Any thoughts on speed limitations of Revlet?

[James Hurley]

Before I begin to dream about the potential of Revlet, I would like to  
have some idea about the potential, particularly the speed in running  
graphics.


Just for fun I ran a small part of a stack meant to demonstrate the  
physics behind the rainbow. The stack, as  a Revlet in Safari,  is  
very slow; bordering  on the prohibitive. (Maybe that's what Clinton  
had in mind when he said before his first election that he smoked  
marijuana but he didn't inhale. He was only bordering on the  
prohibitive?)


Since the Revlet app is downloaded to one's computer, it is not  
running off of the cloud. It runs off the desktop plug in--but it is  
displayed in a web browser.


Anyone have any idea how this will limit the computational or display  
speed of Revlet? Are the speed problems primarily associated with  
display? Maybe it is too early to ask this question.


Jim Hurley

P.S. The stack I tried was "RainbowTest.rev" and if you are interested  
you can see it in action by running the line below in the message box.  
And if you have Rev 4.0 you can create your own test by saving it for  
the web.


go url "http://www.jamesphurley.com/RainbowTest.rev";

Not only does the "mouseMove" handler run lethargically, but the image  
(a flashlight, or up in Scotland, a torch) carrying that script breaks  
up on the screen, i.e. the image breaks up into two separate parts. Odd.




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uploading a test revlet on safari to a web site

[revinfo1155]

I've successfully created a web application with webmedia. it runs good 
although I'll have to clean up a few things. The question is, how do I upload 
the web application from the test mode in safari that webmedia creates to an 
actual web page on the web? i have access to idisk storage and iweb. Can it be 
done on them?



Jack










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Can a revlet communicate with Applescript?

[Michael]

Hi:

I was wondering if a revlet can communicate with Applescript. For example,
how could Applescript access the coordinates of an object moved inside the
revlet? 

In general, what would be the best methods for passing data out of a revlet?
Does the revlet need to write to a file locally or to a server? Can on-rev
facilitate the process in some way?

Thanks for any insights,

m

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Re: [weblet] How can a webLet communicate with the hosting html page?

[Robert M.]

Many thanks! it does work indeed so to make things 200% clear I made a little
test stack that prints out all the parameters taken into account by the
revletParams. 

cf.testParamsOk
http://www.nabble.com/file/p24654055/testParamsOK.rev testParamsOK.rev 

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reCAPTCHA/ON-REV integration

[Pierre Sahores]

'Evening List,

I just had to install a captcha system to protect an ON-REV portal /  
irev forms from unwanted spams robots and automatical cgi fills in. I  
choosed to integrate the reCAPTCHA web-service directly within the  
irev based app (a line of js + an inline irev/php wrapper + the 2  
recaptcha php's form & lib files + 1 revtalk "POST" to the recaptcha  
fill-in control server).


To see how it works, have an eye at : 


To read more about the MIT licensied reCAPTCHA service, see : 


If an abstract about how to handle the reCAPTCHA integration with ON- 
REV can help, just tell me.


Kind Regards,

Pierre


On 11 Feb 2008, at 18:36, jbv wrote:
Here's my question : in order to prevent ppl to register hundreds of  
> times automatically, > or simply to hinder hackers to send large  
amounts of automatic cgi > requests and to > clutter mySQL tables  
with useless registrations, I've been asked to > think about some >  
protection.
Most Web forms validate the entry, eg. to be a valid e-mail address  
there has to be an @ in it, and it has to end in a toplevel domain.  
Many also store e-mails in addition to logins, and you're not really  
registered until you click an automatic generated link in the e-mail  
they send you. The best Method known to me is the "captcha" . Basically you show an image of distorted and crossed out text,  
and the user has to enter what he reads. But these images have to be  
generated randomly, and this isn't really simple to do with any  
http- server software. Also the Way you distord and add lines need  
to follow some rules, otherwise it's easily circumvented. Another  
(similar) approach is this: You need many pictures of a few things,  
and store what thing the picture shows. Then you show 9 of them,  
asking the user to click on the dog (or whatever). Obviously nothing  
in the picture's url should point out what kind of thing it shows  
for this to work. Also there should be only one dog (or whatever) at  
a time. Fuzzy animals work best for this (kittens, young dogs,  
rabbits, etc.), because they "blend" into the background, and  
currently computers can't distinguish cat's from dog's, so no hacker  
can spoil this (yet). Obviously simple and clearly coloured  
geometric shapes are not ideal. Note that this is less secure then  
the text approach above, but of course it's infinitely more cute. :)  
These are the three methods I'd choose one from to use myself.

Björnke

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Re: Revlet behaving badly in Safari

[Richmond Mathewson]

Kevin Stallibrass wrote:

I have a small (test) revlet that gets a folder path using the standard
answer folder statement. The app works fine as a standalone on both Win
XP/Vista and OSX 10.5.7 


However, building the app as a revlet gives me a problem with OSX 10.5.7 and
Safari in that when the answer folder script is run, the correct dialog
appears BEHIND the safari browser. Each time the code is run, another dialog
appears, again behind the Safari window. The last of these dialogs can be
closed but there is no way I can get rid of the earlier ones without
restarting. Exactly the same thing happen with any command that causes an OS
window to appear including when using   do "something"as Applescript  so  I
presume this must a global thing that I'm missing

There are no issues with the revlet running on XP/Vista with IE 


If you care to look, http://www.roberthorneprofiles.co.uk/apps/test.html  -
try the 'Set' button but only press it once if you don't want to risk
dialogs that won't close

 
Your thoughts appreciated


  
OK, I deleted the obsolete RRE.app as per Andre Garzia's advice; and am 
currently

trying to access your revlet at the above URL.

Have got the 'Finished stack download' to  which my comments re my earlier
Linux test-run are applicable.

At the top of the webpage it says "Test page for Swatchbuilder"

and the rest is a "nice, clean white" ; however, Safari has NOT frozen.

Sorry, no revlet.

It is possible that the word "issues" is used as crapulously here as 
elsewhere,
as a mimsy, liberal attempt to avoid saying something like "Total 
SNAFU".:)

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Documentation . . . again

[Richmond Mathewson]

Mark Schonewille wrote:

"When documentation changes with a new release of Revolution, I'd 
consider the old documentation to have become obsolete. "


and this is, generally true, especially where features have changed or 
new ones introduced that displace old ones.


So:

1.  Why is the documentation both patchy (in the sense that it is quite 
up-to-date in some areas, while hopelessly

 "out-of-it" in others)?

2.  The imagery and so forth in the Resource Center of revMedia 4 uses 
the OLD script editor?


Having been "at" Runtime Revolution for some 8 years now (God help me), 
I don't really care
as I have "made a separate peace" so to speak, found a modus operandi 
which conforms to

my personal motto:

"I'll muddle through"

which is charming in its own way, and OK for eccentric characters who 
mess about making

their, thin. living, in funny, marginal places like Bulgaria.

BUT, probably completely useless for folk who are fighting to make their 
living in the
fast-paced, cut-throat West (and, Hey, let's face it, I left that region 
because, frankly, I either
couldn't cope with it, or couldn't be bothered to put up with it; I'll 
leave you to work out which

of those, if not both is the truth).

The PDF documentation is much more up-to-date, and less patchy, but is 
not so IMMEDIATE

as the in-built documentation.

ALSO:

I don't care (as the proud owner of the latest incarnation of RunRev) 
whether feature X was
introduced in version 2.7, and I don't care if its way of working was 
changed in version 2.8.


What I do care about is that the documented examples work straight away.

To be bitchy (no, Richmond, surely not?), I uncovered, completely 
innocently, a documentation
error the other day of the simplest possible sort; but enough to 
cheese-off people sufficiently to

wonder what they are getting into:

"Thought I would try out some of the
tutorials before the kids got there first :)

so tried the Internet Images one:

on mouseUp
 set the filename of image 1 to http://www.runrev.com/images/logo.jpg
end mouseUp

a no-brainer (???)

and got this:

button "Button": compilation error at line 2 (Expression: bad factor) 
near "://", char 35


and the line of code was copied exactly from the tutorial . . . Hmm. "

because the line of code should be:

 set the filename of image 1 to "http://www.runrev.com/images/logo.jpg";

BAD VIBES BABY!




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Re: [OT] Epic fail software testing

[François Chaplais]

Le 24 juil. 09 à 18:19, SparkOut a écrit :




Sarah Reichelt-2 wrote:



So - we do all test our apps? Right?
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It's not the only example of software problems with "extreme value  
systems":

http://www.savive.com/casestudy/ariane5.html
(I remember vividly because in the months prior to the launch I had  
made a

"day trip" from the UK to Florida with a part of the payload as hand
luggage. It was to be integrated into a system in Cape Canaveral,  
and then

rebuilt into a satellite for launch from French Guiana.)
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from what I heard from somebody who is really close to what happened  
in flight 501, the problem what actually diluted responsibility.  
Aerospatiale was the industrial project supervisor, but the final  
implementation of the GNC (guidance, navigation, control) into the  
actual hardware was subcontracted to another company. It seems that  
this company made the error at this stage, however it was the  
responsibility of the supervisor to make sure that things were done  
right. Doing a full check would have  probably implied some meddling  
with the contractor's intellectual and industrial property.
This potentially can happen in any collaboration, especially between  
competitors.


cheers
François
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Re: [OT] Epic fail software testing

[SparkOut]

Sarah Reichelt-2 wrote:
> 
> 
> So - we do all test our apps? Right?
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It's not the only example of software problems with "extreme value systems": 
http://www.savive.com/casestudy/ariane5.html 
(I remember vividly because in the months prior to the launch I had made a
"day trip" from the UK to Florida with a part of the payload as hand
luggage. It was to be integrated into a system in Cape Canaveral, and then
rebuilt into a satellite for launch from French Guiana.)
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Re: Revlet behaving badly in Safari

[Richmond Mathewson]

Andre Garzia wrote:

Folks,

RRE.app is Runtime Revolution Environment, aka, the web plugin. RRE
probably mean you have an Alpha version of the plugin, the ones that
were seeded to conference going pioneers. If this is so, then, trying
to load a revLet will render the browser unresponsive. The file format
changed I think, the .revlet files are different from that the alpha
plugin loaded.

The dialog appearing behind the browser is a bug that RunRev is aware
of and trying to fix.

cheers
andre

  
Yup, you are right (as usual); now my only problem is to locate RRE.app 
so that I can delete it.   :)

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Re: Revlet behaving badly in Safari

[Andre Garzia]

Folks,

RRE.app is Runtime Revolution Environment, aka, the web plugin. RRE
probably mean you have an Alpha version of the plugin, the ones that
were seeded to conference going pioneers. If this is so, then, trying
to load a revLet will render the browser unresponsive. The file format
changed I think, the .revlet files are different from that the alpha
plugin loaded.

The dialog appearing behind the browser is a bug that RunRev is aware
of and trying to fix.

cheers
andre

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Richmond
Mathewson wrote:
> Kevin Stallibrass wrote:
>>
>> I have a small (test) revlet that gets a folder path using the standard
>> answer folder statement. The app works fine as a standalone on both Win
>> XP/Vista and OSX 10.5.7
>> However, building the app as a revlet gives me a problem with OSX 10.5.7
>> and
>> Safari in that when the answer folder script is run, the correct dialog
>> appears BEHIND the safari browser. Each time the code is run, another
>> dialog
>> appears, again behind the Safari window. The last of these dialogs can be
>> closed but there is no way I can get rid of the earlier ones without
>> restarting. Exactly the same thing happen with any command that causes an
>> OS
>> window to appear including when using   do "something"as Applescript  so
>>  I
>> presume this must a global thing that I'm missing
>>
>> There are no issues with the revlet running on XP/Vista with IE
>>
>>
>> If you care to look, http://www.roberthorneprofiles.co.uk/apps/test.html
>>  -
>> try the 'Set' button but only press it once if you don't want to risk
>> dialogs that won't close
>>
>>
>> Your thoughts appreciated
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Kevin Stallibrass
>>
>> Colour Management Specialist
>>
>>
>
> 'Thoughts" . . . Humpf!  On my G4 Mac as soon as I go to a page
> with a revlet I see the mysterious RRE.app pop up in my Dock;
>
> I say 'mysterious' because it appeared before I had downloaded
> the web plug-in.
>
> Safari then "stops responding" and has to be Forced to Quit.
>
> Now, what is interesting is that on going to your webpage with
> Firefox (still on the Mac; reaching across to turn on the Linux
> box as I write) the mysterious RRE.app doesn't launch, but
> Firefox still "plays silly buggers" and has to be forced to quit.
>
> 
> Hey-Ho, so much for Mac, let's have a go with Linux:
>
> I have a Pentium 4  1Ghz 512MB RAM 'thing' that runs
> Ubuntu 8.04.3 LTS . . . frankly I'm a little in love with it as,
> normally, it functions extremely smoothly.
>
> Ooooh . . . asks me for the revWeb plugin . . .here goes:
>
> right, installed the plugin, restarting Firefox:
>
> Umm . . . 'Authorisation Required'. . .  That could be a bit of a 'turn-off'
> as it might make people think of viruses and trojans.
>
> Clicked 'Once'
>
> 'Finished stack download' - really? where did it download the stack? do I
> want
> stacks downloaded to my hard disk when I have absolutely no information in
> advance about what they are going to get up to?
>
> And the thing doesn't work" just a big, grey rectangle.
>
> 
>
> Sorry about the 'poisonous' comments; but I do wonder slightly about some
> aspects of the above.
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Re: RevMedia Crashed

[Andre Garzia]

Tanya,

Hello There, welcome! Can you tell us what Operating System you're using?

Cheers
andre

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:50 AM, tanya
hosford wrote:
> just bough RevMedia, and it started to freeze when trying to write in
> scripts. the only way out was to shut down the computer.
> so i uninstalled it, and have tried to re install it, but it wont re
> install. what can i do???
> how do i fix this ??
> cheers
> tanya
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Re: RevWeb and iPhone Safari

[Andre Garzia]

yes it would, and the rejection is random in this case. Also if you
run your own browser, your app is now tagged 18+

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Ian Wood wrote:
>
> On 24 Jul 2009, at 13:02, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>> RunRev 'could' write a player App that loaded revLets in a webView window
>> from a URL within the app for other developers to use.
>
> Wouldn't that run afoul of the "no interpreted code" clause in the iPhone
> SDK?
>
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Re: RevWeb and iPhone Safari

[Ian Wood]

On 24 Jul 2009, at 13:02, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

RunRev 'could' write a player App that loaded revLets in a webView  
window from a URL within the app for other developers to use.


Wouldn't that run afoul of the "no interpreted code" clause in the  
iPhone SDK?


Ian
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[Q] drag and drop with data grids

[Shao Sean]

anyone have any tips to getting a data grid to accept drops?

i have the drag portion working, but am unable to get the other data  
grid to accept the drop.. in the message watcher the "dragDrop"  
message is not firing but the "dragEnd" message is.. i noticed in the  
data grid library stack there is something related to drag and drop  
but do not think it is linked into the actual code (dgDragDrop and  
dgDataEnd are not firing)..

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Re: RevWeb and iPhone Safari

[Thomas McGrath III]

On the iPhone an application can be built as if it were a plugin with  
its own webView. This would not make the plugin available to iPhone  
Safari but would make it available to the app it was built in within  
its own sandbox.


RunRev 'could' write a player App that loaded revLets in a webView  
window from a URL within the app for other developers to use. It could  
also be used as a branding opportunity complete with 'free' sample  
revLets and allowing developers to load their own revLets.


Tom

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgr...@comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html


On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:59 PM, George C Brackett wrote:

lt is possible to install plugins on the iPhone Safari, but it  
requires 'jail-breaking' the phone and voiding all warranties.


George

On Jul 23, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Shao Sean wrote:

apple does not allow any plugins to run on the iphone
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Re: Revlet behaving badly in Safari

[Richmond Mathewson]

Kevin Stallibrass wrote:

I have a small (test) revlet that gets a folder path using the standard
answer folder statement. The app works fine as a standalone on both Win
XP/Vista and OSX 10.5.7 


However, building the app as a revlet gives me a problem with OSX 10.5.7 and
Safari in that when the answer folder script is run, the correct dialog
appears BEHIND the safari browser. Each time the code is run, another dialog
appears, again behind the Safari window. The last of these dialogs can be
closed but there is no way I can get rid of the earlier ones without
restarting. Exactly the same thing happen with any command that causes an OS
window to appear including when using   do "something"as Applescript  so  I
presume this must a global thing that I'm missing

There are no issues with the revlet running on XP/Vista with IE


If you care to look, http://www.roberthorneprofiles.co.uk/apps/test.html  -
try the 'Set' button but only press it once if you don't want to risk
dialogs that won't close


Your thoughts appreciated


Thanks

Kevin Stallibrass

Colour Management Specialist

 
  

'Thoughts" . . . Humpf!  On my G4 Mac as soon as I go to a page
with a revlet I see the mysterious RRE.app pop up in my Dock;

I say 'mysterious' because it appeared before I had downloaded
the web plug-in.

Safari then "stops responding" and has to be Forced to Quit.

Now, what is interesting is that on going to your webpage with
Firefox (still on the Mac; reaching across to turn on the Linux
box as I write) the mysterious RRE.app doesn't launch, but
Firefox still "plays silly buggers" and has to be forced to quit.


Hey-Ho, so much for Mac, let's have a go with Linux:

I have a Pentium 4  1Ghz 512MB RAM 'thing' that runs
Ubuntu 8.04.3 LTS . . . frankly I'm a little in love with it as,
normally, it functions extremely smoothly.

Ooooh . . . asks me for the revWeb plugin . . .here goes:

right, installed the plugin, restarting Firefox:

Umm . . . 'Authorisation Required'. . .  That could be a bit of a 'turn-off'
as it might make people think of viruses and trojans.

Clicked 'Once'

'Finished stack download' - really? where did it download the stack? do 
I want

stacks downloaded to my hard disk when I have absolutely no information in
advance about what they are going to get up to?

And the thing doesn't work" just a big, grey rectangle.



Sorry about the 'poisonous' comments; but I do wonder slightly about some
aspects of the above.
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LaTeX fluency

[François Chaplais]

I am partly on vacation and have some time to work on my dictionary  
stack. In particular, it allows to define  collections of dictionary  
entries, typically based on searching for terms and then eliminating  
some of the items in the result. For instance, the collection I am  
investigating is devoted to XML.
 I am currently writing a routine to export any of these dictionary  
entry collection to a LaTeX file, which can be typeset to product a  
pdf file.

This being said, my question is the following:
do you have an (even minimal) experience of LaTeX?
If so, would you be interested in links within the pdf output  
(typically cross references)?


Best regards  from Paris
François

P.S. on my mac, the typesetting can be done from the shell, so you do  
not have to launch a GUI application if you want to batch process this.

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Revlet behaving badly in Safari

[Kevin Stallibrass]

I have a small (test) revlet that gets a folder path using the standard
answer folder statement. The app works fine as a standalone on both Win
XP/Vista and OSX 10.5.7 

However, building the app as a revlet gives me a problem with OSX 10.5.7 and
Safari in that when the answer folder script is run, the correct dialog
appears BEHIND the safari browser. Each time the code is run, another dialog
appears, again behind the Safari window. The last of these dialogs can be
closed but there is no way I can get rid of the earlier ones without
restarting. Exactly the same thing happen with any command that causes an OS
window to appear including when using   do "something"as Applescript  so  I
presume this must a global thing that I'm missing

There are no issues with the revlet running on XP/Vista with IE

 

If you care to look, http://www.roberthorneprofiles.co.uk/apps/test.html  -
try the 'Set' button but only press it once if you don't want to risk
dialogs that won't close

 

Your thoughts appreciated

 

Thanks

Kevin Stallibrass

Colour Management Specialist

 

Paperlinx Digital Solutions

 

 

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Re: RevMedia Crashed

[Richmond Mathewson]

tanya hosford wrote:

just bough RevMedia, and it started to freeze when trying to write in
scripts. the only way out was to shut down the computer.
so i uninstalled it, and have tried to re install it, but it wont re
install. what can i do???
how do i fix this ??
cheers
tanya
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I don't quite know what you mean by "bought" as the new version of 
revMedia is FREE>


As it is an Alpha version you should expect it to play all sorts of 
funny tricks with your

computer. But as revMedia is FREE that is the price you have to pay.   :)

-

1.  What Operating system does your computer use?

2.  What typeof computer do you have?

3. What are its processor specifications?

4. How much RAM do you have installed?

Until you have answered thse questions nobody is going to be able to 
help you much.


I, for one, have just had a lot of 'fun' running revMedia 4a on a Pentium
III, 600 MHz, 256 MB RAM, Ubuntu 8.04 LTS with it drawing all sorts of
(actually quite artistic and interesting) artifacts all over the monitor;
also froze once, took 2 minutes to load the script editor, and so on.

So of you are trying "to squeeze a quart into a pint pot" like me,
expect the worst.
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RevMedia Crashed

[tanya hosford]

just bough RevMedia, and it started to freeze when trying to write in
scripts. the only way out was to shut down the computer.
so i uninstalled it, and have tried to re install it, but it wont re
install. what can i do???
how do i fix this ??
cheers
tanya
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Re: Bulgaria

[Richmond Mathewson]

Peter Alcibiades wrote:
One does hope the Bulgarians appreciate what Richmond is doing.  Its really 
impressive, how to do wonders in educational terms on an absolute shoe 
string.  Well, whether or not the Bulgarians as a whole do, the children 
and their parents certainly will look back later and realize how lucky they 
were.


The slightly sad part is that it would be impossible to do anything similar 
in the UK, regulation, and the time constraints of the state curriculum 
would never allow it.  Its become a country where IT education means being 
taught by barely literate teachers how to use social media and little bits 
of MS Office  
  
I do my "stuff" in a tiny little room in my cellar - and 'reach' a 
handful of kids.


The Bulgarian curriculum re computers consists of:

WINDOWS ONLY (including a section where other operating systems are 
disparaged);


Primary School:

Web-Browsing
Using MS Word
Using MS Excel

Secondary School:

More of the above
programming in PASCAL

Personally I believe that 90% of EFl teachers and "IT" teachers here in 
Bulgaria
should be taken out and shot (or, if one feels soft and humane, perhaps 
given jobs
such as cleaning school toilets). In both cases they know little or 
nothing about their
subjects (the vast majority of Primary School EFL teachers cannot 
sustain 2 sentences

in English) and successfully turn off 99% of their pupils.

But Richmond's stuff is really inspirational.
  

But, as my wife points out; it's my job to teach EFL, and parents
would have every right to object on my spending time on programming.

As usual the whole IT thing revolves around vested interests.

The last 2 governments have been "in bed" with Microsoft; leading children
to suppose that any OS or program that is not a Microsoft product is in
some way useless.

The new government doesn't look as though much will change (well, if
you consider exchanging ex-Commies for ex-Mafia as an improvement, this
might well be the place for you).

Good EFL teaching as well as good IT teaching presupposes highly trained
and motivated teachers, as well as, in the case of IT, something other than
tatty old computers full to the brim with viruses and rubbish installed 
on them

by kids.

These come with MONEY and WILL. Neither of which are forthcoming in 
Bulgaria.

-
Something that is absolutely hilarious is that, here in Plovdiv, we have 
an extremely
good technical University, where all those who are studying IT, study 
UNIX and
LINUX, and then , on qualifying, have to work with Windows.  One of them 
came

round to see my school and couldn't quite believe what he saw - not because
using Linux is rocket science, but that my setup was such an OBVIOUS 
solution

to a problem.  Mind you, come to Bulgaria, and try to find anybody who knows
what common sense is or walking in a straight line.


To a lesser extent the same thing goes on in Britain. 5 years ago, in 
Scotland, I saw

a Primary School IT room containing 25 Pentium IIIs, of which:-

10 didn't work (i.e. didn't boot),

10 kept crashing for unknown reasons,

5 worked - with Paint and Word and a few Dorling Kindersley CDs that 
(owing to the
illegality of making backups of CDs) were ruined from kids' sticky 
finger marks.


These machines had Windows 98, XP and 2000 installed.

There potential was entirely wasted, both because of the above, and that 
there was no
proper IT teacher, and teachers had no incentive to improve their 
knowledge of the

capabilities of these machines.

It would have taken a week's work, at most, to have installed something 
such as Edubuntu:


http://edubuntu.org/

and RunRev :)  and the machines would have run like hot knives through 
butter.


Couple that with a properly trained IT teacher on a half-way decent 
salary (teachers'

salaries are another of the bees in my bonnet).

Peter
  

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Re: [weblet] How can a webLet communicate with the hosting html page?

[Sarah Reichelt]

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:55 PM, splash21 wrote:
> I'll try to get some time today to update my download page, but here are the
> relevant snippets...
> ( COOKIES[SESVAR] is just my session variable )
>
>
> In the revlet HTML (view page source to see the whole block);
>
>  
> .
> .
>                src="revletTest.revlet"
>               width=800 height=200
>               stack="test"
>               requestedName=""
>               instanceID=""
>               session=""
>>
>
>
>
> In the revlet;
> on openStack
>   put the revletParams["session"] of this stack into sSession
>   .
>   .
>
>
> HTH  :)


It does indeed. Thanks you very much. I had tried something similar,
but hadn't thought to try the revletParams as a array.

Cheers,
Sarah
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revert not working

[Thierry]

Hi all,

I'm experiencing the revert command not working.

encapsulating it inside a try - catch err doesn't fire up any
errors

Mac os x Tiger / Rev 3.0

the interesting thing is my script works the first time,
and not later on.

Any clue or hint what could block the revert command ?

Regards,
Thierry

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Re: Future Trends For Media Delivery - Where will RunRev Be?

[Peter Alcibiades]

unless the trend reverses itself there may come a point where
> even free systems which are sole-source proprietary technologies will
> eventually be struggling.
Yes, agreed.  In fact, agreed with much of this interesting post.  

The driver is going to be the risk of having orphaned data.  It can be data
that you have produced in an app, which is stored in binary and proprietary
formats.  Or it can be stored in open format, but where the nature of the
presentation is done in such a way that without the proprietary app you
cannot use it.  

Rev has both risks (like most proprietary products).  If for instance you
have stored significant amounts of material in custom properties, they are
basically locked away as far as a user's other applications are concerned. 
If you've stored them in something totally transparent, like external csv
files, still and all, their usability is limited without the app itself,
which remains proprietary, with the language itself, which has only one
source.

Lots of times short term this seems to be in the interest of the developer
or supplier of the package.  But if you ever find yourself supplying
something with your own mortality moving to the front of your mind, these
questions will be a bit troubling.  It forces you into the position of the
buyer who asks 'and what happens if you have a heart attack?  Or if
Edinburgh vanishes under the waves one day?'

I'm not sure that true open source going to be essential, its one way of
meeting the issue.  But it does seem likely that the issue of access to, and
use of, content which a user has generated, independently of what generated
it, is going to be increasingly important in the medium term, and its a
large part of the pressure to FOSS.

By the way, I've just now given up on Gnome in disgust, which I do every so
often, and gone to Fluxbox, so am pleased to see a slightly more chastened
attitude in the post toward the Gnome HIG fascism!  Only kidding!
-- 
View this message in context: 
http://www.nabble.com/Future-Trends-For-Media-Delivery---Where-will-RunRev-Be--tp24619625p24640524.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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Bulgaria

[Peter Alcibiades]

One does hope the Bulgarians appreciate what Richmond is doing.  Its really 
impressive, how to do wonders in educational terms on an absolute shoe 
string.  Well, whether or not the Bulgarians as a whole do, the children 
and their parents certainly will look back later and realize how lucky they 
were.

The slightly sad part is that it would be impossible to do anything similar 
in the UK, regulation, and the time constraints of the state curriculum 
would never allow it.  Its become a country where IT education means being 
taught by barely literate teachers how to use social media and little bits 
of MS Office  

But Richmond's stuff is really inspirational.

Peter


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Re: enSharpen codec

[Richmond Mathewson]

The instructional videos may be viewed on Linux
with the following installed:

Kaffeine

quicktime-utils

maybe this information should be added to:

http://runrev.com/support/faq/video-support/
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Re: Website not allowing revlets

[Brian Yennie]

One option if you just want "cheap" file hosting of any file type is  
Amazon S3. It's not free and you won't be able to run any server side  
scripts, but you can't beat the pay-as-you-go pricing. If you just  
want a couple gigabytes of storage and a a couple gigabytes of  
bandwidth every month, it would run you less than 50 cents:


http://aws.amazon.com/s3/#pricing

There are a fair number of FTP clients and a FireFox plugin for  
managing your files, and you can always delete them and move on if you  
want.


As an example, I've been hosting all of the files for SifakaWorld.com  
on S3 for about $150 / month, and we're doing somewhere around  
15,000,000 requests and creeping up on 1TB of downloads every month  
(ballpark figures).


FWIW. There are of course a zillion hosting options out there, and  
this is purely file storage. But it's damn handy!



stephen barncard wrote:

How many hosting services are going to behave in the same way?




only the cheesiest. I have never heard of a hosting service do such  
a thing.

What if one were creating their own file type?

I tried uploading a file;  Gorgonzola.cheese  and it didn't accept  
that either.  :)


What I have done, constructively, is send a request to  
permit .revlet files

to the hosting service.

---
May be the first thing everybody ought to do today, after brushing  
their teeth,
is see whether their hosting service goes "Moo" when a revlet is  
uploaded.


"only the cheesiest" might be an underestimation.
---

Prior to "landing" at my current hosting service I worked my way  
through a whole

slew of providers; some who permitted JPG, GIF and PNG files ONLY!

Now, I am at the cheap (as in 'FREE') end of the spectrum; what is  
unclear to me
is how a hosting service profits by restricting the types of files  
it can host; especially,
as in the case of my service, where paying for an upgrade merely  
gives one more
storage space, but no other possibilitis (i.e. no restriction on  
file types).

-
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/7/23 Richmond Mathewson 



I made a test stack and built a web revlet: the html
page ran extremely smoothly in Safari when it was on
my Hard drive.

When I uploaded the html page and the revlet to my
website, the revlet vanished because the web hoster would
not allow files of that type . . . something that needs to be
investigated.

How many hosting services are going to behave in the same way?

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Re: enSharpen codec

[Richmond Mathewson]

I wrote:


2.  Is there any way to save the videos to disk?

And didn't wait for an answer.

On a Macintosh you can find these at:

/Documents/My Revolution Media/Resources/Resources

[ I don't know why, but 'My Revolution Media' sounds almost as
revolting as 'My Computer'; sorry, I'm a bit of a snob.]

On Ubuntu (unless you feel groovy about semi-translucent blue
video players) it is hopeless:

/My Revolution media/Resources/Video Tutorials

I intend to convert them to some other video codec so I can
start using Perian again.

--
Dear Runtime Revolution can I, Please can I have permission to
re-encode the instructional videos to something "Linuxy"
and a place to upload them back with you

And if that is asking too much, can you do it?
--
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Re: Website not allowing revlets

[Jim Ault]

On Jul 24, 2009, at 12:44 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


stephen barncard wrote:

How many hosting services are going to behave in the same way?

only the cheesiest. I have never heard of a hosting service do such  
a thing.

What if one were creating their own file type?

I tried uploading a file;  Gorgonzola.cheese  and it didn't accept  
that either.  :)


What I have done, constructively, is send a request to  
permit .revlet files

to the hosting service.



I can see Limburger being rejected, but not lovely Gorgonzola.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas
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Re: enSharpen codec

[Richmond Mathewson]

Heather Nagey wrote:
Its a conflict with Perian. Turn off Perian in Quicktime and all 
should be well again.


This has even made it into the faqs now, in support:

http://runrev.com/support/faq/video-support/

Regards,

Heather

On Jul 24, 2009, at 6:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


1.  I installed the enSharpen video codec on my G4 PPC
and the videos that are downloaded through the
Resource Center are still GREEN.


Heather Nagey

Aha; so that's what you look like:

http://runrev.com/support/faq/video-support/:)

Thank so much for the advice.
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Re: Website not allowing revlets

[Richmond Mathewson]

stephen barncard wrote:

How many hosting services are going to behave in the same way?




only the cheesiest. I have never heard of a hosting service do such a thing.
What if one were creating their own file type?
  
I tried uploading a file;  Gorgonzola.cheese  and it didn't accept that 
either.  :)


What I have done, constructively, is send a request to permit .revlet files
to the hosting service.

---
May be the first thing everybody ought to do today, after brushing their 
teeth,

is see whether their hosting service goes "Moo" when a revlet is uploaded.

"only the cheesiest" might be an underestimation.
---

Prior to "landing" at my current hosting service I worked my way through 
a whole

slew of providers; some who permitted JPG, GIF and PNG files ONLY!

Now, I am at the cheap (as in 'FREE') end of the spectrum; what is 
unclear to me
is how a hosting service profits by restricting the types of files it 
can host; especially,
as in the case of my service, where paying for an upgrade merely gives 
one more
storage space, but no other possibilitis (i.e. no restriction on file 
types).

-
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/7/23 Richmond Mathewson 

  

I made a test stack and built a web revlet: the html
page ran extremely smoothly in Safari when it was on
my Hard drive.

When I uploaded the html page and the revlet to my
website, the revlet vanished because the web hoster would
not allow files of that type . . . something that needs to be
investigated.

How many hosting services are going to behave in the same way?
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Re: enSharpen codec

[Heather Nagey]

Its a conflict with Perian. Turn off Perian in Quicktime and all  
should be well again.


This has even made it into the faqs now, in support:

http://runrev.com/support/faq/video-support/

Regards,

Heather

On Jul 24, 2009, at 6:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


1.  I installed the enSharpen video codec on my G4 PPC
and the videos that are downloaded through the
Resource Center are still GREEN.

2.  Is there any way to save the videos to disk?
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Heather Nagey
Customer Services Manager
Runtime Revolution Ltd
www.runrev.com



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Re: Website not allowing revlets

[stephen barncard]

>
> How many hosting services are going to behave in the same way?


only the cheesiest. I have never heard of a hosting service do such a thing.
What if one were creating their own file type?

-
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/7/23 Richmond Mathewson 

> I made a test stack and built a web revlet: the html
> page ran extremely smoothly in Safari when it was on
> my Hard drive.
>
> When I uploaded the html page and the revlet to my
> website, the revlet vanished because the web hoster would
> not allow files of that type . . . something that needs to be
> investigated.
>
> How many hosting services are going to behave in the same way?
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Re: enSharpen codec

[Mark Wieder]

Richmond-

Thursday, July 23, 2009, 11:55:07 PM, you wrote:

> If one considers that revMedia 4a IS an Alpha release one
> shouldn't get too fussed by this; if, however, the goodies are
> not Alphas, but stuff left there from 3.5 or 3.0 then it is all a
> bit embarrassing.

Sorry, I didn't realize you were looking at 4.0 for this. I did this
with 3.5gm2.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwie...@ahsoftware.net

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Re: See us on MacWorld and Macnn

[Curry Kenworthy]

> The second article kept referring to the product as "Revolution" -
> a very bad thing. Let me be my usual blunt self: this product can
> not be taken seriously with the name "Revolution"!

I have to say that I've always liked the name "Revolution." It's unique. I
always verbally and mentally call the product "Revolution." I search the
web for "runrev" because that's the easiest way that returns relevant
results, and also use "RunRev" as an abbreviation for the company in
writing. I abbreviate the product as "Rev" when writing it down
repeatedly, such as in an e-mail.

For me, these are simply different variations adapted for different uses;
searching for "runrev" or writing about "Rev" doesn't mean I don't like
"Revolution." So I don't see anything wrong with using either "Revolution"
or "RunRev." Then again, I'm not swayed much by social trends. I just like
what I like. If using one term over another increases revenue then so be
it.

Anyway, congrats Heather and Rev team on the press coverage!

Curry
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