Re: Duration of non supported applications

[Bill Marriott]

> I can't answer all your Windows question with authority, but let me  just 
> point out that if you have Rev 2.7 already, 2.8 is a free  upgrade, as 2.9 
> will be.

- Revolution 2.8 is free to users who had an active license as of its 
release on February 19, 2007, per the usual licensing arrangement.

- Revolution 2.9 will be free to anyone who had an active license as of 
February 1, 2006, or purchased any version after that date.

Thus, there are some customers for whom 2.9 will be free, but 2.8 is not. 



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Re: Implications of limited writes to flash drives

[Bill Marriott]

Richard,

> How serious do you think this limitation is in practical use?

The thing that comes to mind immediately for me is Vista's "ReadyBoost" 
feature, which could easily reach that number of writes in a short period of 
time! 



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Re: date and time entry group/stack

[Marty Knapp]

Hey Björnke,

You're welcome! Glad that you could use my stack. It actually started 
life as a WindowScript (anybody remember that?) window in Hypercard, way 
back when.


Marty Knapp


Hi folks

I made a little date and time entry group. It's based on a stack by 
Marty Knapp from revOnline (thanks Marty!). You can find my stack on 
revOnline (as "Calendar date and time selector by BvG"), or on my 
Homepage:


http://bjoernke.com/runrev/stacks.php

Detailed documentation within the stack.
If you have questions or suggestions, don't hesitate to join chatrev, 
or mail me.




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Re: [OFF] Input/Info Requested

[Mark Wieder]

Bill-

Here's my VB-to-xtalk cheat sheet. Hope you find something useful in
it. The formatting looks all wonky to me today for some reason. I'm
not sure why. Everything used to line up nicely, but now it all seems
staggered. Let me know if you have trouble with it and I'll try to
reformat it again into something more useful.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]Visual Basic-to-xTalk Cheat Sheet:

XTalk languages follow a natural-language approach. In general, statements are 
of the imperative form in which there is an implied second-person subject of 
the statement (you) and the verb is the first word of the line: "put value into 
container", "add 1 to someVariable", etc.

Thus the VB syntax in which some statements have an implied verb ("X=4" instead 
of "LET X=4") must be translated to xTalk syntax "put 4 into x".

lblTemperature.Text = 98.6  put 98.6 into field "lblTemperature"
xyz = xyz + 1   add 1 to xyz
let x = 3.14put 3.14 into x

In most cases a direct translation of VB to xTalk is not the best way to code 
any given problem. As with any programming language, there are many ways to 
accomplish any task. Direct translation will provide the fastest way to get a 
project converted, but from there out a rethinkng of the code will provide code 
that executes faster in fewer lines, is more readable and maintainable, and may 
offer new insights into how to solve a problem.

Arrays: Arrays in xTalk are associative - the index may be, but does not need 
to be, numeric in order to access array elements. The VB array syntax 
arrayName(index) is replaced by arrayName[index]. There is no VB equivalent for 
a non-numeric array index.

arrayName(4) = "hello"  put "hello" into arrayName[4]
put "hello" into 
arrayName["greeting"]
put "bonjour" into 
arrayName["greeting",tCurrentLanguage]

The odd VB syntax of returning a value from a function (procedure) by assigning 
the value to the name of the procedure is replaced in xTalk by the more 
standard return keyword.

PROCNAME = someValuereturn someValue

Similarities: xTalk, like VB, is not case-specific: somevariable is the same as 
someVariable, as are SOMEVARIABLE and sOmEvArIAblE. Unless explicitVars is set 
to true (enable variable checking in the menu) variables do not need to be 
declared before use. This is similar to VB's OPTION EXPLICIT. In xTalk 
single-word string literals should be, but in general do not have to be (unless 
explicitVars is true), quoted:

put red into tCurrentColor
put "black" into tCurrentColor
answer hello
answer "hello, sailor"

The following are not necessary in xTalk:
REDIM
LET
PI is already defined as a constant

The following VB constants map directly to the following xTalk keywords:

vbCRLF  return
vbKeyReturn return
vbNewLine   cr
vbKeyBack   8
vbOKOnly"OK"
vbNullStringempty
vbBlack "black"
vbWhite "white"
vbRed   "red"
vbBlue  "blue"
vbGreen "green"
vbYellow"yellow"
vbMagenta   "magenta"
vbCyan  "cyan"

more direct mapping:

' (comment indicator)   "--" or "#"
DIM X AS INTEGERlocal x or global x
PROCEDURE SomeProc  function SomeProc
DO  repeat
WHILE   repeat while
WENDend while
LOOPend while
SELECT CASE switch (use break statement between 
cases)
END SELECT  end switch
CASE ELSE   default
OPEN fileName as "x"open file fileName
CLOSE "x"   close file fileName
OPTION EXPLICIT explictVars
TRIM(SomeString)word 1 to -1 of SomeString

The following VB keywords have no mapping:
ON ERROR(use try/catch construct)

The following constructs have no direct equivalent:
WITH
END WITH
label:
GOTO label
dot notation:
instead of "lblMyLabel.Height" use "the height of field "MyLabel"
Timer controls
possibly use invisible buttons with "send 'Timer' to me in the interval 
of me milliseconds"
System and ActiveX controls in external libraries

VB screen coordinates are in Twips rather than in pixels. There are usually 15 
tw

Re: Implications of limited writes to flash drives

[Mark Wieder]

Richard-

Friday, March 16, 2007, 10:46:28 AM, you wrote:

> Have any of you had a flash drive fail on writes?
> How serious do you think this limitation is in practical use?

Sheesh. You're worried about "several hundred thousand" write cycles?
I don't write to flash drives all that often - read cycles are much
more prevalent. I think more to the point is that I've outgrown my
smaller flash drives and had to move to newer and bigger ones.

There's a wonderful tradition that started many years ago when monks
began transcribing manuscripts. I believe they called it backups. I
don't have *anything* on a flash drive that I don't have backed up
somewhere safe. Usually multiple copies. But then that's just me being
paranoid that my media might self-destruct some day.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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date and time entry group/stack

[Björnke von Gierke]

Hi folks

I made a little date and time entry group. It's based on a stack by 
Marty Knapp from revOnline (thanks Marty!). You can find my stack on 
revOnline (as "Calendar date and time selector by BvG"), or on my 
Homepage:


http://bjoernke.com/runrev/stacks.php

Detailed documentation within the stack.
If you have questions or suggestions, don't hesitate to join chatrev, 
or mail me.


--

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev";

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Re: baltic fonts not supported ?..

[Pamela Crossley]

hi viktoras, how about this:

1) write the text outside (notepad or whatever)
2) paste into the text field
3) get the textFont of the field

then see if you can set the textFont to that field permanently and  
get better results?


i use macintosh so have no clever ideas. i also don't know any  
lithuanian. but when i used my text input on the macintosh to input  
in unicode lithuanian (just romanization of english words, alas), and  
converted it to HTML, it returned the font "Gnveva CE" (for Central  
European). Is there such a font on uour machine?



On Dec 28, 2006, at 6:35 AM, Viktoras Didziulis wrote:

Windows XP, Rev Studio 2.6. Can't type Baltic (Lithuanian) fonts  
into text
field. Yes, regional settings and keyboard's language bar selection  
are
correct and working for any other app except for Rev... No problems  
with
typing Cyrillic (Russian) text or Japanese, but when I try typing  
my native
language it prints accented characters instead. It seems that the  
only way

to get Lithuanian text into that field is to print it outside Rev (in
Notepad, or any other text editor) and then copy/paste it into the  
field.

Tried many combinations of set the textFont of fld "fText" to "Verdana
Baltic", then "Lucida Sans Unicode,Unicode" and even "Times New Roman
Lithuanian" (and here the studio crashed :-)). Is there anything  
left that
could do the trick?.. Otherwise it seems my programs are limited to  
foreign

market only, when there are ~3 500 000 of us :-)

Best wishes
Viktoras
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Re: Implications of limited writes to flash drives

[Luis]

Probably just keeps settings on the stick and runs the rest in RAM.  
Some 'Live' CD distros do the same onto the HD.


Cheers,

Luis.


On 17 Mar 2007, at 0:43, Bob Warren wrote:


Richard Gaskin wrote:

 >Like all flash memory devices, flash drives can sustain only
  a limited number of write and erase cycles before failure.
  Mid-range flash drives under normal conditions will support
  several hundred thousand cycles, although write operations
  will gradually slow as the device ages. This should be a
  consideration when using a flash drive to run application
  software or an operating system.




-- 
-
Interestingly, the maker of Puppy Linux has attempted to minimize  
this problem, since the operating system itself as well as  
application software can be run totally from a flash drive. How  
successful he has actually been I am not yet in a position to  
evaluate.


Bob

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Re: Can REV create Excel files?

[Martin Blackman]

Just continuing down the path which Ken helped put me on, I thought
I'd share my little routine which uses vbscript to get the Names in an
Excel workbook and the ranges to which they refer:

function getXLNames
  put "Dim ObjXL,tRetVal,tName" & cr & \
"Set ObjXL = GetObject(," & q("Excel.Application") & ")" into tScript
  put cr& "For Each tName In ObjXL.ActiveWorkbook.Names" & cr & \
"tRetVal = tRetVal & tName.Name  & tName.RefersTo & vbCrLf" &
cr & "Next" after tScript
  put cr & "tRetVal = Left(tRetVal,Len(tRetVal) - 2)" & cr & \
"WScript.Echo tRetVal" after tScript
  put tmpfolder&"/VBSTemp.vbs" into tFile  --tmpfolder is a global
var holding a path
  put tScript into url("file:" & tFile)
  set the hideconsolewindows to true
  get shell("cscript.exe //nologo" && tFile)
  send "delete file" && q(tFile) to me in 1 second
  if char -1 of it is cr then delete char -1 of it
  return it
end getXLNames
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Re: Implications of limited writes to flash drives

[Bob Warren]

Richard Gaskin wrote:

 >Like all flash memory devices, flash drives can sustain only
  a limited number of write and erase cycles before failure.
  Mid-range flash drives under normal conditions will support
  several hundred thousand cycles, although write operations
  will gradually slow as the device ages. This should be a
  consideration when using a flash drive to run application
  software or an operating system.



---
Interestingly, the maker of Puppy Linux has attempted to minimize this 
problem, since the operating system itself as well as application 
software can be run totally from a flash drive. How successful he has 
actually been I am not yet in a position to evaluate.


Bob

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OT Adobe Serial/Ethical Question

[Mark Swindell]

Ethics and logistics question:

I just bought a used iMac with GoLive CS installed on it.  It didn't  
come with the install disks, but the program is authorized for the  
computer.  I'm wondering if I technically have the right to use it?


If the answer is yes, then do I have the right to move it to another  
HD/CPU and delete the original?


Of course, I don't know how to access the serial number on the iMac  
to authorize the copied program, but I'm curious if I should even  
wonder about it, or just dump it.


Ideally, I'd like to be able to move the program to my main computer,  
and reformat the iMac and give it to my mom... the original plan.  If  
I'm being a scurvy dog, I can just dump the CS version and continue  
to use my purchased copy of GoLive in Classic mode.  But I'm curious...


Thanks
Mark
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Re: Switching screen res on OS X

[Mark Talluto]

On Mar 15, 2007, at 9:30 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:


Hi All,

Several times people have asked how to change screen resolution
programmatically. I usually recommended the Terminal command "cscreen"
but it is no longer under development and it does not handle all
resolutions especially the "stretched" ones.

I have now found another option called SwitchResX
. It is not free, but
it is a lot more powerful and as it is AppleScriptable, you can use it
in your scripts once it is installed.

Cheers,
Sarah



Good info Sarah.  Thanks!


Mark Talluto
--
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com

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Re: Anyone see this same ?bug?

[Bridger Maxwell]

I get the same error every once in a while, but I just rearrange it, or add
parentheses and then it works again.  It has only happened two or three
times, and has always been fairly easy to solve, but I never am able to see
why it is throwing an error.  Good to know I am not the only one.

 TTFN
   Bridger
   Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center

On 3/16/07, Jim Ault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Seems to be a bug, or just an inconsistency.  Am I missing something about
Rev?

Error =   if: missing 'then'

  if "Version Alpha" is among the lines of the cardnames then
answer "This has already been linked to a card"
exit to top
end if

This version works by adding parens

  if "Version Alpha" is among the lines of (the cardnames) then
answer "This has already been linked to a card"
exit to top
end if

Mac OSX 10.4.7, Rev 2.7.2  IDEnvironment

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: [OFF] Input/Info Requested

[Devin Asay]

On Mar 16, 2007, at 2:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Bill Marriott wrote:

It's my opinion that we (you can consider that "we" the company,  
or the community, or both) need to develop a ore complete library  
of self-contained "starter" kits for various tasks that Revolution  
is well-suited for. A kit being: narrative; code snippets; sample  
stacks, etc.
That library should be at runrev.com, and actively maintained.  
They should all

- share the same look-and-feel in stacks
- use consistent style-sheets/templates for documentation
- meet standards of professionalism
- be dead-simple for the newcomer (no weird xTalk tricks or fancy- 
shmancy footwork)


These meet all the above requirements for basic newcomer info:
 http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/>

They are not specifically task-related, though; they are more  
concept-related. They do contain sections for narrative, code  
snippets, and example stacks, all wrapped in a consistent  
interface. The goal in producing these tutorial stacks was to  
provide a consistent library of basic instruction, located on  
Runtime's site.


I'd be happy to make the template stack accessible to anyone who  
wants to use it for task-specific tutorials. The template stack has  
already been standardized for branding, appearance, and presentation.


Thanks, Jacque for that reminder--I took the chance to revisit some  
of the scripting conference stacks, and was reminded again how well- 
done they are. It seems like this series could be easily adapted and  
extended beyond just the scripting conference. I'd be happy, for  
instance, to contribute a unicode tutorial.


Some of the comments here have been right on target--there is plenty  
of material out there; it just isn't obvious to the newcomer what the  
best source is. In fact, I admit myself that I'm a bit bewildered at  
the amount of good material out there.


Happy St. Paddy's Day, everyone!

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Unusual Problem

[J. Landman Gay]

Charles Szasz wrote:

1. When the printing is completed that has four pages or cards, the user 
is on the fourth screen that has the optional page that was printed. The 
print button is located on the third page where the user started the 
printing. This occurs on both XP and OS X standalones. I am using the 
print card command with Open Printing. Why is the user not returned to 
the third card where the print button is after printing is completed?


Your script probably goes to each card to print it, so you are left on 
the last card that was sent to the printer. Just add a line after the 
printing routine that goes back to card 3.




2. Why are pages that are printed not in collated order?  On both XP and 
OS X, the page are printed with pages numbered page 3, page 1, page 2 
and page 4 in this order. This occurs in both the IDE and standalones. I 
know I don't give the user to choose collation as an option but you 
would think that the marked pages would be printed in the same order 
(1,2,3) which coincides with the marked order of the cards.


Are your cards in logical order, so that the third card the user sees is 
really card 3 in the stack? When Rev prints marked cards, it does them 
in the stack order. If the card that the user sees as the second card is 
really in the stack's fourth position, it will be printed fourth.


--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: [OFF] Input/Info Requested

[Devin Asay]

On Mar 16, 2007, at 2:32 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:

[various comments about the wealth of resources available for Rev  
newbies]


I do appreciate there's a lot of good stuff out there. As a not-so- 
newbie I
still find it bewildering where to look, and the landscape is  
constantly
changing. It seems even a mere directory of these is a daunting  
challenge.


It's my opinion that we (you can consider that "we" the company, or  
the
community, or both) need to develop a ore complete library of self- 
contained
"starter" kits for various tasks that Revolution is well-suited  
for. A kit

being: narrative; code snippets; sample stacks, etc.

That library should be at runrev.com, and actively maintained. They  
should

all

- share the same look-and-feel in stacks
- use consistent style-sheets/templates for documentation
- meet standards of professionalism
- be dead-simple for the newcomer (no weird xTalk tricks or fancy- 
shmancy

footwork)

I think a good example currently is the XML stack. Anyone who's  
tried to
understand the revXML library is familiar with it. Many of the  
newsletter
articles we've seen over the past few months are candidates. I'm  
curious
about what some other kits might consist of. Email client? Media  
organizer?


What does the community think the topics should be? And is there  
anyone

interested in writing them?


Aren't there already a lot of these out there? I've done several  
myself for my classes. The Online chat tutorials that Jacque  
moderated a few months back have same great tutorial stacks. You're  
right Bill. It ought to be shepherded by runrev and kept in a  
consistently-maintained repository at runrev.com. That's gonna be  
stop 1 for newbies looking for online help with Rev.


Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Memory Leak on export png????

[Richard Gaskin]

Dave wrote:


What suggests this crash is specifically a memory leak?


Just a guess really, I have had this kind of problem when my external  
commands (not being used in this test) had a memory leak and the  
performance went right down and RunRev acted in a similar way.


Not really sure if it is a leak, just seems like the most likely.  
It's interesting that it works on you setup though. What version of  
Mac OS are you using?


Mac OS X 10.4.8, MacBook Pro 2.16GHz Core Duo, 2GB RAM


Richard reports that it works ok on his system, - Richard did you set  
the Fill Color of the Graphic to Green? Actually any color seems to  
cause it.


I just added a line to set the color of the group to a random color -- 
works just as well:


on mouseUp
  local tNum
  local twID
  local tFol
  local tDest

  put the colorNames into tColors  --< NEW

  put 500 into tNum
  put the windowID of this stack into twID
  put "/Users/rg/Desktop/untitled folder/" into tFol
  set the defaultfolder to tFol

  repeat with x = 1 to tNum
if the mouse is down then
  exit to top
end if
put x & ".png" into tDest
put x into fld "counter"
set the backgroundColor of grp 1 to  any line of tColors --< NEW
export snapshot from grp 1 to file tDest as PNG
  end repeat
  answer "Done!"
end mouseUp


Then I added a graphic in case there was something specific to that 
object type, changing the color of the graphic instead of the group. 
Same good result.


--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Media Corporation
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Re: [OFF] Input/Info Requested

[J. Landman Gay]

Bill Marriott wrote:

It's my opinion that we (you can consider that "we" the company, or the 
community, or both) need to develop a ore complete library of self-contained 
"starter" kits for various tasks that Revolution is well-suited for. A kit 
being: narrative; code snippets; sample stacks, etc.


That library should be at runrev.com, and actively maintained. They should 
all


- share the same look-and-feel in stacks
- use consistent style-sheets/templates for documentation
- meet standards of professionalism
- be dead-simple for the newcomer (no weird xTalk tricks or fancy-shmancy 
footwork)


These meet all the above requirements for basic newcomer info:
 http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/>

They are not specifically task-related, though; they are more 
concept-related. They do contain sections for narrative, code snippets, 
and example stacks, all wrapped in a consistent interface. The goal in 
producing these tutorial stacks was to provide a consistent library of 
basic instruction, located on Runtime's site.


I'd be happy to make the template stack accessible to anyone who wants 
to use it for task-specific tutorials. The template stack has already 
been standardized for branding, appearance, and presentation.


--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Unusual Problem

[Charles Szasz]

I am using Rev. 2.7.4 Studio for the Mac with OS 10.4.8.

I set up my printing routine to print three pages that are marked.  
Based on the user's responses, there is an optional fourth page or  
card that can be printed if additional scores are entered by the user  
with the other three pages at the same time. I used the Switch  
command to include the fourth page if there is or is not something to  
be printed. The routine works beautfiul  but here are my two questions:


1. When the printing is completed that has four pages or cards, the  
user is on the fourth screen that has the optional page that was  
printed. The print button is located on the third page where the user  
started the printing. This occurs on both XP and OS X standalones. I  
am using the print card command with Open Printing. Why is the user  
not returned to the third card where the print button is after  
printing is completed?


2. Why are pages that are printed not in collated order?  On both XP  
and OS X, the page are printed with pages numbered page 3, page 1,  
page 2 and page 4 in this order. This occurs in both the IDE and  
standalones. I know I don't give the user to choose collation as an  
option but you would think that the marked pages would be printed in  
the same order (1,2,3) which coincides with the marked order of the  
cards.


These are small quirks but I am curious why this happens?


Charles Szasz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: Duration of non supported applications

[Devin Asay]

On Mar 15, 2007, at 4:23 AM, Signe Marie Sanne wrote:
So far I have used MetaCard and engine 2.6.6. The programs make use  
of a portal stack (thanks to Sivakatirswami) which downloads/opens  
the various educational programs. This downloading is done by http.


Signe,

I'd be interested in hearing more about this. I'm developing a  
similar approach with Rev, which I'm calling the Learning Web. You  
can take a look at it by downloading the beta version at


Mac OS X: http://asay.byu.edu/LW_MacOSX.dmg
Windows: http://asay.byu.edu/LW_setup.exe

A couple of people on the list have allowed me to link to stacks  
they've created as a demonstration of the concept. There are also  
links to a couple of stacks I've created and one that one of my  
students did.


We ought to explore the creation of a repository of web-based  
instructional stacks that could be run in this way.


Tell me what you think.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: [OFF] Input/Info Requested

[Bill Marriott]

> [various comments about the wealth of resources available for Rev newbies]

I do appreciate there's a lot of good stuff out there. As a not-so-newbie I 
still find it bewildering where to look, and the landscape is constantly 
changing. It seems even a mere directory of these is a daunting challenge.

It's my opinion that we (you can consider that "we" the company, or the 
community, or both) need to develop a ore complete library of self-contained 
"starter" kits for various tasks that Revolution is well-suited for. A kit 
being: narrative; code snippets; sample stacks, etc.

That library should be at runrev.com, and actively maintained. They should 
all

- share the same look-and-feel in stacks
- use consistent style-sheets/templates for documentation
- meet standards of professionalism
- be dead-simple for the newcomer (no weird xTalk tricks or fancy-shmancy 
footwork)

I think a good example currently is the XML stack. Anyone who's tried to 
understand the revXML library is familiar with it. Many of the newsletter 
articles we've seen over the past few months are candidates. I'm curious 
about what some other kits might consist of. Email client? Media organizer?

What does the community think the topics should be? And is there anyone 
interested in writing them? 



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Re: Duration of non supported applications

[Devin Asay]

On Mar 16, 2007, at 1:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




I agree with Ken. It would not hurt and would probably help to update
your materials to the newest version of rev. At a minimum, you should
re-build the "portal" standalone with the latest rev engine. In my
view that would help legacy stacks survive longer.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University


Good morning and thanks to both Ken Ray and you for your advice.  
When you say
the latest rev engine, do you mean 2.8? I have only 2.7, if I  
bought 2.8 would I
have to install Vista? What about testing on Window XP then? Can  
both systems be

present at the same time?


I can't answer all your Windows question with authority, but let me  
just point out that if you have Rev 2.7 already, 2.8 is a free  
upgrade, as 2.9 will be.


The comments of others indicate that chances are very high that Rev  
apps and stacks will just work on Vista.


Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Export Snapshot question

[Mark Smith]

Just FYI, PPM is a very simple non-compressed format which can be  
binary ( filesize about that of TIFF) or ASCII text (file size  
several times bigger).


http://netpbm.sourceforge.net/doc/ppm.html

Best,

Mark

On 16 Mar 2007, at 17:43, Dave wrote:




Thanks Scott, this for TV broadcast equipment and 100% cannot have  
any loss of data. For the PNG option I meant what is the Pixel Size  
for the PNG file? 8 Bit, 24 Bit or 32 Bit? The documentation says  
it will output an alpha channel but I not sure how it decides to do  
this?


All the Best
Dave


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Implications of limited writes to flash drives

[Richard Gaskin]

Flash memory has an inherent limitation on the number of reliable write 
operations.  Unfortunately, that number is measured not in millions, but 
in thousands:


  Like all flash memory devices, flash drives can sustain only
  a limited number of write and erase cycles before failure.
  Mid-range flash drives under normal conditions will support
  several hundred thousand cycles, although write operations
  will gradually slow as the device ages. This should be a
  consideration when using a flash drive to run application
  software or an operating system.


The implications for applications are significant, esp. those which 
might seek the user convenience of an auto-save feature.


Have any of you had a flash drive fail on writes?
How serious do you think this limitation is in practical use?

--
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 Managing Editor, revJournal
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Re: Memory Leak on export png????

[Dave]

On 16 Mar 2007, at 18:13, Jim Ault wrote:


On 3/16/07 10:25 AM, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Please take a look at the handler copied below. This is an adaptation
of Ian Wood's "export snapshot.rev" stack that can be downloaded from
Rev Online.



I also tried this without setting the background color and this does
write all 500 files, but RunRev crashes  (unexpectedly quits) doing
something unrelated a short while later. Also when this is running,
the first 50 to 100 files go quite quickly but after that it starts
to slow down.

Has anyone else seen this? I'm running on a Mac Pro, Mac OS 10.4.9
RunRev 2.8.0.350.

I really need to get this to work correctly as I have do another demo
next week and this is 90% of it!
I don't do much of this, but there are a couple bug reports dealing  
with
import, export and images.  You might check this out before  
building too

much on something that is not fixed yet.

The slow down part is probably related to the Mac Finder and the HD  
maint.

I see the same type of  speed change writing text files on WinXP.

You might see if
-- adding a slight wait of 30 milliseconds helps Rev
-- exporting from a substack that you close out of Rev memory and  
thus maybe
purge a dangling heap address in the subStack (possible cause of a  
crash)


--re-think the demo as a beta that runs slower
--run as a slower-timed background process

--does the crash occur if tested by exporting to a single variable
repeatedly, thus not dealing with the hard drive file writing

Of course, there may be a more robust way of doing this with an  
AppleScript

app as an agent.

Hope this helps


Thanks Jim, I am doing some playing around now. I'm sure one of your  
suggestions will help.


Have a Great Weekend.
All the Best
Dave





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Re: [OFF] Input/Info Requested

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Hi Marielle,

A few weeks back I broached that very issue. Or, maybe, even more  
ambitiously, about the total scope of available resources for RunRev.  
It had become pretty obvious to me that there are just tons and tons  
of materials, suggestions, approaches, et. out there, but the newbie  
to Rev has got to be bewildered. When I was working heavily with  
FutureBasic, I was pushing for the design of a few really good  
templates to be used by newbies of FB a starting point. We even did a  
few; and, except for its Mac only capabilities, FB is the best,  
fastest and easiest there is. Lots of it are in assembly language,  
and like this list, the FB lists are impressive, though not as  
"hurried".


Were it not for the fact that I am now simply swamped with  
architectural commitments, I thoroughly intended to pursue the  
template concept of Macinstruct.com;but it turns out that I'm  
actually having to take an hiatus from my column on Revolution there;  
perhaps for as long as a couple of months. Frankly, templates make  
less sense with Rev, because the interface design is so simple to  
begin with; meaning that an evaluation of the available resource when  
pursuing a specific type of design, plus a heads up with respect to  
the potential gotchas, is probably a better approach. Break down the  
kinds of things that might be attempted by someone, and they outline  
an approach that they might use to achieve those ends. I don't think  
there is a lot of new ground that would have to be broken, just  
guidance as to where to look for an specific challenge; since you can  
spend a lifetime reading all the stuff that is available, but not  
really find the things that a person might need at the time. I'm just  
running off at the mouth, so excuse me. I know you understand,  
probably far better than I do.


With FB, I tried to recruit a team to work with me on the "template"  
approach, and got a few takers, but ended up doing most of it myself.  
I assume it would be the same here, and I don't currently have the  
free time to take somethng like this on. Much as I would love the  
challenge.


Joe Wilkins


On Mar 16, 2007, at 10:33 AM, Marielle Lange wrote:


One thought bringing another.

Various persons have complained about the absence of good resources  
for newbies... well, all tools are there to create these resources.  
If on wikibooks, anybody has the opportunity to correct anything at  
anytime.


Joe, any way some of the material you wrote at:


Or Devin, the excellent material at:



Could be used to create a revolution programming textbook on  
wikibooks:





Any other material out there we may have the right to re-use if we  
were to start a few pages on revolution programming there?


Best regards,
Marielle


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Re: Duration of non supported applications

[Bill Marriott]

David,

> 1) Redevelop the software using standard web technology for which there 
> are
> many developers available.
> 2) Buy a commercial package
> 3) Adopt a mixed open source strategy

Unfortunately I cannot agree with you on *ANY* of these recommendations.

There's no guarantee (and I would argue, little potential) that these paths 
are going to ensure better long-term survivability than a Rev-based 
application that is running just fine on Windows Vista and Mac OS X today.

Regarding #1)

- So-called "standard web technology" is a moving target, faster-moving even 
than operating systems.
- It's a lot of development work and testing to get something approaching 
interactive multimedia on all major browser platforms today.
- When you do so, you're still relying on underlying multimedia libraries
- Revolution out-of-the-box provides superior capabilities for the end-user 
experience.

Regarding #2)

- There's very likely no such animal as an existing off-the-shelf product 
that does exactly what the existing solution does.
- Shoe-horning the solution into a product that might be "close enough" is 
simply trading one set of problems for another.
- Commercial products ain't free

Regarding #3)
- This is typical pie-in-the-sky "open source solves everything" wishful 
thinking and hand-waving
- Most of the issues that pertain to #2 and #3 apply here
- Anyone who's worked with open source knows it has its own bugs, issues and 
traps

Now, at BEST what you are saying is that you should spend significant 
time/effort/money NOW to solve a problem that may not occur for several 
years, if at all. Why? For all we know, the solution works fine as-is on 
current operating systems. If for some reason it doesn't (I suppose Vista is 
the most vulnerable) then, just grab Revolution 2.8 and re-save the 
standalone. Voila, you've just added 5 to 10 years of compatibility.

At WORST you are saying you should throw out perfectly good work for dubious 
returns with little guarantee that the end result will have the same 
functions and user experience... "just because."

Vista just came out "yesterday" and Intel-based Macs are not that much 
older. Do you really think a new generation of operating systems is going to 
be released imminently -- OSes that will somehow by default and unavoidably 
break hundreds of existing applications? And that large organizations are 
going to adopt that new paradigm, replace their hardware, and sacrifice 
their software infrastructure ... overnight?

Now a meta-comment:

If you really believe this, why the heck are you using Rev at all? These 
arguments could be used against any desktop application built with Rev, and 
undermine anyone trying to sell software based on the Rev platform.

For what it's worth, when I was testing Windows Vista I ran a standalone I 
created in July 2003 with Rev without recompiling. It worked just great. Of 
course I wasn't doing tricky stuff like registry edits but then again, how 
many standalones do that, and what is the chance an educational solution 
does so?

The truth is, Rev is the one development platform that "just works" across a 
vast array of operating systems and versions. You can run it on Windows 98. 
You can run it on Mac OS X 10.4.9. Yeah, I know there are glitches here and 
there, and you have to use 2.6.1 for Linux and Mac Classic (that will 
change). But understand that it DOES work and is remarkably robust. I'm not 
sure if MetaCard was available in 1997, but for all intents and purposes, 
those stacks still work fine a DECADE later, on both Windows 98 and Vista.

As for "resources" there are thousands of users of Rev, more each day, and 
I'm sure any of them would appreciate a referral for consulting should that 
dark day arrive when the apps finally, really do have to be updated or 
replaced. THAT is the time to worry about putting the train on different 
tracks... not today. (The Aztecs seem to think it's all over in 2012. 
Whatever comes first -- Rev apps breaking or the end of the world.)

I think for all practical purposes the answer to the original poster is: 
Find a Vista machine and try your stuff out. If for some reason it doesn't 
work, try re-building the standalone with Rev 2.8. It will undoubtedly work 
great and continue to do so for the forseeable future.

I'f I'm somehow misunderstanding you, please help clarify.

- Bill 



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Anyone see this same ?bug?

[Jim Ault]

Seems to be a bug, or just an inconsistency.  Am I missing something about
Rev?

Error =   if: missing 'then'

  if "Version Alpha" is among the lines of the cardnames then
answer "This has already been linked to a card"
exit to top
 end if

This version works by adding parens

  if "Version Alpha" is among the lines of (the cardnames) then
answer "This has already been linked to a card"
exit to top
 end if

Mac OSX 10.4.7, Rev 2.7.2  IDEnvironment

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: Memory Leak on export png????

[Dave]

On 16 Mar 2007, at 18:02, Ian Wood wrote:



On 16 Mar 2007, at 17:25, Dave wrote:


Hi All,

Please take a look at the handler copied below. This is an  
adaptation of Ian Wood's "export snapshot.rev" stack that can be  
downloaded from Rev Online.


Oops.

What I *hadn't* said about the stack is that it was put together as  
part of a bug-hunting exercise which I haven't yet reported on  
Bugzilla. :-(


Export snapshot appears not to release RAM once it has been used an  
unknown number of times. BUT - it's only in the IDE as standalones  
are fine. This is with 10.4.8, Rev 2.7.4 & 2.8.0.


How did I find this out? Running a soak test on my QTVR to video  
app, only to come back later and find that a G5 with 4GB RAM was  
running out of memory...


Ok, thanks for this. I only have 2GB of RAM so it hits the problem  
sooner.


Richard reports that it works ok on his system, - Richard did you set  
the Fill Color of the Graphic to Green? Actually any color seems to  
cause it.


All the Best
Dave


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Re: Memory Leak on export png????

[Dave]

On 16 Mar 2007, at 17:59, Richard Gaskin wrote:



I simplified the script to make it easier to set up here, and since  
you're using v2.8 I removed the portion for earlier versions:


on mouseUp
  local tNum
  local twID
  local tFol
  local tDest

  put 500 into tNum
  put the windowID of this stack into twID
  put "/Users/rg/Desktop/untitled folder/" into tFol
  set the defaultfolder to tFol

  repeat with x = 1 to tNum
if the mouse is down then
  exit to top
end if
put x & ".png" into tDest
put x into fld "counter"
export snapshot from grp 1 to file tDest as PNG
  end repeat
  answer "Done!"
end mouseUp

Running this script twice in both MC and Rev completed without  
error, and afterwards the memory allocation for each was roughly  
the same as before.


What suggests this crash is specifically a memory leak?


Hi,

Just a guess really, I have had this kind of problem when my external  
commands (not being used in this test) had a memory leak and the  
performance went right down and RunRev acted in a similar way.


Not really sure if it is a leak, just seems like the most likely.  
It's interesting that it works on you setup though. What version of  
Mac OS are you using?


All the Best
Dave








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RE: Bkgnd process that returns immediately

[xavier . bury]

Hi Mark,

actually neither of those will do anything... you forgot to put in a 
command between start and the '>' redirect command...


for example:
(diruse gets you the size of a folder for example)

get shell("diruse /m" && thisshare & "findstr /i sub-total")  -- retrieves 
the size of a share on a server which can take lots of time!

works but blocks ya waiting for an answer...

so what you should do is 

put "diruse /m,* \\buffet\mysharename > 
\\buffet\spacelogs$\diruse\bufduser20061127.log" into mycommand
get  "start cmd /c"  && quote & mycommand & quote
get shell(it) 

this will do what you want!

as simple and stupid as you think DOS can be, there's always more to learn 
and remember which may not always be so intuitive!!

cheers
Xavier

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 16/03/2007 16:52:36:

> > Xavier wrote:
> > I just dont use the ampersand and it works like a charm...
> 
> Which one of the literal examples works for you?
> 
>   get shell("start > C:\blah.html")
>   get shell("start > C:\shellTemp.txt")
> 
> If the second, then what is in the targeted file?
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Re: Memory Leak on export png????

[Jim Ault]

On 3/16/07 10:25 AM, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Please take a look at the handler copied below. This is an adaptation
> of Ian Wood's "export snapshot.rev" stack that can be downloaded from
> Rev Online.

> I also tried this without setting the background color and this does
> write all 500 files, but RunRev crashes  (unexpectedly quits) doing
> something unrelated a short while later. Also when this is running,
> the first 50 to 100 files go quite quickly but after that it starts
> to slow down.
> 
> Has anyone else seen this? I'm running on a Mac Pro, Mac OS 10.4.9
> RunRev 2.8.0.350.
> 
> I really need to get this to work correctly as I have do another demo
> next week and this is 90% of it!
I don't do much of this, but there are a couple bug reports dealing with
import, export and images.  You might check this out before building too
much on something that is not fixed yet.

The slow down part is probably related to the Mac Finder and the HD maint.
I see the same type of  speed change writing text files on WinXP.

You might see if 
-- adding a slight wait of 30 milliseconds helps Rev
-- exporting from a substack that you close out of Rev memory and thus maybe
purge a dangling heap address in the subStack (possible cause of a crash)

--re-think the demo as a beta that runs slower
--run as a slower-timed background process

--does the crash occur if tested by exporting to a single variable
repeatedly, thus not dealing with the hard drive file writing

Of course, there may be a more robust way of doing this with an AppleScript
app as an agent.

Hope this helps

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: [OFF] Input/Info Requested

[Marielle Lange]

Marielle Lange wrote:
Any other material out there we may have the right to re-use if  
we  were to start a few pages on revolution programming there?


I'm not sure it's necessary to replicate content, but you're  
welcome to link to any of the fine articles community members have  
contributed to revJournal over the years:





Thanks for this, Richard. I am against replication as well... more  
trying to find a way to integrate all different resources into one  
good manual ;-).


Marielle


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Re: Memory Leak on export png????

[Ian Wood]

On 16 Mar 2007, at 17:25, Dave wrote:


Hi All,

Please take a look at the handler copied below. This is an  
adaptation of Ian Wood's "export snapshot.rev" stack that can be  
downloaded from Rev Online.


Oops.

What I *hadn't* said about the stack is that it was put together as  
part of a bug-hunting exercise which I haven't yet reported on  
Bugzilla. :-(


Export snapshot appears not to release RAM once it has been used an  
unknown number of times. BUT - it's only in the IDE as standalones  
are fine. This is with 10.4.8, Rev 2.7.4 & 2.8.0.


How did I find this out? Running a soak test on my QTVR to video app,  
only to come back later and find that a G5 with 4GB RAM was running  
out of memory...


Ian
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Re: Memory Leak on export png????

[Richard Gaskin]

Dave wrote:
Please take a look at the handler copied below. This is an adaptation  
of Ian Wood's "export snapshot.rev" stack that can be downloaded from  
Rev Online.


I have changed in to use .png files instead of JPEG file, changed the  
counter rectangle graphic object to have an all green background (RGB  
= 0,255,0), I then select 500 iterations and press the "export from  
snapshot from object" button, this writes 288 files and then gives an  
execution error:


"export can't write to file, mask file or container  289.png"

  export snapshot from grp "counter" to file tDest as PNG

I also tried this without setting the background color and this does  
write all 500 files, but RunRev crashes  (unexpectedly quits) doing  
something unrelated a short while later. Also when this is running,  
the first 50 to 100 files go quite quickly but after that it starts  
to slow down.


Has anyone else seen this? I'm running on a Mac Pro, Mac OS 10.4.9  
RunRev 2.8.0.350.


I simplified the script to make it easier to set up here, and since 
you're using v2.8 I removed the portion for earlier versions:



on mouseUp
  local tNum
  local twID
  local tFol
  local tDest

  put 500 into tNum
  put the windowID of this stack into twID
  put "/Users/rg/Desktop/untitled folder/" into tFol
  set the defaultfolder to tFol

  repeat with x = 1 to tNum
if the mouse is down then
  exit to top
end if
put x & ".png" into tDest
put x into fld "counter"
export snapshot from grp 1 to file tDest as PNG
  end repeat
  answer "Done!"
end mouseUp

Running this script twice in both MC and Rev completed without error, 
and afterwards the memory allocation for each was roughly the same as 
before.


What suggests this crash is specifically a memory leak?

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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

[Bob Warren]

Don wrote:

If he is opening the ps file in a text editor, he might want to check what 
text encoding the editor is using. He probably needs it to be set to 
WindowsLatin1 or Western European 8859-1 or Western European 1250. These all 
seem to work for me, but his system and printer may be different.



Before copying the Portuguese text from the Ubuntu Text Editor into the field of the Rev 
stack, I have tried altering the "Set Language" option (Text Editor) by 
changing from English (American) to Portuguese (Brazilian). The appearance of the text in 
the Rev field is exactly the same, and it still fails to produce a correct PS file.

---

Bob,
Send the file directly to me, but if you can, zip it first to prevent any 
encoding changes by the email program.


As I told Jacqueline, I'm not an expert, but I have had some success. Fonts 
are definitely the hardest part.



DONE. Thanks very much for your interest, Don.

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Re: [OFF] Input/Info Requested

[Richard Gaskin]

Marielle Lange wrote:
Any other material out there we may have the right to re-use if we  
were to start a few pages on revolution programming there?


I'm not sure it's necessary to replicate content, but you're welcome to 
link to any of the fine articles community members have contributed to 
revJournal over the years:




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Re: Export Snapshot question

[Dave]

On 16 Mar 2007, at 17:12, Scott Rossi wrote:


Recently, Dave wrote:


I need to export a snapshot in a non-compressed format, from looking
at the documentation I can export in the following formats:

JPEG
GIF
PNG
PBM
PGM
PPM

JPEG is no good for what I want since it is lossy. GIF is no good
because it only supports 8 bit color and I need 24 bit (if not 32 bit
with Alpha Channel) I'm not sure what PBM, PGM or PPM are?


I believe these are formats for Unix but someone else may know better.


Which
leaves PNG which uses lossless compression, however what are the
defaults for the image? (Pixel Size, Component Size etc.).


Not sure what you mean by 'defaults' but if you have a 400 x 300  
image, it

will export with those dimensions at (I believe) the native display
resolution.  I don't believe there are any configurable settings  
for PNG.


Also, you may not want to rule out JPEG.  Depending on what your  
app does, a
JPEG image with minimum compression (JPEGQuality = 100) should have  
very
minimal loss.  If you need alpha channel support, however, PNG is  
your only

option.

Regards,


Thanks Scott, this for TV broadcast equipment and 100% cannot have  
any loss of data. For the PNG option I meant what is the Pixel Size  
for the PNG file? 8 Bit, 24 Bit or 32 Bit? The documentation says it  
will output an alpha channel but I not sure how it decides to do this?


All the Best
Dave


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image resize syntax in rev 2.8

[Viktoras Didziulis]

Hi, 
 
Somehow I am not able to find description of image resize function in
dictionary of revstudio 2.8. I think it is implemented in rev 2.8 (quite
recently have seen it advertised somewhere, just can't remember where..),
but can't find any usage instructions... Would be much grateful for any hint
on syntax of this function. 
 
All the best! 
Viktoras
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Re: [OFF] Input/Info Requested

[Marielle Lange]

One thought bringing another.

Various persons have complained about the absence of good resources  
for newbies... well, all tools are there to create these resources.  
If on wikibooks, anybody has the opportunity to correct anything at  
anytime.


Joe, any way some of the material you wrote at:


Or Devin, the excellent material at:



Could be used to create a revolution programming textbook on wikibooks:




Any other material out there we may have the right to re-use if we  
were to start a few pages on revolution programming there?


Best regards,
Marielle


Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education





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Re: Linux questions for Jacque

[Bob Warren]

Phil Davis wrote:

I haven't been following this thread very closely, but I've used the htmlText to 
correctly display Arabic (after reversing the order of the entities). There's 
more to it than that, but... If you can manage the display of Arabic using the 
htmlText field property, maybe something similar could work for Japanese.


Food for thought...

---
I've also tried mucking around with htmlText myself in an attempt to find a 
workaround (in Portuguese that is). No luck so far.

Bob 


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Memory Leak on export png????

[Dave]

Hi All,

Please take a look at the handler copied below. This is an adaptation  
of Ian Wood's "export snapshot.rev" stack that can be downloaded from  
Rev Online.


I have changed in to use .png files instead of JPEG file, changed the  
counter rectangle graphic object to have an all green background (RGB  
= 0,255,0), I then select 500 iterations and press the "export from  
snapshot from object" button, this writes 288 files and then gives an  
execution error:


"export can't write to file, mask file or container  289.png"

 export snapshot from grp "counter" to file tDest as PNG

I also tried this without setting the background color and this does  
write all 500 files, but RunRev crashes  (unexpectedly quits) doing  
something unrelated a short while later. Also when this is running,  
the first 50 to 100 files go quite quickly but after that it starts  
to slow down.


Has anyone else seen this? I'm running on a Mac Pro, Mac OS 10.4.9  
RunRev 2.8.0.350.


I really need to get this to work correctly as I have do another demo  
next week and this is 90% of it!


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


on doExport tType
  local tNum
  local twID
  local tFol
  local tDest

  put text of fld "number" into tNum
  put the windowID of this stack into twID
  put text of fld "export folder" into tFol
  if there is not a folder tFol then
answer "Export folder not found!"
exit to top
  end if
  set the defaultfolder to tFol

  repeat with x = 1 to tNum
if the mouse is down then
  exit to top
end if
put x & ".png" into tDest

--> do all your animation etc. here
put x into fld "counter" of grp "counter"

--> now export the file
--> if using rev 2.7 and above you can use the 'object' syntax  
where the image will not be affected by other objects or windows on  
top of the object

if tType is "object" then
  export snapshot from grp "counter" to file tDest as PNG
end if

--> If using Rev 2.6 or below, you will have to do use the older  
syntax and makes sure this is the frontmost window!

if tType is "area" then
  export snapshot from rect (rect of grp "counter") of window  
twID to file tDest as PNG

end if
  end repeat
  answer "Done!"
end doExport

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Re: Export Snapshot question

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Dave wrote:

> I need to export a snapshot in a non-compressed format, from looking
> at the documentation I can export in the following formats:
> 
> JPEG
> GIF
> PNG
> PBM
> PGM
> PPM
> 
> JPEG is no good for what I want since it is lossy. GIF is no good
> because it only supports 8 bit color and I need 24 bit (if not 32 bit
> with Alpha Channel) I'm not sure what PBM, PGM or PPM are?

I believe these are formats for Unix but someone else may know better.

> Which  
> leaves PNG which uses lossless compression, however what are the
> defaults for the image? (Pixel Size, Component Size etc.).

Not sure what you mean by 'defaults' but if you have a 400 x 300 image, it
will export with those dimensions at (I believe) the native display
resolution.  I don't believe there are any configurable settings for PNG.

Also, you may not want to rule out JPEG.  Depending on what your app does, a
JPEG image with minimum compression (JPEGQuality = 100) should have very
minimal loss.  If you need alpha channel support, however, PNG is your only
option.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: Linux questions for Jacque

[Bob Warren]

Jacque:

I'll try the experiment you suggest, but I think your last suggestion is 
probably the best one. I'll do it over the weekend if I can. And don't 
forget that I said I couldn't even TYPE accented characters correctly 
into a field. That applies not only on my own computer where Ubuntu is 
installed in English and I need a special key-sequence for the accented 
chars on my American International Keyboard, it also applies to my 
wife's machine where she has Ubuntu installed in Portuguese and she uses 
an ABNT keyboard.


Whatever is wrong with Rev/Linux 2.6.1 in this respect won't of course 
get fixed, but it would be a good idea to try and make sure as far as 
possible that none of this difficulty appears in the next release.


When I send Technical Support a copy of my test program, if you REALLY 
wanted to, i.e. you are dying of curiosity,  you could see what I am 
talking about yourself simply by copying Rev/Linux and my example 
project to the Desktop of a running Ubuntu Live CD. It's as simple as 
that: no installation of Linux or Rev is necessary. Just a thought...


[I'd just like to see someone do that with Windows!!!]

Bob

Bob Warren wrote:


 put the length of field "test" >> 290
> put the textfont of char 1 to 290 of field "test" >> EMPTY!!
> put the textfont of char 2 to 3 of field "test" >> EMPTY
> 
> Aha!
  

Jacque wrote:

Actually, this is probably correct. Fields can have a textfont property 
independent of the text chunks inside it. That allows you to have a 
field's textfont set to Courier and a text chunk in the same field set 
to something else. If you haven't specifically set the textfont of char 
1 to 290, then it will be empty and instead it will inherit the field's 
font.


What this tells me though is that it is most likely not a unicode issue. 
I was wondering if your problem might be related to the printing failure 
of Japanese fonts that popped up in another thread. Guess not.


One more thing to try: instead of pasting the accented characters from 
another app, try putting them in using numToChar(). Your fonts may 
differ from the ones I have on my Mac, but in Courier, for example, the 
two accented "e"s are numToChar(142) and numToChar(143). I could insert 
these into a field without pasting by saying:


  put numToChar(143) into char 1 of fld 1

I wonder if doing it this way would produce characters that Rev can 
print. Maybe there is something about pasting from another program that 
is making a difference.


If that doesn't work, then a short, 1-card stack with a sample field 
that fails to print would be a good thing to submit to the QC Center. It 
should print, RR has verified that, so if it doesn't it needs fixing.




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Re: [OFF] Input/Info Requested

[Bill Marriott]

Oh, and add to the list, RealBASIC and Director

"Bill Marriott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm helping to prepare some data sheets for RunRev on the topics of 
> FileMaker, SuperCard, and Visual Basic. Basically, trying to understand 
> how Revolution compares with those products in real-world usage. The 
> result would be some narrative, concrete examples, and a comparison chart 
> for each.
>
> If you have knowledge using these other products I would very much 
> appreciate talking with you about your experiences and in which situations 
> you would use either Rev or the other product. Please contact me off-list 
> at:
>
> bill.marriott(at)runrev.com
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> - Bill



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Export Snapshot question

[Dave]

Hi,

I need to export a snapshot in a non-compressed format, from looking  
at the documentation I can export in the following formats:


JPEG
GIF
PNG
PBM
PGM
PPM

JPEG is no good for what I want since it is lossy. GIF is no good  
because it only supports 8 bit color and I need 24 bit (if not 32 bit  
with Alpha Channel) I'm not sure what PBM, PGM or PPM are? Which  
leaves PNG which uses lossless compression, however what are the  
defaults for the image? (Pixel Size, Component Size etc.). Also, is  
there a way to specify the settings?


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

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Re: Duration of non supported applications

[David Bovill]

Signe - while I'd agree with the purely technical advice given, I'd have to
be frank and say that I would never advise the University to do this. It
would be a waisted effort in my opinion for you or the university to spend
any further resources on software that neither has an internal developer
available or proper external support. They have in my opinion three options:

1) Redevelop the software using standard web technology for which there are
many developers available.
2) Buy a commercial package
3) Adopt a mixed open source strategy

The first 2 will involve a significant up front cost, and most likely result
in limited (perhaps severely limited) functionality compared with a RunRev
approach, but will work out in the longer run. Either of these are the "safe
bet".

The last approach means a painstaking and somewhat risky attempt to share
development resources with other similar institutions and members of this
community (you mentioned Sivakatirswami). Unfortunately the present
community is not set up to develop open source projects where there is not a
strong vested interest (the Metacard IDE). This will I believe and hope will
change for the better in the near future. It has the advantage of costing
only time - but that is a cost. It also has no guarantee of success, but
putting more time into upgrading RunRev based software - without the
likelihood of gaining another dedicated developer is not going to work
either.

If you think you would like to explore the latter (3), my guess is you may
get a few people on this list interested enough to look at how we could host
and develop shared code for use in Educational environments (you can include
me) - if there is a will within the University and it matches a similar need
outside - then you have an open source project. That backed with a little
petty cash to pay developers (not me :) from this list and your in business.
If not I'd advise against using Rev and go for 1) or 2).

Hope that doesn't put a downer on things.

On 16/03/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> I agree with Ken. It would not hurt and would probably help to update
> your materials to the newest version of rev. At a minimum, you should
> re-build the "portal" standalone with the latest rev engine. In my
> view that would help legacy stacks survive longer.
>
> Devin
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University

Good morning and thanks to both Ken Ray and you for your advice. When you
say
the latest rev engine, do you mean 2.8? I have only 2.7, if I bought 2.8would I
have to install Vista? What about testing on Window XP then? Can both
systems be
present at the same time?

Signe Marie
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RE: Bkgnd process that returns immediately

[Mark Powell]

> Xavier wrote:
> I just dont use the ampersand and it works like a charm...

Which one of the literal examples works for you?

  get shell("start > C:\blah.html")
  get shell("start > C:\shellTemp.txt")

If the second, then what is in the targeted file?

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altBrowser: copy and paste does not work on OSX !

[David Bovill]

Thanks - good to know. And better to know it works on Windows :)

On 14/03/07, Terry Judd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> From: David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution 
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:43:23 +0100
> To: How to use Revolution 
> Subject: OSX - copy and paste in altBrowser?
>
> I still cannot figure out how to get copy and paste work between RunRev
and
> altBrowser?
>
> Is this not possible? Or is it a case of being an OSX focus issue, whcih
can
> be got round with some scripting? I'd like to be able to transfer text
> generated in RunRev or copied from another application to a form shown
in an
> altBrowser window. No go or am I missing something?

David - looks to me like this just doesn't work on OSX (works just fine
under Windows). You might be able to come up with some sort of horrible
hack
that involves one or other of the altBrowser callbacks (e.g.
XBrowser_click
elementID,browserID) and setting the htmlText of the browser directly but
it
won't be much fun to either implement or use.

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Regards,

Terry...

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Re: Thank for suggest to build website by runrev.

[Richard Gaskin]

Bill Marriott wrote:
Also, just because it can be used as a CGI doesn't mean this is the only way 
to use Rev to build a website. You can write a desktop-based content 
management system in Rev that uploads static HTML files via FTP, for 
example. And many other possibilities.


Indeed:




:)

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Re: Bkgnd process that returns immediately

[xavier . bury]

Hi Mark,

I just dont use the ampersand and it works like a charm...

cheers
-=-
Xavier

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 16/03/2007 13:21:54:

> A 2005 thread (from Brian, Xavier, Chipp, et. al) talked about
> re-direction to achieve a non-blocking shell call, using 
> 
>  get shell("mycommand > mylogfile.log &")
> 
> My brain cannot get this to work.  Let's say I want Rev to start
> "C:\blah.html" using shell(), and then continue executing downstream Rev
> handlers.  I've tried variations of
> 
>  get shell("start > C:\blah.html &")
> 
> and
> 
>  get shell("start > C:\shellTemp.txt &")
> 
>   where shellTemp.text contains 
>C:\blah.html
>   among other variations
> 
> but nothing works.  The following 
> 
>   get shell("start C:\blah.html &")
> 
> does work, but it is blocking.
> 
> I understand the ampersand performs a handoff but am ignorant of the
> overall sequence of events.  What am I doing wrong? 
> 
> Mark
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Bkgnd process that returns immediately

[Mark Powell]

A 2005 thread (from Brian, Xavier, Chipp, et. al) talked about
re-direction to achieve a non-blocking shell call, using 

 get shell("mycommand > mylogfile.log &")

My brain cannot get this to work.  Let's say I want Rev to start
"C:\blah.html" using shell(), and then continue executing downstream Rev
handlers.  I've tried variations of

 get shell("start > C:\blah.html &")

and

 get shell("start > C:\shellTemp.txt &")

  where shellTemp.text contains 
   C:\blah.html
  among other variations

but nothing works.  The following 

  get shell("start C:\blah.html &")

does work, but it is blocking.

I understand the ampersand performs a handoff but am ignorant of the
overall sequence of events.  What am I doing wrong?  

Mark

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Re: Duration of non supported applications

[Klaus Major]

Hello Signe Marie,




I agree with Ken. It would not hurt and would probably help to update
your materials to the newest version of rev. At a minimum, you should
re-build the "portal" standalone with the latest rev engine. In my
view that would help legacy stacks survive longer.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University


Good morning and thanks to both Ken Ray and you for your advice.  
When you say
the latest rev engine, do you mean 2.8? I have only 2.7, if I  
bought 2.8 would I
have to install Vista? What about testing on Window XP then? Can  
both systems be

present at the same time?


No no, you don't have to install VISTA to use 2.8, have mercy :-D

2.8 is the latest Rev (or MC engine) release and is now compatible  
with Windows VISTA, that's all.



Signe Marie


Regards

Klaus Major
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Re: Printing and previewing

[Klaus Major]

Hi Martin

When you say invisible do you mean you can see the image by using  
'show image'?


"invisible" means "invisible", since that was in YOUR code:

...
create invisible image imgname in group "Pages" of stack  
"PrintPreview"

export snapshot from rect trect of window tWinID to pictvar as JPEG
put pictvar into image imgname of stack "PrintPreview"

...


There could be platform / rev version differences at play.


"invisible" is in fact crossversion and crossplatform ;-)


Regards

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[OFF] Input/Info Requested

[Bill Marriott]

Hi everyone,

I'm helping to prepare some data sheets for RunRev on the topics of 
FileMaker, SuperCard, and Visual Basic. Basically, trying to understand how 
Revolution compares with those products in real-world usage. The result 
would be some narrative, concrete examples, and a comparison chart for each.

If you have knowledge using these other products I would very much 
appreciate talking with you about your experiences and in which situations 
you would use either Rev or the other product. Please contact me off-list 
at:

bill.marriott(at)runrev.com

Thanks in advance!

- Bill 



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