Re: Why do human have appendices?

[Kay C Lan]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson <
richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> However, RunRev seems not to have an appendix to repopulate what has been
> removed.
>
> An approach that has never seemed to hurt Apple, though many predictions to
the contrary. Whilst many would suggest that one of MicroSoft's  errors with
Vista's was to doggedly attempt that very feat.
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Re: Why do human have appendices?

[Mark Swindell]

Not so fast... there were, in fact, several confirmed bug reports last time I 
checked.

On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Richmond-
> 
> Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 12:47:22 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> However, RunRev seems not to have an appendix to repopulate what has
>> been removed.
> 
> Nor bacteria, last I looked.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwie...@ahsoftware.net
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Re: Mac Scrolling

[J. Landman Gay]

Graham & Heather Harrison wrote:

On 22/04/2010, at 12:57 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Spotlight
General
More info
Name & Extension
Preview
Languages
Plug-ins  <-- this one
Sharing & Permissions


I have never even seen the two in red. Haven't been able to find anything in a 
quick look at Help, so I assume that they only appear if there is anything to 
report. This sort of points to the plug-ins being missing. Will download again. 
Is there anything else I should 
do?___


Sorry, I've mislead you. The list was taken from a Leopard Get Info. I 
just checked on Snow Leopard and they aren't there in that OS, so I 
guess you can't use this trick.


If you look inside the bundle contents you will find the plugins, but I 
assume they're all enabled by default. I was grasping at straws, at any 
rate. I'll confess I have no idea what could be eliminating the first 
click you do on a scrollbar, but that appears to be what's happening.


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Re: RevMail

[Warren Samples]

use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote on Mon, 19 Apr 2010
07:30:49 -0500:

>Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 19:38:24 +0200
>From: Jean-Pierre Soto 
>Subject: RevMail
>To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
>Message-ID: <7bd58c3b-0330-44cd-97ac-563b339de...@wanadoo.fr>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>Hello,
>
>I want to use the revMail function , but the size of text seems to be  
>limited. What can I do?
>
>
>Thanks

Hello :)

I don't think the idea of having a message copied to the clipboard for
pasting is really such a shameful thing. It is almost certain that you
have users who utilize web-based mail services instead of desktop
clients and launching a local client is going to be useless for those
users, for whom the copy+paste method is ideal.

I wonder, though, if maybe the smoothest user experience would come with
using smtp and sending the message directly from the application. There
are several excellent library stacks available, including one by Sarah,
which make this very easy to do. There are lots of commercial smtp relay
services and many of them are reasonably affordable for small volume
users. You could subscribe to such a service and hardwire the server
information into your app, obviating the need for your user to provide
any information other than the feedback. It may be worth consideration,
anyway.

Cheers,

Warren Samples

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Re: Mac Scrolling

[Graham & Heather Harrison]

On 22/04/2010, at 12:57 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Spotlight
> General
> More info
> Name & Extension
> Preview
> Languages
> Plug-ins  <-- this one
> Sharing & Permissions

I have never even seen the two in red. Haven't been able to find anything in a 
quick look at Help, so I assume that they only appear if there is anything to 
report. This sort of points to the plug-ins being missing. Will download again. 
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Re: Why do human have appendices?

[Mark Wieder]

Richmond-

Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 12:47:22 PM, you wrote:

> However, RunRev seems not to have an appendix to repopulate what has
> been removed.

Nor bacteria, last I looked.

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Re: Sending a message to multiple objects

[Mark Wieder]

Sarah-

Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 4:18:27 PM, you wrote:

> There was an MVC demo stack doing the rounds a couple of years ago. I
> think it used something similar to this where controls registered
> their interest and then all registered controls got the specified
> messages. I forget who wrote the stack, but a search for "MVC.rev"
> might turn up something. Or maybe the original author could step in
> here before my vague memories cause too much confusion :-)

Um... yeah... that would be me. I believe the library and demo stack
might be on revOnline (can't check at the moment), but I'll repost it
if it's not. I originally thought that what I was presenting was an
MVC construct, but David Bovill convinced me otherwise. It *does*
implement the publish-and-subscribe pattern whereby you can register
controls' interest in receiving messages from any or from specific
other controls.

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Re: Mac Scrolling

[J. Landman Gay]

Graham & Heather Harrison wrote:

On 22/04/2010, at 7:37 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


One other thing to check would be to do a "get info" on the rev app
itself, open the plug-ins pane, and make sure all the plugins are
checked. Rev uses those to determine correct OS behavior. They are
all checked by default when shipped though.


I assume you mean the Mac Get Info, and I can see no plug-ins pane
there. In rev Development/Plugins/Plugin Settings there are a number
of plugins selected for use, but does that mean they are
available?


Right, the Finder's Get Info. Select the Rev app itself in Finder, and 
choose Get Info from the Finder's File menu (or right-click on it and 
use the contextual menu.) The Get Info window has several panes in it, 
each with an expandable arrow:


Spotlight
General
More info
Name & Extension
Preview
Languages
Plug-ins  <-- this one
Sharing & Permissions

Expand the Plug-ins arrow to see the bundle plugins that ship with Rev. 
There should be four, one for image support and three each for different 
versions of OS X. All four should be enabled.


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Re: Mac Scrolling

[J. Landman Gay]

Graham & Heather Harrison wrote:

On 22/04/2010, at 8:41 AM, zryip theSlug wrote:

1) Open your message watcher (Menu Development -> Message watcher) 
2) Checked if there is no pending message, and no front script 
launched. If needed remove them.


Nothing found. I assume the font script launch would have been in
message watcher. If not I know not where to look.


The best way to check pending messages is in the message box (I think 
that's probably what our slug meant.) The fifth icon from the left is 
the pending message queue. Normally you won't see anything there unless 
you're viewing the UI messages. It's normal to see those. If you do see 
any pending messages that are not in the UI, see if you can copy and 
paste them here.


More likely to interfere would be a frontscript. You can see if any of 
those are running by checking the next icon over in the message box (6th 
from the left.) If you don't check the "show revolution ui" checkbox, 
you shouldn't see any frontscripts. If you do, tell us what they are. 
Some may be from plugins that are causing interference.





3) Create a new stack 4) Drop a "Scrolling field" on it 5) Copy or
type text in your field (10 or 15 lines to have a scroll bar) 6) In
the field property, ask for vertical scrollbar


By the time I got to Property Inspector it already had Vertical
Scrollbar ticked.


That's the only real distinction between a scrolling field and a regular 
field; Rev just provides a quick tool for creating one. So that property 
will always be set if you drag a scrolling field from the tools palette.


But here's another test. After you've created a scrolling field and 
filled it with some text, go to the Development menu and choose Suspend 
Development Tools. This removes the IDE entirely, leaving only the raw 
engine and your own scripts (but don't test with any scripts, keep your 
test stack blank.) If the problem persists, then something else is 
swallowing your first click. And since you're pretty close to the engine 
when the dev tools are suspended, it could be something outside Rev 
doing it (third-party mouse driver? Who knows.)



Am I really conversing with a slug? ("Slime sliiime sliimmme Zryip!")


As far as we know, yes. At least, he's never told us any different. He's 
a very friendly slug in any case, I'd definitely trust him in my 
strawberry patch.


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Re: Mac Scrolling

[Graham & Heather Harrison]

On 22/04/2010, at 7:37 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> 
> One other thing to check would be to do a "get info" on the rev app itself, 
> open the plug-ins pane, and make sure all the plugins are checked. Rev uses 
> those to determine correct OS behavior. They are all checked by default when 
> shipped though.

I assume you mean the Mac Get Info, and I can see no plug-ins pane there. In 
rev Development/Plugins/Plugin Settings there are a number of plugins selected 
for use, but does that mean they are 
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Re: Mac Scrolling

[Graham & Heather Harrison]

On 22/04/2010, at 8:41 AM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> 1) Open your message watcher (Menu Development -> Message watcher)
> 2) Checked if there is no pending message, and no front script
> launched. If needed remove them.

Nothing found. I assume the font script launch would have been in message 
watcher. If not I know not where to look.

> 3) Create a new stack
> 4) Drop a "Scrolling field" on it
> 5) Copy or type text in your field (10 or 15 lines to have a scroll bar)
> 6) In the field property, ask for vertical scrollbar

By the time I got to Property Inspector it already had Vertical Scrollbar 
ticked.

> Now give a try to the scrollbar. What happens?

Exactly the same as every other test case I have set up: need double-click in 
channel to move bar, does not recognise Go To Here.

Am I really conversing with a slug? ("Slime sliiime sliimmme Zryip!")

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Re: Why do human have appendices?

[jonathandlynch]

Heh

There are even beneficial viruses, like cowpox :)
--Original Message--
From: Lynn Fredricks
Sender: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com
To: 'How to use Revolution'
ReplyTo: How to use Revolution
Subject: RE: Why do human have appendices?
Sent: Apr 21, 2010 6:58 PM

> Some speculate that it serves as a repository for beneficial bacteria
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

I didn't know you could receive beneficial bacteria from your Verizon
Wireless BlackBerry. I worry about getting the bad type from ordinary public
phones :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 

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Re: Sending a message to multiple objects

[Sarah Reichelt]

> Basically what I'm trying to do is have controls which display data from my
> SQLite database (mostly datagrids) refresh the data when it gets changed
> outside the stack they reside on so it would be a small percentage of the
> controls that would have an interest in the message.
>
> I had thought of creating a registry of controls that have an interest when
> data in a particular table in the database changes.  Perhaps a custom
> property in each stack that holds a list of interested controls when the
> data is changed in that stack, then key the dispatch commands off that
> custom property.  Could be complicated to keep up to date though.

There was an MVC demo stack doing the rounds a couple of years ago. I
think it used something similar to this where controls registered
their interest and then all registered controls got the specified
messages. I forget who wrote the stack, but a search for "MVC.rev"
might turn up something. Or maybe the original author could step in
here before my vague memories cause too much confusion :-)

Cheers,
Sarah
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RE: Why do human have appendices?

[Lynn Fredricks]

> Some speculate that it serves as a repository for beneficial bacteria
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

I didn't know you could receive beneficial bacteria from your Verizon
Wireless BlackBerry. I worry about getting the bad type from ordinary public
phones :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 

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Re: Mac Scrolling

[zryip theSlug]

2010/4/21 Graham & Heather Harrison :
> Jacqueline
>
> I get the same results in Safe Boot mode
>
> I loaded rev under OS X 10.6.2, now running 10.6.3. Send me another Mac which 
> can run Snow Leopard and I'll try that too.
>
> P.S. I don't use Tinkertool (quoted as example); I use MacPilot and only on 
> parameters which can be easily reset.

1) Open your message watcher (Menu Development -> Message watcher)
2) Checked if there is no pending message, and no front script
launched. If needed remove them.
3) Create a new stack
4) Drop a "Scrolling field" on it
5) Copy or type text in your field (10 or 15 lines to have a scroll bar)
6) In the field property, ask for vertical scrollbar

Now give a try to the scrollbar. What happens?


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Re: Why do human have appendices?

[jonathandlynch]

Some speculate that it serves as a repository for beneficial bacteria.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Petrides, M.D. Marian" 
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:04:29 
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Why do human have appendices?

The appendix is a vestigial organ, just like the coccyx is humankind's  
vestigial tail.

On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:16 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Well there are a number of theories there.
>
> Evolutionary theory suggests that humans have evolved from herbivores
> that needed appendices to house lots of gut flora to help digest  
> cellulose.
>
> Why do we still have appendices?  Well, just possibly they might be  
> there
> as a sort of stop-gap in the unlikely eventuality of having to go on  
> an
> all-grass diet for a spot.
>
> -
>
> Why has RunRev removed various capabilities that were there in earlier
> recensions of their software?
>
> *** Standalone building capabilities for, supposedly, deprecated
> operating systems:
>
>Mac Classic
>UNIX
>
>many others
>
> 
>
> As one updates / upgrades software / one's house / one's computer /  
> etc.
> it is generally the done thing to add enhancements that expand the  
> possibilities
> for that thing.
>
> However; when I put in a second toilet I don't do it at the expense  
> of the kitchen.
>
> When I put a second LightScribe DVD burner in my G4 Mac I didn't rip  
> out
> 3 of the Hard-drives.
>
> When I made a new computer desk so that I could snuggle my Linux  
> text box
> and my headless XP box right up next to my G4 linked monitor and  
> keyboard
> I still made sure I had easy access to my BBC Micro (very useful for  
> calming-down
> and modelling loops - in BBC BASIC - for implementing in RunRev  
> later).
>
> 
>
> On my G4 I have, amongst all the other 'Guff', RunRev 1.1.1 and  
> 2.0.1, so I
> can always "go back to the future" and run off a standalone for some  
> older
> OS; but, of course, a lot of the capabilities and features  
> introduced in later
> recensions of RunRev get lost.
>
> But who wants to feed grass to a cow and wait for it to sick up its  
> cud so
> that it is slightly more digestable for humans?
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.
> 
>
> Mr Mathewson holds a BA in Philosophy and this sometimes gets the
> better of him . . .  :)
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Re: Mac Scrolling

[J. Landman Gay]

Graham & Heather Harrison wrote:

Jacqueline

I get the same results in Safe Boot mode

I loaded rev under OS X 10.6.2, now running 10.6.3. Send me another
Mac which can run Snow Leopard and I'll try that too.

P.S. I don't use Tinkertool (quoted as example); I use MacPilot and
only on parameters which can be easily
reset.


I guess I don't know what to suggest then. I'm running Rev on both 
Leopard and Snow Leopard (desktop and laptop machines) without any 
scrollbar issues. I haven't heard of anyone else having the problem 
either so it's hard to know what might be the problem. I suppose you 
could try re-downloading and reinstalling Rev, though that seems to be a 
workable solution mostly for Windows users.


One other thing to check would be to do a "get info" on the rev app 
itself, open the plug-ins pane, and make sure all the plugins are 
checked. Rev uses those to determine correct OS behavior. They are all 
checked by default when shipped though.


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Re: Mac Scrolling

[Graham & Heather Harrison]

Jacqueline

I get the same results in Safe Boot mode

I loaded rev under OS X 10.6.2, now running 10.6.3. Send me another Mac which 
can run Snow Leopard and I'll try that too.

P.S. I don't use Tinkertool (quoted as example); I use MacPilot and only on 
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Re: OT: Microsoft is really annoying

[Bob Sneidar]

Hi Wilhelm. 

I checked the URL with our corporate content filtering system and it came up 
clean, so the site seems reputable. However, I just read an article about how 
reputable sites are getting compromised, and either a redirect is put in place, 
or the site itself is being compromised. Simply visiting a compromised site can 
infect an unpatched machine. So it does not surprise me that your visiting a 
reputable site resulted in an infection. What DOES surprise me is that your 
antivirus (assuming it is up to date) did not catch it. Perhaps this happened 
before you installed the antivirus? 

The hsyfea.exe looks like a random file name, which was typical of a 
particularly nasty bit of malware I came across a while back called 
coolwebsearch. The installer installed several variants of itself using random 
file names, which required a program called HijackThis and a series of safe 
boots to remove the hijacker. Even then, with some flavors of the "adware" you 
never got all the pieces, and the recommendation at that point was a clean 
reinstall. 

The other one turned up some interesting google hits. I believe this to be a 
particularly nasty one, but if your Antivirus found it, then it should have 
prevented it, unless as I said, you got it before you installed Antivirus. If 
you got it first, then there is a possibility it installed a rootkit, in which 
case nothing but a wipe and reinstall to a new partition, and to be safe, a 
reset of the CMOS first, will guarantee it's removal. 

My condolences. 

Bob


On Apr 20, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> I tried to recapitulate what I could have done "terribly wrong". First, I 
> have got both a virus scanner running in the background and one which I 
> invoke manually from time to time.
> 
> I was searching for programs that use the Gluas-plugin for embedding the Lua 
> language for image processing and - among other sites - arrived at
> 
> 
> 
> which seems to be safe.
> 
> From there I clicked the link to "Pixarra TwistedBrush Pro" and that seems to 
> me to be the source of all the trouble, meaning simply just going to that 
> site. I did not download anything from the TwistedBrush site. This happened 
> twice, I will not test this a third time. Maybe anybody else could check?
> 
> The following malware was then installed on my WindowsXP computer:
> 
> Hsyfea.exe (in C:Windows)
> sshanas21.dll (in C:windows\system32)
> 
> which then seems to have launched the Microsoft Internet Explorer about every 
> 5 minutes (until I "disassembled" the Internet Explorer).--
> 
> Wilhelm Sanke

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Re: ANN: PopUp Menu with Key-Combination Shortcuts

[zryip theSlug]

2010/4/21 Roger Guay :
> I just uploaded a stack to Rev Online that shows a rather simple (I didn't 
> say elegant) way to make popup menus with key-combination shortcuts. Just 
> look for "Popup Menu w Shortcuts". I would appreciate any improvement 
> suggestions.
>
> Thanks and cheers,
> Roger Guay

Hi Roger,

Interesting demo, thanks for sharing ;)

Instead of the repeat loop to look for the correct item:

on controlKeyDown theKey
   set itemdelimiter to tab

repeat for the number of lines of btn "popupMenu" -- Menu items are
the "lines" of the Popup btn
   add 1 to theNum
   if last char of line theNum of btn "popupMenu" = theKey then \
   put item 1 of line theNum of btn "PopupMenu"  into fld "Rfld"
end repeat

   pass controlKeyDown
end controlKeyDown


You may use the lineOffset function like this:

 get lineOffset("ctrl+" & theKey,btn "popupMenu")
 if (it is 0) then
  put "Nothing" into fld "Rfld"
 else
  put item 1 of line it of btn "PopupMenu"  into fld "Rfld"
 end if

Just a suggestion to facilitate the work of Revolution ;)


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Re: Mac Scrolling

[J. Landman Gay]

Graham & Heather Harrison wrote:

Jacqueline,

Let's go back to the start, as we seem to diverging wildly at the
moment.

Yes, double arrows, at the bottom, can be set in Sys
Prefs/Appearance. Double arrows at top AND bottom cannot. It can be
set by the programs I mentioned. I have verified that this setting is
not the cause of the double-click in the channel problem.


Okay. But what version of OS X are you using? That may matter.



You said that the "go to here" would probably require scripting
because the default uses the pageinc property. I was enquiring as to
how to go about this scripting. Perhaps I need to spend more time
looking up property settings.


Maybe, but given the problem, I don't think changing property settings 
will help. Rev's IDE is already set up to behave as you expect. The 
default behavior of a scrollbar's property settings is to do what the OS 
normally does.




The only non-standard behaviour left is the double-click in the
channel problem. I am not sure how to determine if that is due to my
settings - is there a list of known previous incompatibilities with
rev? And if I can't find anything, are you saying that it would be
very difficult to impose single-click over the abnormal double-click?


There have been no reports of abnormal scrollbar behavior in the ten 
years I've been using Rev. They work okay for me and as far as I know, 
they work okay for others too. The bug database has no reports about it, 
and no one on the list has mentioned it (and this list has most of the 
hard-core pros who date back for a very long time.)


So yes, it would be hard for you to script the desired behavior, because 
what you want to do is the default behavior that should just happen.


One thing you can try is to reboot your system with the shift key held 
down, which will eliminate all third-party add-ons. If that fixes the 
problem it may give you an idea of what may be interfering. On the other 
hand, anything you've changed with Tinkertool is permanently written to 
the system files, so those changes would persist.


Alternately (or maybe even better): can you find another Mac to test on? 
One that hasn't been altered with Tinkertool or some other product?


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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: Why do human have appendices?

[Richmond Mathewson]

 On 21/04/2010 22:38, Mark Swindell wrote:

Not ignoring similes (or smilies).  Just passing on some information I thought 
quite interesting that has only recently come to light, and which answers one 
of the age-old questions that is, in fact, the subject line of the thread... 
why does humans has appendices?  :)

Mark


However, RunRev seems not to have an appendix to repopulate what has 
been removed.



On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


On 21/04/2010 19:26, Mark Swindell wrote:

I recently read that there may be a value to the appendix... it may be a 
breeding place for helpful bacteria to repopulate the gut after it's been 
decimated of its normal stock. Here's a link.

http://www.livescience.com/health/090824-appendix-evolution.html

Mark


Some people, either willingly, or unknowingly, are
avoiding my simile. . .   :)

I wonder why?
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Re: Why do human have appendices?

[Mark Swindell]

Not ignoring similes (or smilies).  Just passing on some information I thought 
quite interesting that has only recently come to light, and which answers one 
of the age-old questions that is, in fact, the subject line of the thread... 
why does humans has appendices?  :)

Mark

On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> On 21/04/2010 19:26, Mark Swindell wrote:
>> I recently read that there may be a value to the appendix... it may be a 
>> breeding place for helpful bacteria to repopulate the gut after it's been 
>> decimated of its normal stock. Here's a link.
>> 
>> http://www.livescience.com/health/090824-appendix-evolution.html
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
> Some people, either willingly, or unknowingly, are
> avoiding my simile. . .   :)
> 
> I wonder why?
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ANN: PopUp Menu with Key-Combination Shortcuts

[Roger Guay]

I just uploaded a stack to Rev Online that shows a rather simple (I didn't say 
elegant) way to make popup menus with key-combination shortcuts. Just look for 
"Popup Menu w Shortcuts". I would appreciate any improvement suggestions.

Thanks and cheers,
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Re: Datagrid sorting

[Andre.Bisseret]

Bonjour Marcello,


Le 21 avr. 10 à 18:10, Marcello Bertoli a écrit :


Hi all,

I need to sort the lines of a datagrid with more than one criteria.

For instance:

The datagrid represents invoices with these columns:

- invoice date
- invoice number
- invoice title

When I click on the invoice date header I would like to sort the  
lines of the invoice datagrid first by invoice date and then by  
number.


Is it possible?

I think yes! Assuming for instance you want the dates sorted from the  
oldest down to the more recent
and then, for each date, the numbers should be sorted from the smaller  
down to the greater


you should sort the numbers column first then the dates' column.
Something like that:

on mouseUp
##setting the sort type value for each column
   set the dgColumnSortType["date"] of grp "datagrid 1" to "system  
dateTime"

   set the dgColumnSortType["number"] of grp "datagrid 1" to "numeric"
   set the dgColumnSortType["title"] of grp "datagrid 1" to text
## making sure the two columns will have the same sortDirection if  
necessary
   set the dgColumnSortDirection["date"] of grp "datagrid 1" to  
"ascending"
   set the dgColumnSortDirection["number"] of grp "datagrid 1" to  
"ascending"

## sort "number" first then "date"
   dispatch "sortByColumn" to grp "datagrid 1" with "number"
   dispatch "sortByColumn" to grp "datagrid 1" with "date"
end mouseUp

HTH
Best regards from Grenoble

André



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Re: Why do human have appendices?

[Richmond Mathewson]

 On 21/04/2010 19:26, Mark Swindell wrote:

I recently read that there may be a value to the appendix... it may be a 
breeding place for helpful bacteria to repopulate the gut after it's been 
decimated of its normal stock. Here's a link.

http://www.livescience.com/health/090824-appendix-evolution.html

Mark


Some people, either willingly, or unknowingly, are
avoiding my simile. . .   :)

I wonder why?
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Re: Why do human have appendices?

[Mark Swindell]

I recently read that there may be a value to the appendix... it may be a 
breeding place for helpful bacteria to repopulate the gut after it's been 
decimated of its normal stock. Here's a link.

http://www.livescience.com/health/090824-appendix-evolution.html

Mark

On Apr 21, 2010, at 6:04 AM, Petrides, M.D. Marian wrote:

> The appendix is a vestigial organ, just like the coccyx is humankind's 
> vestigial tail.
> 
> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:16 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> 
>> Well there are a number of theories there.
>> 
>> Evolutionary theory suggests that humans have evolved from herbivores
>> that needed appendices to house lots of gut flora to help digest cellulose.
>> 
>> Why do we still have appendices?  Well, just possibly they might be there
>> as a sort of stop-gap in the unlikely eventuality of having to go on an
>> all-grass diet for a spot.
>> 
>> -
>> 
>> Why has RunRev removed various capabilities that were there in earlier
>> recensions of their software?
>> 
>> *** Standalone building capabilities for, supposedly, deprecated
>>operating systems:
>> 
>>   Mac Classic
>>   UNIX
>> 
>>   many others
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As one updates / upgrades software / one's house / one's computer / etc.
>> it is generally the done thing to add enhancements that expand the 
>> possibilities
>> for that thing.
>> 
>> However; when I put in a second toilet I don't do it at the expense of the 
>> kitchen.
>> 
>> When I put a second LightScribe DVD burner in my G4 Mac I didn't rip out
>> 3 of the Hard-drives.
>> 
>> When I made a new computer desk so that I could snuggle my Linux text box
>> and my headless XP box right up next to my G4 linked monitor and keyboard
>> I still made sure I had easy access to my BBC Micro (very useful for 
>> calming-down
>> and modelling loops - in BBC BASIC - for implementing in RunRev later).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On my G4 I have, amongst all the other 'Guff', RunRev 1.1.1 and 2.0.1, so I
>> can always "go back to the future" and run off a standalone for some older
>> OS; but, of course, a lot of the capabilities and features introduced in 
>> later
>> recensions of RunRev get lost.
>> 
>> But who wants to feed grass to a cow and wait for it to sick up its cud so
>> that it is slightly more digestable for humans?
>> 
>> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.
>> 
>> 
>> Mr Mathewson holds a BA in Philosophy and this sometimes gets the
>> better of him . . .  :)
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Re: Datagrid sorting

[stephen barncard]

If the data is coming from a SQL database, make the query do the work of the
multiple sorting before loading into a datagrid.

On 21 April 2010 09:10, Marcello Bertoli  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I need to sort the lines of a datagrid with more than one criteria.
>
> For instance:
>
> The datagrid represents invoices with these columns:
>
> - invoice date
> - invoice number
> - invoice title
>
> When I click on the invoice date header I would like to sort the lines of
> the invoice datagrid first by invoice date and then by number.
>
> Is it possible?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Best
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Datagrid sorting

[Marcello Bertoli]

Hi all,

I need to sort the lines of a datagrid with more than one criteria.

For instance:

The datagrid represents invoices with these columns:

- invoice date
- invoice number
- invoice title

When I click on the invoice date header I would like to sort the lines of the 
invoice datagrid first by invoice date and then by number.

Is it possible?

Thanks in advance
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Re: Sending a message to multiple objects

[Peter Haworth]

Thanks for the suggestions.

I knew about the dispatch command (and send).  And yes, any control on  
any card in my app could be interested in the message I want to  
generate, not just the current card so would have to modify the loop  
but I think I have code to iterate through every stack/card/control  
already in place..


Basically what I'm trying to do is have controls which display data  
from my SQLite database (mostly datagrids) refresh the data when it  
gets changed outside the stack they reside on so it would be a small  
percentage of the controls that would have an interest in the message.


I had thought of creating a registry of controls that have an interest  
when data in a particular table in the database changes.  Perhaps a  
custom property in each stack that holds a list of interested controls  
when the data is changed in that stack, then key the dispatch commands  
off that custom property.  Could be complicated to keep up to date  
though.


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Re: [OT] Flash - Open Source

[stephen barncard]

although, it's not open source...

On 21 April 2010 08:21, stephen barncard wrote:

> So is the Yahoo medial player - free, the most simple to use I've ever seen
> and doesn't use flash:
>
> http://mediaplayer.yahoo.com/
>
>
> -
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Re: [OT] Flash - Open Source

[stephen barncard]

So is the Yahoo medial player - free, the most simple to use I've ever seen
and doesn't use flash:

http://mediaplayer.yahoo.com/

On 20 April 2010 13:26, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

>  Well worth a look:
>
> http://flowplayer.org/index.html
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Re: Why do human have appendices?

[Luis]

Sometimes we forego the line for the sake of the curve...

Cheers,

Luis.

On 21 Apr 2010, at 14:00, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


 On 21/04/2010 13:25, Luis wrote:

'Cos it sounds flashier than Indexes.

Cheers,

Luis.



However, last time I bothered to look the plural of 'index'
was 'indices'; but, then, of course, some people who are
supposedly native English speakers have problems with
the plural of 'formula' (i.e. formulae) . . .  :)
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Re: Why do human have appendices?

[Petrides, M.D. Marian]

The appendix is a vestigial organ, just like the coccyx is humankind's  
vestigial tail.


On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:16 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


Well there are a number of theories there.

Evolutionary theory suggests that humans have evolved from herbivores
that needed appendices to house lots of gut flora to help digest  
cellulose.


Why do we still have appendices?  Well, just possibly they might be  
there
as a sort of stop-gap in the unlikely eventuality of having to go on  
an

all-grass diet for a spot.

-

Why has RunRev removed various capabilities that were there in earlier
recensions of their software?

*** Standalone building capabilities for, supposedly, deprecated
operating systems:

   Mac Classic
   UNIX

   many others



As one updates / upgrades software / one's house / one's computer /  
etc.
it is generally the done thing to add enhancements that expand the  
possibilities

for that thing.

However; when I put in a second toilet I don't do it at the expense  
of the kitchen.


When I put a second LightScribe DVD burner in my G4 Mac I didn't rip  
out

3 of the Hard-drives.

When I made a new computer desk so that I could snuggle my Linux  
text box
and my headless XP box right up next to my G4 linked monitor and  
keyboard
I still made sure I had easy access to my BBC Micro (very useful for  
calming-down
and modelling loops - in BBC BASIC - for implementing in RunRev  
later).




On my G4 I have, amongst all the other 'Guff', RunRev 1.1.1 and  
2.0.1, so I
can always "go back to the future" and run off a standalone for some  
older
OS; but, of course, a lot of the capabilities and features  
introduced in later

recensions of RunRev get lost.

But who wants to feed grass to a cow and wait for it to sick up its  
cud so

that it is slightly more digestable for humans?

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


Mr Mathewson holds a BA in Philosophy and this sometimes gets the
better of him . . .  :)
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Re: Why do human have appendices?

[Richmond Mathewson]

 On 21/04/2010 13:25, Luis wrote:

'Cos it sounds flashier than Indexes.

Cheers,

Luis.



However, last time I bothered to look the plural of 'index'
was 'indices'; but, then, of course, some people who are
supposedly native English speakers have problems with
the plural of 'formula' (i.e. formulae) . . .  :)
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Re: Why do human have appendices?

[Richmond Mathewson]

 On 21/04/2010 13:25, Luis wrote:

'Cos it sounds flashier than Indexes.

Cheers,

Luis.



Bravo! The perfect riposte!
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[DataGrid] scrolling with and without scrollbar visible

[Andre.Bisseret]

Bonjour,

Not a pressing problem; but just to better understand the dataGrid  
functionning:


The dataGrid docs says:
"scroll when hscrollbar is hidden
scroll when vscrollbar is hidden
- By default a data grid will not respond to the mouse scroll wheel,  
page up, page down, home or
end if the scrollbar is hidden. Set this property to true if you would  
like to override this behavior. This

is useful if you want to create custom scrollbars."

So
Have a dataGrid whose
- the dgProp["show Vscrollbar"] is false
- dgProp["scroll when vscrollbar is hidden"] is false

Then:
- the mouse scroll wheel does'nt work : OK, expected

But,
1 - the arrow keys "page up" and "page down" are working (get the  
dataGrid scrolling with them)


2 -  if I create an external custom vertical scrollbar,
   or, as well, if I create a scrolling field with which I coordinate  
the dgVScroll, then it works


From the doc I understand it should not work (case 1 or 2 as well);
am I missing something?

---
The same (2) happens with Hscrollbar hidden and "dgProp["scroll when  
Hscrollbar is hidden"] is false


I can't verify the effect of "home" and "end" keys as they do nothing  
on the dataGrid regardless of the setting (hscrollbar visible or not  
and "scroll when hscrollbar is hidden" true or false) Don't know why?  
(could be a setting of my system (Mac OS X) I am not aware of?


Thanks in advance for any explanation

Best regards from Grenoble

André

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Re: Why do human have appendices?

[Luis]

'Cos it sounds flashier than Indexes.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 21 Apr 2010, at 09:16, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


 Well there are a number of theories there.

Evolutionary theory suggests that humans have evolved from herbivores
that needed appendices to house lots of gut flora to help digest  
cellulose.


Why do we still have appendices?  Well, just possibly they might be  
there
as a sort of stop-gap in the unlikely eventuality of having to go  
on an

all-grass diet for a spot.

-- 
---


Why has RunRev removed various capabilities that were there in earlier
recensions of their software?

*** Standalone building capabilities for, supposedly, deprecated
 operating systems:

Mac Classic
UNIX

many others

-- 
--


As one updates / upgrades software / one's house / one's computer /  
etc.
it is generally the done thing to add enhancements that expand the  
possibilities

for that thing.

However; when I put in a second toilet I don't do it at the expense  
of the kitchen.


When I put a second LightScribe DVD burner in my G4 Mac I didn't  
rip out

3 of the Hard-drives.

When I made a new computer desk so that I could snuggle my Linux  
text box
and my headless XP box right up next to my G4 linked monitor and  
keyboard
I still made sure I had easy access to my BBC Micro (very useful  
for calming-down
and modelling loops - in BBC BASIC - for implementing in RunRev  
later).


-- 
--


On my G4 I have, amongst all the other 'Guff', RunRev 1.1.1 and  
2.0.1, so I
can always "go back to the future" and run off a standalone for  
some older
OS; but, of course, a lot of the capabilities and features  
introduced in later

recensions of RunRev get lost.

But who wants to feed grass to a cow and wait for it to sick up its  
cud so

that it is slightly more digestable for humans?

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


Mr Mathewson holds a BA in Philosophy and this sometimes gets the
better of him . . .  :)
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Why do human have appendices?

[Richmond Mathewson]

 Well there are a number of theories there.

Evolutionary theory suggests that humans have evolved from herbivores
that needed appendices to house lots of gut flora to help digest cellulose.

Why do we still have appendices?  Well, just possibly they might be there
as a sort of stop-gap in the unlikely eventuality of having to go on an
all-grass diet for a spot.

-

Why has RunRev removed various capabilities that were there in earlier
recensions of their software?

*** Standalone building capabilities for, supposedly, deprecated
 operating systems:

Mac Classic
UNIX

many others



As one updates / upgrades software / one's house / one's computer / etc.
it is generally the done thing to add enhancements that expand the 
possibilities

for that thing.

However; when I put in a second toilet I don't do it at the expense of 
the kitchen.


When I put a second LightScribe DVD burner in my G4 Mac I didn't rip out
3 of the Hard-drives.

When I made a new computer desk so that I could snuggle my Linux text box
and my headless XP box right up next to my G4 linked monitor and keyboard
I still made sure I had easy access to my BBC Micro (very useful for 
calming-down

and modelling loops - in BBC BASIC - for implementing in RunRev later).



On my G4 I have, amongst all the other 'Guff', RunRev 1.1.1 and 2.0.1, so I
can always "go back to the future" and run off a standalone for some older
OS; but, of course, a lot of the capabilities and features introduced in 
later

recensions of RunRev get lost.

But who wants to feed grass to a cow and wait for it to sick up its cud so
that it is slightly more digestable for humans?

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


Mr Mathewson holds a BA in Philosophy and this sometimes gets the
better of him . . .  :)
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Re: Mac Scrolling

[Graham & Heather Harrison]

You may prefer the interface and features you get here -
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/runrev?lnk=srg

Looks good too. Thanks 
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Re: Mac Scrolling

[David Bovill]

You may prefer the interface and features you get here -
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/runrev?lnk=srg

On 21 Apr 2010, at 01:19, Graham & Heather Harrison 
wrote:

>>> 1. Is there a way to search the archives?
>>
>> Here's the url I use:
>>
>> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user
>>
>> --
>> Nicolas Cueto
>
> Thank you. Looks like it will be a great help.
>
> Graham
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Re: [OT] Flash - Open Source

[David Bovill]

This is an example of one of the open source projects that sprung up
after Adobe launched it's open source strategy, there are other great
ones like Flixl. It's an example of the sort of benefits we'd get if
RunRev adopted a proactive open source marketing strategy of this
sort. Note the license attached to the code is GPL.

On 20 Apr 2010, at 21:26, Richmond Mathewson  wrote:

> Well worth a look:
>
> http://flowplayer.org/index.html
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Re: Get Client IP Address?

[Rick Harrison]

Hi Sarah,

Perfect!  Thanks

Rick

On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:14 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> ...
> Among the elements of this array is $_SERVER["REMOTE_ADDR"] which
> contains the IP address of the client.
> 
> Check out  for the other
> elements in this array.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah

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