Re: Caricature challenge

[Chipp Walters]

Wilhelm,

Perhaps you may find it humorous making fun of another country's leader.
Obviously, Stephen did. Some of us who live in Texas, don't share your
beliefs, and find this forum NOT the correct place for such foolishness. And
anyone telling me to "lighten up" about something I feel strongly about is
certainly even more disrespecting.

I would never do a similar thing to your country's leader-- and even if I
did, I certainly wouldn't find myself posting it here on this forum.

I would suggest you get a blog and post your nonsense there.

-Chipp
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Re: German Revolutionboard down for a moment

[Malte Brill]

http://www.revolutionboard.de

Up and running again. Thanks to Sascha for all the hard work.

All the best,

Malte
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Re: Standalone Build Error

[Sarah Reichelt]

> I have a 9 MB project with 450 cards. Everything works fine within the
> Revolution application environment.
>
> But when I attempt to save it as a standalone application, I get an error that
> stops the build. This happens about two hours into the build, during "Removing
> development properties..."
>
> The error message looks like this:
>
> ! There was an error while saving the standalone application.
>
> 91,1520,21
> 77,1520,21
> 456,1520,8
> 198,1520,30
> 181,1520,30
> 252,1520,1
> 587,1494,1
> 241,1494,1  RevCopyExternals
> 353,0,0stack "revSaveAsStandalone" of Stack"/Applications/Revolution
> Enterprise/2.8.1-gm-3/Toolset/revstandalonesettings.rev"
> 573,299,1
> 490,294,1
> 241,294,1  revCreateStandalone
> 353,0,0 stack "RevSaveAsStandalone"
> of stack"/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/2.8.1-gm-3/Toolset/
> revstandalonesettings.rev"
> 573,119,1
>

The error message translates to "can't find stack". In the standalone
settings, do you refer to any other stack? Is the stack where it
should be? Are you using any externals and if so, do you have them for
all the platforms you are building for.

However, a build time of more than 2 hours seems to indicate that
something is seriously wrong. While I have never tried to compile a
stack with 450 cards, I have built apps with a lot more than 9 MB and
they take less than a minute to build.

Are you using "Search for required inclusions" or do you select the
required inclusions yourself? If you are using the search, I strongly
recommend that you turn it off and see if that helps.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Standalone Build Error

[Ted]

Standalone Build Error

Mac 0S 10.5
Revolution Version 2.8.1-Build 472



I have a 9 MB project with 450 cards. Everything works fine within the
Revolution application environment.

But when I attempt to save it as a standalone application, I get an error that
stops the build. This happens about two hours into the build, during "Removing
development properties..."

The error message looks like this:

! There was an error while saving the standalone application.

91,1520,21
77,1520,21
456,1520,8
198,1520,30
181,1520,30
252,1520,1
587,1494,1
241,1494,1  RevCopyExternals
353,0,0stack "revSaveAsStandalone" of Stack"/Applications/Revolution
Enterprise/2.8.1-gm-3/Toolset/revstandalonesettings.rev"
573,299,1
490,294,1
241,294,1  revCreateStandalone
353,0,0 stack "RevSaveAsStandalone"
of stack"/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/2.8.1-gm-3/Toolset/
revstandalonesettings.rev"
573,119,1


Does anyone know how I can get the train back on the track?

Thanks,

Ted




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Re: System backgrounds in OS X

[Ian Wood]

Thanks for the clarification!

Ian

On 18 Dec 2007, at 18:24, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Ian Wood wrote:
I'm probably mixing up terminology here, but aren't the windows   
*content* regions on OS X always white, no matter which version of  
OS X?


That's a good question.  From the user's perspective, the "content  
region" is where they put their content, be it a drawing space or a  
field for typing or whatever, separate from any toolbars or other  
controls which may exist in that window.


In this context I'm using "content region" in the generic sense used  
in Inside Mac, referring to the whole interior of the window below  
the title bar and within the window's edges.


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Re: Caricature challenge

[Stephen Barncard]

Seeing that was the first time I'd felt sorry for the guy. Ever.



I hope I do not cause trouble with this attempt of a caricature - as 
it happens in other parts of the world. Bush is indeed a known 
public figure and  as such often the object of caricatures.


Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke



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Re: RGB colours

[Sarah Reichelt]

On Dec 19, 2007 5:47 AM, David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I want to be able to translate between colorname and rgb tripplets. AFAIK
> there is still no built in way to do this. In the past I created a lookup
> array by setting the bgcolor of an object to  each of the colornames and
> retrieving the bgcolor (which used to be an rgb tripplet) - now however I
> get back the colorname? This seems to have changed from earlier versions?

Here is a function I gleaned from the list a long time ago.

function translateColorName pColorName
   lock screen
   lock messages
   create btn "ColorTest"
   put it into tButtonID
   set the backcolor of tButtonID to pColorName
   get the effective backpixel of tButtonID
   set the backcolor of tButtonID to empty
   set the backpixel of tButtonID to it
   put the backcolor of tButtonID into tRGB
   delete tButtonID

   return tRGB
end translateColorName


HTH,
Sarah
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Re: Caricature challenge

[Wilhelm Sanke]

On Mon Dec 17, 2007, Ken Ray kray at sonsothunder.com wrote:


 The only thing I could
think of would be to make it a multi-step process:

1) Take the original image (img "orig"), duplicate it (img "dupe") and
lock its loc.
2) Set the rect of "dupe" to the same size as the polygon
3) Make a new image object (img "stretch") that has the same size as
the copy.
4) Set the imageData of the "stretch" to the imageData of "dupe"
5) Set the backgroundPattern of the polygon to "stretch"

This of course couldn't happen dynamically in real time without
stuttering, etc., especially on larger images. I miss SuperCard's
manipulation of pictureData in Revolution (you can do all sorts of
other things too like setting offsets, magnification etc.) - it would
be a great addition to Rev...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.




In my reply of Nov 29 to thread "Any suggestions on how to "onion 
skinning"?" I had mentioned some new features of my upcoming release of 
the "Imagedata Toolkit" - among them


"copying - and enlarging or shrinking - and pasting oval or rectangular 
portions of an image into the same or another image with variable fringe 
and/or overall blending into the basic image)."


I applied this to a photo of a not unknown public figure, the result can 
be inspected here:


.

To achieve this I used a number of steps, in which about two of Ken's 
five steps are applied, but most of which follow a  different sequence 
and are of another  nature.


The basis for the "copying - and enlarging or shrinking - and pasting 
oval or rectangular portions of an image"  are rects, ovals, and 
polygons in the form of images with transparent fringes of different sizes.


I use a rectangular or oval graphic as a selection tool that can be 
resized and dragged  across the photo to select a portion of it (This 
selection tool is similar to that used in my "seamless tiles 2" stack).
The underlying image - the partially tranparent basic template - is then 
adjusted in location  and size  to the selected portion of  the photo. 
At the same time an already existing empty image "newimage" is  also set 
to  the selected portion of the image.
The imagedata of  the selected portion  of the photo are then read  into 
the "newimage", and the alphadata of the template are applied to the 
"newimage".


You can then enlarge or shrink  "newimage" or leave  it as it  is and 
drag it to any place  on the photo. You can  also flip "newimage".


Next step is to integrate the image- and alphadata of "newimage" into 
the photo, either once or several times at different places. This 
integration can be applied with variable levels of blending,  in 
addition to the transparent fringe of the template that ensures optimal 
blending into the photo.


If an enlarged portion  of  "newimage" should have been dragged to a 
position where it overlaps the rect of the photo, the overlapping parts 
of "newimage" are then cut off in the process of integration.-


For  "SmilingBush" I have only used a single oval template. The star -  
taken from the left side - on his forehead - is partially blended. One 
of the flags - taken from his lapel - has been flipped.-


I hope I do not cause trouble with this attempt of a caricature - as it 
happens in other parts of the world. Bush is indeed a known public 
figure and  as such often the object of caricatures.


Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke




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Re: Kiosk App to Move Back on Top

[Sivakatirswami]

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

If so, how exactly do we do that?  Infact I want to actually close
Safari's Top window (so that the next user comes into Safari with a
default page)   I suppose that will require a touch of applescript.
(of which I know virtually zero)



  


Ken, Sarah:

Thank you, great... it works!


Here are the Applescripts you will need. Assembe them as usual and "do
using AppleScript".

To close the top window:
tell application "Safari"
close window 1
end tell

To close all windows:
tell application "Safari"
close the windows
end tell

HTH,
Sarah
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Re: R click vs L Click

[jcwall]

Devin:

Many thanks for the tip.  I did actually try the documentation but got hung up 
on mouseButtonNumber, which is what I thought I would need.  As I have read so 
many times on this list, the answer is usually in the documentation, if you 
know where to look.

Jim

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- Original Message -
From: Devin Asay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: R click vs L Click
To: How to use Revolution 

> Jim,
> 
> That information gets sent as a paramter with the mouseUp and  
> mouseDown messages. So if you do:
> 
> on mouseUp pBtnNum
>--
> end mouseUp
> 
> The mouse button will be in the pBtnNum variable. 1 is left button, 2  
> 
> is the middle button and 3 is right button. See the dictionary  
> entries for the various mouse click messages for more information. It  
> 
> works on all platforms that support > 1 mouse button, which is pretty  
> 
> much all of them now.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Devin
> 
> 
> On Dec 18, 2007, at 11:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > I have been trying to see if I can distinguish which mouse button  
> > was used to click on a button but without success.  Is this  
> > possible and if so is it cross platform?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -
> > James C. Wall, PhD
> > Professor
> > Department of Physical Therapy
> > University of South Alabama
> > 1504 Springhill Avenue, Room 1214
> > Mobile AL 36604
> > Phone:  (251) 434 3575
> >   Fax:  (251) 434 3822
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Re: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO

[David Bovill]

Has anyone tried using the Quicktime XML format for the same purpose - I was
thinking of giving it a go as it seems to be actually used - ie server side.
These are the links I've looked at - though nothing coded yet in Rev:

   -
   
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/QuickTime/WhatsNewQT5/QT5NewChapt1/chapter_1_section_39.html
   -
   
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/QuickTime/QT6WhatsNew/Chap1/chapter_1_section_53.html
   -
   
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/QuickTime/QT4WebPage/samplechap/special-11.html
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RGB colours

[David Bovill]

I want to be able to translate between colorname and rgb tripplets. AFAIK
there is still no built in way to do this. In the past I created a lookup
array by setting the bgcolor of an object to  each of the colornames and
retrieving the bgcolor (which used to be an rgb tripplet) - now however I
get back the colorname? This seems to have changed from earlier versions?

Any ideas?
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Re: R click vs L Click

[Devin Asay]

Jim,

That information gets sent as a paramter with the mouseUp and  
mouseDown messages. So if you do:


on mouseUp pBtnNum
  --
end mouseUp

The mouse button will be in the pBtnNum variable. 1 is left button, 2  
is the middle button and 3 is right button. See the dictionary  
entries for the various mouse click messages for more information. It  
works on all platforms that support > 1 mouse button, which is pretty  
much all of them now.


HTH

Devin


On Dec 18, 2007, at 11:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have been trying to see if I can distinguish which mouse button  
was used to click on a button but without success.  Is this  
possible and if so is it cross platform?


Jim

-
James C. Wall, PhD
Professor
Department of Physical Therapy
University of South Alabama
1504 Springhill Avenue, Room 1214
Mobile AL 36604
Phone:  (251) 434 3575
  Fax:  (251) 434 3822
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Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: R click vs L Click

[jcwall]

Malte:

That worked for me on the Mac, so presumably will work on a PC which is two 
button friendly.

Many thanks

Jim

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Professor
Department of Physical Therapy
University of South Alabama
1504 Springhill Avenue, Room 1214
Mobile AL 36604
Phone:  (251) 434 3575
  Fax:  (251) 434 3822

- Original Message -
From: Malte Brill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: R click vs L Click
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com

> Hi,
> 
> try passing a parameter with mouseUp / mouseDown and the doubles:
> 
> on mouseUp pBut
> if pBut=1 then answer "Left click"
> if pBut=3 then answer "Right click"
> if pBut=2 then answer "Middle click"
> end mouseUp
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
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Re: revFont custom font

[Adrian Williams]

Shari,
TrueType files on Mac OSX don't have the ttf extension - just the  
font name.

Mac OS9 can have .ttf.
Adrian
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On 18 Nov 2007, at 02:38, Shari wrote:


True Type Fonts (TTFs) should work on both Mac and Windows.


The Windows version of the fonts is ttf, so I'll go with that.  The  
Mac version is some sort of importer document, no clue.  I was  
looking thru my own installed fonts, most of which came with the  
computer, and there are several different types installed,  
including ttf.


Now will come the harder choice... which font to choose out of 50  
really cool choices :-)


Shari
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Re: R click vs L Click

[Malte Brill]

Hi,

try passing a parameter with mouseUp / mouseDown and the doubles:

on mouseUp pBut
if pBut=1 then answer "Left click"
if pBut=3 then answer "Right click"
if pBut=2 then answer "Middle click"
end mouseUp

Hope that helps,

Malte
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Re: R click vs L Click

[Richard Gaskin]

jcwall wrote:

> I have been trying to see if I can distinguish which mouse
> button was used to click on a button but without success.
>  Is this possible and if so is it cross platform?

Yes and yes.

The mouseDown and mouseUp messages are sent with a parameter which tells 
you which button was pressed to trigger the message.  Because UNIX 
systems commonly have three buttons all three are supported, numbered 1 
through 3 from left to right:


on mouseDown pButton
  if pButton = 3 then DoRightClick
  else doLeftClick
end mouseDown


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R click vs L Click

[jcwall]

I have been trying to see if I can distinguish which mouse button was used to 
click on a button but without success.  Is this possible and if so is it cross 
platform?

Jim

-
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Professor
Department of Physical Therapy
University of South Alabama
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Mobile AL 36604
Phone:  (251) 434 3575
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Re: System backgrounds in OS X

[Richard Gaskin]

Ian Wood wrote:
I'm probably mixing up terminology here, but aren't the windows  
*content* regions on OS X always white, no matter which version of OS X?


That's a good question.  From the user's perspective, the "content 
region" is where they put their content, be it a drawing space or a 
field for typing or whatever, separate from any toolbars or other 
controls which may exist in that window.


In this context I'm using "content region" in the generic sense used in 
Inside Mac, referring to the whole interior of the window below the 
title bar and within the window's edges.


Windows of style modeless, modal, and palette automatically take on the 
appropriate OS color/pattern one would expect, but toplevel windows in 
Rev do not, and programmatically it's far simpler to leave document 
windows in an app as toplevel, and reserve modeless for specialized 
auxiliary views and/or controls.  And on Windows, modeless is a 
radically different window style altogether, completely unsuitable for 
documents.


What Rev does with making every toplevel stack white is appropriate for 
drawing applications, which are ironically uniquely difficult to make in 
Rev as opposed to, say, SuperCard.


For more common uses, like forms or really just about anything else, the 
standard OS appearance would be more appropriate.


Frankly it's surprising that support for common native appearance of 
toplevel windows has been left out of all upgrades to date, even as it's 
available on Windows.


Hopefully a little nudging via votes will see this addressed.  Thank you 
for turning up the original request - I've marked the new one as a 
duplicate and closed it, referring to the original you found:




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Re: System backgrounds in OS X

[Ian Wood]

I'm probably mixing up terminology here, but aren't the windows  
*content* regions on OS X always white, no matter which version of OS X?


Apologies if I've just got the words wrong, and no matter the words,  
the sentiment is one I agree with...


Ian

P.S. Your request appears to be a duplicate of ...


On 18 Dec 2007, at 17:43, Richard Gaskin wrote:

On Windows, setting the backgroundColor of a stack lets it adopt the  
current system color for window content regions.


Alas, I know of no way to do this on OS X.  Is there?

Historically, I've diligently made an image of the latest OS X  
striped pattern and set the backgroundPattern of my toplevel windows  
to that.


Now with Leopard the stripes are gone in favor of NeXT-like grey.

If we adopted the same convention we have on Windows for OS X we'd  
be set, so I added this item to the request queue for your voting  
pleasure:




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System backgrounds in OS X

[Richard Gaskin]

On Windows, setting the backgroundColor of a stack lets it adopt the 
current system color for window content regions.


Alas, I know of no way to do this on OS X.  Is there?

Historically, I've diligently made an image of the latest OS X striped 
pattern and set the backgroundPattern of my toplevel windows to that.


Now with Leopard the stripes are gone in favor of NeXT-like grey.

If we adopted the same convention we have on Windows for OS X we'd be 
set, so I added this item to the request queue for your voting pleasure:




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Re: blendlevel of stack/window

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Peter Brigham wrote:

> I'm experimenting with blendlevels, with some success, but it's trial
> and error, like everything. The docs say that a blendlevel of 0 is
> transparent, 100 is opaque, and this is true for images and other
> objects (nifty effects!), but for stacks it's the opposite

Not sure if your docs are written wrong, but blendLevel has always been
0 = no blending
100 = full blending (invisible)

You might try using the message box as a test:
  set the blendLevel of this stack to 20

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Re: blendlevel of stack/window

[André.Bisseret]

Hi Peter,
In my doc (dictionnary), I read :



Le 7 déc. 07 à 23:46, Peter Brigham a écrit :

I'm experimenting with blendlevels, with some success, but it's  
trial and error, like everything. The docs say that a blendlevel of  
0 is transparent, 100 is opaque,


Here, in the docs of Rev 2.8.1 (Enterprise) it is :

Value:
The blendLevel of an object is an integer between zero and 100.
By default, the blendLevel property of newly created objects is set  
to 0.


Comments:
If an object's blendLevel is zero, the object is fully opaque. If the  
blendLevel is 100, the object is fully transparent. Values between  
zero and 100 indicate levels of partial translucency.


and this is true for images and other objects (nifty effects!), but  
for stacks it's the opposite -- when I set the blendlevel of a  
stack to 100 it's transparent, and 0 is opaque. I'm fading a splash  
stack into view with a repeat loop in an openstack handler on card  
1, and I have to go back down from 100 rather than up from 0 as I  
expected for a fade-in. This seems like a bug, no? Mac iBook G4,  
OSX 10.4.1, Studio 2.8.1 build 471.



The following handler (in the script of the splash stack)  works here :

ON openStack
  set the blendlevel of stack "SpashStack" to "0"
  show stack "SpashStack"
  wait 2 sec
  REPEAT while the blendlevel of stack "SpashStack" < 100
set the blendlevel of stack "SpashStack" to (the blendlevel of  
stack "SpashStack" + 1)

wait FOR 1 ticks
  END repeat
 open stack "mainStack"
END openStack

Best regards from Grenoble
André
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Re: TWAIN and RunRev

[Roger . E . Eller]

Kurt Kaufman wrote:
> Is it possible to access scanners, etc. via TWAIN from Revolution?
>
> Thanks, Kurt

I have used a dynamsoft solution for adding TWAIN capability to my apps.
The method I used passes scanner params to a command-line exe which can
either pass the scan back into Rev via the clipboard or a saved file. With
Rev 2.9 the ActiveX control has potential. They have a free trial with code
examples in various languages.

http://www.dynamsoft.com/Products/TWAIN_Overview.aspx

Roger Eller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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blendlevel of stack/window

[Peter Brigham]

I'm experimenting with blendlevels, with some success, but it's trial  
and error, like everything. The docs say that a blendlevel of 0 is  
transparent, 100 is opaque, and this is true for images and other  
objects (nifty effects!), but for stacks it's the opposite -- when I  
set the blendlevel of a stack to 100 it's transparent, and 0 is  
opaque. I'm fading a splash stack into view with a repeat loop in an  
openstack handler on card 1, and I have to go back down from 100  
rather than up from 0 as I expected for a fade-in. This seems like a  
bug, no? Mac iBook G4, OSX 10.4.1, Studio 2.8.1 build 471.


-- Peter

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[OT] SheepShaver and printing...

[Jack Stroh]

Did you ever get an answer regarding printing with sheepshaver? Thanks.

Jack Stroh

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German Revolutionboard down for a moment

[Malte Brill]

Hi all,

just wanted to let you know that the german Revolution board

http://www.revolutionboard.de

is down at the moment. Sorry for the inconvenience to all users.

We need to figure out what is happening and I haven´t got hold of our  
admin as yet.


All the best,

Malte

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TWAIN and RunRev

[Kurt Kaufman]

Thanks, Derek.  I'll investigate the links you provided.

Kurt
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Re: TWAIN and RunRev

[Derek Bump]

I've been looking for a TWAIN solution for Revolution for quite some
time.  Unfortunately, the only solution I can find is to use a TWAIN
command line interface that costs from $199 to $1,099 for royalty free
use.  This would be a solution for Windows machines.  I don't know about
the Mac (it may even be built in).

http://www.brothersoft.com/twain-commander-26877.html
http://www.burrotech.com/quickscan.php
http://www.twain.org/

You may also want to look into SANE, which is some sort of updated
version of TWAIN (don't quote me).

http://www.ellert.se/twain-sane/
http://www.sane-project.org/


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

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> 
> Thanks, Kurt
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TWAIN and RunRev

[Kurt Kaufman]

Is it possible to access scanners, etc. via TWAIN from Revolution?

Thanks, Kurt
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Re: My Enterprise has been sold.

[Andres Martinez]

Hello Wolfgang

A few weeks ago I posted a manual process I used to export a SWF from  
within my applications.


If you are interested write me offlist and I will forward it again to  
you.


Regards,
Andres Martinez
www.baKno.com

On Dec 18, 2007, at 5:55 AM, Wolfgang Bereuter wrote:



On 17.12.2007, at 18:59, Lynn Fredricks wrote:


I hope in the year(s) ahead Rev can finally rethink cost of
renewal for Studio so I wont have to be priced out of
ownership like I had been with Enterprise. Just a plea.


Figure out a way to offset the cost by doing a small project for  
someone.
Now and then I know Id love to have a project that could do X, and  
sometimes
it just doesn't get done because our engineering resources are  
strapped or
it isnt central to our overall development. Now if you consider  
your time
worth hundreds of dollars an hour, then the cost of upgrading  
Studio or
Enterprise is a small proportion of that and you shouldn't have  
much to
complain about. But if you arent at that point, then maybe getting  
someone

else to pay your upgrade costs is a possibility.



Lynn,
FOA: make Studio exporting simply(!!) to the two Flash formats. Then  
you will have millions, which can do do some small projekt for  
someone (or theirself). Then you(!) can rethink eaysily and relaxed  
the cost/price of renewal for Studio. (I mentioned the lack of swf  
export since years.)


(Sorry if im not up to date, i m reading the rev list rarely now.)

regards
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Re: My Enterprise has been sold.

[Wolfgang Bereuter]

On 17.12.2007, at 18:59, Lynn Fredricks wrote:


I hope in the year(s) ahead Rev can finally rethink cost of
renewal for Studio so I wont have to be priced out of
ownership like I had been with Enterprise. Just a plea.


Figure out a way to offset the cost by doing a small project for  
someone.
Now and then I know Id love to have a project that could do X, and  
sometimes
it just doesn't get done because our engineering resources are  
strapped or
it isnt central to our overall development. Now if you consider  
your time
worth hundreds of dollars an hour, then the cost of upgrading  
Studio or
Enterprise is a small proportion of that and you shouldn't have  
much to
complain about. But if you arent at that point, then maybe getting  
someone

else to pay your upgrade costs is a possibility.



Lynn,
FOA: make Studio exporting simply(!!) to the two Flash formats. Then  
you will have millions, which can do do some small projekt for  
someone (or theirself). Then you(!) can rethink eaysily and relaxed  
the cost/price of renewal for Studio. (I mentioned the lack of swf  
export since years.)


(Sorry if im not up to date, i m reading the rev list rarely now.)

regards
wolfgang bereuter

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Re: Multi-Tasking on Rev - Was copy large files in Rev on Mac

[xavier . bury]

Hi Dave,

The communications is made without communication of any sort. This allows 
things to be queud like transaction logs for DBs and there is no timeout 
issues ever.

What i did is the following:
- One app that generates batch commands in a transaction folder and every 
5 generations, launches an agent that executes those (a simple for loop in 
a batch). The batch commands write a log and then delete themselves. This 
app stays active all the time.
- One app that looks at a log folder for (of all things!) log files - if 
any are present, processing starts to read the files, process the output 
and send that to the DBs for later display - this app stays active all the 
time.
- One reporting app, it just reads my DB files and does the reporting, 
charts, exports if needed, etc...

I could have used some socket protocols but in our environment, firewalls 
rule and those in charge of the firewalls require too much paperwork and 
time to implement them - if and when they get it right too :)

For some other purposes, you could also have your application master clone 
and launch other applications - thus creating some sort of threads (with a 
rather heavy overhead for your memory compared to real threads). This was 
my first idea but the batches do the same much more efficiently. To work 
with these clones, you would need to create settings files for each clone 
assuming they recognize their own settings files - such as 
settings_cloneAppNameID.ini - which is just a text file comprising your 
parameters - although you could also use arguments when launching it, i 
haven't tested them...

I liked the simple approach of batches... Light, fast and easy to debug 
thanks to the logs. Just for the sake of it, i also write a transaction 
log to keep track of what happens each day.

Hope that helps
Cheers
-=-
Xavier Bury


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 18/12/2007 10:59:20:

> Hi,
> 
> I have the same problem but creating a database rather than copying a 
> file.
> 
> Xavier, you said you split an App into a number of smaller Apps to 
> achieve this, how did you communicate between the Apps? I can see you 
> can use AppleEvents on Mac, but how do you do it on windows?
> 
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
> 
> On 5 Dec 2007, at 12:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Hi Klaus,
> >
> > Welcome to the "We Need Threads In Rev" club :))
> >
> > The only way to get around this limitation is to write some extra 
> > compiled
> > applications to do the work to be threaded...
> > If you remember i just recently split a big application into 
> > smaller parts
> > because of this too...
> >
> > Problem is that one could eat your cpu doing the processing while the
> > others wait for CPU threads. Even with 4 CPUs...
> >
> > Triple the work per thread but oh well...
> >
> > How long until CPU safe threads come to rev? Anyone? Anyone?
> >
> > cheers
> > Xavier
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/12/2007 13:18:42:
> >
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Paste data from Excel not working in 2.9.0-dp-2?

[Ton Kuypers]

Hi,

In 2.8, I could paste data from Excel, the clipboard contains plain  
text which I can process and use.
Wen using 2.9 the clipboard function returns "image" when I copy  
something from Excel...


Is this a known bug or should I enter it in Bugzilla?
I've only tested it on OS X, not sure if it works on Windows...


Warm regards,

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Multi-Tasking on Rev - Was copy large files in Rev on Mac

[Dave]

Hi,

I have the same problem but creating a database rather than copying a  
file.


Xavier, you said you split an App into a number of smaller Apps to  
achieve this, how did you communicate between the Apps? I can see you  
can use AppleEvents on Mac, but how do you do it on windows?


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 5 Dec 2007, at 12:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Klaus,

Welcome to the "We Need Threads In Rev" club :))

The only way to get around this limitation is to write some extra  
compiled

applications to do the work to be threaded...
If you remember i just recently split a big application into  
smaller parts

because of this too...

Problem is that one could eat your cpu doing the processing while the
others wait for CPU threads. Even with 4 CPUs...

Triple the work per thread but oh well...

How long until CPU safe threads come to rev? Anyone? Anyone?

cheers
Xavier

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/12/2007 13:18:42:


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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 51, Issue 23

[Luis]

Hiya,

Could it be possible they've run an app that strips UBs of the non- 
native side?
I've seen a package that does this but I can't recall it's name at  
the moment.


I'm wondering if, once this is done, it leaves the non-native  
external as there is not a native alternative, but if the app is then  
told it can run as native (not via Rosetta) then the non-native  
external causes the mentioned problem.


Cheers,

Luis.


On 18 Dec 2007, at 08:39, kevin oneil wrote:


Hi All,

Richmond was kind enough to test my software on his PowerPC Leopard
installation and experienced no problems. Therefore, I am inclined to
believe Shari's view now, that the odd Leopard bug is subject to  
occurrence
on both PPC and Intel. There also appears to be no type of Mac in  
particular

that triggers the bug. So all we know is that occasionally Leopard +
Revolution = incompatibility.

Shari has had several users report the issue and I have had 3 users  
report

the issue. I can't stress enough how important of an issue this in the
shareware business when you have paying customers who report such a  
baffling
issue. Can anyone speculate as to what exactly may cause "this  
software is
not compatible with this architecture" OS messages when trying to  
launch a

Rev standalone? Again, the other issue is that Universal Binary Rev
standalones crash when they use the RevXML external on Leopard.

Thanks,

Kevin



 Clearly no one else reading this list has experienced this type of  
problem.






I can verify this issue, as I am also having this problem.  However,
mine fails also on Macintels too running Leopard, not just Powermacs.
I've had SEVERAL user reports of this.  No telling how many just fail
without telling me.  My customers are rumbling unhappily, those who
paid for the software prior to getting a new computer and now cannot
use it.

Kevin, did you file a Bugzilla report?  If so, I will add to it.  Let
me know the bug number.

Ken, I haven't had a chance to try your build, it's tabled until
after the holidays :-)  Just sticking my two cents in that Kevin
isn't the only one experiencing this.

Shari




Hi All,

I have had two users report issues running my Revolution-created
software on Leopard. There are two things that have been reported:

1.  When the application is launched, the OS returns an error
message stating that the software is "not supported on this
architecture"
2.  The application opens correctly but freezes when attempting to
use Revolution's XML external



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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 51, Issue 23

[kevin oneil]

Hi All,

Richmond was kind enough to test my software on his PowerPC Leopard
installation and experienced no problems. Therefore, I am inclined to
believe Shari's view now, that the odd Leopard bug is subject to occurrence
on both PPC and Intel. There also appears to be no type of Mac in particular
that triggers the bug. So all we know is that occasionally Leopard +
Revolution = incompatibility.

Shari has had several users report the issue and I have had 3 users report
the issue. I can't stress enough how important of an issue this in the
shareware business when you have paying customers who report such a baffling
issue. Can anyone speculate as to what exactly may cause "this software is
not compatible with this architecture" OS messages when trying to launch a
Rev standalone? Again, the other issue is that Universal Binary Rev
standalones crash when they use the RevXML external on Leopard.

Thanks,

Kevin



 Clearly no one else reading this list has experienced this type of problem.


>
>
> I can verify this issue, as I am also having this problem.  However,
> mine fails also on Macintels too running Leopard, not just Powermacs.
> I've had SEVERAL user reports of this.  No telling how many just fail
> without telling me.  My customers are rumbling unhappily, those who
> paid for the software prior to getting a new computer and now cannot
> use it.
>
> Kevin, did you file a Bugzilla report?  If so, I will add to it.  Let
> me know the bug number.
>
> Ken, I haven't had a chance to try your build, it's tabled until
> after the holidays :-)  Just sticking my two cents in that Kevin
> isn't the only one experiencing this.
>
> Shari
>
>
>
> >Hi All,
> >
> >I have had two users report issues running my Revolution-created
> >software on Leopard. There are two things that have been reported:
> >
> >1.  When the application is launched, the OS returns an error
> >message stating that the software is "not supported on this
> >architecture"
> >2.  The application opens correctly but freezes when attempting to
> >use Revolution's XML external
>
>
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