Re: Random Hotspot location

2006-06-05 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Bill Marriott wrote:

>> Make sure
>> you're not in the middle of any project since it takes over your desktop:
>> 
>> go url
>> "http://www.tactilemedia.com/mediaplayer/stacks/games/ouija/ouija.rev";

> Spiffy! Now you just need to make it multi-user so 2 to 12 or so people can
> all put their hands on the pointer and have a real cyber-Ouija experience!

Do the 2 to 12 people need to be alive?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
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Re: Random Hotspot location

2006-06-05 Thread Bill Marriott
Spiffy! Now you just need to make it multi-user so 2 to 12 or so people can 
all put their hands on the pointer and have a real cyber-Ouija experience! 
:)


"Scott Rossi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in 
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> You've already received the answer to your question, so I mention this 
> link
> just for fun (1.4MB download, execute in your message box).  Make sure
> you're not in the middle of any project since it takes over your desktop:
>
> go url
> "http://www.tactilemedia.com/mediaplayer/stacks/games/ouija/ouija.rev";



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Re: robotics

2006-06-05 Thread Bill Marriott
My only experience with robotics is Lego Mindstorms ;)

As for the weight issue, have you seen the new Sony Vaio UX 180P? Perfect 
for his bike. Could be the cell phone (via Skype), iPod, and navigation 
control system all in one.

My one concern about using Rev for robotics control is that as far as I can 
tell, it's single-threaded... how would it handle monitoring multiple 
sensors and controlling multiple servos simultaneously?


"Kay C Lan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote 
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> On 6/6/06, Greg Kolodziejzyk 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> If you are interested, the application is an auto-balance / auto-steer
>> mechanism for a human powered vehicle I built for a speed record:
>>
>
> Sorry, can't help, but I just wanted to say I really enjoyed your web 
> page -
> especially your line on fossil fuels and bikes in garages:-). I'm a little
> surprised though at the thought of heading down an automated route, surely
> this can only add weight to something that essentially needs to be as 
> light
> as possible. The sight of the iPod and mobile phone put a smile on my 
> face;
> I almost feel I need to send the link to MacFormat magazine, they usually
> run photos of Macs/iPods in funny places. But still I would have tought
> weight was th issue, no mobile phone. An iPod, although I can see the
> value - get the right track selections and you can do wonders for
> maintaining a constant cadence; still, carrying them for 24hrs has got to 
> be
> worth a km or two.
>
> Anyway, good luck:-)
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Re: Random Hotspot location

2006-06-05 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Think of an Ouija board (Only without the board).  I'd
> also like to move the pointer around and select random letters.

You've already received the answer to your question, so I mention this link
just for fun (1.4MB download, execute in your message box).  Make sure
you're not in the middle of any project since it takes over your desktop:

go url 
"http://www.tactilemedia.com/mediaplayer/stacks/games/ouija/ouija.rev";

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: robotics

2006-06-05 Thread Kay C Lan

On 6/6/06, Greg Kolodziejzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


If you are interested, the application is an auto-balance / auto-steer
mechanism for a human powered vehicle I built for a speed record:



Sorry, can't help, but I just wanted to say I really enjoyed your web page -
especially your line on fossil fuels and bikes in garages:-). I'm a little
surprised though at the thought of heading down an automated route, surely
this can only add weight to something that essentially needs to be as light
as possible. The sight of the iPod and mobile phone put a smile on my face;
I almost feel I need to send the link to MacFormat magazine, they usually
run photos of Macs/iPods in funny places. But still I would have tought
weight was th issue, no mobile phone. An iPod, although I can see the
value - get the right track selections and you can do wonders for
maintaining a constant cadence; still, carrying them for 24hrs has got to be
worth a km or two.

Anyway, good luck:-)
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Re: Relayering and dragging a group within a group

2006-06-05 Thread Ken Ray
On 6/5/06 8:41 PM, "David Epstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> My simpler approach (script below) can also do the relayering job.
> Its defect is that for some reason the "grab" command at the end is
> ignored, whereas in the Lynch-inspired script the "grab" command
> works as intended.  Does leaving "group editing mode" somehow
> terminate the mouseDown handler?

Probably... you could try using a "send" command to get the grab:

on mouseDown
  if "button" is in the target then

-- (1) put the group this button belongs to on top of other
-- groups that are subgroups of group "wb":
put the short id of the owner of the target into tgid
start editing group "wb"
set the layer of group id tgid to top
stop editing
send "grabIt" && tgid to me in 50 milliseconds
  end if
end mouseDown

on grabIt pID
-- (2) move this group with the mouse until the mouse is released:
grab group id pID of group "wb" -- DOES THIS WORK?
end grabIt


Ken Ray
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Re: Relayering and dragging a group within a group

2006-06-05 Thread David Epstein
Many thanks to Jonathan Lynch, whose post explains how to relayer  
groups inside a group.



1)set the relayergroupedcontrols property to true
2)move all the subgroups to the bottom of the master group - this  
has to be
done in the correct order, so that when this process is finished  
the target

group has moved up or down a layer as desired
3)set the relayergroupedcontrols property back to false


For those interested, a script follows for the case where we're  
moving one group to the top.  To keep the order of the non-relayering  
groups unchanged, I start from the "top" of the pile when moving them  
to the "bottom" of the pile; that explains the two repeat loops and  
the use of ids.


on mouseDown
  lock screen
  put the short id of the owner of the target into tgid
  put the layer of group "wb" into myL

  repeat with g = 1 to the number of groups in group "wb"
get the short id of group g of group "wb"
if it is not tgid then put it & space before hold
  end repeat

  set the relayerGroupedControls to true
  repeat for each word w in hold
set the layer of group id w to 1+myL
  end repeat
  set the relayerGroupedControls to false
  unlock screen
  grab group id tgid

end mouseDown

My simpler approach (script below) can also do the relayering job.   
Its defect is that for some reason the "grab" command at the end is  
ignored, whereas in the Lynch-inspired script the "grab" command  
works as intended.  Does leaving "group editing mode" somehow  
terminate the mouseDown handler?




on mouseDown
  if "button" is in the target then

-- (1) put the group this button belongs to on top of other
-- groups that are subgroups of group "wb":
put the short id of the owner of the target into tgid
start editing group "wb"
set the layer of group id tgid to top
stop editing

-- (2) move this group with the mouse until the mouse is released:
grab group id tgid of group "wb" -- THIS DOESN'T WORK
  end if
end mouseDown



David Epstein

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Re: Random Hotspot locations

2006-06-05 Thread Bill Marriott
The Ouija board was obviously taken from the web, but the stone pointer took 
all of five minutes to make with Microsoft Expression Graphics Designer, 
which is currently free:

http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression

It literally took six clicks with the bezier tool to make the outline and 
another half dozen clicks to set the fill and styling. Give it a shot! :)


<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
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> Thanks a lot everyone! I really appreciate the example, Bill. I was  just
> looking for some testing images. You have aided me profoundly. And 
> speaking  of
> images. I'm looking for several 100% unique graphics. I'd need them in 
> sets  of
> two, just as the example, Bill provided. Can anyone tell me where I can 
> have
> these made? They're relatively simple images. I'm just not very  artistic.



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Re: Problems building Mac OSX standalone (mostly resolved)

2006-06-05 Thread Ken Ray
On 6/5/06 1:19 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is an OS X glitch, which does not update the file correctly after
> it has been created. My favorite method is to Get Info on your new app,
> click on the icon in the little box, and hit the delete key. They forces
> the Finder to update the file's appearance.
> 
> Another method is to zip the file, throw away the original, and then
> unzip. The Finder will update the icon when the app is decompressed.
> 
> A third method is to issue an AppleScript command. The command is
> "update" and you provide a file path.
> 
> I usually use method #1 which is by far the easiest.

I use Path Finder as a Finder substitute (www.cocoatech.com) and it has a
contextual menu item called "Touch" which will do the same thing...


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Re: Linux installation

2006-06-05 Thread Bob Warren

Bob Warren wrote:
>
What I am going to do later on today is to take an Ubuntu Gnome Rev 
standalone I have created, load up the latest Kubuntu live CD, and see 
whether it runs. I'll let you know what happens.


Another experiment I could do later is to make sure I include libraries 
in my Gnome Rev standalone that I know do not exist in KDE, and see 
whether that runs.



Mark (Wieder):

I have just conducted 2 experiments using Rev standalone programs that 
were created in Ubuntu:


1. My Picture Chooser Widget
(see http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/stacks.htm)

2. A new app consisting of a window and all the script/data base 
support 	libraries available in the standalone settings


They both ran perfectly in Kubuntu Live.

Apart from possibly including external libraries (which I presume is the 
aim of the "externals" folder now accompanying Rev standalones), do you 
have any other type of Rev standalone you think is worth testing? If so, 
please send me the stack from Kubuntu and I'll try making a standalone 
in Ubuntu and running it in Kubuntu, or if you prefer, send me a 
standalone from Kubuntu and I'll se whether it runs OK in Ubuntu, or 
none of the above if you are already fed up with this thread!!.


Thanks,
Bob


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Re: Cue-points in Quicktime

2006-06-05 Thread Josh Mellicker

Revolution unfortunately cannot detect Quicktime Chapters.

Our workaround is to export the chapter track from an editing  
application to a text file, then have Rev import the set of times as  
a list.


Then, Rev can trigger certain actions at certain points in the movie.

What are you editing in?

You can also export the chapter track in QT Pro as text.


On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Say, I'm trying to convert an application that I wrote in Director  
over to
Revolution, and I'm wondering if Revolution has a means of  
intercepting the
Quicktime "cue-points" from the text-track and displaying them in a  
text field?
I tried using the Quicktime External demo stack (replacing the  
movie in that
stack with my own Quicktime, but I didn't receive any Quicktime cue- 
point data

from it using the call-back method.   Am I out of luck?

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Random Hotspot locations

2006-06-05 Thread SupermanSlyr
Thanks a lot everyone! I really appreciate the example, Bill. I was  just 
looking for some testing images. You have aided me profoundly. And speaking  of 
images. I'm looking for several 100% unique graphics. I'd need them in sets  of 
two, just as the example, Bill provided. Can anyone tell me where I can have  
these made? They're relatively simple images. I'm just not very  artistic.   
 
 
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Re: That annoying little resizer

2006-06-05 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Jack Tsu wrote:

> I figured there would be a way to change the resizer and titlebar without
> recreating them. I'd rather not do that, since I don't know how to script
> all the functionality :-\

There are no built-in ways to change these -- you really do need to make
your own.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: robotics

2006-06-05 Thread Björnke von Gierke

Hi Greg

Warning: I am a hobbyist at best, and haven't done any actual work with 
robotics. However i wanted to do a remote controlled vehicle once, and 
have sampled some information on rs232 due to that.


I am not sure how many "datalines" you need (the number of sensors you 
want to poll + the number of motors you want to steer) If the number is 
less or equal 8 then you could use a serial to parallel interface, like 
described on this page: http://www.beyondlogic.org/serial/serial2.htm


I never got to do it, because i couldn't get all the parts, as the 
schematic seems to be highly outdated, but the principle should be 
doable. You might as a soldering guru how to do that correctly.


What you do is talk via the serial port with 8 bit code, which then 
gets translated into 8 single digital lines. for example if you send an 
"a", you actually send "1110" (or "0111" i always confuse the 
order) so these 3 lines will get power (5v), each of which you can then 
use to steer a motor. The same is true in reverse for reading data off 
the port.


Also a warning at the end: For real time application i _guess_ that 
Rev/MC is not ideal, due to the way polling is set up. Basically the 
whole thing can be blocked by a processor intensive task or other 
means. For example on Mac OS X, no "send in x minutes" messages get 
send as long as you drag the rev window around.


if you have further questions  join chatrev and we discuss it...

greetings
Bjoernke


On Jun 05 2006, at 19:51, Greg Kolodziejzyk wrote:


Hey:

I am a long-time METACARD user, and I am working on a project where 
some

robotics is required. I have NO experience with robotics, sensors or
controllers, but I thought it might be a cool learning experience. I
also thought I could use metacard (Rev) to control the robotics stuff.

Does anyone out there have any experience with using Rev for robotics? 
I
would like to find a consultant or company that I could contract to 
help

me set this up.

If you are interested, the application is an auto-balance / auto-steer
mechanism for a human powered vehicle I built for a speed record:

http://www.adventuresofgreg.com/HPVMain.html

Thanks,
Greg K


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Re: That annoying little resizer

2006-06-05 Thread Jack Tsu
I figured there would be a way to change the resizer and titlebar without 
recreating them. I'd rather not do that, since I don't know how to script 
all the functionality :-\




From: "Sarah Reichelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: How to use Revolution 
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Subject: Re: That annoying little resizer
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:28:07 +1000

On 6/6/06, Jack Tsu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Whenever I set the background color of a window on the Mac, that little
resizer on the bottom corner stays white, which ruins the look. Is there 
an

easy way to change it?

And while we're on the subject of UI, how do I change the titlebar color?
Hopefully there's a way to do it that looks good on both Mac and Windows.
Windows has a blue titlebar, and the blue wraps around the edges of the
window, so I don't know how I would change that (please let me know if
possible).


The things that are annoying you are system settings, not Rev
settings. To change them you would have to turn off the standard
titlebar and resizer and add your own as graphics to the window.

Then you will have to script all the functionality that the system
gives you for free (resizing, moving the window, closing, maximizing,
minimizing).

You could use a windowShape image instead, but I'm not sure how that
would go with resizing.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Cue-points in Quicktime

2006-06-05 Thread RGould8
Say, I'm trying to convert an application that I wrote in Director over to 
Revolution, and I'm wondering if Revolution has a means of intercepting the 
Quicktime "cue-points" from the text-track and displaying them in a text field? 
  
I tried using the Quicktime External demo stack (replacing the movie in that 
stack with my own Quicktime, but I didn't receive any Quicktime cue-point data 
from it using the call-back method.   Am I out of luck?

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Re: That annoying little resizer

2006-06-05 Thread Sarah Reichelt

On 6/6/06, Jack Tsu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Whenever I set the background color of a window on the Mac, that little
resizer on the bottom corner stays white, which ruins the look. Is there an
easy way to change it?

And while we're on the subject of UI, how do I change the titlebar color?
Hopefully there's a way to do it that looks good on both Mac and Windows.
Windows has a blue titlebar, and the blue wraps around the edges of the
window, so I don't know how I would change that (please let me know if
possible).


The things that are annoying you are system settings, not Rev
settings. To change them you would have to turn off the standard
titlebar and resizer and add your own as graphics to the window.

Then you will have to script all the functionality that the system
gives you for free (resizing, moving the window, closing, maximizing,
minimizing).

You could use a windowShape image instead, but I'm not sure how that
would go with resizing.

Cheers,
Sarah
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That annoying little resizer

2006-06-05 Thread Jack Tsu
Whenever I set the background color of a window on the Mac, that little 
resizer on the bottom corner stays white, which ruins the look. Is there an 
easy way to change it?


And while we're on the subject of UI, how do I change the titlebar color? 
Hopefully there's a way to do it that looks good on both Mac and Windows. 
Windows has a blue titlebar, and the blue wraps around the edges of the 
window, so I don't know how I would change that (please let me know if 
possible).


Thank you in advance.

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Re: robotics

2006-06-05 Thread Stephen Barncard

This might be a start - at least at the prototype stage:
http://www.bkohg.com/service_e.html

and you can use it from rev. it's all about input/output



Hey:

I am a long-time METACARD user, and I am working on a project where some
robotics is required. I have NO experience with robotics, sensors or
controllers, but I thought it might be a cool learning experience. I
also thought I could use metacard (Rev) to control the robotics stuff.

Does anyone out there have any experience with using Rev for robotics? I
would like to find a consultant or company that I could contract to help
me set this up.

If you are interested, the application is an auto-balance / auto-steer
mechanism for a human powered vehicle I built for a speed record:

http://www.adventuresofgreg.com/HPVMain.html

Thanks,
Greg K



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[OT] RevCentral Newsletter #11

2006-06-05 Thread Chipp Walters

Hot of the presses!

Another issue of RevCentral Newsletter is making the rounds. If
haven't already seen it in your InBox, then you can subscribe (free)
at:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/revCentralHome/default.htm

Dan talks about some new Ruby on Rails type of funtionality for RunRev
which will be demo'ed at RevCentral. Also, there's some new tips for
working with externals (especially altBrowser and altSQLite) in latest
release: Rev 2.7.2.

Also, check out some interesting 3rd party news. Hope you take a look!

If you're not subscribed, you can view the newsletter at:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/Number11/default.htm

-Chipp
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Re: Creating perfect cursors in Revolution

2006-06-05 Thread Chipp Walters

Steve,

Great stuff. I seem to remember Scott Raney recommending using the
pencil tool in RunRev to edit the cursor image by setting the pen
color to black and clicking on a black pixel in the image while in
'edit mode' -- thus effectively "blessing" the image.

I haven't tried building cursors in some time, but do remember having
problems which, I remember fixing with the above technique.

best,

Chipp
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Re: Linux installation

2006-06-05 Thread J. Landman Gay

Bob Warren wrote:

You may be right, and in fact what you recommend may represent a "safe" 
policy, but that is not exactly what I ran into. I produced a Realbasic 
module that I thought was a "standalone", but later discovered that it 
was an "executable" (i.e. not a "standalone").


You probably shouldn't get too hung up on the terminology. In general, 
"standalone" means "executable". The term is a holdover from the 
HyperCard days, and was invented 10 or 12 years ago to distinguish 
between stacks, which require a separate engine or Player, and 
applications, which "stand alone" because they do not need a Player. In 
HyperCard, a standalone simply meant that the engine was embedded into 
the file on disk. And that is pretty much what Rev does too.


Revolution extends the process a bit by embedding as many resources from 
the IDE as it can (script and image libraries, mostly,) but 
"standalones" still depend heavily on certain features of the OS. If you 
think of them as "executables" you will probably be more on-track.


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Re: Linux installation

2006-06-05 Thread Bob Warren

Mark Wieder wrote:
>
This issue that Bob ran into here is that you can't build a standalone
that relies on gnome GUI libraries and expect it to run in a kde
environment where those libraries don't exist. If I build a kde
standalone that used some specific features of my desktop environment
I'd expect that it wouldn't run on Bob's gnome desktop either.

--
Mark:

You may be right, and in fact what you recommend may represent a "safe" 
policy, but that is not exactly what I ran into. I produced a Realbasic 
module that I thought was a "standalone", but later discovered that it 
was an "executable" (i.e. not a "standalone"). In fact, this RB GUI 
program ran OK on some KDE versions of Linux, but (surprisingly) not on 
Kubuntu.


Within my limited experience of Rev/Linux, I have never had any trouble 
running/exchanging Rev standalone programs between Gnome and KDE, so far...


Has anyone ever had the experience of creating a Rev standalone in 
Linux, subsequently finding that it does not run successfully on another 
flavour of Linux, regardless of whether it is Gnome or KDE?


What I am going to do later on today is to take an Ubuntu Gnome Rev 
standalone I have created, load up the latest Kubuntu live CD, and see 
whether it runs. I'll let you know what happens.


Another experiment I could do later is to make sure I include libraries 
in my Gnome Rev standalone that I know do not exist in KDE, and see 
whether that runs.



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Re: Problems building Mac OSX standalone (mostly resolved)

2006-06-05 Thread J. Landman Gay

Jon Seymour wrote:
Peter, thanks, you were right. I needed to add several files to the 
location you wrote about, and now things seem dandy!


One final puzzler: my custom icon (.icns) file is placed in the package 
at contents/resources/revolution.icns. When I launch the app, my custom 
icon appears nicely in the Dock. But it is still not used for the 
desktop icon. How do I get that to happen?


This is an OS X glitch, which does not update the file correctly after 
it has been created. My favorite method is to Get Info on your new app, 
click on the icon in the little box, and hit the delete key. They forces 
the Finder to update the file's appearance.


Another method is to zip the file, throw away the original, and then 
unzip. The Finder will update the icon when the app is decompressed.


A third method is to issue an AppleScript command. The command is 
"update" and you provide a file path.


I usually use method #1 which is by far the easiest.

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Re: Linux installation

2006-06-05 Thread Mark Wieder
Ken-

Sunday, June 4, 2006, 4:09:44 PM, you wrote:

> The only clarification I'd make is that the Revolution engine itself (which
> is bundled together with your stack when you make a standalone) requires
> certain OS-level libraries on Linux, and if they are not available, your
> application won't run. This can be seen when trying to use Rev as a CGI on a
> Linux server without all the necessary Linux libraries in place (see
> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/cgi001.htm for more
> info). I'm assuming that since the Rev executable can simply be dragged to a
> Linux web server for use as a CGI (or it *used* to, anyway) that the same
> thing is true - if you're missing "libXext.so.6" for example, it may not
> run.  (If anyone sees that I'm wrong, please let me know...)

And the issue of reliance on external libraries isn't confined just to
linux. You can't, for example, build an OSX standalone and expect it
to run under Windows. There are always going to be OS dependencies.
This issue that Bob ran into here is that you can't build a standalone
that relies on gnome GUI libraries and expect it to run in a kde
environment where those libraries don't exist. If I build a kde
standalone that used some specific features of my desktop environment
I'd expect that it wouldn't run on Bob's gnome desktop either.

> Other than that, I'd be kind of careful with your definition of "standalone"
> and the definition used by Revolution for "standalone". Rev applications
> built using "Save as Standalone" can either be self-contained, or can call
> on outside resources as necessary, based on how they were coded. So to be
> glib, sometimes standalones are "standalones", and sometimes they're
> "executables"... ;-)

A standalone could, for example, have a dozen QuickTime movies as
external files. It's not necessarily just a single file. As I see it,
the distinction between a stack and the standalone built from that
stack is that in the IDE the stack relies on resources from the IDE
(the rev engine, various libraries...) which are which are packaged
together into the standalone when it's built. So you end up with as
much of the IDE as you need without the actual IDE.

> Personally, I always use the word "exectuable" when talking about apps on
> Windows and Linux, and "application" when talking about apps on MacOS...

(MSWord's spelling checker didn't like "MacOS", and suggested that you
might have meant "maces"... of course, my email client didn't like
"MSWord's" and suggested "swords"...)

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Re: Rev Media 2.7.2

2006-06-05 Thread J. Landman Gay

Felix Theissen wrote:

Hi,

same problem here.
My 2.7.1 Rev Media license does not
work with Rev Media 2.7.2.


There seems to be a glitch with a few of the 2.7.2 Media license keys. 
Don't worry, it's being fixed. You were correct to write to support, and 
they will issue you a revised code if necessary.


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robotics

2006-06-05 Thread Greg Kolodziejzyk
Hey:

I am a long-time METACARD user, and I am working on a project where some
robotics is required. I have NO experience with robotics, sensors or
controllers, but I thought it might be a cool learning experience. I
also thought I could use metacard (Rev) to control the robotics stuff.

Does anyone out there have any experience with using Rev for robotics? I
would like to find a consultant or company that I could contract to help
me set this up.

If you are interested, the application is an auto-balance / auto-steer
mechanism for a human powered vehicle I built for a speed record:

http://www.adventuresofgreg.com/HPVMain.html

Thanks,
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Re: Creating perfect cursors in Revolution

2006-06-05 Thread Jim Ault
Excellent contribution.
I am sure that many have done battle and given up.

Thanks
Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 6/5/06 10:11 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> For the past two years I've benefited greatly from advice given through this
> forum, so I'd like to give something back in return.   Creating cursors in
> Revolution has been problematic. Despite creating 16x16 images in black and
> white, sometimes the cursors do not show up correctly on both platforms.
> Sometimes 
> there is only a white square or a black filled-in image.   The following
> method shows how to   produce perfect cursors every time for both Macintosh
> and 
> Windows (qualifier: I used Mac OS X, Revolution 2.7 and Photoshop 7.0 to
> create 
> them, and I'm not sure how other versions would work):
> 
> Directions for making cursors in Revolution:
> 1.   Open Photoshop. Name the image, Mode being RGB color, Background
> Transparent, and width and height 16 pixels.
> 2.   Change Image/Mode to Indexed Color, using the defaults for indexed color
> (Palette: Exact; Forced: Web; Transparency checked; Matte: none)
> 3. With image maximally magnified, used the pencil tool to insert black or
> white pixels.   Enclosed areas can be filled with white or black if desired
> and 
> pixels can be erased if desired.
> 4.   Save as PNG.
> 5.   Bring the PNG image into Revolution and note it's ID number (it may be
> 1003 for instance).
> 6.   In the script to call the cursor write:
> on mouseUp
> set lockcursor to true
> set the cursor to 1003 -- if that's the ID number
> end mouseUp
> 
> It is interesting that sometimes there can two identical pictures in
> Photoshop, one of which will show up cursors correctly and the other will show
> up only 
> a white square or a black filled image, even though all the parameters in
> Photoshop seem to be the same!!   I don't know why this should be the case but
> it 
> implies that there is something different about the two images even if not
> apparent.   This can be easily corrected either by creating a new Photoshop
> 16x16 document, carefully duplicating the pixels of the defective image, or
> more 
> simply, just pasting the defective image into the new Photoshop document.
> The 
> cursors should then appear fine.
> 
> I plan to attend the Revolution conference next week in Monterey and will
> bring 25 cursors I've created for those interested in using them.   Perhaps
> they 
> might be incorporated into a future version of Revolution.
> Steve Goldberg
> President, MedMaster Inc
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www. medmaster.net
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Creating perfect cursors in Revolution

2006-06-05 Thread Stgoldberg
For the past two years I've benefited greatly from advice given through this 
forum, so I'd like to give something back in return.   Creating cursors in 
Revolution has been problematic. Despite creating 16x16 images in black and 
white, sometimes the cursors do not show up correctly on both platforms. 
Sometimes 
there is only a white square or a black filled-in image.   The following 
method shows how to   produce perfect cursors every time for both Macintosh and 
Windows (qualifier: I used Mac OS X, Revolution 2.7 and Photoshop 7.0 to create 
them, and I'm not sure how other versions would work):

Directions for making cursors in Revolution:
1.   Open Photoshop. Name the image, Mode being RGB color, Background 
Transparent, and width and height 16 pixels.
2.   Change Image/Mode to Indexed Color, using the defaults for indexed color 
(Palette: Exact; Forced: Web; Transparency checked; Matte: none)
3. With image maximally magnified, used the pencil tool to insert black or 
white pixels.   Enclosed areas can be filled with white or black if desired and 
pixels can be erased if desired.
4.   Save as PNG.   
5.   Bring the PNG image into Revolution and note it's ID number (it may be 
1003 for instance).
6.   In the script to call the cursor write:
on mouseUp
set lockcursor to true
set the cursor to 1003 -- if that's the ID number
end mouseUp

It is interesting that sometimes there can two identical pictures in 
Photoshop, one of which will show up cursors correctly and the other will show 
up only 
a white square or a black filled image, even though all the parameters in 
Photoshop seem to be the same!!   I don't know why this should be the case but 
it 
implies that there is something different about the two images even if not 
apparent.   This can be easily corrected either by creating a new Photoshop 
16x16 document, carefully duplicating the pixels of the defective image, or 
more 
simply, just pasting the defective image into the new Photoshop document.   The 
cursors should then appear fine.

I plan to attend the Revolution conference next week in Monterey and will 
bring 25 cursors I've created for those interested in using them.   Perhaps 
they 
might be incorporated into a future version of Revolution.
Steve Goldberg
President, MedMaster Inc
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www. medmaster.net
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Re: Problems building Mac OSX standalone (mostly resolved)

2006-06-05 Thread Jon Seymour
Peter, thanks, you were right. I needed to add several files to the  
location you wrote about, and now things seem dandy!


One final puzzler: my custom icon (.icns) file is placed in the  
package at contents/resources/revolution.icns. When I launch the app,  
my custom icon appears nicely in the Dock. But it is still not used  
for the desktop icon. How do I get that to happen?


Thanks again!

Jon



Message: 11
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:54:25 -0500
From: "Peter T. Evensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problems building Mac OSX standalone
To: How to use Revolution 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

What version of Revolution are you using?

I'm not sure, but I think substacks (if they are broken out) might be
bundled in the .app folder.  Ctrl-click on the app and choose "Show  
Package

Contents" and look under Contents/MacOS/

At 03:42 PM 6/2/2006, you wrote:


Hi,

After many months of successfully making Windows standalones from my
OSX Tiger development machine, I tried building an OSX app today. To
my chagrin, the process was futile. Although Rev claims to have saved
the standalone successfully, the first bad sign is that when I
dismiss the dialog to that effect, Rev immediately crashes. Then,
examining the standalone, I see that Rev has not obeyed my command to
create a separate stack file from each substack...in fact it's a
single file. The new folder to contain the stack files is not created
either. The app launches but doesn't work, as I would imagine since
none of the files are where they are supposed to be. Finally, the app
doesn't feature the icon I assigned in the standalone preferences,
but rather the generic application icon. Help, anyone?

Thanks, Jon
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Re: Unicode sorting

2006-06-05 Thread Devin Asay


On Jun 2, 2006, at 5:09 PM, Dar Scott wrote:



On Jun 2, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Devin Asay wrote:


You're starting to convince me that UTF is the way to go.


8


8... Right. UTF-8. It was in my head but got stuck before it came out  
my fingers.


UTF-8


Devin

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Re: Relayering and dragging a group within a group

2006-06-05 Thread Jonathan Lynch

relayer a group that is within another group is rather tricky...

It can be done, and I can send you a stack that does it if you want. What I
have done is this -
1)set the relayergroupedcontrols property to true
2)move all the subgroups to the bottom of the master group - this has to be
done in the correct order, so that when this process is finished the target
group has moved up or down a layer as desired
3)set the relayergroupedcontrols property back to false

This is, in my experience, the best way to do it. If you just directly
change the layer of the subgroup, it will wind up being moved inside another
subgroup, and will seem to dissappear.

On 6/4/06, David Epstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


When the mouse is pressed on a button, I want the group that it is
part of to come to the front and be draggable to a different
location.  There are several such groups, and all are parts of a
higher-level group called "wb."

The group "wb" has the following script:

on mouseDown
  if "button" is in the target then

-- (1) put the group this button belongs to on top of other
-- groups that are subgroups of group "wb":
put the short id of the owner of the target into tgid
start editing group "wb"
set the layer of group id tgid to top
stop editing

-- (2) move this group with the mouse until the mouse is released:
grab group id tgid of group "wb"
  end if
end mouseDown

Part (2) does not work (using Metacard 2.5 on Mac OSX 10.4).  If I
comment out part (1), part (2) works as expected.  Can anyone see an
error or suggest a remedy?

Many thanks.

David Epstein
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Script Snatcher

2006-06-05 Thread Richmond Mathewson
I have just uploaded a new version of 'Script Snatcher' that adds date about 
card & object sizes and positions to the text file. I suppose that with a bit 
of work it should be possible to write a stack that will reconstruct from the 
text file!

Download it from the 'Richmond's RR Rantings' group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/richmondsrrr/

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson




"Philosophical problems are confusions arising owing to the fluidity of 
meanings users attach to words and phrases."
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Play a Player Backwards [OT]

2006-06-05 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Err, Well . . .if its any comfort my first phrase when I was 1 year old was not 
"Mama" but "yeah, Yeah, Yeah" - honest! I was born in 1962.

A sixties Toad - so, Bufo, Bufo to you too!

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Re: Play a Player Backwards [OT]

2006-06-05 Thread Bill
After you like the back of a Bufo Marianus then you play the Beatles song
backwards and it says: "Paul is Dead".


On 6/5/06 8:47 AM, "Richmond Mathewson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mark Swindell has obviously got a different sense of humour to mine: I didn't
> understand the "Paul is dead" bit at all: -
> 
> Saint Paul
> 
> Paul McCartney
> 
> Paul M'Legg  ???
> 
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
> 
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Re: Play a Player Backwards [OT]

2006-06-05 Thread Ken Ray
On 6/5/06 7:47 AM, "Richmond Mathewson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mark Swindell has obviously got a different sense of humour to mine: I didn't
> understand the "Paul is dead" bit at all: -

It's a Beatles hoax that made the rounds:

http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3674/pid.html


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RE: Application Icons (Thomas Cole)

2006-06-05 Thread Lynn Fredricks
> I would like to have a decent application icon for both Mac 
> and Windows. I just want something besides the giant, honkin' 
> R for revolution for Mac.
> 
> There's a generic icon that is part of the standalone setup 
> for Windows. I assume no one will sue me if I use that one? 
> It looks like a computer screen with a tower computer by it. 
> It's a white screen outlined in blue. That's what I get 
> automatically when I create the standalone for windows.
> 
> I thought that one of my standalones for Mac came out with 
> the application icon that looks like a piece of paper with a 
> pencil, ruler and pen on it. I've seen that icon on other 
> applications. Is it legal to use that one for distribution? 
> It looks like the icon in the finder that is the folder for 
> applications and is named applications.

Unless you know for sure you are legally permitted to use an icon (maybe its
public domain) I wouldn't do it. Icons are intellectual property like any
other.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd


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Play a Player Backwards [OT]

2006-06-05 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Mark Swindell has obviously got a different sense of humour to mine: I didn't 
understand the "Paul is dead" bit at all: - 

Saint Paul

Paul McCartney

Paul M'Legg  ???

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson




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Re: Rev Media 2.7.2

2006-06-05 Thread Felix Theissen

Hi,

same problem here.
My 2.7.1 Rev Media license does not
work with Rev Media 2.7.2.
Send already an email to support.
(Where can I redownload a Rev Media 2.7.1 copy
in the meantime)

Felix Theissen

From: "Lynn Fredricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Rev Media 2.7.2
To: "'How to use Revolution'" 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

I was a bit surprised to find that my license code for Rev
Media 2.7.1 did not work for 2.7.2. I had understood that
minor upgrades were covered in the 2.7.1 license - obviously
I was wrong: the license does say it includes no upgrades -
and that upgrades must be purchased separately. However, the
only upgrades related to Rev Media seem to be from Media to
Studio and so on, not to newer versions of Rev Media. Mind
you on my budget here in Bulgaria I will be unable to buy
upgrades every 2 months or so.

We've had a few reports of problems updating Media to 2.7.2. It's a free
update. If you are experiencing a problem, make sure you send a note to
support. This should get sorted out on Monday.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd

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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 33, Issue 6

2006-06-05 Thread Felix Theissen


Hi,

same problem here.
My 2.7.1 Rev Media license does not
work with Rev Media 2.7.2.
Send already an email to support.
(Where can I redownload a Rev Media 2.7.1 copy
in the meantime)

Felix Theissen



From: "Lynn Fredricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Rev Media 2.7.2
To: "'How to use Revolution'" 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"


I was a bit surprised to find that my license code for Rev
Media 2.7.1 did not work for 2.7.2. I had understood that
minor upgrades were covered in the 2.7.1 license - obviously
I was wrong: the license does say it includes no upgrades -
and that upgrades must be purchased separately. However, the
only upgrades related to Rev Media seem to be from Media to
Studio and so on, not to newer versions of Rev Media. Mind
you on my budget here in Bulgaria I will be unable to buy
upgrades every 2 months or so.


We've had a few reports of problems updating Media to 2.7.2. It's a  
free
update. If you are experiencing a problem, make sure you send a  
note to

support. This should get sorted out on Monday.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd


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Re: I am glad I can donate something

2006-06-05 Thread Martin Blackman

Nice work, very promising !
For some reason the text window resizes itself to obscure the button
bar when you resize the stack -maybe its because your graphic
'dataBGrect' is too tall ? I'm running it on windows so it could be a
cross-platform thingy.
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Re: Random Hotspot location

2006-06-05 Thread Bill Marriott
Every "object" (or more correctly, "control") in Revolution has a location 
(or "loc") which is the x, y coordinate where that object is located. You 
can easily get and set the location of objects.

Here's one way you could build your program using locations:

1. Put in your backdrop image.

2. Make small, square-ish buttons for each one of the hotspots. For 
convenience, name each button with the corresponding letter of the alphabet. 
Don't worry about making them invisible for now, but do position them where 
you want them to be.

To make quick work of this, just draw the first button, then duplicate it 
and position it repeatedly. Then open up the message box, switch to the 
multiline mode, and enter this short script:

repeat with i = 1 to the number of buttons
set the name of button i to char i of \
  "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"
end repeat

3. Import as a Control the image you are using for the pointer. 
(Control-Shift-.) Name it "MyPointer" -- a PNG with a transparent hole cut 
out for the "Viewing Hole" works great. Another approach is to set the blend 
mode of the pointer graphic to 50% so it's somewhat translucent.

4. Create a new field, "MyWords" off to the side. Switch to run mode (white 
arrow) and enter a few words into the list, separated by returns.

5. Put a button below the word list named "Spell It Out" and put this in for 
the script:

on mouseUp
  put random(the number of lines in fld "MyWords") into n
  repeat for each char x in line n of fld "MyWords"
move img "MyPointer" to the loc of btn x in 2 secs
wait 200 milliseconds
  end repeat
end mouseUp

When you click the button you'll see the pointer move to each letter, 
pausing briefly at each.

What about all those ugly buttons? Hide/Show them by creating a new button 
with this script:

on mouseUp
  repeat for each char n in "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"
set the visible of button n to not the visible of btn n
  end repeat
end mouseUp

Clicking the new button will hide or show the buttons used as "hot spots."

I uploaded a sample stack to Rev Online. Look under "MerryOtter" for the 
stack "Moving Pointer."

Cheers,

Bill


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news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I'm sure this is easier than I think, but I seem to be having some 
> trouble.
> I have a relatively simple program in mind. Imagine an image with 
> multiple
> hot spots that have been labeled with letters. I desire to make a  program 
> with
> an image pointer that randomly selects a word or phrase from a text  file, 
> and
> then spells it out on the image where the corresponding letters are on 
> the
> background image. So, to clarify there are two images: one image is the
> background (The one with all the letters), the second is the pointer image 
> (Which
> points to the letter). Think of an Ouija board (Only without the board). 
> I'd
> also like to move the pointer around and select random letters. Maybe it's 
> the
> random stuff that keeps throwing me off. What's so frustrating is I know
> it's possible. And it genuinely sounds very simple. What would be the best 
> way
> to define the hot spots on the image? And how can I get the random moving
> pointer to work right? Any thoughts, pointers, or assistance on this 
> project  will
> be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
>
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Re: I am glad I can donate something

2006-06-05 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi Claudi,

First of all, this is really a cool stack. Congratulations.

The cursor ID was still causing an error. Why don't you include that  
cursor in your stack? That would solve it.


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Op 5-jun-2006, om 11:03 heeft Claudi Cornaz het volgende geschreven:


Hi,

I am glad you like it. Questions about tree views have been on the  
list
quite often, so I hope this can help some people to get started.  
Much more
could be said about treeviews / hierarchical lists and list fields  
in general.
I am working on a librarie for this kind of thing right now. It's  
quite complex

to get it all right.
It has to handle, folders, treeviews, and other compound  
datastructures, divider lines,
checkboxes, and other kinds of icons like an eye or a checkmark etc  
in front of a line
 (or someplace inbetween). All this with full drag and drop etc.  
It's a lot of

work but slowly it's getting along.

Anyway I have changed the cursor id, I believe it was a standart  
cursor in rev 2.5.

It's updated now and I also removed the breakpoints.
You can download it from:  www.cc-imaginering.nl/runrev/2Gather/ 
2Gather.rev.zip


For those who like it you, can now also download the standalone  
(unfortunatly
only for mac, I didn't try it on windows, if anyone get's it  
working on windows

I would appreciate a copy so I can learn some of the windows part)
You can download the standalone from:  www.cc-imaginering.nl/runrev/ 
2Gather/2Gather.app.zip


Best wishes to you all,
Claudi


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Re: I am glad I can donate something

2006-06-05 Thread Claudi Cornaz

Hi,

I am glad you like it. Questions about tree views have been on the list
quite often, so I hope this can help some people to get started. Much 
more
could be said about treeviews / hierarchical lists and list fields in 
general.
I am working on a librarie for this kind of thing right now. It's quite 
complex

to get it all right.
It has to handle, folders, treeviews, and other compound 
datastructures, divider lines,
checkboxes, and other kinds of icons like an eye or a checkmark etc in 
front of a line
 (or someplace inbetween). All this with full drag and drop etc. It's a 
lot of

work but slowly it's getting along.

Anyway I have changed the cursor id, I believe it was a standart cursor 
in rev 2.5.

It's updated now and I also removed the breakpoints.
You can download it from:  
www.cc-imaginering.nl/runrev/2Gather/2Gather.rev.zip


For those who like it you, can now also download the standalone 
(unfortunatly
only for mac, I didn't try it on windows, if anyone get's it working on 
windows

I would appreciate a copy so I can learn some of the windows part)
You can download the standalone from:  
www.cc-imaginering.nl/runrev/2Gather/2Gather.app.zip


Best wishes to you all,
Claudi

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Re: Random Hotspot location

2006-06-05 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi SupermanSlyr,

What have you tried so far and where did you get stuck?

Do you mean that the pointer image is supposed to more around? How?

What do you mean by random? Is there any user interaction involved?

Best,

Mark

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Op 5-jun-2006, om 10:38 heeft [EMAIL PROTECTED] het volgende  
geschreven:


I'm sure this is easier than I think, but I seem to be having some   
trouble.
I have a relatively simple program in mind. Imagine an image with   
multiple
hot spots that have been labeled with letters. I desire to make a   
program with
an image pointer that randomly selects a word or phrase from a  
text  file, and
then spells it out on the image where the corresponding letters are  
on  the
background image. So, to clarify there are two images: one image is  
the
background (The one with all the letters), the second is the  
pointer image  (Which
points to the letter). Think of an Ouija board (Only without the  
board).  I'd
also like to move the pointer around and select random letters.  
Maybe it's  the
random stuff that keeps throwing me off. What's so frustrating is I  
know
it's possible. And it genuinely sounds very simple. What would be  
the best way
to define the hot spots on the image? And how can I get the random  
moving
pointer to work right? Any thoughts, pointers, or assistance on  
this project  will

be greatly appreciated.



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Random Hotspot location

2006-06-05 Thread SupermanSlyr
I'm sure this is easier than I think, but I seem to be having some  trouble. 
I have a relatively simple program in mind. Imagine an image with  multiple 
hot spots that have been labeled with letters. I desire to make a  program with 
an image pointer that randomly selects a word or phrase from a text  file, and 
then spells it out on the image where the corresponding letters are on  the 
background image. So, to clarify there are two images: one image is the  
background (The one with all the letters), the second is the pointer image  
(Which 
points to the letter). Think of an Ouija board (Only without the board).  I'd 
also like to move the pointer around and select random letters. Maybe it's  the 
random stuff that keeps throwing me off. What's so frustrating is I know  
it's possible. And it genuinely sounds very simple. What would be the best way  
to define the hot spots on the image? And how can I get the random moving  
pointer to work right? Any thoughts, pointers, or assistance on this project  
will 
be greatly appreciated. 
 
 
 


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