Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Thomas McGrath III]

JB,

The SDK has javascript and VBscript examples so if an external is not  
possible then I would use RR to control via scripts in VBscript.


I am pretty sure there is a link to examples once you sign up for the  
SDK.


Tom McGrath


On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:40 AM, -= JB =- wrote:


I looked at the info and didn't see anything to help programmers
using a Mac or Revolution.

With HyperCard I was able to control X10 devices but never really
went much further due to many things not related to programming.

I suspect Rev could easily control X10.  Are there any examples?

-=>JB<=-

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Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Rick Harrison]

Hi again,

It sounds to me like what you are really looking for is
a penetrating radio computer terminal like the type used
in factories for sending bar code scans, typing, etc.
They do exist out there with base stations etc.

A low end solution might be Ethernet base stations
with pringle can antennas to extend the signal distance
or something similar.

Good luck!

Rick
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Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

[-= JB =-]

I looked at the info and didn't see anything to help programmers
using a Mac or Revolution.

With HyperCard I was able to control X10 devices but never really
went much further due to many things not related to programming.

I suspect Rev could easily control X10.  Are there any examples?

-=>JB<=-



On Jul 22, 2008, at 5:11 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Randall,

Have you Looked into X10 ?

They have many input and output solutions for appliances but also  
to and from the computer. They also can with a little creativity  
use RF and IR as well as the AC wiring schemes. They also work over  
the internet.


Check out the remote control switches here:
http://www.x10.com/activehomepro/remotes.html

Check out the software here (there was a usb plugin that accepted  
RS232):

http://www.x10.com/activehomepro/plugins/plugin-myhouse.html


Check out the SDK here:
http://www.x10.com/activehomepro/sdk/index.html

HTH

Tom McGrath

On Jul 21, 2008, at 10:21 PM, Randall Reetz wrote:

Except i have only succeded in defining the problem.  No solution  
yet.


-Original Message-
From: "Mark Talluto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: 7/21/2008 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

On Jul 21, 2008, at 6:06 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:


I don't know if everyone understands that Jack's post specified a
range of (I interpreted as) a few hundred feet in a wild environment
of steel equipment, and walls, and certainly would not allow line- 
of-

site transmission.  Bluetooth is out (distance). Wifi might work
with repeaters and the right firm and soft ware.  IR will not work
because of line of site obstacles, distance, and heat noise.  Cell
would work but presents connection issues and latency of public IP
system.  This is why I was looking for a quick and dirty RC (model
car or airplane) solution.  This would satisfy the line of site and
range problems.  It would be faster in response than any IP or
telephonic system.  Band-width conflicts would be minimized.  Any
solutions that would satisfy the requirements stipulated by this
particular use environment?

Randall


On Jul 20, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp? 
productId=2049653&cp=&sr=1&origkw=remote+control&kw=remote 
+control&parentPage=search


I totally missed that.  I guess I read it too quickly.  Glad you are
paying better attention with a super solution.


Mark Talluto
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Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Thomas McGrath III]

Randall,

Have you Looked into X10 ?

They have many input and output solutions for appliances but also to  
and from the computer. They also can with a little creativity use RF  
and IR as well as the AC wiring schemes. They also work over the  
internet.


Check out the remote control switches here:
http://www.x10.com/activehomepro/remotes.html

Check out the software here (there was a usb plugin that accepted  
RS232):

http://www.x10.com/activehomepro/plugins/plugin-myhouse.html


Check out the SDK here:
http://www.x10.com/activehomepro/sdk/index.html

HTH

Tom McGrath

On Jul 21, 2008, at 10:21 PM, Randall Reetz wrote:


Except i have only succeded in defining the problem.  No solution yet.

-Original Message-
From: "Mark Talluto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: 7/21/2008 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

On Jul 21, 2008, at 6:06 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:


I don't know if everyone understands that Jack's post specified a
range of (I interpreted as) a few hundred feet in a wild environment
of steel equipment, and walls, and certainly would not allow line-of-
site transmission.  Bluetooth is out (distance). Wifi might work
with repeaters and the right firm and soft ware.  IR will not work
because of line of site obstacles, distance, and heat noise.  Cell
would work but presents connection issues and latency of public IP
system.  This is why I was looking for a quick and dirty RC (model
car or airplane) solution.  This would satisfy the line of site and
range problems.  It would be faster in response than any IP or
telephonic system.  Band-width conflicts would be minimized.  Any
solutions that would satisfy the requirements stipulated by this
particular use environment?

Randall


On Jul 20, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:


http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2049653&cp=&sr=1&origkw=remote+control&kw=remote+control&parentPage=search


I totally missed that.  I guess I read it too quickly.  Glad you are
paying better attention with a super solution.


Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com




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RE: Looking for USB remote control ...FRONTIER TRANZPORT

[Stephen Barncard]

Here's the (hard to find) paper on the TRANZPORT interface specs...

http://frontierdesign.com/download/pdf/TranzPort/TranzPort_Native_1_3.pdf



MIDI??

Perhaps you can adapt this device from the music industry:
http://www.frontierdesign.com/Products/TranzPort/Introduction

here 
they talk about 'other applications' --  I'm sure they have a SDK.


TranzPort's native MIDI protocol specification is publicly 
available. If you don't break out in a sweat when you read about 
sysex messages and MIDI controller values, then this might be useful 
to you in three ways:
	*	Many programs let you specify MIDI parameters from 
external controllers directly, or indirectly via a "learn" mode. So 
even if a program doesn't have explicit TranzPort control, you might 
still be able to tweak some of its parameters, or control its motion 
from the next room with a TranzPort.




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RE: Looking for USB remote control ...FRONTIER TRANZPORT

[Stephen Barncard]

MIDI??

Perhaps you can adapt this device from the music industry:
http://www.frontierdesign.com/Products/TranzPort/Introduction

<http://www.frontierdesign.com/Products/TranzPort/Apps/More...>here 
they talk about 'other applications' --  I'm sure they have a SDK.


TranzPort's native MIDI protocol specification is publicly available. 
If you don't break out in a sweat when you read about sysex messages 
and MIDI controller values, then this might be useful to you in three 
ways:
	*	Many programs let you specify MIDI parameters from 
external controllers directly, or indirectly via a "learn" mode. So 
even if a program doesn't have explicit TranzPort control, you might 
still be able to tweak some of its parameters, or control its motion 
from the next room with a TranzPort.






Except i have only succeded in defining the problem.  No solution yet.

-Original Message-
From: "Mark Talluto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: 7/21/2008 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

On Jul 21, 2008, at 6:06 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:


 I don't know if everyone understands that Jack's post specified a

 > range of (I interpreted as) a few hundred feet in a wild environment


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RE: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Randall Reetz]

Except i have only succeded in defining the problem.  No solution yet.

-Original Message-
From: "Mark Talluto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: 7/21/2008 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

On Jul 21, 2008, at 6:06 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:

> I don't know if everyone understands that Jack's post specified a  
> range of (I interpreted as) a few hundred feet in a wild environment  
> of steel equipment, and walls, and certainly would not allow line-of- 
> site transmission.  Bluetooth is out (distance). Wifi might work  
> with repeaters and the right firm and soft ware.  IR will not work  
> because of line of site obstacles, distance, and heat noise.  Cell  
> would work but presents connection issues and latency of public IP  
> system.  This is why I was looking for a quick and dirty RC (model  
> car or airplane) solution.  This would satisfy the line of site and  
> range problems.  It would be faster in response than any IP or  
> telephonic system.  Band-width conflicts would be minimized.  Any  
> solutions that would satisfy the requirements stipulated by this  
> particular use environment?
>
> Randall
>
>
> On Jul 20, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:
>
>> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2049653&cp=&sr=1&origkw=remote+control&kw=remote+control&parentPage=search

I totally missed that.  I guess I read it too quickly.  Glad you are  
paying better attention with a super solution.


Mark Talluto
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Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Mark Talluto]

On Jul 21, 2008, at 6:06 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:

I don't know if everyone understands that Jack's post specified a  
range of (I interpreted as) a few hundred feet in a wild environment  
of steel equipment, and walls, and certainly would not allow line-of- 
site transmission.  Bluetooth is out (distance). Wifi might work  
with repeaters and the right firm and soft ware.  IR will not work  
because of line of site obstacles, distance, and heat noise.  Cell  
would work but presents connection issues and latency of public IP  
system.  This is why I was looking for a quick and dirty RC (model  
car or airplane) solution.  This would satisfy the line of site and  
range problems.  It would be faster in response than any IP or  
telephonic system.  Band-width conflicts would be minimized.  Any  
solutions that would satisfy the requirements stipulated by this  
particular use environment?


Randall


On Jul 20, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:


http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2049653&cp=&sr=1&origkw=remote+control&kw=remote+control&parentPage=search


I totally missed that.  I guess I read it too quickly.  Glad you are  
paying better attention with a super solution.



Mark Talluto
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Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Randall Lee Reetz]

I don't know if everyone understands that Jack's post specified a  
range of (I interpreted as) a few hundred feet in a wild environment  
of steel equipment, and walls, and certainly would not allow line-of- 
site transmission.  Bluetooth is out (distance). Wifi might work with  
repeaters and the right firm and soft ware.  IR will not work because  
of line of site obstacles, distance, and heat noise.  Cell would work  
but presents connection issues and latency of public IP system.  This  
is why I was looking for a quick and dirty RC (model car or airplane)  
solution.  This would satisfy the line of site and range problems.   
It would be faster in response than any IP or telephonic system.   
Band-width conflicts would be minimized.  Any solutions that would  
satisfy the requirements stipulated by this particular use environment?


Randall


On Jul 20, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp? 
productId=2049653&cp=&sr=1&origkw=remote+control&kw=remote 
+control&parentPage=search


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RE: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Randall Reetz]

Well, in both of the projects i was involved in (prototyping a new augmented 
reality device) i needed a flexible form factor that i could freak into a 
convincing physical device) and i couldnt see the screen, and i couldnt always 
be in wifi or bluetooth range. The original post in rhis thread asked for a 
hand held solution that would work anywhere in a large commercial gym.  Else 
you would be correct.

-Original Message-
From: "Rick Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: 7/21/2008 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

Hi there,

It seems to me that you guys are making this much too complicated.
Why not just use a wireless USB keyboard with a wireless mouse?

I have a Gyration Ultra which works great!

http://www.gyration.com/c-2-mice-keyboards.aspx

They may even have remotes too.

You can always custom tailor your Revolution on screen controls to
be easy to use in the classroom environment.

Alternatively, you could try:

FrogPad Bluetooth Right-handed - Keyboard - wireless - Bluetooth

It takes up just 1/2 the keyboard space.

Have fun!

Rick



On Jul 20, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:

>
> On Jul 17, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Jack Rarick wrote:
>
>> Hi all!
>>
>> I am looking for a programmable USB device that will allow me to  
>> designate up to six different buttons that will send mouse clicks  
>> to certain places on the screen. We do a lot with multimedia, and  
>> we want to give a user the option of using the remote in a large  
>> classroom to go to the next video, rewind the video, stop the video  
>> etc. There are buttons on the screen to accomplish that ... I just  
>> want the user to be able to stand 50 feet away with a remote. Am I  
>> dreaming?
>
> Hi Jack,
>
> I use remote controls with some of our apps.  A really cheap  
> solution is to use the Keyspan product:  <http://keyspan.com/products/urm15t/ 
> >
>
> You can also pair that receiver with a large selection of other  
> remote controls.  I have used Radio Shack's: 
> <http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2049653&cp=&sr=1&origkw=remote+control&kw=remote+control&parentPage=search
>  
> >
> I have a driver that powers that remote if you would like it.
>
>
> Mark Talluto
> http://www.canelasoftware.com
>
>
>
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Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Rick Harrison]

Hi again,

Sorry, I forgot about this one too!

Logitech V250 Cordless Mouse/number Pad

Cheers,

Rick
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Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Rick Harrison]

Hi there,

It seems to me that you guys are making this much too complicated.
Why not just use a wireless USB keyboard with a wireless mouse?

I have a Gyration Ultra which works great!

http://www.gyration.com/c-2-mice-keyboards.aspx

They may even have remotes too.

You can always custom tailor your Revolution on screen controls to
be easy to use in the classroom environment.

Alternatively, you could try:

FrogPad Bluetooth Right-handed - Keyboard - wireless - Bluetooth

It takes up just 1/2 the keyboard space.

Have fun!

Rick



On Jul 20, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:



On Jul 17, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Jack Rarick wrote:


Hi all!

I am looking for a programmable USB device that will allow me to  
designate up to six different buttons that will send mouse clicks  
to certain places on the screen. We do a lot with multimedia, and  
we want to give a user the option of using the remote in a large  
classroom to go to the next video, rewind the video, stop the video  
etc. There are buttons on the screen to accomplish that ... I just  
want the user to be able to stand 50 feet away with a remote. Am I  
dreaming?


Hi Jack,

I use remote controls with some of our apps.  A really cheap  
solution is to use the Keyspan product:  


You can also pair that receiver with a large selection of other  
remote controls.  I have used Radio Shack's: 

I have a driver that powers that remote if you would like it.


Mark Talluto
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Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Mark Talluto]

On Jul 17, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Jack Rarick wrote:


Hi all!

I am looking for a programmable USB device that will allow me to  
designate up to six different buttons that will send mouse clicks to  
certain places on the screen. We do a lot with multimedia, and we  
want to give a user the option of using the remote in a large  
classroom to go to the next video, rewind the video, stop the video  
etc. There are buttons on the screen to accomplish that ... I just  
want the user to be able to stand 50 feet away with a remote. Am I  
dreaming?


Hi Jack,

I use remote controls with some of our apps.  A really cheap solution  
is to use the Keyspan product:  


You can also pair that receiver with a large selection of other remote  
controls.  I have used Radio Shack's: 

I have a driver that powers that remote if you would like it.


Mark Talluto
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Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Kay C Lan]

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Randall Reetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> The "why" is a mid range wireless PC control solution (more than IR, less
> than cell) that would work from anywhere in a phys ed gym or large
> conference room or lecture hall... And would be easy to set up... Wouldnt
> require lan addresses and protocol... And easy to capture with standard
> xtalk handlers.
>

How about Salling Clicker:

http://www.salling.com/

Use a WiFi phone or PDA to control your Mac or PC. The range of operation
will vary depending on your phone/PDA, but the range your talking about
seems doable. See their Forums for reports on devices that don't play well.

As far as gettting it to talk to Rev, my guess is it's doable. Not sure
about the PC options, but for Macs there a bunch of AppleScript examples:

http://www.henry.olders.ca/ClickerWiki/index.php?title=System_Scripts_-_Source_Listings

The examples of how to simulate arrow clicks would suggest that receiving
'arrowKey' messages in Rev would be possible.

HTH
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Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

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On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 2:02 AM, Randall Reetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Sorry, paired transmiter reciever?
>

Yes, sorry for the code.
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RE: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Randall Reetz]

jack's original post asked a legitimate and important question.  What remote 
control options are there for the rev community?

-Original Message-
From: "Randall Reetz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: 7/19/2008 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: Looking for USB remote control ...

Sorry, paired transmiter reciever?

-Original Message-
From: "Randall Reetz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: 7/19/2008 10:03 AM
Subject: RE: Looking for USB remote control ...

When you say "Tx" and "Rx" what do you mean?

-Original Message-
From: "Kay C Lan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: 7/19/2008 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Randall Lee Reetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

I don't know if the RC protocol has been modernized to a signature secured
> digital signal with a packet sending scheme.  If so, there would be less
> danger of signal crossover.


Yes, there are a couple of schemes available to pair Tx to Rx, once paired,
even transmitters on exactly the same channel should not interfere with your
model.

>
> I have been googling and googling and so far have not found a multi-channel
>> Radio Control (RC) receiver with USB port.  There are plenty of solutions
>> that go the other way (to control RC servos from your PC).
>
>
You can get adapter cables from here:

http://milehighwings.com/index.php

which allow you to connect you RC Transmitter to a computer so you can fly
Flight Simulators (or any kind of computer game that only requires 2 x
joysticks) but this is just a glorified game pad. I've not seen a solution
where you can use your RC Tx to talk to it's Rx which is plugged into the
USB port of a computer.

Clearly then, the knowledge of how to convert RC digital signals to USB
computer signals is available, and to move the pick off point from pre-Rx to
post-Rx would only be a small step. The real question is why? Which I guess
is why the next screeching tyres you hear will be the boys in the black
Surburban ;-)
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RE: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Randall Reetz]

Sorry, paired transmiter reciever?

-Original Message-
From: "Randall Reetz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: 7/19/2008 10:03 AM
Subject: RE: Looking for USB remote control ...

When you say "Tx" and "Rx" what do you mean?

-Original Message-
From: "Kay C Lan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: 7/19/2008 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Randall Lee Reetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

I don't know if the RC protocol has been modernized to a signature secured
> digital signal with a packet sending scheme.  If so, there would be less
> danger of signal crossover.


Yes, there are a couple of schemes available to pair Tx to Rx, once paired,
even transmitters on exactly the same channel should not interfere with your
model.

>
> I have been googling and googling and so far have not found a multi-channel
>> Radio Control (RC) receiver with USB port.  There are plenty of solutions
>> that go the other way (to control RC servos from your PC).
>
>
You can get adapter cables from here:

http://milehighwings.com/index.php

which allow you to connect you RC Transmitter to a computer so you can fly
Flight Simulators (or any kind of computer game that only requires 2 x
joysticks) but this is just a glorified game pad. I've not seen a solution
where you can use your RC Tx to talk to it's Rx which is plugged into the
USB port of a computer.

Clearly then, the knowledge of how to convert RC digital signals to USB
computer signals is available, and to move the pick off point from pre-Rx to
post-Rx would only be a small step. The real question is why? Which I guess
is why the next screeching tyres you hear will be the boys in the black
Surburban ;-)
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RE: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Randall Reetz]

When you say "Tx" and "Rx" what do you mean?

-Original Message-
From: "Kay C Lan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: 7/19/2008 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Randall Lee Reetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

I don't know if the RC protocol has been modernized to a signature secured
> digital signal with a packet sending scheme.  If so, there would be less
> danger of signal crossover.


Yes, there are a couple of schemes available to pair Tx to Rx, once paired,
even transmitters on exactly the same channel should not interfere with your
model.

>
> I have been googling and googling and so far have not found a multi-channel
>> Radio Control (RC) receiver with USB port.  There are plenty of solutions
>> that go the other way (to control RC servos from your PC).
>
>
You can get adapter cables from here:

http://milehighwings.com/index.php

which allow you to connect you RC Transmitter to a computer so you can fly
Flight Simulators (or any kind of computer game that only requires 2 x
joysticks) but this is just a glorified game pad. I've not seen a solution
where you can use your RC Tx to talk to it's Rx which is plugged into the
USB port of a computer.

Clearly then, the knowledge of how to convert RC digital signals to USB
computer signals is available, and to move the pick off point from pre-Rx to
post-Rx would only be a small step. The real question is why? Which I guess
is why the next screeching tyres you hear will be the boys in the black
Surburban ;-)
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RE: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Randall Reetz]

The "why" is a mid range wireless PC control solution (more than IR, less than 
cell) that would work from anywhere in a phys ed gym or large conference room 
or lecture hall... And would be easy to set up... Wouldnt require lan addresses 
and protocol... And easy to capture with standard xtalk handlers.

-Original Message-
From: "Kay C Lan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: 7/19/2008 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Randall Lee Reetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

I don't know if the RC protocol has been modernized to a signature secured
> digital signal with a packet sending scheme.  If so, there would be less
> danger of signal crossover.


Yes, there are a couple of schemes available to pair Tx to Rx, once paired,
even transmitters on exactly the same channel should not interfere with your
model.

>
> I have been googling and googling and so far have not found a multi-channel
>> Radio Control (RC) receiver with USB port.  There are plenty of solutions
>> that go the other way (to control RC servos from your PC).
>
>
You can get adapter cables from here:

http://milehighwings.com/index.php

which allow you to connect you RC Transmitter to a computer so you can fly
Flight Simulators (or any kind of computer game that only requires 2 x
joysticks) but this is just a glorified game pad. I've not seen a solution
where you can use your RC Tx to talk to it's Rx which is plugged into the
USB port of a computer.

Clearly then, the knowledge of how to convert RC digital signals to USB
computer signals is available, and to move the pick off point from pre-Rx to
post-Rx would only be a small step. The real question is why? Which I guess
is why the next screeching tyres you hear will be the boys in the black
Surburban ;-)
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Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Kay C Lan]

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Randall Lee Reetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

I don't know if the RC protocol has been modernized to a signature secured
> digital signal with a packet sending scheme.  If so, there would be less
> danger of signal crossover.


Yes, there are a couple of schemes available to pair Tx to Rx, once paired,
even transmitters on exactly the same channel should not interfere with your
model.

>
> I have been googling and googling and so far have not found a multi-channel
>> Radio Control (RC) receiver with USB port.  There are plenty of solutions
>> that go the other way (to control RC servos from your PC).
>
>
You can get adapter cables from here:

http://milehighwings.com/index.php

which allow you to connect you RC Transmitter to a computer so you can fly
Flight Simulators (or any kind of computer game that only requires 2 x
joysticks) but this is just a glorified game pad. I've not seen a solution
where you can use your RC Tx to talk to it's Rx which is plugged into the
USB port of a computer.

Clearly then, the knowledge of how to convert RC digital signals to USB
computer signals is available, and to move the pick off point from pre-Rx to
post-Rx would only be a small step. The real question is why? Which I guess
is why the next screeching tyres you hear will be the boys in the black
Surburban ;-)
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Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Randall Lee Reetz]

I have been googling and googling and so far have not found a multi- 
channel Radio Control (RC) receiver with USB port.  There are plenty  
of solutions that go the other way (to control RC servos from your  
PC).  I'll bet my snooping around on this issue has put me on a few  
FBI and HomeLand Security lists.  Controlling a PC from a mile away  
presents some formidable security risks.  There are phone and cell  
phone controller solutions (control your PC via phone calls).  I once  
witnessed the result of a devastating crash when a 400 lb. model RC  
airplane (with a Volkswagen engine!) that resulted when two RC  
consoles were using the same frequency (there are a limited number of  
channels) at the same time.  That was a long time ago.  I don't know  
if the RC protocol has been modernized to a signature secured digital  
signal with a packet sending scheme.  If so, there would be less  
danger of signal crossover.  On the other hand, packet protocol com  
channels are notoriously bad for real time control (its is one thing  
if your love letter takes a few seconds to arrive, quite another if  
your remote vehicle doesn't turn right to avoid a mountain its left.


Randall

On Jul 18, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:

 Check out this IR USB remote (lots of buttons).  Though it is IR  
and probably needs line of sight to USB port key fob (site doesn't  
talk to range issue).


http://www.bikudo.com/product_search/details/2238/ 
usb_multi_remote_controller_rc_q105.html


I have been looking for RC controller to USB RC receiver  
solution... nothing so far. The advantage of RC (over local  
wireless like wifi, bluetooth and IR) is much longer range (up to a  
mile or two).


Randall

On Jul 18, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Randall Reetz wrote:

Jack, if you purchace a cheap wireless game controller, you can  
take it appart and solder some micro sswitches to the ic board  
where the contact switches touch.  There were something like 19  
switches on the one i took appart, plus some analog switches and  
directional ones as well.  You can build some pretty good input  
device prototypes on the fast and loose. Again, i dont know about  
the range.  That depends on the com medium used with your  
controller (wifi, IR, bluetooth, etc.).  I once tried to find a  
wireless numeric or functionkey keypad... That would be perfect.   
Ill bet if you got on a stage craft or movie special effects user  
group you could get some ideas.  What about the multi-channel RC  
controllers hobbiests use with their model airplains... i'll bet  
there are some cheap ones out there used in the low-end toy- 
crossover market.  Nerd heaven.

-Original Message-
From: "Jack Rarick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: 7/18/2008 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

Wow!

I was hoping for an answer just like this one - and I have yet to  
be let down!  Randall you are the BEST as are all the other  
revolutionites!


Jack Rarick
Braintree Athletic Systems


[EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/18/2008 5:10 AM >>>

Jack,

I use AirClick remote.  Then download and install the Proxy event
editor.  You can use the Proxy editor to turn AirClick remote button
clicks to keyboard stroke events.  Then capture these keystrokes with
your xTalk handlers... and you are in business.  I don't know what
the range is of the AirClick devise.  There is another USB devise
event re-director called USBOverdrive.  It might accept more
devises.  So long as you can get devise button events sent as
keystrokes, you can capture these with runrev handlers.

Randall

On Jul 17, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Jack Rarick wrote:


Hi all!

I am looking for a programmable USB device that will allow me to
designate up to six different buttons that will send mouse clicks
to certain places on the screen. We do a lot with multimedia, and
we want to give a user the option of using the remote in a large
classroom to go to the next video, rewind the video, stop the video
etc. There are buttons on the screen to accomplish that ... I just
want the user to be able to stand 50 feet away with a remote. Am I
dreaming?

All help will be appreciated!

Thank you,

Jack Rarick
Braintree Athletic Systems
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Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Randall Lee Reetz]

 Check out this IR USB remote (lots of buttons).  Though it is IR  
and probably needs line of sight to USB port key fob (site doesn't  
talk to range issue).


http://www.bikudo.com/product_search/details/2238/ 
usb_multi_remote_controller_rc_q105.html


I have been looking for RC controller to USB RC receiver solution...  
nothing so far. The advantage of RC (over local wireless like wifi,  
bluetooth and IR) is much longer range (up to a mile or two).


Randall

On Jul 18, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Randall Reetz wrote:

Jack, if you purchace a cheap wireless game controller, you can  
take it appart and solder some micro sswitches to the ic board  
where the contact switches touch.  There were something like 19  
switches on the one i took appart, plus some analog switches and  
directional ones as well.  You can build some pretty good input  
device prototypes on the fast and loose. Again, i dont know about  
the range.  That depends on the com medium used with your  
controller (wifi, IR, bluetooth, etc.).  I once tried to find a  
wireless numeric or functionkey keypad... That would be perfect.   
Ill bet if you got on a stage craft or movie special effects user  
group you could get some ideas.  What about the multi-channel RC  
controllers hobbiests use with their model airplains... i'll bet  
there are some cheap ones out there used in the low-end toy- 
crossover market.  Nerd heaven.

-Original Message-
From: "Jack Rarick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: 7/18/2008 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

Wow!

I was hoping for an answer just like this one - and I have yet to  
be let down!  Randall you are the BEST as are all the other  
revolutionites!


Jack Rarick
Braintree Athletic Systems


[EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/18/2008 5:10 AM >>>

Jack,

I use AirClick remote.  Then download and install the Proxy event
editor.  You can use the Proxy editor to turn AirClick remote button
clicks to keyboard stroke events.  Then capture these keystrokes with
your xTalk handlers... and you are in business.  I don't know what
the range is of the AirClick devise.  There is another USB devise
event re-director called USBOverdrive.  It might accept more
devises.  So long as you can get devise button events sent as
keystrokes, you can capture these with runrev handlers.

Randall

On Jul 17, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Jack Rarick wrote:


Hi all!

I am looking for a programmable USB device that will allow me to
designate up to six different buttons that will send mouse clicks
to certain places on the screen. We do a lot with multimedia, and
we want to give a user the option of using the remote in a large
classroom to go to the next video, rewind the video, stop the video
etc. There are buttons on the screen to accomplish that ... I just
want the user to be able to stand 50 feet away with a remote. Am I
dreaming?

All help will be appreciated!

Thank you,

Jack Rarick
Braintree Athletic Systems
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RE: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Randall Reetz]

Jack, if you purchace a cheap wireless game controller, you can take it appart 
and solder some micro sswitches to the ic board where the contact switches 
touch.  There were something like 19 switches on the one i took appart, plus 
some analog switches and directional ones as well.  You can build some pretty 
good input device prototypes on the fast and loose. Again, i dont know about 
the range.  That depends on the com medium used with your controller (wifi, IR, 
bluetooth, etc.).  I once tried to find a wireless numeric or functionkey 
keypad... That would be perfect.  Ill bet if you got on a stage craft or movie 
special effects user group you could get some ideas.  What about the 
multi-channel RC controllers hobbiests use with their model airplains... i'll 
bet there are some cheap ones out there used in the low-end toy-crossover 
market.  Nerd heaven.
-Original Message-
From: "Jack Rarick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: 7/18/2008 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

Wow!

I was hoping for an answer just like this one - and I have yet to be let down!  
Randall you are the BEST as are all the other revolutionites!

Jack Rarick
Braintree Athletic Systems

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/18/2008 5:10 AM >>>
Jack,

I use AirClick remote.  Then download and install the Proxy event  
editor.  You can use the Proxy editor to turn AirClick remote button  
clicks to keyboard stroke events.  Then capture these keystrokes with  
your xTalk handlers... and you are in business.  I don't know what  
the range is of the AirClick devise.  There is another USB devise  
event re-director called USBOverdrive.  It might accept more  
devises.  So long as you can get devise button events sent as  
keystrokes, you can capture these with runrev handlers.

Randall

On Jul 17, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Jack Rarick wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> I am looking for a programmable USB device that will allow me to  
> designate up to six different buttons that will send mouse clicks  
> to certain places on the screen. We do a lot with multimedia, and  
> we want to give a user the option of using the remote in a large  
> classroom to go to the next video, rewind the video, stop the video  
> etc. There are buttons on the screen to accomplish that ... I just  
> want the user to be able to stand 50 feet away with a remote. Am I  
> dreaming?
>
> All help will be appreciated!
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jack Rarick
> Braintree Athletic Systems
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Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

[René Micout]

Hello from Paris,
You can see also for ControllerMate V4 :
http://www.orderedbytes.com/
René

Le 18 juil. 08 à 14:15, Jack Rarick a écrit :


Wow!

I was hoping for an answer just like this one - and I have yet to  
be let down!  Randall you are the BEST as are all the other  
revolutionites!


Jack Rarick
Braintree Athletic Systems


[EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/18/2008 5:10 AM >>>

Jack,

I use AirClick remote.  Then download and install the Proxy event
editor.  You can use the Proxy editor to turn AirClick remote button
clicks to keyboard stroke events.  Then capture these keystrokes with
your xTalk handlers... and you are in business.  I don't know what
the range is of the AirClick devise.  There is another USB devise
event re-director called USBOverdrive.  It might accept more
devises.  So long as you can get devise button events sent as
keystrokes, you can capture these with runrev handlers.

Randall

On Jul 17, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Jack Rarick wrote:


Hi all!

I am looking for a programmable USB device that will allow me to
designate up to six different buttons that will send mouse clicks
to certain places on the screen. We do a lot with multimedia, and
we want to give a user the option of using the remote in a large
classroom to go to the next video, rewind the video, stop the video
etc. There are buttons on the screen to accomplish that ... I just
want the user to be able to stand 50 feet away with a remote. Am I
dreaming?

All help will be appreciated!

Thank you,

Jack Rarick
Braintree Athletic Systems
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Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Jack Rarick]

Wow!

I was hoping for an answer just like this one - and I have yet to be let down!  
Randall you are the BEST as are all the other revolutionites!

Jack Rarick
Braintree Athletic Systems

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/18/2008 5:10 AM >>>
Jack,

I use AirClick remote.  Then download and install the Proxy event  
editor.  You can use the Proxy editor to turn AirClick remote button  
clicks to keyboard stroke events.  Then capture these keystrokes with  
your xTalk handlers... and you are in business.  I don't know what  
the range is of the AirClick devise.  There is another USB devise  
event re-director called USBOverdrive.  It might accept more  
devises.  So long as you can get devise button events sent as  
keystrokes, you can capture these with runrev handlers.

Randall

On Jul 17, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Jack Rarick wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> I am looking for a programmable USB device that will allow me to  
> designate up to six different buttons that will send mouse clicks  
> to certain places on the screen. We do a lot with multimedia, and  
> we want to give a user the option of using the remote in a large  
> classroom to go to the next video, rewind the video, stop the video  
> etc. There are buttons on the screen to accomplish that ... I just  
> want the user to be able to stand 50 feet away with a remote. Am I  
> dreaming?
>
> All help will be appreciated!
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jack Rarick
> Braintree Athletic Systems
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Re: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Randall Lee Reetz]

Jack,

I use AirClick remote.  Then download and install the Proxy event  
editor.  You can use the Proxy editor to turn AirClick remote button  
clicks to keyboard stroke events.  Then capture these keystrokes with  
your xTalk handlers... and you are in business.  I don't know what  
the range is of the AirClick devise.  There is another USB devise  
event re-director called USBOverdrive.  It might accept more  
devises.  So long as you can get devise button events sent as  
keystrokes, you can capture these with runrev handlers.


Randall

On Jul 17, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Jack Rarick wrote:


Hi all!

I am looking for a programmable USB device that will allow me to  
designate up to six different buttons that will send mouse clicks  
to certain places on the screen. We do a lot with multimedia, and  
we want to give a user the option of using the remote in a large  
classroom to go to the next video, rewind the video, stop the video  
etc. There are buttons on the screen to accomplish that ... I just  
want the user to be able to stand 50 feet away with a remote. Am I  
dreaming?


All help will be appreciated!

Thank you,

Jack Rarick
Braintree Athletic Systems
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RE: Looking for USB remote control ...

[Randall Reetz]

I can answer your question in two hours when i get home.  Have done this.  Are 
you on a mac?

-Original Message-
From: "Jack Rarick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: 7/17/2008 7:38 PM
Subject: Looking for USB remote control ...

Hi all!

I am looking for a programmable USB device that will allow me to designate up 
to six different buttons that will send mouse clicks to certain places on the 
screen. We do a lot with multimedia, and we want to give a user the option of 
using the remote in a large classroom to go to the next video, rewind the 
video, stop the video etc. There are buttons on the screen to accomplish that 
... I just want the user to be able to stand 50 feet away with a remote. Am I 
dreaming?

All help will be appreciated!

Thank you,

Jack Rarick
Braintree Athletic Systems
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Looking for USB remote control ...

[Jack Rarick]

Hi all!

I am looking for a programmable USB device that will allow me to designate up 
to six different buttons that will send mouse clicks to certain places on the 
screen. We do a lot with multimedia, and we want to give a user the option of 
using the remote in a large classroom to go to the next video, rewind the 
video, stop the video etc. There are buttons on the screen to accomplish that 
... I just want the user to be able to stand 50 feet away with a remote. Am I 
dreaming?

All help will be appreciated!

Thank you,

Jack Rarick
Braintree Athletic Systems
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