RE: 2.9 b4

[Lynn Fredricks]

> > With all due respect to your attempt to report, I'm 
> wondering how much
> > 2.9 beta bugs should be discussed on the USE-REV list 
> rather than the 
> > more closed IMPROVE REV list, or reports to Quality 
> control. I'd hate 
> > to see prospective new Rev users get turned off by comments 
> here. And 
> > non-beta testers might feel left out with the features they 
> can't use 
> > yet. Comments, headquarters? Heather? Lynn? Jacque?
> 
> I wondered the same thing myself, and almost didn't reply to 
> the original post. You are right, the details of 2.9 are 
> supposed to be limited to the improve list, or logged into the QCC.

I agree with Jacque. The Improve List is where all things beta live, and
much like Fight Club, that's the only place it should be discussed as its
under the Fight Club NDA. One does not understand the real value of bruises
unless one fights by the rules of Fight Club :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
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Re: 2.9 b4

[Ian Wood]

On 20 Feb 2008, at 08:10, Lynn Fredricks wrote:


The Improve List is where all things beta live


How about those of us that have Studio licences instead of Enterprise  
and are therefore not on the Improve List?


;-)

Ian
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Re: 2.9 b4

[Mark Schonewille]

FYEO

As far a I know, the public beta can be pubicly discussed on this  
mail list (the use list). The details of 2.9 are not supposed to be  
limited to the improve list, since everybody can sign up for beta  
testing without signing an NDA.


Since bugs are stored in a public database, they can be discussed  
publicly on this mail list as well. Discussion is not limited to the  
improve list. If RunRev Ltd doesn't want us to discuss bugs, the QCC  
would have to be closed.


People who have a studio license and are not on the improve list and  
have not signed an NDA can discuss everything wherever they like,  
including national secrets and the weather.


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Op 20-feb-2008, om 9:10 heeft Lynn Fredricks het volgende geschreven:


I agree with Jacque. The Improve List is where all things beta  
live, and
much like Fight Club, that's the only place it should be discussed  
as its
under the Fight Club NDA. One does not understand the real value of  
bruises

unless one fights by the rules of Fight Club :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks


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Re: RevCGI Hosts?

[Dave Cragg]

On 20 Feb 2008, at 01:54, J. Landman Gay wrote:



I think we can relax as long as we don't script anything stupid.  
Here are a couple of quotes from Scott Raney about it:


Hi Jacque

It wasn't the script content I was concerned about. Scripting  
problems exist wherever the engine is.


My concern was that if the engine is in the cgi-bin folder, you can  
attempt to call the engine directly. For example, if the engine is  
named "rev", then what happens when you request the url "http:// 
some.server.com/cgi-bin/rev"


Will Apache try to start the engine? My understanding of Apache and  
the cgi-bin folder suggests that it will. (But am not certain.)  
Normally, I think nothing will happen and the engine will immediately  
close. But if it were possible to coerce Apache to send parameters  
when opening the engine, the risks seem higher. In the case of the  
Windows Perl executable, I think Apache sent any query string  
attached to the url as a parameter. In some circumstances (forget  
details) the Perl executable will attempt to execute scripts passed  
as parameters. It was possible to craft a query string that would  
cause Perls to execute scripts.


As I said, I'm reasonably confident this can't be done with Rev. (But  
it will accept parameters.) But it's usually not a problem to put the  
engine somewhere outside of the cgi-bin folder and adjust the top  
line of the script accordingly.


The other advantage is that starting a script with #!usr/bin/revbin/ 
rev or #!../rev makes you look more knowledgeable than simply using #! 
rev   It's like the subtle difference between quiche and egg pie.  
You'll swear your scripts run faster. :-)


Cheers
Dave


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Re: 2.9 b4

[viktoras didziulis]

Just intended to ask the same question... E.g. me is interested in 
Revolution to be improved as much as possible. So many of us do this by 
participating in beta program, hunting those nasty bugs, reporting them, 
etc... And as a "reward and motivation" participation in the Improve 
list is limited by our personal incomes and looks rather like 
Investor-Relationship list instead :-).


I really can't afford it - being a phd student in my part of the world 
is a financial challenge too...


Sorry for making waves ;-) and
all the best!
Viktoras

Ian Wood wrote:


On 20 Feb 2008, at 08:10, Lynn Fredricks wrote:


The Improve List is where all things beta live


How about those of us that have Studio licences instead of Enterprise 
and are therefore not on the Improve List?


;-)

Ian
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Re: 2.9 b4

[Malte Brill]

May I humbly disagree Lynn?

there is a forum dedicated to the beta, which I believe is public.




(Although I haven´t seen Bill around there much recently)

So at least there is one place that is viewable by all, where comments  
on the Beta can be posted.
I see no harm in discussing the Beta here too, although I would expect  
someone signing up for a Beta test programme, to get familar with the  
bug tracking system. If I hadn´t the time to actually test and submit  
feedback, I whould not sign up as a Beta Tester. However,  
unfamiliarity should not lead to valuable feedback being lost.


Just my 2 Euro cents worth,

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Re: RevCGI Hosts?

[Richard Miller]

Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options:

1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With libsmtp253  
or something else?


2. can you use the "put x into ftp:url z" syntax or some other  
language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on  
another server?


Thanks.
Richard Miller



On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:



On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

You and others here got me to take a look at DreamHost, and I've  
been very happy with them over the last year since I signed on.


I have both a Dreamhost and JaguarPC account.  I am about to close  
out our JaguarPC accounts as their ftp upload max speed is around  
125KB/sec.  I can saturate my pipe at 2 MB/Sec with DreamHost.   
Gotta love FIOS!



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Re: RevCGI Hosts?

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Richard,

The easiest way to send mail is probably 


It may depend on server configuration, but it should be possible to  
do FTP transfers from one web server to another, provided that the  
FTP library is uncluded. As a test, I wrote a CGI script that opened  
a socket on my computer at home. This worked fine.


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Op 20-feb-2008, om 12:36 heeft Richard Miller het volgende geschreven:


Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options:

1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With  
libsmtp253 or something else?


2. can you use the "put x into ftp:url z" syntax or some other  
language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on  
another server?


Thanks.
Richard Miller


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Re: RevCGI Hosts?

[viktoras didziulis]

possibility of the direct access to revolution engine (or any other file 
in cgi-bin) can be completely eliminated by putting .htaccess file with 
the following content into the cgi-bin directory:


RewriteEngine on
RewriteRule ^(.*)(rev|revolution)(.*) http://localhost/cgi-bin/ [nc]

Now everyone trying to invoke rev or revolution from the outside world 
will be redirected to his own localhost.


best wishes!
Viktoras

Dave Cragg wrote:


On 20 Feb 2008, at 01:54, J. Landman Gay wrote:



I think we can relax as long as we don't script anything stupid. Here 
are a couple of quotes from Scott Raney about it:


Hi Jacque

It wasn't the script content I was concerned about. Scripting problems 
exist wherever the engine is.


My concern was that if the engine is in the cgi-bin folder, you can 
attempt to call the engine directly. For example, if the engine is 
named "rev", then what happens when you request the url 
"http://some.server.com/cgi-bin/rev";


Will Apache try to start the engine? My understanding of Apache and 
the cgi-bin folder suggests that it will. (But am not certain.) 
Normally, I think nothing will happen and the engine will immediately 
close. But if it were possible to coerce Apache to send parameters 
when opening the engine, the risks seem higher. In the case of the 
Windows Perl executable, I think Apache sent any query string attached 
to the url as a parameter. In some circumstances (forget details) the 
Perl executable will attempt to execute scripts passed as parameters. 
It was possible to craft a query string that would cause Perls to 
execute scripts.


As I said, I'm reasonably confident this can't be done with Rev. (But 
it will accept parameters.) But it's usually not a problem to put the 
engine somewhere outside of the cgi-bin folder and adjust the top line 
of the script accordingly.


The other advantage is that starting a script with 
#!usr/bin/revbin/rev or #!../rev makes you look more knowledgeable 
than simply using #!rev   It's like the subtle difference between 
quiche and egg pie. You'll swear your scripts run faster. :-)


Cheers
Dave


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Re: verboseLog.txt

[Thierry]

Hi  Mark ,

You can turn this off with a global or property... don't remember  
by heart, but you can also download Verbose Logging Plugin from  
Revonline, user name Mark. This allows you to turn it on and off.



So, a quick comment on what I've found...

the rev command is:  revVerboseDebug  true/false
the global is:  gREVVerboseDebug
the property in stack "revPreferences" is:  the cVerboseDebug

HTH,

Thanks Mark for your help,
Regards,
Thierry


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Dialog Stack Design Questions

[Len Morgan]

I'm wondering what is the "recommended" way of handling a lot of dialog 
boxes in applications.  There are a couple of way of handling this that 
I've thought of but I don't know what would be considered "best:"


1) A separate stack for each dialog.
   Pros: Sizing, function (information only, getting user input, etc) 
can be implemented without worrying about it's effect

on other dialogs.
   Cons: You need the basic "stack overhead" repeated over and over for 
each dialog


2) One dialog stack with multiple cards (one for each dialog).
   Pros: Single stack overhead (smaller file size)
   Cons: Every time a dialog is opened, the correct card has to be 
selected and then the stack has to be resized for that particular
 dialog.


3) Some other approach.

Any advice? I know I could use either one and make it work but I looking 
for "best practice" advice.



Thanks!

Len Morgan
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Re: Dialog Stack Design Questions

[Ian Wood]

What kind of dialog boxes do you needing to show?

My personal take is that dialog boxes should be kept as simple as  
possible, and therefore the built-in answer and ask commands cover  
about 90% of my needs plus a small number of separate stacks for the  
remaining more complex ones.


Ian


On 20 Feb 2008, at 13:58, Len Morgan wrote:

I'm wondering what is the "recommended" way of handling a lot of  
dialog boxes in applications.  There are a couple of way of handling  
this that I've thought of but I don't know what would be considered  
"best:"


1) A separate stack for each dialog.

2) One dialog stack with multiple cards (one for each dialog).

3) Some other approach.

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Re: Dialog Stack Design Questions

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Len,

First I have to say that I try to minimize dialogs use.
In many cases, I use a group on the current card but with a darker  
background because, as a user, I hate to have hundreds windows, all  
different, that show up and have to be closed as you can see them in  
MS Word for instance.

I reserve 'external' dialogs for alerts only.
And I never use 'Ask' because I want to master the kind of data I let  
the user enter in any entry box.
All my users seem pleased with this way of doing that is based,  
before everything else, on a deep ergonomic study.
Now if you want to make many dialogs showing up, I would recommend to  
pay attention at each window layout to make them a 'real family'.
About using a single stack or several, I don't think that file size  
is now a problem and, above all, different stacks make reuse later  
easier in any project.


Le 20 févr. 08 à 14:58, Len Morgan a écrit :

I'm wondering what is the "recommended" way of handling a lot of  
dialog boxes in applications.  There are a couple of way of  
handling this that I've thought of but I don't know what would be  
considered "best:"


1) A separate stack for each dialog.
   Pros: Sizing, function (information only, getting user input,  
etc) can be implemented without worrying about it's effect

on other dialogs.
   Cons: You need the basic "stack overhead" repeated over and over  
for each dialog


2) One dialog stack with multiple cards (one for each dialog).
   Pros: Single stack overhead (smaller file size)
   Cons: Every time a dialog is opened, the correct card has to be  
selected and then the stack has to be resized for that  
particular dialog.


3) Some other approach.

Any advice? I know I could use either one and make it work but I  
looking for "best practice" advice.



Thanks!

Len Morgan


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

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Re: Dialog Stack Design Questions

[Robert Brenstein]

On 20/02/08 at 07:58 -0600 Len Morgan apparently wrote:
I'm wondering what is the "recommended" way of handling a lot of 
dialog boxes in applications.  There are a couple of way of handling 
this that I've thought of but I don't know what would be considered 
"best:"


There is no single best solution. All depends on a number of factors.


1) A separate stack for each dialog.
   Pros: Sizing, function (information only, getting user input, 
etc) can be implemented without worrying about it's effect

on other dialogs.
   Cons: You need the basic "stack overhead" repeated over and over 
for each dialog


You can have a common library stack which handles common functions, 
so each individual stack has only stuff that is unique to it. In this 
approach you indeed keep multiple stacks loaded in memory, but 
nowadays this is seldom an issue. If you need to show one dialog on 
top of another, this is the only approach.



2) One dialog stack with multiple cards (one for each dialog).
   Pros: Single stack overhead (smaller file size)
   Cons: Every time a dialog is opened, the correct card has to be 
selected and then the stack has to be resized for that 
particular   
 dialog.


Which card to open can be passed through the dialogData property. 
Resizing can be done by having size (and possibly location) stored in 
a custom property of each card and set in the preopencard handler. If 
you need dynamic sizing of dialogs, peek at the scripts in the answer 
stack provided with Revolution.



3) Some other approach.


Similar to 2) but instead of cards, you can have controls for each 
dialog kept as groups that you show and hide. Since some elements can 
be shared, so it makes this a tad more compact than 2 and eliminates 
switching cards. Resizing/positioning works same as in 2).


Any advice? I know I could use either one and make it work but I 
looking for "best practice" advice.


You can mix and match the approaches. If you have a few similar 
dialogs, you can use approach 2 or 3 for them. For dissimilar dialogs 
stay with 1. Whatever fits best your programming style and the logic 
of your program.


Robert
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RE: 2.9 b4

[Lynn Fredricks]

> May I humbly disagree Lynn?

I thought I heard chest smacking and leaf throwing there Malte ;-)

> there is a forum dedicated to the beta, which I believe is public.
> 
>  8f16875cdaf781cc8b42ff0e01
>  >
> 
> (Although I haven´t seen Bill around there much recently)

OoOoOoh Bill?
 
> So at least there is one place that is viewable by all, where 
> comments on the Beta can be posted.
> I see no harm in discussing the Beta here too, although I 
> would expect someone signing up for a Beta test programme, to 
> get familar with the bug tracking system. If I hadn´t the 
> time to actually test and submit feedback, I whould not sign 
> up as a Beta Tester. However, unfamiliarity should not lead 
> to valuable feedback being lost.

Aha - well yes, if the Open Community Beta is still going on for 2.9, then
sure. I guess what then you need to be careful about is talking about
anything that's discussed in regards to the beta in specific to what is on
the Improve List.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
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Re: Dialog Stack Design Questions

[Paul Gabel]

Len and Robert:

Another solution is to designate one card in your stack as the dialog  
card, title it "Information," and place a field, a Cancel button, and  
an OK button on it. Then place the dialog information into the field  
by script as shown below. This method is very flexible and conserving  
of resources.


global theOK

on linkClicked -- linked text in this particular case
  put 2 into theOK
  put "" into field "Info" of card "Information"
  go card "Information"
  wait while theOK = 2 with messages
  if theOK = 1 then go recent card -- occurs when the user clicks on  
the OK button on card "Information"

end linkClicked

In the OK button on card "Information" include the handler:

global theOK

on mouseUp
  put 1 into theOK
end mouseUp

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On Feb 20, 2008, at 7:32 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:


On 20/02/08 at 07:58 -0600 Len Morgan apparently wrote:
I'm wondering what is the "recommended" way of handling a lot of  
dialog boxes in applications.  There are a couple of way of  
handling this that I've thought of but I don't know what would be  
considered "best:"


There is no single best solution. All depends on a number of factors.


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Re: RevCGI Hosts?

[J. Landman Gay]

Dave Cragg wrote:

My concern was that if the engine is in the cgi-bin folder, you can 
attempt to call the engine directly. For example, if the engine is named 
"rev", then what happens when you request the url 
"http://some.server.com/cgi-bin/rev";


I get an "internal server error" and nothing happens.



Will Apache try to start the engine?


Doesn't look like it, or if it does, it won't work. I think that's what 
Scott Raney was saying. The only vulnerabilities the engine allows are 
the ones you write into your scripts yourself.


My understanding of Apache and the 
cgi-bin folder suggests that it will. (But am not certain.) Normally, I 
think nothing will happen and the engine will immediately close. But if 
it were possible to coerce Apache to send parameters when opening the 
engine, the risks seem higher.


I'm not sure how to pass parameters like that. If someone knows, I'd 
like to test it.


As I said, I'm reasonably confident this can't be done with Rev. (But it 
will accept parameters.) But it's usually not a problem to put the 
engine somewhere outside of the cgi-bin folder and adjust the top line 
of the script accordingly.


The other advantage is that starting a script with #!usr/bin/revbin/rev 
or #!../rev makes you look more knowledgeable than simply using #!rev   
It's like the subtle difference between quiche and egg pie. You'll swear 
your scripts run faster. :-)


I can't argue with that. :)

BTW, even though I said I just name my cgi engine "rev", I lied. I 
didn't. I named it something unguessable, just to be safe. So you and I 
aren't so different after all.


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Re: way OT bass players ... was filter without empty

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Wieder wrote:

Richard-


Klaus:  no MP3s at your site?


...and no mp3s on my site either... apparently JaguarPC has been fiddling 
with server things again and lost all my website files so I'll have to 
upload them again, but I've got some at http://cdbaby.com/cd/alephnull if 
anyone cares...


Wow!   About half my collection is world music, and your wonderful tunes 
will fit right in.  Great stuff, Mark!


Is there an option to purchase a download rather than wait for a 
physical CD?


PS: Really nice cover art.  Gorgeous.

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Re: way OT bass players ... was filter without empty

[Mark Wieder]

Richard-

> Klaus:  no MP3s at your site?

...and no mp3s on my site either... apparently JaguarPC has been fiddling 
with server things again and lost all my website files so I'll have to 
upload them again, but I've got some at http://cdbaby.com/cd/alephnull if 
anyone cares...

-- 
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Re: RevCGI Hosts?

[Richard Miller]

Hi Mark,

Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems that cgiemail is designed  
to work when generated from an html input form. What I need to do is  
send an email directly to a recipient right from my Rev cgi program  
(where the email address is coming out of a database...not from a  
form). Can cgiemail do that?


Thanks.
Richard


On Feb 20, 2008, at 6:44 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:


Hi Richard,

The easiest way to send mail is probably 


It may depend on server configuration, but it should be possible to  
do FTP transfers from one web server to another, provided that the  
FTP library is uncluded. As a test, I wrote a CGI script that  
opened a socket on my computer at home. This worked fine.


Best regards,

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Op 20-feb-2008, om 12:36 heeft Richard Miller het volgende geschreven:


Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options:

1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With  
libsmtp253 or something else?


2. can you use the "put x into ftp:url z" syntax or some other  
language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on  
another server?


Thanks.
Richard Miller


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Re: Dialog Stack Design Questions

[Len Morgan]

Thanks to everyone for their responses.  It appears that:

1) There are MANY ways to handle dialog boxes (I knew that before)
2) The is NO best way to do it.

I guess Rev's blessing of flexibility can also be a curse!  :-)

len
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Dreamhost vs Jaguar PC

[Stephen Barncard]

FYI. I've been with Dreamhost for over 5 years and THAT never happened there.


...and no mp3s on my site either... apparently JaguarPC has been fiddling
with server things again and lost all my website files so I'll have to



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Re: Dreamhost vs Jaguar PC

[J. Landman Gay]

Stephen Barncard wrote:
FYI. I've been with Dreamhost for over 5 years and THAT never happened 
there.



...and no mp3s on my site either... apparently JaguarPC has been fiddling
with server things again and lost all my website files so I'll have to





I've been with JaguarPC (and its predecessors) for over 8 years and it's 
never happened to me either. Mark, you should write to support and find 
out what happened. It's definitely not normal.


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Question with CGI at JaguarPC..

[Chipp Walters]

Hi all,

I'm still trying to get a cgi working at JaguarPC. I've created a folder
mycgi and put the revolution engine in it, etc. I've successfully created a
'helloworld.cgi' which works.

Next I used Jacque's echo.mt scriptchanged it to echo.cgi and it works
fine.

Then, I created a small cgi, that opens a simple stack and reads from the
first card and outputs it. This works fine using my localmachine webserver.

While part of the script rund, the stack never opens using my Jaguar
account.

Here's the script:

#!revolution

on startup

put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr & cr
put "Hello World!"
put the files
put cr & the version
--> RETURNS 2.6.6
if there is a file "BasicComments.rev" then
put cr & "found it"

--> SCRIPTS STOPS EXECUTING HERE
open stack "BasicComments.rev"

put the long name of field 1 of stack "BasicComments.rev" into t
put t
close stack "BasicComments.rev"
else
put "Can't find it"
end if

--> BELOW NOT EXECUTED
put "done"

end startup

I've checked permissions and everything seems ok. The stack is named in the
files list the cgi renders to text, just it never runs. The capitalization
of the stack seems correct. Is there an issue with Linux Rev 2.6.6 engine?
Any help is much appreciated :-)

-Chipp
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Re: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..

[Chipp Walters]

As Chris tells me...
"Now you get to answer your own question."

Which is simply the 2.6.6 engine doesn't open a 2.8.1 stackDUH

So, now off to download the 2.9 beta engine and try that one...
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Re: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..

[J. Landman Gay]

Chipp Walters wrote:

Hi all,

I'm still trying to get a cgi working at JaguarPC. I've created a folder
mycgi and put the revolution engine in it, etc. I've successfully created a
'helloworld.cgi' which works.

Next I used Jacque's echo.mt scriptchanged it to echo.cgi and it works
fine.

Then, I created a small cgi, that opens a simple stack and reads from the
first card and outputs it. This works fine using my localmachine webserver.

While part of the script rund, the stack never opens using my Jaguar
account.

Here's the script:

#!revolution

on startup

put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr & cr
put "Hello World!"
put the files
put cr & the version
--> RETURNS 2.6.6
if there is a file "BasicComments.rev" then
put cr & "found it"

--> SCRIPTS STOPS EXECUTING HERE
open stack "BasicComments.rev"

put the long name of field 1 of stack "BasicComments.rev" into t
put t
close stack "BasicComments.rev"
else
put "Can't find it"
end if

--> BELOW NOT EXECUTED
put "done"

end startup

I've checked permissions and everything seems ok. The stack is named in the
files list the cgi renders to text, just it never runs. The capitalization
of the stack seems correct. Is there an issue with Linux Rev 2.6.6 engine?
Any help is much appreciated :-)


You can't "open" files in a cgi script (opening a stack requires the UI, 
which doesn't exist in the cgi engine.) You have to "start using stack" 
instead. Change the "open stack" line to "start using stack" and it 
should work.


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Re: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..

[J. Landman Gay]

Chipp Walters wrote:


While part of the script rund, the stack never opens using my Jaguar
account.


Just in case, here's a few more tips about using stacks with CGI scripts:


A brief list of things to keep in mind when using stacks with CGIs:

* Stacks must be put in use to be recognized.

* Set the defaultstack, or refer to all objects by their long names.

* Examine the environment variable $REQUEST_METHOD if necessary to 
see how form parameters are being sent. For the "get" method, read 
$QUERY_STRING. For the "post" method, read from stdin until empty.


* Use the split command and the urlDecode function to parse script 
parameters.


These items are discussed in more detail below.



("Below" being at: )

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Re: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..

[Chipp Walters]

Are you sure?

http://bjoernke.com/runrev/cgi.php

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:49 PM, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> You can't "open" files in a cgi script (opening a stack requires the UI,
> which doesn't exist in the cgi engine.) You have to "start using stack"
> instead. Change the "open stack" line to "start using stack" and it
> should work.
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Re: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..

[Chipp Walters]

Jacque (or anyone else),

I've installed the latest best 2.9 Linux revolution and now the
helloworld.cgi doesn't even work. Are you (or anyone) using the 2.9 latest
beta successfully, and if not, can you point me to a version which does
actually work, which also works with the lastest stack file formats? I
imagine there are some shared library dependencies which may not be 'hooked
up correctly' for 2.9 to work-- though this is only a guess.

-Chipp

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:49 PM, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Chipp Walters wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm still trying to get a cgi working at JaguarPC. I've created a folder
> > mycgi and put the revolution engine in it, etc. I've successfully
> created a
> > 'helloworld.cgi' which works.
> >
> > Next I used Jacque's echo.mt scriptchanged it to echo.cgi and it
> works
> > fine.
> >
> > Then, I created a small cgi, that opens a simple stack and reads from
> the
> > first card and outputs it. This works fine using my localmachine
> webserver.
> >
> > While part of the script rund, the stack never opens using my Jaguar
> > account.
> >
> > Here's the script:
> >
> > #!revolution
> >
> > on startup
> >
> > put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr & cr
> > put "Hello World!"
> > put the files
> > put cr & the version
> > --> RETURNS 2.6.6
> > if there is a file "BasicComments.rev" then
> > put cr & "found it"
> >
> > --> SCRIPTS STOPS EXECUTING HERE
> > open stack "BasicComments.rev"
> >
> > put the long name of field 1 of stack "BasicComments.rev" into t
> > put t
> > close stack "BasicComments.rev"
> > else
> > put "Can't find it"
> > end if
> >
> > --> BELOW NOT EXECUTED
> > put "done"
> >
> > end startup
> >
> > I've checked permissions and everything seems ok. The stack is named in
> the
> > files list the cgi renders to text, just it never runs. The
> capitalization
> > of the stack seems correct. Is there an issue with Linux Rev 2.6.6engine?
> > Any help is much appreciated :-)
>
> You can't "open" files in a cgi script (opening a stack requires the UI,
> which doesn't exist in the cgi engine.) You have to "start using stack"
> instead. Change the "open stack" line to "start using stack" and it
> should work.
>
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Re: [ANN] libS3

[Mark Smith]

Sorry, that url is:

http://maspub.s3.amazonaws.com/libS3.zip

for the thousands clamouring to download it :)

Best,

Mark

On 19 Feb 2008, at 13:35, Mark Smith wrote:

I've made a library for working with the amazon s3 storage service.  
This is working well on my OS X machine, but is not much more than  
a beta, so any and all comments and suggestions will be welcome,  
either on or off list.


And to demonstrate the Revolution 'eating your own haggis'  
principle, you can get it here:


http://maspub.s3.amazonaws.com/libS3 1.0.0.zip

Best,

Mark
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Re: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..

[J. Landman Gay]

Chipp Walters wrote:

Are you sure?

http://bjoernke.com/runrev/cgi.php



I just did a quick test on my local server, and "open" fails there. 
"Start using" works. When I use "open" I do not get an error, but the 
script hangs. Granted, this is using an old copy of the engine, the last 
Darwin engine that was released 3 years ago.


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Re: Dreamhost vs Jaguar PC

[Mark Wieder]

Jacque-

> I've been with JaguarPC (and its predecessors) for over 8 years and it's 
> never happened to me either. Mark, you should write to support and find 
> out what happened. It's definitely not normal.

rotfl... I did get that part figured out.

I'm not too worried since I've got all the files backed up and I've got 
Jaguar on a monthly probationary basis, so I can drop them anytime and go 
with someone more reliable. Every time I think things have settled down with 
their hosting servers something else happens. At least this time they didn't 
lose a few days worth of email for me like when the hosting server's power 
supply died. I'd copy the support email traffic on that but the language 
isn't appropriate for this list...

I love JaguarPC's redefinition of 24/7 support: email support and you'll get 
an email answer within 24 hours 7 days a week.

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Re: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..

[J. Landman Gay]

Chipp Walters wrote:

Are you sure?

http://bjoernke.com/runrev/cgi.php


Well, I used to be. :) Maybe something's changed. Or maybe "go" still 
doesn't work but "open" does...


Haven't tried it for a while.

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Re: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..

[Chipp Walters]

Yeah, I guess I'll have to work my CGI's in 2.6.1.bummer as I hate
working in 2 diff IDE's.

This legacy format thing really sucks especially since there's no engine
support for the new format.
I tried uploading and using the file called "Standalone" (renaming it
'revolution') in the Linux Runtime directory...and it doesn't work at
JaguarPC.

I'll keep on banging my head against this thing and let you know what I find
out...
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Re: 2.9 b4

[J. Landman Gay]

Hershel Fisch wrote:


Yes, I'm sorry about that I do understand but actualy now found out that
there is another list to post on
And by the way, J, didn't you put yours as well?


Yes, but on second thought I probably shouldn't have.

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Re: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..

[J. Landman Gay]

Chipp Walters wrote:

Yeah, I guess I'll have to work my CGI's in 2.6.1.bummer as I hate
working in 2 diff IDE's.

This legacy format thing really sucks especially since there's no engine
support for the new format.
I tried uploading and using the file called "Standalone" (renaming it
'revolution') in the Linux Runtime directory...and it doesn't work at
JaguarPC.

I'll keep on banging my head against this thing and let you know what I find
out...


I'll give it a try too later today, now that you've got me curious. BTW, 
you don't have to work in a separate IDE to save as a legacy stack. For 
now, when you are ready to save a stack for the server, just do a "save 
as" and change the popup button at the bottom of the save file dialog to 
"legacy format". That should work. (Media users, note that you don't 
have that button.)


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Re: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..

[Richard Gaskin]

Anyone here every use a standalone as a CGI on Linux?

I've been unable to, but I'd be interested in hearing success stories.

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Re: 2.9 b4

[Hershel Fisch]

On 2/20/08 12:53 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Stephen Barncard wrote:
>> With all due respect to your attempt to report, I'm wondering how much
>> 2.9 beta bugs should be discussed on the USE-REV list rather than the
>> more closed IMPROVE REV list, or reports to Quality control. I'd hate to
>> see prospective new Rev users get turned off by comments here. And
>> non-beta testers might feel left out with the features they can't use
>> yet. Comments, headquarters? Heather? Lynn? Jacque?
> 
> I wondered the same thing myself, and almost didn't reply to the
> original post. You are right, the details of 2.9 are supposed to be
> limited to the improve list, or logged into the QCC.
Yes, I'm sorry about that I do understand but actualy now found out that
there is another list to post on
And by the way, J, didn't you put yours as well?
Hershel

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Re: Dreamhost vs Jaguar PC

[J. Landman Gay]

Mark Wieder wrote:

Jacque-

I've been with JaguarPC (and its predecessors) for over 8 years and it's 
never happened to me either. Mark, you should write to support and find 
out what happened. It's definitely not normal.


rotfl... I did get that part figured out.


Did you find out what went wrong? I've never had any of the problems you 
mention, but if things are happening to you regularly then I guess I 
wouldn't blame you for moving elsewhere.


On the two occasions I needed it, their tech support has always 
responded to my questions within an hour or so. I'm not necessarily 
defending them, I just haven't had a good reason to leave.


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Re: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..

[Chipp Walters]

Well, I got the cgi up and running. "Open stack" worked fine. Supposedly you
need to call "close stack" though I haven't tested it.

Another note of interest...
my comments are typically:

--> THIS IS A COMMENT...2 DASHES FOLLOWED BY A GREATER THAN SIGN

but they just hang the cgi for some reason (engine 2.6.6 - Linux)

but these work as comments:

// THIS IS A VALID COMMENT
# SO IS THIS

what up?

Also, in 2.8.1-gm-3, using the "Preserve stack file version on stacks saved
in legacy format" preference doesn't work. It saves them in the new format.
Funny thing is, even my old StackFormat plugin won't save the stacks in
legacy format...Is there a new command for this?

It used to be
set the stackFileVersion to...(new stack version)

But, it doesn't seem to work...any other ideas?

TIA, Chipp
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Re: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..

[Chris Sheffield]

Chipp,

It's been my experience that you have to perform a Save As on the  
stack, specifying to save in Legacy format, before that preference  
truly kicks in. I've never been able to simply open a legacy stack in  
2.8.1 and have it stay that way unless I do a Save As first. Kind of  
strange, but it has worked for me.


Chris

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On Feb 20, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

Well, I got the cgi up and running. "Open stack" worked fine.  
Supposedly you

need to call "close stack" though I haven't tested it.

Another note of interest...
my comments are typically:

--> THIS IS A COMMENT...2 DASHES FOLLOWED BY A GREATER THAN SIGN

but they just hang the cgi for some reason (engine 2.6.6 - Linux)

but these work as comments:

// THIS IS A VALID COMMENT
# SO IS THIS

what up?

Also, in 2.8.1-gm-3, using the "Preserve stack file version on  
stacks saved
in legacy format" preference doesn't work. It saves them in the new  
format.
Funny thing is, even my old StackFormat plugin won't save the stacks  
in

legacy format...Is there a new command for this?

It used to be
set the stackFileVersion to...(new stack version)

But, it doesn't seem to work...any other ideas?

TIA, Chipp
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Re: Dreamhost vs Jaguar PC

[Mark Wieder]

Jacque-

> Did you find out what went wrong?

No - I've been out of town for a week and I'm just starting to catch up on 
things. I've got backups of everything, so one of these days I'll just start 
a mass upload and everything will be as it was. I'm sure tech support will 
have a good excuse for what happened, but finding out doesn't really get me 
anywhere.

> On the two occasions I needed it, their tech support has always responded 
> to my questions within an hour or so. I'm not necessarily defending them, 
> I just haven't had a good reason to leave.

 I'm not suggesting that you do. I probably won't either right now, just 
patch things back up and get back to work.

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Re: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..

[Chipp Walters]

OK, Figured out the problem with the preserve stack format, and my own Save
Legacy format plugin.

You used to be able to set the stackFileVersion and it would stay set. Now
the RevSave version overides it as it's looking for a RevGeneral custom prop
in working with "Preserve stack file version on stacks saved in legacy
format." If it doesn't find the prop, it saves in the most current format.
This is a new feature from when my plugin was written. And...because I
'AltClean' my stacks, thus removing this RevGeneral custom prop and other
props (can save up to 50% of a stacks size), RevSave no longer honors the
legacy information.

So, I've updated my Legacy Save plugin, so that now stacks can be saved
without calling RevSave. The plugin is called "StackFormat" and can be
downloaded by putting into the message box:

go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/StackFormat.rev";

Then save the stack somewhere, and open it as palette and it's good to go.

-Chipp
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Re: way OT bass players ... was filter without empty

[Mark Wieder]

Richard-

> Is there an option to purchase a download rather than wait for a physical 
> CD?

Not that I'm aware of. I don't think cdbaby has that capability, but then 
I've never really followed up on it to find out.

> PS: Really nice cover art.  Gorgeous.

Yes, thanks. I'm quite pleased with the way that turned out. Couple of 
spectacular designs from Hossein's father, who's a rug designer in Iran.

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Re: Can we build console apps under linux?

[Mark Wieder]

Andre-

> a quick question, can we build console based apps in Linux? I mean,
> applications that run without X11. I'm thinking about daemons and
> compiled cgis.

Indeed you can. Specify "-ui" as part of the launching commandline and write 
your output to stdout.

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2.9 b4

[Peter Alcibiades]

Well, having only 2.9 dp-3 available at present, just one question about b4:

Does it do multiple desktops properly on Linux yet?

Or is it time to give up, accept that the HIGs were right all along, all we 
ever needed was one, just a bigger one,  and buy a 30 inch monitor?

Peter
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Re: 2.9 b4

[Hershel Fisch]

On 2/20/08 4:59 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hershel Fisch wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I'm sorry about that I do understand but actualy now found out that
>> there is another list to post on
>> And by the way, J, didn't you put yours as well?
> 
> Yes, but on second thought I probably shouldn't have.
Well that's why on third thought I apologized :-)

Hershel

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Re-2: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..

[runrev260805]

Hi,

maybe someone can help.
I want to write a XML file, which should be opened in MS Excel 2003.

I have 2 xml-files, each contains the same data, if opened in Ultraedit editor 
under Windows.

The first one was an Excelfile, which i exported to XML with Excel. This file 
can be reopened 
in Excel without problems.
Here´s some sample code, how Rev reads the file (in Rev some characters are not 
shown like ultraedit shows them)

WSXGA 1680 x 1050 Pixel, 
Helligkeit 300cd/m², Kontrast 1000:1, Bildwinkel 160°/160° (H/V), 
Reaktionszeit: 5ms, Pixelabstand: 0.258mm, Signal-Eingang: Analog (VGA) u. 
DVI-D (HDCP), Kensington-Lock, integriertes Netzteil, TCO '03, 
Pixelfehlerklasse II, TÜV/GS, TÜV Ergo, 473 x 310 x 73 mm, 5.6 
kg


The other one was created by me using a normal CSV file.
This one cannot opened in Excel.

Here´s smoe sample code, how Rev reads that file

WSXGA 1680 x 1050 Pixel, 
Helligkeit 300cd/m², Kontrast 1000:1, Bildwinkel 160°/160° (H/V), 
Reaktionszeit: 5ms, Pixelabstand: 0.258mm, Signal-Eingang: Analog (VGA) u. 
DVI-D (HDCP), Kensington-Lock, integriertes Netzteil, TCO '03, 
Pixelfehlerklasse II, TÜV/GS, TÜV Ergo, 473 x 310 x 73 mm, 5.6 kg 

As you can see, my "created" file contains for example the character for degree 
and also some german "umlaute".

The original xml file instead shows 2 characters for these characters.

How can i convert my "created" file, so these characters are like the ones in 
the export xml-file?

I hope, i was clear enough.

Regards,

Matthias


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Problem with characters/special characters in XML

[runrev260805]

Hi,

unfortunately i sent the message below with a wrong subject. Please excuse.


So here´s my problem, maybe someone can help.

I want to write a XML file, which should be opened in MS Excel 2003.

I have 2 xml-files, each contains the same data, if opened in Ultraedit editor 
under Windows.

The first one was an Excelfile, which i exported to XML with Excel. This file 
can be reopened 
in Excel without problems.
Here´s some sample code, how Rev reads the file (in Rev some characters are not 
shown like ultraedit shows them)

WSXGA 1680 x 1050 Pixel, 
Helligkeit 300cd/m², Kontrast 1000:1, Bildwinkel 160°/160° (H/V), 
Reaktionszeit: 5ms, Pixelabstand: 0.258mm, Signal-Eingang: Analog (VGA) u. 
DVI-D (HDCP), Kensington-Lock, integriertes Netzteil, TCO '03, 
Pixelfehlerklasse II, TÜV/GS, TÜV Ergo, 473 x 310 x 73 mm, 5.6 
kg


The other one was created by me using a normal CSV file.
This one cannot be opened in Excel.

Here´s some sample code, how Rev reads that file

WSXGA 1680 x 1050 Pixel, 
Helligkeit 300cd/m², Kontrast 1000:1, Bildwinkel 160°/160° (H/V), 
Reaktionszeit: 5ms, Pixelabstand: 0.258mm, Signal-Eingang: Analog (VGA) u. 
DVI-D (HDCP), Kensington-Lock, integriertes Netzteil, TCO '03, 
Pixelfehlerklasse II, TÜV/GS, TÜV Ergo, 473 x 310 x 73 mm, 5.6 kg 

As you can see, my "created" file contains for example the character for degree 
and also some german "umlaute".

The original xml file instead shows 2 characters for each of these characters.

How can i convert my "created" file, so these characters are like the ones in 
the export xml-file?

I hope, i was clear enough.

Regards,

Matthias



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Re: Problem with characters/special characters in XML

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Matthias,

Have you tried converting the file to UTF8?

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Op 21-feb-2008, om 1:01 heeft [EMAIL PROTECTED] het volgende  
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Hi,

unfortunately i sent the message below with a wrong subject. Please  
excuse.



So here´s my problem, maybe someone can help.

I want to write a XML file, which should be opened in MS Excel 2003.

I have 2 xml-files, each contains the same data, if opened in  
Ultraedit editor under Windows.


The first one was an Excelfile, which i exported to XML with Excel.  
This file can be reopened

in Excel without problems.
Here´s some sample code, how Rev reads the file (in Rev some  
characters are not shown like ultraedit shows them)


WSXGA 1680 x 1050  
Pixel, Helligkeit 300cd/m², Kontrast 1000:1, Bildwinkel 160°/160 
° (H/V), Reaktionszeit: 5ms, Pixelabstand: 0.258mm, Signal-Eingang:  
Analog (VGA) u. DVI-D (HDCP), Kensington-Lock, integriertes  
Netzteil, TCO '03, Pixelfehlerklasse II, TÃœV/GS, TÃœV Ergo, 473 x  
310 x 73 mm, 5.6 kg



The other one was created by me using a normal CSV file.
This one cannot be opened in Excel.

Here´s some sample code, how Rev reads that file

WSXGA 1680 x 1050  
Pixel, Helligkeit 300cd/m², Kontrast 1000:1, Bildwinkel 160°/160°  
(H/V), Reaktionszeit: 5ms, Pixelabstand: 0.258mm, Signal-Eingang:  
Analog (VGA) u. DVI-D (HDCP), Kensington-Lock, integriertes  
Netzteil, TCO '03, Pixelfehlerklasse II, TÜV/GS, TÜV Ergo, 473 x  
310 x 73 mm, 5.6 kg


As you can see, my "created" file contains for example the  
character for degree and also some german "umlaute".


The original xml file instead shows 2 characters for each of these  
characters.


How can i convert my "created" file, so these characters are like  
the ones in the export xml-file?


I hope, i was clear enough.

Regards,

Matthias



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Re-2: Problem with characters/special characters in XML

[runrev260805]

Hi Mark,

i don´t know how to do that.

Could you give me an example?

Regards,

Matthias

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Problem with characters/special characters in XML (21-Feb-2008 
1:09)
From:Mark Schonewille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Hi Matthias,
> 
> Have you tried converting the file to UTF8?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> --
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
> 
> Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter.  
> Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html
> 
> 
> 
> Op 21-feb-2008, om 1:01 heeft [EMAIL PROTECTED] het volgende  
> geschreven:
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > unfortunately i sent the message below with a wrong subject. Please  > 
> > excuse.
> >
> >
> > So here´s my problem, maybe someone can help.
> >
> > I want to write a XML file, which should be opened in MS Excel 2003.
> >
> > I have 2 xml-files, each contains the same data, if opened in  
> > Ultraedit editor under Windows.
> >
> > The first one was an Excelfile, which i exported to XML with Excel.  > This 
> > file can be reopened
> > in Excel without problems.
> > Here´s some sample code, how Rev reads the file (in Rev some  
> > characters are not shown like ultraedit shows them)
> >
> > WSXGA 1680 x 1050  > Pixel, 
> > Helligkeit 300cd/m², Kontrast 1000:1, Bildwinkel 160°/160 
> > ° (H/V), Reaktionszeit: 5ms, Pixelabstand: 0.258mm, Signal-Eingang:  > 
> > Analog (VGA) u. DVI-D (HDCP), Kensington-Lock, integriertes  
> > Netzteil, TCO '03, Pixelfehlerklasse II, TÃœV/GS, TÃœV Ergo, 473 x  
> > 310 x 73 mm, 5.6 kg
> >
> >
> > The other one was created by me using a normal CSV file.
> > This one cannot be opened in Excel.
> >
> > Here´s some sample code, how Rev reads that file
> >
> > WSXGA 1680 x 1050  > Pixel, 
> > Helligkeit 300cd/m², Kontrast 1000:1, Bildwinkel 160°/160°  
> > (H/V), Reaktionszeit: 5ms, Pixelabstand: 0.258mm, Signal-Eingang:  
> > Analog (VGA) u. DVI-D (HDCP), Kensington-Lock, integriertes  
> > Netzteil, TCO '03, Pixelfehlerklasse II, TÜV/GS, TÜV Ergo, 473 x  > 310 x 
> > 73 mm, 5.6 kg
> >
> > As you can see, my "created" file contains for example the  
> > character for degree and also some german "umlaute".
> >
> > The original xml file instead shows 2 characters for each of these  
> > characters.
> >
> > How can i convert my "created" file, so these characters are like  
> > the ones in the export xml-file?
> >
> > I hope, i was clear enough.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> >
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Extracting text from PDF

[Richard Gaskin]

Is there an easy way to do this in script?

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Re: Extracting text from PDF

[Luis]

Hiya,

Well, on OS X there's an Automator action that can extract the text from 
 a PDF, so I'd assume it's AppleScriptable. Don't know on the Windows 
side of things.


Cheers,

Luis.



Richard Gaskin wrote:


Is there an easy way to do this in script?


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DirectoryWalk a Remote Server?

[Scott Rossi]

Hello List:

Has anyone created a routine to conduct a recursive directory listing of a
remote server?  I don't believe the old directoryWalk script in the archives
can be used as it relies on setting the directory property.

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Re: upgrade pricing

[Kay C Lan]

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:43 AM, Colin Holgate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I recently bought Revolution, v2.8.1, and I'm getting the emails about
> a 2.9 upgrade. The upgrade price seems to be £149, which seems a lot
> for a 0.1 version increase, especially so soon after buying the
> product. Am I misunderstanding the pricing?
>

Yes :-)

£149 applies if your 1 year license has expired. I take 'recently bought'
meaning less than a year so you're entitled to an 'Early Update Pack':

http://www.runrev.com/buy/studio_early_update

which is £99.

If the e-mail you are talking about is the one about Pre-Order 2.9, then it
also mentions a 15% discount buy entering the supplied code at check-out, so
you'd actually be up for £85. Important to note that if you purchased an
Update Pack today your license is extended by a year, NOT from today, but
from whenever your current license is due to expire. You loose nothing by
updating early, just gain the discounted price.

Interesting, to 'reward my loyalty' to keeping my license updated I am
entitled to. the same 15% discount using the same discount code. Ghee I
wonder what the disloyal scum got ;-))

I just went over to Rev and purchased the Early Update with the discount and
it came to £84:15. I did to provide accurate info to this List (and if you
believe that you'd believe that loyalty bit really tugged at my heart
strings ;-)

Already got an e-mail from Rev telling me they've got my order and it will
be fully processed in 2 days.
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Re: DirectoryWalk a Remote Server?

[Chipp Walters]

Hey Scott,

This is Mac only.

Don't know if this will helpbut it does demonstrate manually walking
through directories (I think) on a Unix based machine (MacOSX). I don't have
my Mac w/me, but you may be able to cobble something together based upon
some of the code here:

altFileMgr
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altPluginDownload/Downloads.htm
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Re: DirectoryWalk a Remote Server?

[Chipp Walters]

You can access the stack in msg:
go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/revAltFileMgr.rev";

on second look, it appears to use the defaultfolder...sorry. But the idea is
do a directory listing via shell, which, IMO, should work.
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Re: DirectoryWalk a Remote Server?

[Mark Smith]

Scott, this function may be helpful. I've not tried it on a remote  
server...


function getDWShell pFolder
  if the platform is "Win32" then
 set the hideconsolewindows to true
  replace "/" with "\" in pFolder
  put shell("dir /s/b/a:-d-h" && q(pFolder)) into tFiles
  replace "\" with "/" in tFiles
  return tFiles
  else
   put shell("find " & q(pFolder) & " -type f") into fileList
   if the platform is "MacOS" then
  filter fileList without "*/.*"
   end if
   filter fileList without empty
   put unidecode(uniencode(fileList, "UTF8")) into fileList
   sort lines of fileList
   return fileList
  end if
end getDWShell

function q pStr
  return quote & pStr & quote
end q

Best,

Mark

On 21 Feb 2008, at 01:49, Scott Rossi wrote:


Hello List:

Has anyone created a routine to conduct a recursive directory  
listing of a
remote server?  I don't believe the old directoryWalk script in the  
archives

can be used as it relies on setting the directory property.

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Re: Extracting text from PDF

[Richard Gaskin]

Luis wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>> Is there an easy way to do this in script?
>
> Well, on OS X there's an Automator action that can extract the text
> from a PDF, so I'd assume it's AppleScriptable. Don't know on the
> Windows side of things.

Thank you, Luis. This is just a one-off, so Automator would be fine. 
But I looked through there earlier and couldn't find such an action (OS 
X 10.4.11).  Is this new to Leopard, or did I just miss something?


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Re: Extracting text from PDF

[Terry Judd]

On 21/2/08 2:02 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Luis wrote:
> 
>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there an easy way to do this in script?
>> 
>> Well, on OS X there's an Automator action that can extract the text
>> from a PDF, so I'd assume it's AppleScriptable. Don't know on the
>> Windows side of things.
> 
> Thank you, Luis. This is just a one-off, so Automator would be fine.
> But I looked through there earlier and couldn't find such an action (OS
> X 10.4.11).  Is this new to Leopard, or did I just miss something?

I couldn't find it either (10.4.11 here as well) and Preview isn't
applescriptable so you might have to resort to scripting Adobe Reader
(ugly?)

Terry...

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Re: 2.9 b4

[J. Landman Gay]

Hershel Fisch wrote:

On 2/20/08 4:59 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hershel Fisch wrote:


Yes, I'm sorry about that I do understand but actualy now found out that
there is another list to post on
And by the way, J, didn't you put yours as well?

Yes, but on second thought I probably shouldn't have.

Well that's why on third thought I apologized :-)


All we need is a fourth and we can play bridge. :)

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Re: Extracting text from PDF

[Thomas McGrath III]

In Automator 2.0.1(156) there is a whole section for PDFs. The one in  
question is "Extract PDF Text"


I am using 10.5.2

Which makes me ask if it is possible to create an automator in 10.5  
and use it in 10.4 ???
I never tried this before. Tell me what you want and maybe we can try  
it.


Tom


On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:13 PM, Terry Judd wrote:

On 21/2/08 2:02 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



Luis wrote:


Richard Gaskin wrote:


Is there an easy way to do this in script?


Well, on OS X there's an Automator action that can extract the text
from a PDF, so I'd assume it's AppleScriptable. Don't know on the
Windows side of things.


Thank you, Luis. This is just a one-off, so Automator would be fine.
But I looked through there earlier and couldn't find such an action  
(OS

X 10.4.11).  Is this new to Leopard, or did I just miss something?


I couldn't find it either (10.4.11 here as well) and Preview isn't
applescriptable so you might have to resort to scripting Adobe Reader
(ugly?)

Terry...

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Re: Question with CGI at JaguarPC..

[Chipp Walters]

Spent some time with Andre this evening, and he sent me the 2.9 dp3 Linux
engine, which also didn't work. Then he looked at the top of my CGI script
and saw this:

#!revolution

and he changed it to this:

#!revolution -ui

and everything worked. Evidently the -ui switch means "run without graphics
interface" and is necessary when using the current versions of the rev
engine (Linux).

HTH, Chipp
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Re: Extracting text from PDF

[Jan Schenkel]

--- Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Is there an easy way to do this in script?
> 
> -- 
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Media Corporation
>  

Hi Richard et al,

Extracting text from a PDF file is possible, and can
indeed be done via scripting, though not for all files
until you've climbed the decompression, decryption and
decoding mountains.
But that's actually just the start of it: PDF is just
about the worst text file format in history. Even
after stripping out the intermingled styling and
positioning instructions, you're left with a bunch of
strings which may not necessarily be in the correct
order.
The applications that are out there to convert PDF to
Word files, have a lot in common with Optical
Character Recognition (OCR) applications, which
attempt to convert scanned images to text, in that
they apply algorithms to "collate" the pieces of text
into a collection of words and paragraphs.
Heck, even Adobe Reader, Apple Preview and other PDF
viewers have to "best-guess" what text makes up a
sentence when you use the text selection tool.
Granted, a good number of files can be read
sequentially and churn out the strings in a reasonably
effective order - but all bets are off if you takea
random document that came out of graphically-oriented
tools where people play around with layers and filter
effects.

Sorry to disappoint you,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution


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Re: RevCGI Hosts?

[Andre Garzia]

Richard,

you can use RocketsSendmail library from the RevOnRockets package to
send email, you'll probably need to change the path to the sendmail
application in there, but after that you should be able to send emails
in one line of code.

Andre

On 2/20/08, Richard Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options:
>
>  1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With libsmtp253
>  or something else?
>
>  2. can you use the "put x into ftp:url z" syntax or some other
>  language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on
>  another server?
>
>  Thanks.
>
> Richard Miller
>
>
>
>
>  On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:
>
>  >
>  > On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>  >
>  >> You and others here got me to take a look at DreamHost, and I've
>  >> been very happy with them over the last year since I signed on.
>  >
>  > I have both a Dreamhost and JaguarPC account.  I am about to close
>  > out our JaguarPC accounts as their ftp upload max speed is around
>  > 125KB/sec.  I can saturate my pipe at 2 MB/Sec with DreamHost.
>  > Gotta love FIOS!
>  >
>  >
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Shakobox/PlayCommand and Rev 2.9

[René Micout]

Hello,
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