Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-19 Thread Bob Warren
A few days back I had 2 outstanding Rev/Linux questions that I hadn't 
managed to clear up on-List. One of them was elegantly solved by Mark 
Wieder. The other did not have an immediate answer:


In Rev Linux 2.6.1, can foreign symbols (with accents) be printed on the 
printer or not?


Some discussion has taken place off-List between myself, Technical 
Support (Jacque) and Don Jungk who has been extremely helpful.


The short answer to the question appears to be No, not in #2.6.1.

The first thing to note is the following extract from the Rev Help 
(Print command) in this respect:


Cross-platform note:  On Mac OS and Windows systems, the print command 
uses the current printer. On Unix systems, the print command creates a 
PostScript file and runs the program specified in the printCommand 
property, with the file as input.


The trouble is that as far as any of us have discovered, there is no way 
that Rev can create a correctly formatted PS file when attempting to 
print a whole card. If the text contained by the fields is entirely in 
English, then there is no problem, but if it contains accented 
characters, Rev gets its knickers in a twist and produces a file which 
cannot even be displayed, let alone printed.


Our colleague Don is so well up on the question of PS files, that he has 
diagnosed the problem in the format of the PS file produced by Rev under 
these circumstances and corrected it! The version he produced displays 
and prints perfectly!


Technical support are therefore registering it as a bug, and although it 
might not have a workaround in Rev 2.6.1, it is to be hoped that this 
difficulty will be fixed before the next Rev/Linux release.


Bob

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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-19 Thread Bob Warren
Two other morsels of info about the problem of printing accented 
characters from a card in Rev/Linux 2.6.1:


Rev's performance has only been tested using Ubuntu 6.06.1 and Mepis 6.0.1.

Technical Support now have an Ubuntu computer available, so queries to 
them about Rev/Linux (or at least Rev/Ubuntu) can now be quickly 
understood without exchanging too many e-mails.


Progress!

Bob
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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-19 Thread Bob Warren

Don Jungk wrote:


 Hi Bob,
 OK, your PS file does have accented characters in it. It appears they are just 
 in the wrong place. This code that I will paste in here is something I use 
 when I have to re-encode a Macintosh font to work on my Linux computer. This 
 should be put after all of the original encoding because it is going to 
 change it. 
  

Jacqueline Landman Gay wrote:
snip

Wow. That's just...wow. The level of expertise on this list never ceases 
to amaze me.


-
And if that's your reaction, imagine mine! It's the first time I've even seen a 
Postscript file.
OK Don, thanks very much. I'll sit down calmly and see if I can manage to 
implement your suggestion, and when inevitably I have problems I'll get back to 
you. Tell you what, I'll include the whole PS file that does NOT work below. I 
did think of uploading it to my site, but in the end I decided that perhaps 
other users could more easily benefit from your explanations with the file in 
front of them. Perhaps some users will complain about the length of it, so I 
apologise in advance.

Jacque:

Thanks for your further suggested experiments. I'll come back with the answers, 
but it might take a little time because I have quite a lot of non-programming 
work to do over the next few days.

--
THE FOLLOWING POSTSCRIPT FILE DOES NOT DISPLAY CORRECTLY USING THE EVINCE 
UTILITY IN UBUNTU:
--

%!PS-Adobe-3.0
%%Creator: MetaCard 2.6.6
%%DocumentData: Clean8Bit
%%MCOrientation Portrait
%%BoundingBox: 72 72 540 720
%%EndComments
%%BeginProlog
   /isolatin1encoding [ /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /space /exclam
   /quotedbl /numbersign /dollar /percent /ampersand /quoteright
   /parenleft /parenright /asterisk /plus /comma /minus /period /slash
   /zero /one /two /three /four /five /six /seven /eight /nine /colon
   /semicolon /less /equal /greater /question /at /A /B /C /D /E /F /G /H
   /I /J /K /L /M /N /O /P /Q /R /S /T /U /V /W /X /Y /Z /bracketleft
   /backslash /bracketright /asciicircum /underscore /quoteleft /a /b /c
   /d /e /f /g /h /i /j /k /l /m /n /o /p /q /r /s /t /u /v /w /x /y /z
   /braceleft /bar /braceright /asciitilde /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /space /exclamdown /cent /sterling /currency /yen
   /brokenbar /section /dieresis /copyright /ordfeminine /guillemotleft
   /logicalnot /hyphen /registered /macron /degree /plusminus
   /twosuperior /threesuperior /acute /mu /paragraph /periodcentered
   /cedilla /onesuperior /ordmasculine /guillemotright /onequarter
   /onehalf /threequarters /questiondown /Agrave /Aacute /Acircumflex
   /Atilde /Adieresis /Aring /AE /Ccedilla /Egrave /Eacute /Ecircumflex
   /Edieresis /Igrave /Iacute /Icircumflex /Idieresis /Eth /Ntilde
   /Ograve /Oacute /Ocircumflex /Otilde /Odieresis /multiply /Oslash
   /Ugrave /Uacute /Ucircumflex /Udieresis /Yacute /Thorn /germandbls
   /agrave /aacute /acircumflex /atilde /adieresis /aring /ae /ccedilla
/egrave /eacute /ecircumflex /edieresis /igrave /iacute /icircumflex
   /idieresis /eth /ntilde /ograve /oacute /ocircumflex /otilde
   /odieresis /divide /oslash /ugrave /uacute /ucircumflex /udieresis
   /yacute /thorn /ydieresis ] def
   
   /symbolencoding [ /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef

   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /space /exclam
   /universal /numbersign /existential /percent /ampersand /suchthat
   /parenleft /parenright /asteriskmath /plus /comma /minus /period
   /slash /zero /one /two /three /four /five /six /seven /eight /nine
   /colon /semicolon /less /equal /greater /question /congruent /Alpha
   /Beta /Chi /Delta /Epsilon /Phi /Gamma /Eta /Iota /theta1 /Kappa
   /Lambda /Mu /Nu /Omicron /Pi /Theta /Rho /Sigma /Tau /Upsilon /sigma1
   /Omega /Xi /Psi /Zeta /bracketleft /therefore /bracketright
   /perpendicular /underscore /radicalex /alpha /beta /chi /delta
   /epsilon /phi /gamma /eta /iota /phi1 /kappa /lambda /mu /nu 

Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-19 Thread Bob Warren
Sorry about that last enormous post under this thread which has polluted 
the list and is out of sequence.


It was held up by the moderator because it was a little over the maximum 
length allowed for the UR-List, but now it seems that it has finally 
been released! Way back, I substituted it with a shorter message and a 
link to the PS info concerned.


Just ignor it if you can!

Bob

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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-16 Thread Bob Warren

Don wrote:

If he is opening the ps file in a text editor, he might want to check what 
text encoding the editor is using. He probably needs it to be set to 
WindowsLatin1 or Western European 8859-1 or Western European 1250. These all 
seem to work for me, but his system and printer may be different.



Before copying the Portuguese text from the Ubuntu Text Editor into the field of the Rev 
stack, I have tried altering the Set Language option (Text Editor) by 
changing from English (American) to Portuguese (Brazilian). The appearance of the text in 
the Rev field is exactly the same, and it still fails to produce a correct PS file.

---

Bob,
Send the file directly to me, but if you can, zip it first to prevent any 
encoding changes by the email program.


As I told Jacqueline, I'm not an expert, but I have had some success. Fonts 
are definitely the hardest part.



DONE. Thanks very much for your interest, Don.

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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-15 Thread Don Jungk
Hi Bob,
I just realized there is an easier way that should work for you. I was 
re-encoding fonts that are resident in the printer, but you have the entire 
encoding in your PS file.  After the line /isolatin1encoding [ you have a 
list of 228 character definitions. The numbering starts at 0. You have 32 
undefined non-printing characters, then the space, exclamation mark, etc.

So, find out what ascii code your program is sending for the accented 
characters, then you can either change the PS to put the character defs in 
the right place. (á is aacute, É is Eacute, etc.) or change the output text 
to have the correct ascii codes for your font encoding. The encoding that you 
have in this font would be correct for me, with my system set to UTF-8 and my 
HP printer.

Don

 %%BeginProlog
 /isolatin1encoding [ /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
 /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
 /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
 /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
 /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /space
 /exclam /quotedbl /numbersign /dollar /percent /ampersand /quoteright
 /parenleft /parenright /asterisk /plus /comma /minus /period /slash /zero
 /one /two /three /four /five /six /seven /eight /nine /colon /semicolon
 /less /equal /greater /question /at /A /B /C /D /E /F /G /H /I /J /K /L /M
 /N /O /P /Q /R /S /T /U /V /W /X /Y /Z /bracketleft /backslash
 /bracketright /asciicircum /underscore /quoteleft /a /b /c /d /e /f /g /h
 /i /j /k /l /m /n /o /p /q /r /s /t /u /v /w /x /y /z /braceleft /bar
 /braceright /asciitilde /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
 /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
 /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
 /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
 /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /space /exclamdown /cent /sterling
 /currency /yen /brokenbar /section /dieresis /copyright /ordfeminine
 /guillemotleft /logicalnot /hyphen /registered /macron /degree /plusminus
 /twosuperior /threesuperior /acute /mu /paragraph /periodcentered /cedilla
 /onesuperior /ordmasculine /guillemotright /onequarter /onehalf
 /threequarters /questiondown /Agrave /Aacute /Acircumflex /Atilde
 /Adieresis /Aring /AE /Ccedilla /Egrave /Eacute /Ecircumflex /Edieresis
 /Igrave /Iacute /Icircumflex /Idieresis /Eth /Ntilde /Ograve /Oacute
 /Ocircumflex /Otilde /Odieresis /multiply /Oslash /Ugrave /Uacute
 /Ucircumflex /Udieresis /Yacute /Thorn /germandbls /agrave /aacute
 /acircumflex /atilde /adieresis /aring /ae /ccedilla /egrave /eacute
 /ecircumflex /edieresis /igrave /iacute /icircumflex /idieresis /eth
 /ntilde /ograve /oacute /ocircumflex /otilde /odieresis /divide /oslash
 /ugrave /uacute /ucircumflex /udieresis /yacute /thorn /ydieresis ] def

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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-15 Thread Bob Warren

Mark Wieder wrote:

Bob-
Wednesday, March 14, 2007, 8:48:42 AM, you wrote:


 In fact, it is not necessary to expose your password when accessing a
 network drive in Linux. I cut this out of Mark's suggested command line.
 On my network/machines, the following worked perfectly:
  
 put smbclient john\\c -Wmshome -cdir into procToDo

 put shell(procToDo) into field test
  


That will only work if the username of the loggedin user (environment
variable $USER) matches a valid username on the windows computer (and
workgroup if there's a server on the network). And smbclient should
ask you for a password if you don't supply one on the command line,
even if none is required.

---
Perhaps it should, but through Rev it didn't. More practical!
Thanks very much indeed for the qualification, Mark.
Bob



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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-15 Thread Bob Warren
This is the text in Portuguese that was contained by the field of my 
test program that produced an incorrect PS file. I hope it displays OK here!


Bob



bom ar [1]
bom-bril [1]
carvão [1]
desinfetante [1]
desodorante [1]
detergente [1]
esponja [1]
Finish líquido [1]
Finish sabão [1]
fósforos [1 pac]
gel p/ cabelo [1]
guardanapos [2]
inseticida [1]
limpa tapete [1]
limpa vidros [1]
limpador forno [1]
palha aço [1]
palitos [1]
pano chão [1]

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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-15 Thread Bob Warren

Don:

Although I am pushed for time today, I couldn't resist trying to carry 
out your suggestion immediately. I followed your instructions as best I 
could, but the result was a PS file that still didn't display in the 
Evince utility.


However, since I have sent the whole original PS file created by Rev, 
and also the text in Portuguese I am trying to display, perhaps you 
could help me (us) correct it directly.


Thanks.

Bob
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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-15 Thread Bob Warren

Your mail to 'use-revolution' with the subject

   Re: Linux-specific technical problems

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

   Message body is too big: 15832 bytes with a limit of 15 KB

-
It's only a few bytes over the top.

Are you the moderator Jacque? 
If so, I suggest letting it through if you think that it wouldn't upset disinterested parties too much.


Bob

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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-15 Thread J. Landman Gay

Don Jungk wrote:

Hi Bob,
I just realized there is an easier way that should work for you. I was 
re-encoding fonts that are resident in the printer, but you have the entire 
encoding in your PS file. 


I'm a little lost in postscript, but...does this mean that if Bob were 
to replace the font he uses, things would automatically work?


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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-15 Thread Bob Warren

Mark Wieder wrote:

Bob- Wednesday, March 14, 2007, 7:02:10 AM, you wrote:


 So if mount isn't a valid command, somebody had better tell smbclient!
 Possibly, smbclient -? for the available options is out of date.
  
Well, smbclient on my Ubuntu installation happily ignores mount as

well. Or scrabble. Or any other non-option directive. Were you
trying to perform an smbmount at the same time as your smbclient call?

---
Don't overestimate my intelligence!
I just wanted to display the contents of the drive, and I thought that I would 
have to mount it in some way before that could be done, that's all. Turns out I 
was wrong.

Thanks.

Bob



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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-15 Thread Bob Warren

Don Jungk wrote:

Hi Bob,
I just realized there is an easier way that should work for you.

-
Phew! Thank God for that. Perhaps Jacque can give me a little of the brain 
surgery I need, then I'll try again later.

Thanks for now.

Bob


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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-15 Thread Bob Warren
In case my previous post does not get through the moderator on account 
of its length, here is the first part of it again with a link to the PS 
file in question:


Don Jungk wrote:


 Hi Bob,
 OK, your PS file does have accented characters in it. It appears 
they are just  in the wrong place. This code that I will paste in 
here is something I use  when I have to re-encode a Macintosh font to 
work on my Linux computer. This  should be put after all of the 
original encoding because it is going to  change it.   

Jacqueline Landman Gay wrote:
snip

Wow. That's just...wow. The level of expertise on this list never ceases 
to amaze me.


-
And if that's your reaction, imagine mine! It's the first time I've even 
seen a Postscript file.
OK Don, thanks very much. I'll sit down calmly and see if I can manage 
to implement your suggestion, and when inevitably I have problems I'll 
get back to you. Tell you what, I'll include the whole PS file that does 
NOT work below. I did think of uploading it to my site, but in the end I 
decided that perhaps other users could more easily benefit from your 
explanations with the file in front of them. Perhaps some users will 
complain about the length of it, so I apologise in advance.


Jacque:

Thanks for your further suggested experiments. I'll come back with the 
answers, but it might take a little time because I have quite a lot of 
non-programming work to do over the next few days.


--
THE FOLLOWING POSTSCRIPT FILE DOES NOT DISPLAY CORRECTLY USING THE 
EVINCE UTILITY IN UBUNTU:

--
http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/output_print_file_NOT_OK.ps



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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-15 Thread J. Landman Gay

Bob Warren wrote:

Your mail to 'use-revolution' with the subject

   Re: Linux-specific technical problems

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

   Message body is too big: 15832 bytes with a limit of 15 KB

-
It's only a few bytes over the top.

Are you the moderator Jacque? If so, I suggest letting it through if 
you think that it wouldn't upset disinterested parties too much.


No, Heather's the moderator. I don't have any access to the control 
functions of the list. It might be faster to just post a link to the 
file somewhere so that people can get it that way.


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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-15 Thread Don Jungk
On Thursday 15 March 2007 9:42 am, J. Landman Gay wrote:

 I'm a little lost in postscript, but...does this mean that if Bob were
 to replace the font he uses, things would automatically work?

I don't think so. The fonts he is using seem to have all the correct 
characters. I'm not an expert in Postscript, but I have had to learn a 
little. (since REALBasic's print functions don't work with Linux and I have 
to write Postscript by hand) When a font is embedded in a PS file, the 
shapes of the letters are there in a big bunch of binary code. The mapping 
which links a particular ascii code to each letter shape is the encoding that 
we're dealing with here. With some printers, if the string of text characters 
includes a non-defined ascii number, the print job aborts. Others will go 
ahead and print the rest of the page.

I've just started looking at the demo version of Revolution, so I can't help 
too much with how to determine what ascii codes are in the text string that 
the Rev ps that is being sent to the printer (other than reading them with a 
hex editor after the ps is written). But it should be able to send any set of 
codes that you need. If these match the PS file's text encoding chart it 
should print correctly. The encoding chart is the part with things 
like /aacute /plus /period / etc.

If he is opening the ps file in a text editor, he might want to check what 
text encoding the editor is using. He probably needs it to be set to 
WindowsLatin1 or Western European 8859-1 or Western European 1250. These all 
seem to work for me, but his system and printer may be different.

Don

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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-15 Thread Don Jungk
On Thursday 15 March 2007 9:27 am, Bob Warren wrote:
 Don:

 Although I am pushed for time today, I couldn't resist trying to carry
 out your suggestion immediately. I followed your instructions as best I
 could, but the result was a PS file that still didn't display in the
 Evince utility.

 However, since I have sent the whole original PS file created by Rev,
 and also the text in Portuguese I am trying to display, perhaps you
 could help me (us) correct it directly.

 Thanks.

 Bob

Bob,
Send the file directly to me, but if you can, zip it first to prevent any 
encoding changes by the email program.

As I told Jacqueline, I'm not an expert, but I have had some success. Fonts 
are definitely the hardest part.

Don
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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-14 Thread Bob Warren

Mark Wieder wrote:



Well, for one, mount doesn't appear to be a valid command to
smbclient. You should try this in a shell window first, get it
working, then try it from rev. My guess is you'll also have to put
username%password info into the commandline as well. Try smbclient -?
for the available options.


This is what I reported in my post on 18th February (see the Samba lessons 
needed thread):

In the Ubuntu terminal, the following works perfectly and I get a 
listing of my Windows drive:


smbclient john\\c mount
dir
(CTRL+Z exits Samba) - QUIT works too.

So if mount isn't a valid command, somebody had better tell smbclient!
Possibly, smbclient -? for the available options is out of date.

-
Secondly, I don't really think smbclient is something that you'd want
running as a process, unless you've got something really wild in mind.
I'm not an expert on this by any means, but my understanding is that
open process is for something you want running in the background, as
on a server, as a daemon for other processes to communicate with. If
you just want to grab a directory listing or file off an smb server
then try the shell() function instead.
-
No, all I want to do is to grab a directory listing off my smb server.

-
put smbclient john\\c -Wworkgroup -Uuser%password -cdir into \
procToDo
put shell(procToDo) into field test
-
Naturally, I tried SHELL first, but couldn't get it to work. Of course, 
the fact that I am almost entirely ignorant of how to do anything 
through the terminal probably doesn't help! (It smells too much like DOS 
for my taste.) Anyway, here goes with your suggested 
experiment.:


-
Domain=[JOHN] OS=[Windows 5.1] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager]
 Animated GIFs   D0  Thu Nov  9 15:52:31 2006
 Arrows ico  D0  Thu Sep 21 18:40:06 2006
 Arrows wmf  D0  Thu Nov  9 15:52:02 2006
 AUTOEXEC.BATA0  Wed Sep 20 22:32:20 2006
 BobIconsD0  Thu Sep 21 18:41:36 2006
 BobSite D0  Tue Jan 16 02:37:45 2007
 boot.ini   HS  194  Wed Sep 20 22:28:04 2006
 BRAZDOC D0  Tue Jan 16 02:35:19 2007
 Brazil Webpage  D0  Tue Oct 17 12:52:08 2006
 CD Labels   D0  Thu Sep 21 18:42:00 2006
 CDCoversD0  Tue Mar 13 18:23:39 2007
 Cleanup.txt A 3485  Mon Aug 16 13:51:54 2004
 Config.Msi  D0  Sun Jan 28 21:11:21 2007
 CONFIG.SYS  A0  Wed Sep 20 22:32:20 2006
 Denis   D0  Mon Mar 12 13:57:05 2007
 devicetable.log A23734  Tue Mar  6 12:35:33 2007
 Documents and Settings  D0  Wed Sep 20 22:37:19 2006
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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-14 Thread Bob Warren
In fact, it is not necessary to expose your password when accessing a 
network drive in Linux. I cut this out of Mark's suggested command line. 
On my network/machines, the following worked perfectly:


put smbclient john\\c -Wmshome -cdir into procToDo
put shell(procToDo) into field test

Bob
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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-14 Thread Bob Warren

Sorry to pollute the UR-List with tidbits of info - I'll stop now.

In Ubuntu, as I said, if you don't specify a password in the command 
line for accessing a network drive, it still works. But note the 
Password: at the beginning of the report:

---
Password:
Domain=[JOHN] OS=[Windows 5.1] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager]
 Animated GIFs   D0  Thu Nov  9 15:52:31 2006
 Arrows ico  D0  Thu Sep 21 18:40:06 2006
etc.
etc.
--

So now, I've been more ambitious and cut out the name of the network:

 put smbclient john\\c -cdir into procToDo
 put shell(procToDo) into field test

The result is the same as above. It works.

Just thought you might like to know.

Bob

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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-14 Thread Don Jungk
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 7:14 pm, Bob Warren wrote:
 --
 %!PS-Adobe-3.0

 /threequarters /questiondown /Agrave /Aacute /Acircumflex /Atilde
 /Adieresis /Aring /AE /Ccedilla /Egrave /Eacute /Ecircumflex /Edieresis
 /Igrave /Iacute /Icircumflex /Idieresis /Eth /Ntilde /Ograve /Oacute
 /Ocircumflex /Otilde /Odieresis /multiply /Oslash /Ugrave /Uacute
 /Ucircumflex /Udieresis /Yacute /Thorn /germandbls /agrave /aacute
 /acircumflex /atilde /adieresis /aring /ae /ccedilla /egrave /eacute
 /ecircumflex /edieresis /igrave /iacute /icircumflex /idieresis /eth
 /ntilde /ograve /oacute /ocircumflex /otilde /odieresis /divide /oslash
 /ugrave /uacute /ucircumflex /udieresis /yacute /thorn /ydieresis ] def


 14 /_Helvetica-Bold setFont
 0 0 0 setrgbcolor

 --

 However, if there IS a workaround, or my impression is incorrect, I would
 like to know about it.

 Bob
Hi Bob,
OK, your PS file does have accented characters in it. It appears they are just 
in the wrong place. This code that I will paste in here is something I use 
when I have to re-encode a Macintosh font to work on my Linux computer. This 
should be put after all of the original encoding because it is going to 
change it. This list includes all of the characters that I need for Spanish. 
Put this in one of your PS files and see if it makes the letters á. é, í, ó, 
ú, ü, ñ appear correctly. If it does, we can add the others that you need.


%Start Font Re-encoding Procedure
/reencsmalldict 12 dict def
/ReEncodeSmall
{ reencsmalldict begin
/newcodesandnames exch def
/newfontname exch def
/basefontname exch def
/basefontdict basefontname findfont def
/newfont basefontdict maxlength dict def
basefontdict
{ exch dup/FID ne
{ dup /Encoding eq
{ exch dup length array copy
newfont 3 1 roll put }
{ exch newfont 3 1 roll put }
ifelse
}
{ pop pop }
ifelse
} forall
newfont /FontName newfontname put
newcodesandnames aload pop
newcodesandnames length 2 idiv
{ newfont /Encoding get 3 1 roll put}
repeat
newfontname newfont definefont pop
end
} def
/spanvec[
8#341 /iacute
8#351 /eacute
8#355 /iacute
8#363 /oacute
8#372 /uacute
8#374 /udieresis
8#301 /Aacute
8#311 /Eacute
8#315 /Iacute
8#323 /Oacute
8#332 /Uacute
8#334 /Udieresis
8#361 /ntilde
8#321 /Ntilde
] def
%End Font Re-encoding Procedure


After you have defined the re-encoding procedure, you have to apply it. This 
is what i use to re-encode Helvetica, Times and Courier in one of mine:

*
%start Font Re-encoding
/Helvetica /Helvetica-Span spanvec
ReEncodeSmall
/Helvetica-Bold /Helvetica-Bold-Span spanvec
ReEncodeSmall
/Helvetica-Italic /Helvetica-Italic-Span spanvec
ReEncodeSmall
/Times-Roman /Times-Roman-Span spanvec
ReEncodeSmall
/Times-Bold /Times-Bold-Span spanvec
ReEncodeSmall
/Times-Italic /Times-Italic-Span spanvec
ReEncodeSmall
/Courier /Courier.Span spanvec
ReEncodeSmall
%End Font Re-encoding
***

The last step is to change the line that names the font in the code. It is 
usually a line like:

/Helvetica findfont 14 setfont

But I see you have 14 /_Helvetica-Bold setfont I think this means they have 
defined a procedure earlier for the findfont step. Probably you can just 
change the word Helvetica-Bold to Helvetica-Bold-Span

The suffix -Span is what I named my newly encoded font. You just add it to 
what ever font you are going to change.

I hope some of this works for you,

Don
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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-14 Thread J. Landman Gay

Don Jungk wrote:


Hi Bob,
OK, your PS file does have accented characters in it. It appears they are just 
in the wrong place. This code that I will paste in here is something I use 
when I have to re-encode a Macintosh font to work on my Linux computer. This 
should be put after all of the original encoding because it is going to 
change it. 


snip

Wow. That's just...wow. The level of expertise on this list never ceases 
to amaze me.


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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-14 Thread Sarah Reichelt

 OK, your PS file does have accented characters in it. It appears they are just
 in the wrong place. This code that I will paste in here is something I use
 when I have to re-encode a Macintosh font to work on my Linux computer. This
 should be put after all of the original encoding because it is going to
 change it.

snip

Wow. That's just...wow. The level of expertise on this list never ceases
to amaze me.



I'm sure you were just about to suggest that Jacque :-)
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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-14 Thread Mark Wieder
Bob-

Wednesday, March 14, 2007, 8:48:42 AM, you wrote:

 In fact, it is not necessary to expose your password when accessing a
 network drive in Linux. I cut this out of Mark's suggested command line.
 On my network/machines, the following worked perfectly:

 put smbclient john\\c -Wmshome -cdir into procToDo
 put shell(procToDo) into field test

That will only work if the username of the loggedin user (environment
variable $USER) matches a valid username on the windows computer (and
workgroup if there's a server on the network). And smbclient should
ask you for a password if you don't supply one on the command line,
even if none is required.

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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-14 Thread Mark Wieder
Bob-

Wednesday, March 14, 2007, 7:02:10 AM, you wrote:

 So if mount isn't a valid command, somebody had better tell smbclient!
 Possibly, smbclient -? for the available options is out of date.

Well, smbclient on my Ubuntu installation happily ignores mount as
well. Or scrabble. Or any other non-option directive. Were you
trying to perform an smbmount at the same time as your smbclient call?

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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-14 Thread J. Landman Gay

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
 OK, your PS file does have accented characters in it. It appears 
they are just
 in the wrong place. This code that I will paste in here is something 
I use
 when I have to re-encode a Macintosh font to work on my Linux 
computer. This

 should be put after all of the original encoding because it is going to
 change it.

snip

Wow. That's just...wow. The level of expertise on this list never ceases
to amaze me.



I'm sure you were just about to suggest that Jacque :-)


Um, sure. Right after I finished reading up on postscript, and just 
before I start studying neurosurgery. ;)


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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-14 Thread Mark Wieder
Jacque-

Wednesday, March 14, 2007, 5:57:11 PM, you wrote:

 Wow. That's just...wow. The level of expertise on this list never ceases
 to amaze me.

...my thoughts exactly...

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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-13 Thread Peter Alcibiades
A lot of the problem is communication.  

Linux is still on 2.6.1, unable to open current format stacks, no altsqlite, 
no altbrowser or altfont.  No Valentina of course.  No Media. Meanwhile the 
other platforms have moved on a couple of releases.  The last post on the 
forums was November, saying the beta for Linux (that was 2.7.x) was coming 
soon.  Since then silence.

There may be very reasonable explanations, but the worry which the total lack 
of communication raises is that this could turn into an orphaned platform.

So please, guys, tell us what is going on!  If it is only to say, this is all 
far more difficult than we had thought, and we really don't know what to do 
next, and we can't give any dates right now.  I hope it isn't as bad as that, 
but if it is, it it would be preferable to know.

Peter
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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-13 Thread Ruslan Zasukhin
On 13/3/07 10:20 AM, Peter Alcibiades [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 A lot of the problem is communication.
 
 Linux is still on 2.6.1, unable to open current format stacks, no altsqlite,
 no altbrowser or altfont.  No Valentina of course.

Good news.

We put on site 
Valentina for Revolution 3.0 beta 1 (Linux)


 No Media. Meanwhile the
 other platforms have moved on a couple of releases.  The last post on the
 forums was November, saying the beta for Linux (that was 2.7.x) was coming
 soon.  Since then silence.
 
 There may be very reasonable explanations, but the worry which the total lack
 of communication raises is that this could turn into an orphaned platform.
 
 So please, guys, tell us what is going on!  If it is only to say, this is all
 far more difficult than we had thought, and we really don't know what to do
 next, and we can't give any dates right now.  I hope it isn't as bad as that,
 but if it is, it it would be preferable to know.
 
 Peter


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VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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RE: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-13 Thread Lynn Fredricks
 Linux is still on 2.6.1, unable to open current format 
 stacks, no altsqlite, no altbrowser or altfont.  No Valentina 
 of course.  No Media. Meanwhile the other platforms have 
 moved on a couple of releases.  The last post on the forums 
 was November, saying the beta for Linux (that was 2.7.x) was 
 coming soon.  Since then silence.

Keep your eyes on the list regarding Valentina :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 


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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-13 Thread J. Landman Gay

Peter Alcibiades wrote:
A lot of the problem is communication.  

Linux is still on 2.6.1, unable to open current format stacks, no altsqlite, 
no altbrowser or altfont.  No Valentina of course.  No Media. Meanwhile the 
other platforms have moved on a couple of releases.  The last post on the 
forums was November, saying the beta for Linux (that was 2.7.x) was coming 
soon.  Since then silence.


There may be very reasonable explanations, but the worry which the total lack 
of communication raises is that this could turn into an orphaned platform.


No, not orphaned. In fact, a major priority right now. Are you on the 
beta test list? A full explanation went out to those folks.




So please, guys, tell us what is going on!  If it is only to say, this is all 
far more difficult than we had thought, and we really don't know what to do 
next, and we can't give any dates right now.  I hope it isn't as bad as that, 
but if it is, it it would be preferable to know.


A brief summary: The 'nix engine is in full development swing. As you 
suspect, the rewrite is taking longer than expected. Once the very old 
code was examined in detail it was found that it required far more 
extensive rewriting than was originally thought and release dates had to 
be extended. The rewrite is underway. Support for the unix engine is not 
going away; exactly the opposite -- it is being improved, expanded, and 
modernized.


If you haven't joined the beta test group I urge you to do so. That 
group gets updates on progress as it occurs. The target release for unix 
has been renumbered to 2.7.9 to allow for the interim Vista tweaks, but 
otherwise nothing has changed. You will see a vastly modernized and 
improved product when it is done.



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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-13 Thread Bob Warren

Don Jungk wrote:


Hi Bob,

I may not be of much help, I have two ideas.
I downloaded the 30 day trial of Rev for Linux, but have not had time yet to 
work with it. If you want to send me the stack, I will try to run it and 
print to my HP Laser printer.


Second idea - If Rev sends a Postscript file to the printer (and not a bitmap 
of the page) can you write the PS to disk and look at the file in a text 
editor. You may be able to see if the problem is in the string of text in the 
file or in the font encoding part of the PS file.


I actually downloaded Rev because of Linux printing problems with REALBasic, 
which I have used for 5 years. And I live in a Spanish speaking country, so 
printing with accents is of interest to me also.



Hi Don,
Welcome to Rev!
Thanks for the offer, but I've already tried what you suggested. I don't know 
bananas about Postscript files, but examination in the text editor seems to 
tell me that my example file is valid in format (??), but contains nothing it 
should regarding the Portuguese character set. And from what I read in the 
Help, I got the impression (though it's difficult to believe) that Rev/Linux 
2.6.1. means English only! Here is an extract from my Postscript file:

--
%!PS-Adobe-3.0
%%Creator: MetaCard 2.6.6
%%DocumentData: Clean8Bit
%%MCOrientation Portrait
%%BoundingBox: 72 72 540 720
%%EndComments
%%BeginProlog
   /isolatin1encoding [ /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /space /exclam
   /quotedbl /numbersign /dollar /percent /ampersand /quoteright
   /parenleft /parenright /asterisk /plus /comma /minus /period /slash
   /zero /one /two /three /four /five /six /seven /eight /nine /colon
   /semicolon /less /equal /greater /question /at /A /B /C /D /E /F /G /H
   /I /J /K /L /M /N /O /P /Q /R /S /T /U /V /W /X /Y /Z /bracketleft
   /backslash /bracketright /asciicircum /underscore /quoteleft /a /b /c
   /d /e /f /g /h /i /j /k /l /m /n /o /p /q /r /s /t /u /v /w /x /y /z
   /braceleft /bar /braceright /asciitilde /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /space /exclamdown /cent /sterling /currency /yen
   /brokenbar /section /dieresis /copyright /ordfeminine /guillemotleft
   /logicalnot /hyphen /registered /macron /degree /plusminus
   /twosuperior /threesuperior /acute /mu /paragraph /periodcentered
   /cedilla /onesuperior /ordmasculine /guillemotright /onequarter
   /onehalf /threequarters /questiondown /Agrave /Aacute /Acircumflex
   /Atilde /Adieresis /Aring /AE /Ccedilla /Egrave /Eacute /Ecircumflex
   /Edieresis /Igrave /Iacute /Icircumflex /Idieresis /Eth /Ntilde
   /Ograve /Oacute /Ocircumflex /Otilde /Odieresis /multiply /Oslash
   /Ugrave /Uacute /Ucircumflex /Udieresis /Yacute /Thorn /germandbls
   /agrave /aacute /acircumflex /atilde /adieresis /aring /ae /ccedilla
/egrave /eacute /ecircumflex /edieresis /igrave /iacute /icircumflex
   /idieresis /eth /ntilde /ograve /oacute /ocircumflex /otilde
   /odieresis /divide /oslash /ugrave /uacute /ucircumflex /udieresis
   /yacute /thorn /ydieresis ] def
   
   /symbolencoding [ /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef

   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /space /exclam
   /universal /numbersign /existential /percent /ampersand /suchthat
   /parenleft /parenright /asteriskmath /plus /comma /minus /period
   /slash /zero /one /two /three /four /five /six /seven /eight /nine
   /colon /semicolon /less /equal /greater /question /congruent /Alpha
   /Beta /Chi /Delta /Epsilon /Phi /Gamma /Eta /Iota /theta1 /Kappa
   /Lambda /Mu /Nu /Omicron /Pi /Theta /Rho /Sigma /Tau /Upsilon /sigma1
   /Omega /Xi /Psi /Zeta /bracketleft /therefore /bracketright
   /perpendicular /underscore /radicalex /alpha /beta /chi /delta
   /epsilon /phi /gamma /eta /iota /phi1 /kappa /lambda /mu /nu /omicron
   /pi /theta /rho /sigma /tau /upsilon /omega1 /omega /xi /psi /zeta
   /braceleft /bar /braceright /similar /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
   /.notdef 

Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-13 Thread Mark Wieder
Bob-

Monday, March 12, 2007, 8:56:54 AM, you wrote:

 2. Why doesn't the following work?

  put smbclient\ john\\c\ mount into procToDo
  open process procToDo for update
  write dir to process procToDo   [or dir  return]
  read from process procToDo until eof
  put it into field test
  quit
  close process  procToDo

Well, for one, mount doesn't appear to be a valid command to
smbclient. You should try this in a shell window first, get it
working, then try it from rev. My guess is you'll also have to put
username%password info into the commandline as well. Try smbclient -?
for the available options.

Secondly, I don't really think smbclient is something that you'd want
running as a process, unless you've got something really wild in mind.
I'm not an expert on this by any means, but my understanding is that
open process is for something you want running in the background, as
on a server, as a daemon for other processes to communicate with. If
you just want to grab a directory listing or file off an smb server
then try the shell() function instead.

put smbclient john\\c -Wworkgroup -Uuser%password -cdir into \
procToDo
put shell(procToDo) into field test

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Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-12 Thread Bob Warren
For various reasons I won't attempt to discuss now, the UR-List Linux 
sub-community is smaller than it should be. With a large community, if 
one person doesn't know the answer to a technical problem, probably 
another person does. But when you have only a handful of people, the 
chances of getting a technical question answered are considerably 
reduced. I have asked two technical questions on-List recently which 
have not been answered. I actually need answers to my questions, 
otherwise I wouldn't have asked them. These 2 questions could probably 
be answered by a Rev engineer in a jiffy:


-
1. In Rev Linux 2.6.1, can foreign symbols (with accents) be printed on 
the printer or not?


2. Why doesn't the following work?

put smbclient\ john\\c\ mount into procToDo
open process procToDo for update
write dir to process procToDo   [or dir  return]
read from process procToDo until eof
put it into field test
quit
close process  procToDo

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Again, for various reasons I won't attempt to discuss now, Mark 
Waddingham and others no longer participate on the UR-List. The person 
at the gateway of Rev technical support nowadays seems to be Jacque more 
or less exclusively, so I suppose the suggestion I am about to make is 
addressed to her. (But I am making it publicly so that other Linux users 
can benefit from the answer.) Jacque does a splendid job, but naturally 
her experience with Linux is less than it is with Macintosh and Windows. 
As I learned from my last contact with Rev technical support, she 
doesn't even have access to a Linux machine, so for example, instead of 
verifying a reported Linux bug in a couple of seconds, she needs to 
exchange a number of e-mails with the Linux user in order to adequately 
understand the problem.


My question is, can something be done about this? Jacque: If you see 
that a simple Linux-specific question doesn't get answered on-List, is 
there a way that some kind of answer can be extracted from the Rev 
engineers?


Bob


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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-12 Thread J. Landman Gay

Bob Warren wrote:

The person 
at the gateway of Rev technical support nowadays seems to be Jacque more 
or less exclusively, so I suppose the suggestion I am about to make is 
addressed to her.


Pretty much true for technical questions. Heather fields everything 
else, but if it involves scripting or engine behavior, the question gets 
placed into my queue. I work a couple of hours every morning (my local 
US time) and clear my queue daily. For non-US residents, that's often 
late afternoon or sometimes evening.


(But I am making it publicly so that other Linux users 
can benefit from the answer.) Jacque does a splendid job, but naturally 
her experience with Linux is less than it is with Macintosh and Windows. 
As I learned from my last contact with Rev technical support, she 
doesn't even have access to a Linux machine, so for example, instead of 
verifying a reported Linux bug in a couple of seconds, she needs to 
exchange a number of e-mails with the Linux user in order to adequately 
understand the problem.


Again, true. I have to ask someone on the team to verify and answer. 
There are a couple of people there who can do that, but they are not 
directly involved in tech support (nor should they be.) So you are 
right, I need to find someone to ask. On the other hand, I'm developing 
a list of common questions that I can now answer with boilerplate -- but 
if it isn't something pretty basic, I need to forward the question to a 
team member (and your stuff isn't basic. ;)) Due to the differences in 
time zones, they usually don't even see my request until the next day so 
there is an unavoidable lag which doesn't help either.


My question is, can something be done about this? Jacque: If you see 
that a simple Linux-specific question doesn't get answered on-List, is 
there a way that some kind of answer can be extracted from the Rev 
engineers?


Well, technically it would have to come through the support queue if you 
want to make sure I see it. I don't always read questions about things 
I'm not familiar with, I just assume someone else will answer. I do 
usually catch my own name though, so if you specifically ask me on the 
list I'll try to find out. I can't guarantee an immediate response, 
since it will depend on the availability of the people I need to ask, 
what time of day I see your question, and whether anyone on the team is 
around. But I'll forward to them when I see it.


One note of hope is that the whole unix engine is being rewritten and it 
is likely that much of what's broken now will be fixed soon. Or at 
least, that's the idea.


I am sympathetic to your position, if that helps. And I do intend to 
install some version of 'nix and get going with it when I get a chance. 
That can only help my own business, as well as the level of support I 
can provide to RR customers. I found Peter's recent list of distros very 
helpful in making a decision.


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Re: Linux-specific technical problems

2007-03-12 Thread Don Jungk
On Monday 12 March 2007 10:56 am, Bob Warren wrote:

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-- 1. In Rev Linux 2.6.1, can foreign symbols (with accents) be printed on
 the printer or not?

Hi Bob,
I may not be of much help, I have two ideas.
I downloaded the 30 day trial of Rev for Linux, but have not had time yet to 
work with it. If you want to send me the stack, I will try to run it and 
print to my HP Laser printer.

Second idea - If Rev sends a Postscript file to the printer (and not a bitmap 
of the page) can you write the PS to disk and look at the file in a text 
editor. You may be able to see if the problem is in the string of text in the 
file or in the font encoding part of the PS file.

I actually downloaded Rev because of Linux printing problems with REALBasic, 
which I have used for 5 years. And I live in a Spanish speaking country, so 
printing with accents is of interest to me also.

Don Jungk
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