Re: Bill Marriott

2010-01-12 Thread zryip theSlug
2010/1/12 Kevin Miller ke...@runrev.com:
 Hi all,

 It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our Marketing
 Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday.

Even if I'm joining the list recently and I never had any contact with
Bill, losing a family member, friend or colleague is always a tragedy
for everyone.

At this moment, all my thoughts are with his family, colleagues and friends.

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Re: Bill Marriott

2010-01-12 Thread Jacques Hausser
Very, very sad - I did not know Bill personally - not more than I did know Eric 
one year ago - but both were of this quality of people who made the RunRev 
community something so much alive, so attractive and so friendly.
Children do that - and far more - for a family, and to lose a kid seems the 
worse kind of injustice one may suffer. Kevin, I'm with you and your family.

Jacques
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Re: Bill Marriott

2010-01-12 Thread René Micout
All my sympathies are with his family and friends
René

Le 12 janv. 2010 à 00:42, Kevin Miller a écrit :

 Hi all,
 
 It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our Marketing
 Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill was in his
 mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems recently,
 including a heart attack. Unfortunately I’m not in a position to say much
 more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.
 
 During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives which in
 part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have seen in
 recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but usually he
 was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the results
 speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
 friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his position but I
 will always remember him for his unique contribution.
 
 His death comes for me right after the death of my brother’s young daughter
 during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a little time
 to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
 received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service will resume
 shortly.
 
 Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Kevin
 
 Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
 RunRev - Software construction for everyone
 
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Re: Bill Marriott

2010-01-12 Thread Pierre Sahores

Kevin,

Eric, Bill... I'did'nt meet Bill ever but Eric went a friend before...  
It's always so difficult to accept to see how, sometimes, the life  
goes for the most independant and creative of us...
Love is in you, Kevin and your niece knowed certainly that too. All my  
attentions to your brother and family


Kind Regards,

Pierre

Le 12 janv. 10 à 00:42, Kevin Miller a écrit :


Hi all,

It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our  
Marketing
Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill  
was in his
mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems  
recently,
including a heart attack. Unfortunately I’m not in a position to say  
much

more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.

During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives  
which in
part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have seen  
in
recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but  
usually he
was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the  
results

speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his position  
but I

will always remember him for his unique contribution.

His death comes for me right after the death of my brother’s young  
daughter
during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a  
little time

to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service  
will resume

shortly.

Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
RunRev - Software construction for everyone

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Re: Flash cookies

2010-01-12 Thread Bernard Devlin
There is a FlashBlock extension for Firefox which prevents Flash
loading on a page automatically.  I use it on my netbook - largely
because I don't want Flash using up the restricted amount of RAM and
processor on that computer.

Looks to me that it might well be worth using it routinely.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433

Bernard

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Richmond Mathewson
richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
 That is really quite alarming!

 Is there any way of seeing those Flash cookies when ont online?
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Re: Bill Marriott

2010-01-12 Thread Richard Miller

Kevin,

So sorry to hear of your loss. These moments are certainly trying.

How inspiring it is to experience such an outpouring of sincere emotion 
from this community of supporters you have created... like a large, 
extended family. Revolution is far more than just another product. This 
community surely reflects the richness of your inner world, Kevin 
and that of others, like Bill. How marvelous. Perhaps you can find some 
comfort in that.


Kind regards,
Richard Miller
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Re: Bill Marriott

2010-01-12 Thread viktoras d.
shocked... it is hard to believe... Kevin, sorry for your loss. My 
condolences to your and Bill's families.


Viktoras
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ChatRev up again

2010-01-12 Thread Björnke von Gierke
Hi

Unfortunately, my router crashed today and I didn't realise it for three hours. 
I am sorry if you wanted to chat. After rebooting the box, Chatrev works as 
previous. This was the longest downtime in the last 5 Years, and I apologise.

have fun
Björnke


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http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev;

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Re: Flash cookies

2010-01-12 Thread Richmond Mathewson

On 12/01/2010 01:48, Dave Cragg wrote:

On 11 Jan 2010, at 18:56, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

   

On 11/01/2010 18:59, Michael Kann wrote:
 

At this site you can see all the flash cookies that have been stored on your computer. These 
cookies aren't cleaned out when you clear cookies. They get through even when you are 
private browsing with Firefox. I don't remember ever giving permission to any of the 
websites I see on my list.

http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager06.html


   

That is really quite alarming!

Is there any way of seeing those Flash cookies when ont online?
 

On OS X, they are stored in ~/Library/Preferences/Macromedia/Flash 
Player/#SharedObjects/

I guess they are in an equivalent location of Windows. (No access right now.) I 
don't know about Linux.

   


It gets even worse!

Yesterday I went to

http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager06.html

as instructed, and deleted a flash cookie called 'susan-boyle.com' (err, 
all a bit embarrassing).


Today, had a look in the folders in

~/Library/Preferences/Macromedia/Flash Player/#SharedObjects/

and 'susan-boyle.com' was still there . . .

so, obviously, at least as far as Mac are concerned, the online Settings 
Manager

is worse than useless; it is positively misleading.

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Flash cookies - Dig them out.

2010-01-12 Thread Richmond Mathewson

Here we are:

Windows XP:

For Web sites: %APPDATA%\Macromedia\Flash Player\#SharedObjects\random 
code\domain\path - maybe°\object name.sol


For AIR Applications: %APPDATA%\AIR Application Reverse Domain 
Name\Local Store\#SharedObjects\flash filename.swf\object name.sol


Windows Vista and later:

For Web sites: %APPDATA%\Roaming\Macromedia\Flash 
Player\#SharedObjects\random code\domain\path - maybe°\object 
name.sol


For AIR Applications: unknown, likely similar to the above

Mac OS X:

For Web sites: ~/Library/Preferences/Macromedia/Flash 
Player/#SharedObjects/random code/domain/path - maybe°/object 
name.sol and ~/Library/Preferences/Macromedia/Flash 
Player/macromedia.com/support/flashplayer/sys/object name.sol


For AIR Applications: ~/Library/Preferences/AIR Application Name/Local 
Store/#SharedObjects/flash filename.swf/object name.sol


Linux/Unix:
~/.macromedia/Flash_Player/#SharedObjects/random id/domain/path - 
maybe°/flash filename.swf/object name.sol


° - Flash player can save the file in any path specified by the SWF 
developer, relative to the current domain.



courtesy of Wikipedia

Frankly I would check these pathways as Wikipedia is 'sometimes' wrong . 
. .  :)

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Re: Bill Marriott - flowers and donation to Diabetes research

2010-01-12 Thread Richard Gaskin
The news of Bill's passing came as a sad shock to me as it was for all 
of us.  I've met him in person only once, at RevCon Vegas where we 
enjoyed a drink together under the desert stars at Red Rock Canyon, but 
had spoken with him on the phone and corresponded with him many times 
over the years.


He's been enormously helpful to me personally, and as Kevin noted his 
contributions to the Rev community speak for themselves.  His energy and 
enthusiasm showed him so full of life that I had expected to see him 
continue his good work for many years to come.


Yes, he expressed his opinions strongly, both before he joined RunRev 
and during his tenure there.  I liked that about him:  his candor was 
refreshing; I never had to guess where he was coming from. I used to 
take exception to some of his ideas, but over time I came to appreciate 
that he had a long experience in this industry to back it up, and his 
love of Rev was in earnest, passionately so.  I learned a lot from him.


It's very rare to find someone who can not only market a complex product 
like Rev, but can do so as effectively by knowing it intimately from 
having scripted in it for many years.  He had a unique insight into the 
mind of the Rev customer by having been one himself.  He will be missed 
here, and his work will be missed by all of us.



I'll be sending flowers to his memorial service on behalf of the Rev 
Developer Community, and making a modest donation to the American 
Diabetes Association in his name.


If any of you would like to make a contribution to that please contact 
me offlist and we'll make arrangements to pool our donations.


If you'd like to donate directly to the American Diabetes Association 
you can do so here:

http://www.diabetes.org/how-to-give/ways-to-donate-give/

--
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 Fourth World
 Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
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Re: Bill Marriott

2010-01-12 Thread David Bovill
Kevin, sad, sad news. My thoughts are with you, your family and Bills
friends and family in these difficult times.
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Re: Anyone Going to MacWorld 2010?

2010-01-12 Thread Richard Gaskin

Thomas McGrath III wrote:

I am afraid I will not be going to MacWorld 2010 as I will be going to
McGrathWorld 2010. This year McGrathWorld is expected to double in
size as my dear friend Ron says he will be attending after all this
year.

Have fun and if your in the neighborhood drop in.


Now THERE's a conference I'd like to attend. :)

It's been great to watch your work progress over the years, and I hope 
you have the opportunity to host many McGrathWorld conferences around 
the world over the coming years.


Put me on the mailing list when you expand to add a west coast venue. :)

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Re: Bill Marriott

2010-01-12 Thread Jim Ault

My condolences.
This is the second year that started with optimism but has been  
clouded with sad news.
Such a champion of the RunRev products and company, Bill will be  
missed in the many corners of the on-going marketing efforts by the  
team.  We all benefit is so many ways that are invisible to us.


Thank you for using your talents and skills to make all our lives a  
little richer.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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Re: Anyone Going to MacWorld 2010?

2010-01-12 Thread Jim Ault

On Jan 12, 2010, at 5:38 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Thomas McGrath III wrote:
I am afraid I will not be going to MacWorld 2010 as I will be going  
to

McGrathWorld 2010. This year McGrathWorld is expected to double in
size as my dear friend Ron says he will be attending after all this
year.

Have fun and if your in the neighborhood drop in.


Now THERE's a conference I'd like to attend. :)

It's been great to watch your work progress over the years, and I  
hope you have the opportunity to host many McGrathWorld conferences  
around the world over the coming years.


Put me on the mailing list when you expand to add a west coast  
venue. :)




Just let us know the UStream broadcast channel and the best times to  
tune in.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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Re: Finding the name of a USB volume

2010-01-12 Thread Richard Gaskin

Peter Alcibiades wrote:


Extra bonus points:  what shell calls would I use to get this info on
Linux?  I think I have the Windows side of things down, but I'll need to
work out the Linux side soon.

Richard, have you tried blkid?

http://linux.die.net/man/8/blkid


Thanks.  Do you know offhand if this is part of the default install for 
many distros?


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Re: Bill Marriott

2010-01-12 Thread Mark Swindell
I didn't know Bill but always enjoyed reading his well-thought ideas and 
opinions.  His passion and insight will be missed.  

And Kevin, I'm so sorry to hear of your niece's passing.  The loss of a child 
is beyond tragic.

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Re: Bill Marriott

2010-01-12 Thread Robert Brenstein

What's a shock... Joining all in grief...

Robert
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Re: Bill Marriott

2010-01-12 Thread Rick Harrison

I was saddened at the news of Bill's passing.  My condolences to the 
family, Kevin, the RunRev team, and anyone who ever knew Bill well. 

Rick Harrison


On Jan 11, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our Marketing
 Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill was in his
 mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems recently,
 including a heart attack. Unfortunately I’m not in a position to say much
 more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.
 
 During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives which in
 part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have seen in
 recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but usually he
 was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the results
 speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
 friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his position but I
 will always remember him for his unique contribution.
 
 His death comes for me right after the death of my brother’s young daughter
 during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a little time
 to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
 received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service will resume
 shortly.
 
 Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Kevin
 
 Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
 RunRev - Software construction for everyone
 
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Serial Port Woes

2010-01-12 Thread Len Morgan
I'm having a lot of trouble consistently reading a serial port.  I'm 
trying to talk to a microcontroller using ModBus ASCII and the basic 
idea is to send a request for data (about 12 bytes) and then wait for an 
answer (about 300 bytes).  There is between a 1/4 and 1/2 second delay 
from when I send the command and the controller STARTS sending it back.


I also can't get it to work at all if I open it for update (either text 
or binary).  I have to open the com port, send the command, then close 
the port and reopen it for read to get anything at all.


I've tried until linefeed, until empty, until eof, for 1 line, 
etc. and none of them seem to work reliably.  I KNOW that a response 
ends with a CRLF pair and there is only ever 1 line in a response so 
if I could just wait until I got the LF and it happened in say 3 seconds 
or less, I'd be happy.


Any suggestions??

len morgan
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RE: Anyone Going to MacWorld 2010?

2010-01-12 Thread Lynn Fredricks
 I am afraid I will not be going to MacWorld 2010 as I will be 
 going to McGrathWorld 2010. This year McGrathWorld is 
 expected to double in size as my dear friend Ron says he will 
 be attending after all this year.
 
 Have fun and if your in the neighborhood drop in.

I have a feeling I would much prefer the beer and barbeque at McGrathWorld
than at MacWorld ;-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 

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Re: Flash cookies

2010-01-12 Thread Mark Wieder
Richmond-

Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:07:00 AM, you wrote:

 Today, had a look in the folders in

 ~/Library/Preferences/Macromedia/Flash Player/#SharedObjects/

 and 'susan-boyle.com' was still there . . .

...old hack, but still quite useful...

Rename the Flash Player folder to Flash Playerx
In the Macromedia folder reate a *text* document named Flash Player

Flash Player is now no longer able to store anything into the
non-existent folder and is not able to create the folder since a file
of that name already exists. It fails gracefully and moves on.

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Re: weird option menu buttons in revlets

2010-01-12 Thread Devin Asay


On Jan 11, 2010, at 11:16 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Devin Asay wrote:

Has anyone else seen this?

When I click on option menu buttons in revlets, the list of options
appears far above and and completely separate from the button on the
screen. It still works but it's very bizarre.

is this a known issue?


I don't know, but I found the exact same bug in HyperCard 15 years
ago...I don't suppose that helps.


Ah, the old HyperCard-wannabe bug. That's very helpful, Jacque.

I notice that it only happens in Safari, not FF. Can't check it in  
Windows right now because my Windows test machine died. Can anyone  
check it out? I'll post a bug report if needed.


Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Flash cookies

2010-01-12 Thread Richmond Mathewson

On 12/01/2010 18:24, Mark Wieder wrote:

Richmond-

Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:07:00 AM, you wrote:

   

Today, had a look in the folders in
 
   

~/Library/Preferences/Macromedia/Flash Player/#SharedObjects/
 
   

and 'susan-boyle.com' was still there . . .
 

...old hack, but still quite useful...
   


Does that refer to the following, or to me? . . .  :)


Rename the Flash Player folder to Flash Playerx
In the Macromedia folder reate a *text* document named Flash Player

Flash Player is now no longer able to store anything into the
non-existent folder and is not able to create the folder since a file
of that name already exists. It fails gracefully and moves on.

   


Thanks for such a great tip.

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Windows system recovery

2010-01-12 Thread Mark Wieder
Devin-

Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 8:38:03 AM, you wrote:

 Windows right now because my Windows test machine died. Can anyone

Seems to be a lot of that going around lately.
Here's my Best Windows Tip Ever from the writeup I sent to a friend
the other day:

Lars has written two excellent tools: ERUNT and NTREGOPT. I have them
both installed. ERUNT is the sort of thing you want to install and
then never have to think about again until your computer goes
belly-up. This is what the Windows Last Good Configuration boot-up
option is supposed to do, but never does...

 Wanna try attacking one of my problems, then?

Better than that. Lemme solve one before it happens:

http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/

I installed ERUNT a few months ago and then forgot about it. I had a
registry crash on my main Windows computer last weekend and I've been
hobbling along with a semi-working computer since then trying to piece
things back together again. If I had remembered that I had ERUNT
installed I could have saved myself days of work. Now I'm just stuck
with repairing the damage I did trying to do things myself.

It archives snapshots of your registry that you can then go back to
later on, does it in the background, lets you restore the system
and/or user registries separately, and seems to work with all NT-based
Windows systems including Win7. I'm installing this onto every
computer I see.

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Re: Bill Marriott

2010-01-12 Thread Kevin Miller
Thanks to all for the kind words of support. It means so much to me and all
those affected.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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RE: Bill Marriott

2010-01-12 Thread Damien Girard

Toute mes condoléances à sa famille et ses proches

Damien

-Message d'origine-
De : use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com] De la part de Kevin Miller
Envoyé : mardi 12 janvier 2010 00:43
À : How to use Revolution; Improvements to Revolution
Objet : Bill Marriott


Hi all,

It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our Marketing
Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill was in his
mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems recently,
including a heart attack. Unfortunately I¹m not in a position to say much
more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.

During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives which in
part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have seen in
recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but usually he
was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the results
speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his position but I
will always remember him for his unique contribution.

His death comes for me right after the death of my brother¹s young daughter
during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a little time
to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service will resume
shortly.

Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
RunRev - Software construction for everyone

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DG: alternateRowColor

2010-01-12 Thread Richard Gaskin
I need to set the background and alternate row colors in my DG to custom 
values, but when I edit the props for those I get the background color 
applied only to the alternate rows with the alternate row color showing 
correctly within its bounds, while the background of all odd-numbered 
rows shows white.


What am I missing?

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Re: DG: alternateRowColor

2010-01-12 Thread Trevor DeVore

On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

I need to set the background and alternate row colors in my DG to  
custom values, but when I edit the props for those I get the  
background color applied only to the alternate rows with the  
alternate row color showing correctly within its bounds, while the  
background of all odd-numbered rows shows white.


Hi Richard,

Background color is different then the row color. Try this:

set the dgProps[row color] of group 1 to red
set the dgProps[alternate row color] of group 1 to green

You should have alternating red/green lines.

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Re: DG: alternateRowColor

2010-01-12 Thread Richard Gaskin

Trevor DeVore wrote:


On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

I need to set the background and alternate row colors in my DG to
custom values, but when I edit the props for those I get the
background color applied only to the alternate rows with the
alternate row color showing correctly within its bounds, while the
background of all odd-numbered rows shows white.


Hi Richard,

Background color is different then the row color. Try this:

set the dgProps[row color] of group 1 to red
set the dgProps[alternate row color] of group 1 to green

You should have alternating red/green lines.


Ah yes! I see rowColor right there in my property sheet, but overlooked 
it before.


Perfect - thanks!

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Re: Bill Marriott

2010-01-12 Thread -= JB =-

Sorry to hear the sad news about Bill Marriot and the death of
your niece Kevin.  Best wishes to everyone.

It is a good time to remember we are all here for a limited amount
of time.

If it helps I know for a fact their life does not end with the death of
the human body.

-=JB=-



On Jan 11, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:


Hi all,

It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our  
Marketing
Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill  
was in his
mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems  
recently,
including a heart attack. Unfortunately I’m not in a position to  
say much

more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.

During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives  
which in
part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have  
seen in
recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but  
usually he
was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the  
results

speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his  
position but I

will always remember him for his unique contribution.

His death comes for me right after the death of my brother’s young  
daughter
during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a  
little time

to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service  
will resume

shortly.

Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
RunRev - Software construction for everyone

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Re: Serial Port Woes

2010-01-12 Thread -= JB =-
I was working on a serial port stack but have been prevented from  
programming
on it for over a year now due to being poisoned and tormented in my  
own home
by a communist nazi like secret society destroying select lives in  
America.


It is unfinished but it does some basic calls.  If you are interested  
I will put it on

the Rev site and allow anyone to use or improve it.

-=JB=-


On Jan 12, 2010, at 7:40 AM, Len Morgan wrote:

I'm having a lot of trouble consistently reading a serial port.   
I'm trying to talk to a microcontroller using ModBus ASCII and the  
basic idea is to send a request for data (about 12 bytes) and then  
wait for an answer (about 300 bytes).  There is between a 1/4 and  
1/2 second delay from when I send the command and the controller  
STARTS sending it back.


I also can't get it to work at all if I open it for update (either  
text or binary).  I have to open the com port, send the command,  
then close the port and reopen it for read to get anything at all.


I've tried until linefeed, until empty, until eof, for 1  
line, etc. and none of them seem to work reliably.  I KNOW that a  
response ends with a CRLF pair and there is only ever 1 line in a  
response so if I could just wait until I got the LF and it happened  
in say 3 seconds or less, I'd be happy.


Any suggestions??

len morgan
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Re: Bill Marriott

2010-01-12 Thread Josh Mellicker
My sincerest condolences for your niece and Bill and strength to you in 
difficult times.

Best,
Josh

On Jan 11, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 It is with great sadness that I must inform you that Bill, our Marketing
 Director here at RunRev, passed away unexpectedly on Friday. Bill was in his
 mid 40s, had diabetes and had suffered a number of health problems recently,
 including a heart attack. Unfortunately I’m not in a position to say much
 more about the circumstances of his passing at the moment.
 
 During his time with us Bill spearheaded a number of initiatives which in
 part, contributed to some of the most successful growth we have seen in
 recent times. Bill was often quirky, sometimes controversial, but usually he
 was right. His strategies and campaigns were never boring and the results
 speak for themselves. Outside of work I came to consider Bill a close
 friend. In time we will be able to find someone to fill his position but I
 will always remember him for his unique contribution.
 
 His death comes for me right after the death of my brother’s young daughter
 during the holidays, so between these events it will take me a little time
 to find my feet again. If you have emailed me about something and not
 received a reply I would ask that you be patient, normal service will resume
 shortly.
 
 Thank you Bill, for everything. I hope you rest in peace.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Kevin
 
 Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
 RunRev - Software construction for everyone
 
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Re: Finding the name of a USB volume

2010-01-12 Thread Larry Snider
I can confirm that blkid, which is part of the e2fsprogs package, is
part of the following distributions:

CentOS release 5 (Final)
CentOS release 5.3 (Final)
Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES release 4 (Nahant Update 4)
Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS release 4 (Nahant Update 7)

If blkid is installed on CentOS and Redhat Enterprise Linux then more
than likely it is on Fedora as well.

You can find which distributions have the RPM/package available by
checking RPMFind.net.

http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=blkidsubmit=Search+...system=arch=


Larry



On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Richard Gaskin
ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote:
 Peter Alcibiades wrote:

 Extra bonus points:  what shell calls would I use to get this info on
 Linux?  I think I have the Windows side of things down, but I'll need to
 work out the Linux side soon.

 Richard, have you tried blkid?

 http://linux.die.net/man/8/blkid

 Thanks.  Do you know offhand if this is part of the default install for many
 distros?

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[ANN] Scratch Pad, Minimize, Multiple Instances for tRev

2010-01-12 Thread Jerry Daniels

Friends,

Amidst the cheer of the holidays, the MegaBundle and other goings-on,  
friend Bill Marriott passed away after Robin Miller lost his daughter.  
MJ and I are deeply saddened by these losses to our community and to  
the Miller family. I trust and hope their prayers will all be heard.


Bill loved passionately all aspects of the software  
lifecycle...development, design, marketing. We're dedicating this  
version of tRev to him.


We just completed our most sweeping series of changes to tRev. Much of  
this is beneath the covers. Let's start with what you can see. We now  
have a way for you to keep track of the handlers on which you're  
working. It's called the Scratch Pad.


The Scratch Pad is simply a list of links to your favorite handlers.
- It persists from session-to-session.
- It is there whether in code editor or object browser mode.
- It can be edited in-situ or through its own editor.

There's a nice slide show and a video of the Scratch Pad in action:

http://reveditor.com/scratch-pad-links-to-your-fav-handlers

tRev is No Longer a Palette

I've made tRev's window into a standard window--it was a palette. Now  
you can minimize, maximize, close...all in very standard ways across  
both platforms. On Windows, when you iconify or uniconify Revolution  
IDE, tRev iconizes or uniconizes right along with it.


Basic Architectural Revamp

I've also redone the tRev application itself and its file architecture  
so that...

- You can run multiple instances of tRev/Rev pairs (up to 100).
- There is now only one components folder.
- Least-used ports are employed during our inter-app communication.

Proxy Support

I've also added support for HTTP proxy servers in the prefs and  
whenever you encounter connection problems.


That's about it.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

http://reveditor.com
Want to edit something? We can help!
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SQL Yoga 1.0.1 Update and New Plugin

2010-01-12 Thread Trevor DeVore
Version 1.0.1 of the SQL Yoga library is now available for download  
from our site. This version includes a few new features, some bug  
fixes and a new plugin.


You can learn more at the following url:

http://bit.ly/6bXMiJ

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Re: SQL Yoga 1.0.1 Update and New Plugin

2010-01-12 Thread Sivakatirswami

Trevor DeVore wrote:
Version 1.0.1 of the SQL Yoga library is now available for download 
from our site. This version includes a few new features, some bug 
fixes and a new plugin.


You can learn more at the following url:

http://bit.ly/6bXMiJ


Aloha, Trevor:

Thanks! the upgrade to Hinduism Today Digital Edition, newly named 
Hinduism Today Navigator, owes a lot to you work (via Andre whose doing 
this for us)


I appreciate the kind of strong support you give to everything you do.

cheers from Kauai

Om Shanti
Sivakatirswami

Production Manager
  www.HinduismToday.com
Web Coordinator
  www.HimalayanAcademy.com

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Re: Serial Port Woes

2010-01-12 Thread Sarah Reichelt
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Len Morgan len-mor...@crcom.net wrote:
 I'm having a lot of trouble consistently reading a serial port.  I'm trying
 to talk to a microcontroller using ModBus ASCII and the basic idea is to
 send a request for data (about 12 bytes) and then wait for an answer (about
 300 bytes).  There is between a 1/4 and 1/2 second delay from when I send
 the command and the controller STARTS sending it back.

 I also can't get it to work at all if I open it for update (either text or
 binary).  I have to open the com port, send the command, then close the port
 and reopen it for read to get anything at all.

 I've tried until linefeed, until empty, until eof, for 1 line, etc.
 and none of them seem to work reliably.  I KNOW that a response ends with a
 CRLF pair and there is only ever 1 line in a response so if I could just
 wait until I got the LF and it happened in say 3 seconds or less, I'd be
 happy.


Hi Len,

I have done a lot of work with serial ports, and although I always put
in lots of checks that close  re-open the port if there is an error,
this is not a normal occurrence.

Have a look at my serial test stack
http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/SerialTest.rev which allows you to
configure the expected line endings as well as all the serial port
parameters. It sends data, and then constantly checks for incoming
responses from the serial device.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: Bill Marriott

2010-01-12 Thread Alejandro Tejada
Mis mas sinceras condolencias para la familia Marriot
y para la familia Miller, por la inesperada perdida de
sus seres queridos.

Que Dios los acompañe en este momento de tristeza.


Alejandro
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Re: SQL Yoga 1.0.1 Update and New Plugin

2010-01-12 Thread william humphrey
Thanks for this new plug in. I love the improvement in the IDE!
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BLOBs to files - works great but...

2010-01-12 Thread Alex Adams
I have recently added the ability to store files in BLOBs and everything
works fine on the way in and on the way out.  Thanks Zryip TheSlug for your
explanations.

What isn¹t working for me yet is a lack of autonomy of the files restored to
a Mac OS X.  The files work just fine, if opened by a program that uses the
file type, but the finder always opens them in a text editor.

What am I missing?

Thanks,
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Re: BLOBs to files - works great but...

2010-01-12 Thread Sarah Reichelt
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Alex Adams a...@a2technology.com wrote:
 I have recently added the ability to store files in BLOBs and everything
 works fine on the way in and on the way out.  Thanks Zryip TheSlug for your
 explanations.

 What isn¹t working for me yet is a lack of autonomy of the files restored to
 a Mac OS X.  The files work just fine, if opened by a program that uses the
 file type, but the finder always opens them in a text editor.


Check out the filetype in the docs.
By default, Rev sets the filetype to ttxtTEXT which means that any
file saved will appear to be a text file.
You can set the file type to the required creator code  type, but now
that Apple no longer supports creator codes, it is much easier just to
set the filetype to empty and let the Finder use the file extension to
sort out which application to use for each file type.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: BLOBs to files - works great but...

2010-01-12 Thread Devin Asay


On Jan 12, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Alex Adams a...@a2technology.com  
wrote:
I have recently added the ability to store files in BLOBs and  
everything
works fine on the way in and on the way out.  Thanks Zryip TheSlug  
for your

explanations.

What isn¹t working for me yet is a lack of autonomy of the files  
restored to
a Mac OS X.  The files work just fine, if opened by a program that  
uses the

file type, but the finder always opens them in a text editor.



Check out the filetype in the docs.
By default, Rev sets the filetype to ttxtTEXT which means that any
file saved will appear to be a text file.
You can set the file type to the required creator code  type, but now
that Apple no longer supports creator codes, it is much easier just to
set the filetype to empty and let the Finder use the file extension to
sort out which application to use for each file type.


Alex,

As Sarah mentioned, with Snow Leopard Apple has abandoned the creator  
code and file type model, but if you're still using Leopard or have  
users who are, this page might be useful:


http://revolution.byu.edu/helps/file-creatorcodes.php

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Is there a 64-bit version coming?

2010-01-12 Thread Len Morgan
The subject says it all.  Is there a 64-bit version of Rev 4.0 (or 
later) for Windows 7?  Just curious...


len morgan
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Re: Serial Port Woes

2010-01-12 Thread Len Morgan
I'd love to take a stab at finishing it up.  If you have any thoughts on 
what you feel is missing that you didn't get a chance to finish, let me 
know.  Maybe I can release a serial library we could all use.


len morgan

On 1/12/2010 12:26 PM, -= JB =- wrote:
I was working on a serial port stack but have been prevented from 
programming
on it for over a year now due to being poisoned and tormented in my 
own home
by a communist nazi like secret society destroying select lives in 
America.


It is unfinished but it does some basic calls.  If you are interested 
I will put it on

the Rev site and allow anyone to use or improve it.

-=JB=-


On Jan 12, 2010, at 7:40 AM, Len Morgan wrote:

I'm having a lot of trouble consistently reading a serial port.  I'm 
trying to talk to a microcontroller using ModBus ASCII and the basic 
idea is to send a request for data (about 12 bytes) and then wait for 
an answer (about 300 bytes).  There is between a 1/4 and 1/2 second 
delay from when I send the command and the controller STARTS sending 
it back.


I also can't get it to work at all if I open it for update (either 
text or binary).  I have to open the com port, send the command, then 
close the port and reopen it for read to get anything at all.


I've tried until linefeed, until empty, until eof, for 1 
line, etc. and none of them seem to work reliably.  I KNOW that a 
response ends with a CRLF pair and there is only ever 1 line in a 
response so if I could just wait until I got the LF and it happened 
in say 3 seconds or less, I'd be happy.


Any suggestions??

len morgan
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an interesting challenge

2010-01-12 Thread runrev

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Re: How to interrupt a get URL http... command

2010-01-12 Thread Bill Vlahos
OK. I'm able to load the URL to the cache. How do I get the text of the 
downloaded web page?

I see the file in the list of cached urls but I don't see how to get the text.

Bill Vlahos

On Jan 11, 2010, at 11:27 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

 Scott,
 
 Perfect. Thank you.
 
 Bill Vlahos
 
 On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
 
 In some of my stacks, I use loadURL URL to download a stack, and unload
 url URL to cancel an active download.  I believe this will still work if
 the download hangs.  I also use an animated indicator (to show things are
 active during the download) which is stopped as soon as a download is
 canceled or completed.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 Regards,
 
 Scott Rossi
 Creative Director
 Tactile Media, UX Design
 
 
 
 Recently, Bill Vlahos wrote:
 
 I issue a get URL http://...; command to load a very small file from the 
 web
 page. This usually behaves well and loads instantly even on slow network
 connections because the http file. If there is good a good network 
 connection
 to the Internet it gets the download. If there isn't a connection at all it
 downloads nothing and errors out well and if usually notifies the user very
 quickly.
 
 However, I sometimes the Internet connection is either extremely slow or
 otherwise problematic. In this case nothing appears to be happening until 
 the
 statement times out. Unfortunately waiting for it to time out takes a long
 time to the user and I want to give them a chance to cancel it.
 
 The Rev docs suggest using the load command instead.  The Rev docs state
 that get URL commands are blocking. The handler pauses until Rev is 
 finished
 accessing the URL. I would like to present a Cancel download button to the
 user in the event it is taking too long. How do I configure this?
 
 
 
 
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Re: How to interrupt a get URL http... command

2010-01-12 Thread Michael Kann
on mouseUp
put http://www.runrev.com; into curURL
load url curURL
put the cachedURLS into fld 1 // to see what you have loaded
put url curURL  into fld 2// will load from cache
end mouseUp

From the dictionary:

To use a file that has been downloaded by the load command, refer to it using 
the URL keyword as usual. When you request the original URL, Revolution uses 
the cached file automatically.

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Bill Vlahos bvla...@mac.com wrote:

 From: Bill Vlahos bvla...@mac.com
 Subject: Re: How to interrupt a get URL http... command
 To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
 Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:19 PM
 OK. I'm able to load the URL to the
 cache. How do I get the text of the downloaded web page?
 
 I see the file in the list of cached urls but I don't see
 how to get the text.
 
 Bill Vlahos
 
 On Jan 11, 2010, at 11:27 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:
 
  Scott,
  
  Perfect. Thank you.
  
  Bill Vlahos
  
  On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
  
  In some of my stacks, I use loadURL URL
 to download a stack, and unload
  url URL to cancel an active
 download.  I believe this will still work if
  the download hangs.  I also use an animated
 indicator (to show things are
  active during the download) which is stopped as
 soon as a download is
  canceled or completed.
  
  Hope this helps.
  
  Regards,
  
  Scott Rossi
  Creative Director
  Tactile Media, UX Design
  
  
  
  Recently, Bill Vlahos wrote:
  
  I issue a get URL http://...; command to
 load a very small file from the web
  page. This usually behaves well and loads
 instantly even on slow network
  connections because the http file. If there is
 good a good network connection
  to the Internet it gets the download. If there
 isn't a connection at all it
  downloads nothing and errors out well and if
 usually notifies the user very
  quickly.
  
  However, I sometimes the Internet connection
 is either extremely slow or
  otherwise problematic. In this case nothing
 appears to be happening until the
  statement times out. Unfortunately waiting for
 it to time out takes a long
  time to the user and I want to give them a
 chance to cancel it.
  
  The Rev docs suggest using the load command
 instead.  The Rev docs state
  that get URL commands are blocking. The
 handler pauses until Rev is finished
  accessing the URL. I would like to present a
 Cancel download button to the
  user in the event it is taking too long. How
 do I configure this?
  
  
  
  
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Re: New On-Rev Set-Up

2010-01-12 Thread Mark
It's probably bad form to reply to ones self, but I wanted to say thank 
you to Jacque and Heather for their tireless help in resolving my On-Rev 
setup issue.  I have been made to feel well at home!
Also, I realize that I'm quite new to this list and company, but I would 
also like to offer my condolences to the friends and family of the 
recently lost loved ones.


Thanks again,
Mark
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Lyceum Design
907.490.0375
m...@lyceumdesign.com
www.lyceumdesign.com
On 1/8/10 10:03 PM, Mark wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion.  I thought it would be automatic too.  
Nothing in spam folders. Oddly enough, I see what should be my login 
name (a portion of my requested sub-domain) as the newest user at the 
on-rev forums. Though I can't login to the forums...  I tried to use 
the forgot password at the forums also, but to no avail.  I'm sure 
they will eventually get to me in the cue.  I'm just anxious to play 
with some irev code.


On 1/8/10 9:41 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

Mark wrote:

Hello list,

I was wondering if any of you knew what the turn around time was for 
new On-Rev accounts.  I purchased a month to month subscription 
through the runrev.com store a week ago (successfully billed to my 
cc) and have yet to receive any information in regards to the account.


I have also emailed supp...@runrev.com, with only an automated 
responder thanking me for my effort.  Is everyone still on holiday?


No, but very heavily backlogged after the holidays. I could be wrong, 
but I thought the setup was automatic and immediate. Anyone know? My 
own account was set up manually before the system was fully in place, 
so I don't know how it works now.


Did you search your spam folders for email?





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Re: an interesting challenge

2010-01-12 Thread René Micout
What ?

Le 13 janv. 2010 à 04:35, run...@gmx.com a écrit :

 
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Re: an interesting challenge

2010-01-12 Thread Scott Rossi
I think we're expected to figure out the challenge.  That's tough.

:-)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
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Re: an interesting challenge

2010-01-12 Thread stephen barncard
We have a Pho house here in San Francisco that offers the Pho Challenge; a
gigantic bowl of wonderful Vietnamese chicken soup.

-
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/12 Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com

 I think we're expected to figure out the challenge.  That's tough.

 :-)

 Regards,

 Scott Rossi
 Creative Director
 Tactile Media, UX Design



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Re: an interesting challenge

2010-01-12 Thread René Micout
In front of my house, here in Paris, I have the same !
René

Le 13 janv. 2010 à 07:24, stephen barncard a écrit :

 We have a Pho house here in San Francisco that offers the Pho Challenge; a
 gigantic bowl of wonderful Vietnamese chicken soup.
 
 -
 Stephen Barncard
 San Francisco
 http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
 
 
 2010/1/12 Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com
 
 I think we're expected to figure out the challenge.  That's tough.
 
 :-)
 
 Regards,
 
 Scott Rossi
 Creative Director
 Tactile Media, UX Design
 
 
 
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Re: an interesting challenge

2010-01-12 Thread Richmond Mathewson

Victor Hugo once sent a message to his publishers:

?

and they replied:

!

which seems about as minimal as one can get.

A completely empty message is not a challenge, or anything
else for that matter.

Now, the thing that worries me is whether ? constitutes a
sentence as it is verbless.


We have a Pho house here in San Francisco that offers the Pho Challenge; a
gigantic bowl of wonderful Vietnamese chicken soup.

-
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/12 Scott Rossisc...@tactilemedia.com

   

I think we're expected to figure out the challenge.  That's tough.

:-)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




 
   


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Re: an interesting challenge

2010-01-12 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

 Victor Hugo once sent a message to his publishers:
 
 ?
 
 and they replied:
 
 !
 
 which seems about as minimal as one can get.


.



Regards,

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Creative Director
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Re: an interesting challenge

2010-01-12 Thread René Micout
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_(linguistics)

Le 13 janv. 2010 à 07:38, Richmond Mathewson a écrit :

 Victor Hugo once sent a message to his publishers:
 
 ?
 
 and they replied:
 
 !
 
 which seems about as minimal as one can get.
 
 A completely empty message is not a challenge, or anything
 else for that matter.
 
 Now, the thing that worries me is whether ? constitutes a
 sentence as it is verbless.
 
 We have a Pho house here in San Francisco that offers the Pho Challenge; a
 gigantic bowl of wonderful Vietnamese chicken soup.
 
 -
 Stephen Barncard
 San Francisco
 http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
 
 
 2010/1/12 Scott Rossisc...@tactilemedia.com
 
   
 I think we're expected to figure out the challenge.  That's tough.
 
 :-)
 
 Regards,
 
 Scott Rossi
 Creative Director
 Tactile Media, UX Design
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
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Re: an interesting challenge

2010-01-12 Thread René Micout
Apparently (on Wikipedia) the french(s) have more to say about the sentence 
than the english(s)  :-)
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrase

Le 13 janv. 2010 à 07:38, Richmond Mathewson a écrit :

 Victor Hugo once sent a message to his publishers:
 
 ?
 
 and they replied:
 
 !
 
 which seems about as minimal as one can get.
 
 A completely empty message is not a challenge, or anything
 else for that matter.
 
 Now, the thing that worries me is whether ? constitutes a
 sentence as it is verbless.
 
 We have a Pho house here in San Francisco that offers the Pho Challenge; a
 gigantic bowl of wonderful Vietnamese chicken soup.
 
 -
 Stephen Barncard
 San Francisco
 http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev
 
 
 2010/1/12 Scott Rossisc...@tactilemedia.com
 
   
 I think we're expected to figure out the challenge.  That's tough.
 
 :-)
 
 Regards,
 
 Scott Rossi
 Creative Director
 Tactile Media, UX Design
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
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RE: an interesting challenge

2010-01-12 Thread Jim Bufalini
René Micout wrote:

 Apparently (on Wikipedia) the french(s) have more to say about the
 sentence than the english(s)  :-)
 http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrase

French is apparently always more wordy than English. ;-) When I worked
with Eric, he would struggle to fit into the same space in French what I
wrote in English (and he was an accomplished author). He told me French is
about one-third more words than English to say the same thought.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

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Re: an interesting challenge

2010-01-12 Thread René Micout
Hello Jim,
I agree, but...
Here (Wikipedia) it is not only syntaxic explanation but content...  ;-)
René

PS : Je vais faire des phrases ! Gustave Flaubert...

Le 13 janv. 2010 à 08:36, Jim Bufalini a écrit :

 René Micout wrote:
 
 Apparently (on Wikipedia) the french(s) have more to say about the
 sentence than the english(s)  :-)
 http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrase
 
 French is apparently always more wordy than English. ;-) When I worked
 with Eric, he would struggle to fit into the same space in French what I
 wrote in English (and he was an accomplished author). He told me French is
 about one-third more words than English to say the same thought.
 
 Aloha from Hawaii,
 
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