Re: Built-in patterns

2007-02-10 Thread Martin Baxter

J. sandman Gay wrote:

Devin Asay wrote:


On Feb 8, 2007, at 11:06 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

I've got a graphic with its foregroundpattern set to 9, one of the 
built-in patterns in the IDE. I always thought these were part of the 
engine. But when I build a standalone, there's problems.


On OS X, the graphic draws pure white. On Windows, it crashes the 
whole app the moment I make the graphic visible.


It looks like the patterns are not being included in the standalone. 
Anyone have experience with this? Am I going to have to hunt down the 
pattern and include a copy in my stack? The standalone builder 
doesn't have an option to copy them over, and to be honest, I always 
thought that was unnecessary.


Jacque,

I could swear that an earlier version of the Standalone Builder 
allowed you to include the standard image and pattern libraries. I 
posed a question about this a few months ago, but didn't get any 
response. I think it's needed, because if you use images or patterns 
from the standard or even *shudder* Metcard libraries ;-) they 
disappear in the standalone.


If this isn't done already, I'll submit a feature enhancement to 
QCzilla. Anybody know anything about this?


I didn't see anything in bugzilla about it, but if you do submit I'd 
suggest doing it as a bug rather than as an enhancement request. Just 
the fact that missing patterns crash Windows is enough to qualify it as 
a bug, but even if that didn't happen, it is something people expect as 
part of the standalone building process. If patterns aren't included 
automatically, there should at least be an option to include them in the 
SB just as you can include cursors now.




I'd just like to reiterate that there used to be such an option in the 
distribution builder. I still have 2.1.2 installed and have checked 
this. In the inclusions pane there was a check box labelled: image and 
pattern libraries which allowed you to select any combination of the 
following for inclusion: standard icons, meta card icons, default 
patterns and meta card patterns.


Apparently this got lost along the way.

Martin Baxter
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Re: list open applications on Windows

2007-02-10 Thread Chipp Walters

Perhaps MS's sysInternals can help:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/PsList.mspx

-Chipp
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Re: Ken Burns?

2007-02-10 Thread Ian Wood


On 10 Feb 2007, at 06:43, Richard Gaskin wrote:

It would seem that somewhere in Core Image is a KB effect, since  
it's used in iPhoto, the built-in screen saver, and perhaps  
elsewhere.  Since those work on random images, they're not pre- 
rendered, but apparently done on the fly with a highly-optimized  
routine.


A highly optimised routine running on the graphics card...

Ian
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Re: BUG: Anyone confirm SSL support broken on 2.7.4 MacOS X Intel

2007-02-10 Thread David Bovill

Andre - where can I find RevOnRockets ?  I cant reach
http://www.andregarzia.com?
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Re: Externals Under 2.7.x

2007-02-10 Thread Dave

Hi,

Thanks a lot Mark and Trevor, as usual this list has proved to be  
worth its weight in RAM!


Something like revLastExternalError.  By always setting this  
variable to any error messages from within the external you  
maintain standard behavior for functions and have a variable to  
check for errors:


Except that if the function was non-external then you'd still have to  
have different code paths?


All the Best
Dave

On 10 Feb 2007, at 04:28, Trevor DeVore wrote:


On Feb 9, 2007, at 7:10 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

If you set error to False you still have control over the result  
value

returned to the engine when your external routine exits. This is the
proper way to signal to the engine that an error has occurred, and
that way the script that called the external routine can parse the
result and determine whether or not an error has occurred.

For functions you will normally return your result in the it
variable and thus you have the result available for an error
message. I've got a writeup on this at

http://www.revjournal.com/tutorials/everything-you-know.html


Interesting article Mark.  I wasn't aware that the result was set  
when calling functions.


As for storing your result in the it variable, one potential  
issue I see (if I am understanding correctly) is that functions  
defined in an external would have different basic behavior than  
functions defined in Revolution (Transcript).  Any function defined  
in an external would have to be called like this in order to work  
properly:


put getTheNumberFour() into theError
answer it -- CONTAINS THE NUMBER 4

because if the user called the external function like this:

get getTheNumberFour()

then both it and the result would contain the error message.   
Plus you would lose the ability to put result of the function into  
a meaning variable name without adding another assignment (i.e. put  
it into theMeaningVariableName).


I think this is why I prefer something along the lines of a  
GetLastError() call.  Or another option would be to define some  
other variable that was responsible for holding errors from  
external functions.  Something like revLastExternalError.  By  
always setting this variable to any error messages from within the  
external you maintain standard behavior for functions and have a  
variable to check for errors:


put getTheNumberFour() into theNumberFour
if revLastExternalError is not empty then
  answer How did it mess up returning the number 4? (   
revLastExternalError  )

end if


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RevOnRockets - download?

2007-02-10 Thread David Bovill

Anyone got a copy? Doing some CGI work and would like to take a look -
but there seems to be a DNS issue with
http://www.andregarzia.com/revwiki/page/RevOnRockets - maybe its
moving?
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Re: Externals Under 2.7.x

2007-02-10 Thread Trevor DeVore

On Feb 10, 2007, at 4:36 AM, Dave wrote:

Something like revLastExternalError.  By always setting this  
variable to any error messages from within the external you  
maintain standard behavior for functions and have a variable to  
check for errors:


Except that if the function was non-external then you'd still have  
to have different code paths?


You could define revLastExternalError (or some variable of your  
choice) as global and use it to report errors from any function.  The  
trick of setting the it variable and the result in a function is  
something you can only do in an external so even if you go that route  
you would have to come up with a different solution for functions  
written in Revolution.


Another option might be to throw errors when they occur in functions  
which I think is what is happening if you set the error variable to  
true in an external.


I guess you could also go the route of always passing the variable  
that will contain the function result by reference and always  
returning the error at the end of the function.


function getSomeValue @pReturnValue, param1, param2
local theError

... Do stuff to get value.  If something goes wrong then put  
error string into theError


return theError
end getSomeValue

To accomplish the same thing in an external function you would pass  
in the name of the variable and set it using SetVariable.


I'm really just thinking (typing) out loud on this but it is an issue  
I've been thinking about lately as I don't really have a standard  
means of reporting errors from functions.  I find myself  
experimenting with different methods in my projects.  All I know is I  
really don't like functions that can return a result that can be  
valid data or an error string.


Any other ideas?


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Re: Built-in patterns

2007-02-10 Thread J. Landman Gay

Martin Baxter wrote:

I'd just like to reiterate that there used to be such an option in the 
distribution builder. I still have 2.1.2 installed and have checked 
this. In the inclusions pane there was a check box labelled: image and 
pattern libraries which allowed you to select any combination of the 
following for inclusion: standard icons, meta card icons, default 
patterns and meta card patterns.


Wish I'd remembered that before spending all that time debugging the 
problem. Thanks for the reminder. I'll bugzilla the omission.


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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: Built-in patterns - Bug added to QC Center

2007-02-10 Thread Devin Asay


On Feb 9, 2007, at 6:17 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Devin Asay wrote:

On Feb 8, 2007, at 11:06 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
I've got a graphic with its foregroundpattern set to 9, one of  
the built-in patterns in the IDE. I always thought these were  
part of the engine. But when I build a standalone, there's problems.


On OS X, the graphic draws pure white. On Windows, it crashes the  
whole app the moment I make the graphic visible.


It looks like the patterns are not being included in the  
standalone. Anyone have experience with this? Am I going to have  
to hunt down the pattern and include a copy in my stack? The  
standalone builder doesn't have an option to copy them over, and  
to be honest, I always thought that was unnecessary.

Jacque,
I could swear that an earlier version of the Standalone Builder  
allowed you to include the standard image and pattern libraries. I  
posed a question about this a few months ago, but didn't get any  
response. I think it's needed, because if you use images or  
patterns from the standard or even *shudder* Metcard  
libraries ;-) they disappear in the standalone.
If this isn't done already, I'll submit a feature enhancement to  
QCzilla. Anybody know anything about this?


I didn't see anything in bugzilla about it, but if you do submit  
I'd suggest doing it as a bug rather than as an enhancement  
request. Just the fact that missing patterns crash Windows is  
enough to qualify it as a bug, but even if that didn't happen, it  
is something people expect as part of the standalone building  
process. If patterns aren't included automatically, there should at  
least be an option to include them in the SB just as you can  
include cursors now.


Added. BZ #4299. Vote early and often.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Built-in patterns

2007-02-10 Thread Devin Asay


On Feb 10, 2007, at 10:18 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Martin Baxter wrote:

I'd just like to reiterate that there used to be such an option in  
the distribution builder. I still have 2.1.2 installed and have  
checked this. In the inclusions pane there was a check box  
labelled: image and pattern libraries which allowed you to  
select any combination of the following for inclusion: standard  
icons, meta card icons, default patterns and meta card patterns.


Wish I'd remembered that before spending all that time debugging  
the problem. Thanks for the reminder. I'll bugzilla the omission.


Oops! Looks like Jacque beat me to it. I'll cancel BZ 4299 in favor  
of BZ 4298.


Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Externals Under 2.7.x

2007-02-10 Thread Mark Wieder
Trevor-

Friday, February 9, 2007, 8:28:11 PM, you wrote:

 Interesting article Mark.  I wasn't aware that the result was set
 when calling functions.

Nor was I until I started investigating this. And trying to figure out
error reporting from externals was what get me into it.

 As for storing your result in the it variable, one potential issue
 I see (if I am understanding correctly) is that functions defined in
 an external would have different basic behavior than functions  
 defined in Revolution (Transcript).  Any function defined in an  
 external would have to be called like this in order to work properly:

 put getTheNumberFour() into theError
 answer it -- CONTAINS THE NUMBER 4

 because if the user called the external function like this:

 get getTheNumberFour()

 then both it and the result would contain the error message.   
 Plus you would lose the ability to put result of the function into a
 meaning variable name without adding another assignment (i.e. put it
 into theMeaningVariableName).

Actually that's the way functions work. The internal db and xml
handlers return a value to you and you have to check the result to see
if it (trying to refer to these natural language syntax values is
getting a bit difficult) to see if it contains revxml err or
something like that.

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Re: Externals Under 2.7.x

2007-02-10 Thread Mark Wieder
Dave-

Saturday, February 10, 2007, 4:36:03 AM, you wrote:

 Except that if the function was non-external then you'd still have to
 have different code paths?

Yes, but supposedly you know the difference in your script between an
internal and external function call. Unless you're trying to implement
ambiguous or lambda functions, in which case you need your own sort of
recovery mechanism anyway.

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Re: Externals Under 2.7.x

2007-02-10 Thread Trevor DeVore

On Feb 10, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:


As for storing your result in the it variable, one potential issue
I see (if I am understanding correctly) is that functions defined in
an external would have different basic behavior than functions
defined in Revolution (Transcript).  Any function defined in an
external would have to be called like this in order to work properly:



put getTheNumberFour() into theError
answer it -- CONTAINS THE NUMBER 4



because if the user called the external function like this:



get getTheNumberFour()



then both it and the result would contain the error message.
Plus you would lose the ability to put result of the function into a
meaning variable name without adding another assignment (i.e. put it
into theMeaningVariableName).


Actually that's the way functions work. The internal db and xml
handlers return a value to you and you have to check the result to see
if it (trying to refer to these natural language syntax values is
getting a bit difficult) to see if it contains revxml err or
something like that.


The rev externals do return the error string as the result of the  
function but they don't explicitly store any value in the it  
variable.  For example, if you do this:


on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
put revXMLNodeContents(theNonExistentXMLTreeID,no node) into  
theContent

put it  cr  theContent
end mouseUp

The message box would print:

it
xmlerr, bad document id

Whereas with your interesting trick it would be empty I believe.

So with the rev externals you end up checking the same value for  
either an error string or the returned value.  This is the method  
like least of all for error reporting.



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U3 Validation

2007-02-10 Thread Derek Bump
I'm trying to get one of my standalones certified by U3 for deployment
on their system, but I can't seem to get past one of their Deployment
Kit's testing phases:

  Phase:  Pre-Install Test Module
Sub:  PI3
  Error...

element content failed type check: 0=0
Schematron validation
In pattern upgrade:
options should have an upgrade element if the U3 Launchpad upgrade
process is to be used in the future.
In pattern shortDescription:
   Consider adding a shortDescription child to the 'application'
element. The shortDescription field allows you to set up a Launchpad
tooltip for versions of the U3 Launchpad that have support for tooltips.


What does this mean?  I though it ment that one of my Version strings
was empty so I filled them all out, still a failure though.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software


Compress photos easily with JPEGCompress
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Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool

2007-02-10 Thread Mark Swindell
What is the status of Andre's project... has it been released?  I'm  
wondering how to incorporate a viable registration scheme into a  
project I hope to release soon.  Are there other alternatives that  
people who use Rev like?

Thanks
Mark



Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool
kee nethery
Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:57:08 -0700

Just waiting for Andre to finish it and release it.
Kee


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Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool

2007-02-10 Thread Andre Garzia
I had a problem with my development machine, got a new one this week,  
need to solve some bugs before release


will post news asap!

Andre
On Feb 10, 2007, at 9:27 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:

What is the status of Andre's project... has it been released?  I'm  
wondering how to incorporate a viable registration scheme into a  
project I hope to release soon.  Are there other alternatives that  
people who use Rev like?

Thanks
Mark



Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool
kee nethery
Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:57:08 -0700

Just waiting for Andre to finish it and release it.
Kee


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Re: RevOnRockets - download?

2007-02-10 Thread Andre Garzia
there's something wrong with my server and ssh is not running right  
now... fetch the file here with http://www.andregarzia.com/RevHTTP.zip


andre
PS: don't we hate virtual servers in other continents...

On Feb 10, 2007, at 11:30 AM, David Bovill wrote:


Anyone got a copy? Doing some CGI work and would like to take a look -
but there seems to be a DNS issue with
http://www.andregarzia.com/revwiki/page/RevOnRockets - maybe its
moving?
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Re: RevOnRockets - download?

2007-02-10 Thread Andre Garzia

solved, server is now online again...

andre

On Feb 10, 2007, at 11:30 AM, David Bovill wrote:


Anyone got a copy? Doing some CGI work and would like to take a look -
but there seems to be a DNS issue with
http://www.andregarzia.com/revwiki/page/RevOnRockets - maybe its
moving?
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Buttonclick deselects text

2007-02-10 Thread Kresten Bjerg
Hi
I have  buttons, which, on mouseup,  shall use bits of user-selectedtext
from a textfield. But it seems that the clicking of some  buttons
deselects the text before it can be caught. I guess this is a trivial
problem,but : what is the trick to postpone the deselection ?
I shall be grateful for advice
Kresten Bjerg


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Re: Buttonclick deselects text

2007-02-10 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins

Hi Kresten,

Just put the selected text into a temp variable it's available to use  
by the button click.


Joe  Wilkins

On Feb 10, 2007, at 4:38 PM, Kresten Bjerg wrote:


Hi
I have  buttons, which, on mouseup,  shall use bits of user- 
selectedtext

from a textfield. But it seems that the clicking of some  buttons
deselects the text before it can be caught. I guess this is a trivial
problem,but : what is the trick to postpone the deselection ?
I shall be grateful for advice
Kresten Bjerg


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Re: Buttonclick deselects text

2007-02-10 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins

Hi again,

Incidentally, that temp variable to which I referred will probably  
have to be a global var.


Joe Wilkins

On Feb 10, 2007, at 4:38 PM, Kresten Bjerg wrote:


Hi
I have  buttons, which, on mouseup,  shall use bits of user- 
selectedtext

from a textfield. But it seems that the clicking of some  buttons
deselects the text before it can be caught. I guess this is a trivial
problem,but : what is the trick to postpone the deselection ?
I shall be grateful for advice
Kresten Bjerg


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Re: Buttonclick deselects text

2007-02-10 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi Kresten,

Set the traversalOn of the button to false. You can do this from the  
message box or in the property inspector. On the basic properties  
pane of the property inspector, you will see a checkbox called Focus  
with keyboard or TraversalOn. Make sure that this checkbox is not  
checked.


Best,

Mark

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Op 11-feb-2007, om 1:38 heeft Kresten Bjerg het volgende geschreven:


Hi
I have  buttons, which, on mouseup,  shall use bits of user- 
selectedtext

from a textfield. But it seems that the clicking of some  buttons
deselects the text before it can be caught. I guess this is a trivial
problem,but : what is the trick to postpone the deselection ?
I shall be grateful for advice
Kresten Bjerg


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Re: Buttonclick deselects text

2007-02-10 Thread Mark Smith

Kresten, you put this in the card script:

local tSelText

on mouseEnter
  if button is in the target then put theSelectedText into tSelText
end mouseEnter

function getSelText
  return tSelText
end getSelText

and in the relevant button scripts:

on mouseUp
  doSomethingWith getSelText()
end mouseUp

Best,

Mark

On 11 Feb 2007, at 00:38, Kresten Bjerg wrote:


Hi
I have  buttons, which, on mouseup,  shall use bits of user- 
selectedtext

from a textfield. But it seems that the clicking of some  buttons
deselects the text before it can be caught. I guess this is a trivial
problem,but : what is the trick to postpone the deselection ?
I shall be grateful for advice
Kresten Bjerg


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Re: Buttonclick deselects text

2007-02-10 Thread J. Landman Gay

Kresten Bjerg wrote:

Hi
I have  buttons, which, on mouseup,  shall use bits of user-selectedtext
from a textfield. But it seems that the clicking of some  buttons
deselects the text before it can be caught. I guess this is a trivial
problem,but : what is the trick to postpone the deselection ?
I shall be grateful for advice


This happens if the button's autoselect property is true. If you set the 
autoselect to false, text will remain selected. If you want the button 
to hilite when clicked, you'll have to handle that in a script that sets 
the hilite to true on mousedown and sets it back to false on mouseup and 
mouserelease.


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Re: Buttonclick deselects text

2007-02-10 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi Jacque,

I don't think buttons have an autoselect property. You probably mean  
the traversalOn.


Best,

Mark

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Op 11-feb-2007, om 3:17 heeft J. Landman Gay het volgende geschreven:



This happens if the button's autoselect property is true. If you  
set the autoselect to false, text will remain selected. If you want  
the button to hilite when clicked, you'll have to handle that in a  
script that sets the hilite to true on mousedown and sets it back  
to false on mouseup and mouserelease.


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Re: Buttonclick deselects text

2007-02-10 Thread J. Landman Gay

Mark Schonewille wrote:

Hi Kresten,

Set the traversalOn of the button to false. You can do this from the 
message box or in the property inspector. On the basic properties pane 
of the property inspector, you will see a checkbox called Focus with 
keyboard or TraversalOn. Make sure that this checkbox is not checked.


This answer is better than my original, because this way you don't have 
to handle hiliting manually. I don't think I realized that turning off 
traversalOn was all that is required, but it makes sense. The problem is 
really just the focus change.


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Arrowkey problem - is it a bug?

2007-02-10 Thread Martin Blackman

Hi List,

I have the following text in a button in an otherwise blank stack:

on mouseUp
  create fld f1
  group fld f1
  focus on fld f1
end mouseUp

I can now type in the field but the arrowkeys don't work.  If I click
in the field then the arrowkeys start working again.

The problem happens only if I group the field or put it into an existing group.

I have tried to get around it by appending a 'select empty' and then
'click at the loc of fld f1 or 'focus on fld f1'  but that didn't
help.

This is Rev 2.7.4 on XP

regards
Martin Blackman
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Re: Arrowkey problem - is it a bug?

2007-02-10 Thread Martin Blackman

With a bit more prodding around it seems that I only get this in the
Galaxy environment and need to have opened the projects menu in Galaxy
at some time beforehand. Doesn't seem to happen in the standalone
which is the main thing.

On 11/02/07, Martin Blackman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi List,

I have the following text in a button in an otherwise blank stack:

on mouseUp
  create fld f1
  group fld f1
  focus on fld f1
end mouseUp

I can now type in the field but the arrowkeys don't work.  If I click
in the field then the arrowkeys start working again.

The problem happens only if I group the field or put it into an existing group.

I have tried to get around it by appending a 'select empty' and then
'click at the loc of fld f1 or 'focus on fld f1'  but that didn't
help.

This is Rev 2.7.4 on XP

regards
Martin Blackman


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Draw and Paint Control Palette

2007-02-10 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins

Hi Everyone,

Is there a way that Rev's Draw and Paint Control Palette can be added  
to our own Stacks so that they will be available in the standalones  
created later on? It would also be nice if its Tool functions were  
also available.


TIA,

Joe Wilkins
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Re: Buttonclick deselects text

2007-02-10 Thread J. Landman Gay

Mark Schonewille wrote:

Hi Jacque,

I don't think buttons have an autoselect property. You probably mean the 
traversalOn.


Actually, I meant autohilite but my mind was obviously elsewhere while 
I was typing. But traversalOn is a better way to do it.


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Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool

2007-02-10 Thread Chipp Walters

Mark,

As you may be able to surmise, most of us developers are reticent to
discuss our own registration libraries in a public forum. You might
want to search the archives as there has been a few threads on this
topic in the past.

best, Chipp
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