date:20070504


Jeffrey,

You made my day. Isn't life a hoot?

Thanks,

Joe Wilkins

On May 3, 2007, at 8:06 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote:


Joe,

seemed very appropriate...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHX-SjgQvQmode=relatedsearch=

(sent to me by a client who does illuminated illustrations and she  
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cheers,

Jeffrey Reynolds



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Thanks. I did finally find a Manual that showed where the button
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A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .

Strap a scanner to one of the older Mac monitors

now, talking about DAFT :)

as I have a SCSI CD-ROM burner in my attic in Scotland
I will just make backups of all my silly little MACS
(about 5 at the last count - they breed, you know)
onto CD. Come to think of it . . . I have a SCSI PCI
card on my G4 Windtunnel just in case I get even more
back-to-the-future.

LUIS:

I may yet strap a scanner to my face and plaster it
all over your e-mail :)

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Assigning IP addresses . . .

Ian Wood wrote:

You can only assign IP addresses to devices that
understand Internet  
Protocol, i.e computers and network-aware devices such
as network  
printers, network scanners and NAS boxes. All those
things that have  
ethernet ports...

That has been my point all along!

For instance:

On my home network I have a fairly plain, vanilla USB
printer hooked into my Router via an EdiMax (cheap and
not very cheerful, and a pain in the bum to set up
with Macs) printer server. My printer probably
wouldn't understand an IP address if it hit it in the
face (a lot of mixed metaphors and similes there) -
but the server thrives on IP addresses.

Hence the idea that one could assign an IP address to
some sort of USB-to-Ethernet server regardless of what
was plugged in at the far end.

Having read the Keyspan PDFs I found 2 things which
make this unworkable, at least with their product:

1. doesn't work with video - although does work with
digital cameras.

2. doesn't seem to allow the end-user to assign IP
addresses - does it all automatically: why do I
dislike machines that have sealed boxes?

SO . . . I am now searching for a video-compliant
USB/Firewire-to-Ethernet server,

and, like a later-day Don Quixote I shall ride forth
with my BBC Micro under one arm, my SCSI PCI card
under the other and all sorts of ADB cables slung
around my waist . . . fear not! the outdated loony
cometh!

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Re: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .


Richmond Mathewson wrote:

Strap a scanner to one of the older Mac monitors

now, talking about DAFT :)


What? When you gotta make do, you gotta make do.
I've still got my metal detector in a matchbox somewhere...



as I have a SCSI CD-ROM burner in my attic in Scotland
I will just make backups of all my silly little MACS
(about 5 at the last count - they breed, you know)
onto CD. Come to think of it . . . I have a SCSI PCI
card on my G4 Windtunnel just in case I get even more
back-to-the-future.


SCSI to SCSI: You might be able to mount them as drives (as in shared 
folders).




LUIS:

I may yet strap a scanner to my face and plaster it
all over your e-mail :)


Is it just me or does that just sound plain wrong?

Cheers,

Luis.




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Best graphic lib to use with Rev cgi ?

2007-05-04 Thread jbv

Hi list,

Could someone be kind enough to advise a graphic lib that allows
(fast) 3D bussiness graphics with  Rev cgi (stuff like 3D bar-charts
with perspective)?
The ouput should be gif or jpg images to be integrated on-the-fly into
web pages generated from the same Rev cgi scripts.
I guess the main choice is one of the PHP libs...

Thanks in adance,
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Re: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .

2007-05-04 Thread James Richards


Richmond,

A couple of links that might help with this:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=50512
http://lowendmac.com/network/bridge.shtml

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On 3 May, 2007, at 16:53, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


And, while I am being daft; does anybody know of some
way to patch from an old-fashioned Mac printer/modem
port to ethernet???

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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Re: Best graphic lib to use with Rev cgi ?

2007-05-04 Thread Ian Wood

I've no idea if it would work with Rev CGI, but ArcadeEngine does a  
nice line in 3D barcharts etc.


Ian

On 4 May 2007, at 10:52, jbv wrote:


Hi list,

Could someone be kind enough to advise a graphic lib that allows
(fast) 3D bussiness graphics with  Rev cgi (stuff like 3D bar-charts
with perspective)?
The ouput should be gif or jpg images to be integrated on-the-fly into
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I guess the main choice is one of the PHP libs...

Thanks in adance,
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Re: Assigning IP addresses . . .

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

On my home network I have a fairly plain, vanilla USB
printer hooked into my Router via an EdiMax (cheap and
not very cheerful, and a pain in the bum to set up
with Macs) printer server. My printer probably
wouldn't understand an IP address if it hit it in the
face (a lot of mixed metaphors and similes there) -
but the server thrives on IP addresses.

That's because it knows that it has to treat the USB data in a certain
way, ie: convert it to ethernet packets.

And I agree, Edimax are pants.

Hence the idea that one could assign an IP address to
some sort of USB-to-Ethernet server regardless of what
was plugged in at the far end.

Yes, you can, but insofar as, for example, video data is sent into the
USB part of the server, if it's expecting printer commands then that's
what it's sent as.

Having read the Keyspan PDFs I found 2 things which
make this unworkable, at least with their product:

1. doesn't work with video - although does work with
digital cameras.

I suppose the polling rate could be tweaked here.

2. doesn't seem to allow the end-user to assign IP
addresses - does it all automatically: why do I
dislike machines that have sealed boxes?

Yeah, that's a bit poo, especially if you have more than one device
attached.

SO . . . I am now searching for a video-compliant
USB/Firewire-to-Ethernet server,

That'd be your Mac then...

and, like a later-day Don Quixote I shall ride forth
with my BBC Micro under one arm, my SCSI PCI card
under the other and all sorts of ADB cables slung
around my waist . . . fear not! the outdated loony
cometh!

Phasers on stun!

Cheers,

Luis.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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Re: Best graphic lib to use with Rev cgi ?

2007-05-04 Thread jbv



Ian ,

Thanks for your reply.

Is there any example of 3D barcharts generated with ArcadeEngine ?
And is ArcadeEngine compatible with Rev 2.5 ?

Thanks,
JB

 I've no idea if it would work with Rev CGI, but ArcadeEngine does a
 nice line in 3D barcharts etc.

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Re: Best graphic lib to use with Rev cgi ?

2007-05-04 Thread xavier . bury

Hi BvG,

have you looked at SvG graphics? They sound like the right stuff for a 
cgi...

http://cairographics.org seems like a good place to start. There's also 
links for 3D Graphs and stuff...
There's other non-free libs but this one is compatibile with lots of other 
languages and it's free...
And svg graphics can be exported to other formats as well (links there 
too)...

cheers
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 Thanks for your reply.
 
 Is there any example of 3D barcharts generated with ArcadeEngine ?
 And is ArcadeEngine compatible with Rev 2.5 ?
 
 Thanks,
 JB
 
  I've no idea if it would work with Rev CGI, but ArcadeEngine does a
  nice line in 3D barcharts etc.
 
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Re: Best graphic lib to use with Rev cgi ?

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Oops, sorry, i keep confusing svg, jbv and bvg ;)
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 http://cairographics.org seems like a good place to start. There's also
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  Thanks for your reply.
 
  Is there any example of 3D barcharts generated with ArcadeEngine ?
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  Thanks,
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A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .

I wrote:

LUIS:
 
 I may yet strap a scanner to my face and plaster it
all over your e-mail :)

and Luis wrote:

Is it just me or does that just sound plain wrong?

and, frankly, it is just Luis for the very simple
reason that my face does not have an IP Address, a USB
port or a FireWire port :)

having sunk to the depths of the remark about
strapping a scanner to my face I thought I might as
well go all the way :)

Of course we can debate the morality of such an action
endlessly - anyone for a quick class in computer
ethics? It sounds extremely tedious.

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A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .

James Richards wrote:

A couple of links that might help with this:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=50512
http://lowendmac.com/network/bridge.shtml;

Thank you very much - my digestive juices are now
flowing about an OLD Mac Laser printer which is (also)
rotting in my attic in Scotland, only through my lack
of knowledge as to how to patch it into an Ethernet
network. The printer has a refillable toner cartridge
(ECO or what?) and does an extremely good job,
especially where the standard USB printers from HP and
EPSON produce jaggy-whatnots.

The BIG question is do I hump my Performa 5230CD
(which had an 10base Ethernet card bunged in it
way-back-when) and run the Laser P through that (i.e.
Laser connected to Performa via printer port and
Performa connected to Router by LAN cable), or do I
get hold of a LocalTalk-to-Ethernet adapter?

Of course the other snag about using a socking great
Performa as a print server is that it will use quite a
large amount of power for rather unnecessary
activities.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

The same goes for my old Stylewriter II, which has
nothing intrinsically wrong with it- -apart from a
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Re: Best graphic lib to use with Rev cgi ?


From: http://www.runrev.com/section/features.php

'Beautiful vector graphics engine with SVG operators'

So the transition should be fairly painless.

Cheers,

Luis.


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Hi BvG,

have you looked at SvG graphics? They sound like the right stuff for a 
cgi...


http://cairographics.org seems like a good place to start. There's also 
links for 3D Graphs and stuff...
There's other non-free libs but this one is compatibile with lots of other 
languages and it's free...
And svg graphics can be exported to other formats as well (links there 
too)...


cheers
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/05/2007 13:35:43:



Ian ,

Thanks for your reply.

Is there any example of 3D barcharts generated with ArcadeEngine ?
And is ArcadeEngine compatible with Rev 2.5 ?

Thanks,
JB


I've no idea if it would work with Rev CGI, but ArcadeEngine does a
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Re: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .

Depending on the drive space you could also use it as a file server to 
back up your projects into.


You could put Linux on it and test Linux builds...

Cheers,

Luis.


Richmond Mathewson wrote:

James Richards wrote:

A couple of links that might help with this:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=50512
http://lowendmac.com/network/bridge.shtml;

Thank you very much - my digestive juices are now
flowing about an OLD Mac Laser printer which is (also)
rotting in my attic in Scotland, only through my lack
of knowledge as to how to patch it into an Ethernet
network. The printer has a refillable toner cartridge
(ECO or what?) and does an extremely good job,
especially where the standard USB printers from HP and
EPSON produce jaggy-whatnots.

The BIG question is do I hump my Performa 5230CD
(which had an 10base Ethernet card bunged in it
way-back-when) and run the Laser P through that (i.e.
Laser connected to Performa via printer port and
Performa connected to Router by LAN cable), or do I
get hold of a LocalTalk-to-Ethernet adapter?

Of course the other snag about using a socking great
Performa as a print server is that it will use quite a
large amount of power for rather unnecessary
activities.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

The same goes for my old Stylewriter II, which has
nothing intrinsically wrong with it- -apart from a
local-talk connector.



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PPC Linux builds?

Got to thinking after a recent post: Does anyone know if the Linux 
builds are x86 only?
Many Linux distros are available on PPC platforms, check out Ubuntu, 
Fedora, SuSe, etc and let's not forget YellowDog Linux!


If the target is Linux x86 and PPC, would it take the form of a 
'Universal Binary' ala OS X or as independent standalone binaries?


Cheers,

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Re: Best graphic lib to use with Rev cgi ?

2007-05-04 Thread Richard Gaskin


Luis wrote:

From: http://www.runrev.com/section/features.php

'Beautiful vector graphics engine with SVG operators'


This is news to me.  What do they mean?

Can someone from RunRev chime in here to explain how to tap into these 
SVG operators?


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Re: PPC Linux builds?

2007-05-04 Thread Andre Garzia


Luis,

there's no such thing as linux universal binaries, you get one  
platform or the other, no way to bundle them together. Rev is only  
for x86 IIRC.


andre

On May 4, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Luis wrote:



If the target is Linux x86 and PPC, would it take the form of a  
'Universal Binary' ala OS X or as independent standalone binaries?


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Re: PPC Linux builds?


Hiya,

I assumed as much, I haven't seen the concept bandied about in Linux sites.
Still would like to know about PPC builds, or is this for the next 
revision of the engine?


Cheers,

Luis.


Andre Garzia wrote:

Luis,

there's no such thing as linux universal binaries, you get one platform 
or the other, no way to bundle them together. Rev is only for x86 IIRC.


andre

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If the target is Linux x86 and PPC, would it take the form of a 
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Re: PPC Linux builds?

2007-05-04 Thread Martin Baxter


Luis wrote:

Hiya,

I assumed as much, I haven't seen the concept bandied about in Linux sites.
Still would like to know about PPC builds, or is this for the next 
revision of the engine?


Cheers,

Luis.


Luis,

Way back when, there used to be a separate engine for PPC Linux, but 
it was dropped after version 2 (or thereabouts) as only a handful of 
people used it. That was back before Apple went to Intel, so it would be 
a big surprise to me if it were to make a comeback at this point.


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Re: Assigning IP addresses . . .

2007-05-04 Thread Roger . E . Eller

 Hence the idea that one could assign an IP address to
 some sort of USB-to-Ethernet server regardless of what
 was plugged in at the far end.

Expensive, but cool idea...
http://www.bb-elec.com/product.asp?SKU=ANYWHEREUSB/5

Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .

2007-05-04 Thread Stephen Barncard

Richmond, is your time so non-valuable you need to put yourself 
though this? These days when $250 will buy you a networkable color 
printer that you plug and play?


I've been there, done that. These kludges with old (older than 6 
years) hardware do nothing but drive you crazy and take up inordinate 
amounts of time. Always.


Example. Got the kids' old G4 Cube. Nice headless server. Runs OS X. 
But the 250 gig drive I put in it will only max out at 120 gigs 
because of firmware limitations. In spite of that, it's a pretty good 
server. But it is on the edge of it's life, and I'm sure it won't run 
OS10.5. It took a day to set up for various reasons.


Same with the old iMac from my daughter. The CD drive was out, so 
installing new software was a problem, it needs now rare and 
expensive RAM, needs WIFI and expanding the hard drive space had the 
same problem as above. I have the parts, but it was just taking too 
much time.




James Richards wrote:

A couple of links that might help with this:
Thank you very much - my digestive juices are now
flowing about an OLD Mac Laser printer which is (also)
rotting in my attic in Scotland, only through my lack
o

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



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Re: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .


Stephen,

You're certainly right; but I'm sure with Richmond that it is the  
challenge. As we get older, sometimes the challenges are as  
important to us as the time we have left to engage them.


Just my thought on the topic.

Joe  Wilkins

On May 4, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

Richmond, is your time so non-valuable you need to put yourself  
though this? These days when $250 will buy you a networkable color  
printer that you plug and play?


I've been there, done that. These kludges with old (older than 6  
years) hardware do nothing but drive you crazy and take up  
inordinate amounts of time. Always.


Example. Got the kids' old G4 Cube. Nice headless server. Runs OS  
X. But the 250 gig drive I put in it will only max out at 120 gigs  
because of firmware limitations. In spite of that, it's a pretty  
good server. But it is on the edge of it's life, and I'm sure it  
won't run OS10.5. It took a day to set up for various reasons.


Same with the old iMac from my daughter. The CD drive was out, so  
installing new software was a problem, it needs now rare and  
expensive RAM, needs WIFI and expanding the hard drive space had  
the same problem as above. I have the parts, but it was just taking  
too much time.




James Richards wrote:

A couple of links that might help with this:
Thank you very much - my digestive juices are now
flowing about an OLD Mac Laser printer which is (also)
rotting in my attic in Scotland, only through my lack
o

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



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Re: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .

2007-05-04 Thread Stephen Barncard

Anyone in the San Francisco area want to take away my old macintosh 
challenges away?? ha ha


I have a SE-30,9600,8100,7100,a wallstreet and two older Mac Laptops 
plus all the ADB and SCSI hardware you can eat, complete with a 
couple of old Pro Tools systems...


Not to mention a couple of complete Apple II computers and drives, 
one with a Atari game development system and board. Also every 
peripheral ever made for the II and the original 'Red Book'.


Any takers?

I didn't think so...

sqb



Stephen,

You're certainly right; but I'm sure with Richmond that it is the 
challenge. As we get older, sometimes the challenges are as 
important to us as the time we have left to engage them.


Just my thought on the topic.

Joe  Wilkins


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matchtext question using regex

2007-05-04 Thread ron


Regex question for use in matchtext

I want to find word A followed by word B.  (quickly)
So:
put this is my big dog called cat. into thetext
put my.{0,5}dog into reg

And
put matchtext(thetext,reg)
returns true because I use a period so it is counting characters but I 
need it to count words. I have tried various combinations of \b and \w 
to no avail.


Something like :
put my([^ ]* ){0,5}dog into reg
works but only for words followed by spaces, not punctuation for 
example. These could be included but surely there is a more elegant and 
faster way?


Can someone help me out with this?


BTW, is it true that setting the wholematches to true and using 
wordoffset only returns 'words' that are followed by a space? So that 
in the example sentence above, 'cat' is not found because it is 
followed by a period? Is this correct?



Thanks
Ron

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Re: Best graphic lib to use with Rev cgi ?

2007-05-04 Thread Klaus Major


Hi Richard,


Luis wrote:

From: http://www.runrev.com/section/features.php
'Beautiful vector graphics engine with SVG operators'


This is news to me.  What do they mean?
Can someone from RunRev chime in here to explain how to tap into  
these SVG operators?


I'm afraid this only applies to the new and now crossplatform INKS.


--
 Richard Gaskin
 Managing Editor, revJournal


Regards

Klaus Major
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Path problem with Standalone


Hi everyone,

At least I'm back to a stack that will build a standalone again; but  
when I try to add the files for my external aiff files, I cannot get  
the path to match the source path for the players. As an example: the  
first player's source path is:


/applications/Revolution Studio/2.8.0-gm-4/MusicFolder/MusicOne.aiff

but when I add the file with the Standalone setup dialog it only  
places part of the path for that file, like:


/2.8.0-gm-4/MusicFolder/MusicOne.aiff

So, when I build the standalone, the player doesn't play.

Instead of listing all of them with the Copy Files dialog, I tried  
checking the Browse for externals (or seach, whatever) in the General  
Dialog. No soup.


Any idea how I can get the full path to be used?

TIA,

Joe Wilkins


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Re: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .

Well, I can match you tit for tat plus some, but I figured they might  
one day be grist for a museum of some sort. Who knows, we may be back  
to using bows and arrows shortly if things don't improve in this  
crazy world of ours. Thanks for your sense of humor.


Joe Wilkins

On May 4, 2007, at 10:51 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

Anyone in the San Francisco area want to take away my old macintosh  
challenges away?? ha ha


I have a SE-30,9600,8100,7100,a wallstreet and two older Mac  
Laptops plus all the ADB and SCSI hardware you can eat, complete  
with a couple of old Pro Tools systems...


Not to mention a couple of complete Apple II computers and drives,  
one with a Atari game development system and board. Also every  
peripheral ever made for the II and the original 'Red Book'.


Any takers?

I didn't think so...

sqb



Stephen,

You're certainly right; but I'm sure with Richmond that it is the  
challenge. As we get older, sometimes the challenges are as  
important to us as the time we have left to engage them.


Just my thought on the topic.

Joe  Wilkins


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A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .

Stephen Barncard wrote:

Richmond, is your time so non-valuable you need to
put yourself 
though this? These days when $250 will buy you a
networkable color 
printer that you plug and play?

There are 4 interesting points about his remark:

1. I have a very nice Epson Stylus Photo R200 that
does everything we all want it to in my family via a
crappy Edimax printer server (c.f. earlier postings
under this heading).

2. I earn about $400 a month: i.e. about 4 times the
Bulgarian average (), or about the same as a
skilled surgeon. I have expensive tastes - i.e.
piano lessons for the kids, internet connexions, and
so forth - save nothing.

3. This posting had NOTHING at all to do with my real,
or imagined printing problems (there was a few side
remarks about how I might use an ancient Mac Laser
Printer - not because I didn't have another printer (I
have 2 here in Bulgaria) - but because I don't like
seeing machines lying idle and going to waste - and
because I'd rather driop my beverage of choice all
over a laser-printed sheet of paper than one from an
inkjet) - it started with an idea about how to stream
video into a RunRev stack without having to use
videoGrabber and QT/Windows Media. Inevitably (with
types like myself on board) it went badly off topic
into various nutty and not-so-nutty discussions about
how to utilise old stuff that at present resides in my
attic in Scotland and badly needs liberating.

4. Some of us ARE daft insofar as we don't see money
as the b-all-and-end-all, and I spend hours and hours
of my time working for free in a country that as a
charming diplomat once told me is totally fd in
terms of infrastructure, morals and educational
chances for all but the richest kids - why? well, not
because I am daft, but because I passionately believe
that it is rather nice to give kids a chance of a
level playing field - what they do with it, is, by and
large, another story all together.

That is why I am going back to Scotland in the summer
to dig out all my old Macs from the attic and drive
them back here in a tatty old Citreon - so that
instead of gathering dust, they can be put to good use
helping kids with brains (and, frankly, parents with
rather smaller brains) get a leg up in life. The small
amount of spare money I have will pay for that trip
rather than any fancy printers and so on.

I'm sorry Stephen if that all sounds pompous and
self-righteous - its certainly not meant to - but
sometimes I have a feeling that not all people realise
that time isn't always money - sometimes it can be
other things.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



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Re: Path problem with Standalone

2007-05-04 Thread Bill Marriott

Joe,

In the case of a standalone, wouldn't you want the path to be as generic as 
possible? Your end-users are not likely to have a 2.8.0-gm-4/ directory. I 
haven't fiddled with this on Mac OS X, but I think Beta 7 has some 
improvements in the standalone building, as well.

FWIW, the best way to handle ancillary files in standalones is, I think, to 
load up the files as custom properties (they can be compressed) then at 
runtime drop them wherever you want them to reside. This keeps the stack 
self-contained and puts the needed files in a predictable location. 



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limited time demo?

2007-05-04 Thread Robert Mann

Are there any sample scripts showing how I should do this?

I was thinking of doing it like this 

On preopenstack

IF fld dateopened is empty THEN

 put the long system date into fld dateopened

 else

*  this is where I am having trouble want to check what is in fld
datopened and make sure it is not more than 30 days old if it is don't
open the stack and post a message

 

 

end if

 

 

 

Thanks

Rob

 

 

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Re: Path problem with Standalone


Jacque, Bill:

Thanks for your time and patience. I'll digest what you've said and  
attempt to make it work. It's definitely not as simple as I had hoped  
and expected; but what is? Frankly, Jacque's explanation gives me  
more hope for it working as I think it should than does your's, Bill.  
They may be the same, but they seem different at first glance.


Thanks,

Joe Wilkins
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Re: limited time demo?

2007-05-04 Thread Phil Davis


Hi Rob,

I've done this kind of thing before:

on preOpenStack
  -- first gain access to settings
  -- (assumes this is a standalone)
  put the filename of me into tPath
  set the itemDelimiter to slash
  if the platform = MacOS then
delete item -4 to -1 of tPath
  else
delete item -1 of tPath
  end if
  put /mySettings.rev after tPath

  -- second, make sure a 30-day time limit exists
  if the uTimeLimit of stack tPath = empty then
set the uTimeLimit of stack tPath \
to (the seconds + (60*60*24*30))
save stack tPath
  end if

  -- third, check for expired time
  if the seconds  the uTimeLimit of stack tPath then
answer This demo has expired.
quit
  end if

  -- keep going if all is OK
  pass preOpenStack
end preOpenStack


HTH -
Phil Davis


Robert Mann wrote:

Are there any sample scripts showing how I should do this?

I was thinking of doing it like this 


On preopenstack

IF fld dateopened is empty THEN

 put the long system date into fld dateopened

 else

*  this is where I am having trouble want to check what is in fld
datopened and make sure it is not more than 30 days old if it is don't
open the stack and post a message

 

 


end if

 

 

 


Thanks

Rob

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Re: limited time demo?

2007-05-04 Thread Richard Gaskin


Robert Mann wrote:


Are there any sample scripts showing how I should do this?

I was thinking of doing it like this 


On preopenstack

IF fld dateopened is empty THEN

 put the long system date into fld dateopened

 else

*  this is where I am having trouble want to check what is in fld
datopened and make sure it is not more than 30 days old if it is don't
open the stack and post a message


I've written time-limited demos, and they're not only a lot of work but 
are difficult to be really secure with, and the security becomes even 
more onerous now that OSes have built-in ways to conveniently roll back 
systems.


Most of my apps use feature-limited demos, in which the program does at 
least something useful for free.  Not only are they simpler to write, 
but offer these marketing advantages:


1. Getting you app installed is the first step to making a sale.  If the 
app times out, that benefit goes away.  But if the app remains in use, 
every time it's used it serves as a marketing tool for you.  And giving 
away something useful for free means far more prospects will use it than 
a demo only.


2. The purchase price of most software is the smaller cost; far greater 
is the learning curve.  If your app does something useful for free, 
people will be willing to download it and use it, and in time perhaps 
even become dependent on it. Sooner or later they'll need something 
beyond what the free version offers, and with the commitment to using 
your product already in place the choice to pay for a license is a snap.



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Re: Path problem with Standalone

2007-05-04 Thread J. Landman Gay


Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
It's definitely not as simple as I had hoped nd expected; but what is? 


Story of my life. :) Actually, it really is simpler than it appears, but 
only if you know the underlying concepts. I think what you're getting 
stuck on are some concepts that HyperCard didn't have, so it's normal to 
be a little baffled.


The main thing here is the concept of a defaultfolder. This is the 
directory where Rev (or your standalone) will start looking for files. 
When the engine starts up, the default folder is always the one that 
contains the application. In the IDE, this is the Revolution folder. 
In your standalone, it's the folder containing your standalone bundle 
(or on Windows, the folder with the executable.)


You can change the defaultFolder in a script. If you do that, the engine 
will use the newly specified folder to look for files if the file 
reference doesn't contain a full file path. If a player or a file 
reference does use a complete file path, then Rev will use that path 
without consulting the defaultFolder.


When you add files to a standalone, the SB will place the files (on OS 
X) inside the application bundle, next to the engine file, in:


  My Standalone/Contents/MacOS/

Since the default folder on launch will be the folder containing the 
standalone, a relative file path that will work in your players (on Mac 
OS X only) would be the above, with the file name appended:


 My Standalone/Contents/MacOS/myAudioFile.aif

During development though, you'll want to play your files for testing. 
If your players are set up with relative paths then the above will fail 
because those folders don't exist outside of standalones. You'll need to 
reproduce the relative folder structure inside your test folder (which 
in your case is the Rev folder, though I think that's not a great idea. 
But anyway.)


So for testing, you'd want to create these folders inside the Rev folder:

  My Standalone/Contents/MacOS/

and put your audio files in there. That matches the paths your 
standalone will use. But hardly anyone does it this way. It's too fussy. 
There's a better way.


Many of us use a little custom function to determine the path to the 
stack, which returns the right path regardless of whether you are are in 
the IDE or running a standalone (careful of text wrap):


function appPath theStackName -- return the path of the application
  if theStackName =  then put the short name of this stack into 
theStackName

  put the effective filename of stack theStackName into thePath
  set the itemdel to /
  If (IsOSX()) then
get offset(.app/Contents/MacOS/, thePath)
if it  0 then
  delete char it to len(thePath) of thePath
end if
  end if
  delete last item of thePath
  return thePath /
end appPath

function isOSX
  set the itemDelimiter to .
  return (the platform = MacOS and item 1 of the systemVersion = 10)
end isOSX


This pair of functions will always return the path to the stack, whether 
it is in stack form (during development) or inside the bundle in a 
standalone (which is where the SB will copy your audio files.) When you 
want to play back an audio file, just set the defaultFolder before any 
of the players load:


  set the defaultFolder to appPath()

To work, your players should use relative file paths. In this case, 
since we're using appPath(), you don't need any folder reference. Your 
relative file path will just be the name of the audio file. Dump all 
your audio files into the same folder as your stack for testing. Now the 
engine will look inside the bundle for the audio files, and if your 
player paths are relative (myAudioFile.aif without any folders) then 
it will find the file and play it. If you are running in the IDE, it 
will look in the stack's folder for the files because appPath() will 
return that path.


That's just one way, there are other things you can do instead of 
setting the defaultFolder. I more often use appPath() to construct a 
filepath dynamically in scripts. For example, when the standalone starts 
up you could set all your players to absolute paths right at the start:


 put appPath()  myAudioFile.aif into tPath
 set the filename of player 1 to tPath

Now you don't have to worry about the default folder, because you've 
just set the file name to an absolute path. The above will work in both 
development and standalones, provided your audio files are in the same 
folder as your stack.


Finally, having a lot of loose files like that is sort of messy, so I 
usually put them into a containing folder. Say you've got a folder 
called Audio and all your audio files are in there. The same rules 
apply as above, but instead of using just the filename with appPath() 
you'd add the containing folder as well:


  put appPath()  Audio/myAudioFile.aif into tPath

I can't recall whether the SB will move the files into the standalone 
inside a folder (I usually just do it manually) but if it doesn't, it's 
a pretty easy step to open the

Re: Path problem with Standalone

Thanks to all of you. I didn't do exactly what I thought any of you  
said, but absorbing the essence of what you were saying led me to  
solve the problem. Now working from the Standalone. It was really  
pretty simple. I just needed to put the sound files folder into the  
folder where I was planning to save the standalone when it was built.  
This resolved all of the path issues; though I still had to use my  
fix in assigning the paths to the player objects - using the  
Application Browser rather than the object Inspector to identify each  
of the players source paths.


Joe Wilkins
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Problem setting Quicktime VR zoom, tilt, and pan settings through the property inspector

2007-05-04 Thread Stgoldberg

I am trying to set the zoom, tilt, and pan settings for a Quicktime player by 
typing their values into the Quicktime player property inspector.   However, 
this does not seem to change anything.   I presently have to write a script to 
create the zoom, tilt, and pan settings.   Am I doing something wrong?   
Should one not be able change these settings directly through the player 
property 
inspector?   I'm using Rev 2.7.4 on a Mac OSX.   Thanks.
Steve Goldberg


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Re: Path problem with Standalone

2007-05-04 Thread Devin Asay



On May 4, 2007, at 2:51 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

When you add files to a standalone, the SB will place the files  
(on OS X) inside the application bundle, next to the engine file, in:


  My Standalone/Contents/MacOS/

Since the default folder on launch will be the folder containing  
the standalone, a relative file path that will work in your players  
(on Mac OS X only) would be the above, with the file name appended:


 My Standalone/Contents/MacOS/myAudioFile.aif


I would add one subtlety to Jacque's excellent summary regarding the  
defaultFolder: In an OS X standalone, the default folder on launch is  
the folder containing the application *bundle*. That is if you never  
set the defaultFolder in your stack. If, on the other hand, you  
explicitly set the defaultFolder to the folder containing your stack,  
using a function like Jacque's, the defaultFolder will be *inside*  
the application bundle at AppName/Contents/MacOS/. It's a subtle  
distinction, but a useful one.


Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .


Ebay!

Or a museum!

Anyroad, sometimes we learn from the old.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 4 May 2007, at 18:51, Stephen Barncard wrote:

Anyone in the San Francisco area want to take away my old macintosh  
challenges away?? ha ha


I have a SE-30,9600,8100,7100,a wallstreet and two older Mac  
Laptops plus all the ADB and SCSI hardware you can eat, complete  
with a couple of old Pro Tools systems...


Not to mention a couple of complete Apple II computers and drives,  
one with a Atari game development system and board. Also every  
peripheral ever made for the II and the original 'Red Book'.


Any takers?

I didn't think so...

sqb



Stephen,

You're certainly right; but I'm sure with Richmond that it is the  
challenge. As we get older, sometimes the challenges are as  
important to us as the time we have left to engage them.


Just my thought on the topic.

Joe  Wilkins


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Re: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .