Re: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
Devin, In theory I approve. However (1) we have been asking for this for more than 3 years and this hasn't happened and (2) Revolution never shows himself keen on a structure where contributions can easily be made. The scripting conference success was to a huge extent thanks to the work, time, dedication that Jacque did put into that. Apart for Bill (the resident bug chaser) and Lynn (the principal revdeveloper editor), I don't see much evidence of this. On the revdeveloper wiki, there is now a copy of the Revolution user guide. http://www.revdeveloper.com/include/wiki/rev/doku.php? id=en:documentation:revolutionuserguide:revolutionuserguide There is also some text according to which : The wiki version of the Revolution User’s Guide will differ from the printed documentation. The wiki will include additional headings and a Wiki Notes footer at the bottom of each page. This will include any important notes from the wiki editor. The wiki version may also contain user supplied notes, comments and addendums. These may be incorporated into the printed guide at some time in the future. [funny, in my latin classes, I learned that the plural of addendum was addenda... however http://www.guardian.co.uk/styleguide/page/0,,184844,00.html proposes addendums as the form to adopt... though the addenda form obviously exists http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/addenda] But I have been discussing off list months ago, to ask and how things could be set to make it possible for members of the community to make contributions. Though I have been told that there was interest in this on runrev side, no progress whatsoever has been made. As I said. That's 3 years that this request has been made. In terms of time available on runrev side, I don't see anybody who can take responsibility for this. Unless Bill comes up with a description of a structure that makes it realistic for things to start to happen, a wikibook seems the best way to go. You may enjoy the reading of this excellent article How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Relinquish Control http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000501.php Control = nothing ever happens. I don't mind it being on a runrev website, but provided that's in a zone where users have some ability to change and update the content... eventually via some edition process by which the changes are not shown to the public before the content has been approved by an editor in charge. Best, Marielle On 16 Mar 2007, at 21:00, Devin Asay wrote: You're right Bill. It ought to be shepherded by runrev and kept in a consistently-maintained repository at runrev.com. That's gonna be stop 1 for newbies looking for online help with Rev. Devin ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
Hi Joe, A few weeks back I broached that very issue. Or, maybe, even more ambitiously, about the total scope of available resources for RunRev. Can you point me to this post... I am afraid, I don't find the time to read each single post on this list. It had become pretty obvious to me that there are just tons and tons of materials, suggestions, approaches, et. out there, but the newbie to Rev has got to be bewildered. I do my best to provide such a list at: http://revolution.widged.com/wiki/tiki-index.php? page=RevolutionWebsites http://revolution.widged.com/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=TutorialsExample http://revolution.widged.com/wiki/tiki-index.php? page=RevolutionSnippetStacks there is dmoz directory, where persons can add mention of their website http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/ Richard has a similar list: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/links.html And oh, as pointed by mblackman on the forums: There is a good list of sites in the documentation but it doesn't pop out at you. Go to documentation, click on the Search button at the right hand side, in the window that pops up click on 'web database' which pops up a menu, choose 'Go to' and presto there's a list. Maybe they should make this easier to find ! Then the problem I experienced is that if a link gets outdated, they don't get changed. I signaled that the lexicall.org link was not valid a while ago (replaced by widged.com about a year ago). I was told that the change would take place in the next version. The next version comes. No change. I don't mind the place where this information appears being revolution. What I do mind however is that this is a place where information can be kept up to date, with the responsibility for this being shared by various persons rather than it being a single person effort. When I was working heavily with FutureBasic, I was pushing for the design of a few really good templates to be used by newbies of FB a starting point. We even did a few; and, except for its Mac only capabilities, FB is the best, fastest and easiest there is. Lots of it are in assembly language, and like this list, the FB lists are impressive, though not as hurried. You see, the big problem is that I am about to reply to this post on the forums http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=650 Help! I've built an application in Enterprise (2.7.1 build 236) booting up in OSX on an external drive - everything is fine, including the custom Image Library I created to hold about thirty icons used by my application's buttons. I have already replied to this type of question 3-5 times over the past 2 years. That's really a classical one. meaning that an evaluation of the available resource when pursuing a specific type of design, plus a heads up with respect to the potential gotchas, is probably a better approach. Break down the kinds of things that might be attempted by someone, and they outline an approach that they might use to achieve those ends. I don't think there is a lot of new ground that would have to be broken, just guidance as to where to look for an specific challenge; since you can spend a lifetime reading all the stuff that is available, but not really find the things that a person might need at the time. I'm just running off at the mouth, so excuse me. I know you understand, probably far better than I do. That was expressed far better than I would have been able to ;-). Various things I was thinking about : - 1. Book formats - Wicked cool? Demo chapter for Wicked java http://assets.devx.com/download/17813.pdf Wicked cool shell scripts http://www.intuitive.com/wicked/ Wicked cool perl scripts http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/1593270623/ Phrase Book? PHP Phrasebook (Sample Chapters) http://www.samspublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=417718rl=1 Hacks? PHP Hacks (Sample Hacks) http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/phphks/chapter/index.html - 2. Design Patterns - Design Patterns / Interface Design? Ajax Design Patterns (Sample chapter, pdf) http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/ajaxdp/chapter/ch10.pdf Designing Interfaces http://designinginterfaces.com/ - 3. Benchmarking data - See this forum post by Richard, http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=571start=15 as an excellent example. I'm actually having to take an hiatus from my column on Revolution there; perhaps for as long as a couple of months. That's the same for me. I can contribute time and effort. However, I cannot do that continuously over a year period. Hence the idea of going for a structure which allows for different persons to take responsibility for this. With FB, I tried to recruit a team to work with me on the template approach, and got a few takers, but ended up doing most of it
Re: OT Adobe Serial/Ethical Question
On 3/17/07, Mark Swindell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ethics and logistics question: I just bought a used iMac with GoLive CS installed on it. It didn't come with the install disks, but the program is authorized for the computer. I'm wondering if I technically have the right to use it? I'll save myself the need to answer the logistics question by saying No to the ethics question. Really this is how the pirate industry works. Buy one legal copy and distribute it on everything they make. This video is old, but little has changed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_4IERiD0rc I'm not saying that the person who sold you the computer was intentionally pirating software. I'd say your choice is simple, contact the seller and ask them for the original GoLive install discs. If they indicate that they are still using the program then it's pretty clear you shouldn't be. If they no longer use the program and send you the discs, great, if they say they 'no longer use the program but can't find the discs' then, and this is purely my opinion, I'd reckon a legal eagle for the software companies would still say you can't use it, but for me personally, you've made sure (as best you can) that only one person is using the program so then you can deal with your logistics problem:-) You never know, when you contact them they might be able to give you the serial No and so solve your logistics problem. HTH ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
more info
Bill Marriott wrote: That library should be at runrev.com, and actively maintained. I guess this information is a useful one to give. I had signed a community partner agreement with runrev about two months ago, with the view of helping things *LIKE THIS* to happen. I tried. I asked what was possible or not with respect to stuff like this. I received no information. I was invited to share the information I had collected at BETT (British Education Trade Show, the biggest inthe UK). I did so. No interest was shown in the information or ideas I exposed. I was proposed to become a vendor, lobby a given school to persuade them to buy a few licenses and get my cut out of the deal. I signaled I was not interested in this. I asked what else was possible. I didn't receive any clear answer. As it was too unclear to me what my role was supposed to be and what room for action I had in that role, I have come to choose to resign from it, a bit more than a week ago. I am still keen on taking up a role with runrev which would allow me to do something positive for the education community but would refrain from doing so till things become clearer. In particular, in my interactions with runrev it became clear to me that due to already great time pressure on staff, other priorities, or I don't know what, it wouldn't be possible to set up a structure where (1) things would be created and (2) things will be actively maintained. A structure exists where things can be created and be actively maintained. This structure is called wikibooks. Best, Marielle Marielle Lange (PhD), http://widged.com Bite-size Applications for Education ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
answer file of type ... ?
I have some iCal export files I want to select with the answer file command. I'd like to limit the answer file selection to just the iCal export files. Two questions: What are the scripts I would use on MacOSX, Windows, and Unix to limit the selection in answer file to be just the iCal export files? How did you determine the file type or filter with parameters to use for each of the answer file scripts? The docs imply there are different answer file scripts required for each OS but the examples are not marked as OS specific. The docs show types and filters but for the types, they don't tell you how to obtain the desired type or filter information from a path specified file. Filters do not appear to work on Mac OS X (or there is some magic that I'm just not performing to get a simple .ics filter to work). Thanks in advance. Kee Nethery ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Unicode?
I have to delve into the world of Unicode. Is there a sample stack or set of sample stacks that people would recommend that I start with? In specific I'll grab unicode from a database via HTTP POST, display it in a field, allow it to be edited, and then save the results back into the database using HTTP POST. I get the feeling from all I have read on this list that unicode is a mind field of things that do not work as expected or as documented. Thanks, Kee Nethery ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: answer file of type ... ?
I have some iCal export files I want to select with the answer file command. I'd like to limit the answer file selection to just the iCal export files. Two questions: What are the scripts I would use on MacOSX, Windows, and Unix to limit the selection in answer file to be just the iCal export files? How did you determine the file type or filter with parameters to use for each of the answer file scripts? I found a format that works on Mac OS X. answer file select the .ics file with type iCal file|ics that is iCal file then a pipe | then the file suffix without the dot ics iCal file can be seen as the Kind of file in the Mac OS X finder window with the files in a list. The file suffix is visible as part of the file name. The example I pulled this from had a file type as the third element iCal file|ics|RCSK where RCSK would be the Finder File Type but this appears to be optional. This is not an example displayed in the answer file command docs. The pipe as a separator is not in any example in the answer file command docs and the examples there imply that you need wildcard dot before the file suffix *.ics versus just ics My questions above still remain but at least now I have a way to select specific file suffixes on the Mac. Thanks, Kee Nethery ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
Devin Asay wrote: Thanks, Jacque for that reminder--I took the chance to revisit some of the scripting conference stacks, and was reminded again how well-done they are. It seems like this series could be easily adapted and extended beyond just the scripting conference. I'd be happy, for instance, to contribute a unicode tutorial. That would be *very* useful. I'll try to find out what RR thinks about expanding the conference stack library (I'm pretty sure they'll like the idea) and then, if approved, I'll put the template stack online so that others can use it. I'll let the list know how this pans out in a few days. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
Hi Marielle, I'm amazed at your fluency with the English language. I should do even half as well. I fully appreciate your dilemma and would love to collaborate with you and some others; but, as mentioned previously, I'm really swamped right now, and don't see things clearing up until the end of June. I'm working on my various projects 7/16 with little time to spare. I don't even read most of the RunRev posts. I've set up a folder for yours so I can go back and check on things like the one you asked me about. I don't clutter my email folders any more than necessary, so it is long gone I suspect. I could probably do a Spotlight search if I could think of a good keyword for which to search. This is just to let you know that I'm not going to be able to help anytime soon. Thanks for all your efforts. They do not go unappreciated - at least not by me. (smile) Joe Wilkins On Mar 17, 2007, at 3:57 AM, Marielle Lange wrote: Hi Joe, A few weeks back I broached that very issue. Or, maybe, even more ambitiously, about the total scope of available resources for RunRev. Can you point me to this post... I am afraid, I don't find the time to read each single post on this list. It had become pretty obvious to me that there are just tons and tons of materials, suggestions, approaches, et. out there, but the newbie to Rev has got to be bewildered. I do my best to provide such a list at: http://revolution.widged.com/wiki/tiki-index.php? page=RevolutionWebsites http://revolution.widged.com/wiki/tiki-index.php? page=TutorialsExample http://revolution.widged.com/wiki/tiki-index.php? page=RevolutionSnippetStacks there is dmoz directory, where persons can add mention of their website http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/ Richard has a similar list: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/links.html And oh, as pointed by mblackman on the forums: There is a good list of sites in the documentation but it doesn't pop out at you. Go to documentation, click on the Search button at the right hand side, in the window that pops up click on 'web database' which pops up a menu, choose 'Go to' and presto there's a list. Maybe they should make this easier to find ! Then the problem I experienced is that if a link gets outdated, they don't get changed. I signaled that the lexicall.org link was not valid a while ago (replaced by widged.com about a year ago). I was told that the change would take place in the next version. The next version comes. No change. I don't mind the place where this information appears being revolution. What I do mind however is that this is a place where information can be kept up to date, with the responsibility for this being shared by various persons rather than it being a single person effort. When I was working heavily with FutureBasic, I was pushing for the design of a few really good templates to be used by newbies of FB a starting point. We even did a few; and, except for its Mac only capabilities, FB is the best, fastest and easiest there is. Lots of it are in assembly language, and like this list, the FB lists are impressive, though not as hurried. You see, the big problem is that I am about to reply to this post on the forums http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=650 Help! I've built an application in Enterprise (2.7.1 build 236) booting up in OSX on an external drive - everything is fine, including the custom Image Library I created to hold about thirty icons used by my application's buttons. I have already replied to this type of question 3-5 times over the past 2 years. That's really a classical one. meaning that an evaluation of the available resource when pursuing a specific type of design, plus a heads up with respect to the potential gotchas, is probably a better approach. Break down the kinds of things that might be attempted by someone, and they outline an approach that they might use to achieve those ends. I don't think there is a lot of new ground that would have to be broken, just guidance as to where to look for an specific challenge; since you can spend a lifetime reading all the stuff that is available, but not really find the things that a person might need at the time. I'm just running off at the mouth, so excuse me. I know you understand, probably far better than I do. That was expressed far better than I would have been able to ;-). Various things I was thinking about : - 1. Book formats - Wicked cool? Demo chapter for Wicked java http://assets.devx.com/download/17813.pdf Wicked cool shell scripts http://www.intuitive.com/wicked/ Wicked cool perl scripts http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/1593270623/ Phrase Book? PHP Phrasebook (Sample Chapters) http://www.samspublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=417718rl=1 Hacks? PHP Hacks (Sample Hacks)
Re: answer file of type ... ?
kee nethery wrote: I found a format that works on Mac OS X. answer file select the .ics file with type iCal file|ics that is iCal file then a pipe | then the file suffix without the dot ics iCal file can be seen as the Kind of file in the Mac OS X finder window with the files in a list. The file suffix is visible as part of the file name. The example I pulled this from had a file type as the third element iCal file|ics|RCSK where RCSK would be the Finder File Type but this appears to be optional. This is not an example displayed in the answer file command docs. It has its own entry listed under answer file with type. The entry is also listed as a see also under the older answer file command entry. The new format was introduced in Rev 2.6 and will work cross-platform. If you use the older answer file syntax, you need to branch the answer command depending on platform. The newer entry works with the same command everywhere. An example of the newer syntax is: answer files Select images: with type JPEG Images|jpg|JPEG The types you use should be a return-delimited list of values of the form tag|extensions|filetypes. This lets you list Windows extensions in the second piped item and Mac file types in the last one. If you omit the last string (which you say works okay) then I'm guessing the command may only look at file name extensions and may not include any files of the correct type that don't have extensions in their names. I haven't tested that though. Regarding discovery of Mac file types, another way to find out what these are is to get the detailed files of a folder that contains a file whose type you want to know. (See the files entry in the docs.) The last item of each line in the list will be the Mac creator and type codes, provided you are on a Mac when you do it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
Interesting. I thought I was sending this off-list, but it had been a long day at work and I wasn't paying attention. Hope someone finds this useful anyway. I thought the list software didn't handle attachments, but I guess that's not quite true... good to know. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
Mark Wieder wrote: Interesting. I thought I was sending this off-list, but it had been a long day at work and I wasn't paying attention. Hope someone finds this useful anyway. I did, it it helps. I thought the list software didn't handle attachments, but I guess that's not quite true... good to know. It doesn't, but your attachment was an inline text file so the listbot apparently thought it was just a text entry. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
On 16/03/07, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, 1) Redevelop the software using standard web technology for which there are many developers available. 2) Buy a commercial package 3) Adopt a mixed open source strategy Unfortunately I cannot agree with you on *ANY* of these recommendations. Strange I agree with most of yours! If you really believe this, why the heck are you using Rev at all? It's my prefered development platform. I can do pretty well anything I need with it, more reliably and faster than with any other platform. These arguments could be used against any desktop application Which is why rightly or wrongly desktop apps are moving increasingly to web based apps. For apps that can oly be delivered on the desktop your arguments hold strong - it may be that this is true for Signe's app - but there are less justifications now than there used to be for Desktop apps. I think for all practical purposes the answer to the original poster is: Find a Vista machine and try your stuff out. If for some reason it doesn't work, try re-building the standalone with Rev 2.8. It will undoubtedly work great and continue to do so for the forseeable future. Could well be. I'd find it hard to think of an application in a University setting that has that sort of requirements stability - which is why I'd stand by going with the people and not the technology - maybe an app will not technically need updating over the next 3 years - but most University applications I come across need annual updates because the requirements change - new teachers demand new things - and courses evolve pretty fast (with some exceptions). Perhaps this is the case for Signe - I can't picture it in the courses I know about. I'f I'm somehow misunderstanding you, please help clarify. 3) is a bit of a shorthand, and I'd agree with your caution. I tried to word what I said without promising it to be an easy path. Most open source projects are a have for bugs and truly shoddy work. The larger communities are pretty solid by now though - personally i find Firefox rock solid and upgrading basic installations of MediaWiki or WordPress are in the main done for you with a one click upgrade in many hosting set-ups - its the custom bits and small projects that cause the problems. Again this says to me - go with the people not the technology (both WordPress and MediaWiki are not strong technically) - as the upgrades come for free. A main reason to stick with Rev is this community and the help given - the time taken with your reply is no exception. My advice was to stick with a human centered approach - if there is a Rev developer or a teacher that wants to learn stick with that - if not don't encourage the university to put more resources into an application without the human resources to mange the inevitable change in requirements. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
My current flash drive got washed at 40 degrees when I accidentally left it in my jeans pocket - still seems to work perfectly, but be warned; Like all flash memory devices, flash drives can sustain only a limited number of wash and rinse cycles before failure. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
John Craig wrote: My current flash drive got washed at 40 degrees when I accidentally left it in my jeans pocket - still seems to work perfectly, but be warned; Like all flash memory devices, flash drives can sustain only a limited number of wash and rinse cycles before failure. I'll keep that in mind. :) I haven't run that test myself, but I have run some durability tests: I've dropped mine many times while backpacking and hiking, watched it tumble over rocks, sand, and cactus, and this lightweight full-featured (yes, with voice recording -- sorry, Apple) unit just keeps on working like a champ. My main interest in the original thread about writes was less about my own usage than the viability of delivering such devices with my app pre-installed to customers as a bundle. I've found some great outlets that do custom logos and replication, and the prices are unbelievably low (sorry, Apple). But if I encourage customers to run their stuff from the flash drive, I'll want to do so in a way that gives them some lifespan. At a minimum this means turning off any auto-save features, or at least turning down the save interval over what we have in the desktop version. If anyone here has had experiences with failing devices it would be good to know about to help determine the viability of such bundling. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
Richard, I've used them from the beginning, and have yet to have one fail. I keep one or two in my pocket at all times. I suspect they're a bit like Plasma screens. A lot of talk about the shelf-life, but when you actually figure out how much you're using it, you see it will last for years and years. -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: answer file of type ... ?
you are truly a goddess! thanks. To the runrev powers that be, in the docs, 1. when the search is answer file, please have answer file with type command appear in the search results 2. in the answer file entry, please include the notation that this format is being depreciated and that answer file with type command is recommended for new code. 3. in the answer file with type command add Jacgue's note: Regarding discovery of Mac file types, another way to find out what these are is to get the detailed files of a folder that contains a file whose type you want to know. (See the files entry in the docs.) The last item of each line in the list will be the Mac creator and type codes, provided you are on a Mac when you do it. Kee On Mar 17, 2007, at 10:25 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: kee nethery wrote: I found a format that works on Mac OS X. answer file select the .ics file with type iCal file|ics that is iCal file then a pipe | then the file suffix without the dot ics iCal file can be seen as the Kind of file in the Mac OS X finder window with the files in a list. The file suffix is visible as part of the file name. The example I pulled this from had a file type as the third element iCal file|ics|RCSK where RCSK would be the Finder File Type but this appears to be optional. This is not an example displayed in the answer file command docs. It has its own entry listed under answer file with type. The entry is also listed as a see also under the older answer file command entry. The new format was introduced in Rev 2.6 and will work cross-platform. If you use the older answer file syntax, you need to branch the answer command depending on platform. The newer entry works with the same command everywhere. An example of the newer syntax is: answer files Select images: with type JPEG Images|jpg|JPEG The types you use should be a return-delimited list of values of the form tag|extensions|filetypes. This lets you list Windows extensions in the second piped item and Mac file types in the last one. If you omit the last string (which you say works okay) then I'm guessing the command may only look at file name extensions and may not include any files of the correct type that don't have extensions in their names. I haven't tested that though. Regarding discovery of Mac file types, another way to find out what these are is to get the detailed files of a folder that contains a file whose type you want to know. (See the files entry in the docs.) The last item of each line in the list will be the Mac creator and type codes, provided you are on a Mac when you do it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
Is it just me or is that as clear as Ribena? Cheers, Luis. On 17 Mar 2007, at 5:40, Bill Marriott wrote: I can't answer all your Windows question with authority, but let me just point out that if you have Rev 2.7 already, 2.8 is a free upgrade, as 2.9 will be. - Revolution 2.8 is free to users who had an active license as of its release on February 19, 2007, per the usual licensing arrangement. - Revolution 2.9 will be free to anyone who had an active license as of February 1, 2006, or purchased any version after that date. Thus, there are some customers for whom 2.9 will be free, but 2.8 is not. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: But if I encourage customers to run their stuff from the flash drive, I'll want to do so in a way that gives them some lifespan. At a minimum this means turning off any auto-save features, or at least turning down the save interval over what we have in the desktop version. Not the answer to your original question but how about encouraging initial backup on the user's drive at first launch, or providing backup as an automatic feature? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
Recently, Chipp Walters wrote: I've used them from the beginning, and have yet to have one fail. You know those thumb drives from the first RevCon? ALL the data on the drive I received became corrupt at some point, without my using it. Just popped it into a USB port one day, and while I could see all the files, non would open or decompress. I was able to reformat the drive, and it has worked since, but the experience has made me a tiny bit leery of the hardware. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
Luis, Is it just me or is that as clear as Ribena? I'm not sure what's unclear about what I wrote. Maybe you mean, it's unusual to charge for an update when a future one will be free. But that's the way it is. - Revolution 2.8 is free to users who had an active license as of its release on February 19, 2007, per the usual licensing arrangement. - Revolution 2.9 will be free to anyone who had an active license as of February 1, 2006, or purchased any version after that date. Thus, there are some customers for whom 2.9 will be free, but 2.8 is not. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
A little poem flashed into my head... Not to be trusted, especially when rusted. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 3/17/07 3:49 PM, Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently, Chipp Walters wrote: I've used them from the beginning, and have yet to have one fail. You know those thumb drives from the first RevCon? ALL the data on the drive I received became corrupt at some point, without my using it. Just popped it into a USB port one day, and while I could see all the files, non would open or decompress. I was able to reformat the drive, and it has worked since, but the experience has made me a tiny bit leery of the hardware. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
Strange I agree with most of yours! That's the power of logic for you ;) Could well be. I'd find it hard to think of an application in a University setting that has that sort of requirements stability - which is why I'd stand by going with the people and not the technology - maybe an app will not technically need updating over the next 3 years - but most University applications I come across need annual updates because the requirements change - new teachers demand new things - and courses evolve pretty fast (with some exceptions). Perhaps this is the case for Signe - I can't picture it in the courses I know about. The point about updating the content is valid; however if there is a facility, or front-end, for doing this with the app(s) in question, that may not be a consideration. I'm sure there's a wide range of universities... dynamic ones like Brigham Young and perhaps more conservative ones. But let's say that Signe's is one of the faster-moving ones and it would need to be updated based on changing requirements A main reason to stick with Rev is this community and the help given [...] My advice was to stick with a human centered approach - if there is a Rev developer or a teacher that wants to learn stick with that - if not don't encourage the university to put more resources into an application without the human resources to mange the inevitable change in requirements. I'd wager that a first-year comp sci undergraduate with no prior knowledge of xTalk could be sat down in front of the typical Revolution stack and make any updates required in the time it took for the other three routes to get past the research/requirements phase. That's the great strength of our beloved platform. I can do pretty well anything I need with [Revolution], more reliably and faster than with any other platform. Ah, maybe we agree after all! - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
That REVCON drive didn't work very well when I got it. I had to reformat right away. Also PC formatted drives on Macs seem to be a bad idea in general if you don't have to. Recently, Chipp Walters wrote: I've used them from the beginning, and have yet to have one fail. You know those thumb drives from the first RevCon? ALL the data on the drive I received became corrupt at some point, without my using it. Just popped it into a USB port one day, and while I could see all the files, non would open or decompress. I was able to reformat the drive, and it has worked since, but the experience has made me a tiny bit leery of the hardware. Regards, Scott Rossi -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unusual Problem
Why is the user not returned to the third card where the print button is after printing is completed? Push and Pop could be handy here. Jim Lambert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
You know, thumb drives are getting cheaper and cheaper. TigerDirect has 512MB models from Kingston and Memorex for $9.95, no rebate required. And a PNY 128MB one for $4.99 after rebate. NewEgg has a 256 MB one for $6.99, free 3-day shipping: http://tinyurl.com/36xkbg Would be easy enough to write a stack to determine how long a stick can sustain constant writes and the performance curve of those writes. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
The 2Gig drives are now $49 at CompUSA - two different companies. It's fast enough to write 44.1k stereo audio in real time. You know, thumb drives are getting cheaper and cheaper. TigerDirect has 512MB models from Kingston and Memorex for $9.95, no rebate required. And a PNY 128MB one for $4.99 after rebate. NewEgg has a 256 MB one for $6.99, free 3-day shipping: http://tinyurl.com/36xkbg Would be easy enough to write a stack to determine how long a stick can sustain constant writes and the performance curve of those writes. -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
The 2Gig drives are now $49 at CompUSA - two different companies. It's fast enough to write 44.1k stereo audio in real time. You can even get an 8Gig drive for $79 at TigerDirect.com. It comes with excellent backup software for PC. This is not a U3 drive, so you don't have to use the included software. I have used it to backup all of my Rev stack files on my PC at the end of each day. It synchronizes to any folders I have configured, and does so very quickly. Currently, I reformatted it and have OS X installed on it (including Revolution and a few other apps) with 2Gig to spare. A MacPro can boot from USB drives as well as Firewire (not sure about other models). OMG! I have a pocket Mac! (almost anyway) lol http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2749424sku=T555-1112 Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Mouse messages while down
I'm having a blank moment here and I can't work out how to solve what should be a simple problem. I have a grid of about 400 buttons and I have a mouseDown handler in the card script to detect which of these buttons is clicked first. Then I want the user to be able to drag the mouse around and I want to detect which button is under the pointer when the mouse is released. Ideally, I want to detect which button is under the pointer at all times while the mouse is down. The problem is that no other messages seem to be sent while the mouse is down (mouseEnter, mouseLeave, mouseStillDown etc). I can detect mouseRelease but the target is my original button so it doesn't tell me where the mouse is now. Checking the mouseControl in the mouseRelease handler also gives the original target. It's looking as if I may have to do some continuous polling, but I know that is generally frowned upon, so I would be grateful for any other suggestions. Thanks, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mouse messages while down
how about: Use the within function to determine whether a point is inside the specified object. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 3/17/07 7:32 PM, Sarah Reichelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm having a blank moment here and I can't work out how to solve what should be a simple problem. I have a grid of about 400 buttons and I have a mouseDown handler in the card script to detect which of these buttons is clicked first. Then I want the user to be able to drag the mouse around and I want to detect which button is under the pointer when the mouse is released. Ideally, I want to detect which button is under the pointer at all times while the mouse is down. The problem is that no other messages seem to be sent while the mouse is down (mouseEnter, mouseLeave, mouseStillDown etc). I can detect mouseRelease but the target is my original button so it doesn't tell me where the mouse is now. Checking the mouseControl in the mouseRelease handler also gives the original target. It's looking as if I may have to do some continuous polling, but I know that is generally frowned upon, so I would be grateful for any other suggestions. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mouse messages while down
Sarah, I don't fully understand what you're trying to do, but something like the following should get you continuous x,y that you should be able to use in some manner or another to determine which button is affected: on mousedown repeat while the mouse is down get the mouseloc -- do something with it end repeat end mousedown Joe Wilkins On Mar 17, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: I'm having a blank moment here and I can't work out how to solve what should be a simple problem. I have a grid of about 400 buttons and I have a mouseDown handler in the card script to detect which of these buttons is clicked first. Then I want the user to be able to drag the mouse around and I want to detect which button is under the pointer when the mouse is released. Ideally, I want to detect which button is under the pointer at all times while the mouse is down. The problem is that no other messages seem to be sent while the mouse is down (mouseEnter, mouseLeave, mouseStillDown etc). I can detect mouseRelease but the target is my original button so it doesn't tell me where the mouse is now. Checking the mouseControl in the mouseRelease handler also gives the original target. It's looking as if I may have to do some continuous polling, but I know that is generally frowned upon, so I would be grateful for any other suggestions. Thanks, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mouse messages while down
Thanks Jim Joe, That works OK, using a repeat while the mouse is down loop and then checking the mouseLoc to see whether it is within the rect of any of my 400 buttons each time. I thought this sort of polling was not considered a good idea. It seems fine on my 2GHz Intel Mac, but I'm not sure how it would go on slower machines. It still seems odd that I can't get the data I need without having to do this. Cheers, Sarah On 3/18/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sarah, I don't fully understand what you're trying to do, but something like the following should get you continuous x,y that you should be able to use in some manner or another to determine which button is affected: on mousedown repeat while the mouse is down get the mouseloc -- do something with it end repeat end mousedown Joe Wilkins On Mar 17, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: I'm having a blank moment here and I can't work out how to solve what should be a simple problem. I have a grid of about 400 buttons and I have a mouseDown handler in the card script to detect which of these buttons is clicked first. Then I want the user to be able to drag the mouse around and I want to detect which button is under the pointer when the mouse is released. Ideally, I want to detect which button is under the pointer at all times while the mouse is down. The problem is that no other messages seem to be sent while the mouse is down (mouseEnter, mouseLeave, mouseStillDown etc). I can detect mouseRelease but the target is my original button so it doesn't tell me where the mouse is now. Checking the mouseControl in the mouseRelease handler also gives the original target. It's looking as if I may have to do some continuous polling, but I know that is generally frowned upon, so I would be grateful for any other suggestions. Thanks, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mouse messages while down
Sarah, Try this script in the card: -- global trackMouse on mouseDown put true into trackMouse end mouseDown on mouseMove if trackMouse = true then put mouseMove the target return after fld 1 pass mouseMove end if end mouseMove on mouseRelease if trackMouse = true then put mouseRelease the target return after fld 1 pass mouseRelease end if end mouseRelease on mouseLeave if trackMouse = true then put mouseLeave the target return after fld 1 pass mouseLeave end if end mouseLeave on mouseEnter if trackMouse = true then put mouseEnter the target return after fld 1 put false into trackMouse pass mouseEnter end if end mouseEnter -- I think you will find that once you press the mouse button: - mouse down is sent to the original button - mouseMoves are continually sent to the original button wherever you move the mouse - when you release, you get a mouseRelease sent to the original button - then a mouseMove is sent to the button you released over, - then a mouseLeave sent to the original button, - then a mouseEnter sent to the button you released over - Bill Sarah Reichelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Jim Joe, That works OK, using a repeat while the mouse is down loop and then checking the mouseLoc to see whether it is within the rect of any of my 400 buttons each time. I thought this sort of polling was not considered a good idea. It seems fine on my 2GHz Intel Mac, but I'm not sure how it would go on slower machines. It still seems odd that I can't get the data I need without having to do this. Cheers, Sarah On 3/18/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sarah, I don't fully understand what you're trying to do, but something like the following should get you continuous x,y that you should be able to use in some manner or another to determine which button is affected: on mousedown repeat while the mouse is down get the mouseloc -- do something with it end repeat end mousedown Joe Wilkins On Mar 17, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: I'm having a blank moment here and I can't work out how to solve what should be a simple problem. I have a grid of about 400 buttons and I have a mouseDown handler in the card script to detect which of these buttons is clicked first. Then I want the user to be able to drag the mouse around and I want to detect which button is under the pointer when the mouse is released. Ideally, I want to detect which button is under the pointer at all times while the mouse is down. The problem is that no other messages seem to be sent while the mouse is down (mouseEnter, mouseLeave, mouseStillDown etc). I can detect mouseRelease but the target is my original button so it doesn't tell me where the mouse is now. Checking the mouseControl in the mouseRelease handler also gives the original target. It's looking as if I may have to do some continuous polling, but I know that is generally frowned upon, so I would be grateful for any other suggestions. Thanks, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mouse messages while down
Jerry figured it out a while ago -- Galaxy always shows the object name and path of the object it is hovering above. I think mousemove may be part of it. from the docs: Sent periodically while the mouse button is being held down. this gets close to what you want I think. ON mouseMove put the target END mouseMove It still seems odd that I can't get the data I need without having to do this. Cheers, Sarah -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mouse messages while down
Sarah, By and large, I would not put this in the category of polling; since nothing can be done while the mouse is down anyway. That's just the way it is. Now, if this repeat loop was being used in a mouseup handler, then it would be polling because all sorts of things can take place once the mouse button is released. So, I wouldn't feel badly about using this. Even fairly slow machines are going to react in exactly the same manner. They're just waiting for the user to make up her mind. (smile) Joe Wilkins On Mar 17, 2007, at 8:22 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: Thanks Jim Joe, That works OK, using a repeat while the mouse is down loop and then checking the mouseLoc to see whether it is within the rect of any of my 400 buttons each time. I thought this sort of polling was not considered a good idea. It seems fine on my 2GHz Intel Mac, but I'm not sure how it would go on slower machines. It still seems odd that I can't get the data I need without having to do this. Cheers, Sarah On 3/18/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sarah, I don't fully understand what you're trying to do, but something like the following should get you continuous x,y that you should be able to use in some manner or another to determine which button is affected: on mousedown repeat while the mouse is down get the mouseloc -- do something with it end repeat end mousedown Joe Wilkins On Mar 17, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: I'm having a blank moment here and I can't work out how to solve what should be a simple problem. I have a grid of about 400 buttons and I have a mouseDown handler in the card script to detect which of these buttons is clicked first. Then I want the user to be able to drag the mouse around and I want to detect which button is under the pointer when the mouse is released. Ideally, I want to detect which button is under the pointer at all times while the mouse is down. The problem is that no other messages seem to be sent while the mouse is down (mouseEnter, mouseLeave, mouseStillDown etc). I can detect mouseRelease but the target is my original button so it doesn't tell me where the mouse is now. Checking the mouseControl in the mouseRelease handler also gives the original target. It's looking as if I may have to do some continuous polling, but I know that is generally frowned upon, so I would be grateful for any other suggestions. Thanks, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mouse messages while down
Sarah Reichelt wrote: Thanks Jim Joe, That works OK, using a repeat while the mouse is down loop and then checking the mouseLoc to see whether it is within the rect of any of my 400 buttons each time. I thought this sort of polling was not considered a good idea. It seems fine on my 2GHz Intel Mac, but I'm not sure how it would go on slower machines. It still seems odd that I can't get the data I need without having to do this. Yeah, bad idea. At least, according to Mr. Raney. Sometimes it's the only way though. A more politically correct way is to use a mousemove handler. Set a script local when the mouse goes down or up. Then use mousemove to check whether the variable flag is set. If not, pass mousemove. If so, check the mouse location. Off the top of my head: local sFlag on mouseDown put true into sFlag -- or you could use the button ID as the flag end mouseDown on mouseUp put false into sFlag end mouseUp on mouseMove x,y if sFlag true then pass mouseMove repeat with n = 1 to the number of btns if x,y is within the rect of btn n then put n into tTarget exit repeat end if end repeat end mouseMove I use this method in my Klondike game. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution and Unicode
My primary problem is that I need to access a web page that is UTF8, and convert it to unicode so that I can edit it and save it out as a file of unicode. There are a few good examples of how to deal with unicode in revolution but so far no examples of using get URL http:// ... to obtain the UTF8 web page and convert it to unicode. Here are things I have learned about revolution and unicode after many hours of searching: The DVD from Revcon 2006 has the talk by Devin Asay on unicode and it covers lots of the gotchas on using Unicode. http://www.runrev.com/offers/conference_dvd.php Devin has a web page with some similar content http://revolution.byu.edu/unicode/unicodeInRev.html His stack from the Revcon 2006 presentation has the example scripts that he referred to and although I have a copy from the conference, I cannot find any references to it online to provide a url. The name revolution is terrible when doing google searches because it is so generic. The hits on Revolution and Unicode rarely discuss runtime revolution and it's unicode capabilities. The thing that does seem useful is searching in google with this: unicode url site:lists.runrev.com and the closest entries to the problem I am running into are: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-June/037825.html http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-June/037848.html If this is hopeless using get URL http:// ... to grab utf8 and convert it to unicode it would be great to know that now. Thanks in advance, Kee Nethery ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mouse messages while down
Sorry Joe, polling is just plain bad practice and could interfere with other messaging code. Rev gives plenty of ways to deal with messages that one should never have to use idle. You still have your hypercard hat on. Untie the chains! sqb Sarah, By and large, I would not put this in the category of polling; since nothing can be done while the mouse is down anyway. That's just the way it is. Now, if this repeat loop was being used in a mouseup handler, then it would be polling because all sorts of things can take place once the mouse button is released. So, I wouldn't feel badly about using this. Even fairly slow machines are going to react in exactly the same manner. They're just waiting for the user to make up her mind. (smile) Joe Wilkins -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mouse messages while down
Stephen, So you're saying that with Rev, when the Mouse is Down, other messages can still be sent/received unless a repeat loop of the nature I suggested is invoked, so that it IS polling in the sense that it interrupts the normal flow? I guess things have gotten more complicated than I think they should. Of course, that's mostly because I'm content to do one thing at a time. Guess you could say I'm a stick in the mud! Thank for the observations, nonetheless. Joe Wilkins On Mar 17, 2007, at 9:22 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote: Sorry Joe, polling is just plain bad practice and could interfere with other messaging code. Rev gives plenty of ways to deal with messages that one should never have to use idle. You still have your hypercard hat on. Untie the chains! sqb Sarah, By and large, I would not put this in the category of polling; since nothing can be done while the mouse is down anyway. That's just the way it is. Now, if this repeat loop was being used in a mouseup handler, then it would be polling because all sorts of things can take place once the mouse button is released. So, I wouldn't feel badly about using this. Even fairly slow machines are going to react in exactly the same manner. They're just waiting for the user to make up her mind. (smile) Joe Wilkins -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
Jacque- Saturday, March 17, 2007, 10:26:14 AM, you wrote: I thought the list software didn't handle attachments, but I guess that's not quite true... good to know. It doesn't, but your attachment was an inline text file so the listbot apparently thought it was just a text entry. It's not, actually. It's a text file attached to a text message. That's two different MIME encodings. IF you look at the message header, the message part gets a 7bit tag and the text file is base64-encoded with a Content-Disposition of attachment. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mouse messages while down
On Mar 17, 2007, at 9:22 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote: Sorry Joe, polling is just plain bad practice and could interfere with other messaging code. Rev gives plenty of ways to deal with messages that one should never have to use idle. You still have your hypercard hat on. Untie the chains! On 3/17/07 9:54 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen, So you're saying that with Rev, when the Mouse is Down, other messages can still be sent/received unless a repeat loop of the nature I suggested is invoked, so that it IS polling in the sense that it interrupts the normal flow? I guess things have gotten more complicated than I think they should. Of course, that's mostly because I'm content to do one thing at a time. Guess you could say I'm a stick in the mud! Thank for the observations, nonetheless. The Hypercard way of doing this was to use a repeat loop checking for mouseStillDown... but mouseMove is better since Rev sends this to the card of the topmost stack all the time, unless blocked, even when you are not checking for it. Yep, all the time, but only when the cursor is within a Rev stack window, which makes sense, since it sends the x,y with the message. Now you can have each button receive the messages: mouseEnter mouseLeave which are sent by Rev. Blocking means the buttons will not see them. Malte is an expert at this stuff. Chipp found a bug about a year ago in the mouseLeave sequence with buttons and posted a fix, but I cannot remember the details. Hope this helps you Sarah. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mouse messages while down
Sarah Reichelt wrote: I want the user to be able to drag the mouse around Mouse messages while down: SQUEAK! (poor thing) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
