rev~ file extension ?

[andreas]

Hello

in short: does someone know what the file extension  "rev~ "
means?

I have the strange feeling that this file crashes my application.

I have a setup with a main stack on several client computers and
a storage file for pupil results on a Windows 2003 server.

This client server solution works well in a Macintosh environment.
However, in above setup it crashes.
When I look into the server 2003 files, there are two files:
pupilresults.rev
and
pupilresults.rev~


I believe that Runrev catches the wrong file, because both
have the same filename - except the extension.

Any hints are greatly welcome!

Kind regards

Andreas Stämpfli

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Audio problem... loud static

[Mark Swindell]

I'm trying to import some short button sound files into Rev 2.6.1, OS  
X 10.4.  When the mp3 files import  into the stack it's nothing on  
playback but very loud static, low pitched, like the sample rate is  
messed up, but it isn't.  Playing the same files from disk through a  
rev player sounds fine.  ITunes, QTime, other audio app, same files,  
all fine.  But both 2.6.1 and 2.7 give nothing but static.  What  
would cause this?


Thanks,
Mark
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Re: Link text style -- bug or feature ?

[Jim Ault]

On 11/2/06 7:11 PM, "Timothy Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hello Jacque and Mark,
> 
> Thanks for your comments.
> 
> Okay, it's not a bug. One might have good reason to call it a source of
> confusion, though, at least for beginners, or possibly a "room for
> improvement" item.
> 
> I know now how to handle it as a mouseUp, if I want to do that, as Mark
> suggests. I had to figure that out by trial and error. The docs are too
> cryptic, sometimes, for me, when I'm learning to do something new.
>
> snip<
> 
> Now that I understand these issues, and figured out the difference
> between the linkClicked parameter and the mouseChunk function along the
> way, it doesn't seem hard. But I didn't enjoy figuring it out by trial
> and error, and I wish I had those hours back.
> 
Take heart.  From the beginning days of Hypercard and then other languages,
I spent many hours of lessons-learned-the-hard-way.  In those days, there
was no internet/email/google search, and very few good programming books.

..and now after 20 years I have reached the point of no more wasted
hours...HA!

Learning to harness UDP messaging this last summer was an ordeal since I
understood few concepts and realities, but my system is now working very
smoothly every day.

If you retire from programming now, you can avoid the inevitable wasted
hours.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: Link text style -- bug or feature ?

[Timothy Miller]

Hello Jacque and Mark,

Thanks for your comments.

Okay, it's not a bug. One might have good reason to call it a source of 
confusion, though, at least for beginners, or possibly a "room for 
improvement" item.


I know now how to handle it as a mouseUp, if I want to do that, as Mark 
suggests. I had to figure that out by trial and error. The docs are too 
cryptic, sometimes, for me, when I'm learning to do something new.


Mark asks why anybody would bother setting the text style of the field 
to "link". I might ask in return, if no one would ever bother, then why 
is that potentially confusing feature available at all?


In my case, here's why I "bothered to do it at all." Someone told me how 
to put a goRevURL handler in the stack script, using the parameter sent 
along with the linkClicked message. I pretty much did that by rote. It 
seemed like magic, because I didn't really understand the parameter, but 
it worked.


Then I decided I wanted to be able to  enter URLs in certain fields in 
that stack, using an "ask" dialog, with just a few lines of script, nice 
and simple. So I figured if I set the textstyle of the field containing 
the URLs, to "link" I'd be good to go.


What made me crazy was that, in some cases, at some point in the past, 
or perhaps by accident, I had selected text in some of these fields and 
set the textStyle to link. In other cases I hadn't. The textstyle of the 
field was also set to "link." These were background fields, so various 
fields on various cards worked (opened the browser and navigated to the 
URL), or didn't, (depending on whether I had manually selected the text, 
and set the style of the selected text to "link") even though the links 
all looked the same, and the text style appeared to be "link" in all cases.


Mark uses the analogy of setting textStyle to Bold, either at the level 
of text or field. It's not a good analogy. If I set the style of some 
text to bold, I don't expect it to *do* anything differently. It only 
*looks* different. It looks the same whether it's set to bold at the 
text level or the field level.


Setting the textStyle to link is rather a different matter, because the 
text behaves differently when clicked, and also depends on whether it's 
done at the field level, or at the text level.


Now that I understand these issues, and figured out the difference 
between the linkClicked parameter and the mouseChunk function along the 
way, it doesn't seem hard. But I didn't enjoy figuring it out by trial 
and error, and I wish I had those hours back.


Am I overlooking some non-cryptic version of the documentation that 
would have explained the foregoing to me, without having to start over 
in xtalk kindergarten?


Tim

J. Landman Gay wrote:

Timothy Miller wrote:
This arises from a question I asked on the forum, then solved on my 
own, by trial and error.


If I set the textstyle of a field to "link," by script or manually, 
text entered into that field looks like a link. It's blue and 
underlined. However, it doesn't act like a link. When clicked it 
sends a mouseUp, not a linkClicked. If I select the text,  the "text" 
menu has a checkmark by "Plain," not by "Link"


This is the difference between field-level settings and 
character-level settings. If you set the default style of a field, any 
text you put into that field will inherit the style. But the text 
itself doesn't have any style; the appearance of the text is just 
reflecting the style of its owner, the field.


Text in a styled field can also have its own style. Character-level 
styling overrides any field text styles.


If I select the text,  the "text" menu has a checkmark by "Plain," 

> not by "Link"

Because the text has no style of its own yet, it only has inherited 
style. If you select the field with the edit tool, rather than 
selecting the text inside the field with the browse tool, the 
inspector will show the default style setting of the field.


To make a link, Rev requires actual linked text at the character 
level. Since the text itself has no style in this case, and the field 
is locked, you are getting the normal mouseUp message instead of 
linkClicked.


To get a linkClicked message, assign the style to the text characters 
themselves. If you set the style of char 1 to -1 of the field to 
"link" you will get what you expect. (This is the same as dragging 
over the text and selecting the style from the menu.)





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Re: Getting data prepped for database entry.

[Jim Ault]

> You could use;
> 
> if item x of Mylist is not a number and item x of Mylist is not a date then
>   do the string bits...
> 
> 
> JC 

Check the archives to see recent posts on the use of 'is not a date'.  This
is not a reliable check, even though it sounds like it.

perhaps use a try structure to trap 
try
   convert theVar to dateItems
catch errorValue
   answer "something is not a date here.."&& errorValue
  --take appropriate action... add ' marks
end try

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 11/2/06 2:36 PM, "John Craig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> 
> 
> Dave Herndon wrote:
>>   This script pretty much gets the job done.  Stripps unwanted spaces before
>> and aft, changes mixed or small caps to ALL CAPS, and makes ready the data
>> for SQL data entry by wrapping the list items with 'singlequotes'
>>
>>   on mouseUp
>>   put field "data" into MyList
>>   repeat with x = 1 to the number of items of MyList
>>   put word 1 to -1 of item x of Mylist into item x of Mylist
>>   put "'" & item x of Mylist & "'" into item x of mylist
>>   end repeat
>>   put the toUpper of Mylist into MyList
>>   put Mylist into field "recip"
>>   end mouseUp
>>   the script changes
>>   davo, davo , davo Herndon , davo,davo,davo , davo , davo,
>>TO
>>   'DAVO','DAVO','DAVO HERNDON','DAVO','DAVO','DAVO','DAVO','DAVO',
>>
>>   Now if I can just check to see if the item is a number or a date and not do
>> the single quote operation on those items I will be set.  As a work around I
>> have beem carefull to leave those items as the last items in the list and do
>> a partial operation, say there are 6 items in the list to be added to a
>> database record and the last two items are dates.
>>
>>   as in varchar1,varchar2,varchar3,varchar4,date1,date2
>>
>>   repeat with x = 1 to 4
>>   put "'" & item x of Mylist & "'" into item x of mylist
>>   end repeat
>>   returns 'varchar1','varchar2','varchar3','varchar4',date1,date2
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Re: Stripping blank spaces before and after a word

[Jim Ault]

> from before and after the contents
was the original request.  Unfortunately your script would delete all
spaces, not just line ending and beginning, phrase ending and beginning, and
those between quotes, such as " 60W light bulb"

That's why using "word 1 to -1 of containerText" does the job, or

word 1 to -1 of line x of field description.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 11/2/06 1:10 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A simple script to accomplish the removal of blank spaces (in field
> "datafield") is as follows:
> 
> repeat with x = 1 to the number of chars in field "datafield"
>  if char x of field "datafield" is " " then delete char x of field
> "datafield"
>end repeat
> 
> Steve Goldberg
> 
> In a message dated 11/2/06 1:02:47 PM,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> 
>> Does anyone have a handy little script that could be put in a
 repeat loop to evaluate either the contents of several fields, or a
 comma delimitered list of variables, and strip any blank spaces
 that may or may not exist from before and after the contents. To
 ready the data for insertion into a database.  I am having an issue
 with data being entered with spaces before of after the words,  and
 then not showing up in a data query because of that.
    I usualy insert the datra from several fields into a list such as
    var1,var2,var3, etc before entering it into a database.


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Re: Link text style -- bug or feature ?

[J. Landman Gay]

Timothy Miller wrote:
This arises from a question I asked on the forum, then solved on my own, 
by trial and error.


If I set the textstyle of a field to "link," by script or manually, text 
entered into that field looks like a link. It's blue and underlined. 
However, it doesn't act like a link. When clicked it sends a mouseUp, 
not a linkClicked. If I select the text,  the "text" menu has a 
checkmark by "Plain," not by "Link"


This is the difference between field-level settings and character-level 
settings. If you set the default style of a field, any text you put into 
that field will inherit the style. But the text itself doesn't have any 
style; the appearance of the text is just reflecting the style of its 
owner, the field.


Text in a styled field can also have its own style. Character-level 
styling overrides any field text styles.


If I select the text,  the "text" menu has a checkmark by "Plain," 

> not by "Link"

Because the text has no style of its own yet, it only has inherited 
style. If you select the field with the edit tool, rather than selecting 
the text inside the field with the browse tool, the inspector will show 
the default style setting of the field.


To make a link, Rev requires actual linked text at the character level. 
Since the text itself has no style in this case, and the field is 
locked, you are getting the normal mouseUp message instead of linkClicked.


To get a linkClicked message, assign the style to the text characters 
themselves. If you set the style of char 1 to -1 of the field to "link" 
you will get what you expect. (This is the same as dragging over the 
text and selecting the style from the menu.)



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Re: Having problems with numberformat....

[Dar Scott]

On Nov 2, 2006, at 4:17 PM, David Bovill wrote:


Does 'put it into msg' work?



No - same. But I need the 12 digit value passed to AppleScript -  
the message

box was just an example. So it looks like I can do this with "& empty"
tagged on just before I need the result. Thanks for the help.


OK.  Put that into bugzilla when you get a chance and are comfortable  
with that.


Curious.  What version and what OS?  (should you have time...I can  
get it from the bug report.)


When you create the text for the 'do' you will be using '&', so you  
should not need to do that.  But since your stuff is acting weird,  
I'm not sure.


Dar

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Re: Link text style -- bug or feature ?

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi,

First of all, I wonder why one would set the textStyle of an entire  
field to link? I would handle the mouseUp message instead. This may  
be my own personal view, but it is easier because you can modify a  
smaller amount of properties to make it work, it also gives you more  
freedom to alter something afterwards.


The docs say about linkClicked: "Sent when the user clicks grouped  
text." If you set the style of a field to "bold" and enter text, the  
text looks bold, but it isn't. If you request for its style by  
entering "put the textStyle of char 1 of fld 1" in the message box,  
you should get an empty value returned.


When you click on a text, Revolution doesn't check the textStyle of  
the field but the textStyle of the text. Since the textStyle is  
empty, the linkClicked message is not sent.


I understand that everybody who doesn't agree will say it is far- 
fetched, but I think this is a valid explantion and thus I doubt this  
is a bug. Then again, I probably wouldn't mind if this behaviour were  
changed, because I won't set the textStyle of a field to link anyway.


Best regards,

Mark

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 ---Original Message---  From: Timothy Miller Date:  
11/02/06 21:42:05 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Link text  
style -- bug or feature ?  This arises from a question I asked on  
the forum, then solved on my own, by trial and error.  If I set  
the textstyle of a field to "link," by script or manually, text  
entered into that field looks like a link. It's blue and  
underlined. However, it doesn't act like a link. When clicked it  
sends a mouseUp, not a linkClicked. If I select the text, the  
"text" menu has a checkmark by "Plain," not by "Link"  Maybe it's  
a bug.  If not, I don't understand the point of being able to set  
the textstyle of a field to "link" and make the text look  
misleadingly like a link, if it's not a link.  The field inspector  
is ambiguous in this regard. The button that sets the style to  
"link" is marked with a "G" presumably for group. The tool tip  
says "Link text" That's ambiguous, too. Does it mean "set the  
style of text in this field to 'link'"? or does it mean "Link the  
text in this field"?  Maybe linking in this way affects the  
mousechunk function, and is intended for use with a mouseUp, not  
with a linkClicked. I haven't investigated that possibility yet.   
The user dictionary doesn't really settle the matter either. As  
things stand, it seems that "link" is a textStyle in one context  
-- if you select text and set the style of the text to link, but  
not in another -- if you set the textstyle of the field to "link"   
I alread BZ'd this. I probably should'a asked here first.   
Comments welcome.  Tim

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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

[Matt]

There is a program that i stumbled upon a while ago called mcripper (it was
made in metacard) and what you do is give it a stack and it generates xml
code that represents the stack.  You can also give it the generated xml code
and it will give you a stack. I tested it and the only problem that I found
is when you have a stack saved with colorized script it got the html code
that went with the colors. I believe that it could be fixed by puting the
script into the htmltext of a field and then putting the text of the field
into the script of the object but I have not tried it.

I hope that was of a little help.

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Re: Having problems with numberformat....

[David Bovill]

On 02/11/06, Dar Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Does 'put it into msg' work?



No - same. But I need the 12 digit value passed to AppleScript - the message
box was just an example. So it looks like I can do this with "& empty"
tagged on just before I need the result. Thanks for the help.
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Re: Having problems with numberformat....

[Dar Scott]

On Nov 2, 2006, at 3:17 PM, David Bovill wrote:


   put it & empty



I think this is a bug - no?


Yes.

But this might be understandable.

It looks as though 'put it' will not (always) apply numberFormat and  
'it & empty' will.  (BTW, the latter is a common way to force  
numberFormat in computation, so you are on the right track.)


It looks as though 'put x' is compiled somewhat like an ordinary  
command and the number is passed as a parameter without number  
formatting as would be the case with most commands.  The message box  
is partially implemented in scripts.  I'm afraid I don't know how  
what gets compiled gets translated to some field in a stack.


Does 'put it into msg' work?

Dar



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RE: formatting data

[Robert Mann]

Just was wondering it there a way to this with the layer or number on the
size & position tab in the property inspector?

 put empty
  put 15 into maxxr
  put 2 into maxxc
  repeat with cc = 1 to maxxc
repeat with rr = 1 to maxxr
  if there is a fld ("fcd"&rr&"qty") then
put fld ("fcd"&rr&"qty") into item 1 of line rr of combinedValues
put cc && rr & cr after msg
  else
put "  " into item 1 of line r of combinedValues  -- tried this
thinking it would put a space in if no number
  end if
  if there is a fld ("fcd"&rr) then
put fld ("fcd"&rr) into item 2 of line rr of combinedValues
put cc && rr & cr after msg

  end if
end repeat
  end repeat

  filter combinedValues without empty
  replace "," with "  " in combinedValues
  put combinedValues after msg
  put combinedValues into fld combinedOutput



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Re: Change Blend Level from Script

[Dar Scott]

On Nov 2, 2006, at 3:31 PM, Trevor Hopkins wrote:

Has anyone had success manipulating the blend level of an image  
from a script? I haven't been able to figure out how to do this.


  set the blendLevel of image "Portal" to 50

I keep setting the property 'blend' which compiles and runs just  
fine, but, of course, nothing happens.


Dar
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Re: Link text style -- bug or feature ?

[Timothy Miller]

Right. A field won't send a mouseUp unless it's locked. I don't think it 
will send a linkClicked, either. The field was locked in all cases. That 
wasn't the issue.


Cheers,

Tim


Viktoras Didziulis wrote:

As far as I remember links will work only when field they are in is locked.
 
Viktoras
 
---Original Message--- 
 
From: Timothy Miller 
Date: 11/02/06 21:42:05 
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: Link text style -- bug or feature ? 
 
This arises from a question I asked on the forum, then solved on my own, 
by trial and error. 
 
If I set the textstyle of a field to "link," by script or manually, text 
entered into that field looks like a link. It's blue and underlined. 
However, it doesn't act like a link. When clicked it sends a mouseUp, 
not a linkClicked. If I select the text, the "text" menu has a 
checkmark by "Plain," not by "Link" 
 
Maybe it's a bug. 
 
If not, I don't understand the point of being able to set the textstyle 
of a field to "link" and make the text look misleadingly like a link, if 
it's not a link. 
 
The field inspector is ambiguous in this regard. The button that sets 
the style to "link" is marked with a "G" presumably for group. The tool 
tip says "Link text" That's ambiguous, too. Does it mean "set the style 
of text in this field to 'link'"? or does it mean "Link the text in this 
field"? 
 
Maybe linking in this way affects the mousechunk function, and is 
intended for use with a mouseUp, not with a linkClicked. I haven't 
investigated that possibility yet. 
 
The user dictionary doesn't really settle the matter either. As things 
stand, it seems that "link" is a textStyle in one context -- if you 
select text and set the style of the text to link, but not in another -- 
if you set the textstyle of the field to "link" 
 
I alread BZ'd this. I probably should'a asked here first. 
 
Comments welcome. 
 
Tim 
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Change Blend Level from Script

[Trevor Hopkins]

Has anyone had success manipulating the blend level of an image from a 
script? I haven't been able to figure out how to do this.


Cheers,

Trevor Hopkins
Exeter, UK

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Re: Having problems with numberformat....

[David Bovill]

Hi Dar!

On 01/11/06, Dar Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



By the way, the numberFormat setting is not needed for a level of
arithmetic accuracy.  The result of arithmetic is always about 15
digits.  The numberFormat comes into play the first time the result
of arithmetic is used as text.



OK

The result of arithmetic will also pass as parameters just fine

(though converted to text with numberFormat coming into play when
passed using send).



Great

Literals do not need the zeros out to 12 places.


So numberFormat is not used until the final result is put into the
message box.  This should generate the same result:

on mouseDoubleUp
   put 0.006911491563 into projectedWidth
   get -1 * projectedWidth
   set the numberformat to "#."
   put it
end mouseDoubleUp



This is not working. Not in a fresh button in a new stack and AFAIK nothing
to do with any libraries (I am using OSX 10.4.8 and Rev 2.7.4). In
otherwords the output of this script is:

 -0.006911

and not:

 -0.006911491563

I can get around it by adding and empty space as in the following script:

on mouseUp
   put 0.006911491563 into projectedWidth
   get -1 * projectedWidth
   set the numberformat to "#."
   put it & empty
end mouseUp

which outputs:

   -0.006911491563

In previous versions ading zero to the number had the effect of forcing the
number to be formatted. Now as you state this only happens when treating the
number as a string - ie putting it into a field or doing a string
maniplulation. As I am sending it to another application using AppleScript -
I got caught. I think this is a bug - no?
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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

[Viktoras Didziulis]

Well, when I stumbled upon it I had exactly the same feeling. Still feel it
and still wonder why ?.. 
 
Viktoras 
 
---Original Message--- 
 
From: John Craig 
Date: 11/02/06 23:41:08 
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin 
 
Just a side comment - I had never heard of Rev and was pleasantly 
surprised when I accidentally stumbled upon it. It's the industry's 
best kept sectret - ssshh! 
 
Viktoras Didziulis wrote: 
> let's hope somebody will do this within the next 5 years ;-). I wonder why

> Rev attracted so few Open Source developers and people willing to share 
> their code 
 
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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

[John Craig]

Just a side comment - I had never heard of Rev and was pleasantly 
surprised when I accidentally stumbled upon it.  It's the industry's 
best kept sectret - ssshh!


Viktoras Didziulis wrote:

let's hope somebody will do this within the next 5 years ;-). I wonder why
Rev attracted so few Open Source developers and people willing to share
their code


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RE: formatting data

[Robert Mann]

Thanks Jim this is great, I modified to this and I get the output that I
want

  put empty
  put 15 into maxxr
  put 2 into maxxc
  repeat with cc = 1 to maxxc
repeat with rr = 1 to maxxr
  if there is a fld ("fcd"&rr&"qty") then
put fld ("fcd"&rr&"qty") into item 1 of line rr of combinedValues
put cc && rr & cr after msg
  else
put "  " into item 1 of line r of combinedValues  -- tried this
thinking it would put a space in if no number
  end if
  if there is a fld ("fcd"&rr) then
put fld ("fcd"&rr) into item 2 of line rr of combinedValues
put cc && rr & cr after msg

  end if
end repeat
  end repeat

  filter combinedValues without empty
  replace "," with "  " in combinedValues
  put combinedValues after msg
  put combinedValues into fld combinedOutput

16  30.1
  29.1
  28.1
  27.1
  26.1
  25.1
  24.1
  23.1
  22.1
  21.1
  20.1
  19.1
  18.1
  30.5
  16.2

is there a way to get the 29.1 to line up under the 30.1 if there is no data
in first field?


Robert Mann
President
GP Racing LLC

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Ault
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:19 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: formatting data


I get it, you have designed a table with a field as each cell.

Part of the catch to this is that you have to rely on the naming scheme of
the cells (fields) to get the data.  the following will construct all the
possible names of the cell-fields and load the values into the proper place
in the output, then remove the empty lines.

I am leaving the commas in so you can view the empty cells, if any.

on testt
   put empty
  put the number of fields into maxx
  repeat with cc = 1 to maxx
repeat with rr = 1 to maxx
  if there is a fld ("c"&cc&"r"&rr) then
put fld ("c"&cc&"r"&rr) into item cc of line rr of combinedValues
put cc && rr & cr after msg
  end if
end repeat
  end repeat

  filter combinedValues without empty
  put combinedValues after msg

  --replace comma with space in combinedValues
  --put combinedValues into fld combinedOutput

end testt

Modify this to suit your needs.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 11/1/06 5:40 PM, "Robert Mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jim
> what I have is a to columns of fields with many rows
> fld c1r1 would have 6 in it
> fld c2r1 would have 25 in it
> fld c1r2 and c2r2 would have nothing in them
> fld c1r3 and c2r3 would have nothing in them
> fld c1r4 would have 4 in it
> fld c2r4 would have 26 in it
> fld c1r5 would have 3 in it
> fld c2r5 would have 22 in it
> so if you were looking at the fields you would see
> 6  25
> empty flds
> empty flds
> 4  26
> 3  22
>
> what I would like to be able to do is put the data into a new fld
> reformatted like this without the empty flds
> 6  25
> 4  26
> 3  22
>


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Re: Getting data prepped for database entry.

[John Craig]

You could use;

if item x of Mylist is not a number and item x of Mylist is not a date then
 do the string bits...


JC


Dave Herndon wrote:
  This script pretty much gets the job done.  Stripps unwanted spaces before and aft, changes mixed or small caps to ALL CAPS, and makes ready the data for SQL data entry by wrapping the list items with 'singlequotes'  
   
  on mouseUp

  put field "data" into MyList
  repeat with x = 1 to the number of items of MyList
  put word 1 to -1 of item x of Mylist into item x of Mylist
  put "'" & item x of Mylist & "'" into item x of mylist
  end repeat
  put the toUpper of Mylist into MyList
  put Mylist into field "recip"
  end mouseUp
  the script changes 
  davo, davo , davo Herndon , davo,davo,davo , davo , davo, 
   TO

  'DAVO','DAVO','DAVO HERNDON','DAVO','DAVO','DAVO','DAVO','DAVO',
   
  Now if I can just check to see if the item is a number or a date and not do the single quote operation on those items I will be set.  As a work around I  have beem carefull to leave those items as the last items in the list and do a partial operation, say there are 6 items in the list to be added to a database record and the last two items are dates. 
   
  as in varchar1,varchar2,varchar3,varchar4,date1,date2
   
  repeat with x = 1 to 4

  put "'" & item x of Mylist & "'" into item x of mylist
  end repeat
  returns 'varchar1','varchar2','varchar3','varchar4',date1,date2
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Re: Linux standalone

[John Craig]

I've been told that it's next in line, Kevin - fingers crossed :-)

Kevin Brooks wrote:

I am running Rev Studio 2.7.4 and notice that in the standalone applications
settings, I don't have the option of producing a Linux app.  The message at
the top of the preferences pane reads,
"Build for Linux & Unix will be available in 2.7.x"  I would think that
would be now, huh?

So either my version of RR thinks its actually an older version or something
else is wrong.  Any ideas?

-Kevin

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Re: Linux standalone

[Viktoras Didziulis]

Kevin, contact the support. You'l get a link to download 2.6.1. They helped
me this way after I purchased 2.7. So far 2.6.1 is the best version
available, in some regards ;-) 
 
Viktoras 
 
---Original Message--- 
 
From: Kevin Brooks 
Date: 11/02/06 22:36:08 
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com 
Subject: Linux standalone 
 
I am running Rev Studio 2.7.4 and notice that in the standalone applications

settings, I don't have the option of producing a Linux app. The message at 
the top of the preferences pane reads, 
"Build for Linux & Unix will be available in 2.7.x" I would think that 
would be now, huh? 
 
So either my version of RR thinks its actually an older version or something

else is wrong. Any ideas? 
 
-Kevin 
 
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Re: Link text style -- bug or feature ?

[Viktoras Didziulis]

As far as I remember links will work only when field they are in is locked.
 
Viktoras
 
---Original Message--- 
 
From: Timothy Miller 
Date: 11/02/06 21:42:05 
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: Link text style -- bug or feature ? 
 
This arises from a question I asked on the forum, then solved on my own, 
by trial and error. 
 
If I set the textstyle of a field to "link," by script or manually, text 
entered into that field looks like a link. It's blue and underlined. 
However, it doesn't act like a link. When clicked it sends a mouseUp, 
not a linkClicked. If I select the text, the "text" menu has a 
checkmark by "Plain," not by "Link" 
 
Maybe it's a bug. 
 
If not, I don't understand the point of being able to set the textstyle 
of a field to "link" and make the text look misleadingly like a link, if 
it's not a link. 
 
The field inspector is ambiguous in this regard. The button that sets 
the style to "link" is marked with a "G" presumably for group. The tool 
tip says "Link text" That's ambiguous, too. Does it mean "set the style 
of text in this field to 'link'"? or does it mean "Link the text in this 
field"? 
 
Maybe linking in this way affects the mousechunk function, and is 
intended for use with a mouseUp, not with a linkClicked. I haven't 
investigated that possibility yet. 
 
The user dictionary doesn't really settle the matter either. As things 
stand, it seems that "link" is a textStyle in one context -- if you 
select text and set the style of the text to link, but not in another -- 
if you set the textstyle of the field to "link" 
 
I alread BZ'd this. I probably should'a asked here first. 
 
Comments welcome. 
 
Tim 
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RE: Linux standalone

[jhonken]

Kevin,
  The linux standalone is non existent so far in any version of 2.7.x.
I've been emailing Runrev on a regular basis asking for it before I
upgraded from my 2.6.1.  They won't give me a time frame but keep
telling me it'll be ready soon.  If you're wanting linux stick with
2.6.1.  It works ok.



-Original Message-
From: Kevin Brooks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:36 PM
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Subject: Linux standalone



I am running Rev Studio 2.7.4 and notice that in the standalone
applications settings, I don't have the option of producing a Linux app.
The message at the top of the preferences pane reads, "Build for Linux &
Unix will be available in 2.7.x"  I would think that would be now, huh?

So either my version of RR thinks its actually an older version or
something else is wrong.  Any ideas?

-Kevin

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Re: Subject: Re: Stripping blank spaces before and after a word. Help

[Ken Ray]

On 11/2/06 11:04 AM, "Dave Herndon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks Mark,
>   I settled on this and it works SWT !  Thanks For your help.  Now to
> finish it up.  Anybody have a good way to convert all text in a list to ALL
> CAPS?  It would be nice to get a consistent look in the database.  Here is the
> script I settled on.
>
>   repeat with x = 1 to the number of items of MyList
>   put word 1 to -1 of item x of Mylist into item x of Mylist
>   end repeat

Try this:

   repeat with x = 1 to the number of items of MyList
  put toUpper(word 1 to -1 of item x of Mylist) into item x of Mylist
   end repeat



Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Linux standalone

[Kevin Brooks]

I am running Rev Studio 2.7.4 and notice that in the standalone applications
settings, I don't have the option of producing a Linux app.  The message at
the top of the preferences pane reads,
"Build for Linux & Unix will be available in 2.7.x"  I would think that
would be now, huh?

So either my version of RR thinks its actually an older version or something
else is wrong.  Any ideas?

-Kevin

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Getting data prepped for database entry.

[Dave Herndon]

  This script pretty much gets the job done.  Stripps unwanted spaces before 
and aft, changes mixed or small caps to ALL CAPS, and makes ready the data for 
SQL data entry by wrapping the list items with 'singlequotes'  
   
  on mouseUp
  put field "data" into MyList
  repeat with x = 1 to the number of items of MyList
  put word 1 to -1 of item x of Mylist into item x of Mylist
  put "'" & item x of Mylist & "'" into item x of mylist
  end repeat
  put the toUpper of Mylist into MyList
  put Mylist into field "recip"
  end mouseUp
  the script changes 
  davo, davo , davo Herndon , davo,davo,davo , davo , davo, 
   TO
  'DAVO','DAVO','DAVO HERNDON','DAVO','DAVO','DAVO','DAVO','DAVO',
   
  Now if I can just check to see if the item is a number or a date and not do 
the single quote operation on those items I will be set.  As a work around I  
have beem carefull to leave those items as the last items in the list and do a 
partial operation, say there are 6 items in the list to be added to a database 
record and the last two items are dates. 
   
  as in varchar1,varchar2,varchar3,varchar4,date1,date2
   
  repeat with x = 1 to 4
  put "'" & item x of Mylist & "'" into item x of mylist
  end repeat
  returns 'varchar1','varchar2','varchar3','varchar4',date1,date2
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Stripping blank spaces before and after a word

[Stgoldberg]

A simple script to accomplish the removal of blank spaces (in field 
"datafield") is as follows:

repeat with x = 1 to the number of chars in field "datafield"
 if char x of field "datafield" is " " then delete char x of field 
"datafield"
   end repeat

Steve Goldberg

In a message dated 11/2/06 1:02:47 PM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Does anyone have a handy little script that could be put in a
> >> repeat loop to evaluate either the contents of several fields, or a
> >> comma delimitered list of variables, and strip any blank spaces
> >> that may or may not exist from before and after the contents. To
> >> ready the data for insertion into a database.  I am having an issue
> >> with data being entered with spaces before of after the words,  and
> >> then not showing up in a data query because of that.
> >>   I usualy insert the datra from several fields into a list such as
> >>   var1,var2,var3, etc before entering it into a database.
> 

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Link text style -- bug or feature ?

[Timothy Miller]

This arises from a question I asked on the forum, then solved on my own, 
by trial and error.


If I set the textstyle of a field to "link," by script or manually, text 
entered into that field looks like a link. It's blue and underlined. 
However, it doesn't act like a link. When clicked it sends a mouseUp, 
not a linkClicked. If I select the text,  the "text" menu has a 
checkmark by "Plain," not by "Link"


Maybe it's a bug.

If not, I don't understand the point of being able to set the textstyle 
of a field to "link" and make the text look misleadingly like a link, if 
it's not a link.


The field inspector is ambiguous in this regard. The button that sets 
the style to "link" is marked with a "G" presumably for group. The tool 
tip says "Link text" That's ambiguous, too. Does it mean "set the style 
of text in this field to 'link'"? or does it mean "Link the text in this 
field"?


Maybe linking in this way affects the mousechunk function, and is 
intended for use with a mouseUp, not with a linkClicked. I haven't 
investigated that possibility yet.


The user dictionary doesn't really settle the matter either. As things 
stand, it seems that "link" is a textStyle in one context -- if you 
select text and set the style of the text to link, but not in another -- 
if you set the textstyle of the field to "link"


I alread BZ'd this. I probably should'a asked here first.

Comments welcome.

Tim
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Re: capitalize

[Dar Scott]

On Nov 2, 2006, at 7:13 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


for those of us who stray into the Cyrillic alphabet
and other non-Roman writing systems . . .

The RR documentation points out that toLower and
toUpper only function with the first 128 ASCII codes.

Which is a shame.

Which means that RR is not entirely Unicode compliant.


The use of Unicode is obviously the way to go in handling fully  
flexible and globalized text.


I expect that, as features improve, Revolution will grow in that  
direction.


I don't see a general toUpper or toLower as a high priority in that  
growth.  This is because one can write (and folks have written, I  
think) language specific functions as they need.  This is also  
because in the general case, the concept gets hazy.  Many languages  
don't have the concept of upper and lower.  Some have different upper  
case letters depending on the context.  I expect 3rd party libraries  
might fit the bill.  Even so I would not be surprised if eventually  
these functions are improved.  Even when Revolution becomes fully  
Unicode in some sense, folks might rely on Unicode db functions  
instead of toUpper and toLower, anyway.


However, currently only (about) two 8-bit character sets are used as  
the primary character sets in Revolution.  There is some room for  
improvement here, but that improvement might best come when a Unicode  
based Revolution comes.


I know RunRev is working hard on improvements and global text is on  
the list.  Revolution has a few features related to Unicode that help  
in the mean time.  Revolution is not "Unicode compliant" and I don't  
think there have been such claims.


So, the nature of these functions is consistent with the history and  
growth-point of Revolution.  Lack of universal language  
capitalization is not a shortcoming of Revolution, but is an op for  
RunRev or 3rd parties.


As for Cyrillic used for Russian, most of the Unicode alphabet  
character code points (but not all) are sequential, which might be  
useful in writing a converter.


Dar

PS I hope to get my Unicode 5 book in the mail any day now (for  
casual reading) and might change my mind on things based on that.

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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

[Viktoras Didziulis]

let's hope somebody will do this within the next 5 years ;-). I wonder why
Rev attracted so few Open Source developers and people willing to share
their code. Collection of freely available and reusable Rev libraries
comparing with repositories of languages like Perl, Python or even
Javascript seems just a little bit above then the ground-zero. It is strange
 having in mind the fact that most of the code for Perl, Python and a large
portion of xhtml/javascript and the likes is written in text-only IDE's... 
 
But if we'd focus on this fact, maybe possibility to write code in a notepad
(well, crimson editor and the likes ;-) ) is an advantage... Simply because
you can write it anywhere... Currently scripting in Rev from scratch is not
quite possible or is at least not documented/advertised well enough. May
this distract some OS coders who feel quite comfortable hand-coding their
logic.
 
Besides, keeping in mind current organization of stacks, fields, buttons,
other objects and scripts, Revolution is just a small step away from having
its own document object model. If one could describe programs in
xml/transcript like xhtml/javascript, then this "warm and well familiar"
development model would attract lots of [web] developers, because experience
would be "similar to something I already know". Potentially this could make
Revolution an alternative for web browsers, or even an industry-standard to
deliver web enabled applications, who knows... Three alternative ways of
coding: 1) WSIWYG - e.g. using Revolution IDE, 2) hand coding in Revscript
and 3) describing software in rxml/revscript/css would attract developers
with very diverse coding preferences. The 3-rd option would expose
Revolution to currently exploding realm of user interface markup languages
and thin-client application delivery tools like mozillas XUL, XAML, MXML,
UIML, I3ML, LZX, WasabiXML, GTK+, ONE for MS .NET, Microsoft HTA/HTC apps,
and others.
 
Initially this could seem in conflict with Runtimes' marketing strategy,
because availability of free text-based coding choices would allow thousands
of coders do their jobs without buying Revolution IDE. Still if one would
think again, once people start hand-coding and experience at least a subset
of capabilities of Rev engine, they would rush for Revolution IDE for
exactly the same reason why web developers do buy proprietary WYSIWYG html
builders and tools. 
 
Just my 1 cent 
Viktoras 
 
---Original Message--- 
 
From: Luis 
Date: 11/02/06 18:59:44 
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin 
 
 
Richard Gaskin wrote: 
 
 
 
> 
> My personal fave, not yet built but could be at any time: 
>  
> 
 
Mmmm, chocolate... 
 
Getting OS developers to 'help' would be cool, but imagine if RunRev did 
this, what a selling point! (Ok, another one...). 
 
Cheers, 
 
Luis. 
 
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Re: Open Letter to Rev: Quality Is Job #1

[Hershel Fisch]

On 10/21/06 5:18 AM, "Heather Nagey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear List members,
Nice.
> 
> First, an apology from me: I just don't have time to read this list
> like I used to. I miss you all and the great conversations here, but
> I have to focus first on direct customer support and other
> activities. I'm still list mom, but I have delegated a certain amount
> to others.
> 
> Ok, so. Bill. Please, please please, write to support.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Believe it or not, we WANT to hear from you. If you, or anyone else,
> is unhappy with a new Rev release, any new Rev release, and most
> particularly if it is CRASHING on you, WE NEED TO KNOW. If you
> haven't got time or don't know how to use bugzilla, at least send a
> heads up to support. We'll follow it up as best we can, we'll try and
> help you pin down why it is crashing, and if necessary we'll make
> that bugzilla report ourselves. Yes, it has to arrive in bugzilla
> somehow, eventually, or the dev team may miss it. We love people who
> use it themselves - that url again
> 
> http://support.runrev.com/bugzilla
> 
> but we do understand that some people don't have time or don't know
> how to use it. We still need to hear about your problems. Its nice to
> get email saying how wonderful Rev is (and we do get that too!) but
> what we need is the problems, because if we don't know, WE CAN'T FIX
> THEM. Yes, sometimes some members of the team read this list, but its
> not a substitute for a bugzilla report. We can't afford to let the
> dev team spend their precious time on reading lists and trying to
> collate maybe bug reports and sift them out from code errors by the
> user.
> 
> I don't know how many of you here also get the newsletter... another
> url coming up...
> 
> http://www.runrev.com/newsletter
> 
> but if you do read that, you'll know that in addition to our inhouse
> testing, the wonderful improve list and bugzilla, we are adding
> conference focus groups to our beta testing. We realise that actually
> seeing you guys using the program is incredibly valuable. If I can
> persuade any more of you to join us in Malta (Bill??) I'd be thrilled
> and so would the team. We need you! Rev needs you! Please come, there
> is still time!
> 
> http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/october/issue11/newsletter5.php
> 
> If anyone else here is interested in joining a new intensive beta
> test program, please email me, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], and we'll see
> what can be set up in terms of remote testing as well as hands on
> focus group testing.
> 
> We care. We do fix things we can reproduce. We keep on keeping on
> because you are all great, because Rev is great, and because Rev +
> Users = Great New Software. We aren't perfect, and neither is Rev,
> and everyone on this list is human ... sometimes we rub each other
> the wrong way, but we're all here to move forward. Lets do that!
> 
> warm regards to all
> 
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Re: Making an Image

[Dar Scott]

On Nov 1, 2006, at 10:46 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


 put image 2 into image 1

This feels more xtalk-y to me.


You are right.  Well, we already know I'm not a real card head.  I do  
have an excuse in that I was right in the middle of a script that set  
several properties for images and there I used text because of the  
columns.  A more general property name could have been 'value'.  What  
ever the name, I wish I could assign it to one virtual property of  
each of my custom controls.


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Re: Open Letter to Rev: Quality Is Job #1

[Hershel Fisch]

> 
> When I bought Rev, what, a month or so ago, I had a problem. Sure, I
> was getting to grips with it, but I couldn't understand why it was
> behaving that way. As my first port of call, as a new user, I emailed
> Rev support: What I got back was a possible indicator as to the
> cause, but was recommended that I address the use-list to solve the
> problem. I did not feel that was appropriate. You wouldn't expect
> grandma to say 'Go ask a stranger' when you ask her what to do about
> the nappy rash. I expected a more positive response and it did not
> feel like it.
> 
And when I bought my copy in the beginning and paid for support and didn't
any answers only after resending my questions several times and waiting a
week or two and a few times didn't receive any respond at all I don't that¹s
any better.

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Re: Subject: Re: Stripping blank spaces before and after a word. Help

[Jim Ault]

> convert all text in a list to ALL CAPS
 look up "upper" in the docs.

> then wrap the data in 'single quotes' for SQL data entry
numerous posts on this topic recently.
Do a search for "SQL" in the Rev archives to find several ways of doing SQL
formatting (merge, concatenation, function calls, replace) then choose your
own flavor.
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On 11/2/06 10:04 AM, "Dave Herndon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks Mark,
>   I settled on this and it works SWT !  Thanks For your help.  Now to
> finish it up.  Anybody have a good way to convert all text in a list to ALL
> CAPS?  It would be nice to get a consistent look in the database.  Here is the
> script I settled on.
>
>   repeat with x = 1 to the number of items of MyList
>   put word 1 to -1 of item x of Mylist into item x of Mylist
>   end repeat
>
>   Then I run another script to turn MyList containing mydata1,mydata2,mydata3,
> into 'mydata1','mydata2','mydata3' for entry int the databse.  Perhaps I can
> do it all in the same repeat loop.  Get rid of the spaces, change the text to
> all caps and then wrap the data in 'single quotes' for SQL data entry if the
> data is not a number or a date.  Anybody wanna throw down on this one?
>
>
>   Mark Wrote Dave,
> I think you are looking for something like this
> 
> repeat for each item myVar in "var1,var2,var2"
>do "put word 1 to -1 of" && myVar && "into" && myVar
> end repeat
> 
> or
> 
> repeat for each line myLine in fld 1
>put (word 1 to -1 of myLine) & cr after myList
> end repeat
> put word 1 to -1 of myList into fld 1
> 
> Best,
> 
> Mark
> 
>> Does anyone have a handy little script that could be put in a
>> repeat loop to evaluate either the contents of several fields, or a
>> comma delimitered list of variables, and strip any blank spaces
>> that may or may not exist from before and after the contents. To
>> ready the data for insertion into a database.  I am having an issue
>> with data being entered with spaces before of after the words,  and
>> then not showing up in a data query because of that.
>>   I usualy insert the datra from several fields into a list such as
>>   var1,var2,var3, etc before entering it into a database.
>>   Thanks
>>   Dave
> 
> 
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Re: The fileName: When using it in scripts, how to avoid modifiying it for each user ?

[Jim Ault]

Glad it worked out for you.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 11/2/06 4:13 AM, "André.Bisseret" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> Thanks to your advices, my app is working nicely now (at least on
> this point :-))
> Changes in "userName" and location of the app'file on his/her disk
> are taken into account automatically when setting the fileName(s) by
> script.
> 
> I thank you very much
> 
> Best regards from Grenoble
> André


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Subject: Re: Stripping blank spaces before and after a word. Help

[Dave Herndon]

Thanks Mark,
  I settled on this and it works SWT !  Thanks For your help.  Now to 
finish it up.  Anybody have a good way to convert all text in a list to ALL 
CAPS?  It would be nice to get a consistent look in the database.  Here is the 
script I settled on.
   
  repeat with x = 1 to the number of items of MyList
  put word 1 to -1 of item x of Mylist into item x of Mylist
  end repeat
   
  Then I run another script to turn MyList containing mydata1,mydata2,mydata3, 
into 'mydata1','mydata2','mydata3' for entry int the databse.  Perhaps I can do 
it all in the same repeat loop.  Get rid of the spaces, change the text to all 
caps and then wrap the data in 'single quotes' for SQL data entry if the data 
is not a number or a date.  Anybody wanna throw down on this one?
   
   
  Mark Wrote Dave,
I think you are looking for something like this

repeat for each item myVar in "var1,var2,var2"
   do "put word 1 to -1 of" && myVar && "into" && myVar
end repeat

or

repeat for each line myLine in fld 1
   put (word 1 to -1 of myLine) & cr after myList
end repeat
put word 1 to -1 of myList into fld 1

Best,

Mark

> Does anyone have a handy little script that could be put in a  
> repeat loop to evaluate either the contents of several fields, or a  
> comma delimitered list of variables, and strip any blank spaces  
> that may or may not exist from before and after the contents. To  
> ready the data for insertion into a database.  I am having an issue  
> with data being entered with spaces before of after the words,  and  
> then not showing up in a data query because of that.
>   I usualy insert the datra from several fields into a list such as
>   var1,var2,var3, etc before entering it into a database.
>   Thanks
>   Dave



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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

[Luis]

Richard Gaskin wrote:





My personal fave, not yet built but could be at any time:




Mmmm, chocolate...

Getting OS developers to 'help' would be cool, but imagine if RunRev did 
this, what a selling point! (Ok, another one...).


Cheers,

Luis.





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RE: capitalize

[MisterX]

Actually even in unicode the capital and lowercase Roman characters are 20
units appart.

In old programming style, you would just add 20 to the
numtochar(chartonum("A")) to get the lowercase 'a' and it works from a to
z...

Unfortunately, for other characters like diacriticals this logic is broken
and up to the OS maker. And glad we are that the french academy (who makes
the rules on french) will not sue you or imprison you for not capitalizig a
diacritical e aigu in a sentence beginning! Though at one point it was
almost made into law in France not to use english words on the radio/TV
thanks to these illuminated fools...

I assume for other languages (chinese, hebrew, arabic, etc) there's maybe
some logic, but seeing diacriticals in western languages and the way they
are in the ascII chart, I doubt it. At least at first sight there doesn't
seem to be any logic...

I don't know how HyperTalk, MetaCard or RunRev could handle that. Maybe it's
time to write a character case-parser plugin.

just my 2 cents...

Cheers
Xavier

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
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> Subject: capitalize
> 
> BUT . . .
> 
> for those of us who stray into the Cyrillic alphabet and 
> other non-Roman writing systems . . .
> 
> The RR documentation points out that toLower and toUpper only 
> function with the first 128 ASCII codes.
> 
> Which is a shame.
> 
> Which means that RR is not entirely Unicode compliant.
> 
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
> 
> 
> 
> I have just read and signed the online petition:
> 
>"Hinge & Bracket"
> 
> hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online 
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> 
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> you might agree, too.  If you can spare a moment, please take 
> a look, and consider signing yourself.
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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

[Richard Gaskin]

Luis wrote:

Andre Garzia wrote:

well, this topic has been touched before. Many times. :-)


I suppose that indicates it's need... ;)


What people want is not always what they need. :)

The attraction of a browser plugin is ubiquity -- all you'd need is a 
URL and you can deliver to goods. Or see it seems at first glance.


In practice, of course this would mean locating, downloading, and 
installing yet another plugin, in a world where Flash is already 
pre-installed.


At that point, authoring for a plugin other than Flash becomes about as 
much of an issue for IT managers and end-users as locating, downloading, 
and installing the Rev player or your own custom player, so much of the 
primary benefit of ubiquity is lost in real-world deployment scenarios.


These snippets from previous discussions may be of interest:

Background on the nature and scope of the problem:



Options for solutions:




My personal fave, not yet built but could be at any time:



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Re: Droplet app with AppleEvent

[Zax]

Yeahhh, it works ! Thanks Mark :)

After I have studied your sample stack, it appears that my handler "on
openStack" was - for an unknown raison - stopping the appleEvent process.

So, to make your app react like a droplet, the following script works:


Mark Schonewille-3 wrote:
> 
> The script in the stack script of that stack is:
> 
> on appleEvent theClass,theEvent,theSender
>put theClass & return & theEvent & return & theSender & return &  
> return into myData
>request appleEvent data
>put it after myData
>put myData into fld 1
> end appleEvent
> 

Now, more difficult: ;)
When I drop a text file onto my app icon, this file's path is stored, ready
to be processed.
Let's say my add can perform several processes on this text file:
a - replace all "m" by "n" in this file
b - replace all "U" by "u" in this file
c - another process defined by users...

Is there a way to *dynamically" create a droplet for each process (a and b),
in order to directly start a process when a text file is dropped onto a
droplet?
Of course, this involve to know how a droplet is made... and I really don't
know. Is it a kind of file containing an applescript command line (in my
example: tell myApp to perform process b) and with a special file type?

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capitalize

[Richmond Mathewson]

BUT . . .

for those of us who stray into the Cyrillic alphabet
and other non-Roman writing systems . . .

The RR documentation points out that toLower and
toUpper only function with the first 128 ASCII codes.

Which is a shame.

Which means that RR is not entirely Unicode compliant.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



I have just read and signed the online petition:

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consider signing yourself.

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Re: Revolution Web Browser Plugin

[Luis]

Hiya Mr Rev Server maker,

Andre Garzia wrote:

Luis and friends,

well, this topic has been touched before. Many times. :-)


I suppose that indicates it's need... ;)



I'll touch simple things first, the stacks and cards metaphor of 
Revolution can be presented in a XML format, but anyway, anything can be 
represented in XML format. XML cannot contain binary data, this is a 
violation of the spec. You binary data must be encoded with base64 or 
some other encoding. Not all browsers support SVG also.


XML being pretty much 'freeform' when it comes to tags, the spec could 
easily be tailored for internal use, such as enclosing binary data. For 
internal use this doesn't seem bad to me: You see something good and you 
make it work for your situation.
Now, it 'appears' to be binary data (I believe someone indicated this 
also) but it could be anything else encoded in there.


True, not all browsers support SVG, but there are plugins available.



My systems as seen in http://www.andregarzia.com are not ready, and they 
are targeted at developing web applications with a HTML interface and 
web services using REST and XML-RPC.


As for the eternal struggle of those in favor of a web plugin, let us 
think one thing first. Web plugins are not magical, people still have to 
download and install the plugin, this is not automatical. The plugin 
would at least weight as much as the engine, so it is actually the same 
thing as downloading a Revolution stack player. Plugins must be built 
not only for each browser because each uses a different interface but 
also for each platform. I don't think a browser plugin is a wise idea, 
there's not enough resources to mantain it. I think there are only two 
ways to go:


1) Use thin clients. Many enterprizes are moving away from the 
browser. The browser is dumb and you spend a lot more time dealing with 
its shortcomings than coding your own solution. I advise people to read 
the "beyond the browser" article by Richard Gaskin.
2) In case you really need the browser, use XHTML + Ajax techniques. 
This needs not a plugin, you can just code it server side with Rev and 
client side with Javascript.


Yep, I prefer thin clients, but flexibility of choice is what I'm 
thinking of. You still have to download a thin client!
The ability to do this within Rev, having a Rev card as a 'web page' 
would be a neat trick, and might answer a few needs.




A thing that could be done is to make the engine output java bytecode, 
this would allow a stack to be run inside JVM which would bring it to 
the browser arena, but again, this would involve rewritting the whole 
engine and debugging the new engine and also the JVM, again, there's no 
resource for that I think, it's RunRev not Microsoft.


Yeah, that would be a task and a half! Mind you, I'm curious as to what 
approach to the VM, if it is a VM, RunRev uses.


Cheers,

Luis.




Andre




On Nov 1, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Luis wrote:


Well, from a while ago the XML nature of the Cards was bandied about.
I would have through these could be parsed and the appropriate 'web 
equivalent' controls then written to an HTML file, precluding the need 
for a plugin.
A running Rev instance could do this to itself, saving off the 
contents of the Card view. Stuff like buttons should be ok as long as 
they are 'web safe' images, then there's SVG too.


Interaction would need cgi processing for the data to be sent back to 
the running app, or dealing with it within a Rev Web Server: 
http://www.andregarzia.com/revwiki/page/RevOnRockets


The only problem is the embedded binary data: Are there docs that 
detail its structure?


Cheers,

Luis.



Viktoras Didziulis wrote:

Revolution applets, with possibility to communicate with web page via
javascript or revscript on a web page would be a very handy solution to
deliver java-like applets without all the complexity and overheads of 
java

language. I vote for this.  Best Viktoras
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[OT] - Oops, Apple Dashboard Creator slips out . . .

[Richmond Mathewson]

http://www.digg.com/apple/Apple_accidently_releases_Dashcode_

sincerely, RM



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Re: Droplet app with AppleEvent

[Mark Schonewille]

Hello Zax,

I'll send you a simple stack and, to be absolutely sure you have the  
same as I have, the standalone for that stack, built in Rev 2.7.4.  
Please, let me know what you get in the window of that standalone  
when you drop a file onto the application icon.


The script in the stack script of that stack is:

on appleEvent theClass,theEvent,theSender
  put theClass & return & theEvent & return & theSender & return &  
return into myData

  request appleEvent data
  put it after myData
  put myData into fld 1
end appleEvent

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Op 2-nov-2006, om 10:53 heeft Zax het volgende geschreven:



I just downloaded version 2.74 and I still have thes ame problem  
("applevent"

is received and well trapped *only if my app is already launched*.
Otherwise, when I drop a file onto my app's icon, it launches my  
app by

doesn't receive any apple event :(

So, what am I doing wrong?
I tried with the timer (even when increasing the time) but it  
doesn't appear

to be a right solution because the first "appleEvent" is not received.

Thanks for tou help!


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Re: capitalize

[Viktoras Didziulis]

Thanks! 
V 
 
---Original Message--- 
 
From: Eric Chatonet 
Date: 11/02/06 13:35:00 
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: Re: capitalize 
 
toUpper() and its opposiste: tolower() 
 
Le 2 nov. 06 à 12:30, Viktoras Didziulis a écrit : 
 
> I may have overworked - can not find a built-in text capitalize 
> function. 
> Should I write one myself, or what should I look in Rev dictionary 
> for ? 
> 
> Viktoras 
 
 
Best Regards from Paris, 
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Re: [OT] UK Airport Info

[James Richards]

I've replied offline to Scott's query with some details about bus 
transfers.


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On 2 Nov, 2006, at 02:20, Scott Rossi wrote:


Cheers UK List Folks:

After a canceled flight today, I find myself in need of getting from
Heathrow Airport to Luton.  Might any of you know 1) what kind of 
distance I
am facing and 2) if there is any public transportation I can take to 
get to

Luton from Heathrow?

The next leg of my flight leaves in about an hour and a half...

Thanks & Regards,

- Scott Rossi
Tactile Media


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Re: capitalize

[Eric Chatonet]

toUpper() and its opposiste: tolower()

Le 2 nov. 06 à 12:30, Viktoras Didziulis a écrit :

I may have overworked - can not find a built-in text capitalize  
function.
Should I write one myself, or what should I look in Rev dictionary  
for ?


Viktoras



Best Regards from Paris,
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capitalize

[Viktoras Didziulis]

I may have overworked - can not find a built-in text capitalize function.
Should I write one myself, or what should I look in Rev dictionary for ? 
 
Viktoras
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Re: [OT] UK Airport Info

[Mark Schonewille]

Scott,

Ask anyone in uniform about a shuttle bus that takes you directly  
from Heathrow to Luton. If there isn't one, you'll have to go by  
taxi. I believe the distance is approximately 80 kilometers. You  
probably don't want to use the underground or train, because you'd  
need to change trains a few times (e.g. Heathrow Termanal 1 - London  
Paddington - London Kings Cross - Luton Airport Parkway - Luton  
Airport).


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Op 2-nov-2006, om 3:20 heeft Scott Rossi het volgende geschreven:


Cheers UK List Folks:

After a canceled flight today, I find myself in need of getting from
Heathrow Airport to Luton.  Might any of you know 1) what kind of  
distance I
am facing and 2) if there is any public transportation I can take  
to get to

Luton from Heathrow?

The next leg of my flight leaves in about an hour and a half...

Thanks & Regards,

- Scott Rossi
Tactile Media



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Re: The fileName: When using it in scripts, how to avoid modifiying it for each user ?

[André.Bisseret]

Hi Jim,
Thanks to your advices, my app is working nicely now (at least on  
this point :-))
Changes in "userName" and location of the app'file on his/her disk  
are taken into account automatically when setting the fileName(s) by  
script.


I thank you very much

Best regards from Grenoble
André


Le 1 nov. 06 à 17:08, Jim Ault a écrit :



On 11/1/06 9:30 AM, "André.Bisseret" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,
I have an app a substack of which is a model. This model is clone in
ordre to create other stacks. These created stacks  are main stacks
(not substacks) because they are populated with data which have to be
saved. They are accumulated in a folder (say « theFolder »).

So, for each created stack, I must set its fileName in order to place
it into « theFolder » ; also I must use the fileName in order to be
able to re-open on such stack from «theFolder ». (in each of these
cases, if I simpy use the stack name, that does not work).

Ex : stack « /Users/user’name/desktop/theFolder/oneStackName »

My problem arises when I want to give my app to another user who will
use it with stackRunner (or as a standalone if I save it under this
form) :
then, in several scripts I must change the fileName ; specifically ,
the « user’name ». But also, possibly the destination (« theFolder »
or even « desktop/theFolder », depending on where the user want to
put this folder).

If I want several users get my app., this change becomes
unacceptable (even not possible).

Is it a way to get rid of this constraint ?



First,
the stack filename contains the path to its location.  Use that as the
'home' or 'root' folder name.

Second, on starting the app, get a list of the folders in that same  
folder
your stack is currently in.  If there are none, then ask the user  
for a

folder name (or create a "defaultHome" folder)(or
set the itemdel to "/"
put item 3 of the filename of this stack into tUser
creae folder tUser&"Data"

Third, use the defaultHome folder until the user chooses to do it
differently and names the folder to his liking.  At this time, move  
all of

the files from the defaultHome to the new folder, then delete the old
defaultHome folder.  On start, this will be the only folder that  
contains
the dataFile you need.  Now your stack startup routine will get a  
list of
folders, then look inside until it finds the 'userData.txt file you  
saved

previously.

Fourth, in your defaultFolder, save a text file with the names of  
the stacks
the user may choose in the future, but use default names in case  
they don't

make the effort.

Hope this helps.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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Re: RevCon - How To Increase Rev Profile

[Luis]

Maybe, just maybe, getting bugs fixed would do the trick.
Happier developers not hampered by the environment, less likely to move 
to another environment and releasing more software (ie: more productive).


Cheers,

Luis.


Kay C Lan wrote:

I understand that EuroRevCon will be starting shortly. (Lucki).
I'm sure one of the 'between seminar' chat topics will be why Rev
isn't as popular as it should be and what can be done to put it into
the lime light. Here's one option:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqa9zE9-_Sw

I guess maybe Kevin could specify a RevCon dress code from now on:-)
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Re: Droplet app with AppleEvent

[Zax]

I just downloaded version 2.74 and I still have thes ame problem ("applevent"
is received and well trapped *only if my app is already launched*.
Otherwise, when I drop a file onto my app's icon, it launches my app by
doesn't receive any apple event :(

So, what am I doing wrong?
I tried with the timer (even when increasing the time) but it doesn't appear
to be a right solution because the first "appleEvent" is not received.

Thanks for tou help!


Mark Schonewille-3 wrote:
> 
> Hi Zax,
> 
> Maybe, the answer dialog is not available yet. What happens if you  
> try the following in the mainstack of a standalone?
> 
> on appleEvent
>beep
> end appleEvent
> 
> If you don't hear a beep, it looks (sounds) like a bug. I don't  
> remember seeing this bug in later versions, you might want to  
> download a trial version and try building your application with the  
> latest version.
> 
> If above script works, you can try the following:
> 
> on appleEvent eClass,eID,eSender
>request appleEvent data
>put eClass & return & "id =" && eID & return & "sender =" &&  
> eSender & ¬
>return & "data =" && quote & it & quote into myEventData
>send "showEventData myEventData" to me in 10 millisecs
> end appleEvent
> 
> on showEventData theData
>answer theData
> end showEventData
> 
> Note that this is just a long shot. I'd have to try myself to be sure  
> about this.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Mark
> 
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> 
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> 
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> get full control of error handling in Revolution.
> 
> 
> 
> Op 8-aug-2006, om 15:46 heeft Zax het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> [sorry if I made double-post, I encountered mail problems]
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would like my app made with Revolution 2.51 to react like a  
>> droplet when
>> dropping files or folders on the app icon.
>> I set "" as file type and it's ok: dropping something on my app  
>> icon
>> launches my app.
>>
>> For testing purpose, I wrote this code in my main stack:
>>
>> on appleEvent eClass,eID,eSender
>>   request appleEvent data
>>   answer eClass & return & "id =" && eID & return & "sender =" &&  
>> eSender &
>> return & "data =" && quote & it & quote
>>   pass appleEvent
>> end appleEvent
>>
>> Everything is OK when I drop something onto the app icon *and* my  
>> app is
>> *already opened*. In this case, "it" contains needed data.
>> But when I drop something onto the app icon *and* my app is *not  
>> opened*,
>> then my app is launched but no AppleEvent is sended :(
>> Maybe because the app is not loaded, so it can't receive the  
>> AppleEvent?
>>
>> So, can somebody help me? A droplet must work even the app is not  
>> launched,
>> otherwise it's not really a droplet! Do I have to add something in my
>> "openstack" handler? Or maybe add a "startup" handler with some  
>> special code
>> in it?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> -- 
>> Zax
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