Re: about Galaxy
Lynn, Agreed! But don't you think that on an dual core AMDX2 4400+ machine I shouldn't see any delay merely inserting a line with the built-in script editor? I mean -- even on 2.7.4, new stack, new button, new script -- I press return and I literally can watch as discreet events - the "end mouseup" text shift down, - the cursor go to the beginning of the current line... - and then mosey on down to the new blank line. It's so slow I can even see the insertion point indicator blink once or twice before the new line is ready! It's been this way since version 2.7 and it's one of the reasons I continue to stick with 2.6.1. I hope expecting Rev's edit window to keep up with my typing isn't going "hog wild" on feature requests. Lynn Fredricks wrote: > An important key to success in the third party market space is > differentiation and continuous innovation. Galaxy provides a drop in > replacement for scripting and it does it in a unique way. Just because > Galaxy exists, it doesn't mean that Runtime will not improve the script > editor. At the same time, Runtime isnt going to go hog wild on the script > editor because Runtime has to look after the whole product. Jerry and > Trevor > have done some wonderful things with Galaxy and they continue to improve > it > every day. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Who's Kevin?
While using my Media IDE I deleted a text field with the 'Canc' button on Windows XP but also got a message box which contained "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"!! No close button or OK etc..It just stayed there unremovable, it froze the Rev tool bar completely and would not let Rev shut down in any way.I had to log out and reboot to get things back to normal. Who is Kevin and why should I want to email him anyway?(no suggestions to last bit, please!) Barry Barber ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: about Galaxy
It would be more convenient to the end-users if all these products would be integrated "by default". This would ensure that user gets 100% functionality of the product with a single purchase eliminating efforts and time waste related with what-else-I-have-to-buy. On another hand this would ensure that third-party tools are sold with every Studio purchase. Maybe there would be an increase in the price of a bundle, but this might reduce prices for the third party tools because these would be sold with 100% efficiency (with each Studio purchase). So the final price of the bundle should be lower than buying each of those tools separately. Best wishes Viktoras ---Original Message--- From: Lynn Fredricks Date: 09/23/06 09:30:33 To: 'How to use Revolution' Subject: RE: about Galaxy > Even if Galaxy was perfect, Swami's main point would still be > valid. Galaxy presents many features/improvements which > really belong Revolution itself. An important key to success in the third party market space is differentiation and continuous innovation. Galaxy provides a drop in replacement for scripting and it does it in a unique way. Just because Galaxy exists, it doesn't mean that Runtime will not improve the script editor. At the same time, Runtime isnt going to go hog wild on the script editor because Runtime has to look after the whole product. Jerry and Trevor have done some wonderful things with Galaxy and they continue to improve it every day. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Who's Kevin?
Hi Barry, While using my Media IDE I deleted a text field with the 'Canc' button on Windows XP but also got a message box which contained "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"!! No close button or OK etc..It just stayed there unremovable, it froze the Rev tool bar completely and would not let Rev shut down in any way.I had to log out and reboot to get things back to normal. Who is Kevin and why should I want to email him anyway?(no suggestions to last bit, please!) well, I really don't know what is going on there, but that surely is Mr. Kevin Miller, CEO of Runtime Revolution Ltd. Just drop him a line, maybe he can shed some light on this ;-) Barry Barber Best Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: about Galaxy
I think Lynn has hit the nail on the head. Diversity is the hallmark of evolution. Choice and diversity in the market place is what it's all about. There's never going to be one product to please everyone. Creators of products keep trying to solve problems in new and better ways. It's how innovation takes place. The idea that "Revolution should provide this or that feature...I shouldn't have to buy a third party product..." is one of the better pieces of circular logic I've heard over the last couple of years. When can you ever NOT say that? Let's say year from now Rev 3.0 will be out with object orientation and a new IDE from head to toe. Galaxy will also be there with an alternate IDE that includes features not in the Rev IDE. "Hey, Revolution should have done that...I shouldn't have to buy Galaxy to get that feature!" Circular logic. You can always say that. Galaxy provides an alternative to the script editor, the property inspector, the application browser, the message box, the dictionary, the tool bar, the dock, and--in the upcoming v1.5--the contextual menus. You can pick and choose what you want to use to suit your work flow. This process introduces new notions about getting our work done and helps the whole Revolution product line evolve. It's understood that you have to keep up with the latest versions of Galaxy as new Revolution versions are released and as environmentally specific bugs are fixed in Galaxy. Feature requests are not bug reports, BTW. Best, Jerry Daniels Makers of Galaxy http://www.daniels-mara.com Voice: 512.879.6286 Skype: jerry.daniels On Sep 23, 2006, at 1:26 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Even if Galaxy was perfect, Swami's main point would still be valid. Galaxy presents many features/improvements which really belong Revolution itself. An important key to success in the third party market space is differentiation and continuous innovation. Galaxy provides a drop in replacement for scripting and it does it in a unique way. Just because Galaxy exists, it doesn't mean that Runtime will not improve the script editor. At the same time, Runtime isnt going to go hog wild on the script editor because Runtime has to look after the whole product. Jerry and Trevor have done some wonderful things with Galaxy and they continue to improve it every day. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: about Galaxy
Hi Bill, > But don't you think that on an dual core AMDX2 4400+ machine > I shouldn't see any delay merely inserting a line with the > built-in script editor? > > I mean -- even on 2.7.4, new stack, new button, new script -- > I press return and I literally can watch as discreet events > > - the "end mouseup" text shift down, > - the cursor go to the beginning of the current line... > - and then mosey on down to the new blank line. > > It's so slow I can even see the insertion point indicator > blink once or twice before the new line is ready! It's been > this way since version 2.7 and it's one of the reasons I > continue to stick with 2.6.1. > > I hope expecting Rev's edit window to keep up with my typing > isn't going "hog wild" on feature requests. You should bugzilla this if you havent already done so - this is a performance problem that doesn't have anything to do with features. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: about Galaxy
> It would be more convenient to the end-users if all these > products would be integrated "by default". This would ensure > that user gets 100% functionality of the product with a > single purchase eliminating efforts and time waste related > with what-else-I-have-to-buy. On another hand this would > ensure that third-party tools are sold with every Studio > purchase. Maybe there would be an increase in the price of a > bundle, but this might reduce prices for the third party > tools because these would be sold with 100% efficiency (with > each Studio purchase). So the final price of the bundle > should be lower than buying each of those tools separately. There is the superbundle now that comes with all the top selling add-ons: Enterprise, Quartam Reports Pro, Galaxy Studio, Animation Engine, Valentina Pro ADK and a nice support plan, with some savings. The problem with pre-installation is that it can enrage a certain customer segment if its not handled carefully; just like the "bundled demo". Here is a really nasty one (names removed) - I downloaded a supposedly 540 MB product that I purchased. On broadband, that doesn't take forever but it takes some time. When I get the product and install it, to my chagrin, there is a third party demo in it that takes up 180 MB of space. No indication that it was there to begin with. I already owned that product, so the last thing I needed was a demo of it. If a demo is very small and doesn't modify the user experience in a way that it annoying, its possible; there still is some risk though in support effects. Many years ago now, when I worked at Now Software, we bundled a sub-selection of Now Utilities with a few of the Apple Performa systems. While they were very popular (people thought it was part of the MacOS until they reinstalled and noticed part of the system was missing). It caused a lot of support issues - Apple would get calls about something related to NU, and Apple support staff would get mad and tell the customers just to remove them (which also made customers upset because they liked the features they added). Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd > ---Original Message--- > > From: Lynn Fredricks > Date: 09/23/06 09:30:33 > To: 'How to use Revolution' > Subject: RE: about Galaxy > > > Even if Galaxy was perfect, Swami's main point would still > be valid. > > Galaxy presents many features/improvements which really belong > > Revolution itself. > > An important key to success in the third party market space > is differentiation and continuous innovation. Galaxy provides > a drop in replacement for scripting and it does it in a > unique way. Just because Galaxy exists, it doesn't mean that > Runtime will not improve the script editor. At the same time, > Runtime isnt going to go hog wild on the script editor > because Runtime has to look after the whole product. Jerry and Trevor > > have done some wonderful things with Galaxy and they continue > to improve it every day. > > Best regards, > > > Lynn Fredricks > Worldwide Business Operations > Runtime Revolution, Ltd > > > > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
mySQL problem... HELPPPPPP
Hi, I've ran into a very strange problem and tried everything to solve it but no luck so far. Maybe someone else can shed a light on what's happening here... I have an application that connects to a mySQL database. I have a record in the Jobs table, containing various related records in the Joblines table. When I update a record in Jobs, a few fields get modified in the Jobs table and a new record is created in the Joblines table. What is shown is based on a userID, so when a job is sent to another user, the UserID changes. To refresh the screen I just create a query that shows all relevant jobs of a user, when he clicks on a job, all joblines are retrieved from mySQL. The strange thing is, that when I update the jobs, the old ones are still there, even when the UserID is not correct anymore. Using the same query in CocoaMySQL gives the correct result. When I click on a Job, I can see the correct (new) userID is in the record, but the query still retrieves it. I even removed all extra stuff and just sent the query (giving the correct result in CocoaMySQL) using the revDataFromQuery command, but I keep on getting the same (incorrect) result :-( Anyone any suggestions? I'm running RR version 2.7.2 on OS X, using a mySQL 4.1 database with the MyISAM engine Warm regards, Ton Kuypers Digital Media Partners bvba Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530 Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04 http://www.dmp-int.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
favicon.ico file conversion
I am looking for a way to get favicon.ico images into my Rev project. ( like this one: http://www.nytimes.com/favicon.ico ) I want to do this on OS X & Windows. Anyone know how my application might convert them to .png or some other image file so I can then get them in the application? I know how to convert them in OS X Preview, but need something for both platforms and not require the user to take extra steps - I want to get this done via my application. I want to use these for button icons. sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Printing more than one page
Adrian, I'll have to go look at the pages again, but I could swear there were links there to the store. Anyway, you can get to all of the downloadable Rev SmartEBooks here: http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html The top item on the page is the downloadable version of the original book. There's a link there to order the printed version if you prefer. The other books are below that item and available, as has been said, through download only. Dan On 9/22/06, Adrian Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Did you buy the SmartEBooklet from Dan in a Bar somewhere? Although there is a link to explain what a SmartEBook is - there is no option to buy! The only book on offer on the website is the printed $29.95 (already ordered). Any thoughts where I can get - - Smart? Adrian On 22 Sep 2006, at 17:15, Luis wrote: > Why didn't you go for the Download option?! > And the Printing in Revolution is only available as a download... > > Ok, I know, it's friday... > > Cheers, > > Luis. > > > Adrian Williams wrote: >> Now multiple pages are Printing out, how do I get rid of >> the text border and scroll bar hilites of the text field from the >> printed page? >> BTW: I've ordered Dan's book online - 3 to 4 week delivery in UK! >> Thanks, >> Adrian >> On 22 Sep 2006, at 16:59, Adrian Williams wrote: >>> Thanks to Stephen Barncard and Luis. >>> I can print multiple pages right now - which was the immediate >>> problem. >>> Will take your advice to read the suggested books. >>> Cheers, >>> Adrian >>> >>> On 22 Sep 2006, at 16:11, Luis wrote: >>> Hiya, Well, I bought the 'Printing in Revolution' SmartEBooklet from Dan, for $5. You can get it here: http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html I haven't had a look through it yet as I'm still getting to grips with Rev (still working through Volume 1...). Cheers, Luis. Adrian Williams wrote: > Have looked everywhere for a method to print more than ONE page of > text. > I have a text editor and want to give users the ability to Print > more than one page. > No terminology or searching for syntax related to multiple pages > throws up any answers. > Is done by sending more than one card to the Printer? > Is it done by Printing a long text field? > Neither of these ideas seems to be covered by the documentation or > online. > Appreciate any help to lift the gloom. > Thanks, > Adrian >>> >>> >>> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Website: http://www.clubtype.co.uk >>> >>> ___ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> >> ___ >> Adrian Williams Design Ltd (trading as Club Type), >> 44 Mill Lane, >> Merstham, >> Redhill, >> Surrey RH1 3HQ, UK >> Telephone/Facsimile: 01737 643300 >> dFax (computer reception): 0870 0515681 >> International tel/fax (UK)+44 1737 643300 >> International dFax: (UK)+44 870 0515681 >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Website: http://www.clubtype.co.uk >> ___ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > ___ Adrian Williams Design Ltd (trading as Club Type), 44 Mill Lane, Merstham, Redhill, Surrey RH1 3HQ, UK Telephone/Facsimile: 01737 643300 dFax (computer reception): 0870 0515681 International tel/fax (UK)+44 1737 643300 International dFax: (UK)+44 870 0515681 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.clubtype.co.uk ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: favicon.ico file conversion
On Sep 23, 2006, at 12:56 PM, sims wrote: I am looking for a way to get favicon.ico images into my Rev project. ( like this one: http://www.nytimes.com/favicon.ico ) I want to do this on OS X & Windows. Anyone know how my application might convert them to .png or some other image file so I can then get them in the application? ... GraphicConverter http://www.lemkesoft.com/ converted http:// www.nytimes.com/favicon.ico to a png, which I imported into Runtime Revolution without a hitch. t -- Tereza Snyder Califex Software, Inc. www.califexsoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: about Galaxy
Yes, I got the latest version. First: there is no question about the "beauty" elegance and power of Galaxy which is a testimony to Jerry's mastery of xTalk and vision for a productive environment. I would love to be able to use it... 1) I have some stacks that take about 5 times longer to open if Galaxy is installed. (on in particular where I am setting the image data for chars in a long field, which, thus, turns into an image previewer where you can cut and paste images into different order... is really bogging down if Galaxy is running in the IDE) 2) there is some latent "memory" of stacks that are not really being closed, even though I have destroy stack set to true and I keep getting into infinite loops where Rev keeps thinking a stack that is closed and removed from memory is still there. Asking me to purge. I click purge and same dialog keeps coming back. I have to force quit and start again. It happened enough times... So, unfortunately I had to uninstall it. So now "I'm sad" :-) ( the tabbed script editor and new dialog box to enter props values in Galaxy were wonderful, and so many other things too.) (hehe, Jerry's marketing thing about being sad if 30 days pass and that thing reverts to free Galaxy.. is delightful...and I was ready to buy it in a minute) But my point (meant only for Kevin really, not for the list... sorry about that) was simple: some key functionality in Galaxy, (and several other third party plug ins,) really should be on board the product. It's one thing to pay big bucks for macho imposition software (I live in a print world) as an add on to your layout program, (we paid for Quite Imposing because InDesign just doesn't have those tools) but you really should not have to play for a plug in just to get a better view of your trapping values to make choke and spread changes on spot color overlays. I'll give Galaxy another go in December and see if the problems have disappeared...it is indeed, otherwise, a "dream machine." On the upside for Revolution and for third party developers, one doesn't see this kind of discussion for improvement and actual responsiveness from the company or third party developers in many other realms, so for that we are all thankful! Stephen Barncard wrote: had slowdown and other problems with Constellation, but every gripe I had was totally fixed and better implemented in Galaxy. Are you sure you have the latest version? Did you report the bugs to Jerry on his Basecamp site? (I didn't see you there much...). The chatter is pretty low on the Basecamp site at this time - an indication of the satisfaction of the users... Personally I can't work without it anymore. sqb I had to uninstall Galaxy they other day... it was causing the whole IDE to slow down big time and several bugs it had before just never go away. Sivakatirswami>> ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: favicon.ico file conversion
Oops again. I think I'm trigger-happy today! I see now that what you were actually asking for was a way to convert them within your Rev application. The format is documented at http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ dnwui/html/msdn_icons.asp which is pretty clear if you read C. (!) I can imagine that deploying binaryrencode/decode adroitly might perform the conversion in Rev script. I wish I had the time; it looks like a fun little project. But maybe there are bit-wizard gurus on the list who've done it already. good luck, t ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: favicon.ico file conversion
At 2:40 PM -0500 9/23/06, Tereza Snyder wrote: GraphicConverter http://www.lemkesoft.com/ converted http://www.nytimes.com/favicon.ico to a png, which I imported into Runtime Revolution without a hitch. Thanks Tereza...GraphicConverter has a huge Applescript dictionary, so I might be able to get it done. My goal here is to have the user not even knowing how that png appears. However I am unsure that all users will have GraphicConverter, so unless they do it will be a solution. I'd also need a Windows solution. I am hoping there is some other method to get this done. sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: favicon.ico file conversion
On Sep 23 2006, at 19:56, sims wrote: I am looking for a way to get favicon.ico images into my Rev project. ( like this one: http://www.nytimes.com/favicon.ico ) I want to do this on OS X & Windows. Hi sims http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favicon leads to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICO_%28icon_image_file_format%29 leads to http://www.daubnet.com/formats/ICO.html It's too complex for me, but try to to use binarydecode, and please make the result freely available for everyone :P greetings Björnke -- official ChatRev page: http://chatrev.bjoernke.com Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: about Galaxy
Swami, What would you define as the latest version? Post specific bugs or performance problems on the Basecamp site (daniels-mara.updatelog.com) against the specific version you are running and you will get a perfectly working version within no time. You'll need a user name and password to get onto the site. Are you aware you're still posting publicly, btw? Best, Jerry Daniels Tool makers for the 21st century http://www.daniels-mara.com On Sep 23, 2006, at 3:58 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote: Yes, I got the latest version. First: there is no question about the "beauty" elegance and power of Galaxy which is a testimony to Jerry's mastery of xTalk and vision for a productive environment. I would love to be able to use it... 1) I have some stacks that take about 5 times longer to open if Galaxy is installed. (on in particular where I am setting the image data for chars in a long field, which, thus, turns into an image previewer where you can cut and paste images into different order... is really bogging down if Galaxy is running in the IDE) 2) there is some latent "memory" of stacks that are not really being closed, even though I have destroy stack set to true and I keep getting into infinite loops where Rev keeps thinking a stack that is closed and removed from memory is still there. Asking me to purge. I click purge and same dialog keeps coming back. I have to force quit and start again. It happened enough times... So, unfortunately I had to uninstall it. So now "I'm sad" :-) ( the tabbed script editor and new dialog box to enter props values in Galaxy were wonderful, and so many other things too.) (hehe, Jerry's marketing thing about being sad if 30 days pass and that thing reverts to free Galaxy.. is delightful...and I was ready to buy it in a minute) But my point (meant only for Kevin really, not for the list... sorry about that) was simple: some key functionality in Galaxy, (and several other third party plug ins,) really should be on board the product. It's one thing to pay big bucks for macho imposition software (I live in a print world) as an add on to your layout program, (we paid for Quite Imposing because InDesign just doesn't have those tools) but you really should not have to play for a plug in just to get a better view of your trapping values to make choke and spread changes on spot color overlays. I'll give Galaxy another go in December and see if the problems have disappeared...it is indeed, otherwise, a "dream machine." On the upside for Revolution and for third party developers, one doesn't see this kind of discussion for improvement and actual responsiveness from the company or third party developers in many other realms, so for that we are all thankful! Stephen Barncard wrote: had slowdown and other problems with Constellation, but every gripe I had was totally fixed and better implemented in Galaxy. Are you sure you have the latest version? Did you report the bugs to Jerry on his Basecamp site? (I didn't see you there much...). The chatter is pretty low on the Basecamp site at this time - an indication of the satisfaction of the users... Personally I can't work without it anymore. sqb I had to uninstall Galaxy they other day... it was causing the whole IDE to slow down big time and several bugs it had before just never go away. Sivakatirswami>> ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: about Galaxy
> On the upside for Revolution and for third party developers, > one doesn't see > this kind of discussion for improvement and actual > responsiveness from the company or third party developers in > many other realms, so for that we are all thankful! Im glad the third party developers are so proactive and engaged both in the technological aspects but also in the marketing of their products. Jerry and Malte, for example, are both RevSelect vendors and are able to take it to another level with co-marketing efforts with Runtime. RevSelect vendors have a weekly, one hour marketing conference with Runtime - that allows not only a vendor<->Runtime relationship to exist but, also allows RevSelect vendors to support each other. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: beepPitch
Hiya,
Ok, what I want to be able to do is control which speaker the sound
is coming from and be able to change the frequency ('pitch') of the
generated tone/note.
Cheers,
Luis.
On 22 Sep 2006, at 21:37, J. Landman Gay wrote:
Luis wrote:
Ok, now I'm stuck...
Having found EnhancedQT to bypass MIDI for the speaker control
(panning) I was hoping the beep command would sort me out on the
pitch side of things, but it looks like I'll have to go back to
MIDI after all!
Unless there's something else out there...
There are lots of people here using sound in all kinds of ways, so
there's a good chance you can accomplish what you want. At first I
thought you absolutely had to use MIDI, but now it sounds like you
are just looking for ways to control audio output. How about giving
us a detailed description of what you want to do, and then we can
give you some ideas about how to do it? What type of stack are you
trying to make?
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Re: about Galaxy
Swami, My only point is: when will what you say below NOT be the case? What if third party products always have stuff that Rev doesn't have? I think that WILL be the case. It's what makes a dynamic marketplace. Momentum. Supporting third party products creates a better Revolution. You think Marcus at Runtime Revolution, Ltd. doesn't want to beat the crap out of Galaxy's script editor? Sure he does. I want him to try. Creative tension can be very beneficial for evolution. WIthout the Pandavas and the Kuravas there would have been no Bhagavad Gita. It's amazing to hear all of you Mac guys spout a philosophy that is fully supported in Redmond, WA. Why don't we just get Microsoft to incorporate all the great features of Mac OS X? We shouldn't have to buy Mac OS! Let's just buy Vista. Yeah, that's the ticket. Mac OS--in terms of market share--IS a third party add-on!! Don't get me wrong...I do all my development on Mac and for the most part test on Windows. I love Mac OS X and my machine from Apple. But this "Revolution should be doing this, not third parties" circular logic leads nowhere. Runtime Revolution has its work cut out for it with getting a Rev engine with OOP. Third party product makers are doing their part to broaden the Revolution offering, bring alternatives and keep the momentum going. Unless, of course, you're fond of monopolies. Best, Jerry Daniels Tool makers for the 21st century http://www.daniels-mara.com On Sep 23, 2006, at 4:09 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: But my point (meant only for Kevin really, not for the list... sorry about that) was simple: some key functionality in Galaxy, (and several other third party plug ins,) really should be on board the product. It's one thing to pay big bucks for macho imposition software (I live in a print world) as an add on to your layout program, (we paid for Quite Imposing because InDesign just doesn't have those tools) but you really should not have to play for a plug in just to get a better view of your trapping values to make choke and spread changes on spot color overlays. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.7.4 Released
I have already emailed support about this, but hopefully someone from RR Ltd will see this during the weekend and fire their webmaster and hire someone who has a clue.. The announcement on the homepage links to the "whats_new.php" page, yet you are required to login to view the aforementioned page.. _ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.7.4 Released
I agree. If you buy a car, you'd expect to have the indicators built-in, not something that you'd have to buy from somewhere else afterwards. Would you expect to have a safety belt built-in when you buy a car? Well, originally the manufacturers said we should drive more carefully, so there wasn't a need for them to do so. If I then want to 'mod' my car, sure, that's an option: Funky paint job, (cough...) aerodynamic fairings, blah blah blah. For that I'd expect to pay extra. From what I've read on Galaxy, yeah, I'd buy it if I see the need for it in the future (still on the learning curve): It goes above what is currently available in the built-in IDE, and you get to keep the Lite version. I see no problem with that. When it comes to the Animation plug-in, again, yes: Basic 2D control is already in there, but I would have expected 3D to be in the dev environment too. I mean, it's like getting a dev tool that you have to buy the plug-in in order to control cursor position. I'd see basic 2D and 3D functionality as a built-in requirement (I shan't go into audio :) I see these, maybe incorrectly, as additions because of the additional functionality they provide. But basic dev tool controls? Yes. Especially so in this day and age. It's like the printers you buy nowadays: They don't include the cable!!! Now, is that stupid? Maybe not for the manufacturer. I can return the printer, can I return the dev tool? You've invested time and money on something that you hope will bring you returns (monetary or productivity or whatever). I understand where some of you are coming from (it may not apply to all!): It's the money. You want to do something and then you're told that's gonna cost extra. With the basic tool availability you can take steps towards that, and maybe then be able to invest in the plugins, but without them it's like a strange limbo. I don't want to sound as though I'm looking down, I'm one of the guys at the bottom. And I got a hangnail on audio... (did I say that again? Dear me...). There are different needs that a dev tool needs to cater for, and following research, you go for the one that best fits your needs (cough.. audio...) and then you strap yourself in to take the rough with the smooth. It will never be a smooth ride whatever tool you choose, but it can at least be less bumpy (Sorry, couldn't come up with a crappier description...). But, and it's a big BUT, you'd expect a certain level of facilities. What those are depends on many things: Previous tool experience, personal proclivities (visual, textual, etc) and tons of others. So maybe we should gather up our thoughts and state what we'd expect from a tool such as Revolution (I wonder how they're getting on at the improve Revolution mailing list...). Apologies if my thought seem a little disjointed, been up all night messing about with audio (ouch!). Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: about Galaxy
You think Marcus at Runtime Revolution, Ltd. doesn't want to beat the crap out of Galaxy's script editor? Sure he does. I want him to try. Creative tension can be very beneficial for evolution. WIthout the Pandavas and the Kuravas there would have been no Bhagavad Gita. Erm, sorry, but that's circular too...! (Chicken and egg thing). Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: about Galaxy
Good points Jerry... I was just trying to encourage Run Rev to keep upping the ante on the IDE I'll leave it at that. As what features one expects to be on board and what should be left to 3rd party developers is something noone will ever agree on. I may expect scripting tools and object property tools and a decent UI for text input and layout... to be part of the core meanwhile, (because I get that in the Adobe suite) someone else wants 3D stuff I like your "momentum" vision maybe today's Galaxy tools will be part of tomorrow's Rev IDE and then Galaxy will have new stars in it... etc. Galaxy is great I just need it to work. After all I do have it on my to do list to buy it! I'll take the Galaxy performance issues off this list and over to basecamp. Yes, I still have my log in. Best from Hawaii Sivakatirwami Jerry Daniels wrote: Swami, My only point is: when will what you say below NOT be the case? What if third party products always have stuff that Rev doesn't have? I think that WILL be the case. It's what makes a dynamic marketplace. Momentum. Supporting third party products creates a better Revolution. You think Marcus at Runtime Revolution, Ltd. doesn't want to beat the crap out of Galaxy's script editor? Sure he does. I want him to try. Creative tension can be very beneficial for evolution. WIthout the Pandavas and the Kuravas there would have been no Bhagavad Gita. It's amazing to hear all of you Mac guys spout a philosophy that is fully supported in Redmond, WA. Why don't we just get Microsoft to incorporate all the great features of Mac OS X? We shouldn't have to buy Mac OS! Let's just buy Vista. Yeah, that's the ticket. Mac OS--in terms of market share--IS a third party add-on!! Don't get me wrong...I do all my development on Mac and for the most part test on Windows. I love Mac OS X and my machine from Apple. But this "Revolution should be doing this, not third parties" circular logic leads nowhere. Runtime Revolution has its work cut out for it with getting a Rev engine with OOP. Third party product makers are doing their part to broaden the Revolution offering, bring alternatives and keep the momentum going. Unless, of course, you're fond of monopolies. Best, Jerry Daniels Tool makers for the 21st century http://www.daniels-mara.com On Sep 23, 2006, at 4:09 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: But my point (meant only for Kevin really, not for the list... sorry about that) was simple: some key functionality in Galaxy, (and several other third party plug ins,) really should be on board the product. It's one thing to pay big bucks for macho imposition software (I live in a print world) as an add on to your layout program, (we paid for Quite Imposing because InDesign just doesn't have those tools) but you really should not have to play for a plug in just to get a better view of your trapping values to make choke and spread changes on spot color overlays. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Om shanti (In Peace) Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.7.4 Released
Every software company on the planet faces the same issue as RR here. What one person considers "essential" to the product is someone else's "bloated feature-itis." I don't use footnotes and end notes much, so if Word left those out, I wouldn't care. But a friend of mine who writes research papers would scream bloody murder. No dev tool lets you do everything. And no dev tool could possibly anticipate every user's interests, preferences or perceived needs. Is animation "essential" to development work? Depends on the kind of development work you do. I don't use it at all. On the whole, I'm convinced Rev does as good a job as any dev tool maker of providing the essentials for developers and a lot of nice-to-haves besides. If I perceive a need for something they don't include, I'll gladly buy it from some third party. Dan Shafer ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: about Galaxy
That's the other thing. You're a user of Constellation, so--like everyone else who is--you can cross grade for free. Best, Jerry Daniels Tool makers for the 21st century http://www.daniels-mara.com On Sep 23, 2006, at 8:58 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: Good points Jerry... I was just trying to encourage Run Rev to keep upping the ante on the IDE I'll leave it at that. As what features one expects to be on board and what should be left to 3rd party developers is something noone will ever agree on. I may expect scripting tools and object property tools and a decent UI for text input and layout... to be part of the core meanwhile, (because I get that in the Adobe suite) someone else wants 3D stuff I like your "momentum" vision maybe today's Galaxy tools will be part of tomorrow's Rev IDE and then Galaxy will have new stars in it... etc. Galaxy is great I just need it to work. After all I do have it on my to do list to buy it! I'll take the Galaxy performance issues off this list and over to basecamp. Yes, I still have my log in. Best from Hawaii Sivakatirwami Jerry Daniels wrote: Swami, My only point is: when will what you say below NOT be the case? What if third party products always have stuff that Rev doesn't have? I think that WILL be the case. It's what makes a dynamic marketplace. Momentum. Supporting third party products creates a better Revolution. You think Marcus at Runtime Revolution, Ltd. doesn't want to beat the crap out of Galaxy's script editor? Sure he does. I want him to try. Creative tension can be very beneficial for evolution. WIthout the Pandavas and the Kuravas there would have been no Bhagavad Gita. It's amazing to hear all of you Mac guys spout a philosophy that is fully supported in Redmond, WA. Why don't we just get Microsoft to incorporate all the great features of Mac OS X? We shouldn't have to buy Mac OS! Let's just buy Vista. Yeah, that's the ticket. Mac OS--in terms of market share--IS a third party add-on!! Don't get me wrong...I do all my development on Mac and for the most part test on Windows. I love Mac OS X and my machine from Apple. But this "Revolution should be doing this, not third parties" circular logic leads nowhere. Runtime Revolution has its work cut out for it with getting a Rev engine with OOP. Third party product makers are doing their part to broaden the Revolution offering, bring alternatives and keep the momentum going. Unless, of course, you're fond of monopolies. Best, Jerry Daniels Tool makers for the 21st century http://www.daniels-mara.com On Sep 23, 2006, at 4:09 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: But my point (meant only for Kevin really, not for the list... sorry about that) was simple: some key functionality in Galaxy, (and several other third party plug ins,) really should be on board the product. It's one thing to pay big bucks for macho imposition software (I live in a print world) as an add on to your layout program, (we paid for Quite Imposing because InDesign just doesn't have those tools) but you really should not have to play for a plug in just to get a better view of your trapping values to make choke and spread changes on spot color overlays. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Om shanti (In Peace) Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: beepPitch
Luis wrote:
> Hiya,
>
> Ok, what I want to be able to do is control which speaker the sound is
> coming from and be able to change the frequency ('pitch') of the
> generated tone/note.
Well, that's tricky, as Rev doesn't currently support direct creation of
pitch variations. If you only need a few different pitches, then the
easiest thing is to pre-record them and use a player object to play them
back. You could control the playback via the QT external (which I wasn't
aware had panning control until we both read it here. That's cool.)
But if you need dynamic pitch variation created on the fly, then I guess
you were correct from the beginning and you should write MIDI files to
disk. You could use one of the MIDI generator stacks for guidance, and
study the scripts to see how it is done. Write your MIDI instructions to
a text file, immediately set a player's filename to the path to that
text file, and then use the QT external to control playback. It's a
hack, but if you can write the MIDI files it should work.
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Re: beepPitch
On Sep 23, 2006, at 3:20 PM, Luis wrote:
Ok, what I want to be able to do is control which speaker the sound
is coming from and be able to change the frequency ('pitch') of the
generated tone/note.
Ah, you guys are making me feel guilty. A tone was the example used
in my dll access library that I was working on and put aside as I
realized it was completely underwhelming the alpha test team.
Well, to answer your question. One way is to make an external.
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TemplateGroup Investigation
Does anyone out there actually use the templateGroup feature? After digging through Documentation as far back as 2.2. I then looked through the forums and individual sites I can't find any one that is using it. Perhaps you have used it and found it to be too difficult or time consuming? Any response? Cal ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: TemplateGroup Investigation
On 9/23/06 8:09 PM, "Cal Horner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone out there actually use the templateGroup feature? > > After digging through Documentation as far back as 2.2. > > I then looked through the forums and individual sites I can't find any one > that is using it. > > Perhaps you have used it and found it to be too difficult or time consuming? Actually I think it is because unlike other objects, that one can create with "create ", I would guess that people figured that you could only get the benefits of the templateGroup by using "create group" - which no one does (AFAIK), and I never do. However after testing, it turns out that the templateGroup properties apply to groups created by selecting existing objects and grouping them, so it has more usefulness than I originally expected. Perhaps that's the same reason everyone else has... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.7.4 Released
On Sep 23, 2006, at 5:16 PM, Luis wrote: It's like the printers you buy nowadays: They don't include the cable!!! When Stromberg-Carlson tried to get into the computer biz in the 50s, they so shorted customers that eventually many customers decided to just buy just the display or more often just the CRT tubes and build the computers themselves. I tried to look for info on SC and computers of the 50s online and found nothing. I found radios, CRT displays, phones, telco switches, film recorders, but not computers. It looks like nobody even admits to having ordered one. In this particular case, I agree with Dan. RunRev provides a good tool. Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
