More about hex and printing and gdi printers...

2009-12-14 Thread Peter Alcibiades
Well, thank you all for your help, and yes, it is licked, the hex that is!

What to do is, get a hex editor, I used ghex but there seem to be a huge 
number out there.  Then you just insert the hex characters into a text 
file.  ghex is very convenient because you can either type them in as hex 
or as ascii in the two panes, and it then shows what you have done in the 
other.  Maybe they all do this, ghex is the only one I've ever used.

Then to control the printer with this, you just do

put shell(cat yourfile  printer)

And lo and behold, the paper cutter instantly snips the paper!  The cash 
drawer is certain to open as well now that the method is figured out.  It 
is actually so simple to do, once you know how.  Like many things.

Peter
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Re: Newbie Data Grid question

2009-12-14 Thread Andre.Bisseret


Le 13 déc. 09 à 22:10, James Hurley a écrit :


Bonjour,


Le 13 déc. 09 à 19:53, James Hurley a écrit :

 I am just getting into data grid fields and can't find first base.

 I can't find anything on data grids  in the Dictionary. Is this
 coming?

You could download the manual at :
http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/7309-How-Do-I-Populate-a-Data-Grid-With-Data-

 Following the tutorial I tried the following:

 put field data into tData
 --This is a tab delimited text field with the first line being the
 column names
 put true into pFirstLineContainsHeaders

try set the pFirstLineContainsHeaders to true

 set the dgText [ pFirstLineContainsHeaders ] of group DataGrid 2
 to tData

 This does nothing.

In the chapter How do I populate a data grid with Data ?
one found this :
Note that if pFirstLineContainsHeaders is true then the columns must
already exist in your data grid
table in order to be displayed.
Does your columns already exist ?


Thanks Andre,

Yes the columns already exist.

If I set pFirstLineContainsHeaders to false, the field is populated  
with data but the columns are set to Col 1, Col 2 etc.


If I then set set pFirstLineContainsHeaders to true (with the  
columns already set to Col 1, Col 2, etc.) the columns remain  
unchanged but the body of the text is empty.


I did download the Manual. That is where I got this information  
from. Very perverse.



Jim Hurley


Bonjour Jim,

Your are right ; I just made a new stack with a data grid dGrid and  
a field source

created the columns manually in the inspector (col 1, col 2 etc)
In the field, the first tab delimited line includes the names for the  
columns.


Then

   set the pFirstLineContainsHeaders of grp dGrid to true -- or,  
yes,  put true into pFirstLineContainsHeaders as well

   put fld source into tData
   set the dgText [pFirstLineContainsHeaders] of group Dgrid to  
tData


does not work as expected : the columns names keep being Col 1, Col 2  
etc

and the first line of tData keeps being the first line of Dgrid :-((


Did not notice that before, as up to now, I did not use  
pFirstLineContainsHeaders, I manually create the columns names and  
labels (an habit from the beginning of the dataGrid I guess!!)


Sorry, I don't know what we are missing! Sure Trevor will help  
soon ;-)))


Best regards from Grenoble
André














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Re: Newbie Data Grid question

2009-12-14 Thread Andre.Bisseret

Bonjour (again :-) Jim,
Waiting for an answer from Trevor about the mystery of  
pFirstLineContainsHeaders ;-))

the following is a possible substitute :

  put name  cr  color  cr  shape into myHeaders
   set the dgProp[columns] of grp Dgrid to myHeaders -- set the  
column names
##or  set the dgProp[column labels] of group DGrid to myHeaders --  
set he column labels

   put fld source into tData
   set the dgText of group Dgrid to tData

Best regards from Grenoble

André

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New Data Tree Control

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Checkley
Hi Scott,

Thanks for the message on here. Whilst writing, I'd also like to thank the 
other contributors for their recent kind words about my library.

To answer your question directly, no you can't change the font size but you 
will in the future.

At the moment, Data Tree is designed to match the host operating system, be it 
Mac or Windows and won't currently let you deviate from this. However, I've 
currently got custom skin properties in the works and this feature will be 
included as part of a future update.

Until that is released, I don't mind making the odd custom build for little 
tweaks such as this. Paying customers only, mind! ;o)

Thanks,

Steve
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Re: Newbie Data Grid question

2009-12-14 Thread Trevor DeVore

On Dec 13, 2009, at 4:10 PM, James Hurley wrote:


Yes the columns already exist.

If I set pFirstLineContainsHeaders to false, the field is populated  
with data but the columns are set to Col 1, Col 2 etc.


If I then set set pFirstLineContainsHeaders to true (with the  
columns already set to Col 1, Col 2, etc.) the columns remain  
unchanged but the body of the text is empty.


The most likely cause is that you don't have a column labeled with  
Col 1 or Col 2 in the first line of the data. Therefore the data  
you are setting is not mapping to an existing column in the Data Grid.


Data Grid's do not behave like fields in that you can just swap text  
in and out randomly. You should be defining the columns (using the  
Property Inspector or by setting the dgData[columns] property) and  
then assigning data to the Data Grid that explicitly states which  
column data goes into.


The reason for this is that Data Grid columns are objects in and of  
themselves. They have properties that are set independently. If you  
want to wipe them all out at once then you first create the columns,  
set the column properties and then assign the data.


As a side note the fact that dgText automatically creates columns for  
you is unfortunate in my opinion. This behavior was requested so that  
someone could just set the text of the Data Grid and see instant  
results. While that may be beneficial for instant gratification I  
think it just causes more confusion then anything in the end.


The Data Grid isn't meant to be a quick and dirty means of displaying  
data but rather a means of displaying data with lots of control over  
the visual elements used to display that data.


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Re: Newbie Data Grid question

2009-12-14 Thread Trevor DeVore

On Dec 14, 2009, at 5:11 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:
Your are right ; I just made a new stack with a data grid dGrid  
and a field source

created the columns manually in the inspector (col 1, col 2 etc)
In the field, the first tab delimited line includes the names for  
the columns.


Then

  set the pFirstLineContainsHeaders of grp dGrid to true -- or,  
yes,  put true into pFirstLineContainsHeaders as well

  put fld source into tData
  set the dgText [pFirstLineContainsHeaders] of group Dgrid to  
tData


does not work as expected : the columns names keep being Col 1, Col  
2 etc

and the first line of tData keeps being the first line of Dgrid :-((


The syntax isn't correct in this example. It should be:

set the dgText[true] of group Dgrid to tData

I just tested to verify that using the correct syntax does work - and  
it does :-)


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Re: driven mad by the message box!

2009-12-14 Thread william humphrey
He must be running Linux.
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Re: Newbie Data Grid question

2009-12-14 Thread Andre.Bisseret

Bonjour Trevor,


Le 14 déc. 09 à 15:02, Trevor DeVore a écrit :


On Dec 14, 2009, at 5:11 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:
Your are right ; I just made a new stack with a data grid dGrid  
and a field source

created the columns manually in the inspector (col 1, col 2 etc)
In the field, the first tab delimited line includes the names for  
the columns.


Then

 set the pFirstLineContainsHeaders of grp dGrid to true -- or,  
yes,  put true into pFirstLineContainsHeaders as well

 put fld source into tData
 set the dgText [pFirstLineContainsHeaders] of group Dgrid to  
tData


does not work as expected : the columns names keep being Col 1,  
Col 2 etc

and the first line of tData keeps being the first line of Dgrid :-((


The syntax isn't correct in this example. It should be:

set the dgText[true] of group Dgrid to tData


I just tested to verify that using the correct syntax does work -  
and it does :-)



 I just tried this syntax but without success!
Here,
---
set the pFirstLineContainsHeaders of grp Dgrid to true
put fld source into tData
set the dgText[pFirstLineContainsHeaders] of group Dgrid to tData
 is working
except that I don't get Col 1, Col 2 etc replaced by the first line of  
tData


I get the feeling that I am missing somethins else
In your previous post (answer to Jim) you said :
The most likely cause is that you don't have a column labeled with  
Col 1 or Col 2 in the first line of the data. Therefore the data  
you are setting is not mapping to an existing column in the Data Grid.
Does it mean that the first line of tData should be Col 1 tab Col 2  
etc
I tried that, and actually, the data grid is filled in but is keeping  
the generic names (Col 1, Col 2 etc)


But then what about this phrase in the doc :
… by passing in true for pFirstLineContainsHeaders. If true then the
data grid will extract the first line of pText and use the values for  
the internal key/column names …


I thought it was meaning that In tData I had to put in the first line,  
the names that I would like instead of Col 1, Col 2 etc.


Up to now, I dont use pFirstLineContainsHeaders ; I set first the  
dgData[columns] and dgData[column labels].
But always happy to better understand about Data Grid (here about how  
this pFirstLineContainsHeaders works; seems I am making a bad  
interpretation of the manual.


Thanks Trevor for your always helping advices; I keep appreciating  
Data Grid a lot; in a couple of app. I have several ones which are  
running very nicely  :-))


Best regards from Grenoble

André








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Re: Newbie Data Grid question

2009-12-14 Thread Trevor DeVore

On Dec 14, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:


The syntax isn't correct in this example. It should be:

set the dgText[true] of group Dgrid to tData


I just tested to verify that using the correct syntax does work -  
and it does :-)



I just tried this syntax but without success!
Here,
---
set the pFirstLineContainsHeaders of grp Dgrid to true


pFirstLineContainsHeaders isn't a property in and of itself. It is a  
parameter you pass in when setting the dgText property. Try this:


put true into pFirstLineContainsHeaders
set the dgText[pFirstLineContainsHeaders] of group Dgrid to tData

Thanks Trevor for your always helping advices; I keep appreciating  
Data Grid a lot; in a couple of app. I have several ones which are  
running very nicely  :-))


I'm glad you find it useful.

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Re: Plugins folder

2009-12-14 Thread Mark Wieder
stephen-

Sunday, December 13, 2009, 5:50:33 PM, you wrote:

 Thanks all, for the info.

 Yes, being 'invisible' seems to place it in a special, possibly superior
 place in the *message path* - where does it live in the hierarchy? Since the
 plug stack exists in a different folder what is the file address path it
 need to use? Absolute only? Plugin folder POV?Plugins seem to be able to
 do some things better than just a loaded stack in the IDE.

Plugin stacks aren't in the message hierarchy unless you explictly
place them there. And then it's up to you if you want to set up front
and/or backscripts or just launch the plugin as a stack.

If you need to get the file path from the plugin you can

 get the long name of this stack

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Re: Newbie Data Grid question

2009-12-14 Thread James Hurley


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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:58:13 -0500
From: Trevor DeVore li...@mangomultimedia.com
Subject: Re: Newbie Data Grid question
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On Dec 13, 2009, at 4:10 PM, James Hurley wrote:


Yes the columns already exist.

If I set pFirstLineContainsHeaders to false, the field is populated
with data but the columns are set to Col 1, Col 2 etc.

If I then set set pFirstLineContainsHeaders to true (with the
columns already set to Col 1, Col 2, etc.) the columns remain
unchanged but the body of the text is empty.


The most likely cause is that you don't have a column labeled with
Col 1 or Col 2 in the first line of the data. Therefore the data
you are setting is not mapping to an existing column in the Data Grid.

Data Grid's do not behave like fields in that you can just swap text
in and out randomly. You should be defining the columns (using the
Property Inspector or by setting the dgData[columns] property) and
then assigning data to the Data Grid that explicitly states which
column data goes into.

The reason for this is that Data Grid columns are objects in and of
themselves. They have properties that are set independently. If you
want to wipe them all out at once then you first create the columns,
set the column properties and then assign the data.

As a side note the fact that dgText automatically creates columns for
you is unfortunate in my opinion. This behavior was requested so that
someone could just set the text of the Data Grid and see instant
results. While that may be beneficial for instant gratification I
think it just causes more confusion then anything in the end.

The Data Grid isn't meant to be a quick and dirty means of displaying
data but rather a means of displaying data with lots of control over
the visual elements used to display that data.

--  
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Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: 
http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


Trevor (and Andre.Bisseret),

Thanks you for the very thoughtful reply(s).

It is heartening to see something defended by its parent. My sincere  
apologies for treating your offspring in such a quick and dirty  
fashion :-)
I'm sure I will appreciate the richness  of this new Run Rev object in  
time--see below.


FIrst to satisfy my quick and dirty needs, I find that the following  
works well to get data displayed in a data grid field:


on mouseUp
   put field data into tData --Tab delimited text
   --The first line of tData contains the column names
   put line 1 of tData into tHeaders
   replace tab with cr in tHeaders
   set dgProp[Columns] of group DataGrid  to tHeaders --Thanks to  
Andre for this line.

   set the dgText [ true ] of group DataGrid to tData
end mouseUp

Now to reinforce your point about the richness of this more complex  
object:
In another context, I would like to be able to click on the first  
column header and have it sort the grid by the LAST word of each in  
the first column.
Is it possible to access (and modify)  the script that the column  
headers runs?


Thanks again for nursing us through the infancy of data grids.

Jim Hurley








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Re: Newbie Data Grid question

2009-12-14 Thread Trevor DeVore

On Dec 14, 2009, at 1:11 PM, James Hurley wrote:


It is heartening to see something defended by its parent. My sincere  
apologies for treating your offspring in such a quick and dirty  
fashion :-)


It's okay, the Data Grid likes to be beta up on once and a while :-)

The Data Grid is such a big departure from the other controls in  
Revolution that it can be tricky to get your head around it. The,  
shall we say, less than x-talk syntax you have to use doesn't help.


FIrst to satisfy my quick and dirty needs, I find that the following  
works well to get data displayed in a data grid field:


on mouseUp
  put field data into tData --Tab delimited text
  --The first line of tData contains the column names
  put line 1 of tData into tHeaders
  replace tab with cr in tHeaders
  set dgProp[Columns] of group DataGrid  to tHeaders --Thanks to  
Andre for this line.

  set the dgText [ true ] of group DataGrid to tData
end mouseUp


Yes, that is the way to approach it with a Data Grid. I should  
probably add that to a lesson somewhere...


Now to reinforce your point about the richness of this more complex  
object:
In another context, I would like to be able to click on the first  
column header and have it sort the grid by the LAST word of each in  
the first column.
Is it possible to access (and modify)  the script that the column  
headers runs?


Take a look at this lesson:

How Do I Customize or Disable Column Sorting?: http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/7330-How-Do-I-Customize-or-Disable-Column-Sorting- 




Thanks again for nursing us through the infancy of data grids.

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Re: driven mad by the message box!

2009-12-14 Thread Peter Alcibiades

Yes, its Debian. at the moment its Squeeze.  Haven't tried on anything else
yet.  It turns out to happen only in the IDE, but it happens with
development tools turned off and just about everything changed one way or
the other that I could think of.  But it was a great relief to finally
discover that when the app is launched from a little launching stack in the
usual way, it doesn't happen.  As long as the app will run properly from the
launcher it doesn't matter so much.  What is weird is, it never happened
before, but I don't recall whether in other uses of shell() I ever tried it
from the IDE.

These things are sent to make us into a better person. Not completely sure
they are succeeding.


william humphrey-2 wrote:
 
 He must be running Linux.
 

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RE: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE

2009-12-14 Thread Hugh Senior
stephen barncard wrote:

 It's also prettier than the MC IDE.

Jacqueline Landman Gay

 Anything is prettier than the MC IDE. The bottom of my parrot cage is
 prettier than the MC IDE. ;)

I use MC. After 10 years I'm kinda used to it. Pretty?  I have been known to
decorate the IDE with images of bikini-clad models, Bentleys, fine wine and
Belgian chocolates. The first keeps me young, the Bentley is an outstanding
ambition, the wine is an old friend, and the chocolates remind me of a
weekend once long, long ago with a rather nice young lady who... [censored
by wife].

So what would YOU choose and WHY?

/H

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Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE

2009-12-14 Thread J. Landman Gay

Hugh Senior wrote:

stephen barncard wrote:


It's also prettier than the MC IDE.


Jacqueline Landman Gay


Anything is prettier than the MC IDE. The bottom of my parrot cage is
prettier than the MC IDE. ;)


I use MC. After 10 years I'm kinda used to it. Pretty?  I have been known to
decorate the IDE with images of bikini-clad models, Bentleys, fine wine and
Belgian chocolates. The first keeps me young, the Bentley is an outstanding
ambition, the wine is an old friend, and the chocolates remind me of a
weekend once long, long ago with a rather nice young lady who... [censored
by wife].

So what would YOU choose and WHY?


LOL! I think I'd put the top part of my parrot cage on it, the part with 
the birds. :) To be honest though, MC's utility outweighs its appearance 
which I've learned to ignore. I keep telling myself that one of these 
days I'll just set the default text size and font to match Rev's so that 
I don't have to ignore the button text spacing any more -- but I never 
get around to it. I'm too used to how it looks.


At least you aren't putting any cheese on there...oops. Now I'll get 
censored.


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Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE

2009-12-14 Thread Dave Cragg

On 14 Dec 2009, at 01:55, J. Landman Gay wrote:
 Anything is prettier than the MC IDE. 

It used to be that way. At one time, it was a purist's dream. The rot set in 
about 1999 when the image icon was upgraded from something that looked like a 
wire pan scourer to something else. That blatant pandering to creative types 
was the thin end of the wedge. Within three years, even the splash screen was 
upgraded.

I blame the parents.

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Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE

2009-12-14 Thread J. Landman Gay

Dave Cragg wrote:

On 14 Dec 2009, at 01:55, J. Landman Gay wrote:

Anything is prettier than the MC IDE.


It used to be that way. At one time, it was a purist's dream. The rot
set in about 1999 when the image icon was upgraded from something
that looked like a wire pan scourer to something else. That blatant
pandering to creative types was the thin end of the wedge. Within
three years, even the splash screen was upgraded.

I blame the parents.


Blame Scott Rossi, he did it. Them artist types, you just can't please 'em.

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Re: New Data Tree Control

2009-12-14 Thread RunRevPlanet

Hi Steve,

To answer your question directly, no you can't change the font size
but you will in the future.

Until that is released, I don't mind making the odd custom build
for little tweaks such as this. Paying customers only, mind!

Fair enough! Just got a few more tests to do on it, and all going well 
will make that order.

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Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE

2009-12-14 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:

 That blatant
 pandering to creative types was the thin end of the wedge. Within
 three years, even the splash screen was upgraded.
 
 I blame the parents.
 
 Blame Scott Rossi, he did it. Them artist types, you just can't please 'em.

Keep it up, Landman Gay, and you'll find yourself facing the wrong end of an
eraser.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design


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Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE

2009-12-14 Thread J. Landman Gay

Scott Rossi wrote:

Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:


That blatant
pandering to creative types was the thin end of the wedge. Within
three years, even the splash screen was upgraded.

I blame the parents.

Blame Scott Rossi, he did it. Them artist types, you just can't please 'em.


Keep it up, Landman Gay, and you'll find yourself facing the wrong end of an
eraser.


 O
^|
/

I give! I give!

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Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE

2009-12-14 Thread Robert Brenstein


On 14 Dec 2009, at 01:55, J. Landman Gay wrote:

 Anything is prettier than the MC IDE.


I remember that we used to refer to its interface as spartan when 
comparing to Rev IDE in its earlier days...


Robert
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Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE

2009-12-14 Thread Shari
I use it because it's a lot less cranky, it stays out of the way, and 
it doesn't clutter my screen.   Plus I prefer the Control Browser. 
Much easier to see what's where.


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Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE

2009-12-14 Thread Judy Perry
I remember thinking (and probably even staying rather loudly) that its UI 
elements (icons) looked like they were done by a 5 year old on acid...


Judy

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Robert Brenstein wrote:



On 14 Dec 2009, at 01:55, J. Landman Gay wrote:

 Anything is prettier than the MC IDE.


I remember that we used to refer to its interface as spartan when comparing 
to Rev IDE in its earlier days...

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Re: Rev IDE vs MetaCard IDE

2009-12-14 Thread Judy Perry

make that, saying...

g.

Judy

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Judy Perry wrote:

I remember thinking (and probably even staying rather loudly) that its UI 
elements (icons) looked like they were done by a 5 year old on acid...


Judy

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Robert Brenstein wrote:



On 14 Dec 2009, at 01:55, J. Landman Gay wrote:

 Anything is prettier than the MC IDE.


I remember that we used to refer to its interface as spartan when 
comparing to Rev IDE in its earlier days...

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Re: Plugins folder

2009-12-14 Thread Sarah Reichelt
 Yes, being 'invisible' seems to place it in a special, possibly superior
 place in the *message path* - where does it live in the hierarchy? Since the
 plug stack exists in a different folder what is the file address path it
 need to use? Absolute only? Plugin folder POV?    Plugins seem to be able to
 do some things better than just a loaded stack in the IDE.

 These are the main holes in my knowledge about this.

 I know that these stacks are almost impossible to edit *in invisible mode.*


Plugins really do not have any more powers than a normal stack, it's
just a convenient place to put utility stacks that you use often.

They are not magical in any way, but they are often used to contain
backScripts  frontScripts which inserts their scripts into the
hierarchy e.g. I have one that uses a frontScript to trap function
keys, and if there is a script snippet attached to a particular key,
it executes that snippet, before passing the function key on to the
other stacks  to the engine.

In the Plugins Settings dialog, you can choose which system messages
get sent to your plugin as well as when it opens and in what mode.

If you need to know the path to the Plugins folder, there are 2
unsupported functions for this:
revEnvironmentUserPluginsPath()
revEnvironmentPluginsPath()

You can edit stacks whose names start with rev, if you select
Revolution UI Elements in Lists from the View menu, or in tRev,
shift-click the tab name of a browser tab to toggle between showing
all stacks and showing only non-Rev ones. The problem is debugging as
Rev does not allow the debugger to step into rev stacks as far as I am
aware. However again, if you are using tRev (which I think you are),
then you can do any debugging using it's Decoder instead.

There is a revExample plugin in my Plugins folder. If you have a look
at that one, you might get some more ideas about how it all works.

HTH,
Sarah
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type font size in dictionary

2009-12-14 Thread Peter Alcibiades
How does one change the size of the font in the dictionary?  To make it 
several sizes larger?  

Peter
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