, or fix this one. Or 
there may be an Applescript function that allows you to get the long name.


I'll enter a feature request into Bugzilla about the longFilePath change.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: Disable combo box menu item?

[J. Landman Gay]

Judy Perry wrote:

Hi,

I'm not understanding this.  I've got a pulldown menu button with style
set to "combo box".  I manually disable one of its contents by using the
inspector and typing a "(" next to the content name in particular.

For all other multiple-option button types, doing this disables the
particular button/menu option.  But for the combo box, it simply shows an
enabled-state menu item that looks like this:  "(Vodka"

Why?


Combo buttons are odd animals, half field and half button. It looks like 
they don't support disabling individual lines, just as you can't disable 
a line in a field. I think they probably should..




And another thing:  I just had a student turn in a (sorry looking) file in
which he saw fit to use, oh, say 5 or 6 DEFAULT buttons on the same
screen.  (actually, both examples are from this student's project)

Default buttons disabled via the message box report disabled behavior but
the buttons do not sport disabled visual appearances (well, one does and
the other is Mac OS X blue, but I'd swear it's a lighter blue; definitely
throbs, though).

Any ideas?  I'm on Mac OS 10.3.9 and using Rev 2.7 build 192.


The OS draws those, so it is out of Rev's hands. But I can't recall ever 
seeing a disabled default button in OS X. Is that even possible?




Thanks!

Judy


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Re: date anomalies when converting to seconds

[Kay C Lan]

On 5/25/06, Rob Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


so I had to learn to deal with dates spanning at least a century.

I continue to prefer Julian notation personally.




I downloaded Sarah's date & time functions, and although they worked, I
found that they were far to long and complex, that I could get the results I
needed much quicker with dateItems. Now I understand why they are so
complex.

The dilema of course, for me anyway, is do I keep taking the short cut and
assume that Rev will eventually resolve the 2038 issue, or do I just nip it
in the bud and go with Julian dates. I don't really need to look too far
forward, a couple of years max, and no further back than 1980.

Sarah, if you need any more encouragement to go from 'gradually' to fully
using MMDD, HHMMSS I'd just like to add that such formats are so
easy to convert to UNIX & SQL that I'd certainly appreciate it:-)
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Re: The ssl library again

[Mark Smith]

Dave, thanks for the response.

On 25 May 2006, at 23:38, Dave Cragg wrote:


Mark, what OS and version are you using?

I'm on 10.4.6 (G4 Powerbook). Rev 2.7.1



The timeout frequency seems to vary by url.
For the service I'm trying to access, curl returns almost immediately  
every time, which is why I suspect something is amiss with the ssl &  
encryption lib.


The wsdl for the service I'm trying to access is:

https://api.betfair.com/betex-api-public-ws/v2/BFService.wsdl

No login is required to get the wsdl.

Best,

Mark
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Re: How does revAppendXML work?

[Sarah Reichelt]

I have multiple xml files that are identical in format...



  
 Art
 Fine Art
 5

...

They just have different  content. Such as...

 
 Art
 Fine Art
 5
 Creativity
 SPARK Site
 This site is great for introducing students to the varied 
definitions of fine art and expression.
 John Art
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Orchard School
 www.kqed.org/spark
  
  
 Art
 San Fracicso, Museum of Modern Art
 5
 VAPA

...

I want to take these multiple XML files and combine them into one large xml 
file with the same format.

I was thinking I could do something like this:

 answer folder "Select XML folder" as sheet
  if it = "" then exit mouseUp
  set the defaultFolder to it


  put the files  into tFiles
  put the number of lines of tFiles into tNumberofXMLFiles
  put line 1 of tFiles into theFileName
  put URL ("file:" & theFileName) into tData

get revCreateXMLTree(tData,true,true,true)

put the result into targetXMLFile


put 1 into x
repeat tNumberOfXMLFiles


  revAppendXML targetXMLFile,"/StudentURL_table/",URL "file:" & line x of tFiles
  add 1 to x
  end repeat
--
Put revXMLText(targetXMLFile,,true)

end mouseUp

---

However, I appear to be misunderstanding what revAppendXML does, or how to use 
it correctly.



I can't see any major problem with what you are doing, except possibly
for the specification of the parentNode for the revAppendXML command.
Try leaving out the /'s.

I would also recommend doing it in 2 stages: read the file into a
variable, then append the variable. e.g.

 put URL ("file:" & line x of tFiles) into tXMLdata
 revAppendXML targetXMLFile, "StudentURL_table", tXMLdata

I always surround the file stuff with brackets before using put or get
URL. It seems to be more reliable.

And after each XML command or function, check the result and see if it
contains "xmlerr".

HTH,
Sarah
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New Mac Mini Core Duo Help

[Jim Ault]

Question regarding UDP and Rev ver 2.6.1

Just started up a Duo Mini (OSX 10.4.6), running a stack being developed on
a Mac G5 dual OSX 10.4.6,  runs fine on the G5 dual.

Installed 2.6.1

Ran Alex Tweedy's UDP server and client => get an immediate crash on sending
from client to server.  These stacks are available in his user area in
RevOnline.

Ran the new stack that uses a UDP socket to receive datagram from a server
with the same result.  Provider only runs UDP so I have to conform.

This is an important application for my business and I would like to know if
upgrading to 2.7 would fix this.  I would certainly do this if needed, but
for the next couple weeks, I really need to focus on getting apps written
with good ol' 2.6.1 rather than deal with any upgrade challenges.

Yes, I could experiment, but a quick answer would save me valuable time.

Thanks

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: Splash Screen Strategy

[Dan Shafer]

Streaming is out of the question. We just don't have the bandwidth.

But Chipp and I *are* talking about alternatives. We'll have some news in a
day or so.

On 5/22/06, Sivakatirswami <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On May 22, 2006, at 5:45 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:

>
> Hi Dan,
>
> If you want more unprofessional off the cuff video like last year,
> I would be more than happy to do it again.

It worked fine for me... this isn't the oscars!

Sivakatirswami

> Maybe Chris and I can do it together.  If you are going after
> something polished, then I completely understand and will be a
> happy just the same.

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Re: Video at the conference.

[Dan Shafer]

Stephen..

Chastisement noted and accepted.

There were no advance plans to video last year. It happened
spur-of-the-moment. We had two rooms of content going on most of the time
but only one camera. I did not intend to suggest that we couldn't have done
better last year or that we don't know how to do better this year. It's just
that there are only so many things two guys with busy lives and businesses
can do to support a conference that continues to be essentially a labor of
love for them.

As Chipp has said elsewhere on this list, he and I are now discussing
options for providing some sort of video support this year. When we resolve
the best way to approach it, we'll post it to the list.


On 5/22/06, Stephen Barncard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


With all due respect Dan, that was a pretty lowball video set up last
year.




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Re: RevConWest Hotel Deal

[Dan Shafer]

Thanks for that pointer, Todd.

The Portola Plaza is the hotel in which the Monterey Conference Center is
located, so you couldn't find  a more convenient place to stay.

See you soon!

On 5/24/06, Todd Geist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello,

I just made my hotel reservations for RevCon and I thought I would
pass on that the Portola Plaza Hotel is offering a pretty good deal.

go here

http://www.portolaplazahotel.com/specials/index.cfm?Refresh=1&;

and scroll diow to here!

14-DAY ADVANCE PURCHASE

We invite you to explore Monterey's premier waterfront hotel and the
beautiful Pacific coastline. Take advantage of this special,  14-DAY
ADVANCE PURCHASE offer!   With fewer crowds and a great weather,
Monterey is the place to be for that well-deserved and truly special
vacation experience.

Features:
A luxurious room with a choice of either a king size bed or two full size
beds.

14-DAY ADVANCE PURCHASE starting at:
$139 (Sunday - Thursday)
$159 (Friday - Saturday)

Limited rooms available.
Some restrictions may apply.
Offer expires July 10, 2006
Reservation is non-cancellable within 14 days of arrival.
Not applicable to groups.


See ya all there

Todd
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Disable combo box menu item?

[Judy Perry]

Hi,

I'm not understanding this.  I've got a pulldown menu button with style
set to "combo box".  I manually disable one of its contents by using the
inspector and typing a "(" next to the content name in particular.

For all other multiple-option button types, doing this disables the
particular button/menu option.  But for the combo box, it simply shows an
enabled-state menu item that looks like this:  "(Vodka"

Why?

And another thing:  I just had a student turn in a (sorry looking) file in
which he saw fit to use, oh, say 5 or 6 DEFAULT buttons on the same
screen.  (actually, both examples are from this student's project)

Default buttons disabled via the message box report disabled behavior but
the buttons do not sport disabled visual appearances (well, one does and
the other is Mac OS X blue, but I'd swear it's a lighter blue; definitely
throbs, though).

Any ideas?  I'm on Mac OS 10.3.9 and using Rev 2.7 build 192.

Thanks!

Judy


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dragData["files"] problem

[Garrett Hylltun]

Rev 2.6.1 / OS X

Greetings,

I've run into a bit of an odd thing that I can't figure out.  I have a 
file with the following path:


/Users/garrett/Desktop/My Music/Metal Rules/Alice In Chains - Man in the 
box.mp3


But when I drag and drop it on my app I get the following instead:

/Users/garrett/Desktop/My Music/Metal Rules/Alice In Chains - Man#88B1F.mp3

Is there a character length limit on incoming file names for the 
dragData["files"]?


Here's the code I am using:

on dragEnter
  set the acceptDrop to true
end dragEnter


on dragDrop
  if the dragData = empty then
exit dragDrop
  else
put dragData["files"] into varDroppedFile
--answer varDroppedFile
put number of lines of varDroppedFile into varFileCount
if varFileCount > 1 then
  put the first line of varDroppedFile into varDroppedFile
end if
set the itemdel to "."
put the last item of varDroppedFile into varFileExt
if varFileExt is "aif" or varFileExt is "m4a" or varFileExt is 
"mp3" or varFileExt is "wav" then

  subNewFileToPlay varDroppedFile
end if
  end if
end dragDrop


Thanks,
-Garrett
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Re: The ssl library again

[Dave Cragg]

On 25 May 2006, at 23:38, Dave Cragg wrote:


I just tried a few https urls and got timeouts about 30-50% of the  
time on OS X 10.4.6 (on an intel mac-mini) with all the latest OS  
updates. On my XP machine, I'm not getting timeouts.


A little more information.

I'm seeing the timeouts on OS X 10.4.6 (intel and ppc) with Rev  
versions back to 2.5, which was when SSL support was added.


I see similar timeouts with libUrlSetSSLVerification set to both true  
and false. (I'm using a certificate when set to true.)


The timeout frequency seems to vary by url. For example, https:// 
www.google.com/ rarely times out here. However, this url gives a 302  
redirect response, and the redirect is a regular http connection. So  
very little data is coming back over the secure socket.


It seems the secure socket is being opened OK (at least the Rev  
engine thinks so), and the timeouts are occurring on the first read  
immediately after writing the request. This suggests the problem is  
in the engine, as libUrl behaves the same at this stage for both  
secure and non-secure connections. (I'm just escaping responsibility  
here.)


I'd be interested to hear if the problem occurs with an older   
version of OS X (pre-10.4.6).


Sorry, Mark, as I doubt any of this helps you.

Cheers
Dave




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How does revAppendXML work?

[John Patten]

Hello All!

I have multiple xml files that are identical in format...



  
 Art
 Fine Art
 5

...

They just have different  content. Such as...

 
 Art
 Fine Art
 5
 Creativity
 SPARK Site
 This site is great for introducing students to the varied 
definitions of fine art and expression.
 John Art
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Orchard School
 www.kqed.org/spark
  
  
 Art
 San Fracicso, Museum of Modern Art
 5
 VAPA

...

I want to take these multiple XML files and combine them into one large xml 
file with the same format.

I was thinking I could do something like this:

 answer folder "Select XML folder" as sheet
  if it = "" then exit mouseUp
  set the defaultFolder to it
  

  put the files  into tFiles
  put the number of lines of tFiles into tNumberofXMLFiles
  put line 1 of tFiles into theFileName
  put URL ("file:" & theFileName) into tData

get revCreateXMLTree(tData,true,true,true)

put the result into targetXMLFile


put 1 into x
repeat tNumberOfXMLFiles
  

  revAppendXML targetXMLFile,"/StudentURL_table/",URL "file:" & line x of 
tFiles 
  add 1 to x
  end repeat
--
Put revXMLText(targetXMLFile,,true)

end mouseUp

---

However, I appear to be misunderstanding what revAppendXML does, or how to use 
it correctly.

Can anyone offer advice?

Thank you!

John Patten
SUSD



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Re: Unicode sorting

[Devin Asay]

On May 25, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

Set useunicode to true and use chartonum(char 1 of word 1 of  
unicodeString) to sort your list.


This didn't work. Did you mean chartonum(char 1 to 2 of word 1 of  
unicodeString) ?


I see where you're going, but the problem is that none of the  
approaches I've tried sorts upper and lower case properly. Instead it  
sorts on all upper case letters first, then all lower case letters.  
Further, if I sort by any chunk of the line containing a space, it  
sorts the space *after* all other letters.


I may be forced to roll my own sort routine.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: The ssl library again

[Dave Cragg]

On 25 May 2006, at 21:06, Dar Scott wrote:



On May 25, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Mark Smith wrote:


libUrlSetSSLVerification false -- or I simply get certificate errors
put "https://securesrveicename.wsdl"; into tURL
put URL tURL into fld "Response"

simply times out,

while using the shell 'curl'

put "https://securesrveicename.wsdl"; into tURL
get shell("curl" && tURL)
put it into fld "response"

gets the wsdl reliably, so the problem must surely be with the  
library, or at least libUrl, I think.


I did a quick check of using https with 'libUrlSetSSLVerification  
false' and got a timeout error the first time (or maybe two) but  
got results after that.  Maybe the timeout is too short.


I just tried a few https urls and got timeouts about 30-50% of the  
time on OS X 10.4.6 (on an intel mac-mini) with all the latest OS  
updates. On my XP machine, I'm not getting timeouts.


Mark, what OS and version are you using?

Cheers
Dave
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Re: Unicode sorting

[Mark Schonewille]

Set useunicode to true and use chartonum(char 1 of word 1 of  
unicodeString) to sort your list.


Mark

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Op 26-mei-2006, om 0:19 heeft Devin Asay het volgende geschreven:

I have a need to sort long lists of Cyrillic unicode text according  
to Russian alphabet order. Before I start writing my own routine,  
has anyone figured out how to sort unicode text lists?


TIA,

Devin

Devin Asay
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Unicode sorting

[Devin Asay]

I have a need to sort long lists of Cyrillic unicode text according  
to Russian alphabet order. Before I start writing my own routine, has  
anyone figured out how to sort unicode text lists?


TIA,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: S-L-O-W text entry -- Solved

[Sarah Reichelt]

Thanks for the many people that made helpful suggestions. Sorry, I didn't
record the name of the person that gave me the apparent answer so I could give
them an attaboy here. That person suggested I might have a pendingMessages()
problem. When I came upon the s-l-o-w text entry yesterday I canceled all the
pendingMessages and the text entry problem disappeared without having to reboot
revolution. I added a canceling script where it will be activated
automatically. If the problem doesn't happen again soon, I'll know for sure 
that was the
problem. You guys are great, I don't know what I'd do without you.


For anyone looking to diagnose such a problem, you may like to use my
Pending Messages Manager plugin, which (I think) provides a more
friendly interface to the pending messages.

You can download it from .

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: Reading data from COM ports

[Sarah Reichelt]

On 5/23/06, Dharminder Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Sarah,

I was googling yesterday to find out how to read data from 2 COM ports and
saw
that you some scripts which can read and send data.

My requirement is:

I have a PC with 2 com ports. There is a set of scales on com1 and a barcode
reader on com2. Basically All I want is a simple app which will

open com1

read the data

close com1

open com2

read the data

close com2


And then want to use that data from analysis.

Do you think your scripts can help me out. If so,please send them across.


You can download my serial comms test stack from
.
This will allow you to open a port, write to it, read from it and
close the port again.
That should give you enough help to do what you need.

I have never tried it, but I would think that you could have 2 com
ports open at the same time, with a "send in time" routine that reads
from them one after another.

HTH,
Sarah
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Re: The ssl library again

[Dar Scott]

On May 25, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Mark Smith wrote:


libUrlSetSSLVerification false -- or I simply get certificate errors
put "https://securesrveicename.wsdl"; into tURL
put URL tURL into fld "Response"

simply times out,

while using the shell 'curl'

put "https://securesrveicename.wsdl"; into tURL
get shell("curl" && tURL)
put it into fld "response"

gets the wsdl reliably, so the problem must surely be with the  
library, or at least libUrl, I think.


I did a quick check of using https with 'libUrlSetSSLVerification  
false' and got a timeout error the first time (or maybe two) but got  
results after that.  Maybe the timeout is too short.


You might want to check the certificate.  If the certificate is self- 
signed or signed by a private CA, then you need to get the public  
cert for the site.  If it is signed by a public CA, then you need to  
find a rood cert.  Whichever, you need to point to the file by  
putting the path into the sslCertificates.


For some reason libUrlSetSSLVerification is not in the dictionary of  
the version of Rev I have up.  Maybe it is not officially supported.   
But it is here:


   http://support.runrev.com/resources/liburlrealdocs.html

What it does is very simple.

It might be that the server is also expecting a certificate from the  
client and for some reason that creates a timeout error.  Yet curl  
works, so that is not likely.



Dar Scott
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Re: [OT] Re: 2.7.1 annoying window thing

[Shepherd, Dwayne J.]

hi
  just to let you no your email come to the wrong person


-- Original Message --
From: Rob Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: How to use Revolution 
Date:  Sun, 21 May 2006 07:39:44 -0700

>
>Tom:
>
>> PS: I love the J. Donne quote in your signature.
>
>Thanks.  Here's the entire poem for all Donne lovers:
>
>
>   The Triple Foole
>by John Donne
>
>I am two fooles, I know,
>For loving, and for saying so
>  In whining Poetry;
>But where’s that wiseman, that
> would not be I,
>  If she would not deny?
>Then as th’e earths inward narrow
>   crooked lanes
>Do purge sea waters fretfull salt
>away.
>   I thought, if I could draw my
>paines,
>Through rimes vexation, I should
>them allay,
>Griefe brought to numbers cannot
> be so fierce,
>For, he tames it, that fetters it in verse.
>But when I have done so,
>Some man, his art and voice to
>show,
>   Doth Set and sing my paine,
>And, by delighting many, frees
>againe
>Grief, which verse did restrain.
>To Love, and Griefe tribute of verse
> belongs,
>But not of such as pleases when ’tis
> read,
>Both are increased by such songs:
>For both their triumphs so are
> published,
>And I, which was two fooles, do so
> grow three;
>Who are a little wise, the best fooles
>bee.
>
>Rob Cozens
>
>"Any man's death diminishes me,
>  because I am involved in Mankind."
>
>   -- John Donne, Devotions 1624
>
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Re: What elements are used for writing reports?

[Mark Wieder]

David-

Friday, May 19, 2006, 6:03:29 PM, you wrote:

> I used 9to5 Hypercard Reports™ for many years, but like so much in the
> Hypercard world, they are gone. What scripting elements are available
> in Transcript to create reports and spreadsheet-like views?

Yes, Quartam Reports is definitely what you want here. You could roll
your own using the built-in objects, but it's painful and buggy and
time-consuming. Jan's taken all the drudgery out of it.

http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/quartam/index.php

...and nice to see Sundance popping up on the list here. It's a
wonderful organization.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
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Re: The ssl library again

[Dar Scott]

On May 25, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

I haven't used it myself, but you can download Dar Scott's  
presentation


Ah, but I covered everything but what what Mark is trying to do.   
Dave is the expert there.


Dar Scott


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Re: (no subject)

[Shepherd, Dwayne J.]

Dear
Sir i receive your email. 

-- Original Message --
From: "Bob Earp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: How to use Revolution 
Date:  Thu, 11 May 2006 07:59:27 -0700

>Thanks Phil.  I too tried resizing the flds but the group is a bg obj and it 
>then grows to encroach on other areas, plus the blank/space didn't work for me 
>either.  I was hoping there is an undocumented property of flds that looks 
>after vertical alignment.  If there is then this list would certainly know 
>about it !!
> 
>best, Bob...
> 
>~~~
>From: Phil Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: Fld text vertical alignment - 
>fld animationTo: How to use Revolution 
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Content-Type: 
>text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Okay, I was a little too quick. 
>As I reread your request, you're looking for a way to grow and shrink the text 
>without changing the rect of the field, correct? I think your only other 
>option is to have a blank line (containing a space, or maybe empty would work) 
>at the top of each menu field, and let that first line grow and shrink in the 
>opposite direction of the rest of the text, so the text remains centered 
>vertically in the field. However, I messed around with that idea for a few 
>minutes and was not able to make it work as well as the 'grow/shrink field' 
>approach. You could indeed kluge it together by having your menu text in 
>borderless transparent fields that sit on top of fields with visible borders. 
>That would give
  you the visual effect I think you're after. Phil
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Re: video at the conference?

[Josh Mellicker]

I wish I could consider handling the videotaping of the sessions, it  
would be a blast, but it's not in the cards this year.


But I could contribute help to someone who wishes to video, here's  
what I can offer:


professional DV camcorder
pro tripod
Sennheiser Evolution G2 Wireless Lavalier System
lights for speaker (if recommended)

(I would need someone to take personal responsibility for theft or  
damage)


expert knowledge - in a phone call I can train the person in:
 - how to get the best results when videotaping a projection screen
 - how to set up the wireless system (Sennheiser wireless G2 Tutorial)
 - how to encode the videos for internet or DVD

FWIW


On May 24, 2006, at 10:11 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:


Hi All,

Sorry, just found this thread as I've been away from the list. My  
wife and I
are in the process of adopting a lovely little 10 year old girl  
(who will be
at the conference;-) and it's been way too hectic the last week or  
so. Does

put a smidge of perspective on things!

I'll get with Dan and talk this over and get back to you on what we're
doing. There are a couple of ideas going forth. Last year we had some
problems getting speakers to OK distribution of media for sale. In  
fact, we
had just about every session audio tracks and many video tracks as  
well.

Afterwards, we could never get it coordinated to move forward, and the
amount of time editing ruled out distribution for free. So, we just  
posted a

few of Mark's videos, (great job Mark), and left it at that.

Dan and I have already been discussing what to do this year. We'll  
be sure

and let everyone know what we end up with!

best,
Chipp

On 5/24/06, Mark Talluto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On May 24, 2006, at 9:43 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Mark-
>
> Tuesday, May 23, 2006, 3:14:24 PM, you wrote:
>
>> was later to be sold.  It was done purely for fun.  BTW, I got  
a lot
>> of e-mails direct and on the list thankful for the effort.  I  
don't

>> remember the specs, but I had GBs of downloads for the videos I
>> posted.
>
> ...and let me add to the chorus of thanks for your efforts last  
year.
> I'd be willing to trade off camera duty with you to make it  
easier for

> you to pay attention, if that helps.

Hi Mark,

I'll find out what the plans are regarding video.  If Dan and Chipp
want to get a pro, then all our problems are solved.  If there isn't
time or budget for it, I'll be more than happy to record the key/
closing notes and post them on my website for download.

I receive joy in being a small part of the fun.  Thanks for the offer
to help.  Come find me that day.  :)


Mark Talluto
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Re: The ssl library again

[Mark Smith]

Thanks for that, Ken, I'll go have a look.

Best,

Mark

On 25 May 2006, at 18:41, Ken Ray wrote:


On 5/25/06 12:12 PM, "Mark Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Has anyone actually had any success with the ssl & encryption
library? I'm really struggling here.


I haven't used it myself, but you can download Dar Scott's  
presentation he
gave last year at the RevCon called "Secrets of Encryption and SSL"  
from

here:

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/ 
SecEncSSL.rev.zip


When you've downloaded it, use the left/right arrow keys for  
navigation and

click on the 'envelopes' for more information on a particular screen.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: The ssl library again

[Ken Ray]

On 5/25/06 12:12 PM, "Mark Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Has anyone actually had any success with the ssl & encryption
> library? I'm really struggling here.

I haven't used it myself, but you can download Dar Scott's presentation he
gave last year at the RevCon called "Secrets of Encryption and SSL" from
here:

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/SecEncSSL.rev.zip

When you've downloaded it, use the left/right arrow keys for navigation and
click on the 'envelopes' for more information on a particular screen.


Ken Ray
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Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: S-L-O-W text entry -- Solved

[Timothy Miller]

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for the many people that made helpful suggestions. Sorry, I didn't
record the name of the person that gave me the apparent answer so I could give
them an attaboy here. That person suggested I might have a pendingMessages()
problem. When I came upon the s-l-o-w text entry yesterday I canceled all the
pendingMessages and the text entry problem disappeared without 
having to reboot

revolution. I added a canceling script where it will be activated
automatically. If the problem doesn't happen again soon, I'll know 
for sure that was the

problem. You guys are great, I don't know what I'd do without you.

Joe
Orlando, FL
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That's great! I'm looking forward to not having this problem any more.

Do you know what the pending messages were, or where they were coming from?

Do you think they represent a RR bug, or is it more likely some 
scripting error of your own?


I still wonder if we've been talking about more than one issue, with 
similar symptoms. Am I the only one who has sometimes been vexed by 
slow keyboard response in other OS X applications, like Pages or 
textEdit?


Cheers,


Tim
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The ssl library again

[Mark Smith]

Has anyone actually had any success with the ssl & encryption  
library? I'm really struggling here.


I'm trying to interact with an https SOAP based service, but I can't  
even get the wsdl using the library.


libUrlSetSSLVerification false -- or I simply get certificate errors
put "https://securesrveicename.wsdl"; into tURL
put URL tURL into fld "Response"

simply times out,

while using the shell 'curl'

put "https://securesrveicename.wsdl"; into tURL
get shell("curl" && tURL)
put it into fld "response"

gets the wsdl reliably, so the problem must surely be with the  
library, or at least libUrl, I think.
Or perhaps it's to do with the version of openSSL on this (Mac OS  
10.4.6) machine. The version of curllib and openSSL i have is:
curl 7.13.1 (powerpc-apple-darwin8.0) libcurl/7.13.1 OpenSSL/0.9.7i  
zlib/1.2.3


I'm starting to feel like I've spent 156 UKP on a pig in a poke...

Any clues gratefully recieved.

Thanks,

Mark
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Re: test for shockwave

[Mark Schonewille]

I apologize, I replied Stuart's question, but then noticed I'm  
receiving old messages that bounced earlier.


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Op 17-mei-2006, om 3:32 heeft Stuart Duncan het volgende geschreven:

Does anyone know how to check for shockwave (including version)  
from within

Rev. I need a Windows/MacOS9/MacOSX solution.


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Re: test for shockwave

[Mark Schonewille]

Stuart,

I think you have to check that the files are in place, just like the  
example someone posted recently.


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Does anyone know how to check for shockwave (including version)  
from within

Rev. I need a Windows/MacOS9/MacOSX solution.



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Re: bug, strange behaviour of libraryStack.

[Richard Gaskin]

J. Landman Gay wrote:

Andre Garzia wrote:

Dar,

I thought of that too, no libraryStack touches the global. The first 
thing I thought (after hitting my head in the wall a little) was: "hey, 
I must be emptying the global somewhere in the libraryStack of the 
mainStack", but no, I never touch it...


its very strange. I am now double checking my code. Also, removing the 
'library' call made everything work again...


The "library" command is relatively new, compared to other options. Does 
the same thing happen if you instead use "start using stack " 
or "insert script of stack  into back"? These two commands 
produce the same results and have been in the language longer. If those 
work and "library" doesn't, then you may have found a new...feature.


There's an interesting aspect of the libraryStack message which may be a 
red herring here or may be worth exploring:


The libraryStack message is sent to a stack whenever the stack is 
brought into the message path with the "start using" command*.  But 
because the stack goes into the message path, any other stacks in the 
message path will also get the libraryStack message when it's sent to 
any stacks brought into use if that stack passes the message.


While I generally believe it's good form to pass system messages unless 
you know up front you'll absolutely never need the message downstream, 
Rob Cozens has turned me around on this one.  The libraryStack message 
is just too easy to catch more than once, and to accomodate the 
possibility that other stacks may pass it you'll want something like 
this in your libraryStack handler:


  on libraryStack
if the short name of the target is the short name of me then
   -- do initialization sturf
else pass libraryStack
  end libraryStack

That way a libraryStack message sent directly to it gets handled, but 
any such messages merely passed to it get passed without being handled.


Given all this, there's the possibility that another stack's 
libraryStack message is being handled in your stack, reinitializing the 
global you're having trouble with.


You could double-check that with a breakpoint, but it might be even 
easier to just add a line with an answer command to notify you when the 
message is handled:


  on libraryStack
global gMyTroubledGlobal
answer the short name of the target &cr& gMyTroubledGlobal
if the short name of the target is the short name of me then
   -- do initialization sturf
else pass libraryStack
  end libraryStack

Like I said this may be a red herring, but I've had cases of redundant 
initialization myself (before I adopted Rob's advice ), so it may be 
worth checking out.



* For those of you getting started with Rev and going to RevCon West, 
Dan has me scheduled to cover the message path in a session there where 
we'll discuss effective use of libraries, frontScripts, and backScripts too.


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Re: What elements are used for writing reports?

[Bill]

QAURTAM Reports has some of the functionality of 9 to 5


On 5/19/06 9:03 PM, "David ResSeguie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> I used 9to5 Hypercard Reports for many years, but like so much in the
> Hypercard world, they are gone. What scripting elements are available
> in Transcript to create reports and spreadsheet-like views?
> Thanks
> David
> 
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Reading data from COM ports

[Dharminder Singh]

Hi Sarah,

I was googling yesterday to find out how to read data from 2 COM ports and
saw
that you some scripts which can read and send data.

My requirement is:

I have a PC with 2 com ports. There is a set of scales on com1 and a barcode
reader on com2. Basically All I want is a simple app which will

open com1

read the data

close com1

open com2

read the data

close com2


And then want to use that data from analysis.

Do you think your scripts can help me out. If so,please send them across.

Many thanks
Dee
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What elements are used for writing reports?

[David ResSeguie]

Hi,
I used 9to5 Hypercard Reports™ for many years, but like so much in the 
Hypercard world, they are gone. What scripting elements are available 
in Transcript to create reports and spreadsheet-like views?

Thanks
David

David ResSeguie
Information Services Manager/Ad Co-ordinator
Sundance Natural Foods
748 E. 24th Avenue
Eugene, OR 97405-2936
541 343-9142
541 343-1519 office
541 342-1660 fax
541 687-3010 pager
Store and Office mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Grocery Store web site http://sundancenaturalfoods.com
Sundance Wine Cellars web site http://orwines.com

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test for shockwave

[Stuart Duncan]

Does anyone know how to check for shockwave (including version) from within
Rev. I need a Windows/MacOS9/MacOSX solution.

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Re: S-L-O-W text entry -- Solved

[LunchnMeets]

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for the many people that made helpful suggestions. Sorry, I didn't 
record the name of the person that gave me the apparent answer so I could give 
them an attaboy here. That person suggested I might have a pendingMessages() 
problem. When I came upon the s-l-o-w text entry yesterday I canceled all the 
pendingMessages and the text entry problem disappeared without having to reboot 
revolution. I added a canceling script where it will be activated 
automatically. If the problem doesn't happen again soon, I'll know for sure 
that was the 
problem. You guys are great, I don't know what I'd do without you.

Joe
Orlando, FL
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Adding reference to web database in docs

[Mark Schonewille]

Hello,

I'm trying to add my web site to the web database in the docs of Rev  
2.7.1. After adding Economy-x-Talk, it appears in the list of web  
sites in my web database, but I'm told it doesn't appear in the list  
of others, not even after they update their web database. What do I  
need to do to make my link public and have it downloaded  
automatically when the database is updated, just like all other sites  
in the web database?


Best,

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Re: bug, strange behaviour of libraryStack.

[Jim Ault]

if you make a copy of the array with a slightly different name, does it
change?

is there a 
do "clear global "
somewhere?

if you do the following:
combine gGlobalA using cr and comma --no longer an array
does it also get set to empty?

there can also be the useage
set the custom properties of this stack to gGlobalA

and 
put the custom properties of this stack into gGlobalA

Just trying to give a few ideas.  I don't have 2.7 yet.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 5/24/06 6:50 PM, "Andre Garzia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> I have a global array which is fine. Then after a call to start using
> some stack, my global array vanishes, it turns empty any clue?
> 
> like this
> 
> put "something" into gGlobalA["a_Value"]
> library someStack
> put the keys of gGlobalA
> 
> after the library call, gGlobalA is empty there's no touching on
> gGlobalA by the stack being called by 'library'... I stepped with the
> debugger and is like this, the array is there before library, then,
> its empty after it...
> 
> any clue?
> Andre
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Re: Delete item won't work in Repeat for each loop

[Ian McKnight]

Thanks for that.

Regards

Ian

On 24/05/06, David Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 25/05/2006, at 7:52, Ian McKnight wrote:
>
> I think I see whats happening. I'm not altering the original data in
> theImportedData variable rarther the copy of the data thats in the
> loop variable. So unless I store this -- I lose it.

In fact, if you do alter importedData itself rather then theRecord in
your Repeat For Each loop then the loop will either crash or corrupt
importedData because the loop pointers will be out of sync with the
data through which it is stepping. RFE is a very different beast from
a standard i = j to k loop.

regards
David
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