Re: Some doubts 'bout Revolution
Did you tried to create a manifest for Revolution? If revolution uses the default Windows System Button, then the manifest would draw it as Luna or other style on XP. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:39 AM Subject: Re: Some doubts 'bout Revolution i'd rather have my buttons looking native in winXP ;-) -Original Message- Set the lookAndFeel to MacOSX -- would be a nice Christmas present ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 01/10/2003 / Versão: 1.4.0 Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Some doubts 'bout Revolution
I think that would be a problem, since both Windows XP and MacOS X use, in a large scale, alpha blending (those shadows and a lot of other window gadgets). Would be impossible to achieve a complete MacOS X look and feel in Windows 32, Windows NT 4 and Linuxes environments. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 10:15 AM Subject: Re: Some doubts 'bout Revolution At 10:44 PM -0300 10/4/2003, Júlio César Ködel wrote: My question was: it is possible to make this look and feel of Classic MacOS in a Rev. application running in Windows (i.e. I make a application, that is distributed for Windows machines, and want to apply ClassicMacOS style on it, as it is possible in the development stage) Set the lookAndFeel property to Macintosh to get the Platinum appearance. (This is what the menu item in the development environment does.) -- Jeanne DeVoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ Jeanne, Are there any plans for Rev to simulate the Aqua appearance in the same way? It would be nice for those of us who develop apps on Windows that will be used on OS X to be able to preview the look and feel. Set the lookAndFeel to MacOSX -- would be a nice Christmas present this year. Thanks. Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 01/10/2003 / Versão: 1.4.0 Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Why this doesn't work? =(
HTMLText property of a field = "a href=""file://c:\teste.htm" quote "Teste/a" The link is shown, but it won't open nothing =( What I'm doing wrong??? (Notice: this text has to be setted FROM CODE, not editing the contents of fields in IDE)
Re: Drivers for Firebird/Interbase (Was Re: JDBC instead of ODBC)
You are talking about commercial drivers, I'm talking about free software. You're right, 'cos I didn't mention this before, but, for users like me, from Brazil, it's almost impossible to buy foreign softwares (the software must be VERY good to compensate all the troubles that we have to make such transations). - Original Message - From: Bernard Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Drivers for Firebird/Interbase (Was Re: JDBC instead of ODBC) Julio Even if ODBC would be a TRUE reality on all plataforms, we'd need a ODBC driver for Firebird, wich exists only for Windows (there is plans for a Linux one, but it's not available yet). For Macintosh, Firebird is nothing. You are mistaken. There are ODBC drivers for Interbase (and Firebird) for Linux, Solaris, Windows, and OS X. Have a look at: http://www.easysoft.com/products//platforms.phtml?product=2201 and http://www.ibdatabase.com/ Nevertheless, if there was only one external database for which Runrev provided native Rev drivers, it should be Interbase/Firebird. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 01/10/2003 / Versão: 1.4.0 Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Some doubts 'bout Revolution
'Cos is beaultiful??? =P For Windows XP, it's not a problem, since there is Aqua-like styles for Windows XP wich make Windows works as Aqua does. But, for other Windows (like 95 and 98), the user is REALLY bored of that non-gracefull gray window, every day, year by year... It's just a cosmetic trick to bring more hapiness to the user, just this ;-) (Besides: someone here knows of a Media Player that works in a default window, with default buttons and all those gray stuffs? No. Almost all media players are skinned to have a better appearence. Sometimes it's good to change the user experience within your application). Windows XP uses Luna interface, MacOS uses Platinum, MacOSX use Aqua, Linux use, well, I don't know what the hell is that, he he he... It's just graphics... nothing more. And I'm not asking nothing about Aqua... Just Platinum =) - Original Message - From: Ken Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: Re: Some doubts 'bout Revolution Hi Richard, Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 11:33:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Some doubts 'bout Revolution From: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] One of the downsides to implementing Aqua emulation would be to encourage a false confidence for things that might look good buy do not work properly once actually deployed there. -- Dumb question from someone who hasn't followed all of this. Why would someone want to emulate Mac OSX Aqua on a Windoze platform to begin with? Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 01/10/2003 / Versão: 1.4.0 Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: JDBC instead of ODBC
Easier than a ODBC/JDBC/whateverDBC engine is a custom engine for a specific database. For example, FireBird (or Interbase 6, which is almost the same), there is a VB OCX and some LIBs for C to direct connect to Firebird servers without using ODBC... The most right would we achieve the maximum information (and source codes) of determined engine and then give it to Revolution developers... This way, I think new native engines for Revolution will be more easy made than we just ask I need a driver for sbrobow database engine ;-) And there is a advantage in this process: as native database engines doesn't work uppon ODBC, and considering that all database servers are equal (plataform independent), a engine made for revolution would work in any plataforms (different from ODBC, which is a problem in MacOS and, I guess, a really pain in *nix stations). By the way... Some developer wants the source code for some libs to FireBird? ;-) - Original Message - From: Bernard Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 4:50 PM Subject: Re: JDBC instead of ODBC But what about all those database engines that can use JDBC? Todd, maybe you are thinking of things in the converse. Are you seeing Rev stacks as databases, and asking for a JDBC driver so that people could connect to a stack from a Java application? That is the only sense in which the databases you mention have JDBC drivers - so that Java applications can connect to them. Rev uses ODBC in the opposite way - that is, so that Rev _applications_ can connect to these _other_ databases. The Rev drivers for Oracle, MySQL, Valentina etc. are the Rev equivalents of the JDBC drivers - drivers which enable an application to make direct (network) calls to a database (that may be local) from within the application. With the databases you cite, the JDBC drivers are provided (effectively) by the database providers to enable Java applications to communicate with their DB. As for Rev apps, there is only really three ways to interface with an external database: 1) the Runrev-supplied drivers 2) ODBC (or maybe a JDBC-ODBC bridge, although usually they are the other way round) 3) Shelling out to a command line SQL processor I expect some more imaginative individual may come up with others Regards, Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 01/10/2003 / Versão: 1.4.0 Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Some doubts 'bout Revolution
Each day I'm more convinced that Revolution is a great program tool. Some things are amazing easy to do, and seems so powerfull that I think no program CAN'T be developed in Rev. But, I must ask some questions: (first, sorry by comparing Rev with VB, but I'm a BASIC programmer since 1986, and VB is my current world ;-] ) 1) Nowadays, more and more applications (especially those developed in RAD tools) are using HTML, for display data, forms, or whatever. In my case, I use HTML for custom relats (my program parses tags in HTML file and then replace them with some data. It's a easy way to make relats customizable for the final user). Revolution doesn't have a control that show HTML pages (I know there is a DLL, which I assume that use IE engine, but work only for Windows). There is some way to display full HTML pages within cards, in all plataforms (or, at least, Windows and *nix)? Or, if not, at least a "standard" way to "execute" a HTML file (some kind of shell that would open the default Web Browser of OS and display a local file). 2) Someone know a site where there is some Rev. applications to download (to study, of course, open source)? 3) Since Windows 95, both Mac and *nix plataforms are using controls like the Windows TreeView and ListItems controls. There is something like this for Revolution (TV and LI objects are used, for example, in a Windows Explorer window, wich TreeView is the object that shows a "tree" of folders and ListItems is the object that show items with icons, tabs and subitems) 4) Is therea IDE for Revolution other than the current? 5) Revolution IDE is capable of showing the "look and feel" of other plataforms (for example, MacOS and Motif). In a distributed application, there is some way to make it look like a Mac, for example, by default (in other words:Can Imake a Revolution application in Windows that mantain the "look" of Mac?) 6) When making a compiled application from Revolution, I noticed that it would NOT support Microsoft icons other than 16 colors... There's no way to use 256 colors icons? (the best would be if Rev. could use TrueColor or RGBA icons, but 256 colors are the minimal to nowadays Windows stardards). Well... I guess it's "only" this... Thanx in advance for all ;-)
Re: JDBC instead of ODBC
I'm not suggesting nothing ;-) I was just saying that it's easier to work on a native engine than support a Java ODBC engine ;-) Therefore, Java it's NOT so good as it seems (especially on Windows XP). And, other thing I said: I think it is more applicable we give the maximum information we have instead of just ask for something... As those tools are, almost always, open source. For example, my case (FireBird). I know that there is a lot of drivers and libs that are open source... With this in hands, it's a lot easier to devs to make something 'bout FB than just ask for support to FB, don't you agree? ;-) - Original Message - From: Bernard Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: JDBC instead of ODBC Easier than a ODBC/JDBC/whateverDBC engine is a custom engine for a specific database. Julio, If you are asking for native Rev drivers for Firebird (to go alongside the drivers that are provided for PostgreSQL, Oracle, etc), I suggested it to Runrev before, but have heard nothing for a year or so. If you are suggesting something else, I'm afraid I don't understand. Could you give more detail? Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 01/10/2003 / Versão: 1.4.0 Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Some doubts 'bout Revolution
What's a relat? Ops... It's a report, he he he... Well... Opening a local html file it's fine. I don't know if is possible on all systems, but, in Windows, it's possible to get a HTML Browser within a OLE Object. I know that Macitosh also have OLE Objects support from Microsoft (and, if there is a IE for Macs, I think it would be possible to make this trick on Mac), but I don't know about Linux... Classic, but not OS X. That's the only one you can't at this time. While the other OS appearances are emulated it would be way too much work to emulate Apple's Aqua Appearance Manager. My question was: it is possible to make this look and feel of Classic MacOS in a Rev. application running in Windows (i.e. I make a application, that is distributed for Windows machines, and want to apply ClassicMacOS style on it, as it is possible in the development stage) Thanx for the help ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 'bout Revolution and FireBird]
ODBC can be used with remote databases. When creating the DSN you specify the hostname or IP address of the server. That's the point... I didn't found this option... It only permits create DSN for local databases =( In VB, we use connection string, not DSN... I know it's not a Revolution issue, but could you give-me more information about remote databases and DSNs? (I will not program for Macs, only for IBM, in both Microsoft and *nix plataforms). Are you confusing the database server with the database client libraries? No matter what database you choose, if it's running on a remote server, then the client user should not need to download and install the database- all they need is the client libraries, whether they be ODBC drivers, or revDB drivers. Indeed, there is a ODBC driver for FireBird, and works fine, but, as I said, VB works with connection string (which gives me possibilities to declare provider (FireBird ODBC), host, database (in host), username and password. In ODBC with DSN, I can't declare host, thus, only local databases can be used =( Thanx for all the help ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 'bout Revolution and FireBird]
I get it! The database name CONTAINS the hostname =\ host:c:\databasename.ext This works with 2 ODBC drivers that I get... Only in the second driver there was a minimal tip of achieving this... People are a little lazy 'bout documentation =( Thanx for the help of all of you, now I can start to program with Revolution (and fill this list with doubts, he he he)... [] For those who want to use FireBird and have the same problem o'mine: Use any ODBC driver for FB (I recommend IBOLEDB, which is easier to install and faster to connect), then, when creating a DSN, put the hostname before the path: HOSTNAME:PATH\DATABASE.GDB or FDB - Original Message - From: Bernard Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: Re: 'bout Revolution and FireBird] Julio, In ODBC with DSN, I can't declare host, thus, only local databases can be used =( I have connected Windows clients to remote Firebird databases via ODBC. Can you provide me with - the server name where your remote Firebird db is located - the port being used (if other than that used with the default Firebird install) - the path to the database on the server. Which ODBC driver are you using? Can you send me a screenshot of what you are seeing? Please send me this off-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I will post my response back to the list for you and any other interested party. Regards, Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 01/10/2003 / Versão: 1.4.0 Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: JDBC instead of ODBC
Those links that I passed in my messages are both for open source ODBC engines (for both Windows and Linux). I think would not be hard to make a MacOS X version, but, for MacOS, I don't know (therefore, I hate macs ;-] ) - Original Message - From: Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 5:31 PM Subject: Re: JDBC instead of ODBC On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 01:01 PM, Todd Geist wrote: Is it particular hard to build this kind of driver? If you are programming in Java it's not hard, I would imagine. But JDBC makes no sense for Rev because it's not related to Java in any way. Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 01/10/2003 / Versão: 1.4.0 Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
'bout Revolution and FireBird
I was developing a commercial system in VB 6, but many clients request me Linux compatibility, which I can't achieve with VB, then, I found Revolution and downloaded a trial version to see its capabilities... I already know that Revolution have support for MySQL and ODBC, but I using FireBird (a Interbase compatible database engine). In Windows, I have an OCX DLL that implement ODBC with FireBird (and thus, allowing VB access to FireBird). But, I don't know how this work on Linux systems... It will be possible to use FireBird on Linux, or even ODBC? Any help on this issue will be welcome... ;-) Thanx in advance, Tenebree Software http://www.tenebree.com
