Re: copying icons from other apple programs

[René Micout]

Thank you !
In french it is the same : "deux pour le prix d'un"
In other domain : I think "Post it" and "Walkman" are two products  
resulting from an error (?)

René from Paris

Le 26 juin 08 à 08:51, Kay C Lan a écrit :

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:31 PM, René Micout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



I am sorry, but it is the fault of my elementary english (my poor  
english),
I understand (in my head, my french head !) : "I need a tool for  
magnify

the image of an icon"
and not : "I need the image of an icon of a manifying tool"

No need to be sorry. The best thing is we've got two solutions  
from one
question; Pixie if you need to magnify an icon or image, and an  
Apple ADC

reference that says 'go ahead and use these icons'.

In English, 'two for the price of one'. And yes, I am 'too afraid  
to say a
stupidity' so I won't try and translate to French having only done  
French in

High School for 1 term, a very long time ago.
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Happy birthday Björnke

[Malte Brill]

Hey my man!

All the best wishes to your birthday. Hope to catch you on chatrev  
some time today. :)


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Re: copying icons from other apple programs

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Richard and everyone else,

Looking at the Dev tools inerface, I must conclude it is the latter:  
use of the images, but without a right to copy them physicall to other  
development environments. When I create a simple project with the  
standalone magnifying glass picture from the Media library and save or  
build that project, I don't see the picture included. It might be  
there, but it is not readily available.


I haven't seen any explicit statement, saying that copying to a  
different development environment is allowed. It is very easy to  
reproduce these pictures in your own icon editor, though. I can hardly  
imagine that Apple sees a problem in that.


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On 25 jun 2008, at 20:33, Richard Gaskin wrote:


There may be a fine point here.  I'm no attorney, and I haven't been  
a paying member of ADC in many years so I don't know the fine print,  
but as someone who's had an Apple exec brag to him that the company  
has more lawyers than engineers, I have to wonder:


Are developers allowed to physically copy the icon image, or is it  
merely allowable to render the icon my making the API call provided?


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Les Anglophones avec les langues excrables.

[Richmond Mathewson]

Dear Rene, Viktorias, Klaus, et al,

There should be no need whatsoever to apologise about the state of your 
English. Most native English speakers are notoriously bad at other languages.

As a speaker of:

Scots,
really bad schoolboy French,
Scotticised English,
bucket Bulgarian,

and various bits and bobs of Hebrew and Arabic

I can honestly say that I speak from a position of authority in this area!

Forbye on the RR list we should be endlessly impressed that the non-native 
speakers take such very great pains to write their messages in English at all.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



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Re: Manipulating Raw Picture Data

[viktoras didziulis]

just played around a little with this handler on 600x500 image (MS 
Windows XP, RR 2.9, Intel Celeron 1500 MHz):


on  repColor
local myData
local myTimer
local myColor1
local myColor2

put binaryEncode("C3",myRed,myGreen,myBlue) into myColor1  
put binaryEncode("C3",myRed2,myGreen2,myBlue2) into myColor2


 put the milliseconds into myTimer
 put the imageData of img "im1" into myData 
 replace myColor1 with myColor2 in myData

 set the imageData of img "im1" to myData
 put (the milliseconds) - myTimer & return after fld "fTimer"
end repColor

in development environment with paintcompression set to default ("PNG") 
it takes around 635 milliseconds.
If before loading your image you do this: set the paintcompression to 
"RLE" (which is the default in standalones)
the same color replacement handler takes just 77 milliseconds, which is 
~ 9 times faster!


Now if only we'd know what exactly rle format is used by RR, then we 
should be able to do:
put the text of img "im1" into myData 
replace myColor1 with myColor2 in myData

set the text of img "im1" to myData

unfortunately now this damages the image but otherwise it would take 
only ~25 milliseconds.


All the best!
Viktoras


Mark Greenberg wrote:
I have an image where different regions consist of known colors. I 
would like to fill a region with color at runtime as a sort of 
highlight. The situation does not lend itself to using separate 
transparent png images. I have been using the floodfill bucket tool to 
achieve this, but it is slow and doesn't work right when I compile to 
standalone.


I've read various threads on manipulating the raw picture data and 
seen a couple of stacks like that. It seems a bit beyond my skills as 
a casual programmer, but I may need to give it a try. Two questions: 
would sampling every pixel in a 600x400 image and possibly changing 
the pixel's color be fast enough to seem like a highlight to the user? 
and how would I go about doing that?


Thanks in Advance,

Mark Greenberg
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Re: Les Anglophones avec les langues excrables.

[Klaus Major]

Hola Richmond,


Dear Rene, Viktorias, Klaus, et al,

There should be no need whatsoever to apologise about the state of  
your English.


I NEVER did! :-D


Most native English speakers are notoriously bad at other languages.
As a speaker of:
Scots,
really bad schoolboy French,
Scotticised English,
bucket Bulgarian,
and various bits and bobs of Hebrew and Arabic
I can honestly say that I speak from a position of authority in this  
area!
Forbye on the RR list we should be endlessly impressed that the non- 
native speakers take such very great pains to write their messages  
in English at all.


sincerely, Richmond Mathewson


Regards

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de


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Re: Les Anglophones avec les langues excrables.

[René Micout]

Hello Richmond,
Une page d'humour franco-anglaise (franglo) :
Your title : "Les Anglophones avec les langues  
excrables" ("exécrables", I suppose) is a good example of the  
difficulty...
I suppose you want to say "the Anglophones are not good with foreign  
languages" but you have said "the relation of the Anglophones with  
execrable languages" witch suppose you think that other languages are  
execrable... :-) it is not wrong sometime :-)
In good french your title should have been : "La pratique des langues  
étrangères par les anglophones est exécrable", it is not simple and  
it is not a very good french, this is better : "le peu d'intérêt des  
anglophones pour la pratique des langues étrangères", we can see that  
french isl   o   n   g   and not very simple... :-) :-) :-)

René from Paris

Le 26 juin 08 à 11:14, Richmond Mathewson a écrit :


Dear Rene, Viktorias, Klaus, et al,

There should be no need whatsoever to apologise about the state of  
your English. Most native English speakers are notoriously bad at  
other languages.


As a speaker of:

Scots,
really bad schoolboy French,
Scotticised English,
bucket Bulgarian,

and various bits and bobs of Hebrew and Arabic

I can honestly say that I speak from a position of authority in  
this area!


Forbye on the RR list we should be endlessly impressed that the non- 
native speakers take such very great pains to write their messages  
in English at all.


sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



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Re: Happy Birthday Klaus

[wolfgang bereuter]

On 25.06.2008, at 22:14, Klaus Major wrote:


Bonjour Klaus,
From Malte, I hear you are finally fifteen years old:


Oh come on! I am finally EIGHTEEN now :-D


dann alles gute zum achtzehnten ;)

lg
wolfgang bereuter
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http://www.mental-kauen.com - Geh Abnehmen!
http://www.demel.com - Mail mit!
http://www.kidac.com - Roman kommt erst.
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Re: The Definitive List of RR Projects

[Mark Schonewille]

Eric, do you know how I can add my websites to the 40 that are  
available in the search engine by default?


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On 25 jun 2008, at 22:03, Eric Chatonet wrote:


Not sure about this and this is regularly pointed out by many:
The Rev Search Engine allows you to search, among others, Rev  
Online, RevNet and a set of 40 websites dedicated to Revolution with  
simple keywords.

Of course, it's not complete but probably the more comprehensive :-)
In addition, you can add any url you want to its database.



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Re: Collection of one- and few-liners? (was: Where is the web site?)

[Mark Schonewille]

Wilhelm: http://www.runrev.info

If you send me your nifty one-liners, I will add them. I update the  
website approximately every 6 months.


I am very slowly working on a more dynamic version of the web site.  
Very slowly... :-)


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On 25 jun 2008, at 21:07, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:


On Sun Jun 22, 2008, Mark Schonewille wrote:

This is by several dimensions better than James's and my own  
"kludge"-solution. I had something similar in the back of my mind -  
I think it was from Jacqueline - but I could not find it among my  
stored script examples.


This brings me to to the question: Is there anywhere a collection of  
useful one-liners and "few-liners"? If there isn't one, should we  
establish one and where should we put it for public access?


What about Hugh Senior's Scripter's Scrapbook?

Regards,

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Re: The Definitive List of RR Projects

[Eric Chatonet]

Bonjour Mark,

Letting apart that the RSE is broken about searching the dictionary  
with 3.0 (this has been fixed yet and will be available in the next  
build), it's easy to add an url:
Display the 'Web Database' pane, right click on the 'Display' button  
at the bottom of RSE window and choose 'Add Web Reference...' menu item.
You'll be prompted to enter an url and the name used to display it in  
the list.
Actually a right click on this button allows many things according to  
the selected pane: I let you discover them :-)


Le 26 juin 08 à 14:09, Mark Schonewille a écrit :

Eric, do you know how I can add my websites to the 40 that are  
available in the search engine by default?


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On 25 jun 2008, at 22:03, Eric Chatonet wrote:


Not sure about this and this is regularly pointed out by many:
The Rev Search Engine allows you to search, among others, Rev  
Online, RevNet and a set of 40 websites dedicated to Revolution  
with simple keywords.

Of course, it's not complete but probably the more comprehensive :-)
In addition, you can add any url you want to its database.



Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
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Re: The Definitive List of RR Projects

[Mark Schonewille]

Eric,

I don't want to add a URL locally. I want to submit it. Publicly. Make  
it part of those 40. How?


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On 26 jun 2008, at 14:17, Eric Chatonet wrote:


Bonjour Mark,

Letting apart that the RSE is broken about searching the dictionary  
with 3.0 (this has been fixed yet and will be available in the next  
build), it's easy to add an url:
Display the 'Web Database' pane, right click on the 'Display' button  
at the bottom of RSE window and choose 'Add Web Reference...' menu  
item.
You'll be prompted to enter an url and the name used to display it  
in the list.
Actually a right click on this button allows many things according  
to the selected pane: I let you discover them :-)


Le 26 juin 08 à 14:09, Mark Schonewille a écrit :

Eric, do you know how I can add my websites to the 40 that are  
available in the search engine by default?


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On 25 jun 2008, at 22:03, Eric Chatonet wrote:


Not sure about this and this is regularly pointed out by many:
The Rev Search Engine allows you to search, among others, Rev  
Online, RevNet and a set of 40 websites dedicated to Revolution  
with simple keywords.

Of course, it's not complete but probably the more comprehensive :-)
In addition, you can add any url you want to its database.



Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/



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Re: The Definitive List of RR Projects

[Eric Chatonet]

Mark,

Sorry, I missed your point:
As for this, there is only one way: write to me off list :-)

Le 26 juin 08 à 14:33, Mark Schonewille a écrit :


Eric,

I don't want to add a URL locally. I want to submit it. Publicly.  
Make it part of those 40. How?


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On 26 jun 2008, at 14:17, Eric Chatonet wrote:


Bonjour Mark,

Letting apart that the RSE is broken about searching the  
dictionary with 3.0 (this has been fixed yet and will be available  
in the next build), it's easy to add an url:
Display the 'Web Database' pane, right click on the 'Display'  
button at the bottom of RSE window and choose 'Add Web  
Reference...' menu item.
You'll be prompted to enter an url and the name used to display it  
in the list.
Actually a right click on this button allows many things according  
to the selected pane: I let you discover them :-)


Le 26 juin 08 à 14:09, Mark Schonewille a écrit :

Eric, do you know how I can add my websites to the 40 that are  
available in the search engine by default?


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Best regards from Paris,
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Re: The Definitive List of RR Projects

[Mark Schonewille]

Alright, will do.

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On 26 jun 2008, at 14:35, Eric Chatonet wrote:


Mark,

Sorry, I missed your point:
As for this, there is only one way: write to me off list :-)

Le 26 juin 08 à 14:33, Mark Schonewille a écrit :


Eric,

I don't want to add a URL locally. I want to submit it. Publicly.  
Make it part of those 40. How?




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Very simple cursor problem

[stevex64]

Hi all,
This seems as basic as it can get. I have an image on a background. On
mouseEnter and mouseLeave it calls a simple handler in the stack script. The
script uses a switch statement. On mouseEnter I "set cursor to hand". On
mouseLeave I "set cursor to arrow". I know the script gets executed because
I put "put" statements in that put unique messages for mouseEnter and
mouseLeave. BUT, the cursor never changes.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

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Re: Checking Internet connection on Vista

[Alex Tweedly]

Eric Chatonet wrote:

Bernard,

Of course I can't send a GET request (or a LOAD): the software (I 
cross my fingers :-) will be used by hundred thousands of persons (I 
hope more :-)...


I'm not at all convinced that would be a problem. Every copy of Vista 
has the browser set to use the same default home page (probably 
msn.com); every download of Firefox is set to use the same home page - 
so there are millions of users doing a get on one of 3 or 4 highly 
popular pages every time they start their browser. "hundreds of 
thousands" of your users checking once per time they run your app is 
insignificant.


Once you ship more copies than Firefox you can start to worry :-)

However, there is a more serious problem than that 

anything (HostNametoAddress, or openSocket, or ..) that uses a host name 
will try to do a DNS lookup on the host. So you are almost guaranteed 
that when the Internet connection is down, there can be a variable, but 
multi-second long, delay. Even worse, there is a distinct possibility 
that you will get a "false positive" result from HostNametoAddress due 
to DNS caching - any responsible host/domain will give a reasonably long 
DNS cache period, so if anyone on your local network has recently 
connected to the chosen host, its IP address will be cached on the 
Netgear (or equivalent), and therefore it can respond with an IP address 
without using, or checking, the Internet connection.



I'll try what I can get from a simple openSocket but I guess that 
HostNametoAddress built-in function uses it.

That's the problem...



I'd suggest storing some numeric IP addresses, and doing something like
  shell("ping " & tIPAddr)
and checking the output for success. You could equally do a get or load 
on the numeric IP Address.


You could periodically (even every time the app is run - but not in a 
user-visible delay path) do a shell ("nslookup" && tHostName) to refresh 
your list of IP addresss.



Le 20 juin 08 à 18:07, Bernard Devlin a écrit :

Maybe the most reliable time-critical way to check would be to open 
your own

socket on port 80 to something like www.google.com.  By setting the
SocketTimeoutInterval to a low value you would find out quickly if the
timeout occured without a response.  I'm thinking that you would not 
even

send a GET request, just see if the socket could be opened.

bernard

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Eric Chatonet <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thanks for testing at your place: it's invaluable :-)
Tests I made were with the router connected but the ADSL modem 
disconnected

and I'm afraid it is the delay reason.

Le 20 juin 08 à 17:45, Bernard Devlin a écrit :


 I done some further tests, and mostly I'm getting a result with the 
router
disconnected of less than 30ms now.  I can't reproduce the case 
where I

got
14 seconds.  I had a look at socketTimeoutInterval and it seemed to 
make

no
difference at all.  Still, if you are getting lengthy delays then 
it looks

like this is not an adequate way to get a speedy test to see if the
internet
connection is still alive.

Bernard

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Eric Chatonet <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 Your allusion about SocketTimeoutInterval seems to be very well 
thought

:-)
The problem is that I (the user) can't accept more than a 200 ms 
hang and

this could be not enough when he is regularly connected.
So this fails to address the problem :-(


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Re: Clearing Dead Groups

[Bob Sneidar]

They may be hidden. Check for the objects in the Application Browser.  
Expand each card until you see fields and buttons and such. Also, if  
they were groups used as Menus, they will not be visible to the card  
as their positions will be above the topmost boundary of the cards on  
which they reside.


Bob Sneidar
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Logos Management
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On Jun 23, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Mikey wrote:

I believe this is untrue.  I'm using 2.9.1.  This stack has three  
cards, and
nowhere on any of the three cards do any of the dead groups appear,  
yet they

appear in the Place menu.


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Re: Very simple cursor problem

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Steve,

The cursor changes, but you can't see it. Set the lockCursor to true  
or use the command "lock cursor" to keep the new state of the cursor.  
Unlock the cursor to see the default cursor(s) again.


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On 20 jun 2008, at 14:12, stevex64 wrote:



Hi all,
This seems as basic as it can get. I have an image on a background. On
mouseEnter and mouseLeave it calls a simple handler in the stack  
script. The
script uses a switch statement. On mouseEnter I "set cursor to  
hand". On
mouseLeave I "set cursor to arrow". I know the script gets executed  
because

I put "put" statements in that put unique messages for mouseEnter and
mouseLeave. BUT, the cursor never changes.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Steve




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Re: Clearing Dead Groups

[Mikey]

Tried all of that.  Like I said, ultimately I succeeded, but it required
placing the group, ungrouping, then deleting each of the objects in the
group individually.  Even clicking on the group and hitting "delete" (and
trying to do it from the msg box) didn't work.

Anyway, thanks again for the input, everyone.


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Re: Clearing Dead Groups

[J. Landman Gay]

Mikey wrote:

Tried all of that.  Like I said, ultimately I succeeded, but it required
placing the group, ungrouping, then deleting each of the objects in the
group individually.  Even clicking on the group and hitting "delete" (and
trying to do it from the msg box) didn't work.

Anyway, thanks again for the input, everyone.




Was the group's "cantDelete" property set to true? That would prevent 
deletion. I can't think of any other reason you couldn't delete it, as 
generally it's effortless.


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Re: Checking Internet connection on Vista

[Eric Chatonet]

Bonjour LAex,

LOL a bit...
You are right...

Finally I ended with something close to your proposal:

function InternetConnected
  local tAddress,tResult
  -
  put line 1 of hostNameToAddress(the uTestUrl of stack "VTCommon")  
into tAddress

  if tAddress = empty then return false
  set hideconsolewindows to true
  put shell(quote & "ping -n 1 -w 1000" && tAddress & quote) into  
tResult

  set hideconsolewindows to false
  return the number of lines of tResult > 10
end InternetConnected

It's for Windows, of course.
As it sets a timeout, it seems not too bad even if it is not the best...
In addition, it takes into account buffering you were talking about  
and, yes, it can be a problem.


Le 21 juin 08 à 01:36, Alex Tweedly a écrit :


Eric Chatonet wrote:

Bernard,

Of course I can't send a GET request (or a LOAD): the software (I  
cross my fingers :-) will be used by hundred thousands of persons  
(I hope more :-)...


I'm not at all convinced that would be a problem. Every copy of  
Vista has the browser set to use the same default home page  
(probably msn.com); every download of Firefox is set to use the  
same home page - so there are millions of users doing a get on one  
of 3 or 4 highly popular pages every time they start their browser.  
"hundreds of thousands" of your users checking once per time they  
run your app is insignificant.


Once you ship more copies than Firefox you can start to worry :-)

However, there is a more serious problem than that 

anything (HostNametoAddress, or openSocket, or ..) that uses a host  
name will try to do a DNS lookup on the host. So you are almost  
guaranteed that when the Internet connection is down, there can be  
a variable, but multi-second long, delay. Even worse, there is a  
distinct possibility that you will get a "false positive" result  
from HostNametoAddress due to DNS caching - any responsible host/ 
domain will give a reasonably long DNS cache period, so if anyone  
on your local network has recently connected to the chosen host,  
its IP address will be cached on the Netgear (or equivalent), and  
therefore it can respond with an IP address without using, or  
checking, the Internet connection.



I'll try what I can get from a simple openSocket but I guess that  
HostNametoAddress built-in function uses it.

That's the problem...



I'd suggest storing some numeric IP addresses, and doing something  
like

  shell("ping " & tIPAddr)
and checking the output for success. You could equally do a get or  
load on the numeric IP Address.


You could periodically (even every time the app is run - but not in  
a user-visible delay path) do a shell ("nslookup" && tHostName) to  
refresh your list of IP addresss.



Le 20 juin 08 à 18:07, Bernard Devlin a écrit :

Maybe the most reliable time-critical way to check would be to  
open your own

socket on port 80 to something like www.google.com.  By setting the
SocketTimeoutInterval to a low value you would find out quickly  
if the
timeout occured without a response.  I'm thinking that you would  
not even

send a GET request, just see if the socket could be opened.

bernard

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Eric Chatonet <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thanks for testing at your place: it's invaluable :-)
Tests I made were with the router connected but the ADSL modem  
disconnected

and I'm afraid it is the delay reason.

Le 20 juin 08 à 17:45, Bernard Devlin a écrit :


 I done some further tests, and mostly I'm getting a result with  
the router
disconnected of less than 30ms now.  I can't reproduce the case  
where I

got
14 seconds.  I had a look at socketTimeoutInterval and it  
seemed to make

no
difference at all.  Still, if you are getting lengthy delays  
then it looks
like this is not an adequate way to get a speedy test to see if  
the

internet
connection is still alive.

Bernard

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Eric Chatonet <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 Your allusion about SocketTimeoutInterval seems to be very  
well thought

:-)
The problem is that I (the user) can't accept more than a 200  
ms hang and

this could be not enough when he is regularly connected.
So this fails to address the problem :-(


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Re: Happy Birthday Klaus

[Klaus Major]

Hi all,



Le 25-juin-08 à 22:14, Klaus Major a écrit :


Oh come on! I am finally EIGHTEEN now :-D


I'll have one more glass on you all, dear listees!



Hi Klaus,
happy birthday to you from Belgium


Merci a Belgique, mon ami!


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
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Am 26.06.2008 um 02:29 schrieb Josh Mellicker:

On Jun 25, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Klaus Major wrote:


Oh come on! I am finally EIGHTEEN now :-D


Three more years and I can buy you a drink! No, wait, that's only  
in the U.S.


Yes, but I diedn't knew that you are also that young ;-)


Anyway, have a great birthday and year from sunny LA!


Thanks Josh!


Am 26.06.2008 um 03:02 schrieb Andre Garzia:

Hey Klaus,


Bom dias, Andre,


Parabens!! This is good spanis^H^H^H^H^H^HPortuguese!
All the best! So we're both eighteen now :D


Yes, that's true!


I hope all is well, and we will meet again! :D


Yes, I am fine, thanks.
Hope we'll meet in Malta next time!


Best

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OSX file sharing - Rev

[Richard Miller]

Anyone know how I can use Rev to turn on/off file sharing on a Mac? I  
can't quite put my finger on the Applescript commands that would do  
this.


Thanks.
Richard Miller
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Re: Problem with send command???

[Mark Wieder]

Dave-

> send "TestIt myArray,1" to myHandlerLocation
>
> Is there no way of doing this in RunRev?

It's bz#3610 by way of #5831: the "send" command doesn't take array 
arguments.

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Re: database scripts location

[Mark Wieder]

Mikey-

> Other than the rev query builder, where else are the database scripts 
> (e.g.
> revdb_columnnames) located again?


I'm a bit confused, too. Are you looking to hack the library routines or 
just wondering about the handlers?
revdb_columnnames() is an alias for revDatabaseColumnNames(), if that helps 
any.
Otherwise, look at the script of button "revDatabase" of card id 1002 of 
stack "revLibrary".

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Re: Setting Geometry Manager Properties For A Stack

[Mark Wieder]

Mikey-

> As usual, the answer is so simple.  I am completely brain-mashed from too
> many years of tools that aren't so reasonable.


rotfl. I know that feeling well.

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Les Anglophones avec les langues excrables.

[Richmond Mathewson]

Toutes mes langues sont exécrables!

Mais ma Francais et trop exécrable; je n'ai parlé pour vingt années; et en 1988 
j'ai traivaillé en Egypt! et nous comprennons la langue Francais Nord-Africain!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.



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Re: Problem with send command???

[Jim Ault]

You can use the compress function in Rev

put compress(myArray) into myArray
send "TestIt myArray,1" to myHandlerLocation

on myHandlerLocation comprArr, intgr
   put decompress(comprArr) into normalArr
   ...
end myHandlerLocation

Hope this will work for you.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 6/26/08 10:23 AM, "Mark Wieder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dave-
> 
>> send "TestIt myArray,1" to myHandlerLocation
>> 
>> Is there no way of doing this in RunRev?
> 
> It's bz#3610 by way of #5831: the "send" command doesn't take array
> arguments.


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Re: Les Anglophones avec les langues excrables.

[René Micout]

Malgré tout, j'ai tout compris > after all, I have understand !
Sincerely
René from Paris

Le 26 juin 08 à 20:28, Richmond Mathewson a écrit :


Toutes mes langues sont exécrables!

Mais ma Francais et trop exécrable; je n'ai parlé pour vingt  
années; et en 1988 j'ai traivaillé en Egypt! et nous comprennons la  
langue Francais Nord-Africain!


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Re: OSX file sharing - Rev

[Jim Sims]

On Jun 26, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Richard Miller wrote:

Anyone know how I can use Rev to turn on/off file sharing on a Mac?  
I can't quite put my finger on the Applescript commands that would  
do this.


Maybe a shell command might be the place to look.

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Re: OSX file sharing - Rev

[Jim Ault]

This is the way I am familiar with.  The security issues can be tricky since
this could run without the users knowledge.

--Applescript code:--

do shell script "/usr/sbin/AppleFileServer" password "x" with administrator
privileges

Turning off with:
do shell script "/usr/bin/killall AppleFileServer" password "x" with
administrator privileges
-
"x" is your administrator password!

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 6/26/08 10:16 AM, "Richard Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anyone know how I can use Rev to turn on/off file sharing on a Mac? I
> can't quite put my finger on the Applescript commands that would do
> this.
> 
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller


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Re: Problem with send command???

[Richard Gaskin]

Jim Ault wrote:
> You can use the compress function in Rev
>
>  put compress(myArray) into myArray
>  send "TestIt myArray,1" to myHandlerLocation
>
>  on myHandlerLocation comprArr, intgr
>put decompress(comprArr) into normalArr
>...
>  end myHandlerLocation

Nice.  I didn't know you could use compress with arrays.  Handy.

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What Goes in a Theme Pack?

[Lynn Fredricks]

Hi all,

After watching Scott Rossi's presentation at Revolution Live, I set my mind
to having some theme packs produced for Revolution - that is, starter
templates that include buttons and other controls that are all color
coordinated, with some minimal visual effects (keeping in mind we don't have
accelerated graphics here).

What are some of the elements you all think should go into something like
this? These would be primarily for presentation style initially. Id think we
need basic buttons (navigational) and various alert type graphics. We
already have loads of audio content to go along with these.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Mirye Software Publishing
http://www.mirye.com

Mirye Community NING
http://miryesoftware.ning.com 

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Re: Manipulating Raw Picture Data

[Wilhelm Sanke]

Mark Greenberg markgreenberg at cox.net wrote:

I have an image where different regions consist of known colors. I  
would like to fill a region with color at runtime as a sort of  
highlight. The situation does not lend itself to using separate  
transparent png images. I have been using the floodfill bucket tool  
to achieve this, but it is slow and doesn't work right when I compile  
to standalone.


(snip)

Two questions:  
would sampling every pixel in a 600x400 image and possibly changing  
the pixel's color be fast enough to seem like a highlight to the  
user? and how would I go about doing that?


Thanks in Advance,

Mark Greenberg




I assume that with highlighting specific regions you mean

- changing the image for a short moment and then revert to the original 
picture?


Chipp's suggestion


I doubt it will be fast enough for you. Why don't you try using a graphic
rectangle on top using an ink effect?



seems to me a good starting point.
I have found that for such a rectangle a usable color would be 
236,233,88 with the ink set to "srcAnd" (on Windows, on MacOS you need a 
different ink).


If you want to hilite only specific parts - and maybe regions at the 
same time that are not connected - then create appropriate polygons and 
show/hide them.


I have as one example implemented such an approach in my sample stack 
"Image and Words"




Another suggestion:

Change the colors of the image you want to change and save its imagedata 
in a custom property.

Set another custom property to the imagedata of the original image.

Then use a script like this:

on mouseUp
 set the imagedata of img 1 to the cpcolors2 of this card # changed colors
 wait 200 milliseconds # or any time you choose
 set the imagedata of img 1 to the cpcolors1 of this card # original image
end mouseUp

This "highlighting" is instantaneous, but you need to set the 
paintcompression to RLE before (There is definitely no need to set the 
paintcompression to RLE at the time you import the image, the faster 
tempo of RLE will be working any time after you have set it - I think 
this may read differently in the docs, but then the docs are wrong here)


Regards,

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Re: What Goes in a Theme Pack?

[Richard Gaskin]

Lynn Fredricks wrote:


After watching Scott Rossi's presentation at Revolution Live, I set my mind
to having some theme packs produced for Revolution - that is, starter
templates that include buttons and other controls that are all color
coordinated, with some minimal visual effects (keeping in mind we don't have
accelerated graphics here).

What are some of the elements you all think should go into something like
this? 


If they don't include vector sources (preferably in Fireworks format, 
but I realize I'm in the minority on that one) they'll be of limited value.


Inevitably any stock graphic will be close-but-not-exactly-what-we-need. 
 Providing vector sources allows folks to modify every aspect of the 
image to coordinate with other elements in their UI.


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Re: Problem with send command???

[Jim Ault]

Oh crap.  Correction.
I did this from memory and paid the price.
I left out one operation, and it is good that Richard questioned my answer


On 6/26/08 12:01 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jim Ault wrote:
>> You can use the compress function in Rev
>> 
combine myArray using cr and tab
>>  put compress(myArray) into myArray
>>  send "TestIt myArray,1" to myHandlerLocation
>> 
>>  on myHandlerLocation comprArr, intgr
>>put decompress(comprArr) into normalArr
split normalArr using cr and tab
>>...
>>  end myHandlerLocation
> 
> Nice.  I didn't know you could use compress with arrays.  Handy.

...which means the compress function is not necessary.  I did this when
sending arrays via UDP and wanted the smallest packet size.  Thus did
COMBINE + COMPRESS

This handler works without compress

get myArray 
combine it using cr and tab
send "TestIt myArray,1" to myHandlerLocation

on myHandlerLocation arrayAsString, intgr
split arrayAsString using cr and tab
...
 end myHandlerLocation

Jim Ault
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RE: What Goes in a Theme Pack?

[Lynn Fredricks]

Hi Richard,

> If they don't include vector sources (preferably in Fireworks 
> format, but I realize I'm in the minority on that one) 
> they'll be of limited value.
> 
> Inevitably any stock graphic will be 
> close-but-not-exactly-what-we-need. 
>   Providing vector sources allows folks to modify every 
> aspect of the image to coordinate with other elements in their UI.

Don't you think Fireworks vectors are kind of hard because of compatibility
with other products? Don't you think .ai would be better? Including original
stuff isnt a problem.

BTW, I use Fireworks myself and far, far prefer it to working with Photoshop
:-) Im so very glad it was ImageReady and not Fireworks that suffered from
the Adobe acquisition.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
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http://www.mirye.com

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Re: What Goes in a Theme Pack?

[Richard Gaskin]

Lynn Fredricks wrote:

If they don't include vector sources (preferably in Fireworks 
format, but I realize I'm in the minority on that one) 
they'll be of limited value.


Inevitably any stock graphic will be 
close-but-not-exactly-what-we-need. 
  Providing vector sources allows folks to modify every 
aspect of the image to coordinate with other elements in their UI.


Don't you think Fireworks vectors are kind of hard because of compatibility
with other products?


Of course, as I noted.  Being the best tool for crafting GUI graphics 
doesn't make it the most popular. :)



Don't you think .ai would be better? Including original
stuff isnt a problem.


EPS would be a tad more universal, but either should be okay.


BTW, I use Fireworks myself and far, far prefer it to working with Photoshop
:-) Im so very glad it was ImageReady and not Fireworks that suffered from
the Adobe acquisition.


I've talked with a variety of Adobe folks about Fireworks.  They're all 
high.  Their answer across the board is "Use Photoshop.  It's better!" 
It's as though they've never even booted the product they acquired.


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Re: Problem with send command???

[Mark Wieder]

Jim-

Or, more generically,

(button script)
on mouseUp
  local tMyArray
  local tName, tValue

  -- insert sample data
  put 42 into tMyArray["Vera"]
  put 42 into tMyArray["Chuck"]
  put "Dave" into tName
  put 123 into tValue
  combine tMyArray using cr and tab
  send "TestIt tMyArray, tName, tValue" to this stack
  put the result into tMyArray
  split tMyArray using cr and tab
  -- verify the test
  put the keys of tMyArray into field 1
end mouseUp

(stack script)
on TestIt pArray, pName, pInt
  split pArray using cr and tab
  put pInt into pArray[pName]
  combine pArray using cr and tab
  return pArray
end TestIt

...and thanks for the tip. This is way useful.

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Re: What Goes in a Theme Pack?

[Chipp Walters]

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> If they don't include vector sources (preferably in Fireworks format, but I
> realize I'm in the minority on that one) they'll be of limited value.


Richard,

Perhaps...But, ButtonGadget creates all sorts of buttons in all sizes
without Vector Graphics. It uses a technique we call "SmartStretch" which
enables one to resize a bitmap distortion free, thus enabling Rev users to
easily create buttons of various sizes from existing buttons.
www.buttongadget.com

-Chipp
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Re: OSX file sharing - Rev

[Richard Miller]

Thanks Jim. Seems to work fine so far.
Richard



On Jun 26, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

This is the way I am familiar with.  The security issues can be  
tricky since

this could run without the users knowledge.

--Applescript code:--

do shell script "/usr/sbin/AppleFileServer" password "x" with  
administrator

privileges

Turning off with:
do shell script "/usr/bin/killall AppleFileServer" password "x" with
administrator privileges
-
"x" is your administrator password!

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 6/26/08 10:16 AM, "Richard Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Anyone know how I can use Rev to turn on/off file sharing on a Mac? I
can't quite put my finger on the Applescript commands that would do
this.

Thanks.
Richard Miller



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Re: What Goes in a Theme Pack?

[Richard Gaskin]

Chipp Walters wrote:


On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Richard Gaskin 
wrote:

If they don't include vector sources (preferably in Fireworks format, but I
realize I'm in the minority on that one) they'll be of limited value.


Perhaps...But, ButtonGadget creates all sorts of buttons in all sizes
without Vector Graphics. It uses a technique we call "SmartStretch" which
enables one to resize a bitmap distortion free, thus enabling Rev users to
easily create buttons of various sizes from existing buttons.
www.buttongadget.com


Yes, devolution's Gradient tool uses the same technique.

If Lynn's interested in delivering his graphics pack in Rev's native 
format of course that would be ideal.  He could make use of v2.9's new 
graphics options for a wide range of effects with minimal file size and 
zero distortion.


But if he wants to leverage the investment by delivering generic 
graphics which could be used in any app-building tool, we won't be so 
lucky. :)


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Re: Problem with send command???

[Jim Ault]

Of course, for those who know and use customproperties, a custom property
set is the same thing as an array

--- copy script lines and paste into the stack script -
on dotest
  
  put 42 into tMyArray["Vera"]
  put 67 into tMyArray["Chuck"]
  put "Dave" into tName
  put 123 into tValue
  
  set the custompropertyset of this stack to "tempStorArr"
  set the customproperties of this stack to tMyArray
  send "TestIt tName, tValue" to this stack
  put the customproperties of this stack into tMyArray  --update the array
  
  answer the tName of this stack  --show that it worked
  answer tMyArray[ tName]  --show that it worked

   --optional
  set the custompropertyset of this stack to "tempStorArr"  --just in case
  set the customproperties  of this stack to empty ---purge the properties
end dotest


On TestIt  pName, pInt
  set the pName of this stack to pInt
  --use the array values for any other purpose
  --and can be used in any other handlers called in the message path

  answer the pName of this stack
  --save this stack -- the array is now saved with the stack file
end TestIt

--- end copy script lines

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 6/26/08 1:21 PM, "Mark Wieder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jim-
> 
> Or, more generically,
> 
> (button script)
> on mouseUp
>   local tMyArray
>   local tName, tValue
> 
>   -- insert sample data
>   put 42 into tMyArray["Vera"]
>   put 42 into tMyArray["Chuck"]
>   put "Dave" into tName
>   put 123 into tValue
>   combine tMyArray using cr and tab
>   send "TestIt tMyArray, tName, tValue" to this stack
>   put the result into tMyArray
>   split tMyArray using cr and tab
>   -- verify the test
>   put the keys of tMyArray into field 1
> end mouseUp
> 
> (stack script)
> on TestIt pArray, pName, pInt
>   split pArray using cr and tab
>   put pInt into pArray[pName]
>   combine pArray using cr and tab
>   return pArray
> end TestIt
> 
> ...and thanks for the tip. This is way useful.


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RE: What Goes in a Theme Pack?

[Lynn Fredricks]

> > Perhaps...But, ButtonGadget creates all sorts of buttons in 
> all sizes 
> > without Vector Graphics. It uses a technique we call "SmartStretch" 
> > which enables one to resize a bitmap distortion free, thus enabling 
> > Rev users to easily create buttons of various sizes from 
> existing buttons.
> > www.buttongadget.com
> 
> Yes, devolution's Gradient tool uses the same technique.
> 
> If Lynn's interested in delivering his graphics pack in Rev's 
> native format of course that would be ideal.  He could make 
> use of v2.9's new graphics options for a wide range of 
> effects with minimal file size and zero distortion.
> 
> But if he wants to leverage the investment by delivering 
> generic graphics which could be used in any app-building 
> tool, we won't be so lucky. :)

Ideally, we'd use as much native stuff as possible to keep file sizes down.
I have an artist learning how to use Rev right now. What Id like to be able
to offer though are designs that arent all that easy to accomplish by
automation alone.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Mirye Software Publishing
http://www.mirye.com

Mirye Community NING
http://miryesoftware.ning.com 

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Parallels mystery

[Richard Gaskin]

I have an app that plays movies, and today I'm doing my Windows testing 
via Parallels (when doing a lot of debugging its shared folders are a 
godsend).


This app doesn't use controllers (I know, I know, we'll be changing that 
soon, but there's a lot of legacy stuff in this), using "play videoclip" 
instead.


Here's the mystery:

If I mount the volume to a labeled drive (e.g., "Z:"), then it works 
well like this:


  play videoclip "Z:/Folder/file.mov" at 300,300

But if I use one of Parallels shared folders, the path is different and 
it doesn't play:


  play videoclip "//.PSF/Folder/file.mov" at 300,300

The result says "could not open movie file".

I'm not sure what the trouble is, since everything else in the program 
works, and there's a lot of stuff happening with paths to multiple stack 
files, libraries, etc.


Why does QT choke on .PSF?  Is there a workaround I can do in script, or 
must we avoid drives networked in that fashion?


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Re: Parallels mystery

[Sarah Reichelt]

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Richard Gaskin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have an app that plays movies, and today I'm doing my Windows testing via
> Parallels (when doing a lot of debugging its shared folders are a godsend).
>
> This app doesn't use controllers (I know, I know, we'll be changing that
> soon, but there's a lot of legacy stuff in this), using "play videoclip"
> instead.
>
> Here's the mystery:
>
> If I mount the volume to a labeled drive (e.g., "Z:"), then it works well
> like this:
>
>  play videoclip "Z:/Folder/file.mov" at 300,300
>
> But if I use one of Parallels shared folders, the path is different and it
> doesn't play:
>
>  play videoclip "//.PSF/Folder/file.mov" at 300,300
>
> The result says "could not open movie file".
>
> I'm not sure what the trouble is, since everything else in the program
> works, and there's a lot of stuff happening with paths to multiple stack
> files, libraries, etc.
>
> Why does QT choke on .PSF?  Is there a workaround I can do in script, or
> must we avoid drives networked in that fashion?

Is the problem with Rev or QT? Can you play the movie in QT Player and
can you open a text file form the .PSF folder?

This is a just a wild guess, but what happens if you convert the file
name using shortFilePath() or longFilePath()?
This might just re-arrange it in some way so that Rev/QT can work it out.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: Parallels mystery

[J. Landman Gay]

Richard Gaskin wrote:

Why does QT choke on .PSF?  Is there a workaround I can do in script, or 
must we avoid drives networked in that fashion?




"PSF" is Parallels-speak for "Parallels Shared Folder" and isn't a valid 
volume name in either OS. I'm guessing that Parallels is probably 
managing that name internally behind Windows' (and Rev's) back. There's 
should also be a volume letter name that Windows does recognize (mine is 
usually "Z") and that works.


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Re: Problem with send command???

[Mark Smith]

These are two handlers I use to send data between client and server  
in an app of mine, but might serve well enough for passing data  
around in those situations where you can't use arrays without trouble.


function serializeArray pArray
  repeat for each line L in keys(pArray)
put L & "=" &  urlencode(pArray[L]) & cr after cArray
  end repeat
  delete char -1 of cArray
  return base64encode(compress(cArray))
end serializeArray

function unserializeArray pSerializedArray
  put decompress(base64decode(pSerializedArray)) into tArray
  split tArray by cr and "="
  repeat for each line L in keys(tArray)
put urlDecode(tArray[L]) into tArray[L]
  end repeat
  return tArray
end unserializeArray

It's not very efficient in terms of data size for small arrays, but  
it's made things easy for the way I like to package up data (I use  
arrays a lot) to send to and from the server (running rev cgis).


Best,

Mark




On 26 Jun 2008, at 21:58, Jim Ault wrote:
Of course, for those who know and use customproperties, a custom  
property

set is the same thing as an array

--- copy script lines and paste into the stack script  
-

on dotest

  put 42 into tMyArray["Vera"]
  put 67 into tMyArray["Chuck"]
  put "Dave" into tName
  put 123 into tValue

  set the custompropertyset of this stack to "tempStorArr"
  set the customproperties of this stack to tMyArray
  send "TestIt tName, tValue" to this stack
  put the customproperties of this stack into tMyArray  --update  
the array


  answer the tName of this stack  --show that it worked
  answer tMyArray[ tName]  --show that it worked

   --optional
  set the custompropertyset of this stack to "tempStorArr"  --just  
in case
  set the customproperties  of this stack to empty ---purge the  
properties

end dotest


On TestIt  pName, pInt
  set the pName of this stack to pInt
  --use the array values for any other purpose
  --and can be used in any other handlers called in the message path

  answer the pName of this stack
  --save this stack -- the array is now saved with the stack file
end TestIt

--- end copy script lines

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 6/26/08 1:21 PM, "Mark Wieder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Jim-

Or, more generically,

(button script)
on mouseUp
  local tMyArray
  local tName, tValue

  -- insert sample data
  put 42 into tMyArray["Vera"]
  put 42 into tMyArray["Chuck"]
  put "Dave" into tName
  put 123 into tValue
  combine tMyArray using cr and tab
  send "TestIt tMyArray, tName, tValue" to this stack
  put the result into tMyArray
  split tMyArray using cr and tab
  -- verify the test
  put the keys of tMyArray into field 1
end mouseUp

(stack script)
on TestIt pArray, pName, pInt
  split pArray using cr and tab
  put pInt into pArray[pName]
  combine pArray using cr and tab
  return pArray
end TestIt

...and thanks for the tip. This is way useful.



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Re: Parallels mystery

[Richard Gaskin]

Sarah Reichelt wrote:


On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Richard Gaskin

...

Here's the mystery:

If I mount the volume to a labeled drive (e.g., "Z:"), then it works well
like this:

 play videoclip "Z:/Folder/file.mov" at 300,300

But if I use one of Parallels shared folders, the path is different and it
doesn't play:

 play videoclip "//.PSF/Folder/file.mov" at 300,300

The result says "could not open movie file".

I'm not sure what the trouble is, since everything else in the program
works, and there's a lot of stuff happening with paths to multiple stack
files, libraries, etc.

Why does QT choke on .PSF?  Is there a workaround I can do in script, or
must we avoid drives networked in that fashion?


Is the problem with Rev or QT? Can you play the movie in QT Player and
can you open a text file form the .PSF folder?


I think this issue is specific to QT; Rev seems to be handling 
everything well, reading and writing text files and stacks with no 
problem.  It's only when we try to play videoclips that QT chokes.



This is a just a wild guess, but what happens if you convert the file
name using shortFilePath() or longFilePath()?
This might just re-arrange it in some way so that Rev/QT can work it out.


The file names are pretty short.  shortFilePath returns the same path I 
have, and longFilePath return empty.


This seems to be a problem with QT not playing well with Parallels 
shared folders.


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Re: General call for newsletter articles

[Kay C Lan]

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Heather Nagey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Would you like to share your wisdom with a wider audience?


I notice the recent post about 'Sorting by ValueList and synchronized
sorting' was very popular and seemed to contain several gems of information
that shouldn't be lost in the depths of the List archive.

For the sake of future Revers I think the finalised optimised script and
suggestions of how to take advantage of it would be ideal for the
newsletter. I just can't decide whether I should militarily volunteer Hugh,
Richard or Ken for the job ;-)

Hugh introduced the topic, so maybe he should conclude it.
Richard struggled to get his head around how it actually did it's thing, so
maybe he's in the best position to explain to others exactly the whys and
wherefores.
Ken seemed to be on top of it and had extra tips for reference.

Maybe you could give one of them a gently nudge ;-)
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Re: Parallels mystery

[Richard Gaskin]

J. Landman Gay wrote:
"PSF" is Parallels-speak for "Parallels Shared Folder" and isn't a valid 
volume name in either OS.


It's valid for Rev:  You can access a shared folder in Parallels and 
read and write files, load libraries, pretty much anything you can do 
with that folder as a mapped drive, and Rev handles it all like a champ.


It's only QT that's broken.  But hey, Apple makes a competing product to 
Parallels, so maybe it's no an accident. ;)


We don't have any customers using our product under Parallels, and for 
my own testing it's just as easy to open the mapped volume as it is to 
open the shared folder (which I suppose raises the question about why 
Parallels bothers with their odd scheme), so at this point it's just a 
curiosity.


If nothing else it's nice to see that Rev can handle a greater variety 
of file paths than even Apple can.


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Re: Problem with send command???

[Trevor DeVore]

On Jun 26, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

These are two handlers I use to send data between client and server  
in an app of mine, but might serve well enough for passing data  
around in those situations where you can't use arrays without trouble.


...


I use similar serialize/unserialize handlers and the other day I was  
left scratching my head when some arrays ended up with weird data and  
incorrect keys. I use ":" rather than "=" when serializing and I had  
an array that used urls for keys so I ended up with two instances of  
":" on each line which messed everything up. So now I urlencode the  
key as well.


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Re: Problem with send command???

[Shao Sean]

I have run into issues where my data being "sent" has had commas and  
it ends up thinking that it is a new parameter..

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Re: Problem with send command???

[Jim Ault]

On 6/26/08 8:04 PM, "Shao Sean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have run into issues where my data being "sent" has had commas and
> it ends up thinking that it is a new parameter..

The 'send' command has some difficulties since it first tries to interpret
the string expression of the task you wish to execute.  If the string
contains variable names, then Rev does the best it can to 'do what you mean'

The same variability arises when using the 'do' command.

Caution: this is not really a new user topic, but read on.

Using encoding will help this, but you need to consider what other
characters besides the comma could also be considered 'control or delimiter'
characters.

Passing by reference rather than variable name also works in many cases.
This way you are not passing the data, but a pointer to the memory location
of the data.  { see below for a post from 2005 and a question asked by Mark
Wieder and answered by Trevor}

Of course using custom properties would mean you are not passing any data,
but storing it, then accessing it from another handler.  I showed an example
of this in a previous email.

Another level of complexity occurs if you are trying to use the send command
to store data in a database (such as MySQL).  Not all characters can be
stored directly since the data tables have to have some sort of delimiter,
slashes in particular.

Jim Ault
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---
what follows below is an old email that still applies, and then a section of
working code.

On Sep 20, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> All-
>
> I've run up against a couple of problems here:
>
> 1. I'm trying to pass parameters using the "send" command. The problem
> is that "send" insists on interpreting these for me rather than
> sending them verbatim. In other words, if I try
>
> send "hi" && the long id of field "xyz" to field "abc" of card "argh"

Try stuffing the values you want to send into variables and then do
this:

get the long id of field "xyz"
send "hi it" to field "abc" of card "argh"

> 2. I can pass a parameter by reference once. That is,
>
> local someArray
>
> on stuff @pArray, pIndex, pValue
>   put pValue into pArray[pIndex]
> end stuff
>
> stuff someArray, tUserID, tPassword
>
> works fine. But I need to pass a reference to someArray to another
> handler down the line. Is there a syntax that will allow me to do
> this? I need a second level of indirection and I can't figure out how
> to do it. I don't think passing the entire array back and forth is
> going to be an option. I miss pointers...
>
> on stuff @pArray, pIndex, pValue
>   stuff2 pArray, pIndex, pValue
> end stuff
>
> on stuff2 @pArray, pIndex, pValue
>   put pValue into pArray[pIndex]
> end stuff2
>
> stuff2 someArray, tUserID, tPassword
«  [hide part of quote]

What you have above will work.  The array is passed by reference all
the way down the line. In both cases you are passing the array by
reference.  I do this in libraries all of the time.


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-

---copy and paste into  the stack script  
 local someArray

on testStuffing
  put 23 into someArray["mark"]
  put 45 into someArray["john"]
  put 56434 into tUserID
  put "marble" into tPassword
  stuff someArray, tUserID, tPassword
   breakpoint
  
  put 4433 into tUserID
  put "locateye" into tPassword
  stuff1 someArray, tUserID, tPassword
  breakpoint
end testStuffing

on stuff @pArray, pIndex, pValue
  put pValue into pArray[pIndex]
end stuff

 on stuff1 @pArray, pIndex, pValue
   stuff2 pArray, pIndex, pValue
 end stuff1

on stuff2 @pArray, pIndex, pValue
   put pValue into pArray[pIndex]
 end stuff2
--- end copy 


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Re: Parallels mystery

[Jim Sims]

On Jun 27, 2008, at 1:21 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

This app doesn't use controllers (I know, I know, we'll be changing  
that soon, but there's a lot of legacy stuff in this), using "play  
videoclip" instead.


Very soon I hope. Please. I pray (kinda).

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Re: Problem with send command???

[J. Landman Gay]

Shao Sean wrote:
I have run into issues where my data being "sent" has had commas and it 
ends up thinking that it is a new parameter..


If you specifically add quotation marks around the parameters, it 
arrives as one piece. You may have to use the "value" function to get 
the quotes off in the receiving handler. Something like this:


on test
  put "one,two,three" into tParams
  send "paramNumber" &"e& tParams & quote to me in 1
end test

on paramNumber pParams
  put the paramcount -- gives one
  put the value of pParams into tVar -- 1,2,3
end paramNumber


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Re: Parallels mystery

[Richard Gaskin]

Jim Sims wrote:

On Jun 27, 2008, at 1:21 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: 
This app doesn't use controllers (I know, I know, we'll be changing  
that soon, but there's a lot of legacy stuff in this), using "play  
videoclip" instead.


Very soon I hope. Please. I pray (kinda).


While controllers are certainly the better way to go, what problem is 
there with Rev continuing to provide legacy support for the ol' "play 
videoclip" syntax?


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Re: Parallels mystery

[Jim Sims]

On Jun 27, 2008, at 6:55 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

While controllers are certainly the better way to go, what problem  
is there with Rev continuing to provide legacy support for the ol'  
"play videoclip" syntax?


None as far as I know. I'd rather have controllers however.

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Re: Parallels mystery

[Peter Alcibiades]

Not that I know anything much about this!  But logically, isn't the first
thing to do, eliminate the possibility that it is Parallels and not Windows,
by trying it on a non-virtual Windows machine?

Peter
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Re: Parallels mystery

[Richard Gaskin]

Peter Alcibiades wrote:

Not that I know anything much about this!  But logically, isn't the first
thing to do, eliminate the possibility that it is Parallels and not Windows,
by trying it on a non-virtual Windows machine?


If you know of a way to use a Parallels Shared Folder without running 
Parallels I'd be happy to try it. :)


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