[ANN] I have a confession...
I have a confession to make. My question I'm curious about how many apps the people on this list usually have loaded during their work day? was really market research. I wanted to find out how many apps and files people had opened as they work. About three weeks ago a busy photographer friend (76 books launched and 5 in the pipeline) complained to me that OS X didn't have any way to reload apps files that are open when he quits. He said he wanted something like 'Time Machine' but in an application that would load that one set of files and applications. I suggested he use Sleep but as he travels a lot he wants to shut the Mac off completely. So, three weeks later of spare time fiddling I have a beta at: http://www.ezpzapps.com/AppBoot/ Rev enables some fast development but this List is like having your own Rev Genius Bar. Thanks! sims s...@ezpzapps.com Skype: sims.jim iChat: techietours __ Opportunity by Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] I have a confession...
Miles away... Although I would assume that even if you 'came clean' in the first instance you'd also get replies, probably even more so. Cheers, Luis. On 18 Mar 2009, at 08:51, Jim Sims wrote: I have a confession to make. My question I'm curious about how many apps the people on this list usually have loaded during their work day? was really market research. I wanted to find out how many apps and files people had opened as they work. About three weeks ago a busy photographer friend (76 books launched and 5 in the pipeline) complained to me that OS X didn't have any way to reload apps files that are open when he quits. He said he wanted something like 'Time Machine' but in an application that would load that one set of files and applications. I suggested he use Sleep but as he travels a lot he wants to shut the Mac off completely. So, three weeks later of spare time fiddling I have a beta at: http://www.ezpzapps.com/AppBoot/ Rev enables some fast development but this List is like having your own Rev Genius Bar. Thanks! sims s...@ezpzapps.com Skype: sims.jim iChat: techietours __ Opportunity by Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Doorbell jangles.
Hey, crappy music lovers, cop a load of this: http://www.computermusic.co.uk/page/computermusic?entry=free_beginner_pdfs almost enough to let you compete with Hans Wurman and Wendy Carlos (err, if you have enough musical knowledge and experience to start with). sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] I have a confession...
Hi Jim - nice idea! I had a look but couldn't get any open files to show up in the file list (is this supposed to be an editable field?). How does this bit work? Terry... On 18/03/09 7:51 PM, Jim Sims s...@ezpzapps.com wrote: I have a confession to make. My question I'm curious about how many apps the people on this list usually have loaded during their work day? was really market research. I wanted to find out how many apps and files people had opened as they work. About three weeks ago a busy photographer friend (76 books launched and 5 in the pipeline) complained to me that OS X didn't have any way to reload apps files that are open when he quits. He said he wanted something like 'Time Machine' but in an application that would load that one set of files and applications. I suggested he use Sleep but as he travels a lot he wants to shut the Mac off completely. So, three weeks later of spare time fiddling I have a beta at: http://www.ezpzapps.com/AppBoot/ Rev enables some fast development but this List is like having your own Rev Genius Bar. Thanks! sims s...@ezpzapps.com Skype: sims.jim iChat: techietours __ Opportunity by Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OFF TOPIC] How many...
Sarah Reichelt wrote: P.S. Thanks for starting this thread Richmond - it's interesting to see what people use. Um, Thank you very much; BUT - I didn't start this thread. Credit where credit's due: this thread was started by Jim Sims! sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
I certainly wasn't offended. As for the age of the young children, well, mine are nearly 8. They desperately want a cell phone but aren't getting one anytime soon. ;-) Yes, they *would* notice latency. As you say, Kay, in the old days when we all weren't quite so long in tooth, we could all roll our own. In HC, I could roll my own tunes without having to know the midi spec and with only knowing how to read sheetmusic. And I could have sound channels. And without having to use Player Objects, layered or not. Without latency. Without QuickTime. On the sorts of older machines I trust my wee ones with (not mine certainly!). And now, none of that's possible and FOR NO GOOD REASON. No good reason. Again, the problem with MIDI is this: (a) it requires learning the MIDI spec; (b) it requires QT dependency. It isn't clean and elegant and it isn't internal. And it still doesn't really deal with the sound channel issue. But I'll gratefully accept and support and help pay for an external that does help in these areas. Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: While referring to HC's notation as door bell jingles may sound derisive, these days when people are accustomed to richer sound design, it's not an entirely unfair characterization to the modern ear. Nice pun;-) And certainly I didn't mean to offend anyone, as I think I said, I'm wondering, as in I'm trying to figure this out, I've used sound files in Rev and have been more than happy with the results; I just can't seem to grasp what it is I'm missing out on. Three phones ago I could create my own ringtone by typing in HC like notation and saving the file. The web was full of text snippets of the appropriate code for the appropriate make of phone so you could quickly type in and have you own personal version of rape of the moonlight sonata ;-) Today I can't even find those text snippets anymore because everything has moved onto mp3 files. Three phones ago I could roll my own*, today it's not so simple - you still can, but you need to use some third party software (GarageBand) to create your mp3 - and it certainly wont sound as good as an mp3 of a real artist. Most people will see this as progress, some may consider they've lost something. Judy's reference to children not likely noticing the sound quality I suspect must be referring to very young children because all the fifth graders at my wife's school all have the latest pop songs blasting out their iPhones when somebody rings, they seem to be very image concscious. If the children are that young not to notice the quality, then isn't it possible that they wouldn't notice the latency mentioned with the MIDI solution. Still wondering why external, as put forward by Richard way back at the beginning, isn't the correct answer? *Roll my own in this case refers to creating an original ringtone, not the art/crime of splicing up a file in your iTunes library or copy/sharing such a file. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] I have a confession...
SIMS, You mean, sorta, kinda, like the Safari version of History - Reopen All Windows From Last Session? I SO love that feature! My MP keeps losing its airport card when I have, like, nearly a dozen open search windows going... Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Jim Sims s...@ezpzapps.com wrote: I have a confession to make. My question I'm curious about how many apps the people on this list usually have loaded during their work day? was really market research. I wanted to find out how many apps and files people had opened as they work. About three weeks ago a busy photographer friend (76 books launched and 5 in the pipeline) complained to me that OS X didn't have any way to reload apps files that are open when he quits. He said he wanted something like 'Time Machine' but in an application that would load that one set of files and applications. I suggested he use Sleep but as he travels a lot he wants to shut the Mac off completely. So, three weeks later of spare time fiddling I have a beta at: http://www.ezpzapps.com/AppBoot/ Rev enables some fast development but this List is like having your own Rev Genius Bar. Thanks! sims s...@ezpzapps.com Skype: sims.jim iChat: techietours __ Opportunity by Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Judy, In a previous message (no response at this time) I write : about rewriting PlayCommandAgent from RealBasic to Transcript (an idea... ?), and it is not necessary MIDI (but, I think, the solution need CoreAudio (QuickTime ?) (for Mac) and equivalent for Windows and Linux : ... For myself, I have 2 needs (requirements ?) : 1. Create MIDI file to export sequencies to Logic by example. 2. Generate MIDI command (notes by example) directly to QT synthesizer. The first requirement is satisfy with a little tool that I have to make in large part with help of Kurt Kaufman :-), for the second, I do, for the moment, with SBplay, SBstartNote and SBstopNote of Jon Bettencourt use by Shakobox. There is few month, Jacqueline say (write) to me that PlayCommand Agent [PCA] was write with RealBasic. I don't use RealBasic... But, maybe one of us use RealBasic and put au disposition le RealBasic code's of PCA so it can be “translated“ and rewritten in Transcript... and improved and expanded to meet needs like mine... Pending Revolution implements natively equivalent commands... It exists in SuperCard, so... ... Bons souvenirs de Paris René Le 18 mars 09 à 11:53, Judy Perry a écrit : I certainly wasn't offended. As for the age of the young children, well, mine are nearly 8. They desperately want a cell phone but aren't getting one anytime soon. ;-) Yes, they *would* notice latency. As you say, Kay, in the old days when we all weren't quite so long in tooth, we could all roll our own. In HC, I could roll my own tunes without having to know the midi spec and with only knowing how to read sheetmusic. And I could have sound channels. And without having to use Player Objects, layered or not. Without latency. Without QuickTime. On the sorts of older machines I trust my wee ones with (not mine certainly!). And now, none of that's possible and FOR NO GOOD REASON. No good reason. Again, the problem with MIDI is this: (a) it requires learning the MIDI spec; (b) it requires QT dependency. It isn't clean and elegant and it isn't internal. And it still doesn't really deal with the sound channel issue. But I'll gratefully accept and support and help pay for an external that does help in these areas. Judy http://revined.blogspot.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Judy's reference to children not likely noticing the sound quality I suspect must be referring to very young children because all the fifth graders at my wife's school all have the latest pop songs blasting out their iPhones when somebody rings, they seem to be very image concscious. Here in Bulgaria, while a lot of Bulgarians are 'image conscious', and a lot are plain and simple posers, a very large proportion of kids do not have arty-tarty-farty mobile phones for the simple reason that parents just don't have the money for much more than the bread and cheese. Working on a daily basis with the 6 to 13 year-old crowd I cannot help but be aware that some of the illusions that adults have about kids are seriously wrong! 1. Their inner / psychological / spiritual lives are at least as rich and as complex as those of adults. 2. Their ears work better than those of us old f**ts. My main problem is to stop kids clicking away as if they have some sort of motor disorder while either a program or a media file loads; these children WANT IT NOW, or, given the chance, even sooner. So LATENCY of all forms is my bugbear. A piece of music that takes 10 seconds to load will not get heard. A series of connected sounds that are d-i-s-c-o-n-n-e-c-t-e-d because it takes yonks for them to pop in and out of the memory swap space will only attract derision, and, from a pedagogical point of view, the kids' concentration will be broken. After all, a lot of teaching is not about fancy equipment and fancy textbooks, it is about the ability to weave a spell about the subject matter that holds the child so s/he doesn't take a quick mental space-shuttle to the moon. Not so long ago I went over to one of the grammar schools in Plovdiv, Bulgaria (where I stay) to see their fancy, new data-projector with interactive white-board: marvellous equipment with a classroom full of slack-jawed kids looking out the windows, writing each other notes, fiddling with their mobile phones, and so on. Perhaps a better teacher and a chalkboard would be a better bet! sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Hiya, If there isn't going to be an 'internal' version forthcoming from RunRev anytime soon, why not create a user group bounty system for an external? - Anyone up to the task would propose their 'bounty' OR - A community set bounty which developers would then vie for These could be community, developer or RunRev managed. Cheers, Luis. On 18 Mar 2009, at 10:53, Judy Perry wrote: I certainly wasn't offended. As for the age of the young children, well, mine are nearly 8. They desperately want a cell phone but aren't getting one anytime soon. ;-) Yes, they *would* notice latency. As you say, Kay, in the old days when we all weren't quite so long in tooth, we could all roll our own. In HC, I could roll my own tunes without having to know the midi spec and with only knowing how to read sheetmusic. And I could have sound channels. And without having to use Player Objects, layered or not. Without latency. Without QuickTime. On the sorts of older machines I trust my wee ones with (not mine certainly!). And now, none of that's possible and FOR NO GOOD REASON. No good reason. Again, the problem with MIDI is this: (a) it requires learning the MIDI spec; (b) it requires QT dependency. It isn't clean and elegant and it isn't internal. And it still doesn't really deal with the sound channel issue. But I'll gratefully accept and support and help pay for an external that does help in these areas. Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: While referring to HC's notation as door bell jingles may sound derisive, these days when people are accustomed to richer sound design, it's not an entirely unfair characterization to the modern ear. Nice pun;-) And certainly I didn't mean to offend anyone, as I think I said, I'm wondering, as in I'm trying to figure this out, I've used sound files in Rev and have been more than happy with the results; I just can't seem to grasp what it is I'm missing out on. Three phones ago I could create my own ringtone by typing in HC like notation and saving the file. The web was full of text snippets of the appropriate code for the appropriate make of phone so you could quickly type in and have you own personal version of rape of the moonlight sonata ;-) Today I can't even find those text snippets anymore because everything has moved onto mp3 files. Three phones ago I could roll my own*, today it's not so simple - you still can, but you need to use some third party software (GarageBand) to create your mp3 - and it certainly wont sound as good as an mp3 of a real artist. Most people will see this as progress, some may consider they've lost something. Judy's reference to children not likely noticing the sound quality I suspect must be referring to very young children because all the fifth graders at my wife's school all have the latest pop songs blasting out their iPhones when somebody rings, they seem to be very image concscious. If the children are that young not to notice the quality, then isn't it possible that they wouldn't notice the latency mentioned with the MIDI solution. Still wondering why external, as put forward by Richard way back at the beginning, isn't the correct answer? *Roll my own in this case refers to creating an original ringtone, not the art/crime of splicing up a file in your iTunes library or copy/ sharing such a file. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Hiya, On which side?... :) Cheers, Luis. On 18 Mar 2009, at 12:00, René Micout wrote: Hello Luis, I am interessed by this project René from Paris Le 18 mars 09 à 12:36, Luis a écrit : Hiya, If there isn't going to be an 'internal' version forthcoming from RunRev anytime soon, why not create a user group bounty system for an external? - Anyone up to the task would propose their 'bounty' OR - A community set bounty which developers would then vie for These could be community, developer or RunRev managed. Cheers, Luis. On 18 Mar 2009, at 10:53, Judy Perry wrote: I certainly wasn't offended. As for the age of the young children, well, mine are nearly 8. They desperately want a cell phone but aren't getting one anytime soon. ;-) Yes, they *would* notice latency. As you say, Kay, in the old days when we all weren't quite so long in tooth, we could all roll our own. In HC, I could roll my own tunes without having to know the midi spec and with only knowing how to read sheetmusic. And I could have sound channels. And without having to use Player Objects, layered or not. Without latency. Without QuickTime. On the sorts of older machines I trust my wee ones with (not mine certainly!). And now, none of that's possible and FOR NO GOOD REASON. No good reason. Again, the problem with MIDI is this: (a) it requires learning the MIDI spec; (b) it requires QT dependency. It isn't clean and elegant and it isn't internal. And it still doesn't really deal with the sound channel issue. But I'll gratefully accept and support and help pay for an external that does help in these areas. Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: While referring to HC's notation as door bell jingles may sound derisive, these days when people are accustomed to richer sound design, it's not an entirely unfair characterization to the modern ear. Nice pun;-) And certainly I didn't mean to offend anyone, as I think I said, I'm wondering, as in I'm trying to figure this out, I've used sound files in Rev and have been more than happy with the results; I just can't seem to grasp what it is I'm missing out on. Three phones ago I could create my own ringtone by typing in HC like notation and saving the file. The web was full of text snippets of the appropriate code for the appropriate make of phone so you could quickly type in and have you own personal version of rape of the moonlight sonata ;-) Today I can't even find those text snippets anymore because everything has moved onto mp3 files. Three phones ago I could roll my own*, today it's not so simple - you still can, but you need to use some third party software (GarageBand) to create your mp3 - and it certainly wont sound as good as an mp3 of a real artist. Most people will see this as progress, some may consider they've lost something. Judy's reference to children not likely noticing the sound quality I suspect must be referring to very young children because all the fifth graders at my wife's school all have the latest pop songs blasting out their iPhones when somebody rings, they seem to be very image concscious. If the children are that young not to notice the quality, then isn't it possible that they wouldn't notice the latency mentioned with the MIDI solution. Still wondering why external, as put forward by Richard way back at the beginning, isn't the correct answer? *Roll my own in this case refers to creating an original ringtone, not the art/crime of splicing up a file in your iTunes library or copy/ sharing such a file. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Hello Luis, I am interessed by this project René from Paris Le 18 mars 09 à 12:36, Luis a écrit : Hiya, If there isn't going to be an 'internal' version forthcoming from RunRev anytime soon, why not create a user group bounty system for an external? - Anyone up to the task would propose their 'bounty' OR - A community set bounty which developers would then vie for These could be community, developer or RunRev managed. Cheers, Luis. On 18 Mar 2009, at 10:53, Judy Perry wrote: I certainly wasn't offended. As for the age of the young children, well, mine are nearly 8. They desperately want a cell phone but aren't getting one anytime soon. ;-) Yes, they *would* notice latency. As you say, Kay, in the old days when we all weren't quite so long in tooth, we could all roll our own. In HC, I could roll my own tunes without having to know the midi spec and with only knowing how to read sheetmusic. And I could have sound channels. And without having to use Player Objects, layered or not. Without latency. Without QuickTime. On the sorts of older machines I trust my wee ones with (not mine certainly!). And now, none of that's possible and FOR NO GOOD REASON. No good reason. Again, the problem with MIDI is this: (a) it requires learning the MIDI spec; (b) it requires QT dependency. It isn't clean and elegant and it isn't internal. And it still doesn't really deal with the sound channel issue. But I'll gratefully accept and support and help pay for an external that does help in these areas. Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: While referring to HC's notation as door bell jingles may sound derisive, these days when people are accustomed to richer sound design, it's not an entirely unfair characterization to the modern ear. Nice pun;-) And certainly I didn't mean to offend anyone, as I think I said, I'm wondering, as in I'm trying to figure this out, I've used sound files in Rev and have been more than happy with the results; I just can't seem to grasp what it is I'm missing out on. Three phones ago I could create my own ringtone by typing in HC like notation and saving the file. The web was full of text snippets of the appropriate code for the appropriate make of phone so you could quickly type in and have you own personal version of rape of the moonlight sonata ;-) Today I can't even find those text snippets anymore because everything has moved onto mp3 files. Three phones ago I could roll my own*, today it's not so simple - you still can, but you need to use some third party software (GarageBand) to create your mp3 - and it certainly wont sound as good as an mp3 of a real artist. Most people will see this as progress, some may consider they've lost something. Judy's reference to children not likely noticing the sound quality I suspect must be referring to very young children because all the fifth graders at my wife's school all have the latest pop songs blasting out their iPhones when somebody rings, they seem to be very image concscious. If the children are that young not to notice the quality, then isn't it possible that they wouldn't notice the latency mentioned with the MIDI solution. Still wondering why external, as put forward by Richard way back at the beginning, isn't the correct answer? *Roll my own in this case refers to creating an original ringtone, not the art/crime of splicing up a file in your iTunes library or copy/ sharing such a file. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Luis, I am an amateur musician, a medium rev developper. I make now several virtual musical instruments (exagofon, yasarofon, rizomofon) on Macintosh... I offer all the help I can provide in relation to the requirements and my skills. But I have a disadvantage : english is not my maternal language... René from Paris Le 18 mars 09 à 13:11, Luis a écrit : Hiya, On which side?... :) Cheers, Luis. On 18 Mar 2009, at 12:00, René Micout wrote: Hello Luis, I am interessed by this project René from Paris Le 18 mars 09 à 12:36, Luis a écrit : Hiya, If there isn't going to be an 'internal' version forthcoming from RunRev anytime soon, why not create a user group bounty system for an external? - Anyone up to the task would propose their 'bounty' OR - A community set bounty which developers would then vie for These could be community, developer or RunRev managed. Cheers, Luis. On 18 Mar 2009, at 10:53, Judy Perry wrote: I certainly wasn't offended. As for the age of the young children, well, mine are nearly 8. They desperately want a cell phone but aren't getting one anytime soon. ;-) Yes, they *would* notice latency. As you say, Kay, in the old days when we all weren't quite so long in tooth, we could all roll our own. In HC, I could roll my own tunes without having to know the midi spec and with only knowing how to read sheetmusic. And I could have sound channels. And without having to use Player Objects, layered or not. Without latency. Without QuickTime. On the sorts of older machines I trust my wee ones with (not mine certainly!). And now, none of that's possible and FOR NO GOOD REASON. No good reason. Again, the problem with MIDI is this: (a) it requires learning the MIDI spec; (b) it requires QT dependency. It isn't clean and elegant and it isn't internal. And it still doesn't really deal with the sound channel issue. But I'll gratefully accept and support and help pay for an external that does help in these areas. Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: While referring to HC's notation as door bell jingles may sound derisive, these days when people are accustomed to richer sound design, it's not an entirely unfair characterization to the modern ear. Nice pun;-) And certainly I didn't mean to offend anyone, as I think I said, I'm wondering, as in I'm trying to figure this out, I've used sound files in Rev and have been more than happy with the results; I just can't seem to grasp what it is I'm missing out on. Three phones ago I could create my own ringtone by typing in HC like notation and saving the file. The web was full of text snippets of the appropriate code for the appropriate make of phone so you could quickly type in and have you own personal version of rape of the moonlight sonata ;-) Today I can't even find those text snippets anymore because everything has moved onto mp3 files. Three phones ago I could roll my own*, today it's not so simple - you still can, but you need to use some third party software (GarageBand) to create your mp3 - and it certainly wont sound as good as an mp3 of a real artist. Most people will see this as progress, some may consider they've lost something. Judy's reference to children not likely noticing the sound quality I suspect must be referring to very young children because all the fifth graders at my wife's school all have the latest pop songs blasting out their iPhones when somebody rings, they seem to be very image concscious. If the children are that young not to notice the quality, then isn't it possible that they wouldn't notice the latency mentioned with the MIDI solution. Still wondering why external, as put forward by Richard way back at the beginning, isn't the correct answer? *Roll my own in this case refers to creating an original ringtone, not the art/crime of splicing up a file in your iTunes library or copy/ sharing such a file. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
On 17 th ,march Kurt wrote : But we still need to create an actual file to be referenced by the QT player, right? We cannot, for instance: set the filename of player MyPlayer to the myMidiData of player MyPlayer [where myMididata is a custom property of the player MyPlayer in which the data of a complete MIDI file was previously stored] Why is that? meaning, why can't the Player get its data from a variable or a custom property? A file has to be read into memory as well, or am I missing something? Cheers, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
on march 18th Louis wrote : if there isn't going to be an 'internal' version forthcoming from RunRev anytime soon, why not create a user group bounty system for an external? - Anyone up to the task would propose their 'bounty' OR - A community set bounty which developers would then vie for These could be community, developer or RunRev managed. I think it is a very good idea, Louis. I would contribute as much as i can (moneywise and midi specs wise) for an external for realtime Midi. I do not know much about externals and cannot program in C or C++ , but know a bit about the Midi data structure. I have a handler for calculating the' variable length' for the delta times (duration to the next midi event) for instance. Cheers, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Please suggest an easy way to deactivate a fields scripts
William: Could you put a mouseEnter handler as the very first handler of the script, and then, say, if the optionKey is down, comment out all the other lines? You would have to save the script in the process. So if this new handler had ten lines, you would comment lines 11 to the number of lines of the script. If the mouse was not down (the ordinary case), you would delete all leading dashes in each line and save. If you already have lines with comments, this won't work, since you are always deleting leading dashes in the ordinary case. You might try to live without your commented lines. Have to be careful with this, though; it is heart surgery. Craig Newman ** Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 7:14 PM, gerada...@yahoo.com wrote: My main problem is to stop kids clicking away as if they have some sort of motor disorder while either a program or a media file loads; these children WANT IT NOW, or, given the chance, even sooner. So LATENCY of all forms is my bugbear. A piece of music that takes 10 seconds to load will not get heard. I believe Colin Holgate's instigated MIDI experiment on Jacques slower machine using a field (the slow method) as storage revealed a latency of 8.3 MICROseconds. I understood the result indicated that if that was too slow you could almost halve the latency by using a customProp. I can't imagine a 8MHz Mac Classic running HC was too much faster than that. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Please suggest an easy way to deactivate a fields scripts
Trevor That's another reason to look forward to RunRev's newest release. That sounds interesting. Craig Do you really do that in any of your scripts? --- I'm going to experiment with something that toggles the scripts off when you press the option key on a mouse enter as I think that will be the easiest for the user as the whole idea is to make a quick entry that ignores the slow search through the more common entries that is also there in the interests of speed. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
On Mar 18, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: I believe Colin Holgate's instigated MIDI experiment on Jacques slower machine using a field (the slow method) as storage revealed a latency of 8.3 MICROseconds. That was just the reading the data from the field. The bigger slowdown, which I haven't tested (yet) is the writing of the file, and connecting it to the player. It's very fast, but will probably be a significant fraction of a second. Apparently a half second delay is too long for 8 year olds, so hopefully it would be faster than that. Another issue is the one about understanding MIDI, and its limitations, and requirements. I could probably do an interpreter that took HC play commands and created the MIDI needed to play the sound you asked for, but it would still require that QuickTime be installed. Also, I could only really specify General MIDI, and I don't thing that has the boing sound! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] I have a confession...
If using ... Firefox, get the add in Session Manager - indispensable BBEdit, setup project windows, and it remembers all the open docs/ windows, and their positions across 3 monitors. Photoshop, I use an Applescript to record open images, then reopen the list with a double click on an app. Excel, I just use the Recent menu but no other levels of automatic restore that I can think of. My first thought would be a set of AppleScripts using Automator (built in to OSX), then have a MyScripts menu to trigger 'save configuration' or just trap events and ask for user input where necessary. Adding the use of System Events probably means you could control most any app that runs on the Mac. Further, you could store configuration files that would mean 'close all apps', 'launch config ImageWork', 'close all apps', 'relaunch config EmailOnly', 'relaunch config WebResearchExcel'. Thus you would have a routine that would allow the user to 'update' any of the config files. This would also allow 'project' configuration files to be managed. My own needs tend to evolve and be rather eclectic, so this style does not really work for me, but there are many times I have been tempted to write some of this. Using a Rev interface, you could call the various AppleScripts (VB in Windows) to save.restore.delete.reset configuration files. Windows product for $80 http://download.cnet.com/Action-Process-Automator/3000-2248_4-10030475.html OSX http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automator_(software) http://automator.us/leopard/index.html Jim Ault Las Vegas On Mar 18, 2009, at 1:51 AM, Jim Sims wrote: I have a confession to make. My question I'm curious about how many apps the people on this list usually have loaded during their work day? was really market research. I wanted to find out how many apps and files people had opened as they work. About three weeks ago a busy photographer friend (76 books launched and 5 in the pipeline) complained to me that OS X didn't have any way to reload apps files that are open when he quits. He said he wanted something like 'Time Machine' but in an application that would load that one set of files and applications. I suggested he use Sleep but as he travels a lot he wants to shut the Mac off completely. So, three weeks later of spare time fiddling I have a beta at: http://www.ezpzapps.com/AppBoot/ Rev enables some fast development but this List is like having your own Rev Genius Bar. Thanks! sims s...@ezpzapps.com Skype: sims.jim iChat: techietours __ Opportunity by Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] I have a confession...
On Mar 18, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Jim Ault wrote: but no other levels of automatic restore that I can think of. My first thought would be a set of AppleScripts using Automator (built in to OSX), then have a MyScripts menu to trigger 'save configuration' or just trap events and ask for user input where necessary. I'm skeptical that anyone would need to shut down the computer and reopen it with all the same apps and documents open. Using Sleep does that well enough for commuting (even for transatlantic flights), so most times you would like to carry on exactly where you left off you can do that. More often that not though I will soon open Safari, Mail, and iChat, so I do use an Automator app to do that for me. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Hello, From my past message : ... Pmd and MIDI Builder have a common disadvantage : we cannot “Play live“ because of principle : create a MIDI file witch is play by QT player, resulting in a latency of at least 1/5 seconds at the start of the file... Is 1/5 seconds (200 milliseconds) is too long ? René from Paris Le 18 mars 09 à 15:22, Colin Holgate a écrit : On Mar 18, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: I believe Colin Holgate's instigated MIDI experiment on Jacques slower machine using a field (the slow method) as storage revealed a latency of 8.3 MICROseconds. That was just the reading the data from the field. The bigger slowdown, which I haven't tested (yet) is the writing of the file, and connecting it to the player. It's very fast, but will probably be a significant fraction of a second. Apparently a half second delay is too long for 8 year olds, so hopefully it would be faster than that. Another issue is the one about understanding MIDI, and its limitations, and requirements. I could probably do an interpreter that took HC play commands and created the MIDI needed to play the sound you asked for, but it would still require that QuickTime be installed. Also, I could only really specify General MIDI, and I don't thing that has the boing sound! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
On Mar 18, 2009, at 10:52 AM, René Micout wrote: Is 1/5 seconds (200 milliseconds) is too long ? It might be, depends on the application. For setting some music going, that would be quite responsive. For someone trying to play a tune, where you might be playing five notes per second, you would be hearing the sound of the note before the one you are currently playing, which might be distracting. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Please suggest an easy way to deactivate a fields scripts
In a message dated 3/18/09 10:20:04 AM, shoreag...@gmail.com writes: Craig Do you really do that in any of your scripts? No. And you cannot. An error message states you cannot set script while it is executing. I tried: on mouseEnter get the script of me put line 1 to 14 of it return into keepThis put line 15 to the number of lines of it of it into commentThis if the optionKey is down then repeat with y = 1 to the number of lines of commentThis put -- before line y of commentThis end repeat else replace -- with empty in commentThis end if set the script of me to keepThis commentThis save stack yourStack end mouseEnter ** Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Yes, I agree, to play live is too long... Le 18 mars 09 à 15:57, Colin Holgate a écrit : On Mar 18, 2009, at 10:52 AM, René Micout wrote: Is 1/5 seconds (200 milliseconds) is too long ? It might be, depends on the application. For setting some music going, that would be quite responsive. For someone trying to play a tune, where you might be playing five notes per second, you would be hearing the sound of the note before the one you are currently playing, which might be distracting. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] I have a confession...
I agree Colin, Some years ago I was working on a document in Nashville, Tennessee. I closed the lid on the PowerBook, drove 2,000 miles west (visiting customers on the way), did not open the PowerBook for almost a week. When I opened the lid in Los Angeles, the cursor was flashing where I'd left it in Nashville. With a modestly charged battery, sleep should be all one needs. Paul Looney On Mar 18, 2009, at 7:41 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: On Mar 18, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Jim Ault wrote: but no other levels of automatic restore that I can think of. My first thought would be a set of AppleScripts using Automator (built in to OSX), then have a MyScripts menu to trigger 'save configuration' or just trap events and ask for user input where necessary. I'm skeptical that anyone would need to shut down the computer and reopen it with all the same apps and documents open. Using Sleep does that well enough for commuting (even for transatlantic flights), so most times you would like to carry on exactly where you left off you can do that. More often that not though I will soon open Safari, Mail, and iChat, so I do use an Automator app to do that for me. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
I have just uploaded HCDOORBELL.rev to revOnline; find it under 'Richmond' This stack contains 3 notes craftily sucked out of a HyperCard stack and converted into AIFF files. By altering the WAIT period between notes one can get different effects :) Download it, Play with it, Don't say I didn't warn you! sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Player and Midifile
As I have been unable up till now to figure out a way to do realtime midi, I have looked into the QT player again. When I load a standard midi file into the player, the player does play but gives no sound. The player does have a track and it is enabled. Studying Kurt's MidiPlayer, I see that Kurt does specify the midichannel(s) (midiChannelNoteOn and midiChannelNoteOff) and the instrument(s) used. Is it possible, as in a standard sequencer, to have the Instruments assigned globally. What I mean is, when I have a sequence in Logic, I can drag it to another track (another instrument) and it will play the new sound. The track determines the instrument sound, as well as the track does determine the midi channel. So what I am after is creating a midifile with several tracks. Once loaded into the player, I want to be able to change the instrument for a track (e.g. track 2 becomes a violin) without recalculating the midifile. Hi René : did you manage to play a midifile in a player yet? Greetings, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Hi from Paris, in the old days when we all weren't quite so long in tooth, we could all roll our own. In HC, I could roll my own tunes without having to know the midi spec and with only knowing how to read sheetmusic. When I wasn't quite so long in the tooth, we used to make our own music using . a 1403 printer The backplate of this printer used to make musical sounds when struck by the print hammers. After a little trial and error, it didn't take long for us to get to near symphony level. Only problem was that it chewed up the paper somewhat. Thems were the days (IBM 1401 - 1964) !! I don't really need Revolution to make music. There are a zillion and one music apps out there, that do the job giga better ! -Francis (apology-music.com) Nothing should ever be done for the first time ! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Please suggest an easy way to deactivate a fields scripts
William: Of course, in an external object, it works fine. I made a button and a field. The btn script: on mouseup get the script of fld yourField if the optionKey is down then repeat with y = 1 to the number of lines of it put -- before line y of it end repeat else replace -- with empty in it end if set the script of fld yourField to it save stack yourStack end mouseup Likely this would best be done in a menu. You can set the menuItem to something like Lock Field, toggling to UnLock Field. Or check the menuItem, or whatever. Again, you can have no comments anywhere in the field script. Craig Newman ** Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:% 2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] I have a confession...
On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Paul Looney wrote: I agree Colin, Some years ago I was working on a document in Nashville, Tennessee. I closed the lid on the PowerBook, drove 2,000 miles west (visiting customers on the way), did not open the PowerBook for almost a week. When I opened the lid in Los Angeles, the cursor was flashing where I'd left it in Nashville. With a modestly charged battery, sleep should be all one needs. Paul Looney That was also my response to the guy that requested I make such an app for him. He won't do Sleep mode if he is out of the house. Sophisticated guy, has 76 books launched (photos and Indesign work) but was insistent. If I were to make this commercially available I wouldn't need too many of guys like him though. We'll see what happens. sims s...@ezpzapps.com Skype: sims.jim iChat: techietours __ Opportunity by Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
From the feeling I get about MIDI data rates, I don't think it's requirements are any more demanding that the very successful libURL, which is Rev code, so a C++ external is probably overkill. Some work with serial ports (and USB midi) is needed. It's not trivial, but somebody just needs to get down to the specs and write this. Bonus points for this all done in the USB-Midi world, where most midi is connected these days. Stephen Barncard - San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/3/18 Beat Cornaz b.cor...@gmx.net on march 18th Louis wrote : if there isn't going to be an 'internal' version forthcoming from RunRev anytime soon, why not create a user group bounty system for an external? - Anyone up to the task would propose their 'bounty' OR - A community set bounty which developers would then vie for These could be community, developer or RunRev managed. I think it is a very good idea, Louis. I would contribute as much as i can (moneywise and midi specs wise) for an external for realtime Midi. I do not know much about externals and cannot program in C or C++ , but know a bit about the Midi data structure. I have a handler for calculating the' variable length' for the delta times (duration to the next midi event) for instance. Cheers, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Player and Midifile
Hello Beat, Yes I do, I made a little stack that I can send to you if you want...? René Le 18 mars 09 à 17:04, Beat Cornaz a écrit : As I have been unable up till now to figure out a way to do realtime midi, I have looked into the QT player again. When I load a standard midi file into the player, the player does play but gives no sound. The player does have a track and it is enabled. Studying Kurt's MidiPlayer, I see that Kurt does specify the midichannel(s) (midiChannelNoteOn and midiChannelNoteOff) and the instrument(s) used. Is it possible, as in a standard sequencer, to have the Instruments assigned globally. What I mean is, when I have a sequence in Logic, I can drag it to another track (another instrument) and it will play the new sound. The track determines the instrument sound, as well as the track does determine the midi channel. So what I am after is creating a midifile with several tracks. Once loaded into the player, I want to be able to change the instrument for a track (e.g. track 2 becomes a violin) without recalculating the midifile. Hi René : did you manage to play a midifile in a player yet? Greetings, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] I have a confession...
Jim, The customer is always right. ;-) Best wishes. Paul Looney On Mar 18, 2009, at 9:11 AM, Jim Sims wrote: On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Paul Looney wrote: I agree Colin, Some years ago I was working on a document in Nashville, Tennessee. I closed the lid on the PowerBook, drove 2,000 miles west (visiting customers on the way), did not open the PowerBook for almost a week. When I opened the lid in Los Angeles, the cursor was flashing where I'd left it in Nashville. With a modestly charged battery, sleep should be all one needs. Paul Looney That was also my response to the guy that requested I make such an app for him. He won't do Sleep mode if he is out of the house. Sophisticated guy, has 76 books launched (photos and Indesign work) but was insistent. If I were to make this commercially available I wouldn't need too many of guys like him though. We'll see what happens. sims s...@ezpzapps.com Skype: sims.jim iChat: techietours __ Opportunity by Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] I have a confession...
I don't know how commercially viable such an application is, but circa 1992 OS/2 had this feature built into the GUI, and perhaps in a slightly different (more sophisticated?) way. One just selected a property on a folder to make the folder a work-area folder. From then on whenever that folder was opened all the documents in the folder were opened in their respective (associated applications). When one closed the folder, all the documents and (if those documents were the only ones that opened the application) then the application quit too. I guess one could script that in OS X using automator. Like some of the others that responded I haven't felt a need for the app you're describing as I don't restart laptops for days (or even weeks) on end. I particularly like the hibernation feature in Windows. I often don't install any updates until I've decided I want the laptop to reboot. But then again I doubt that my kind of behaviour is normal. Bernard On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Jim Sims s...@ezpzapps.com wrote: I have a confession to make. My question I'm curious about how many apps the people on this list usually have loaded during their work day? was really market research. I wanted to find out how many apps and files people had opened as they work. About three weeks ago a busy photographer friend (76 books launched and 5 in the pipeline) complained to me that OS X didn't have any way to reload apps files that are open when he quits. He said he wanted something like 'Time Machine' but in an application that would load that one set of files and applications. I suggested he use Sleep but as he travels a lot he wants to shut the Mac off completely. So, three weeks later of spare time fiddling I have a beta at: http://www.ezpzapps.com/AppBoot/ Rev enables some fast development but this List is like having your own Rev Genius Bar. Thanks! sims s...@ezpzapps.com Skype: sims.jim iChat: techietours __ Opportunity by Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Player and Midifile
When I load a standard midi file into the player, the player does play but gives no sound. The player does have a track and it is enabled If you mean opening up a midi file in a Rev player object, then: Reference the mid file as a video clip rather than as an audio clip and see what happens. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] I have a confession...
On Mar 18, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote: then again I doubt that my kind of behaviour is normal. Sounds familiar :-) People been saying that about me for years now ;-) sims s...@ezpzapps.com Skype: sims.jim iChat: techietours __ Opportunity by Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Hiya, I think 'limiting' it to MIDI, although handy in itself, would be no good when you want to deal with other types of music files/mixing and _having_ to use QT for that. Music/sounds are more than just MIDI: mp3, aiff, wav, flac, ogg, etc. Cheers, Luis. On 18 Mar 2009, at 16:15, stephen barncard wrote: From the feeling I get about MIDI data rates, I don't think it's requirements are any more demanding that the very successful libURL, which is Rev code, so a C++ external is probably overkill. Some work with serial ports (and USB midi) is needed. It's not trivial, but somebody just needs to get down to the specs and write this. Bonus points for this all done in the USB-Midi world, where most midi is connected these days. Stephen Barncard - San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/3/18 Beat Cornaz b.cor...@gmx.net on march 18th Louis wrote : if there isn't going to be an 'internal' version forthcoming from RunRev anytime soon, why not create a user group bounty system for an external? - Anyone up to the task would propose their 'bounty' OR - A community set bounty which developers would then vie for These could be community, developer or RunRev managed. I think it is a very good idea, Louis. I would contribute as much as i can (moneywise and midi specs wise) for an external for realtime Midi. I do not know much about externals and cannot program in C or C+ + , but know a bit about the Midi data structure. I have a handler for calculating the' variable length' for the delta times (duration to the next midi event) for instance. Cheers, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
mouseControl problem
I am rewriting the ss function in HC. Because it is there. Whereas this works fine (in a button script): on mouseUp set cursor to plus repeat until the optionKey is down if the mouseClick then put the mouseLoc end repeat end mouseUp I cannot get this to work at all: on mouseUp set cursor to plus repeat until the optionKey is down if the mouseClick then put the mouseControl end repeat end mouseUp Only changed one word. I can get mouseLocs at each click all around the stack. I can only get the mouseControl for the object that contains the script itself. Something about the mouseControl? Craig Newman ** Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:% 2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: mouseControl problem
On Mar 18, 2009, at 1:39 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: I can get mouseLocs at each click all around the stack. I can only get the mouseControl for the object that contains the script itself. Something about the mouseControl? As you no doubt read in the help, you get empty if you're not on a control at the time. So the put is probably working. Try this: if the mouseClick then put controlled by: the ticks the mouseControl ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Unix support past 2.5.1?
I note that Rev will run on Unix, but only up to Rev release 2.5.1. Does anyone know if Revolution intends to support Unix beyond 2.5.1? Or is it stopping there? Is there a way to build a list of features supported before and up to 2.5.1, and another list of newer features not supported in 2.5.1? Thanks for any/all comments. --Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: mouseControl problem
Colin. Don't get it. The mouse is over a control when I click. If not, I know I would get empty. Your modification gives me: controlled by a continuous monitoring of the ticks the original control only. I can get other functions to work. It is just the mouseControl... In a message dated 3/18/09 1:43:59 PM, co...@rcn.com writes: As you no doubt read in the help, you get empty if you're not on a control at the time. So the put is probably working. Try this: if the mouseClick then put controlled by: the ticks the mouseControl ** Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: mouseControl problem
On Mar 18, 2009, at 2:03 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Don't get it. The mouse is over a control when I click. If not, I know I would get empty. Your modification gives me: You're still in the mouseup handler of the original control, and so I guess that's the control that the handler still sees. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
But it relies on QT. That could be a deal killer in a non-Mac instance. And it requires midi. I don't read or write midi. Do you? Do most? Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 7:14 PM, gerada...@yahoo.com wrote: My main problem is to stop kids clicking away as if they have some sort of motor disorder while either a program or a media file loads; these children WANT IT NOW, or, given the chance, even sooner. So LATENCY of all forms is my bugbear. A piece of music that takes 10 seconds to load will not get heard. I believe Colin Holgate's instigated MIDI experiment on Jacques slower machine using a field (the slow method) as storage revealed a latency of 8.3 MICROseconds. I understood the result indicated that if that was too slow you could almost halve the latency by using a customProp. I can't imagine a 8MHz Mac Classic running HC was too much faster than that. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
hehehe. Regrettably, I need Rev to make my music. Judy http://revined.bllogspot.com On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon effe...@wanadoo.frwrote: Hi from Paris, in the old days when we all weren't quite so long in tooth, we could all roll our own. In HC, I could roll my own tunes without having to know the midi spec and with only knowing how to read sheetmusic. When I wasn't quite so long in the tooth, we used to make our own music using . a 1403 printer The backplate of this printer used to make musical sounds when struck by the print hammers. After a little trial and error, it didn't take long for us to get to near symphony level. Only problem was that it chewed up the paper somewhat. Thems were the days (IBM 1401 - 1964) !! I don't really need Revolution to make music. There are a zillion and one music apps out there, that do the job giga better ! -Francis (apology-music.com) Nothing should ever be done for the first time ! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unix support past 2.5.1?
Scott, Rev 3.0 supports Linux. Which flavor of unix are you looking for? Bill Vlahos Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Scott Pepperdine spep...@byu.net wrote: I note that Rev will run on Unix, but only up to Rev release 2.5.1. Does anyone know if Revolution intends to support Unix beyond 2.5.1? Or is it stopping there? Is there a way to build a list of features supported before and up to 2.5.1, and another list of newer features not supported in 2.5.1? Thanks for any/all comments. --Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
On Mar 18, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Judy Perry wrote: But it relies on QT. That could be a deal killer in a non-Mac instance. And it requires midi. I don't read or write midi. Do you? Do most? Something like 64% of machines have QuickTime (http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/ ), so your possible market would be limited to only 400 millions users. Rev would do the reading and writing of MIDI for you. Someone else would have to do a handler that converted something easy into MIDI data that could be stored and then written when needed. You would still be limited to this list of sounds: http://www.midi.org/techspecs/gm1sound.php ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Player and Midifile
I'd like to see it too, René! Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:18 AM, René Micout rmic...@online.fr wrote: Hello Beat, Yes I do, I made a little stack that I can send to you if you want...? René Le 18 mars 09 à 17:04, Beat Cornaz a écrit : As I have been unable up till now to figure out a way to do realtime midi, I have looked into the QT player again. When I load a standard midi file into the player, the player does play but gives no sound. The player does have a track and it is enabled. Studying Kurt's MidiPlayer, I see that Kurt does specify the midichannel(s) (midiChannelNoteOn and midiChannelNoteOff) and the instrument(s) used. Is it possible, as in a standard sequencer, to have the Instruments assigned globally. What I mean is, when I have a sequence in Logic, I can drag it to another track (another instrument) and it will play the new sound. The track determines the instrument sound, as well as the track does determine the midi channel. So what I am after is creating a midifile with several tracks. Once loaded into the player, I want to be able to change the instrument for a track (e.g. track 2 becomes a violin) without recalculating the midifile. Hi René : did you manage to play a midifile in a player yet? Greetings, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Well, since I have Macs, for me, personally, it isn't an issue, but I've heard from others on this list that they'd really like to be free of QT dependency. Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Colin Holgate co...@rcn.com wrote: On Mar 18, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Judy Perry wrote: But it relies on QT. That could be a deal killer in a non-Mac instance. And it requires midi. I don't read or write midi. Do you? Do most? Something like 64% of machines have QuickTime ( http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/), so your possible market would be limited to only 400 millions users. Rev would do the reading and writing of MIDI for you. Someone else would have to do a handler that converted something easy into MIDI data that could be stored and then written when needed. You would still be limited to this list of sounds: http://www.midi.org/techspecs/gm1sound.php ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: mouseControl problem
Colin. Hmmm. So I put a mouseEnter handler in the stack script, and this does report whatever control the mouse runs over as it travels. I would have thought so myself. I cannot believe that I cannot call it at will from a running handler, though. This seems like a bug. Why so different from any other function? Craig Newman In a message dated 3/18/09 2:35:57 PM, co...@rcn.com writes: You're still in the mouseup handler of the original control, and so I guess that's the control that the handler still sees. ** Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Colin Holgate wrote: Something like 64% of machines have QuickTime You don't say . . . However: 1. Runtime Revolution claims to be truly cross-platform. 2. Lists of system requirements that may require end-users to install other bits and bobs are a guaranteed turn-off. 3. I have a 'funny feeling' that Windows (which 'enjoys' the bulk of the market share) may become a minority OS relatively soon; whether pushed out by some sort of Linux or something else I cannot say; but may be not something that functions with Quicktime. For RunRev to claim to be truly cross-platform it needs to become independent of external sources of help, such as Quicktime. Now, whether that involves something of the sort that we have been discussing over the last few weeks, or building some quite complex multimedia functionality into RunRev I don't know. Certainly part of this question will be answered when the folks in Edinburgh decide if they want to compete with the likes of MM Director. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: mouseControl problem
DunbarX wrote: I am rewriting the ss function in HC. Because it is there. What does ss do? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unix support past 2.5.1?
Specifically interested in IBM's AIX. I need to do some server based programming (not CGI), so 2.5.1 may be sufficient, it would just be comforting to know that Unix was not being abandoned. Is there a good way to get a concise list of what has been added since 2.5.1 to better evaluate its usefulness? Or do I need to find 'release notes' for each release since then and make my own list? Thanks, --Scott Bill Vlahos wrote: Scott, Rev 3.0 supports Linux. Which flavor of unix are you looking for? Bill Vlahos Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Scott Pepperdine spep...@byu.net wrote: I note that Rev will run on Unix, but only up to Rev release 2.5.1. Does anyone know if Revolution intends to support Unix beyond 2.5.1? Or is it stopping there? Is there a way to build a list of features supported before and up to 2.5.1, and another list of newer features not supported in 2.5.1? Thanks for any/all comments. --Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: mouseControl problem
On Mar 18, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I am rewriting the ss function in HC. Because it is there. What does ss do? Search Scripts, it would search through all of your stack's scripts. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Please suggest an easy way to deactivate a fields scripts
Why would you need to set the script of an object to something else while one of the handlers in that script container is running? Certainly you can reset scripts anywhere you like, but this is easily done from another script container. If this is something you really need to do then build a handler in the stack script and call it from the mouseEnter. This version is untested (but close) should work for any object you want. btn script on mouseEnter send (adjustMyScript the long name of me) to this stack in 10 milliseconds end mouseEnter on mouseEnter2 --do the work here end mouseEnter2 - stack script on adjustMyScript theCallingObject if the the cpKeepThis of the (theCallingObject) is empty then --we need to define some custom properties --these get saved with the stack get the script of theCallingObject set the cpKeepThis of the (theCallingObject) to line 1 to 14 of it set the cpCommentThis of the (theCallingObject) to line 15 to -2 of it set the cpEndHandler of the (theCallingObject) to line -1 of it save this stack end if get the cpKeepThis of the (theCallingObject) get it cr get it the cpEndHandler of the (theCallingObject) set the script of theCallingObject it save this stack send mouseEnter2 to theCallingObject in 10 millisecs end adjustMyScript This allows each object to store variations of the script in its own custom property structure. If you put the button into a group, then you also have the group script available in the hierarchy before the card and stack script. Jim Ault Las Vegas On Mar 18, 2009, at 8:04 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/18/09 10:20:04 AM, shoreag...@gmail.com writes: Craig Do you really do that in any of your scripts? No. And you cannot. An error message states you cannot set script while it is executing. I tried: on mouseEnter get the script of me put line 1 to 14 of it return into keepThis put line 15 to the number of lines of it of it into commentThis if the optionKey is down then repeat with y = 1 to the number of lines of commentThis put -- before line y of commentThis end repeat else replace -- with empty in commentThis end if set the script of me to keepThis commentThis save stack yourStack end mouseEnter ** Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: mouseControl problem
In a message dated 3/18/09 3:27:08 PM, ambassa...@fourthworld.com writes: What does ss do? SearchScript, in the HC home stack. It allows you to request all instances of a string in any object within any stack: fld, btns, cds, bgs, the stack itself. It opened the script editor of each object in turn, placing the cursor at the top, and the string in the global searchFindString, which allowed Cmd-G to jump to each instance quickly. You could edit on the fly. Pressing enter closed that objects' script editor and the next one appeared. I (we?) need one. But the Rev script editor may not work in quite the same way. Craig ** Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad .doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: mouseControl problem
ss = search script containers for a string Rev Find is more powerful in some ways, but HC would highlight the found string after opening a script container, but only for the frontmost stack. Rev Find is wider in scope. Jim Ault Las Vegas On Mar 18, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: DunbarX wrote: I am rewriting the ss function in HC. Because it is there. What does ss do? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] I have a confession...
Does you friend have a newer Mac (Powerbook G4 SD and newer)? If so, I would tell him to just put it to sleep. By default the contents of RAM is written to a disk image. Details on Safe Sleep can be found here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1757 You can even enable it on slighter older machines. Here is a write up: http://www.mariospina.com/braindump/archives/2005/11/13/how_to_safe_sleep_hibernate_your_mac.php If he still insists, maybe you can force the hibernate function to occur at Shutdown as well. Regards, Todd On Mar 18, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Jim Sims wrote: On Mar 18, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote: then again I doubt that my kind of behaviour is normal. Sounds familiar :-) People been saying that about me for years now ;-) sims s...@ezpzapps.com Skype: sims.jim iChat: techietours __ Opportunity by Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Back to my BBC Master . . .
In BBC BASIC the command to play a note is really very straight forward: SOUND C,A,P,D where C is the channel number. A is the amplitude (volume) of the note. P is the pitch (frequency) of the note. D is the duration (length) of the note. Now, for the sake of argument, if beepLoudness, beepDuration and beepPitch to be adapted / adopted the equivalent statement would involve 4 lines of code. The HyperCard method seems, on the face of things, to be a bit better than the BBC method insofar as Channel and Amplitude don't have to be set for each note. There is also space for more than one seed sound. After fiddling around a bit on my G4 Mac I managed to sort the system beep out so that BEEP went BEEP (Oh, Dear Me!). So volume control is possible (on Mac). However, one is tied to the system beep . . . . . Hacking around with my dear, old friend ResEdit in the FOLK TUNES stack I mentioned in an earlier posting, I found 3 seed sounds (stored in the resource fork), allowing the programmer to leverage these 3 sounds. These are the sounds, after conversion to AIFF files I have embedded in HCDOORBELL.rev at revOnline; even if only to demonstrate that they cannot really be manipulated in any meaningful way with RR. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Please suggest an easy way to deactivate a fields scripts
Why not do something like this if the optionKey is down then get the deactivateMode of me if it is true then set the deactivateMode of me to false else set the deactivateMode of me to true save this stack end if end if if the deactivateMode of me of me is false then execute these lines line 15 to -2 of the script end if --thus the optionKey toggles the deactivate mode of the field --and saves this with the stack --it is reversible Jim Ault Las Vegas On Mar 18, 2009, at 8:04 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/18/09 10:20:04 AM, shoreag...@gmail.com writes: Craig Do you really do that in any of your scripts? No. And you cannot. An error message states you cannot set script while it is executing. I tried: on mouseEnter get the script of me put line 1 to 14 of it return into keepThis put line 15 to the number of lines of it of it into commentThis if the optionKey is down then repeat with y = 1 to the number of lines of commentThis put -- before line y of commentThis end repeat else replace -- with empty in commentThis end if set the script of me to keepThis commentThis save stack yourStack end mouseEnter ** Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: mouseControl problem
All; This thread sounds like we have a vermin problem. We do. The mouseStack function works just fine. Why not the mouseControl function??. Craig Newman ** Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:% 2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unix support past 2.5.1?
Scott Pepperdine wrote: Specifically interested in IBM's AIX. Is IBM still shipping that? I'd thought with all their investment in Linux they weren't putting more into AIX, no? I need to do some server based programming (not CGI), so 2.5.1 may be sufficient Probably the only thing useful on the server is multi-dimensional arrays, introduced in v3.0. Most other enhancements have been on the GUI side. it would just be comforting to know that Unix was not being abandoned. Don't know for sure. Have you written supp...@runrev.com? Most of the Unix OSes they used to support (Irix, Sun, etc.) are no longer shipping, with many of those companies following IBM's lead in migration to Linux. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
revOnline has a Spring cold.
revOnline seem to be playing-up again; unable to upload . . . sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: mouseControl problem
dunb...@aol.com wrote: I am rewriting the ss function in HC. Because it is there. Whereas this works fine (in a button script): on mouseUp set cursor to plus repeat until the optionKey is down if the mouseClick then put the mouseLoc end repeat end mouseUp I cannot get this to work at all: on mouseUp set cursor to plus repeat until the optionKey is down if the mouseClick then put the mouseControl end repeat end mouseUp Only changed one word. I can get mouseLocs at each click all around the stack. I can only get the mouseControl for the object that contains the script itself. Something about the mouseControl? From the docs: If the mouse button is down, the mouseControl function returns the control that was clicked, even if the mouse has moved to another control. Since the mouseclick causes a mousedown, mouseWithin, mouseUp sequence, and since your repeat loop is very short and tight, the mousecontrol may be triggering on the original mousedown only. I'm guessing though. A better method might be to use a flag and the mousemove message: In a button: on mouseup send getmousecontrol to this cd in 1 end mouseup In the card or stack: local flag on getmousecontrol put true into flag end getmousecontrol on mousemove x,y if the optionkey is down then put false into flag if flag then put the mousecontrol end mousemove There are some other reasons not to poll the mouse inside a repeat loop. One reason is that the right values aren't always returned, because the condition of the mouse is only checked at the exact moment the line of script is running. In long loops, a mouseclick may not trigger at all if the mouse is clicked while a different command inside the loop is running. More here: http://www.hyperactivesw.com/polling.html -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Player and Midifile
René wrote : Hello Beat, Yes I do, I made a little stack that I can send to you if you want...? René Yes please do! Thanks, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Richmond Mathewson wrote: For RunRev to claim to be truly cross-platform it needs to become independent of external sources of help, such as Quicktime. It is. If QuickTime is not installed on Windows, Rev uses WMP instead. On Linux it uses mplayer. Mac of course requires QT but that's not an issue. However, if developers themselves ship their videos in proprietary QT formats then QT is needed -- but that isn't a Rev problem, that's a developer choice. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: mouseControl problem
DunbarX wrote: SearchScript, in the HC home stack. It allows you to request all instances of a string in any object within any stack: fld, btns, cds, bgs, the stack itself. It opened the script editor of each object in turn, placing the cursor at the top, and the string in the global searchFindString, which allowed Cmd-G to jump to each instance quickly. You could edit on the fly. Pressing enter closed that objects' script editor and the next one appeared. I (we?) need one. But the Rev script editor may not work in quite the same way. Thanks for the reminder. I also wrote a lot of replacement handlers when I first took up MetaCard, but ss was one I had to let go because, unlike HC and SC, MC/Rev's script editor isn't modal. Ss is able to walk through the occurrences because editing a script in HC stops all other execution. Not so with Rev, so if you wrote it correctly it would just open up multiple script editors all over the place. I made a utility to find stuff for me, with the extra bonus that it searches either a stack or everything in the current message path (including frontScripts, libraries, and backScripts). It's available in RevNet - in Rev see Development-Plugins-GoRevNet, and once you're in look in Stacks for 4w_ScriptSearch.rev. BTW: How does ss relate to the mouseControl? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
J. Landman Gay wrote: It is. If QuickTime is not installed on Windows, Rev uses WMP instead. On Linux it uses mplayer. Mac of course requires QT but that's not an issue. Recent court cases against Microsoft seem to suggest that that company may be forced to sell versions of it Operating system without WMP rolled in as this is deemed anti-competitive. I wonder if something similar my yet happen with Apple and Quicktime. My old Pentium II that trots along merrily on 32 MB RAM and Damn Small Linux doesn't have mplayer . . . I am currently using it for my 13 year-old to work on his Bulgarian literature for his High School entrance exams - using a CD I authored using RR a couple of years back: it is a good thing that it is largely extremely boring text :) Runtime Revolution is cross-platform insofar as it can lever components that are often present on target platforms; it is not 'platforn neutral' in that it still depends on those components being there, when they are not a given. There are other postings just now that would seem to suggest RR is reducing exactly how cross-platform it is, as support for UNIX and others seems to have been left behind. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: mouseControl problem
Richard. Er, it doesn't. I am rewriting ss and the superGrouper handlers. Goofed. Craig In a message dated 3/18/09 4:52:21 PM, ambassa...@fourthworld.com writes: BTW: How does ss relate to the mouseControl? ** Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
J. Landman Gay wrote: I'm curious how you'd play back video without a video component installed. I have a funny feeling that Adobe/MacroMedia Director manages it by itself. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: mouseControl problem
dunb...@aol.com wrote: Richard. Er, it doesn't. I am rewriting ss and the superGrouper handlers. Goofed. All the supergrouper stuff is built into the IDE, just select more than one object (shift-click with the edit arrow) and open the property inspector. The align objects pane is what you want (unless this is just an exercise.) In addition, you can bulk-set any property that the objects all have in common. The inspector will enable any of those that apply. Trying to reproduce what the IDE already does can require some work, as you'll have to work around all the internal messages the IDE is generating in order to do it for you. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Richmond Mathewson wrote: J. Landman Gay wrote: I'm curious how you'd play back video without a video component installed. I have a funny feeling that Adobe/MacroMedia Director manages it by itself. You want RR to write an independent, cross-platform, full-featured video and audio player? You'd be happy to pay for one, right? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
That's a bit like saying Quicktime manages by itself. While Flash is more of a RAD tool these days, it is at its heart a media playback engine. Technically, you are correct, but Flash is more the exception than the rule. Normally video is something provided by the OS. With that said, you could drop a Flash video player in AltBrowser =). J. Landman Gay wrote: I'm curious how you'd play back video without a video component installed. I have a funny feeling that Adobe/MacroMedia Director manages it by itself. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
That's good to know. I probably knew that once upon a time @;-P Thanks Jacque! Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:44 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: Richmond Mathewson wrote: For RunRev to claim to be truly cross-platform it needs to become independent of external sources of help, such as Quicktime. It is. If QuickTime is not installed on Windows, Rev uses WMP instead. On Linux it uses mplayer. Mac of course requires QT but that's not an issue. However, if developers themselves ship their videos in proprietary QT formats then QT is needed -- but that isn't a Rev problem, that's a developer choice. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Judy wrote : But it relies on QT. That could be a deal killer in a non-Mac instance. And it requires midi. I don't read or write midi. Do you? Do most? I don't read midi fluently either :-) But with a function that does the job it is easy. If you need a function that translate times and notes to midi, let me know. Cheers, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
J. Landman Gay wrote: You want RR to write an independent, cross-platform, full-featured video and audio player? You'd be happy to pay for one, right? Gosh, must have touched a nerve there. Sorry! Adobe Director costs $999 (whether that is only single platform or for both Mac and Win is not clear) Runtime Revolution costs $499 about half the 'hit'. No, I don't; but some people on this use-list seem unaware of what it takes both in terms of money and work to build in all the additional stuff. However, I didn't point out that Director could do this because I wanted RR to do this: I pointed it out so you could see what 'truly cross-platform' meant :) - I am also well aware that RR can do quite a few, arguably more practical, things than Director. If I wanted to build richly immersive environments where teenage geeks could lose themselves and fail their exams I might well work with Director (having done something tending in that direction when I was working in the UAE ten years ago). But, my bread and cheese comes from producing considerably less media-intensive stuff for which Runtime Revolution has served me very well indeed for some considerable time. Or, put it another way: I paid about 3 months of my income to attend the RunRev conference in Edinburgh rather than to attend some Adobe function somewhere else! [That reminds me, I have to darn my kilt as I cannot afford a new one.] sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Beat, Yes, I'd love to see such a thing! Might well tide me over until/if Rev ever implements such a beast natively :-D Now we just need sound channels... Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Beat Cornaz b.cor...@gmx.net wrote: Judy wrote : But it relies on QT. That could be a deal killer in a non-Mac instance. And it requires midi. I don't read or write midi. Do you? Do most? I don't read midi fluently either :-) But with a function that does the job it is easy. If you need a function that translate times and notes to midi, let me know. Cheers, Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: mouseControl problem
Jacque. I know, and it works really well. Anyway, for me the exercise is worth it. Craig In a message dated 3/18/09 5:26:51 PM, jac...@hyperactivesw.com writes: All the supergrouper stuff is built into the IDE, just select more than one object (shift-click with the edit arrow) and open the property inspector. The align objects pane is what you want (unless this is just an exercise.) In addition, you can bulk-set any property that the objects all have in common. The inspector will enable any of those that apply. Trying to reproduce what the IDE already does can require some work, as you'll have to work around all the internal messages the IDE is generating in order to do it for you. ** Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Richmond Mathewson wrote: Runtime Revolution is cross-platform insofar as it can lever components that are often present on target platforms; it is not 'platforn neutral' in that it still depends on those components being there, when they are not a given. I'm curious how you'd play back video without a video component installed. There are other postings just now that would seem to suggest RR is reducing exactly how cross-platform it is, as support for UNIX and others seems to have been left behind. As Richard mentioned, most of the other UNIX systems are very old. They are still served by older versions of the engine however. There's also the issue of just how many man-hours RR should invest in maintaining support for operating systems that may be used by only a handful of customers (if that.) Linux has the largest installed base right now and serves almost all RR's customers well. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
U, I don't think the $999 Director is for both plats; educationally it can be had for less. You might find Director better and more truly cross-plat, but I'm tentatively certain it doesn't do unix, doesn't do OS-native controls, I was chewed out by my instructor for my thinking it handled video well, caused me huge grief and I'll gladly pay for and use Rev any and every day of the week, 52 weeks out of the year! Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Richmond Mathewson gerada...@yahoo.comwrote: J. Landman Gay wrote: You want RR to write an independent, cross-platform, full-featured video and audio player? You'd be happy to pay for one, right? Gosh, must have touched a nerve there. Sorry! Adobe Director costs $999 (whether that is only single platform or for both Mac and Win is not clear) Runtime Revolution costs $499 about half the 'hit'. No, I don't; but some people on this use-list seem unaware of what it takes both in terms of money and work to build in all the additional stuff. However, I didn't point out that Director could do this because I wanted RR to do this: I pointed it out so you could see what 'truly cross-platform' meant :) - I am also well aware that RR can do quite a few, arguably more practical, things than Director. If I wanted to build richly immersive environments where teenage geeks could lose themselves and fail their exams I might well work with Director (having done something tending in that direction when I was working in the UAE ten years ago). But, my bread and cheese comes from producing considerably less media-intensive stuff for which Runtime Revolution has served me very well indeed for some considerable time. Or, put it another way: I paid about 3 months of my income to attend the RunRev conference in Edinburgh rather than to attend some Adobe function somewhere else! [That reminds me, I have to darn my kilt as I cannot afford a new one.] sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Louis wrote : I think 'limiting' it to MIDI, although handy in itself, would be no good when you want to deal with other types of music files/mixing and _having_ to use QT for that. Music/sounds are more than just MIDI: mp3, aiff, wav, flac, ogg, etc. I agree. Limiting to midi would not be good. But i think that midi is a totally different sort of animal than sounds. Midi are just instructions and the sounds you'll be hearing are dependend on the soundmodule, syntheziser, midi instrument or whatever thing that will receive your midi commands. As sounds, well everybody knows what sounds are. They are the thing themselves. So if we want to have better music capabilities in Revolution, we'll need to look at midi and at playing sounds. But I think it will be wise not to mix up the two. Personally I am mostly interested in midi, but wouldn't mind better ways of playing sound at all. Beat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
Richmond Mathewson wrote: Adobe Director costs $999 (whether that is only single platform or for both Mac and Win is not clear) Runtime Revolution costs $499 about half the 'hit'. No, I don't; but some people on this use-list seem unaware of what it takes both in terms of money and work to build in all the additional stuff. However, I didn't point out that Director could do this because I wanted RR to do this: I pointed it out so you could see what 'truly cross-platform' meant :) How much is Director for Linux? Or does truly cross-platform mean something else? :) Also, look at the number of system messages you can respond to in Director vs. Rev. Both are cross-platform tools (well, if we ignore the third platform g), but each has a very different focus. Exercise for the reader: write a script editor in Director (heck, try writing any good text editor in Director). Then try animating multiple looped sprites in Rev. Drive nails with a hammer, tighten screws with a screwdriver, but hammer nails with the back end of a screwdriver at your own productivity risk. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
On 19/03/09 9:01 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Exercise for the reader: write a script editor in Director (heck, try writing any good text editor in Director). Well you may not get far, but at least your dog of an effort will have paragraph level formatting. Terry... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Default Email Client on Windows?
Anyone know where to find the default email app in the Windows registry? I'm trying to address a situation where a user may not have any mail app installed (or simply not initialized) and I'm hoping the above entry will be blank or provide some indication that the user has not specified any client app. Thanks Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Default Email Client on Windows?
On 3/18/09 5:16 PM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote: Anyone know where to find the default email app in the Windows registry? Yup... right here: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Classes\mailto\shell\open\command\ This gives you the path to the default email app. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolutio
My 2 cents. Personally I'd discourage the Rev team from spending time and resources on developing any native music making function, especially one as primitive as that in HyperCard. There are more pressing tasks for them to tackle and the music making can be accomplished by the rev developer leveraging what multimedia capabilities are present outside of, yet accessible to, Rev Jim Lambert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Stable sorting on steroids
One of the undocumented features in HC was this version of the sort command: Sort whatEver/howEver by sortKey1 sortKey2 sortKey3 So you can sort lines of container by word 1 of each word 3 of each. No limit. The sort order is from left to right. The docs, as in HC, imply you should run through multiple sorts, and boast they will remain stable. Good to see this lives on in Rev. (still undocumented). Craig Newman ** Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:% 2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stable sorting on steroids
DunbarX wrote: One of the undocumented features in HC was this version of the sort command: Sort whatEver/howEver by sortKey1 sortKey2 sortKey3 So you can sort lines of container by word 1 of each word 3 of each. No limit. The sort order is from left to right. The docs, as in HC, imply you should run through multiple sorts, and boast they will remain stable. Good to see this lives on in Rev. (still undocumented). Probably just an oversight. Did you flag it in the RQCC? http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/ -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
But i think that midi is a totally different sort of animal than sounds. Midi are just instructions and the sounds you'll be hearing are dependend on the soundmodule, syntheziser, midi instrument or whatever thing that will receive your midi commands. As sounds, well everybody knows what sounds are. They are the thing themselves. You could compare vector (draw) graphics to MIDI, and bitmapped (paint) graphics to sound. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stable sorting on steroids
Richard, I can barely use the tools the good Lord gave me. Flag it in the RQCC? I'll try. Craig In a message dated 3/18/09 6:42:13 PM, ambassa...@fourthworld.com writes: Probably just an oversight. Did you flag it in the RQCC? ** Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] I have a confession...
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:45 AM, Todd Higgins higgin...@gmail.com wrote: Does you friend have a newer Mac (Powerbook G4 SD and newer)? If so, I would tell him to just put it to sleep. By default the contents of RAM is written to a disk image. Details on Safe Sleep can be found here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1757 Yeah, this is a way cool feature. Sleep your MacBook, pull the battery out (unlucky for the new MBP 17 owners) for a second or two and then pop it back in. Next time you power up your MB it's right back where you left it. Probably not a long term recommended solution, but I've appreciated this feature way too many times than I should have. Towards a less brutal solution, on OS X, you might think about looking into ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.recentitems.plist Unfortunately whilst this gives the name of the file in plain English, the path is given in some kind of code which fortunately can be decoded using AppleScript. Look here for some hints how to sort the list chronologically: http://macscripter.net/viewtopic.php?id=17554 My initial thoughts would be to work with the listed Documents, not Applications. Have the user set the Recent Document to a reasonable number. By sorting chronologically you should be able to remove any files that were opened the day previously, unfortunately if it's set to 20 and he opens 20 files and closes 10 of them on the same day, when he starts again it's going to open all 20 :-( HTH ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolutio
Amen On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Jim Lambert j...@netrin.com wrote: My 2 cents. Personally I'd discourage the Rev team from spending time and resources on developing any native music making function, especially one as primitive as that in HyperCard. There are more pressing tasks for them to tackle and the music making can be accomplished by the rev developer leveraging what multimedia capabilities are present outside of, yet accessible to, Rev Jim Lambert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC Music that should be on Runtime Revolution
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Kurt Kaufman kkauf...@snet.net wrote: You could compare vector (draw) graphics to MIDI, and bitmapped (paint) graphics to sound. Nnnoo! Now some nostalgic is going to want to know why the glory days of B/W PICT images in HC aren't cross platform supported by Rev ;-) That is a joke and is intentionally directed to all the old HCers out there. I'm still amazed at what some people could produce with a choice of black, white and only 175104 pixels! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] I have a confession...
The simplest solution to this problem would be just make the machine hibernate instead of sleep. Here is the command: sudo pmset -b hibernatemode 1 When on battery power and the sleep command is issued, the laptop will write the memory to disk and then powerdown the machine. I tested it on my 1st gen. Macbook Pro, and it worked as advertised. man pmset in the Terminal will give you the nitty gritty details about the command, but I found an article online that explains it nicely: http://www.pengekcs.com/2007/09/08/mac-os-x-hibernate-sleep-mode/ Regards, Todd On Mar 18, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:45 AM, Todd Higgins higgin...@gmail.com wrote: Does you friend have a newer Mac (Powerbook G4 SD and newer)? If so, I would tell him to just put it to sleep. By default the contents of RAM is written to a disk image. Details on Safe Sleep can be found here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1757 Yeah, this is a way cool feature. Sleep your MacBook, pull the battery out (unlucky for the new MBP 17 owners) for a second or two and then pop it back in. Next time you power up your MB it's right back where you left it. Probably not a long term recommended solution, but I've appreciated this feature way too many times than I should have. Towards a less brutal solution, on OS X, you might think about looking into ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.recentitems.plist Unfortunately whilst this gives the name of the file in plain English, the path is given in some kind of code which fortunately can be decoded using AppleScript. Look here for some hints how to sort the list chronologically: http://macscripter.net/viewtopic.php?id=17554 My initial thoughts would be to work with the listed Documents, not Applications. Have the user set the Recent Document to a reasonable number. By sorting chronologically you should be able to remove any files that were opened the day previously, unfortunately if it's set to 20 and he opens 20 files and closes 10 of them on the same day, when he starts again it's going to open all 20 :-( HTH ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Best practices for license key files
I'm about to release a consumer application that has a license key. Since it will work on multiple platforms (thanks to Rev) I am planning on creating a license key file on disk so that all of the executables can use it. The file will only contain 2 strings that make up the 2 parts of the key although there could be other descriptive text in the file too. The nature of this software is to be portable so it will be OK for the user to have the key file on multiple devices. It could be as simple as a text file with the clear text strings on each line, or an XML file, or could be in a stack file, or the information could be encrypted (or otherwise processed in a way that makes it not clear text). The two strings will be known to the user and they have to be a matched set or they won't be valid. I was just thinking of keeping it simple and just put them into a text file. I'm not that worried about piracy (at this point anyway) so knowing the information won't be that different than having a copy of the actual key file. I'd be interested in what you folks do and the rational behind it. Thanks, Bill Vlahos ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unix support past 2.5.1?
IBM still ships and supports AIX. Business isn't what it used to be, but Linux hasn't swallowed up the entire server market yet. Many shops still run on mainframes and mid-range servers that are not Linux only. I agree that the array support of 3.0 would be handy on the server. Also, there were some rev_db changes in 2.9 that need to be examined, from what I can see. Thanks for your thoughts. Richard Gaskin wrote: Scott Pepperdine wrote: Specifically interested in IBM's AIX. Is IBM still shipping that? I'd thought with all their investment in Linux they weren't putting more into AIX, no? I need to do some server based programming (not CGI), so 2.5.1 may be sufficient Probably the only thing useful on the server is multi-dimensional arrays, introduced in v3.0. Most other enhancements have been on the GUI side. it would just be comforting to know that Unix was not being abandoned. Don't know for sure. Have you written supp...@runrev.com? Most of the Unix OSes they used to support (Irix, Sun, etc.) are no longer shipping, with many of those companies following IBM's lead in migration to Linux. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] I have a confession...
On Mar 19, 2009, at 1:12 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: http://macscripter.net/viewtopic.php?id=17554 My initial thoughts would be to work with the listed Documents, not Applications. Have the user set the Recent Document to a reasonable number. By sorting chronologically you should be able to remove any files that were opened the day previously, unfortunately if it's set to 20 and he opens 20 files and closes 10 of them on the same day, when he starts again it's going to open all 20 :-( This tip is very helpful! Some nice applescript on that web page. By getting the list open apps and then running the following script (substituting app names from my list of open apps) I can get currently open file names (no paths). I can run the list of current files with one of the scripts on that web page you refer to and also get the pathways to those files. tell application System Events get name of every window of application process Preview end tell This works great for Recent Items but falls down when trying to get some apps files, such as Microsoft Word docs. They use a different system. Thanks! sims s...@ezpzapps.com Skype: sims.jim iChat: techietours __ Opportunity by Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
