Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Martin Koob]

Andre Garzia  writes:

> 
> Folks,
> 
> check out: http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/
> 
> <http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/>Will our LiveCode apps be featured
> there? So far we do not know since the thing was announced 10 minutes ago,
> but one can only hope!
> 
> Andre
> 

I agree with other comments here that there is a risk that  LiveCode
 Applications may be excluded from the Mac App Store either explicitly 
by a future requirement that only applications developed with XCode 
be included or implicitly by the requirement that a third party 
application's interface elements or behaviours be identical to 
those created by XCode.   

To prevent the second scenario from excluding an application a 
response would be for RunRev to ensure that LiveCode's interface 
elements for Mac OS standalones have feature parity with Mac OS controls. 

This does not prevent the first scenario though.   I wonder if the 
response to a possible requirement for Xcode developed applications 
should be to  establishing a LiveCode App store where Livecode 
Developers could showcase and sell their applications.  This would 
leave you free to use the registration and licencing system,  third 
party installers that you want but still have the advantages offered 
by a congregated application store that would help you market your work.   

Martin Koob


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Re: on-rev

[Martin Koob]

Mark Wieder  writes:

> 
> All-
> 
> Is anyone able to use the on-rev client? I'm hanging on "Connecting to
> server..." Have to force-quit it.
> 


I used it yesterday and just tried it today and it worked fine.

Martin

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Re: revVideoGrabber: stop preview doesn't hide video window

[Martin Koob]

> 
> I have dealt with the problem of stop preview window by using 
> closevideograbber to get rid of the preview window. 
> 

Huh? Doesn't that stop the capture? 

Sorry I was not clear.   

I have the revgrabber window in a substack.  This way I can hide the preview
of the recording by hiding and showing the substack.  This does not affect
the capture.

If I am not capturing, just previewing and I want to stop the preview I
close revvideograbber window and close the substack.

>yes, just changing the audio setting results in quirky behavior on the
video 
>side. I found the audio levels too *low* for monitoring. I was using VG for 
>archiving 8mm videos.  I went back to final cut. 

>Save the audio settings? -  how does one do that ? 
> It appears impossible because there's no commands documented for that.  If 
>one tries to save on top of the video settings... they get trounced.

I can save the audio settings with the revvideograbsettings command but like
you said the video settings that have been set are changed as well so I had
to take the audio settings feature out.

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Re: revVideoGrabber: stop preview doesn't hide video window

[Martin Koob]

Ben Rubinstein  writes:

> 
> Thanks, Stephen and Richard.
> 
> Because I'm selfishly focused on my immediate needs, can you clarify "long 
> grabs" and "problems"?  Are long grabs like Stephen's two hours, or would 
> five 
> minutes qualify?  Are problems sync drift, or crashing, or memory leaks, 
> or... 
> something else?
> 
> My application will probably not be doing more than a few minutes per clip - 
> but it will be doing lots and lots of them over a day. Obviously I'll be 
> testing this for myself - but it would be good to have tips on what to look 
> out for.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Ben
> 

I have a mac application that uses revVideograbber extensively and
the captures range from a few minutes to over an hour.   I have not noticed
sync issues.

I have dealt with the problem of stop preview window by using 
closevideograbber to get rid of the preview window.

One of the things I have noticed is the high CPU use while previewing or 
recording. It is higher than other mac applications that capture video.

The other annoyance is the inability to turn off the audio while previewing.  
Sometimesthat results in audio feedback depending on the placement 
of microphones and the volume setting of the Mac.  
You can use an undocumented keyword for revvideograbdialog 

revVideograbdialog "audio" 

 to see a QT audio dialog to turn off the 
sound while previewing but if you try to save the settings it results in
problems with the video settings.



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Re: Setting the contents of a field

[Martin Blackman]

I don't think you want the quotations around those id numbers
Also you can drop the 'is true'

On 25 July 2010 11:04, Ted Mills  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the advice on using numeric names with objects. I am extremely new
> and trying to learn how to use Runrev on my own.
>
> Regarding the scripting this is what I have now using your "B" example:
>
> if the hilite of btn "Radio3" of group id "1223" is true then
>   put "Yes" into Field "fldCompreq" of card id "1176"
>  else
>   put "No" into Field "fldCompreq" of card id "1176"
> end if
>
> For some reason this is still not working. Is it possible that there is
> something wrong with my cards?
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Re: tRev and Win Vista

[Martin Blackman]

Actually my bad, it doesn't work on Win 7 (64 bit) for me, only on
vista (32 bit, no service packs installed)
For some reason on Win 7 the user account control asks me if I want to
allow tRev to make changes to the system when I run it, I don't get
that on Vista

On 24 July 2010 14:35, Martin Blackman  wrote:
> works fine for me on Vista and Win 7
>
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Re: tRev and Win Vista

[Martin Blackman]

works fine for me on Vista and Win 7


 Mark
>>
>>> Same for me here... Vista or Win 7 is a no go.
>>
>>> Thanks for trying to resolve it Jerry. Keep us posted if you have any 
>>> sucess. :)
>>
>> My experience is the same. Fortunately, glx2 keeps on tickin'...
>>
>> --
>> -Mark Wieder
>> mwie...@ahsoftware.net
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Re: Code signing Windows executables

[Martin Blackman]

I've done it using a certificate from Ksoftware.net and the signGui utility

On 16 July 2010 12:22, Terry Judd  wrote:
> Does anyone do this for Rev applications, and if so can they provide some
> pointers? We're looking to distribute some software to students on a USB
> stick and some of the computer labs around the traps have a policy of not
> allowing apps to run from removable drives. However, they say that they will
> make an exception for digitally signed apps, so...
>
> TIA,
>
> Terry...
>
> --
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> Medical Education Unit
> Melbourne Medical School
> The University of Melbourne
>
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Re: Running revlets on the iPad

[Martin Baxter]

Alejandro Tejada wrote:
> Hi Andre,
> 
> 
> Andre Garzia-3 wrote:
>> HTML5 + JS + CSS3 is the future... it will superseed Flash, eventually.
>>
> 
> Actually, the problem is not Flash, but the persistent abuse
> and misuse of SWF for advertising content. 
> 
> You could find, easily, 4 or 5 swf files on the same page,
> trying to get your attention, your bandwidth and your
> processor, all of them, at the same time.
> 
> The solution that i envision to this is:
> Only the more recent (or latest) SWF
> is able to run. The rest should wait
> until the user clicks on them.
> 


> If HTML5 + JS + CSS3 replace SWF files, then
> this problem would become only more evident.
> 
> Al

I couldn't agree more. At present I can choose to either not install, or
to disable Flash (and I do). With html video, canvas, dom storage etc.
protecting yourself from "demented content snippets" (and sneaky
snooping) becomes even harder. It introduces a whole new world of
opportunity for design and marketing low-lifes to make web pages
unbearable to the point of icky. The faction that wants the web to be
like TV (only worse), alienates those who like using the web because TV
sucks. But hey, at least there's no way they can override the missing
sound card I removed. :D (Bliss. Bliss. Silence is golden.)

Flash could have been used for good or evil, guess which one mankind
chose! ;-)

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Re: Drag and Drop on revBrowser...

[Martin Koob]

> >> 
> >> put the mouseScreenLoc into tLoc
> >> set the mouseScreenLoc to the topleft of this stack
> >> set the mouseScreenLoc to tLoc
> >> 

shouldn't this be the screenMouseLoc?

Martin

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Re: Problems setting a player object to an alias in a script

[Martin Koob]

I was able to get an alias that pointed to an mp3 player to load in the
player.  I used the following script.

on mouseUp
   answer file "Select the MP3 file."  with type "MP3 files|mp3|Mp3 "
   set the filename of player "player" to it
end mouseUp

This allowed me to select the alias but when I checked the player with the
property inspector the path was the path to the original.

One thing I found was that  if the alias has the word 'alias' at the end it
would not work I had to make sure it ended with .mp3.  


If you want to make sure the open file dialog allows you to open mp3 files
you have to put
 with type "MP3 files|mp3|Mp3 "

Note there is a space before the final quote.

Martin
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Re: player object and https URL

[Martin Koob]

J. Landman Gay  writes:

> 

> I know almost nothing about it so I probably shouldn't say anything, but 
> don't you need some kind of certificate to access https pages?
> 

I am just hacking around here but I tried this

 I created a 'certificates' folder 

Then I opened my website in Safari then clicked on the lock to 
show the certificates

Then I dragged three certificates that are sown into that folder 
which created two .cer files and one .crt file in the folder

then I used the 'set  the sslcertificates' command to set the path to
 that folder

That did not work

Then I opened the site in firefox and then exported the certificates
into the certificates folder.

This still did not work.

Again not sure what I am doing here so if there is an obvious error 
or flaw in the approach let me know.

I also tried

libUrlSetSSLVerification false

This did not solve the problem either.

I am trying this on Mac OS X 10.5.8 and I noticed from searching
other posts that the was a problem with SSL on the mac.

Is this still true?

I have also noticed inconsistent behavior with setting the filename
of the image object to an https url.   Originally it worked.   Since
I have been trying the other commands to solve the player object
issue the image on the https site does not always load.  However
if I use

 libUrlSetSSLVerification false

the image will load.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Martin


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Re: player object and https URL

[Martin Koob]

J. Landman Gay  writes:

> 

> > 
> 
> I know almost nothing about it so I probably shouldn't say anything, but 
> don't you need some kind of certificate to access https pages?
> 

Hi,  I thought so too and there is the command sslcertificates which the
dictionary says is to set the list of files and folders to search for ssl 
certificates.


However if I set the file name of an image object to an https URL  
 the image will load without me specifying sslcertificates.   
This is what made me think that I don't need to use the sslcertificates 
command

Also if I use revbrowser it will open https sites and it will open a 
movie hosted on an https page.  So RevBrowswer is handling https sites
without me specifying the path to ssl certificates.  

I am not sure if it is a bug that the https URL doesn't work in the player
or if there is something that I am supposed to do in terms of handling
or providing the path to the ssl certificates on the computer.

I am just learning about this so I have been experimenting with a few things.   

I tried

open secure socket to "www.mysecuresite.com:443" with message "wasConnected"

this opens the socket which i can see with 

answer the opensockets()

This shows the socket forwww.mysecuresite.com:443 as open

Still after I open the socket when I set the filename of the player to a movie 
on the secure  site no movie is loaded in the player


Martin


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Re: player object and https URL

[Martin Koob]

David Bovill  writes:

> 
> I've not tried this but if you can fetch the same url as data with:
> 
>-  put url \
"https://www.mysecuresite.com/movie/mymovie.mov\
<https://www.mysecuresite.com/movie/mymovie.mov>"
> 


I can download the data with put URL but how do I get that 
data into a player?   I suppose I could download the file then 
open the file but that doesn't allow you to start playing the 
movie while downloading.

I can set the filename to the HTTPS URL but the movie 
does not appear in the player as it does when you use 
an HTTP URL.

I have entered it as a bug, #8773

Martin Koob



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Re: player object and https URL

[Martin Koob]

Martin Koob  writes:

> 
> I tried to set the filename of a player object to  the url for a movie which
>  is on an ssl protected server 
> ie https://www.mysecuresite.com/movie/mymovie.mov
> The movie does not load
> 
 
One additional thing I noticed.  If I set the filename of the player by 
script to an https url it will return "could not create movie reference"

Any ideas why this happens?

Martin


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player object and https URL

[Martin Koob]

I tried to set the filename of a player object to  the url for a movie which
 is on an ssl protected server 
ie https://www.mysecuresite.com/movie/mymovie.mov
The movie does not load

If I put open the same URL in a revbrowser window it works
ie.

put revBrowserOpen(the windowID of this stack, \
"https://www.mysecuresite.com/movie/mymovie.mov";) into tBrowserId

If I set the filename of an image object to an image on an ssl protected
 server it works
ie.  https://www.mysecuresite.com/movie/myimage.png

So it seems that the player object is having problems with the https url.  

Is there something else I need to do or is this a bug.  I searched the 
Rev Quality Control Center and I can't find a mention of this as a bug.

Martin Koob

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Re: Test For Field Being Edited?

[Martin Koob]

Martin Koob  writes:

> 
> Scott Rossi  writes:
> 
> > 
> > Hi List:
> > 
> > I can't remember...  Is there a way to determine if any field on a card is
> > open for editing, other than storing a variable?
> > 
Sorry try this again

What about focused object.

This is what I use to check if a field is open and then call a
 handler in that field.

if the first word of the focusedObject is "field" then
    dispatch "savemycontents" to the focusedObject
end if

Martin

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Re: Test For Field Being Edited?

[Martin Koob]

Scott Rossi  writes:

> 
> Hi List:
> 
> I can't remember...  Is there a way to determine if any field on a card is
> open for editing, other than storing a variable?
> 
What about focusedObject.

Martin

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Re: Trying to understand the why?

[Martin Koob]

The Hypercard comment was reported in the following article

http://www.macworld.com/article/146739/2010/02/2010appleshareholdermtg.html

Martin

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Rev Videograbber camera compatibility

[Martin Koob]

I have a rev based application that uses revvideograbber to 
capture video and it works well with DV (firewire) cameras 
(I have tested it with Sony, Cannon, JVC and
panasonic DV camcorders.) and the built in mac iSight camera.  

(the only difficulty I have encountered is when you have a Cannon
DV camera and certain Lacie external hard drives connected by 
firewire.)

I have a question from a potential customer as to what cameras 
are compatible as a video source.  

Is it safe to say any quicktime compatible 
camera (USB, (DV)firewire, web cam?)

If any of you have used RevVideograbber could you
post the cameras that they have used to start a 
compatibility list?

Thanks

Martin Koob

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Re: on-rev client can't access server

[Martin Koob]

-Michael Kann  writes:

 
- Odin up

 --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Pierre Sahores  wrote:

-- Hi Martin,

-- Seemed me that the loki server is, time to time, responding
-- very slowly today but this need confirmation.
-- Best,
 

It is working now.  

Martin

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on-rev client can't access server

[Martin Koob]

I am trying this morning to access the on-rev server with
the on-rev client but it won't connect to the server.

Is the server down?

Martin

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Re: OT'ish: Logs on on-rev.com

[Martin Baxter]

Hi Tim,

<http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/logs.html>

May help

Martin Baxter

Tim Selander wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've got an account on on-rev.com and am trying to wrap my head
> around access logs. What's showing up in the raw logs does not
> seem to match what the statistic programs are showing. The cpanel
> documents aren't too helpful as they (typical in this industry)
> assume more knowledge than a newbie has...
> 
> Can anyone point me to an online primer about access logs, exp.
> if it relates to the same system on-rev.com uses?
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan


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Re: browser can't find .irev files on new on-rev subdomain

[Martin Baxter]

Martin,

I don't have any suggestions about your index.* files not being served,
though it sounds like there is some unintended redirection occurring.

However you can turn the directory file listing off by adding this line
in the .htaccess file:

Options All -Indexes

That will then generate an error if anybody does e.g.

http://www.yourdomain.com/directory_with_no_index_file/

"Directory listing denied" or whatever

The .htaccess file will affect the directory it is in and all its
subdirectories

This was one of the first things I changed when I got my on-rev account.
They are set up rather insecurely by default, in my view.

Martin Baxter

Martin Koob wrote:
> Hi Michael
> 
> I tried putting the .htaccess file in the subdomain's document 
> root and putting it in the public_html directory but that did not help.
> 
> I tried just putting a basic html page in the subdomain's document 
> root as index.html and that still generates the 404 error.
> 
> if I take out the index.irev and index.html pages I will see a listing 
> of the files in the document root.
> 
> I am not sure what I did wrong.   The process I used to create the
> subdomain was:
> 1. I used cPanel to create the subdomain for a hosted domain
> 2. I used the file manage from cPanel to copy the files from a 
> document root where I was working on the site to the new 
> document root.
> 3. I updated a config.irev file to ensure all the information 
> was correct to reflect the new path.
> 
> Is there something else I need to do to set up a subdomain.
> 
> 
> Martin
> 


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Re: browser can't find .irev files on new on-rev subdomain

[Martin Koob]

Hi Michael

I tried putting the .htaccess file in the subdomain's document 
root and putting it in the public_html directory but that did not help.

I tried just putting a basic html page in the subdomain's document 
root as index.html and that still generates the 404 error.

if I take out the index.irev and index.html pages I will see a listing 
of the files in the document root.

I am not sure what I did wrong.   The process I used to create the
subdomain was:
1. I used cPanel to create the subdomain for a hosted domain
2. I used the file manage from cPanel to copy the files from a 
document root where I was working on the site to the new 
document root.
3. I updated a config.irev file to ensure all the information 
was correct to reflect the new path.

Is there something else I need to do to set up a subdomain.


Martin

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Re: browser can't find .irev files on new on-rev subdomain

[Martin Koob]

Michael Kann  writes:

> 
> Martin, I found the magic words.
> 
> put this line:
> 
> DirectoryIndex index.irev
> 
> in your .htaccess file in the same directory as your index.irev folder
> 
> --- On Tue, 4/27/10, Martin Koob  rogers.com> wrote:
> 

Hi Michael
thanks for the quick reply

I looked for the .htaccess file.  There is one in the public_html directory
(it is blank)
there is not one in the subdirectory for the subdomain.  

I checked the subdirectories for the other subdomain that is working and
it does not have a .htaccess file.

In the development site I had a .htaccess file in a subdirectory of the 
subdomain
to protect some files in it.   That got copied over with the site. 
Could that be interfering with the loading of the site?

Martin




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browser can't find .irev files on new on-rev subdomain

[Martin Koob]

I have set up a new subdomain on a  domain I am hosting on on-rev. 
  
I copied the files from another subdomain where I was developing the 
site to the subdirectory for the new subdomain.

I can see all the irev pages in the on-rev client for both subdomains.

The development site works fine but I get a 404 error saying it can't 
find the index.irev page in the site of the new subdomain.If I 
change the index page to a plain index.html page in the new 
subdomain the page will display.  


What could be the reason that the browser can't find the 
 irev page?

Is there another setting I need to change in addition to creating 
the subdomain?

Martin

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Re: Heather Are You All OK with the Ash!

[Martin Baxter]

The ash is very fine, and here (S.E. England), it is invisible in the
air. On Thursday I thought I had a sore throat coming on. Started to
cough. Friday I spent 10 minutes in the local supermarket and noticed 4
or 5 other people with the same cough and the penny dropped. It wasn't a
virus, it was the ash causing it. So I'm staying indoors as much as I can.

Martin Baxter

Alex Tweedly wrote:
> Sivakatirswami wrote:
>> Just checking... last time the ash was a disaster for Scotland... is
>> our RunRev Team OK?
>>
> It's not causing any problems here other than the shutting down of air
> space (and hence just about all air travel). So unless the Rev team are
> travelling, and can't get home, there should be no problem for them.
> 
> -- Alex.

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Authenicated URLs for Amazon S3 in on-rev

[Martin Koob]

Is it possible to generate authenticated URLs for
Amazon S3 on on-rev?

I have tried out Mark Smiths libS3 and libAWS in a stack and have
had success with that but I was wondering whether I could do the same
thing in on-rev.

Basically I just want to generate a time limited url for files stored on
amazon s3 so I think I would just need a subset of the features in the libS3.

Could I just upload libS3 to my on-rev site and then include it and use 
the commands that are in that library or are there parts of that library that
would not be able to run on on-rev.

Thanks.

Martin

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Authenicated URLs for Amazon S3 in on-rev

[Martin Koob]

Is it possible to generate authenticated URLs for
Amazon S3 on on-rev?

I have tried out Mark Smiths libS3 and libAWS in a stack and have
had success with that but I was wondering whether I could do the same
thing in on-rev.

Basically I just want to generate a time limited url for files stored on
amazon s3 so I think I would just need a subset of the features in the libS3.

Could I just upload libS3 to my on-rev site and then include it and use 
the commands that are in that library or are there parts of that library that
would not be able to run on on-rev.

Thanks.

Martin

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Re: iPad day

[Jake Martin]

I’ve got an iPad en route to me, hopefully on a UPS truck at this moment!

I tend to agree on the software front with Apple, but I have to say my original 
iPhone hardware is still my favorite of the three iPhone models so far.  And if 
it’s just software updates that get better with time, well, I might as well 
enjoy the first rounds while I wait… ;)

(Now I just can’t wait for revMobile to give me iPad support and 
hardware-accelerated motion/animation support…)

-J

On Apr 3, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Jim Kanter wrote:

> I'm waiting for the next version, the one that will work properly.
> Apple usually gets hardware right on the second version and software
> on the third.
> 
> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Jim Ault  wrote:
>> 
>> On Apr 3, 2010, at 5:31 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> 
>>> So... which of you Americans is getting an iPad today??
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revMobile Animation

[Jake Martin]

Greetings list,

I’m a long time rev user (although new to the list) and am debating whether to 
join revMobile.  Does anyone know what the animation abilities are (and will 
be)?  Particularly, one of the most compelling user experience aspects of the 
iPhone is its smooth animation with core animation.  Does Rev support (or plan 
on supporting) this?  Does “visual effect” work now?  Is the frame rate of 
iteration remotely close enough to make decent looking animations, like page 
swipes, scrolling lists, etc…

I’m cautiously excited for revMobile, but hesitant to stop learning Obj-C if 
revMobile won’t meet my needs on this platform...

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Re: Comma-delimited values

[Martin Baxter]

And drink many beers, and dance on the coffin.

Martin Baxter

stephen barncard wrote:
> We could have a funeral like IE6.
> -
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> 
> 
> On 8 March 2010 13:53, J. Landman Gay  wrote:
> 
>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>>  CSV must die.
>> Oh come on, Richard, tell us what you really think. :)
>>
>> --
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>> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: missing fields in Application Browser

[Martin Blackman]

Could it be the autohilite property?

On 3/8/10, Scott Morrow  wrote:
> Recently, in one of my projects, the Application Browser stopped showing
> fields that were in a group. Furthermore, the fields in this group no longer
> allow text to be hilited. (The text can still be edited, but not something
> that is really usable.) The fields are obviously still there and running
> "put the num of flds of this cd" into the message box returns "18" Yet only
> one field shows in the Application browser.  The field that does show is not
> in a group.  I've tried trashing the preferences file and reinstalling rev.
> I was hoping not to deconstruct and rebuild the groups.  Has anyone else run
> across this? Thoughts?
> Rev 4.0 Enterprise
>
> Scott Morrow
>
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
> web   http://elementarysoftware.com/
> email sc...@elementarysoftware.com
>
>
>
>
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Re: AW: OT: locking software to one specific machine?

[Martin Baxter]

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Andre Garzia wrote:
>> I was going to make my software refuse to run 15% of the time due to bad
>> licensing and then catch some smart hackers just due to statistic
>> misfortune.
>>
>> I was going to call the system the "Schrodingers Quantum Copy Protection
>> Lock System" patent it and win billions from holywood and RIAA!
> 
> The problem with the Schrodinger algorithm is that as soon as you open
> the script editor to look at the code the cat dies.
> 
> :)
> 

Maybe. ;)

More usually it is just asleep and dreaming of a box in which there is
an indeterminate mouse that...

:)
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Re: [semi-OT]simulating onSubmit in post

[Martin Baxter]

Hi Devin,

In the url instanced below, unless I'm misunderstanding what you are
trying to do, if you make a properly formed POST direct to
someurl.htm?loadpage, direct from a script or a stack for instance, the
onSubmit event in the html form is almost certainly irrelevant, because
it is only triggered in the browser when the user clicks the submit
element, and wouldn't apply in other cases.

Have you experienced some issue that makes you think it is relevant?

javascript validation can stop the form data being POSTed by the browser
if something is wrong with user input or whatever, but you would bypass
that by POSTing directly to the action url.

Javascript pre-validation can manipulate the form data or perhaps set
headers before it allows the POST action, and that might conceivably be
relevant to it being accepted as valid by the action url. But it isn't
very likely and in any case you should be able to figure the details out
by reading the javascript to see what happens.

Any serious validation will invariably be done by the script the data is
POSTed *to* (the action url), unless the author is naive. Javascript
validation (pre-validation) is really only useful for catching obvious
data entry errors for purposes of user-friendliness.

Martin Baxter

Devin Asay wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I'm trying to teach myself how to GET and POST submissions to URLs that
> provide simple web services, like word lookups and the like. I
> understand the basic concept pretty well and can successfully "harvest"
> data from various web forms. But I notice that often POST method forms
> use JavaScript calls to validate data in the forms before submitting it
> to the server. It might look like this:
>  onSubmit="return Validate(this);">
> In this case the Validate function is defined in the header and
> basically returns true if the submit came from the form "formname" AND
> all of the fields are filled in. It returns false if either of these
> conditions is not met.
> 
> My question: Is it possible to construct a post command and/or header
> combination that simulates this onSubmit event returning true? This is
> basically an academic exercise to help me understand how JS and forms
> work, and how Rev's GET and POST functionality works; I'm not planning
> to distribute stacks that do this in any way.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Devin


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Re: [OT] Languages and cultures (was Re: survey)

[Martin Baxter]

Kay C Lan wrote:
> On a slightly different note, it's always good to see when someone
> tries to do the right thing and translate their signs into a foreign
> language to help tourists. Of course it would help a lot more if they
> actually used a native speaker, rather than the www:
> 
> http://www.kirainet.com/images/errortranslate.jpg
> 
> The correct translation would be Dining Room, or maybe Restaurant,
> depending on the actual establishment.

In Wales, signs have to be bilingual. Quality control is not all it
might be though...



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from htmlText to rawtext

[Martin Meili]

How can I change the text in a field from htmltext to rawtext?
Martin
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Re: HTML Editor

[Martin Baxter]

Warren Kuhl wrote:
> I am looking for a WYSIWYG HTML editor I can attach to a text field (similar
> to FCKeditor).  Any direction would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> Warren

TinyMCE ?

<http://www.moxiecode.com/products_tinymce.php>

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Re: answer command in .irev file

[Martin Baxter]

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>>> Is there any way to put up an answer dialog? I have a variety of
>>>> small text files I'd like to pop up over the main page to give
>>>> the user extra information
>>>
>>> Here is an On-Rev command that I use to create a JavaScript dialog,
>>> similar to an answer dialog:
>>>
>>> command doAlert tData
>>>put ">>put ">alert('" & tData & "')" after tJScommand
>>>
>>>put tJScommand
>>> end doAlert
>>>
>>>
>>> Use it like this:
>>>
>>> doAlert "This is just like an answer dialog."
>> Just a word of caution. Be aware that not all web clients are able to
>> raise a javascript alert. The iphone for instance just fails silently I
>> gather - because it's a single window environment. I would recommend
>> using javascript/css to hide and show these texts rather than javascript
>> alerts.
> 
> 
> This script works perfectly on the iPhone, opening a dialog box just
> like all iPhone alerts, but I agree that one should not depend on
> JavaScript being enabled.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah

Thanks for clarifying that Sarah, it failed in my tests failed when I
checked that, but admittedly that was a while ago now.

Martin Baxter
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Re: answer command in .irev file

[Martin Baxter]

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> 2010/1/15 Tim Selander :
>> More playing with scripting .irev/html files.
>>
>> Is there any way to put up an answer dialog? I have a variety of
>> small text files I'd like to pop up over the main page to give
>> the user extra information
> 
> 
> Here is an On-Rev command that I use to create a JavaScript dialog,
> similar to an answer dialog:
> 
> command doAlert tData
>put "put ">alert('" & tData & "')" after tJScommand
> 
>put tJScommand
> end doAlert
> 
> 
> Use it like this:
> 
> doAlert "This is just like an answer dialog."

Just a word of caution. Be aware that not all web clients are able to
raise a javascript alert. The iphone for instance just fails silently I
gather - because it's a single window environment. I would recommend
using javascript/css to hide and show these texts rather than javascript
alerts.

Martin Baxter
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Re: Flash cookies

[Martin Baxter]

Oh yes, it's very sneaky,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Shared_Object

Martin Baxter

Marty Knapp wrote:
> On the "Global Privacy Settings" you can deny access to your camera and
> microphone? Yikes - didn't know Flash could do that. Very disturbing if
> that is indeed the case.
> 
> Marty
>> At this site you can see all the flash cookies that have been stored
>> on your computer. These cookies aren't cleaned out when you "clear
>> cookies." They get through even when you are "private browsing" with
>> Firefox. I don't remember ever giving permission to any of the
>> websites I see on my list.
>> http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager06.html
>>
>>
>>   
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Re: Caching problem with revlets

[Martin Baxter]

Richard,

Yes do read the article. It may clarify, and details a number of methods
and their pros and cons. Using htaccess files with apache is only one of
the possibilities discussed there. However the article seems to be
written in French today. It was in English yesterday, honestly. I think
there's probably been a mistake. I emailed the author to point this out
so perhaps he'll restore the english version eventually. If you read
French well enough it won't be a problem of course.

I won't try and go into all the potential issues here. But ask again if
there is something particular that you want clarification on.

Martin

Richard Miller wrote:
> Martin,
> 
> Thanks. I only wish I knew what you are talking about! I will read the
> article.
> 
> The revlet is stored on a GoDaddy server. Is that apache? Can I do the
> things you suggest, given where it is stored?
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> Martin Baxter wrote:
>> Richard
>>
>> if:
>>
>> a you are using apache
>> b mod_expires is installed
>> c you can use .htaccess files
>>
>> Then you should be able to use expires directives in an .htaccess file
>> to inhibit cacheing based on media type (extension).
>>
>> <http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_expires.html>
>>
>> I don't know if that will work, I haven't tried it, but I think it has
>> more chance than cache control meta tags, which are known to be
>> ineffective IIRC. It's the way I would try and do it anyway.
>>
>> Also, possibly helpful article on cacheing generally:
>>
>> <http://www.mnot.net/cache_docs/>
>>
>> Martin Baxter
>>
>> Richard Miller wrote:
>>  
>>> I really need help with this one.
>>>
>>> To get at the heart of a few problems, I just put some code into my
>>> revlet to check that when a user opens my revlet, this person actually
>>> has the latest version. Just got word from one user (Vista + IE) that
>>> the revlet he recently accessed was an older version. So caching is
>>> taking place.
>>>
>>> This code doesn't do the job:
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Richard Miller
>>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>   
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Re: Is it possible to change the revlet embed html?

[Martin Baxter]

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> What I do is just
> alter the test page once, and then after every new revlet build I just
> drop the new revlet into the permanent folder with my altered HTML page,
> replacing the old revlet. It's pretty easy.
> 

Which is what I naturally do too and kind of why I would love to be able
to turn off generation of the annoying test.html entirely. Once is
enough IMO. Every time I generate a revlet this darn test.html page
automatically opens in my text editor.  I had hoped that computing would
get more user-friendly with time, but it got helpful instead, which,
naturally, enrages me. :D

Martin Baxter

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Re: Caching problem with revlets

[Martin Baxter]

Richard

if:

a you are using apache
b mod_expires is installed
c you can use .htaccess files

Then you should be able to use expires directives in an .htaccess file
to inhibit cacheing based on media type (extension).

<http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_expires.html>

I don't know if that will work, I haven't tried it, but I think it has
more chance than cache control meta tags, which are known to be
ineffective IIRC. It's the way I would try and do it anyway.

Also, possibly helpful article on cacheing generally:

<http://www.mnot.net/cache_docs/>

Martin Baxter

Richard Miller wrote:
> I really need help with this one.
> 
> To get at the heart of a few problems, I just put some code into my
> revlet to check that when a user opens my revlet, this person actually
> has the latest version. Just got word from one user (Vista + IE) that
> the revlet he recently accessed was an older version. So caching is
> taking place.
> 
> This code doesn't do the job:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Suggestions?
> 
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller



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Re: [ANN] revIgniter

[Martin Blackman]

For dummy web guys like me, can this framework replace a content
management solution like Mambo, Drupal ?

2009/11/28 Troy Rollins :
>
> On Nov 27, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Ralf Bitter wrote:
>
>> I am glad you like it, thanks a lot.
>
> I think it would be awesome if revIgniter were just added as an optional
> install to on-rev's control panel.
>
> --
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> http://www.rpsystems.net
>
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revlet test.html

[Martin Baxter]

Is it possible to stop the standalone builder generating test.html
everytime you build a revlet?

Or failing that is it possible to stop it opening test.html in the
default html application (a text editor, on my system) every time?

(Undesired side-effects and all that...)

Martin Baxter
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Re: New build of the plugin

[Martin Koob]

Éric Miclo  writes:

> 
> Hello,
> 
> It seems that installing the new version causes some problems:  
> VirusBarrier goes crazy, the installer takes a long time to launch and  
> then does nothing.
> 
> To be able to install the new version:
> - remove the 2 files (nprevweb, wkrevweb) from you Internet plug-ins  
> folder
> - remove the "RunRev" folder from you "Application support" folder
> - reinstaller the plug-in
> 
> Best,
> 
> ÉrIC
> 
>

Thanks Eric.

That did the trick.

it installed correctly after I removed those files.

Martin

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Re: New build of the plugin

[Martin Koob]

Éric Miclo  writes:

> 
> Hello,
> 
> The installer bounces a very long time in the Dock and then its stalls  
> and makes the fans of my MacBook Pro go crazy.
> I have to force quit the installer.
> 
> Even if the plugins are first removed from the Internet plugins  
> folder, nothing is installed.
> 
> Best,
> 
> ÉrIC
> 

Hi

I have had the same experience with my iMac G5.  The installer
 bounces for a long time then will freeze.  The menu bar changes 
showing that the installer has launched but no dialog window 
appears.  I have to force quit the installer.  
This with Mac OS X 10.4.11.

Martin

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Re: [ANN]My stuff is moving...

[Martin Koob]

Mark Smith  writes:

> 
> I've moved my revolution download page from dreamhost to on-rev:  
> http://marksmith.on-rev.com/revstuff/index.html
> 
> The Dreamhost page will stay up for a while, but I don't know how long.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Mark Smith
> _


Hi Mark.   

I just recently tried your libS3 for a project I am planning.  
I had been reading up on S3 trying to figure out
how rev could work with it,  I thought it was beyond my capabilities
till I found your library.   It was amazing.  Using your sample app
I was uploading and downloading to my buckets in minutes.

I noticed on your new site you have another library libAws which
includes S3.  Would you recommend using this library rather than libS3?

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Re: how to preserve character set encoding when creating a text file?

[Martin Baxter]

Perhaps this info is a clue?

Windows or Unix character position 237 = iacute

Mac character position 237 = Igrave

Martin Baxter

Josh Mellicker wrote:
> In Czechoslovakia, the "Application Data" folder on Windows XP is called
> "Data aplikací". So, when we get specialfolderpath("26"), the path looks
> something like this:
> 
> C:/Documents and Settings/Username/Data aplikací/OurFolder/
> 
> In Rev, all works fine.
> 
> But when we create a regular text batch file:
> 
>put tBatchCommands into URL ("binfile:" & theBatchFileLoc())
> 
> the Czech character is transformed into this:
> 
> C:/Documents and Settings/Username/Data aplikacÌ/OurFolder/
> 
> and when running the batch file, the system cannot find the path.
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> Obviously we are messing up the character encoding when we write the
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Re: Opening a GLX stack in IDE

[Martin Koob]

Martin Koob  writes:


> What stacks do I have to have open to work on an application in the 
> GLX application framework?
> 
> Is there a reason the glxapp_framework.dat does not open in Rev
> automatically by double clicking on it?   All the other stacks that 
> the glxApplicationProperties creates do open in Rev.
> 
> I am probably missing some basic step.
> 
> Martin
> 

The basic step I was missing was to click the 
'Click me to launch application' in the launcher.rev stack

At first glance I thought this was to start running the application,
not for working on it in the IDE.  So I did not click it which lead to 
the problems.

Clicking this results in the other necessary stacks being opened and 
has a call to 'start using' the glxapp_framework.dat stack.

Martin



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Opening a GLX stack in IDE

[Martin Koob]

After watching the  first session of  the course 'Professional Application 
Development with Revolution'  by Trevor Devor I have been inspired to 
Give the GLX application Framwork a try.   

I used the framework to create a new application but I run into trouble
when I quit working on the application and then re open it.  I get an error
when I try to open the glxApplicationProperties plugin.
It is an execution error something like 
'function error in function handler near glxapp_getProp("framework version")'   
 

It looks like the error is due to the fact that the stack called 
glxapp_framework.dat is not opened.  I am trying this on a Mac 
and that stack will not open in revolution when I double click
on it.  

If I make this stack open in Rev with 'open with...' from the Finder.  
I get a different error.

TypeChunk: can't find stack
Object  glxApplicationFramework
Linereturn the long id of group "ApplicationObject" of stack "application"
Hintstack "/Developer/GLXTest2/contents/glxapp_framework.dat"


What stacks do I have to have open to work on an application in the 
GLX application framework?

Is there a reason the glxapp_framework.dat does not open in Rev
automatically by double clicking on it?   All the other stacks that 
the glxApplicationProperties creates do open in Rev.

I am probably missing some basic step.

Martin

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Re: Rev app 'not responding' under Vista, but fine in XP

[Martin Blackman]

Thanks to Richard, Phil & Jacqueline, the 'wait 0' does the trick,
with or without messages. I just put it as the first line in my repeat
loop.
This is what I've found for those who are interested in Vista
behaviour - a stack is more predisposed to become 'not responding' in
the IDE than as a standalone. As a standalone it does not usually
become non-responsive unless there is a lot of other stuff going on;
however if windows task manager is open, my app is almost guaranteed
to become 'non-responsive' during one particular large repeat loop.
However adding a wait 0 at the start of the loop seems to do the trick
(without speed impact), I haven't been able to make it go
non-responsive with that line in there.

regards
Martin
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Rev app 'not responding' under Vista, but fine in XP

[Martin Blackman]

Hi folks

Microsoft Vista is classifying my Rev application as 'Not responding'
when it runs a particularly intensive handler. The title bar changes
and screen updates cease. But the program is still working just fine
underneath all that, and once the handler finishes Vista releases the
stranglehold and updates the window.  However users may be
understandably concerned and will not see the progress bar update
normally shown by the program.
This does not happen on XP, it seems that Vista is a little overzealous here.
I believe Rev does its garbage collection after a handler finishes. So
a big repeat loop could instead be changed to repeated calls to a sub
handler.
But I think this would add overhead and besides I'm struggling to
think of a way to modify a couple of my problematic handlers in this
fashion.  Has anyone here had any successful dealings with this issue?

regards
Martin Blackman
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Re: chartsEnginge and Histogramm

[Martin Blackman]

Malte

any update on using the chart-engine for scatter plots ?

regards
Martin

2009/9/27 Malte Pfaff-Brill :
> Hi Till,
>
> glad to hear it works for you, though the alphabetic sorting still seems odd
> to me. :)
>
>> (I did not want to interrupt your weekend sleep)
>
> Hah! The problem is not getting any, because the little monsters won#t let
> me. :)
>
> Chers,
>
> Malte
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revVideograbber CPU use

[Martin Koob]

When revVideograbber is previewing or recording the
 CPU use on my Mac Book Pro (2.2 Ghz Intel Core 2 
Duo)  spikes up to about 105 %.   (This gets the fan 
running quite high) I have checked other apps that 
record video.  Quicktime player goes up to over 150% 
when previewing or recording.  Another  application 
BTV Pro, (www.bensoftware.com) which when 
recording the CPU use is around 100 - 147%  but when 
previewing is only about 25%.   


Is there a way to reduce the CPU use at least during 
previewing?
While previewing or recording with revVideograbber 
I have a repeat loop to call the revVideoGrabIdle with 
a 'wait 1 millisecond with messages' command to  
give proccessing time for other processes.   Is this a 
factor in the CPU use.   Is there a best practice in 
terms of how often to call the RevVideoGrabIdle 
command?

Thanks for any comments.

Martin Koob

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Re: The $%$#%#$%# Rev Geometry

[Martin Blackman]

Altuit has a good free geometry manager plugin on their resources page
- 'altlayout manager' , I use it and it writes most of the code for ya
, thanks Chipp

>>
>> If I have to go "commando" with geometry, does anyone have a guide?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> sqb
>>
>>
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Re: "Unable to open stack" from Finder

[Russell Martin]

It's definitely attempting to open the stack in the already open and running 
version of Rev.

--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Devin Asay  wrote:

> From: Devin Asay 
> Subject: Re: "Unable to open stack" from Finder
> To: "How to use Revolution" 
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 5:51 PM
> 
> On Aug 29, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Russell Martin wrote:
> 
> > Hey, in Rev Studio 3.5, if I try and double click on a
> stack when Rev is already open I get a dialog that states,
> "Unable to open stack: stack is corrupted, check for ~
> backup file."
> > 
> > The funny thing is, these stacks are not corrupted. If
> I open them by using File, Open they open just fine. Also,
> if Rev is not already running and I double click them from
> the Finder, they open just fine too.
> > 
> > Has anyone else seen this behavior? Any ideas about
> how to correct it?
> > 
> > Side note: I just tested this with Rev 3.0 and Rev 2.9
> (using right-click, Open With) from the Finder, and the same
> behavior. Never used to have this problem.
> 
> This is reminiscent of the error message you get when you
> try to open a post-v. 2.7 stack with an earlier version of
> Rev. Is that a possibility? For example, double-clicking a
> stack to open it might very well launch an old version of
> Rev.
> 
> devin
> 
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
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Re: "Unable to open stack" from Finder

[Russell Martin]

I am running Snow Leopard. I just installed it yesterday. And, I'm not sure if 
I had this problem before upgrading or not. I wanna think I did and that I 
noticed this problem a few days ago before upgrading, but I don't trust my 
memory on this.

--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Sarah Reichelt  wrote:

> From: Sarah Reichelt 
> Subject: Re: "Unable to open stack" from Finder
> To: "How to use Revolution" 
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 5:34 PM
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:38 AM,
> Russell Martin
> wrote:
> > Hey, in Rev Studio 3.5, if I try and double click on a
> stack when Rev is already open I get a dialog that states,
> "Unable to open stack: stack is corrupted, check for ~
> backup file."
> >
> > The funny thing is, these stacks are not corrupted. If
> I open them by using File, Open they open just fine. Also,
> if Rev is not already running and I double click them from
> the Finder, they open just fine too.
> >
> > Has anyone else seen this behavior? Any ideas about
> how to correct it?
> >
> > Side note: I just tested this with Rev 3.0 and Rev 2.9
> (using right-click, Open With) from the Finder, and the same
> behavior. Never used to have this problem.
> 
> 
> Just encountered this myself. Are you running Snow
> Leopard?
> 
> Sarah
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"Unable to open stack" from Finder

[Russell Martin]

Hey, in Rev Studio 3.5, if I try and double click on a stack when Rev is 
already open I get a dialog that states, "Unable to open stack: stack is 
corrupted, check for ~ backup file."

The funny thing is, these stacks are not corrupted. If I open them by using 
File, Open they open just fine. Also, if Rev is not already running and I 
double click them from the Finder, they open just fine too.

Has anyone else seen this behavior? Any ideas about how to correct it?

Side note: I just tested this with Rev 3.0 and Rev 2.9 (using right-click, Open 
With) from the Finder, and the same behavior. Never used to have this problem.


  
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Re: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?

[Martin Baxter]

I have a beige G3 - now only used for printing to an ancient but still
usable inkjet that won't run with X, and for reminding myself what
computers were like when buying one meant that you actually owned it,
yourself, and the need to protect yourself against constant snoopers and
diallers-home was barely imagined.

Plus 2 G4s which are quite heavily used mainly for graphics but also for
general tasks. I mainly script on Windows XP.

I have too many old mac programs that I still want to run / see no
reason to buy all over again.

The G4s are identical models. If either one breaks I intend to keep it
as spares for the other, and keep one running as long as possible.

You might guess that I have long-since lost interest in "keeping up with
the Joneses" as we say here. And you'd be right. I do hope to add an
Intel mac of some sort this year, but if so it will probably be brought
into commission slowly, and is unlikely to replace the others as such,
it will be more to run software that is only available for that platform.


On 26 Aug 2009, at 11:51, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> With the advent of Mac OS 10.6; an Intel processor only OS I am
> interested to see who is
> still depending on Mac PPC computers (G3,G4,G5) to get their work done.

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Re: Performance of RevMedia on matrix diagonalization

[Martin Blackman]

I just tried it in Rev Studio. Changed 'N' to 50 under mouseup, it
took a shade over 30 seconds to diagonalise, I'm using a 4 year old
AMD 64 3200+.
I'll leave the optimising to others for now..


2009/8/27 Piero Ugliengo :
> I am completely new to Revolution. I have downloaded the RevMedia alpha
> version and played a bit with it. I was impressed by how fast I was able to
> port a little VB6 code to RevMedia. This code diagonalizes a symmetric
> matrix using the Jacobi algorithm. I checked against the VB6 code and I got
> exactly the same results in the same number of iterations so that numerics
> is the same. However the RevMedia code is at least one order of magnitude
> slower than the VB6 one. For instance a 50x50 matrix is diagonalized in a
> couple of seconds in VB6 and it tooks more than a minute on RevMedia. I know
> that RevMedia is not meant for numerical intensive calculations; however, I
> would like to use it in a scientific teaching context so some power is
> needed. I wonder if anybody much expert than me can try the code using the
> most powerful Revolution Studio and if there is a clever way to deal with
> matrix algebra.
> The link to download the rev script is here:
> http://sites.google.com/site/pierougliengo/download-1/test.rev?attredirects=0
>
> One
> can set the size of the matrix in the onmouse routine.
> Thanks a lot
> _
> Piero Ugliengo
>
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> ITALY
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Re: Revlet default folder

[Martin Blackman]

Don't thank me, its not my work..I find the resources at Sons of
Thunder very useful myself
2009/7/31 Kevin Stallibrass :
>
> Thanks a million Martin this was more info than I expected and most welcome.
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Re: Revlet default folder

[Martin Blackman]

check out this link for info on folder paths
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/file010.htm

Even for a desktop app its not normally considered good practice to
save prefs to the same directory as the app


>
> Trouble is, I've no idea of a global path I could use which would work on
> all supported browsers/OS's  - is there one?
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Kevin Stallibrass
>

>
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tooltip blocks mouseleave

[Martin Koob]

I have a bunch of line graphics on a stack 
that have a mouseenter and mouseleave handler 
which change the color of the graphic to indicate 
the mouse is over the graphic.  
Mouseenter changes it to blue mouseleave 
changes it to green.

This worked well until  I added tooltips to the graphics.  
Now, if I move the mouse quickly 

across a number of graphics it looks like the 
mouseleave does not always trigger some 
of the graphics remain blue.  It appears that 
the  displaying of the tooltip is interfering 
with  the mouseleave message.  Moving the 
mouse slowly across does not result in the 
behavior so it seems there is not time to 
process both the tooltip display and the 
mouseleave message when the mouse 
moves quickly across.

Any suggestions as to how to resolve this s
hort of removing the tooltips from 
the graphics?

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Re: OT: Vista UAC behaviour

[Martin Blackman]

I'm a Windows user not an expert, but once the app is installed
properly it should not require UAC authorisation to start.

2009/7/21 Tiemo Hollmann TB :
>
> When a customer of mine starts my app on Vista, the UAC pops up with the
> well known message "an unidentified program wants access to your computer"
> after granting, it quits, instead of launching the main exe of my app.
>
> This is not the setup, it's just the start of my app. The mysterious thing
> is, that this is the very only Vista customer where this happens (up to now)
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rev debugger

[Martin Blackman]

Seems to me the rev debugger still needs some serious debugging to me.
I wonder why I don't see a lot of gripes about this, I see plenty of
bug reports in the QA center.

The sort of problem I get is that my stack is frozen after pressing
'Continue' (F5).

Amidst all the euphoria with the new revlets I hope they can find time
to fix it.
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Re: Japanese text, cgi, sql (again)

[Martin Baxter]

Nicolas Cueto wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> On and off over the last three years, I've
> been trying to crack the problem of
> downloading Japanese text which is
> contained in a mysql database by
> a stack + rev.cgi combination.
> 
> It's that time of year again.
> 
> As with past attempts, my latest too
> works fine except for the same old
> problem --  Japanese text arrives
> in the stack garbled (English text
> is ok).
> 
> Having tried a variety of suggestions
> from this list and from Japanese-users
> of Rev (the database's and its fields'
> collations; Rev uniencode/unidecode/
> unicodetext commands; etc),   my
> latest thought is the problem may lie
> with this final part of my cgi script:
> 
> 
>   -- put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr before buffer
>   -- put "Content-Type: text/html; charset = utf-8" & cr
>   put  "Content-Length:" && the length of buffer & cr & cr
>   put buffer
> 
> 
> As the commented-out lines show, I've tried
> different "Content-Type".  But not having a full
> understanding of how this or char-set work,
> they're just blind guesses.
> 
> Could the cgi-script's content-type / charset
> (or something else similar) be what's garbling
> the Japanese text?
> 
> Perhaps this year will be the lucky one.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> --
> Nicolas Cueto

Hello Nicolas,

I'm no expert but, working with mySQL and websites, I have found that
the following MySQL command is needed to tell the database what kind of
data it is about to transmit (this assumes the data is actually utf-8 of
course)

SET NAMES 'utf8'

You would use revExecuteSQL with the connection id to isssue this after
making the connection and before trying to transmit the data. Every part
of the process has to be told what kind of data it is dealing with.

Martin Baxter

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Re: Screen capture video

[Martin Koob]

Sarah Reichelt  writes:

> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Is there any way to use Rev's video capture commands to record a
> screen capture movie?
> If not, what do people use for this? (Mac only).
> I don't need a lot of power, just the ability to grab a video of a
> section of the screen for about 4 minutes.
> It doesn't need to capture audio, but I want to be able to edit the
> captured video in iMovie when finished.
> 
> TIA,
> Sarah
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I use Snapz Pro x from Ambrosia software.   
http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/snapzprox/
It captures the screenand can capture the Mac's audio and the 
microphone audio.

The captures are smooth.  I capture demonstrations of a Rev
application that plays quicktime video in a player and the capture
of the video within the player comes out well.
I also use the Universal Access Zoom command to zoom in
on features of my application's UI and it also handles that smoothly.

Martin




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Re: OT: Increasing the volume in a movie clip

[Martin Koob]

Richard Gaskin  writes:


> 
> The scrubber is there and works fine, but somehow the keys are switched: 
>   the normal key to show the scrubber is the Control key, but in Rev 
> it's the Command key. :\
> 
> So at least you can use the scrubber, but alas you'll have to re-teach 
> your users how to access it since it's not accessed the same way as in 
> every other program.
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World
>   Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>   Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com

HI Richard

Thanks for reteaching me.   Its nice to have the 
scrubber back.  Do you think I should change the 
bug report and ask to have the key changed from 
the Command key to the Control key for consistency sake?

Martin



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Re: OT: Increasing the volume in a movie clip

[Martin Koob]

Martin Koob  writes:

> 
> Richard Miller  writes:
> 
> > 
> > Thanks, Martin! All my years of playing with Quicktime, I never knew 
> > this little feature was in there. Very cool. Any more hidden tricks like 
> > this?
> > 
> > Best,
> > Richard Miller
> > 

> Another trick is to hold the control key while clicking 
> the step forward or step backward buttons on the 
> right hand side of the controller.   This brings up a 
> tiny jog shuttle contol that allows you to fast forward 
> and rewind the movie.  This works if you use the 
> Quicktime controller on a safari web page and other 
> applications that use the traditional Quicktime controller.   
> 
> It unfortunately not implemented in Revolution's 
> Quicktime Player.   This I guess should be a feature 
> request to add it to Revolution's player.
> 
> Martin
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I just added a bug report at the Rev Quality Control 
Center for the missing Jog Shuttle controller.   
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8062
In my own application I created a jog slider control 
using a slider but I think that it would be good to 
have the feature in the player itself as well.

Martin





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Re: OT: Increasing the volume in a movie clip

[Martin Koob]

Richard Miller  writes:

> 
> Thanks, Martin! All my years of playing with Quicktime, I never knew 
> this little feature was in there. Very cool. Any more hidden tricks like 
> this?
> 
> Best,
> Richard Miller
> 
> Martin Koob wrote
> >>
> >> 
> >
> > If you have the movie displayed in a quicktime player 
> > in a revolution stack or in a web page with a 
> > quicktime controller in  safari and in other applications  
> > you can increase the playback volume up to 
> > 300%.  To do that press the shift key while clicking 
> > the volume control in the Quicktime movie 
> > controller.  This will reveal an extended volume 
> > slider with tick marks at 100% and 200%.  You can drag 
> > the slider up to overdrive the audio up to 3x.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >

Another trick is to hold the control key while clicking 
the step forward or step backward buttons on the 
right hand side of the controller.   This brings up a 
tiny jog shuttle contol that allows you to fast forward 
and rewind the movie.  This works if you use the 
Quicktime controller on a safari web page and other 
applications that use the traditional Quicktime controller.   

It unfortunately not implemented in Revolution's 
Quicktime Player.   This I guess should be a feature 
request to add it to Revolution's player.

Martin

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Re: OT: Increasing the volume in a movie clip

[Martin Koob]

Mark Schonewille  writes:

> 
> Hi Ryno,
> 
> In QT there is something like movie properties, which lets you change  
> balance and volume among other things.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
> Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum
> 
> New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1
> Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
> 
> On 18 mei 2009, at 08:07, Ryno Swart wrote:
> 
> >
> > For years I have had a movie clip of birdsong in Venice. It is  
> > exquisite, crisp and clear, but very faint. Is there some way I can  
> > raise the volume? I have iMovie, and assorted audio shareware, but I  
> > cannot make it happen. I know that a number of revolutionaries are  
> > working with sound, and I would appreciate any help.
> >
> > Ryno
> > http://artistvision.org
> > http://croptoolapplication.com/
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If you have the movie displayed in a quicktime player 
in a revolution stack or in a web page with a 
quicktime controller in  safari and in other applications  
you can increase the playback volume up to 
300%.  To do that press the shift key while clicking 
the volume control in the Quicktime movie 
controller.  This will reveal an extended volume 
slider with tick marks at 100% and 200%.  You can drag 
the slider up to overdrive the audio up to 3x.

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Re: Newbie question - how to check for a varible

[Martin Blackman]

There is a gotcha to be aware of here.

Checking if a previously unused variable is empty returns false. That
has caught me out a few times.  I wonder why the answer is false. I
think the engine interprets the variable as a string instead, in the
same way that 'answer hello' without quotes around hello works.
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Re: property inspector poll

[Martin Blackman]

Check out the plug-in included with Rev called SmartProperties.
I've noticed it is generating a script error probably due to some
change in Rev but it should be pretty easy to fix I would think

2009/5/2 Josh Mellicker :
> Thanks Craig, does it work with all objects, or just fields and buttons?
>
> Are you all working with the stock property inspector where you have to
> access a menu to get to all the different property groups??!? Hard to
> believe!
>
>
> On May 1, 2009, at 6:46 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> My gadget is a rewrite of my HC development tool, though much smaller,
>> since rev does many things it did, either better or natively. It is
>> useful, for
>> me at least, especially in the early authoring stage. In HC it was
>> implemented as an external window (Dan Gelder's "MegaWindow"). In rev it
>> is, of
>> course, a stack. Maybe I will upload it to revOnLine, with instructions.
>> It seems
>> stable, and does do some very handy tasks.
>>
>> Craig Newman
>>
>> In a message dated 4/30/09 8:49:43 PM, j...@dvcreators.net writes:
>>
>>
>>> Hi Craig,
>>>
>>> Where would I find more info on your gadget?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **
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Re: hilite 'sticking' in certain option menus and fields

[Martin Blackman]

I reported Bug 7982 on this, listed as minor.
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7982

Also filed bug 7983 on strange menu behaviour, this ones a beauty,
with a screenshot.
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7983

2009/4/20 Martin Blackman :
> Thanks Francis, setting the 'focusable' property ie traversalon to
> true makes the button retain its hilite after selecting which is
> probably expected behaviour.
> But it doesn't explain the first problem with the popup, I may bugzilla that.
>
> 2009/4/20 Francis Nugent Dixon :
>>
>>  Hi from Paris,
>>
>> Martin, When you create your button by script, examine
>> the "Focus" and the "Show Focus" options which may be
>> selected. When you create a standard button with the IDE,
>> these options are not selected, unless you create a "Default"
>> button (hilited in blue). I haven't time to experiment,
>> so this is a wild guess .
>>
>> -Francis
>>
>> "The best things in life are Illegal, Immoral or Fattening"
>>
>> . With one exception ... REVOLUTION !
>
>>
>
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Re: Subdomains

[Martin Baxter]

Bill Marriott wrote:

[much intersting stuff snipped]

> - You can integrate your on-Rev service with existing, external sites hosted 
> by clients. For example, your client has the domain bigcorp.com. They can 
> set up a subdomain revapps.bigcorp.com that points to your on-rev server 
> (they do what's called adding an A record).
> 

Can you elaborate on that Bill? What IP would the A record point at? and
what would you need to set up in on-rev to accept that traffic?

> 
> - Yes, when you point the nameservers to on-rev, email for that domain also 
> is automatically handled by the on-rev servers, too, unless you specifically 
> sex up an "MX record" to direct your email to a different server.
> 

I didn't know MX records could be sexed up. Is that legal?

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Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev

[Martin Baxter]

Kay C Lan wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Chipp Walters  wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Kay C Lan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, I've had time to sift through all the advise, and again, thanks to
>>> everyone for the responses. So now just to confirm I'm not lost, just
>>> befuddled;
>>>
>>> I get one Main domain name and unlimited Sub domains, so if I sign up
>> with
>>> lan.on-rev.com I can subsequently create kc.lan.on-rev.com and
>>> dj.lan.on-rev.com. I just want to confirm that Sub domains are added to
>>> the
>>> left - seems important when picking a name.
>>
>> Hi Kay,
>>
>> Kinda the other way around. You're assigned a single sub domain (
>> kay.on-rev.com) and you can get it to work with as many domains as you've
>> registered (for now, you need to register domains elsewhere-- aka
>> GoDaddy.com).
>>
> 
> Thanks Chipp for the reply, but now I'm confused. When on-rev says I can
> have Unlimited Subdomains and Unlimited Add On Domains I understood
> (probably wrongly) that the Add On refers to those registered elsewhere,
> that I can move to on-rev at no charge from on-rev. What then is the
> Unlimited Subdomain feature, how do I go about creating the multiple
> Subdomains, and particularly what would they look like: kay1.on-rev,
> kay2.on-rev, OR something.on-rev, completely.on-rev, different.on-rev??
> 
> Trying to get my head around what the pros and cons of Subdomains vs Add On
> Domains and how to maximise the usefullness of the Subdomains as it appears
> (again I may have this wrong) to be free whilst every Add On will requie the
> cost of registration.
> 
> Clear as mud ;-|

Kay,

These matters can be hard to grasp, and also hard to explain. I'll have
a go though.

An "add-on" domain does indeed, in this case, refer to those registered
elsewhere.

Your on-rev account is a subdomain of on-rev.com

Your Add-on domains are hosted "inside" your subdomain's space, but look
independent of it to the outside world.

The major advantage of having at least one add on domain would be that
you own it - for as long as you continue to pay the domain name
registration fee.

You do not own on-rev.com, so if you set up a site or public services
using your on-rev.com subdomain address, and later decide to move them
elsewhere, you would then no longer be able to use the on-rev domain
name. On the other hand you can redirect a domain name that you own at
any web host you please.

Your add on domains can themselves have subdomains. So you could host
one domain that you own and give it as many subdomains as you please,
assuming you have a reason to do that.

I haven't tried but I would not expect that you can create any more
subdomains like kay1.on-rev.com, kay2.on-rev.com etc because the
on-rev.com domain is not yours to configure. Any subdomains you create
will therefore always be subdomains of an addon domain you have set up
inside your account space.

With hosting multiple add on domains, the typical scenario would be that
you were hosting sites you had designed or developed for customers, and
in that case the customer would normally be the one who owns the domain
and pays the domain registration costs.

A web site specialist like myself however, may own a number of domains
in order to logically separate different projects - e.g. I have a domain
for my business, two domains just for email, one domain where I put
freebie sites for friends and miscellaneous bits and pieces that don't
belong on a business site, another that is sometimes used for technical
research, plus several that I have plans for but have yet to exploit.

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Re: On-Rev: from the outside looking in

[Martin Baxter]

Brian Yennie wrote:
> Had a thought. Dangerous, I know. To me the power of On-Rev is two things:
> 
> 1) Opening up server side scripting to Rev users that wouldn't otherwise
> go there
> 
> and
> 
> 2) Bring xTalk to server-side developers in general
> 
> These are both worthy tasks, but I think it's worth differentiating
> between the two. Depending on which perspective you are coming from, any
> example is going to be taken differently. To put it simply, a PHP
> developer won't be impressed by something they could do with roughly the
> same effort in PHP. However, a Rev developer might be thrilled because
> now they don't have to learn PHP!
> 
> What I'm really interested in is #2, because I'm experienced with PHP /
> Perl / Java / etc on the server side. So why would I consider onRev?
> 
> 1) Integrated debugger
> 
> and
> 
> 2) xTalk syntax
> 
> What I think would really shine light on onRev is an example that shows
> off file handling / URL syntax and chunk expressions. In other words, it
> needs to show off the strength of the language, not just the fact that
> it runs server-side. So what kind of web app would lend itself to URL
> syntax and chunk expressions, making it way more efficient in xTalk than
> any other language?
> 
> OK, that was my thought. I didn't say I had the answer.
> 
> - Brian

Brian,

I write PHP a lot, I'm obliged to wrestle with javascript, I've done a
little Perl, have recently decided to learn Python, plus I am moderately
familiar with hosting customer websites of many kinds. And I've asked
myself the same sort of questions you are asking about onrev. As you
suggest, the appeal, if any, will probably depend on personal
circumstances, as in the general case the appeal appears weak, if this
is considered only as a server-side scripting technology a la php etc.

As a hosting package, the founder on-rev package isn't especially
exciting to someone already established as a web-hosting reseller (e.g.
me). But at the same time it is quite a deep pond for a raw beginner. It
isn't very suitable IMO for hosting customer sites, it's more of a
specialised personal hosting account. What it is presumably intended for
is as a platform for web applications. As far as I'm concerned, its
appeal is its potential as a back-end service to other sites hosted
elsewhere. Anyway, this initial package need not be part of the wider
argument.

xtalk text chunk handling is what I miss most in php, javascript etc,
but apart from that, I agree with what you suggest: language features
alone provide no strong argument for using rev over other options. Plus
PHP, for example, is essentially free and massively supported while Rev
costs money and is proprietary. For a complete newcomer to rev, adopting
it as a server-side scripting language in the face of other options is
not very compelling at this point.

I'm not a newcomer to it though so have a different outlook. I already
have a sprawling mess of an application written with RR that generates
entire websites, plus a mess of 10-minute-quickie-utilities lying around
waiting to be re-used.

Personally I can see benefit in being able to integrate that setup with
server-based services written, or partly-written, in the same scripting
language - I can re-use existing concepts, data structures and code
fragments to provide satellite services that dovetail with the way I
work back at home. As an adjunct to existing desktop applications made
with sibling technology, it has merit.

The immediate challenge to me is to integrate it with my existing
working procedures*. I dutifully downloaded the onrev application, ran
it a couple of times, scratched my head wondering what it was meant to
be for, and quickly went fumbling back to the comfort zone of my trusty
text editor, where I already spend much of the time. Perhaps its value
will become clear when my experiments get a bit more complicated.

Since I can't install onrev as an apache module in my dev server at
home, onrev is sort of out in the cold as far as my daily work is
concerned - code, save, point browser at localhost, test. Can't yet do
that with onrev though. I prefer to code in my private sandbox. Existing
systems let me do that. I see this as a barrier to wide acceptance.

On the philosophical level, I may be to marketing what Kryptonite is to
Superman but I suppose that runrev see on-rev as a component that
enhances the existing product - revolution is very desktop-oriented, cgi
aside, and cgi isn't everyone's cup of tea or always appropriate. On-rev
is like Revolution growing tentacles into serverspace. I doubt that
on-rev will be proposed as a standalone technology, marketable on its
own. Look at it another way, how many people use PHP to make desktop
applications?

I would think this founder launch of o

Re: hilite 'sticking' in certain option menus and fields

[Martin Blackman]

Thanks Francis, setting the 'focusable' property ie traversalon to
true makes the button retain its hilite after selecting which is
probably expected behaviour.
But it doesn't explain the first problem with the popup, I may bugzilla that.

2009/4/20 Francis Nugent Dixon :
>
>  Hi from Paris,
>
> Martin, When you create your button by script, examine
> the "Focus" and the "Show Focus" options which may be
> selected. When you create a standard button with the IDE,
> these options are not selected, unless you create a "Default"
> button (hilited in blue). I haven't time to experiment,
> so this is a wild guess .
>
> -Francis
>
> "The best things in life are Illegal, Immoral or Fattening"
>
> . With one exception ... REVOLUTION !

>
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hilite 'sticking' in certain option menus and fields

[Martin Blackman]

Hi List,

In my stack I have an option menu button, on which the user can
right-click to popup a context menu.

As of version 3 and 3.5 of Rev on XP, when the popup menu appears, the
option menu gets hilited and remains so (ie the background goes dark
blue). This doesnt happen in version 2.9.  The hilite will only toggle
back to off if I do another popup operation.  Clicking somewhere to
remove focus doesn't do the trick.

I found that changing the 'HiliteFill' property of the option menu to
false prevents this happening, OR waiting for the mouse button to be
released before popping up the popup button also prevents it.

But this doesn't happen with all option menu buttons. My option menu
button is generated by script.  If I create a button in the IDE by
dragging from the tools pallet I don't get the same behaviour.

As a related issue I am having problems with some other option menu
buttons and fields created by script in a group . The fields get their
text selected when I tab into them and the hilite remains when you
click outside the group. I think this is caused by having the autotab
of the fields set to true - but why should that cause the fields to
hilite differently ? The menu buttons in the same group  also remains
hilited when I select a choice, which doesn't seem right.

Does anyone have any thoughts on whether these behaviours are correct ?

thanks
Martin
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Re: Re-2: [OT] on-rev urls

[Martin Baxter]

Jim Lambert wrote:
> Switching the DNS setting so that a site can live on different servers
> is straightforward.
> But what happens with mailservers if I want to move a domain that also
> has email from one ISP to another? Say, to on-rev?
> 
> Jim Lambert
> 

on-rev hosting includes mail hosting of course, and it would be fine for
many purposes.

But it might be a problem if you want to host a domain's website at
on-rev, while hosting email elsewhere (perhaps because there is an
established in-house mail server for instance).

on-rev uses cpanel to control your hosted domains, and while I've only
had a couple of days to look it over and I'm not yet familiar with it,
it seems to insist that you delegate the nameservers to on-rev before it
will let you add a domain, but at the same time it allows no access to
individual DNS records for the domain. So if you were used to a set-up
where web hosting and mail hosting are run in separate places (as you
seem to be asking about), by controlling the individual DNS records
yourself, it might not be feasible to use on-rev, although you could ask
"the management" to make an exception for you probably.

I hope to be corrected if anyone knows better.

However, if you were happy to move both web and mail hosting to on-rev,
you should be able to do that, providing you don't mind setting it up
from scratch, and you don't have any configuration which isn't supported
by the cpanel setup.

There is also, as far as I can tell, no way to give a customer access to
manage their own email. That's fine for some customers, but I have
several customers who wouldn't accept that situation as they have quite
frequent email changes to numerous addresses. Also, to be honest, I
personally have better things to do with my time than manage their email
forwarding and autoresponders and so on for them on a daily basis.

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Re: Generating a phone call from Rev

[Martin Baxter]

Richard Miller wrote:
> Any suggestions on how to generate a phone message from Rev? This would
> be a situation in which I want my software to notify a vendor with a
> specific text-to-speech generated phone message. The message would be
> short (basically the name of a customer, a part number and the phone
> number of the customer). There must be some services out there that Rev
> can tie into for this.
> 
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller

Richard,

This might be of interest :

<http://www.aql.com/site/text2speech.php>

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Re: enable and disable submenu items

[Martin Koob]

After more testing I realize what is going on.  The 'enable menuitem'
command places the '(' at the begining of the line that contains the
submenu before the tab which makes it no longer a sub menu.  If you
disable a sub menu from the Menu Builder it correctly places the '('
after the tab and in front of the menuitem's text.

I can get it to work correctly by changing the line in the menu item ie.

put 3 into itemnumber 
put "from target..." into itemtext

if menuaction is "enable" then 
   --enable submenu item 
   put tab &  Itemtext into line  itemnumber of button "File" 
else 
   --disable submenu item 
   put  tab & "(" & Itemtext into line  itemnumber of button "File" 
end if

Doing this will get the correct behavior.  However it would be better if
enable menuitem could handle this.

Martin

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enable and disable submenu items

[Martin Koob]

I have added submenus to an item in the  File menu  using menubuilder

File 
   New Project file 
from source... 
from target... 
from existing... 
Open Project file 
Save Project file 
Close Project file

Using menu builder I can enable and disable the submenus of 'New Project
file' and it functions correctly with the 'New Project file' item
enabled at all times and the submenus enabled or disabled.

However when I try to enable or the disable the submenus using scripts
with the command

enable menuitem 3 of menu "file"

It doesn't work or I get odd results such as  the disabled item appears
under the 'New Project File' menu indented slightly and not in the
cascading menu.  This command does not work for the three submenu items

I thought I should refer to the submenus in the same way as the other
menu items by their position in the menu ie.  'from source is 2, 'from
target' is 3, and 'from existing' is 4.  Is this correct or do I have to
somehow refer to them differently.

The other menuitems work when I use their postions ie. open is 5, save
is 6 and close is 7.

I know that when using menupick for submenus the parameter given is the
menu item name and the submenu  name separated by a |.  Is there
something similar that has to be done when enabling or disabling a
submenu?

Thanks for any help.

Martin






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Re: Menu bars on main stack and different menus on substacks

[Martin Koob]

Richard Gaskin  writes:


> Being the lazy person I am, I wonder what the downside would be to just 
> leave the two sub-menu items in place across all the cards.  But I also 
> recognize that I have no idea what the app does, so that may not be a 
> suitable option. :)
> 
> If not, one approach I've used for menu updating is to store a list of 
> items in a custom prop, and on mouseDown in the menu group I populate 
> the menu buttons, adding, deleting, or modifying items as needed.  With 
> Rev 2.7 forward the mousedown message is sent to a menu group even when 
> using a keyboard menu shortcut, and even with the mouse it completes 
> processing before the menu is displayed, so one mouseDown handler lets 
> me handle all menu updates gracefully.
> 
> This might seem that it would be slow, but the engine is amazingly fast 
> with this sort of thing; I doubt you'd ever notice any impairment in 
> responsiveness.
> 

Part of my rationale for changing the menus on the new card is also
laziness on my part.   I don't want to change the documentation for the
existing card.  It is also partly that I am trying to keep the menus as
simple as possible for users by removing items that won't ever apply
(and therefore be enabled) in that card.

Thanks for your suggestion.  I have tried successfully to change the
items of the menu as you suggested using the following line of code.

   set the text  of button "File" to  the menuset2 of button "File"


However, I was wondering how I could add or remove a full menu not just
change the items ie.

MainMenuBar

FileEditHelp

SecondMenuBar

FileEdit   Project   Help

This would be another use of changing the MenuBar with 'set the Menubar
of stack'  in order to create contextual menus as William Humphrey
mentioned. The problems with the stack height changing and the menu
button appearing would have to be managed.  Is there another way to do
this?

Martin





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Re: Menu bars on main stack and different menus on substacks

[Martin Koob]

Richard Gaskin  writes:


> 
> Why do you want to do that?
> 
> Might it be easier to just follow Apple's guidelines and enable/disable 
> menus items as needed?
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World
>   Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>   Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


I had been doing that, enabling and disabling items but I have added a
feature to a new card so now one menu item should have submenus on one
card and no submenus on another card.  This is how I would like the file
menu to appear.

Card 1

File 
New Project... 
Open Project... 
Save Project 
Close Project

Card 3 
File 
New Project 
>from existing movie... 
>from recording... 
Open Project 
Save Project 
Close Project


To this point I just disabled the New Project item on card three and
added a New Project menu button to the card that shows the two options
when clicked.  I want to move that function back into the menu for
consistency so that Is why I was looking at changing the menu bar.  I
guess the other way is to change the menu so that there are three
submenus to handle all options and enable them depending on the context.

Martin









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Re: Menu bars on main stack and different menus on substacks

[Martin Koob]

J. Landman Gay  writes:

> 
> william humphrey wrote:
> > Menubars on main stack and substack
> > Hi
> > 
> > I know what happens with a menu on the mainstack and none on any of the
> > substacks but I was wondering how to implement a menu that changes depending
> > on what stack is opened. If you put a different menubar in a substack does
> > it happen automatically?
> 
> On Windows, yes. Menus on that OS are just groups, and they will show up 
> automatically in whatever stack you place them.
> 
> On Mac OS, the menubar group is moved to the system menu (and the stack 
> size is shortened as the menu scrolls out of view off the top.) For that 
> OS, you'll need to set the menubar property of the stack to the name of 
> the group. You only need to do that once during development. After that, 
> whenever the stack comes forward, it's own menubar will replace the 
> other one automatically.
> 
> Every stack can have its own menubar. If you want no menubar at all on 
> Windows it isn't a problem, just don't create one. On Macs, there must 
> be something in the system menu; you can't have an empty system menu. 
> For Macs, choose one of your menubar groups (from any open stack) and 
> set it (once during development) as the defaultMenubar. When you do 
> this, the default menu you've set up will display whenever a stack does 
> not have its own menubar assigned.
> 
> In the IDE, the default menubar belongs to Rev, so you'll see better 
> results from this approach if you only set a default menubar in your 
> standalone. If you set it during development, you are apt to lose the 
> IDE's menubar.
> 
>   Can you put just one menu item in the substack and
> > get it to add that item to the main menu when that substack is open and then
> > when you go to a different substack a different item is added?
> 
> You can, but it takes a lot of script tinkering with buttons and 
> layering and contents, etc. It's much easier to just duplicate an 
> existing menubar, change what's necessary, place it in a stack, and 
> assign that as the menubar for the stack.
> 

Hi.

I want to do what you have described and change the menus on the menubar
as I switch between different cards in the same stack.  ( I am using Mac
OS 10.5  with Rev 3.0 ) I don't want to do this in the application I am
working on till I get it right so  I have set up a test stack "menutest"
to try this out. Once I created the seondcard I created a second menubar
from scratch using the Menubuilder tool.  I use the following commands
in the card scripts of the stack's two cards.


card maincard's script 

on opencard 
set the menubar of stack "menutest"to "mainMenubar" 
end opencard

card secondcard's script 

on opencard 
 set the menubar of stack "menutest" to "secondMenubar" 
end opencard

The result is that the menubars do change but  the stack gets shorter
and each time I switch from the second card to the first card or visa
versa.  So my question is do I have to reset the stack height each time
as part of these scripts or is there another way to prevent the height
change?

As well on the second card I get the "MainMenubar" group  appearing in
the secondcard window as buttons with the "secondMenuBar" in the menu
bar of the Mac.  How do I prevent this from happening?

I have tried also setting the defaultmenubar in the above scripts but as
you noted in the development enviroment I loose the revolution IDE
menubar and have to quit and relauch Revolution to get it back.

Another question is how do I properly duplicate the menubar.  Menu
Builder does not have a way to duplicate the menubar as far as I can
see.  (I don't want to have to create my menubar from scratch with menu
builder, I would rather duplicate and make changes.)

I tried to duplicate the mainmenubar group in the application browser on
card maincard but the duplicate option was disabled.   I then tried to
duplicate the group "secondMenuBar" on card secondcard (where the
'duplicate' menu item was available)was successful in duplicating it and
renaming it as "thirdMenubar". However in the application browser I
could see that it appeared only on card secondcard not on card maincard.
 I could use the 'thirdMenubar' on the second card if I substituted it
in the open card script for card secondcard so perhaps there is no
problem having this group only on the card that I will be using the menu
on. (I have noticed new cards created after the new menubar was created
will get the newly created menubar group placed on them as a background.
  If I create a menu bar with the Menubuilder it creates the group on on
all existing cards.)

There is an option when creat

Question about revBrowser

[Martin Meili]

Hi everbody
I've got a question about revBrowser.

If I want to navigate to a URL there is no problem as long as this  
site is on the first level of different directories, e.g. "http:// 
www.schularena.com". This URL will also appear in my textfield "url".


But as soon as there is a subdirectory which is opened in a second  
window, the second part of the url  ("/franzoesisch/envol/envol7/ 
unite3/mettre_table.htm") is not displayed in my textfield "url" and  
so I'm not able to navigate to  the entire url "http:// 
www.schularena.com/franzoesisch/envol/envol7/unite3/mettre_table.htm".


Once again the two urls:
1.) http://www.schularena.com
2.) http://www.schularena.com/franzoesisch/envol/envol7/unite3/ 
mettre_table.htm


What I want to do is to catch the second URL in order to store it in  
a textfield besides of other URLs. Through this the user should be  
able to navigate to any of the in the textfield displayed urls by a  
simple click on one of these lines.


Anybody there who can help me?

Cheers
Martin
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Re: Running Mac-developed stacks on a PC

[Martin Baxter]

Mark Smith wrote:
> This is bug 3681 - macToIso() does not return correct results...
> 
> Best,
> 
> Mark

I think it may depend what you think the function is for.

The conclusion I came to when I looked at this was that the intention of
the function is to convert *human-readable* characters. Historically,
fonts have naughtily used some 1-31 character positions for visible
glyphs, so the function needs to convert these from Mac Roman to windows
1252 character codes.

For this reason, I have a policy never to pass mactoiso or isotomac any
text containing delimiters, but only the actual human-readable content,
chunk by chunk. Then there are no issues.

Martin Baxter

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Re: OS 10.5 character issue

[Martin Baxter]

Dan Friedman wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Thanks for the response.  Here's what I did (on 10.5):
> 
> repeat with i = 1 to 256
>   put i &tab& numToChar(i) into line i of tempData
> end repeat
> put tempData into field 1 --set to my custom font
> 
> The check came on line 195
> The ellipse came on line 201
> 
> I then ran the SAME routine on a 10.4 Mac:
> 
> The check came on line 201 AND 195!  The ellipsis character was not listed
> at all.  Which it shouldn't be - it's where our check is.

Dan,

In the Mac Roman character set, 201 is defined as ellipsis, 195 is the
square root symbol.

It sounds like the OS is substituting a glyph from a system font,
perhaps because it objects to some aspect of your custom font?

Does this happen in other applications as well?

Martin Baxter

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openSockets strangeness

[Russell Martin]

Hi. I've been playing around with sockets. I'm attempting to create a stack 
than can run shell commands on OS X so that I can get a multi-threaded effect.

I've never used sockets before, so after, digging through the chat example 
stack, I dug right in.

I'm finding some odd behavior that I'm hoping someone out there can shed some 
light on.

Question #1
===
The first thing I discovered, was that when I attempt to open the connection as 
follows:
  open socket to "127.0.0.1:10261" with message socketConnected

The socketConnected handler gets triggered, even if the listening stack isn't 
open and listening. Also, unless I put a "wait" line in the socketConnected 
handler, calling the openSockets function returns:
  127.0.0.1:10261

This happens even though the socket didn't really get connected. Now, if I put 
even a 1 millisecond wait in the socketConnected handler:
  wait 1 millisecond

then calling "the openSockets" returns empty (as it should).

But, shouldn't my socketError handler have gotten triggered instead?

Question #2:

If my listening stack is open and the connection is made, then while the 
connection is up, calling the openSockets funtion returns 3 lines such as the 
following:
  10261
  127.0.0.1:10261
  127.0.0.1:57219

Does anyone have any idea why it isn't simply:
  127.0.0.1:10261

What are those 10261 and 127.0.0.1:57xxx lines all about? Does the IDE use that 
57xxx (I've noticed that it is so far in the 57000 range) for it's own purposes?

Note: all of the described behavior is happening in the 3.0 IDE running on OS X 
10.5.5.

Thanks in advance for any insight or ideas. :-]


  
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Re: strange char translation from intel to ppc

[Martin Baxter]

Hi Bernard,

ISOtoMac changes characters you wouldn't expect. There are historic
reasons for this. The answer is to NEVER use the function on blocks of
text containing custom delimiters, but only use it on the user readable
text fragments - i.e. convert each field individually. A pain, yes, but
then you won't have the problem.

Martin Baxter

P.S. I have looked into these functions in detail and would add the
following:

1) They are badly named. They translate between windows-1252 and Mac Roman.

2) They are not the inverse of each other.

3) They are designed to convert the user readable characters, some of
which, historically, were stored in what are properly control character
code positions. Hence the effect you see.

Bernard Devlin wrote:
> I have a stack where I use some non-printable ascii chars as delimiters
> (specifically, ascii 30 and 29).  This stack worked fine on the Windows and
> Linux versions of 3.0 (well, until they crashed or went berserk, but
> everyone's tired of that story).  However, when I moved the stack over to OS
> X (ppc), the application stopped working.  Upon investigation it turned out
> that the delimiters had swapped - they were now ascii 222 and 218.
> 
> Is that to be expected?  Nothing else in the stacks seems amiss, and I'm
> puzzled by this.  I had seen some strange behaviour copying them between
> platforms.  When copied by scp, the stacks were "corrupted", but copied fine
> by ftp binary. When copied by ftp as ascii, opening them crashed Rev 3.0 on
> OS X.
> 
> It's not a big deal, but I suppose it might be a gotcha worth noting for
> anyone else who uses non-printable ascii chars as delimiters.
> 
> Bernard



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Re: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media

[Martin Baxter]

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Shao Sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> While I agree with the posting that Mark made a few weeks back
>> about not spamming the list with non-Rev related postings,
> 
> So much for friendly correspondence on this list. ;-)
> 
> BTW, If you take another look, you'll find some excellent FREE Rev 
> demo stacks and tutorials on Scott's site. He's always been a champ
> at supporting Rev and this community--since before there even was a
> Rev! :-)
> 

I see the wink Chipp, but what's unfriendly? My reading of Shao Sean's
comment was that it was her own post that she felt might be taken as non
Rev-related (since the post was about the use of flash for website
navigation, without a fallback for those who do not have the plugin).

Full quote was:

> Shao Sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While I agree with the posting that Mark made a few weeks back about
> not spamming the list with non-Rev related postings, I'd just like to
> point out that you should always have a non-Flash fallback for your
> navigation..

Martin Baxter

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Re: Time for a break

[Martin Baxter]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Mark Wieder wrote:
>> You know you've been doing too much coding when:
>>
>> ...you're in the middle of writing an email message and you >press the tab 
>> key to format a paragraph...
> 
> 
> You probably will not believe this one but its true!
> 
> When drawing in a graphics app I constantly keep two fingers over control+Z 
> to cancel the last drawn or painted line to correct my mistakes. When I 
> turned to real-world modelling in clay and my hand slipped, I actually 
> reached for the non existant keys!
> 
> Habits are hard to loose!
> Barry Barber

No, not hard to believe. In periods of intense Mac use, back in the day,
I several times caught myself looking for the Trash icon that surely
ought to be in the bottom right hand corner of the real world. ;-)

Martin Baxter

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Re: Rev not Cocoa-enough??

[Russell Martin]

Would you post a URL for this discussion? Thanks.

--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Judy Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Judy Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Rev not Cocoa-enough??
> To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 7:11 PM
> Hi,
> 
> I was just reviewing comments on the macNN Rev thread and
> came upon this one:
> 
> "No cross-platform framework can create an app on the
> Mac that feels
> as native or as usable as a Cocoa app, and the lack of
> attention to
> detail shows"
> 
> What?  Am I missing something?  I had thought that Rev made
> direct
> calls to the OS/other abstract geeky things I don't
> currently need to
> know about so that the machine on which the Rev app was
> deployed drew
> native OS controls rather than the Rev engine emulating
> them.
> 
> Is this not the case?
> 
> Thought that I'd check before I made an idiot of myself
> for the
> millionth time...
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Judy
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Re: Mail merge in Run Rev

[Martin Baxter]

James Hurley wrote:
> This is a new area for me, but I'm sure it is a common task for many of
> you.
> 
> I have a mail merge job for a local election.
> 
> I have generated all the data in RR for the letter, i.e. the label and
> the greeting for the letter from the election data base. (This greeting
> is a little complicated and that's where RR comes in. It is necessary to
> construct a greeting for the household, a household which may contain
> several people and some with different last names. Anyway Rev is  good
> at that part.)
> 
> Is there a convenient way to do the merging of this data with the
> letter  in RR or should I just export the data to File Maker and
> construct the letter there?
> 
> In RR would  you store the data and the text of the letter in variables,
> putting them together to construct the text for the field and then
> revprintfield in a repeat loop, one loop for each letter? Is this very
> slow? I have a lot of letters to do.
> 
> And how can one deal with the formatting, for example center the
> addressee's name and address at the top of the field, RR allows only
> alignment for the entire field?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim Hurley
> 

Jim,

If you haven't looked at revolution's "merge" command you should do so
as you might find it helpful for that part. As for formatting for print
I haven't really done anything like that with revolution, so I don't
know about that but I'd guess that could be the harder part to do.

Martin Baxter

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Re: automating Excel

[Martin Blackman]

There is an ebook by the name of Baby Steps that goes into detail about
interacting with excel using vbscript. You can get it for under $5 at
following link and I think its well worth the money.

http://www.lulu.com/content/1578135

Also as you may know there are some useful scripts on Sons of Thunder
website.

Nb. I've found with the new 'do as vbscript' feature in Rev there is a
slight difference to the treatment of line delimiters compared to running a
vbscript using shell command.

regards
Martin
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Re: Installer Software?

[Martin Blackman]

Inno Setup (its free)

2008/9/3 Ted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Can anyone suggest installer software that works with Windows (including
> Vista) as the target machine?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ted
>
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