Re: RevMobile Discussions

2010-10-03 Thread David Bovill
On 3 October 2010 00:33, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote:


 I would still hope we can talk about things here, because much of it would
 be of general interest, mobile is becoming more important in general, and
 even though I'm interested in mobile, I'm not interested in yet another
 email list!


Yes - please not another email list, yahoo group, forum, paid for
improvements something. Can we not have a well thought out community
development strategy, that includes modern collaborative techniques? In the
mean time let's at least use one email list, as it works - in a sort of last
century way.
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Re: RevMobile Discussions

2010-10-03 Thread René Micout
YES !

Le 3 oct. 2010 à 14:28, David Bovill a écrit :

 On 3 October 2010 00:33, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 
 I would still hope we can talk about things here, because much of it would
 be of general interest, mobile is becoming more important in general, and
 even though I'm interested in mobile, I'm not interested in yet another
 email list!
 
 
 Yes - please not another email list, yahoo group, forum, paid for
 improvements something. Can we not have a well thought out community
 development strategy, that includes modern collaborative techniques? In the
 mean time let's at least use one email list, as it works - in a sort of last
 century way.
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Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Yves COPPE

Hi list

I have a list of lines
each line has a first name  tab  a date (French format : DD/MM/)

I want to sort the list on the DD/MM date without taking the  into  
account


Here a sample :

Jean13/01/2017
Luc 03/07/2017
Bern02/09/2015
Michel  06/01/2018
Bert01/06/2016
Jo  13/02/2016
Rob 26/03/2018
Nick15/01/2015

gives

Michel  06/01/2018
Jean13/01/2017
Nick15/01/2015
Jo  13/02/2016
Rob 26/03/2018
Bert01/06/2016
Luc 03/07/2017
Bern02/09/2015

Can someone help me to to that ?

Thanks.

Amicalement.

Yves COPPE
yvesco...@skynet.be



Greetings.

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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi Yves,

What about this:

set the itemDel to slash
sort lines of myList by item 2 of (word 2 of each) and item 1 of  
(word 2 of each)


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Op 3-okt-2010, om 15:57 heeft Yves COPPE het volgende geschreven:


Hi list

I have a list of lines
each line has a first name  tab  a date (French format : DD/MM/)

I want to sort the list on the DD/MM date without taking the   
into account


Here a sample :

Jean13/01/2017
Luc 03/07/2017
Bern02/09/2015
Michel  06/01/2018
Bert01/06/2016
Jo  13/02/2016
Rob 26/03/2018
Nick15/01/2015

gives

Michel  06/01/2018
Jean13/01/2017
Nick15/01/2015
Jo  13/02/2016
Rob 26/03/2018
Bert01/06/2016
Luc 03/07/2017
Bern02/09/2015

Can someone help me to to that ?

Thanks.

Amicalement.

Yves COPPE
yvesco...@skynet.be


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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Yves COPPE


Le 03-oct.-10 à 16:04, Mark Schonewille a écrit :


Hi Yves,

What about this:

set the itemDel to slash
sort lines of myList by item 2 of (word 2 of each) and item 1 of  
(word 2 of each)






Re,

No, I don't receive the right answer
it gives :

Jean13/01/2017
Luc 03/07/2017
Bern02/09/2015
Michel  06/01/2018
Bert01/06/2016
Jo  13/02/2016
Rob 26/03/2018
Nick15/01/2015

but the right answer is :

Michel  06/01/2018
Jean13/01/2017
Nick15/01/2015
Jo  13/02/2016
Rob 26/03/2018
Bert01/06/2016
Luc 03/07/2017
Bern02/09/2015




Hi list

I have a list of lines
each line has a first name  tab  a date (French format : DD/MM/ 
)


I want to sort the list on the DD/MM date without taking the   
into account


Here a sample :

Jean13/01/2017
Luc 03/07/2017
Bern02/09/2015
Michel  06/01/2018
Bert01/06/2016
Jo  13/02/2016
Rob 26/03/2018
Nick15/01/2015

gives

Michel  06/01/2018
Jean13/01/2017
Nick15/01/2015
Jo  13/02/2016
Rob 26/03/2018
Bert01/06/2016
Luc 03/07/2017
Bern02/09/2015

Can someone help me to to that ?

Thanks.

Amicalement.

Yves COPPE
yvesco...@skynet.be


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Amicalement.

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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread wayne durden
I think that just missed the year...

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Yves COPPE yvesco...@skynet.be wrote:


 Le 03-oct.-10 à 16:04, Mark Schonewille a écrit :


  Hi Yves,

 What about this:

 set the itemDel to slash
 sort lines of myList by item 2 of (word 2 of each) and item 1 of (word 2
 of each)




 Re,

 No, I don't receive the right answer
 it gives :


 Jean13/01/2017
 Luc 03/07/2017
 Bern02/09/2015
 Michel  06/01/2018
 Bert01/06/2016
 Jo  13/02/2016
 Rob 26/03/2018
 Nick15/01/2015

 but the right answer is :


 Michel  06/01/2018
 Jean13/01/2017
 Nick15/01/2015
 Jo  13/02/2016
 Rob 26/03/2018
 Bert01/06/2016
 Luc 03/07/2017
 Bern02/09/2015



  Hi list

 I have a list of lines
 each line has a first name  tab  a date (French format : DD/MM/)

 I want to sort the list on the DD/MM date without taking the  into
 account

 Here a sample :

 Jean13/01/2017
 Luc 03/07/2017
 Bern02/09/2015
 Michel  06/01/2018
 Bert01/06/2016
 Jo  13/02/2016
 Rob 26/03/2018
 Nick15/01/2015

 gives

 Michel  06/01/2018
 Jean13/01/2017
 Nick15/01/2015
 Jo  13/02/2016
 Rob 26/03/2018
 Bert01/06/2016
 Luc 03/07/2017
 Bern02/09/2015

 Can someone help me to to that ?

 Thanks.

 Amicalement.

 Yves COPPE
 yvesco...@skynet.be


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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Jim Ault
Use the technique of sorting by a function call for each line to set a  
value.


on testSort
   put the clipboarddata into theListOfFriends
   sort theListOfFriends numeric ascending by sortByThisValue(each)

   ;put theListOfFriends
end testSort

function sortByThisValue singleLineOfList
 set the itemdel to /
 get word 2 of item 1 of singleLineOfList  /  item 2 of  
singleLineOfList  /  01

   --English system -- remove the next line
 get  item 2 of singleLineOfList   /  word 2 of item 1 of  
singleLineOfList  /  01

 convert IT to seconds
  return IT
end sortByThisValue

This should do the task you want


On Oct 3, 2010, at 6:57 AM, Yves COPPE wrote:


Hi list

I have a list of lines
each line has a first name  tab  a date (French format : DD/MM/)

I want to sort the list on the DD/MM date without taking the   
into account


Here a sample :

Jean13/01/2017
Luc 03/07/2017
Bern02/09/2015
Michel  06/01/2018
Bert01/06/2016
Jo  13/02/2016
Rob 26/03/2018
Nick15/01/2015

gives

Michel  06/01/2018
Jean13/01/2017
Nick15/01/2015
Jo  13/02/2016
Rob 26/03/2018
Bert01/06/2016
Luc 03/07/2017
Bern02/09/2015

Can someone help me to to that ?



Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Ben Rubinstein
This is really the same as Mark suggested, but should work even if the numbers 
aren't zero padded:


function sortByMonthAndDay tText
   set the itemDelimiter to /
   sort lines of tText ascending numeric by item 1 of (word 2 of each)
   sort lines of tText ascending numeric by item 2 of (word 2 of each)
   return tText
end mouseUp

(I think Mark probably meant  instead of and)

Ben

On 03/10/2010 15:14, Yves COPPE wrote:


Le 03-oct.-10 à 16:04, Mark Schonewille a écrit :


Hi Yves,

What about this:

set the itemDel to slash
sort lines of myList by item 2 of (word 2 of each) and item 1 of (word 2 of
each)





Re,

No, I don't receive the right answer

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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Yves COPPE


Le 03-oct.-10 à 16:31, Jim Ault a écrit :

Use the technique of sorting by a function call for each line to set  
a value.


on testSort
  put the clipboarddata into theListOfFriends
  sort theListOfFriends numeric ascending by sortByThisValue(each)

  ;put theListOfFriends
end testSort

function sortByThisValue singleLineOfList
set the itemdel to /
get word 2 of item 1 of singleLineOfList  /  item 2 of  
singleLineOfList  /  01

  --English system -- remove the next line
get  item 2 of singleLineOfList   /  word 2 of item 1 of  
singleLineOfList  /  01

convert IT to seconds
 return IT
end sortByThisValue

This should do the task you want




re,

ye  !!
thank you

Greetings.

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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Colin Holgate
Ben, wouldn't yours just end up with it sorted the second way?

Mark's does work if you use 



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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Mike Bonner
Changing the first suggestion

set the itemDel to slash
sort lines of myList by item 2 of (word 2 of each) and item 1 of (word 2 of
each)

to

set the itemDel to slash
sort lines of myList by item 2 of (word 2 of each) ** item 1 of (word 2 of
each)

works for this also as long as the data is always 2 digit format. Barring
that, just doing 2 consecutive numeric sorts on the appropriate key will
work.
Can you use the  version and specify sort type individually for each
part?
IE: sort blah blah by item 1  item 2, 1 numeric, the other alphabetic?

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Ben Rubinstein benr...@cogapp.com wrote:

 This is really the same as Mark suggested, but should work even if the
 numbers aren't zero padded:

 function sortByMonthAndDay tText
   set the itemDelimiter to /
   sort lines of tText ascending numeric by item 1 of (word 2 of each)
   sort lines of tText ascending numeric by item 2 of (word 2 of each)
   return tText
 end mouseUp

 (I think Mark probably meant  instead of and)

 Ben


 On 03/10/2010 15:14, Yves COPPE wrote:


 Le 03-oct.-10 à 16:04, Mark Schonewille a écrit :

  Hi Yves,

 What about this:

 set the itemDel to slash
 sort lines of myList by item 2 of (word 2 of each) and item 1 of (word 2
 of
 each)




 Re,

 No, I don't receive the right answer

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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Yves COPPE


Le 03-oct.-10 à 16:32, Ben Rubinstein a écrit :

This is really the same as Mark suggested, but should work even if  
the numbers aren't zero padded:


function sortByMonthAndDay tText
  set the itemDelimiter to /
  sort lines of tText ascending numeric by item 1 of (word 2 of each)
  sort lines of tText ascending numeric by item 2 of (word 2 of each)
  return tText
end mouseUp

(I think Mark probably meant  instead of and)



Hi Ben,

it works fine  !!
thank you

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Yves COPPE


Le 03-oct.-10 à 16:32, Ben Rubinstein a écrit :

This is really the same as Mark suggested, but should work even if  
the numbers aren't zero padded:


function sortByMonthAndDay tText
  set the itemDelimiter to /
  sort lines of tText ascending numeric by item 1 of (word 2 of each)
  sort lines of tText ascending numeric by item 2 of (word 2 of each)
  return tText
end mouseUp

(I think Mark probably meant  instead of and)

Ben






hi Ben

I still have a problem

some first names have 2 words !!!

and the sort is not correct

Should it be possible to sort on item 2 (tab delim of the list) and  
reorder the lsit afterwards ??



Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvesco...@skynet.be

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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Jim Ault

use word -1 of item 1 of blahblah

to get the last word



On Oct 3, 2010, at 7:43 AM, Yves COPPE wrote:



Le 03-oct.-10 à 16:32, Ben Rubinstein a écrit :

This is really the same as Mark suggested, but should work even if  
the numbers aren't zero padded:


function sortByMonthAndDay tText
 set the itemDelimiter to /
 sort lines of tText ascending numeric by item 1 of (word 2 of each)
 sort lines of tText ascending numeric by item 2 of (word 2 of each)
 return tText
end mouseUp

(I think Mark probably meant  instead of and)

Ben






hi Ben

I still have a problem

some first names have 2 words !!!

and the sort is not correct

Should it be possible to sort on item 2 (tab delim of the list) and  
reorder the lsit afterwards ??



Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvesco...@skynet.be

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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Colin Holgate

On Oct 3, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Yves COPPE wrote:

 
 some first names have 2 words !!!
 


Go back to using Mark's way, with  instead of 'and', and also say 'last word 
of each' instead of 'word 2 of each'.



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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Yves COPPE


Le 03-oct.-10 à 16:47, Jim Ault a écrit :


use word -1 of item 1 of blahblah

to get the last word





ok
thank you


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Yves COPPE


Le 03-oct.-10 à 16:49, Colin Holgate a écrit :


ok
thank you


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi,

 won't always workshop corrector. Probably you neef to use 'and' and sort 
numeric.

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Op 3 okt. 2010 om 16:39 heeft Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com het volgende 
geschreven:

 Changing the first suggestion
 
 set the itemDel to slash
 sort lines of myList by item 2 of (word 2 of each) and item 1 of (word 2 of
 each)
 
 to
 
 set the itemDel to slash
 sort lines of myList by item 2 of (word 2 of each) ** item 1 of (word 2 of
 each)
 
 works for this also as long as the data is always 2 digit format. Barring
 that, just doing 2 consecutive numeric sorts on the appropriate key will
 work.
 Can you use the  version and specify sort type individually for each
 part?
 IE: sort blah blah by item 1  item 2, 1 numeric, the other alphabetic?

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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Colin Holgate

On Oct 3, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

  won't always workshop corrector. Probably you neef to use 'and' and sort 
 numeric.


I think your spell checker doesn't alway walk correctly either.



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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Ben Rubinstein

On 03/10/2010 15:39, Colin Holgate wrote:

Ben, wouldn't yours just end up with it sorted the second way?

Mark's does work if you use


No, because Rev doesn't move lines if they have the same value on the sort 
expression.  So two sort commands in succession have the desired effect - the 
first establishes a secondary sort, the second imposes the primary sort.


Jean13/01/2017
Luc 03/07/2017
Bern02/09/2015
Michel  06/01/2018
Bert01/06/2016
Jo  13/02/2016
Rob 26/03/2018
Nick15/01/2015

is sorted as

Michel  06/01/2018
Jean13/01/2017
Nick15/01/2015
Jo  13/02/2016
Rob 26/03/2018
Bert01/06/2016
Luc 03/07/2017
Bern02/09/2015


However as Yves points out it would be better to have replaced word 2 of 
each with last word of each.


Mark's does indeed work (if his fingers hadn't misrepresented what his mind 
knew) and is probably faster - but depends on having zero padding of the 
month/date so that alpha sorting will equate to numeric sorting.


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Re: Sort question

2010-10-03 Thread Mark Schonewille
Oops, that's the iPhone. I meant: won't always work correctly. You need to use 
'and' and sort numeric.

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Op 3 okt. 2010 om 17:09 heeft Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net het volgende 
geschreven:

 
 On Oct 3, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
 
  won't always workshop corrector. Probably you neef to use 'and' and sort 
 numeric.
 
 
 I think your spell checker doesn't alway walk correctly either.
 
 
 
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Re: RevMobile Discussions

2010-10-03 Thread Michael D Mays
On Oct 2, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

 
 On Oct 2, 2010, at 7:16 PM, Michael D Mays wrote:
 
 Back in March and April in the pre-Alpha release notices there was mention 
 of setting up a such discussion group. The release in August did not. I was 
 hoping it had been set up.
 
 
 I would still hope we can talk about things here, because much of it would be 
 of general interest, mobile is becoming more important in general, and even 
 though I'm interested in mobile, I'm not interested in yet another email list!

Aside from talking about talking RevMobile here I would think that in general 
discussions about alpha software might need to be somewhat private about some 
things and have more active/visible participation by the developers of the 
software. 

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adding new object to background group

2010-10-03 Thread Mark Smith

I'd like to add a button to an existing background group, but RR/LC is
telling me if I do that I am going to loose the background with that group
on it from all previous cards. And it does.

Here's what I did. Added the button. Selected the existing background group
(group 1031) and the new object and selected group. I get a warning that if
I do this I will loose the background from existing cards, I say ok. Sure
enough the current card and all future cards (now group 1095) contain the
new button, and all previous cards are blank (because the whole card was
just a background obj). 

What I would really like to do is edit group 1031 to add a new button and
have it inherited on all previous cards. Is there a way to do that? I guess
putting this more generically, is there a way to edit a background group and
not loose all of the cards that previous had this group?

Thanks

-- Mark

PS I did get the compiling thing working (thank you for all you help). I'm
using the following at the moment (largely because of its simplicity) and it
works fine.

on preopenstack
   lock screen -- prevents the user from seeing what's going on
   hide this stack -- so they don't see it, same as set visible of stack
mystack to true
   go to stack /Users/Mark/runrev/stacks/Notepad/Notepad3.rev
end preopenstack

-- note this stack can be hard to edit subsequently because the preopenstack
message
-- hides the stack. You can get around this by using the application
browser, finding the stack
-- 'startup' and clicking on it. This will make it visible again.

The two things I had to learn in this scenario are 1) you must use the
extension .rev or the 'go to stack' function will not work and 2) you must
provide the full path.

-- Mark

PPSS I've bookmarked the more complex solution that allows storing the
notepad stack in the osx bundle (keep in mind I am referring to things I
don't even know what they are) and will work through it later.

Thanks again


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Re: Storing an Array as a Custom Property

2010-10-03 Thread Gregory Lypny
Hi Jacqueline,

Yes, I will.  But the documentation problem, both with the user guide and 
built-in help or dictionary, goes far beyond updating.  Good writing, examples, 
organization, and consistency in design take time.  If you type the word Array 
into the built-in help, the only hits you will get is for ArrayEncode and 
ArrayDecode but nothing for an array itself.  Someone new to LiveCode, who 
perhaps coincidentally got far enough into the user guide to come across 
arrays, would be hard-pressed to get any information about their uses or 
properties.  A benchmark for good documentation in my mind is the original 
HyperCard User Guide and HyperCard Reference Manual.  The writing is clean and 
the example code statements and handler snippets are carefully chosen to give 
the fullest scope of usage of the item in question.  Another is Mathematica's 
built-in documentation (and even their online documentation), where what they 
lack in Apple's writing and publishing suave, they make up for in 
comprehensiveness.  My recommendation for the Rev team would be to spend less 
time on rebranding and promotional splash screens and more polishing the 
software.

Regards,

Gregory


On Sun, Oct 3, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Jacqueline wrote:

 Message: 6
 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 16:06:45 -0500
 From: J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com
 Subject: Re: Storing an Array as a Custom Property
 To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
 Message-ID: 4ca79ee5.90...@hyperactivesw.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
 
 On 10/2/10 3:30 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:
 Thank you for your responses.  It's an interesting thread.  So, if
 I've understood correctly, the LiveCode manual is incorrect because
 arrays can, in fact, be stored as custom props.   Not one to
 complain, but probably the only thing that saps my productivity in
 working with Rev or LiveCode is the poor documentation and built-in
 dictionary.  This list, however, is indispensable!
 
 It would be good to report this in the QCC as a documentation error. 
 They try to find everything and update it with each new release, but 
 sometimes entries are accidentally overlooked. Documentation bugs almost 
 always get fixed quickly because they are so easy to fix.
 
 -- 
 Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
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loading a https page on OS X

2010-10-03 Thread Klaus on-rev
Hi all,

I tried to load a page from an https server and got of course an
error because the user certicitate was not found.

No username or password required for the site!

the result was:
error -Error with certificate at depth: 0  issuer  ...
...
...
err 20:unable to get local issuer certificate 

So since any internt browser can do this,  my question is how can I do?

Are there any generic certificates in some folder on the users hd that I can 
set the sslcerificates to?

I seem to remember that this was a topic on this list, but can't remember the 
thread title.

Any hint are very appreciated!


Best

Klaus

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Re: adding new object to background group

2010-10-03 Thread Ken Ray

Mark,

 I'd like to add a button to an existing background group, but RR/LC is
 telling me if I do that I am going to loose the background with that group
 on it from all previous cards. And it does.

I think you're confusing ungrouping with editing a group. You get this
warning if you try to ungroup a group that is shared among multiple cards,
but you can do what you want by:

1) Select the group you want to add the button to with the pointer tool.

2) Click Edit Group on the toolbar (NOT Ungroup). This will go into
the group, and anything outside of that group will be temporarily hidden.

3) Add your button to the card like normal.

4) Click the Edit Group button again on the toolbar to get out of the
group. You'll see the rest of the card objects show up at that time.


This will add the button to any cards that have the group you edited on it
(i.e. all the previous cards).

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: k...@sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


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Re: WINDOWS VERSION MENU PROBLEM - architect

2010-10-03 Thread Mark Smith

Hi Joe,

I agree. As my program grows finding all the bits and pieces will be
difficult. Having an option to save all scripts to text with some minimal
description (button script -- delete, stack script, etc) would allow to
browse all the code, get some idea of how it is organized as well as back it
up (and I tend to put a lot of comments in my code so it reinforces what I
am learning). It would be very useful. If its not in LC maybe we should send
a feature request?


Hi Mark,

I don't think it is a feature. I had to do it one at a time, but no big
deal. Saved a lot of time in rebuilding them. It would probably be a good
idea to save them routinely as I've lost them a number of times in the past
when I was experimenting. The more I think about it, there MUST be something
built into rev to do that. 




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Re: RevMobile Discussions

2010-10-03 Thread David Bovill
On 3 October 2010 17:40, Michael D Mays mich...@michaelsmanias.com wrote:


 Aside from talking about talking RevMobile here I would think that in
 general discussions about alpha software might need to be somewhat private
 about some things and have more active/visible participation by the
 developers of the software.


Definitely! We' all benefit from RunRev opening up the development dialogue
in a managed way. We'd get a heads up on what was coming and help shape and
fix bugs in the forthcoming product, and RunRev would get a happier
community and less bugs. It cant be done for everything, but it sure could
be done for a lot more things.

A classic example is the On-Rev client. Locking that thing up in a
standalone was completely pointless. Active members of the community could
have rolled their own versions of a client (ie based on an informal API),
that would have been orders of magnitude better than the current offering.

It would not have mattered if this API moved fast (it hasn't anyway), nor
would it matter if they withdrew the API / charged for it / locked things
down afterwards (as long as we knew this was a possibility up front).

We can only hope that this old-school business logic is replaced by a saner
cooperation with developers, a saner use of common technologies to integrate
the various lists, forums, and bug tracking, and an intelligent use of open
content licensing for some of the IDE components.
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Re: RevMobile Discussions

2010-10-03 Thread stephen barncard
yes! Runrev, PLEASE FREE THE ON-REV CLIENT and API.

What is the big secret, anyway?


sqb

On 3 October 2010 13:55, David Bovill da...@vaudevillecourt.tv wrote:

 On 3 October 2010 17:40, Michael D Mays mich...@michaelsmanias.com
 wrote:

 A classic example is the On-Rev client. Locking that thing up in a
 standalone was completely pointless. Active members of the community could
 have rolled their own versions of a client (ie based on an informal API),
 that would have been orders of magnitude better than the current offering.

 It would not have mattered if this API moved fast (it hasn't anyway), nor
 would it matter if they withdrew the API / charged for it / locked things
 down afterwards (as long as we knew this was a possibility up front).

 We can only hope that this old-school business logic is replaced by a saner
 cooperation with developers, a saner use of common technologies to
 integrate
 the various lists, forums, and bug tracking, and an intelligent use of open
 content licensing for some of the IDE components.
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Re: loading a https page on OS X

2010-10-03 Thread Dar Scott
Well, you said hint.  I have a vague and distant memory of seeing  
this info in the openSSL docs.  Very vague.  It might have been in  
some openSSL discussion.  -- Dar


On Oct 3, 2010, at 11:25 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote:


Hi all,

I tried to load a page from an https server and got of course an
error because the user certicitate was not found.

No username or password required for the site!

the result was:
error -Error with certificate at depth: 0  issuer  ...
...
...
err 20:unable to get local issuer certificate

So since any internt browser can do this,  my question is how can I  
do?


Are there any generic certificates in some folder on the users hd  
that I can

set the sslcerificates to?

I seem to remember that this was a topic on this list, but can't  
remember the thread title.


Any hint are very appreciated!


Best

Klaus

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Re: loading a https page on OS X

2010-10-03 Thread Malte Pfaff-Brill
Klaus:

libUrlSetSSLVerification false


hth,

Malte
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ANN: A true scrolling canvas demo

2010-10-03 Thread Claudi Cornaz

Hi All,

I am glad to anounce the ccScroller group.

After many years, on and off, trying to get it to work right, I finaly  
succeeded in creating a true scrolling canvas like group.


I managed to get something to work before but now I found a simple and  
elegant solution.


You can drag objects around in the group and the canvas will always  
adept to the placement of the objects.

It grows and shrinks as neccesary, in the expected and sane way.

The final piece I needed was mentioned by Richard quiete a few weeks  
ago, the boundingRect.
The boundingRect alone isn't sufficient but it turned out to be a  
crucial extra piece I needed to acomplish this canvas group.


I tryed to uploaded it to revOnLine but after I logged out I couldn't  
log in anymore.
Apparently the password they send me this afternoon is wrong now. I  
don't know.
So I have no idea if the upload went correctly because I can't find it  
nowhere anymore. Revonline seems a bit flaky at the moment.

I will try again later.

Probably the easyest way to get the stack is to execute the following  
in the messagebox:


go stack URL http://www.claudi.on-rev.com/livecode/ccScroller_demo.rev;
and check it out.

I hope (some of) you find it usefull

All the best
  Claudi
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Re: Storing an Array as a Custom Property

2010-10-03 Thread Alejandro Tejada

Hi all,


Gregory Lypny wrote:
 
 But the documentation problem, both with the user guide and built-in help
 or dictionary, goes far beyond updating.  Good writing, examples,
 organization, and consistency in design take time.
 
 [snip]
 
 My recommendation for the Rev team would be to spend less time on
 rebranding and promotional splash screens and more polishing the software.
 

My experience with new Livecode users is that they actually expect
this software works like the software they already know really well.

The most useful function for them would be an UNDO function
that works like those in Powerpoint, Word or Photoshop.

About the documentation, i expect that comments added to the
online dictionary get downloded from Livecode site and appear
when you open the dictionary in your computer.

Al
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Re: Storing an Array as a Custom Property

2010-10-03 Thread Michael D Mays
So true Gregory. 

Michael


On Oct 3, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:

  But the documentation problem, both with the user guide and built-in help or 
 dictionary, goes far beyond updating.  Good writing, examples, organization, 
 and consistency in design take time.  If you type the word Array into the 
 built-in help, the only hits you will get is for ArrayEncode and ArrayDecode 
 but nothing for an array itself.  Someone new to LiveCode, who perhaps 
 coincidentally got far enough into the user guide to come across arrays, 
 would be hard-pressed to get any information about their uses or properties.  
 A benchmark for good documentation in my mind is the original HyperCard User 
 Guide and HyperCard Reference Manual.  The writing is clean and the example 
 code statements and handler snippets are carefully chosen to give the fullest 
 scope of usage of the item in question.  Another is Mathematica's built-in 
 documentation (and even their online documentation), where what they lack in 
 Apple's writing and publishing suave, they make up for in comprehensiveness.  
 My recommendation for the Rev team would be to spend less time on rebranding 
 and promotional splash screens and more polishing the software

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Re: loading a https page on OS X

2010-10-03 Thread Terry Judd
On 4/10/10 5:30 AM, Malte Pfaff-Brill revolut...@derbrill.de wrote:

 Klaus:
 
 libUrlSetSSLVerification false

So (butting in because I'm in the middle of doing this as well), just to get
this straight, if I post something to a https url (on my server) the data is
still sent/returned securely, I just don't need to stuff around with
certificates?

Terry...

 
 
 hth,
 
 Malte
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Datagrid Default Column Behavior

2010-10-03 Thread Peter Haworth
What is the correct way to set the default column behavior of a  
datagrid so that the script is entered for columns which have been  
customised to contain option menus?


I have set the default column behavior property for the datagrid but  
suing debug shows that the script is only executed for columns that  
hve not been customised in some way.


This is with LiveCode 4.5

Pete Haworth








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Re: adding new object to background group

2010-10-03 Thread DunbarX
I think someone (Jacques, probably) pointed out that there is a direct way 
to do this. Wasn't it using the copy object to group form of the copy 
command? I am not near Rev, er Livecode right now, but there was a way, posted 
several months ago.

I still have slight conceptual blocks with groups, especially as 
represented by this particular question. The above method bypassed the firewall 
that 
groups still throw up (in my face, at least). That they need not be 
deconstructed in order to get control of their inner workings is a natural and 
comforting feature, and was an example of how a simple, native solution cut 
through a lot of opacity. If only I could remember all these cuties.

Craig Newman
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