date:20070609


?

On 09/06/07, Scott Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


A "subset of the list".  No offence intended, David.  But why is it that
when people get really passionate about their favourite wheel barrow that
they are pushing that they so often seem to assume that the "silent
majority" agree with them



That is not what I tried to say - my assumption is the opposite. That there
are not enough people interested in a shared open source repository to make
the effort worth while - that is I assume that the silent majority disagree
with my view on the benefits of this.
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Re: Curious QT playback problem

2007-06-09 Thread Klaus Major


Hi Jaqueline,


Devin Asay wrote:

Jacque,

You said the user has QT Pro, right? That means she can save movies 
from the QT player. Is it possible that she has opened and saved the 
movies after having played them to the end? So that the "currentTime" 
is in effect saved with the movie. Would that then cause the movie to 
open at the end instead of at the beginning, therefore end immediately 
after they are started? If that were the case, you could just set the 
currentTime to 0 before you play the video.


Just a thought that occurred to me. I'm not even sure about the saving 
currentTime part, but it's a possibility.


Good thoughts, but... the script sets the currentTime to zero before 
each playback starts. I'm not sure saving a movie also saves its current 
time anyway; don't they always open at the beginning?


I did get more info from the customer. There is no virus checker running 
automatically (she does manual checks) so that's not the issue (so much 
for that hope.) The loop does run, she can tell because the 
corresponding images flash past. It looks like we're either going to 
have to write a special app that does some logging, or just wait till 
someone else has the problem too, to see if it is worthwhile to pursue 
it. This is when I wish I could just go to that machine and run it 
myself -- but she's in another country.


Maybe trying my "mk_libSMIL1" is a solution to your problem?

Create a SMIL file of all the sounds you want to play and then you will
only have to deal with ONE file you have to set the filename of your
player to.

Just a guess.


Regards

Klaus

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Re: transitions in rev?

2007-06-09 Thread James Z

Hey thanks, just what I need for my old eyesight.
James Z.


On 3/26/07 8:23 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ian Wood wrote:
>> On 26 Mar 2007, at 04:40, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> 
>>> Or if you have a Mighty Mouse and Tiger, you can hold down the Command
>>> key and use the scroll wheel to increase the magnification.
>> 
>> It works with *any* scrollwheel - including two-finger scrolling on
>> newer trackpads. ;-) Oh, and it's Control not Command...
> 
> Really? It's Command here. Control does nothing. Wait a sec -- I see
> now. It is settable in the Mouse and Keyboard prefs in System
> Preferences. So, we can do whatever we want with it. :)


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Image control - painting question?


If you use the paint tools on a card without an image a new image control is
created. When you start to paint in an image, a new image is not created and
you can paint inside the image (sort of).

The problem I have is that if that image is inside a group it does not work
- a new image is created so you cant hand paint the image. I don't know the
details but I was wandering if any of you kind folk out there that have
worked on coloring book type things know the details of this? Is it an IDE
specific thing or an engine thing? Can you get around it?
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Moving an Object into a Group

2007-06-09 Thread Francis Nugent Dixon


Hi,

What follows is especially for those UNSURE about objects within 
groups, but I for one began to get sloppy as I gained experience with 
Revolution, and I have sometimes the need to slap myself and go back to 
rigorous procedures :


Make sure you have the "Pointer Tool" selected. Do not leave this mode 
during the following sequences. Select "Stack Inspector" from the menu 
and select "Basic Properties" in the displayed window, so you can see 
what you are selecting.


type into the IDE Message Box:

1 - put the number of groups (do you only have one group ?)

2 - put the name of group x (1, then 2, etc. if necessary).
3 - select group "name" (use the name you got in the previous answer).

Make sure your group has a real name and not a number attributed 
automatically. Unnamed groups and objects are a sign of an untidy mind 
!


"Deselect" the "visible" tick of the group in the Stack Inspector 
window (ALL of your group objects should now disappear). Don't forget 
to select visible again, after you have identified the objects of the 
group. This is very useful - helps put your finger on the problem.


It is sure that the field you want to put in the group remains visible 
through all this rigmarole, precisely because it is not in the group. 
If it disappears at all (at all), it may even be in the wrong group !.


If you have more than 1 group, run through the sequence (commands 2 and 
3) until you have identified all the groups and ensured that they have 
intelligent names (that you can't forget !).


Select and CUT the field you want to be part of your group. Don't copy 
it, as you will end up with the field inside AND outside the group (is 
this your problem, Gregory ?)


NOTE : if you leave the original field sitting ON TOP OF your "grouped" 
field, when you put data into that field, you won't even see it, as the 
data will go into the masked grouped object of the same name ! Move the 
object. If you see another one underneath, you have an ungrouped AND a 
grouped object of the same name.


type AGAIN  - select group "name" in the Message Box (the IDE often 
forgets your previous group select, if you do something else !)


Select "Edit Group" in your Rev Menu
Don't hesitate to use the "Visible" checkbox to make sure you are where 
you should be !

Paste your field
Select "Edit Group" again (to leave the edit group mode)
Use the "visible" tick of the group in the Inspector window to ensure 
success (your group objects AND your new field should now disapear)


Clean up, save, and exit.

All this seems painful, but if you get into this habit, you'll never 
have any more problems with groups and their objects (well, at least, 
not until you start scripting them !).


I hope I didn't forget anything, and invite comments if I did 
.
.  and I'm running Rev 2.6.1, so if it's a 2.8.1 problem, at least 
this sequence will help you see the problem a little better.


Best Regards from Paris

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"


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Re: [ANN] Automated Check for Updates (was: Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?))

2007-06-09 Thread Eric Chatonet


Hi again,

For those who might prefer it, this tiny plugin is now available on  
my website too:

More time to update the website than to write the plugin...

Le 9 juin 07 à 11:27, Eric Chatonet a écrit :


Hi all,

Le 9 juin 07 à 08:56, Chipp Walters a écrit :

"I vote against this...(Can I add negative votes?). This  
functionality can
easily be had via a plugin someone can write in 10 minutes. I  
think you'll
create more problems (firewall issues, proxy servers, socket  
timeouts, etc..)

than the lone problem of a single disgruntled poster."


I took you at your word, Chipp :-)
I have to confess that I needed twenty minutes, i.e. twice more  
than you allowed ;-)


This invisible tiny plugin is on RevOnline now:
User: So Smart Software
Title: Auto Check for Updates
Description:
Just drop this invisible plugin into your plugin folder to force  
check for updates every time you launch Revolution Media, Studio or  
Enterprise.
IMPORTANT: when downloading from RevOnline, lock the "Messages"  
padlock first in Rev toolbar to prevent the stack from auto-closing  
and save it :-)


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/



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Re: Image control - painting question?

2007-06-09 Thread Wilhelm Sanke


On Sat Jun 9, 2007, David Bovill david at openpartnership.net wrote:


If you use the paint tools on a card without an image a new image 
control is
created. When you start to paint in an image, a new image is not 
created and

you can paint inside the image (sort of).

The problem I have is that if that image is inside a group it does not 
work
- a new image is created so you cant hand paint the image. I don't 
know the

details but I was wandering if any of you kind folk out there that have
worked on coloring book type things know the details of this? Is it an IDE
specific thing or an engine thing? Can you get around it?




David,

I ran into almost the same problem two months ago. We had a discussion 
about this in thread "problems with grouped images" on this list. I had 
tried to apply scripted painting on a grouped image. Probably this group 
behavior is an engine bug, because it appears both in the Rev and 
Metacard IDE..


One factor of the workaround we/I found was to move the image 
temporarily out of the group, but this was not enough. What finally did 
the trick was to "set the imagedata of img x to the imagedata of img x" 
before moving the image out of the group. Do not ask me why this helped.


For your orientation here is part of my post of April 24:

"Both problems which I reported with grouped images are resolved at this 
moment, but there was one more aspect of the drawing graphics issue no 
one of us had mentioned before.


I had also tried to move the image out of the group, but that did *not* 
work with the following script


"set the relayergroupedcontrols to true
put the layer of img "eins" into tlayer
set the layer of img "eins" to top
send "mouseup" to btn "shape distortions"
set the layer of img "eins" to tlayer
set the relayergroupedcontrols to false".

Next step: I imported a referenced image outside the group and applied 
the "distortion" button on it: Does not work.


Another step: Imported an image fully with its text data outside the 
group: Button "distortion" now shows the expected effects.


Next step: Imported an image fully with its text data into the group: 
Button "distortion" leaves the group image unaffected, but creates a new 
image outside the group containing the distortions.


There seemed to be some issue between text-of-image data and the 
imagedata, and next I tried to import a referenced image and immediately 
set its imagedata to its imagedata.
Outside a group the graphics were drawn, with the same image inside the 
group a *new* image was created as above.


Last test I performed on a referenced image inside the group:

I added the line "set the imagedata of img "eins" to the imagedata of 
img "eins"" as the first line to the script of the distortion button, 
then applied the first script above to move the image temporarily out of 
the group:


Alas, this finally works (maybe as one of more possible workarounds?)!

Thanks to all who tried to help to figure this out."

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke


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Re: HUG, Pinstripes, OSX - probably all "revisisted"


From: "Judy Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Probably only if he were wearing just the *right* pin-striped shirt ;-)


ROFL!!  With blue throbbing buttons.  

Scott
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Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?


From: "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Wow! That guy's the definition of prolific. Wonder when he sleeps?


Real programmers don't need sleep.  You know that, Chipp!  

Scott
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Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?


From: "David Bovill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

That is not what I tried to say - my assumption is the opposite. That 
there
are not enough people interested in a shared open source repository to 
make
the effort worth while - that is I assume that the silent majority 
disagree

with my view on the benefits of this.


Ah - but that's quite another thing.  A repositry of code as opposed to Rev 
being open source.  I think a lot of people would be quite happy to visit a 
repositry of code (and use the code).


Scott Kane 


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Re: Moving an Object into a Group

2007-06-09 Thread SimPLsol

Andre, Bill, Eric,
Another way to do this (move a new field into a group of buttons) is to 
1. open revNavigator (in the Plugins list in the Development menu)
2. select the card to be edited
3. in the list of card objects, the new field will appear at the bottom
4. simply "grab" the field and drag it up, into the appropriate group.

Other Navigator tricks:
1. you can select, and edit, objects that have accidentally been moved off 
screen
2. you can find objects that are invisible
3   you can locate objects that are layered under others
4. you can pull individual objects out of groups
5. you can relayer an entire card, or background group, quickly and visually.

There is probably not a single day that I don't use Navigator. I can not 
thank Geoff Canyon enough!
Paul Looney


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http://www.aol.com.
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Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread Wilhelm Sanke


On Sat Jun 9 09:15:49 CDT 2007, Scott Kane scott at cdroo.com

Ah - but that's quite another thing.  A repositry of code as opposed 
to Rev
being open source.  I think a lot of people would be quite happy to 
visit a

repositry of code (and use the code).

Scott Kane 




Aren't there quite a number of open-source repositries around? What 
about Hugh Senior's "Scripter's Scrapbook" and the many sample stacks 
available from the sites  of Rev and Metacard users or on RevOnLine?


Wilhelm Sanke



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Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?


To: 

Aren't there quite a number of open-source repositries around? What about 
Hugh Senior's "Scripter's Scrapbook" and the many sample stacks available 
from the sites  of Rev and Metacard users or on RevOnLine?


Perhaps.  Perhaps not.  Guess it depends on one's perspective.  I find 
RevOnline handy - but not always clear.  I find the Rev sites like Chipps, 
Richards, Scott R's and Sarah's (etc and apologies for those I've left out) 
very cool and very helpful and better organized (clearer).  A large 
repository detailing various code snippets and stacks would be very happy - 
especially to newer users initially - and in time helpful to others. 
Finding all the cool sites with code is no mean feat when starting out. 
While this is one of the best programming lists I know of it'd still be nice 
to go to a nice, organized site where everything is at your fingertips and 
easy to find (and explore).  As I said this is a matter of perspective and 
not perhaps of value to all.


Scott Kane 


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Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)


Chipp Walters wrote:


On 6/8/07, Richard Gaskin  wrote:


Request submitted for your voting pleasue:



My comments applied to the enhancement request:

"I vote against this...(Can I add negative votes?). This functionality can
easily be had via a plugin someone can write in 10 minutes. I think you'll
create more problems (firewall issues, proxy servers, socket timeouts, etc..)
than the lone problem of a single disgruntled poster."


While I agree that the complexities of RunRev's process makes it easier 
for a third-party to do this for them than for them to do it themselves, 
 I don't think it's an unreasonable thing to be done.


The Internet connection part of the equation is already in place, and no 
changes are proposed for that.  The only thing proposed was that the 
program trigger that check once after startup.


While a large and growing number of programs have some sort of "Check 
for Updates" menu item, I can think of very few of those which don't 
also provide a Preferences item for having this conveniently checked 
automatically.


If there is a problem with the specifics you mentioned (firewalls, 
proxies, timeouts, etc.), those are not related to this proposed minor 
feature, but are part of the existing "Check for Updates" feature.  If 
you've experienced problems running that you might consider submitting a 
BZ report outlining those so they can be addressed.


Personally, I don't think Eric wasted his time at all.  On the contrary, 
I'm very glad to see he's wrapped up that big project that's kept him so 
busy so he can resume his customary near-real-time plugin development. :)


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Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?


Scott Kane wrote:
Ah - but that's quite another thing.  A repositry of code as opposed to Rev 
being open source.  I think a lot of people would be quite happy to visit a 
repositry of code (and use the code).


Provided of course the license for such code allowed them to use it.

With literally hundreds of FOSS licenses floating around and new ones 
being written each week, and considering few if any of these have been 
tested in court to they are in the end largely speculative, unless the 
license chosen were unusually simple (like X11) it would require 10 
hours of paid legal consultation for every hour of programming saved by 
such code.  ;)


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Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

2007-06-09 Thread Chipp Walters


On 6/9/07, Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The Internet connection part of the equation is already in place, and no
changes are proposed for that.  The only thing proposed was that the
program trigger that check once after startup.

If there is a problem with the specifics you mentioned (firewalls,
proxies, timeouts, etc.), those are not related to this proposed minor
feature, but are part of the existing "Check for Updates" feature.  If
you've experienced problems running that you might consider submitting a
BZ report outlining those so they can be addressed.




Richard,
You of course are correct. But, the problem with automatic check for
updates, is that it CAN create problems when the user least expects it. When
explicitly chosing a menuitem "Check for Updates", a user understands the
context of what is about to happen (or not happen).

Launching Rev and have it hang for a series of moments, or provide a message
after a 30 second timeout, IMO, only creates more opportunity for user
dissatisfaction, more support tickets, etc..

My advice was to only to KISS. In fact, KISS is/was the mantra behind MC,
right?

I suppose I would accept a feature like the one you propose if a suitable
interface could be created and the feature turned off by default. The
suitable interface, IMO, would not be a silent try/failure/succeed, but
rather a window popping up and telling the user what is about to happen,
then going off and looking for updates and reporting back. Come to think of
it, why not just put in IN RevOnline?

best,
Chipp
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Re: [ANN] Automated Check for Updates (was: Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?))

2007-06-09 Thread Chipp Walters


Hah! Good one Eric. Now we really can delete the enhancement request.

Hmmm. took you 20 minutes? I think you are slowing down in your old age, mon
ami!
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Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?


From: "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Provided of course the license for such code allowed them to use it.

With literally hundreds of FOSS licenses floating around and new ones 
being written each week, and considering few if any of these have been 
tested in court to they are in the end largely speculative, unless the 
license chosen were unusually simple (like X11) it would require 10 hours 
of paid legal consultation for every hour of programming saved by such 
code.  ;)


Well - I've never had anytime for the FOSS licenses.  If I choose to give 
out code to people (and I have as many have) then it's free for them to do 
with as they wish providing they don't just rename it and upload it claiming 
it is their own.  But at the end of the day I'm not naive enough to think 
that that will stop anybody if they are so inclined (and many sadly are so 
inclined).  :-)


Scott 


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Re: [ANN] Automated Check for Updates (was: Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?))

2007-06-09 Thread Mark Wieder

Chipp-

Saturday, June 9, 2007, 9:21:05 AM, you wrote:

> Hmmm. took you 20 minutes? I think you are slowing down in your old age, mon
> ami!

I'm sure that was 20 minutes while he was sleeping. It would only have
been ten minutes of real time.

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Re: HUG, Pinstripes, OSX - probably all "revisisted"


I think we just need to set him to modeless. :)

Judy Perry wrote:

Probably only if he were wearing just the *right* pin-striped shirt ;-)

Judy

On Fri, 8 Jun 2007, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Scott Kane wrote:

BTW - I just noticed I wrote in the subject line "HUG" and not "HIG".
Right now I certainly would not be "HUG" ing my users though "HIG" ing
them sounds interesting.  

Maybe if you hugged them, they'd leave you alone. ;)


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Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread Ken Ray

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 01:17:41 +1000, Scott Kane wrote:

> To: 
> 
>> Aren't there quite a number of open-source repositries around? What 
>> about Hugh Senior's "Scripter's Scrapbook" and the many sample 
>> stacks available from the sites  of Rev and Metacard users or on 
>> RevOnLine?
> 
> Perhaps.  Perhaps not.  Guess it depends on one's perspective.  I 
> find RevOnline handy - but not always clear.  I find the Rev sites 
> like Chipps, Richards, Scott R's and Sarah's (etc and apologies for 
> those I've left out) very cool and very helpful and better organized 
> (clearer).  A large repository detailing various code snippets and 
> stacks would be very happy - especially to newer users initially - 
> and in time helpful to others. Finding all the cool sites with code 
> is no mean feat when starting out. While this is one of the best 
> programming lists I know of it'd still be nice to go to a nice, 
> organized site where everything is at your fingertips and easy to 
> find (and explore).  As I said this is a matter of perspective and 
> not perhaps of value to all.

Well, there is an online code repository accessible through the 
Scripters Scrapbook with 69 entries in it at the moment, and my 
intention was to mirror those entries on the web, but I haven't had the 
time. Having it in the Scrapbook though is more useful as it uses a 
consistent format, is categorized by language, author, etc.

Just my 2 cents,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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Re: Curious QT playback problem


Klaus Major wrote:


Maybe trying my "mk_libSMIL1" is a solution to your problem?


Thanks Klaus, I'd forgotten about that. If my client wants to do a 
rebuild then I'll investigate this.


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Re: Image control - painting question?


Well that looks harder than it ought to be :)

Thanks for the detailed post!
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Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

2007-06-09 Thread Bob Warren

Chipp wrote:

My comments applied to the enhancement request:

"I vote against this...(Can I add negative votes?). This functionality can
easily be had via a plugin someone can write in 10 minutes. I think you'll
create more problems (firewall issues, proxy servers, socket timeouts, etc..)
than the lone problem of a single disgruntled poster."

---
Hi Chipp,

The aim of my suggestion was to find some means of making bugfixes available to
the user at the point when they are ready rather than making him wait for the
next version release. The sort of thing I am suggesting is not a novelty, by
any means. For example, about 30% of the time when I open up my Photoshop in
Windows, the software is automatically updated (patched) in this way. But you
seem to accept this idea, which is the essence of my suggestion.

But I am a bit confused as to the meaning of the existing "check for updates" facility. I
always took it to mean "check to see if there is an entirely new version of the IDE
available". Was this introduced originally with the idea of offering updates in the form of
patches too? Or are patches actually available, but as a Studio license holder I am unlikely to
have access to them? Can you clarify?

As for whether or not there exists a little dancing icon to automatically
inform the user of available patches or new versions, to me this would be a
nice touch, but is far from essential. Others do it with no apparent trouble. I
really wouldn't mind if it were introduced via plugin or any other viable means
of providing the notification.

Bob

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Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?


Ken - I talked to Hugh about doing this work before going off to the states.
I am back now, and quite happy to mirror "Scripter's Scrapbook" to the web
backend I've got up - if Hugh is still up for that.

On 09/06/07, Ken Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well, there is an online code repository accessible through the
Scripters Scrapbook with 69 entries in it at the moment, and my
intention was to mirror those entries on the web, but I haven't had the
time. Having it in the Scrapbook though is more useful as it uses a
consistent format, is categorized by language, author, etc.

Just my 2 cents



On 09/06/07, Chipp Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:David,

Perhaps a good start would be creating your own website and posting your

code there with the appropriate license and disclaimers. Start with only a
few. As people become comfortable with using your libraries, you can start
adding more. It doesn't have to be a large project unless you really want it
to be.



OK - lets give it a try. The web site is up, but I figure it is of little
use until it is integrated into the script editor which is partly done...
I'll work on that now. I guess a question is which library to get up first -
I'll dig up the list of existing libraries and see which one people would
like most to be worked on?
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Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?


Scott Kane wrote:
A large repository detailing various code snippets and 
stacks would be very happy - especially to newer users initially - and 
in time helpful to others. Finding all the cool sites with code is no 
mean feat when starting out. While this is one of the best programming 
lists I know of it'd still be nice to go to a nice, organized site where 
everything is at your fingertips and easy to find (and explore).


I would love to see this happen. Preferably, the site would be at a 
common, public repository (SourceForge, maybe?) so that even non-Rev 
people would perhaps stumble across it. This would not only give us a 
single place to find everything, but possibly increase Revolution's 
exposure to the general public, which would be a very good thing.


Even though I read the list religiously and have lots of bookmarks to 
various Rev sites, it is still hard to remember whose site has what and 
even whether anyone has written a library or plugin for what I need. 
RevOnline doesn't offer a good search mechanism, so I'm not sure what is 
there unless I browse through hundreds of entries.


I hope someone will set this up and encourage everyone who has offerings 
to upload.


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Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

2007-06-09 Thread Mark Smith


I'd certainly add my bits and pieces to such a repository

Best,

Mark

On 9 Jun 2007, at 19:25, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Scott Kane wrote:
A large repository detailing various code snippets and stacks  
would be very happy - especially to newer users initially - and in  
time helpful to others. Finding all the cool sites with code is no  
mean feat when starting out. While this is one of the best  
programming lists I know of it'd still be nice to go to a nice,  
organized site where everything is at your fingertips and easy to  
find (and explore).


I would love to see this happen. Preferably, the site would be at a  
common, public repository (SourceForge, maybe?) so that even non- 
Rev people would perhaps stumble across it. This would not only  
give us a single place to find everything, but possibly increase  
Revolution's exposure to the general public, which would be a very  
good thing.


Even though I read the list religiously and have lots of bookmarks  
to various Rev sites, it is still hard to remember whose site has  
what and even whether anyone has written a library or plugin for  
what I need. RevOnline doesn't offer a good search mechanism, so  
I'm not sure what is there unless I browse through hundreds of  
entries.


I hope someone will set this up and encourage everyone who has  
offerings to upload.


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Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?


David Bovill wrote:


OK - lets give it a try. The web site is up, but I figure it is of little
use until it is integrated into the script editor which is partly done...
I'll work on that now. I guess a question is which library to get up 
first -

I'll dig up the list of existing libraries and see which one people would
like most to be worked on?


I appreciate the effort, David, and would love to see this online. But 
could it be moved to a place where everyone has access? Web sites change 
or go down, enthusiastic admins later run out of time or energy, people 
move on to other things. There's a bottleneck while contributors send 
their files and then need to wait for the admin to process and release 
them. At a public repository people can manage their own uploads, 
replace old files with newer versions instantly, and in general have 
more control. The libraries will also be accessible beyond the lifetime 
of a private web site. Could I convince you to take your current energy 
and apply it to something like this?


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Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?

OK - I'll make a start tonight. With regard to SourceForge it is not
possible to link their repositories directly into the Script Editor but now
that they have SVN - I can mirror code to SourceForge easily.

Does anyone have a preference for an initial library - something to start
with. My vote would be for something Html or web related - perhaps something
related to the new browser externals?  I am working on that now, and it is
less integrated into other stuff - so it would be a fresh start... but do
suggest a starting library if you want - I've got:

  - libOPN_Core.rev
  - libOPN_Browser.rev
  - libOPN_Colours.rev
  - libOPN_Data.rev
  - libOPN_DateTime.rev
  - libOPN_DragAndDrop.rev
  - libOPN_EQT.rev
  - libOPN_ExtraGeometry.rev
  - libOPN_FileAndFolder.rev
  - libOPN_Forms.rev
  - libOPN_Geometry.rev
  - libOPN_Html.rev
  - libOPN_Media.rev
  - libOPN_MenuExtras.rev
  - libOPN_Menus.rev
  - libOPN_Models.rev
  - libOPN_Movie.rev
  - libOPN_MVC.rev
  - libOPN_MVCExtras.rev
  - libOPN_Objects.rev
  - libOPN_Outline.rev
  - libOPN_ScriptExtras.rev
  - libOPN_Scripts.rev
  - libOPN_Shell.rev
  - libOPN_SIMPL.rev
  - libOPN_Stack.rev
  - libOPN_SVN.rev
  - libOPN_TreeAuthoring.rev
  - libOPN_TreeEditing.rev
  - libOPN_TreeExtras.rev
  - libOPN_Unsorted.rev
  - libOPN_Junk.rev

Junk is by far the biggest!

On 09/06/07, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Scott Kane wrote:
> A large repository detailing various code snippets and
> stacks would be very happy - especially to newer users initially - and
> in time helpful to others. Finding all the cool sites with code is no
> mean feat when starting out. While this is one of the best programming
> lists I know of it'd still be nice to go to a nice, organized site where
> everything is at your fingertips and easy to find (and explore).

I would love to see this happen. Preferably, the site would be at a
common, public repository (SourceForge, maybe?) so that even non-Rev
people would perhaps stumble across it. This would not only give us a
single place to find everything, but possibly increase Revolution's
exposure to the general public, which would be a very good thing.

Even though I read the list religiously and have lots of bookmarks to
various Rev sites, it is still hard to remember whose site has what and
even whether anyone has written a library or plugin for what I need.
RevOnline doesn't offer a good search mechanism, so I'm not sure what is
there unless I browse through hundreds of entries.

I hope someone will set this up and encourage everyone who has offerings
to upload.

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Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?


On 09/06/07, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Could I convince you to take your current energy
and apply it to something like this?



No problem! But I am not going to do this manually - cut and paste style -
so it needs to be integrated into the IDE - with a Rev based plugin - so
that people can easily publish. For now that rules out SourceForge and Yahoo
groups for me.

Repositories once open sourced can easily be copied or mirrored around the
place via SVN or CVS - and within a year or so it looks like yahoo groups
will have an API - till the unless you have any better ideas - I will go
ahead and see if people find this useful.

If you want to discuss this in more detail maybe it would be better to
contact me off list?
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Re: Moving an Object into a Group

2007-06-09 Thread Scott Morrow


Paul,
  Thanks for those tips tips about revNavigator.  I've also had  
trouble copying objects into groups on occasion.  I hadn't looked at  
revNavigator in a while and I'm glad I did.


-Scott Morrow

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On Jun 9, 2007, at 7:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Andre, Bill, Eric,
Another way to do this (move a new field into a group of buttons)  
is to

1. open revNavigator (in the Plugins list in the Development menu)
2. select the card to be edited
3. in the list of card objects, the new field will appear at the  
bottom

4. simply "grab" the field and drag it up, into the appropriate group.

Other Navigator tricks:
1. you can select, and edit, objects that have accidentally been  
moved off

screen
2. you can find objects that are invisible
3   you can locate objects that are layered under others
4. you can pull individual objects out of groups
5. you can relayer an entire card, or background group, quickly and  
visually.


There is probably not a single day that I don't use Navigator. I  
can not

thank Geoff Canyon enough!
Paul Looney

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Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)


Chipp Walters wrote:


On 6/9/07, Richard Gaskin  wrote:

If there is a problem with the specifics you mentioned (firewalls,
proxies, timeouts, etc.), those are not related to this proposed minor
feature, but are part of the existing "Check for Updates" feature.  If
you've experienced problems running that you might consider submitting a
BZ report outlining those so they can be addressed.


You of course are correct. But, the problem with automatic check for
updates, is that it CAN create problems when the user least expects it. When
explicitly chosing a menuitem "Check for Updates", a user understands the
context of what is about to happen (or not happen).

Launching Rev and have it hang for a series of moments, or provide a message
after a 30 second timeout, IMO, only creates more opportunity for user
dissatisfaction, more support tickets, etc..


How often is this a problem for the many other programs that already 
have this feature?  OS X, most/all of Adobe's, hundreds of smaller 
products, Microsoft Windows



My advice was to only to KISS. In fact, KISS is/was the mantra behind MC,
right?


Absolutely, but the question here is whether asking users to go to a web 
site to check for updates, download it if there is one, and install it 
(which the MC IDE requires now) is simpler than at least letting the 
user know an update is available and providing an option to download it 
automatically.



I suppose I would accept a feature like the one you propose if a suitable
interface could be created and the feature turned off by default.


I agree it should be optional, as most programs that support it do.  I'm 
on the fence about whether the default should have it off. I'm inclined 
to agree that would be the better option, but I'd have to hear the 
arguments from the many vendors who've chosen otherwise to feel 
confident about it.


Since the feature doesn't exist at all, I see no harm in a first-pass 
implementation that added it with the default being off.



The suitable interface, IMO, would not be a silent try/failure/succeed, but
rather a window popping up and telling the user what is about to happen,
then going off and looking for updates and reporting back.


I believe that's how most vendors handle it.


Come to think of it, why not just put in IN RevOnline?


Isn't RevOnline turned on by default?

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command line parameter in a variable

2007-06-09 Thread Scott Morrow


I'm trying to write a loop for multiple command line parameters such as

$1
$2
$3
< etc >

How can I do this using a variable for the number such as

$i

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Re: command line parameter in a variable

2007-06-09 Thread Jim Ault

open Rev
open Documentation
click Search
click Web Database
type in 'shell', hit enterkey
dbl clk on Ken Ray's Sons of Thunder site
go to the bottom of the page in the section "Command Line/Shell Indo'


On 6/9/07 1:30 PM, "Scott Morrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm trying to write a loop for multiple command line parameters such as
> 
> $1
> $2
> $3
> < etc >
> 
> How can I do this using a variable for the number such as
> 
> $i
> 
> -Scott Morrow
> 
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Re: command line parameter in a variable

2007-06-09 Thread Trevor DeVore


On Jun 9, 2007, at 1:30 PM, Scott Morrow wrote:

I'm trying to write a loop for multiple command line parameters  
such as


$1
$2
$3
< etc >

How can I do this using a variable for the number such as

$i


Use "value":

repeat with i = 1 to 3
put value("$" & i) into theValue
-- Do something with the value
end repeat

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Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

2007-06-09 Thread Trevor DeVore


On Jun 9, 2007, at 8:40 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

If there is a problem with the specifics you mentioned (firewalls,  
proxies, timeouts, etc.), those are not related to this proposed  
minor feature, but are part of the existing "Check for Updates"  
feature.  If you've experienced problems running that you might  
consider submitting a BZ report outlining those so they can be  
addressed.


Reading this reminded me that I needed to file an enhancement request  
for PAC files and the WPAD protocol. Revolution apps that access the  
internet do not work in corporate networks that use Proxy Auto- 
Configuration files (PAC) files since the developer does not know  
what ip address to set the httpproxy property to. Along with PAC  
support Revolution should also support the Web Proxy Auto-Discovery
(WPAD) protocol which automatically detects the location of PAC files  
on the network.


I've filed an enhancement request:

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5138

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Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

2007-06-09 Thread Chipp Walters


Bob,

Updating Rev each time a bug fix is made, could be a dicey proposition, as
typcially after a bug is fixed, there still should be unit testing, then
more inside testing, then beta testing, then rc testing, etc. to make sure
fixing the bug didn't break other stuff. I think Rev has taken the position
to do all this in the same cycle, which for a company with limited
resources, is a good way (IMO) to go.

The existing architecture of course could do just as you suggest. But my
biggest fear with a system like this would be we would never end up with a
fairly stable release. The complexity of Rev could create unforseen problems
when fixing one bug only to see a ripple effect of it creating many more.

Richard,

As I think you know, I use our own MagicCarpet updater (both automatic and
manual), for all of our projects. I suppose I've got around 30-40
applications serviced by MagicCarpet in this way. My experience tells me for
those programs which do not need internet access, it is better to go the
manual update way, for the reasons I've already given-- mainly much  less
support hassle when individuals are in situations where they have no
internet connection.

best,

Chipp
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Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?


David Bovill wrote:

On 09/06/07, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Could I convince you to take your current energy
and apply it to something like this?



No problem! But I am not going to do this manually - cut and paste style -
so it needs to be integrated into the IDE - with a Rev based plugin - so
that people can easily publish. For now that rules out SourceForge and 
Yahoo

groups for me.


I didn't have anything that sophisticated in mind. I'd just like to see 
a public repository where anyone could upload their libraries and 
plugins. Integration never crossed my mind; mostly I'd just like to see 
everything stored in one place.


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Re: command line parameter in a variable

2007-06-09 Thread Scott Morrow


Ah, I forgot to put the dollar sign in quotes!  Thanks.

-Scott Morrow

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On Jun 9, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:


On Jun 9, 2007, at 1:30 PM, Scott Morrow wrote:

I'm trying to write a loop for multiple command line parameters  
such as


$1
$2
$3
< etc >

How can I do this using a variable for the number such as

$i


Use "value":

repeat with i = 1 to 3
put value("$" & i) into theValue
-- Do something with the value
end repeat

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Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?


From: "J. Landman Gay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I would love to see this happen. Preferably, the site would be at a 
common, public repository (SourceForge, maybe?) so that even non-Rev 
people would perhaps stumble across it. This would not only give us a 
single place to find everything, but possibly increase Revolution's 
exposure to the general public, which would be a very good thing.


Agreed.  Though I suspect SourceForge is so vast as to make it difficult for 
a newbie to locate Rev stuff.


Even though I read the list religiously and have lots of bookmarks to 
various Rev sites, it is still hard to remember whose site has what and 
even whether anyone has written a library or plugin for what I need. 
RevOnline doesn't offer a good search mechanism, so I'm not sure what is 
there unless I browse through hundreds of entries.


Same here.

I hope someone will set this up and encourage everyone who has offerings 
to upload.


Clearly, from comments on this list, this idea has been toyed with.  I have 
both the server space and a domain name that can do it, but I won't move 
forward until I either ascertain nobody is going to do it or that efforts to 
do it don't go anywhere.  Then again - I might decide just to go ahead with 
it.  If the community indicates I should go ahead then I'll just do it 
anyway.  :-)


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Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20 years ago?