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Ping Pong!!! I LOVE PING PONG P * P Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgr...@comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Jul 2, 2009, at 1:26 AM, Shari wrote: I listed myself on Reunion.com eons ago, hoping to see all my old schoomates doing the same. They were starting to. Then the site changed not only their name, but the whole class listing thing, and became user unfriendly. Facebook seems to be doing the thing they used to do, where you can see your classmates not only for your year, but years before and after, because obviously not all your friends were in your class. Kinda cool, yes. I only wish they let you do grade schools and junior highs, too. Now THAT would be really cool! I'm not a big social networker but yes, some socializing is cool. I just reconnected with an old friend from my Macintosh Users Group that I'm no longer a member of. If I was a high school kid and all my friends were on Facebook, and we were all connected, yes it would be very very heady! The wall being your yearbook... very heady indeedy. I keep getting emails from Reunion.com trying to entice me back. One fellow keeps looking me up. The ex-husband of a good friend, they had an ugly divorce. Now why oh why does he keep looking at my profile there? Surely he knows I know how badly they ended? Unless he wants to tell his side... (crazy people) Shari -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Ping Pong!!! I LOVE PING PONG P * P I've got a fan! Woo hoo! And a face to go with the name :-) Now how did he find me? Dunno. I musta shown up on his potential buddy list since many of you are on mine. If anybody's looking you'll find me under Coxford. Now I dare you to find a friend whose last name is Smith or Johnson. All you can do is hope they look for you someday... -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Actually, I went through all of your different businesses and searched on them until I found your full name on one and searched that in FB. Nice trail through shareware, t-shirts, other t-shirts, still other t- shirts etc. until the Pong fan page. [OT] I also sell t-shirts online and write applications. Is this a coincidence??? I also have multiple online businesses. Hmmm... My latest is providing dedicated portals to online businesses as an application on the iPhone. I have just finished teaching myself how to write the iPhone apps and am researching best practices for optimal web views. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgr...@comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Shari wrote: Ping Pong!!! I LOVE PING PONG P * P I've got a fan! Woo hoo! And a face to go with the name :-) Now how did he find me? Dunno. I musta shown up on his potential buddy list since many of you are on mine. If anybody's looking you'll find me under Coxford. Now I dare you to find a friend whose last name is Smith or Johnson. All you can do is hope they look for you someday... -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I still think it ironic that we are intolerant of governments and corporations when they engage in behaviors we excuse in our selves. I wouldn't lump these two together. But if your point is that corporations are just providing a service that we want, I can see your point. The problem I see is that at least in the United States, for the most part, we don't own our own data. It is also legal, apparently, to attach penalties (or should it be benefits) to not disclosing data when its for services that have nothing to do with the service. For example - does Safeway really need to know that I, personally, bought Ben Jerry's Imagine World Peace, or that my preferences for this ice cream occur on date X in location Y? If I do not disclose this information by using a rewards card, that Ill be charged significantly more? For purely inventory purposes, they don't really need to know that. As a reseller, they haven't any vested right in the property of the product to even ask that - they haven't licensed that pint to me. Now its perhaps good for them to know that this particular store sells through this particular product at rate X - but they do not need to tag me with that information. What combination of future devices can be used in the future with this information? How will Safeway, in the future, utilize that information to provide complementary services with its partners? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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This is a problem that revolves around 2 highly abstract concepts: 'Rights' and 'Property'; both of which have no reality in the physical sense at all. 'Rights' are even more nebulous than 'Property' so I'll TRY to show what is 'odd' about the concept of property first. For the sake of argument: 1. I own a house in Scotland. How would I ultimately prove that? Well . . . title deeds (which can be faked), the beliefs of my neighbours (notoriously fickle), a rental agreement (on paper) I have with somebody who pays me money to live in the house. Difficult one. 2. I own the coat I am wearing. Really? Begs the question. 3. I own my ideas, ways I behave ['data'], and so on. WHAT do you own? An abstract concept (ownership) applied to a set of abstractions and behaviours resulting from a congeries of abstractions. 'Rights' Consider: I have a right to own a fridge. What on earth does that mean? Either I own a fridge (maybe that constitutes having a fridge inside my house), or I don't. I suppose we could have a piece of paper drawn up by some chaps that states Every man has the right to . but I really wonder if the chaps who drew up that paper had really thought through what that meant? Lynn Fredricks wrote: snip For example - does Safeway really need to know that I, personally, bought Ben Jerry's Imagine World Peace, or that my preferences for this ice cream occur on date X in location Y? If I do not disclose this information by using a rewards card, that Ill be charged significantly more? snip Now, knowledge is mine only as long as it is locked inside my head; as soon as it is out, running around wild, in the open it is as free as a bird. Anybody who sees me buying Haggis at Mogerley's in Dumfries doesn't, surely, have to ask my permission to tell that piece of information to the owner of the Instant Plastic Haggis Factory so he can flood my letter box with multi-coloured pamphlets about how his Haggises are only made from the meat of choicest stray dogs and cats? If I do not disclose this information by using a rewards card, that Ill be charged significantly more? Tough cheese, you live in a market-driven economy - move to a people's paradise such as Cuba (or, soon to be Venezuela and Nepal) if you can't hack it. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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You have a choice. Dont sign up for special sales gimmicks. Coupons, and the like dominate our retail world because people are stupid or greedy enough and especially selfish enough to take part and thus demand such false economy systems. Safeway spends hundereds of millions of dollars on these schemes. Who pays that cost?. Those who sign up pay some of that cost, but especially those good people who wont. It is a draconian tax on those who still have a sence of morality and responcibility towards others. If people cared more about the health of the economy than saving 29 cents on a 12 pack of toilet paper, the cost of all goods would come down. Very time we sign up for or make use of a membership program we are saying i want someone else to pay for my greed, and we are saying that to people with a greater sence of morality and a greater respect for comunity anf the future. Is saving 29 cents worth the moral cost that it represents? If so, we deserve the economic crash and global climate catastrophe. In a global economy we vote more with our puchaces than in the polling booth. Lets all start owning up to the fact that we are buying more than toilet paper each time we go to the checkout register. Maybe 29 cents is a bargain if what you are really buying is social welfair, fairness, trust and respect for your fellow humans, and a much more stable future. -Original Message- From: Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com To: 'How to use Revolution' use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 7/2/2009 10:14 AM Subject: RE: Creepy 2020 I still think it ironic that we are intolerant of governments and corporations when they engage in behaviors we excuse in our selves. I wouldn't lump these two together. But if your point is that corporations are just providing a service that we want, I can see your point. The problem I see is that at least in the United States, for the most part, we don't own our own data. It is also legal, apparently, to attach penalties (or should it be benefits) to not disclosing data when its for services that have nothing to do with the service. For example - does Safeway really need to know that I, personally, bought Ben Jerry's Imagine World Peace, or that my preferences for this ice cream occur on date X in location Y? If I do not disclose this information by using a rewards card, that Ill be charged significantly more? For purely inventory purposes, they don't really need to know that. As a reseller, they haven't any vested right in the property of the product to even ask that - they haven't licensed that pint to me. Now its perhaps good for them to know that this particular store sells through this particular product at rate X - but they do not need to tag me with that information. What combination of future devices can be used in the future with this information? How will Safeway, in the future, utilize that information to provide complementary services with its partners? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Randall Reetz wrote: You have a choice. Dont sign up for special sales gimmicks. Or go ahead and sign up for the Normal Price cards (which the stores mislabel Customer Rewards cards), but just don't use any real info. If you apply at the counter they'll hand you the card on the spot; no need for a valid mailing address. While you're at it, it's helpful for privacy advocacy to fill out the application with a completely different demographic profile than yours, so the more people who do this the less useful the database becomes. As these scammers begin to realize they've been scammed, they'll have to return to the fundamental goal of good business: delivering value. Fourth World's Privacy Policy linked to from every page at our site makes our position on these things clear: http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/privacy.html -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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You have a choice. Dont sign up for special sales gimmicks. Coupons, and the like dominate our retail world because people are stupid or greedy enough and especially selfish enough to take part and thus demand such false economy systems. Safeway spends hundereds of millions of dollars on these schemes. Who pays that cost?. Those who sign up pay some of that cost, but especially those good people who wont. It is a draconian tax on those who still have a sence of morality and responcibility towards others. If people cared more about the health of the economy than saving 29 cents on a 12 pack of toilet paper, the cost of all goods would come down. Very time we sign up for or make use of a membership program we are saying i want someone else to pay for my greed, and we are saying that to people with a greater sence of morality and a greater respect for comunity anf the future. Is saving 29 cents worth the moral cost that it represents? If so, we deserve the economic crash and global climate catastrophe. In a global economy we vote more with our puchaces than in the polling booth. Lets all start owning up to the fact that we are buying more than toilet paper each time we go to the checkout register. Maybe 29 cents is a bargain if what you are really buying is social welfair, fairness, trust and respect for your fellow humans, and a much more stable future. -Original Message- From: Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com To: 'How to use Revolution' use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 7/2/2009 10:14 AM Subject: RE: Creepy 2020 I still think it ironic that we are intolerant of governments and corporations when they engage in behaviors we excuse in our selves. I wouldn't lump these two together. But if your point is that corporations are just providing a service that we want, I can see your point. The problem I see is that at least in the United States, for the most part, we don't own our own data. It is also legal, apparently, to attach penalties (or should it be benefits) to not disclosing data when its for services that have nothing to do with the service. For example - does Safeway really need to know that I, personally, bought Ben Jerry's Imagine World Peace, or that my preferences for this ice cream occur on date X in location Y? If I do not disclose this information by using a rewards card, that Ill be charged significantly more? For purely inventory purposes, they don't really need to know that. As a reseller, they haven't any vested right in the property of the product to even ask that - they haven't licensed that pint to me. Now its perhaps good for them to know that this particular store sells through this particular product at rate X - but they do not need to tag me with that information. What combination of future devices can be used in the future with this information? How will Safeway, in the future, utilize that information to provide complementary services with its partners? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Randall Reetz wrote: You have a choice. Dont sign up for special sales gimmicks. But sometimes the choice isn't explicit, or really a choice at all. The story I like to tell in my class is of how, when we were trying to have our children, we needed to use fertility services. As we needed to use an egg donor (TMI, I know), we had to use twice the normal amount of hormone drugs, a partial portion of the price for which was covered by our insurance. Now, it turns out that some of these same drugs are also given to post-menopausal women, which didn't occur to me at the time, but I was somewhat astounded to have become the recipient of emails from the AARP and coupons for Depends... Coincidence? I think not. Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Yeah, I'm out there :-) Got three websites just for the tshirts, but the designs are all the same. It's the fulfillment companies that are different. Got two websites for the software. Got other websites that just are. You with the evil CP? Or Z-Pod? Or other? Actually, I went through all of your different businesses and searched on them until I found your full name on one and searched that in FB. Nice trail through shareware, t-shirts, other t-shirts, still other t-shirts etc. until the Pong fan page. [OT] I also sell t-shirts online and write applications. Is this a coincidence??? I also have multiple online businesses. Hmmm... -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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If the majority of consumers demanded fairness over gimmicks, the safeways of the world would be falling over themselves to meet that market. It is we. Our daily actions determine the shape of products and services and what we value. There is a study done of chimps. A chimps was taught to count. Put a late of jelly beans in front of it and this chimps would sit there draging one at a time into a pile... Then touch the square with the number (1 to 100) corresponding on a touch screen. After a while he was correct almost 100 percent of the time. If he was correct, he got to eat the beans. If not, he had to wait for the next day to try again. Then the changed the experiment. Brought in another chimps behind a glass partition. The other chimps had no roll but to be there. In the presence of the second chimp, the counting chimps ability to count go worse and worse. Especially because a wrong count meant he had to watch the plate of beans handed to the passive chimp each time he lost. I think humans have the same problem. We cant perform when we think somone eles might profit from our mistakes. It isnt so much that we want a discount on toilet paper as it is that we simply couldnt take it if someone else got that discount and we didnt. -Original Message- From: Judy Perry jper...@ecs.fullerton.edu To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 7/2/2009 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Creepy 2020 Randall Reetz wrote: You have a choice. Dont sign up for special sales gimmicks. But sometimes the choice isn't explicit, or really a choice at all. The story I like to tell in my class is of how, when we were trying to have our children, we needed to use fertility services. As we needed to use an egg donor (TMI, I know), we had to use twice the normal amount of hormone drugs, a partial portion of the price for which was covered by our insurance. Now, it turns out that some of these same drugs are also given to post-menopausal women, which didn't occur to me at the time, but I was somewhat astounded to have become the recipient of emails from the AARP and coupons for Depends... Coincidence? I think not. Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Jul 2, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: While you're at it, it's helpful for privacy advocacy to fill out the application with a completely different demographic profile than yours, so the more people who do this the less useful the database becomes. I heard from a guy in cypherpunks.com that every time they meet, they throw all their Safeway cards into a hat, shake, and pick out a new one... --Jerry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:46 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: If the majority of consumers demanded fairness over gimmicks I want you all to lean out your window and yell 'I'm as mad as H*LL and I'm not going to take it any more! Couldn't resist, I was watching the movie 'Network' tonight. ;-) sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Jim- Thursday, July 2, 2009, 7:54:39 PM, you wrote: I want you all to lean out your window and yell 'I'm as mad as H*LL and I'm not going to take it any more! I did that, but a couple of squirrels thought I was a nut... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Wow, I can't believe the life of the thread I started! Fascinating! And I wuz worried about posting something slightly OT... LOL! Shari -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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That will be the day! -Original Message- From: Jim Sims s...@ezpzapps.com To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 7/2/2009 7:54 PM Subject: Re: Creepy 2020 On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:46 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: If the majority of consumers demanded fairness over gimmicks I want you all to lean out your window and yell 'I'm as mad as H*LL and I'm not going to take it any more! Couldn't resist, I was watching the movie 'Network' tonight. ;-) sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I would hope that the economic and ecological and resource and energy catastrophe we are facing (living within) would give us all reason to pause and think deeply about which kind of humanity we want to be. We have seen what skimming and baseless profiteering wrot. We might now think what productivity really means. Ask our selves what typrs of activities actually produce more per hour worked. And more to the point, which activities produce what is nessisary for the production tomorrow of higher productivity. The only way to make more money (unless you want another recession adjustment) is to do only productivity increasing activities. Anything else is fake wealth and will be followed by the inevitable correction. So, are we done ripping eachother off? Can we start acting like we are adults and believe in reality? Consuption does not drive an economy. Consumption results from a healthy productive economy. Revenue and throughput isnt a reliable indicator of productivity. We must have learned this little lesson. It isnt how much money you can funnel towards yourn section of the pie, it is how york section of the pie can grow the whole pie bigger. This is a big one people. We have got to learn it. The rape africa to support europe model doesnt work anymore. We have to pay our own way. It is the biggest challange yet faced by humanity. I say we can. Pay attention to how you spend your labor and creative resources. Each of us matter. What i said about our purchasing decisions mattering palestine in comparison to how powerful are our labor decisions. Productivity. -Original Message- From: Shari sh...@gypsyware.com To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 7/2/2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re: Creepy 2020 Wow, I can't believe the life of the thread I started! Fascinating! And I wuz worried about posting something slightly OT... LOL! Shari -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Sorry about the sermon. Also, the stupidity of the text hinting on my blackjack phone. I did not mean to say matters palestine of course... But matters pale in comparison -Original Message- From: Randall Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 7/2/2009 10:13 PM Subject: RE: Creepy 2020 I would hope that the economic and ecological and resource and energy catastrophe we are facing (living within) would give us all reason to pause and think deeply about which kind of humanity we want to be. We have seen what skimming and baseless profiteering wrot. We might now think what productivity really means. Ask our selves what typrs of activities actually produce more per hour worked. And more to the point, which activities produce what is nessisary for the production tomorrow of higher productivity. The only way to make more money (unless you want another recession adjustment) is to do only productivity increasing activities. Anything else is fake wealth and will be followed by the inevitable correction. So, are we done ripping eachother off? Can we start acting like we are adults and believe in reality? Consuption does not drive an economy. Consumption results from a healthy productive economy. Revenue and throughput isnt a reliable indicator of productivity. We must have learned this little lesson. It isnt how much money you can funnel towards yourn section of the pie, it is how york section of the pie can grow the whole pie bigger. This is a big one people. We have got to learn it. The rape africa to support europe model doesnt work anymore. We have to pay our own way. It is the biggest challange yet faced by humanity. I say we can. Pay attention to how you spend your labor and creative resources. Each of us matter. What i said about our purchasing decisions mattering palestine in comparison to how powerful are our labor decisions. Productivity. -Original Message- From: Shari sh...@gypsyware.com To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 7/2/2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re: Creepy 2020 Wow, I can't believe the life of the thread I started! Fascinating! And I wuz worried about posting something slightly OT... LOL! Shari -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I still think it ironic that we are intolerant of governments and corporations when they engage in behaviors we excuse in our selves. How many people go to church or get their kids in a soccer league or enroll them in a private school specifically to gain access to the right group of potential customers? FaceBook et al are just providing to that same demand. Yes it is creepy... how humans act towards their friends. Everyone wants the networking advantages afforded by a company that mines personal data. Nobody likes to know how that data is aquired when it comes to their own identity. Really creepy is the vailed astonishment expressed as the nessisary wizard of oz is revealed to be just what our greed demands of him. The perfect reflection of us! I live in Palo Alto, and have listened in on hundreds of facebook employee cafe conversations. Souls not required. It is one thing to be a slimy insurance salesman... quite another to institutionalize and automate this most tragic of human tendancies... and to make a killing doing so. The edifice that is socil networking software tends to depersonalize and infrastructurealize sleezyness. Hey, everyone is driving drunk!, becomes, If we arent supposed to drive drunk, why is there a beer tap right here on the dash board? -Original Message- From: Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com To: 'How to use Revolution' use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 7/1/2009 3:14 PM Subject: Creepy 2020 We seem to be assuming that Facebook is automagically digging into your address book, when it could just be finding you in reverse from people that have already shared. This would actually seem more efficient, since while you may not share your address book, somebody else that knows you probably has... This creepy privacy invasion thread makes me think of the various ways Google snaps up information - by car and of course by satelite. Maybe in a few years we will see robot wars between the Google Car, Yahoo Refuse Digger and Facebook Roto Rooter - all fighting each other to get the last bit of our private information :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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And what's your Facebook username? - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/7/1 Randall Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com I still think it ironic that we are intolerant of governments and corporations when they engage in behaviors we excuse in our selves. How many people go to church or get their kids in a soccer league or enroll them in a private school specifically to gain access to the right group of potential customers? FaceBook et al are just providing to that same demand. Yes it is creepy... how humans act towards their friends. Everyone wants the networking advantages afforded by a company that mines personal data. Nobody likes to know how that data is aquired when it comes to their own identity. Really creepy is the vailed astonishment expressed as the nessisary wizard of oz is revealed to be just what our greed demands of him. The perfect reflection of us! I live in Palo Alto, and have listened in on hundreds of facebook employee cafe conversations. Souls not required. It is one thing to be a slimy insurance salesman... quite another to institutionalize and automate this most tragic of human tendancies... and to make a killing doing so. The edifice that is socil networking software tends to depersonalize and infrastructurealize sleezyness. Hey, everyone is driving drunk!, becomes, If we arent supposed to drive drunk, why is there a beer tap right here on the dash board? -Original Message- From: Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com To: 'How to use Revolution' use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 7/1/2009 3:14 PM Subject: Creepy 2020 We seem to be assuming that Facebook is automagically digging into your address book, when it could just be finding you in reverse from people that have already shared. This would actually seem more efficient, since while you may not share your address book, somebody else that knows you probably has... This creepy privacy invasion thread makes me think of the various ways Google snaps up information - by car and of course by satelite. Maybe in a few years we will see robot wars between the Google Car, Yahoo Refuse Digger and Facebook Roto Rooter - all fighting each other to get the last bit of our private information :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creepy 2020
I was joking - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/7/1 stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com And what's your Facebook username? - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/7/1 Randall Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com I still think it ironic that we are intolerant of governments and corporations when they engage in behaviors we excuse in our selves. How many people go to church or get their kids in a soccer league or enroll them in a private school specifically to gain access to the right group of potential customers? FaceBook et al are just providing to that same demand. Yes it is creepy... how humans act towards their friends. Everyone wants the networking advantages afforded by a company that mines personal data. Nobody likes to know how that data is aquired when it comes to their own identity. Really creepy is the vailed astonishment expressed as the nessisary wizard of oz is revealed to be just what our greed demands of him. The perfect reflection of us! I live in Palo Alto, and have listened in on hundreds of facebook employee cafe conversations. Souls not required. It is one thing to be a slimy insurance salesman... quite another to institutionalize and automate this most tragic of human tendancies... and to make a killing doing so. The edifice that is socil networking software tends to depersonalize and infrastructurealize sleezyness. Hey, everyone is driving drunk!, becomes, If we arent supposed to drive drunk, why is there a beer tap right here on the dash board? -Original Message- From: Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com To: 'How to use Revolution' use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 7/1/2009 3:14 PM Subject: Creepy 2020 We seem to be assuming that Facebook is automagically digging into your address book, when it could just be finding you in reverse from people that have already shared. This would actually seem more efficient, since while you may not share your address book, somebody else that knows you probably has... This creepy privacy invasion thread makes me think of the various ways Google snaps up information - by car and of course by satelite. Maybe in a few years we will see robot wars between the Google Car, Yahoo Refuse Digger and Facebook Roto Rooter - all fighting each other to get the last bit of our private information :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Creepy 2020
And yes i have a SpaceBook account. Some kids set up my account for me at a cafe. Same goes for MyFace. Have logged in at most twenty times... trying to figure it all out and to figure out why it is so intoxicating to so many people. I guess if you arent social networking you are actually working. That's one answer. I should start a quantum social network where you tweet but are limited to one bit! 0 -Original Message- From: stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 7/1/2009 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Creepy 2020 And what's your Facebook username? - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/7/1 Randall Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com I still think it ironic that we are intolerant of governments and corporations when they engage in behaviors we excuse in our selves. How many people go to church or get their kids in a soccer league or enroll them in a private school specifically to gain access to the right group of potential customers? FaceBook et al are just providing to that same demand. Yes it is creepy... how humans act towards their friends. Everyone wants the networking advantages afforded by a company that mines personal data. Nobody likes to know how that data is aquired when it comes to their own identity. Really creepy is the vailed astonishment expressed as the nessisary wizard of oz is revealed to be just what our greed demands of him. The perfect reflection of us! I live in Palo Alto, and have listened in on hundreds of facebook employee cafe conversations. Souls not required. It is one thing to be a slimy insurance salesman... quite another to institutionalize and automate this most tragic of human tendancies... and to make a killing doing so. The edifice that is socil networking software tends to depersonalize and infrastructurealize sleezyness. Hey, everyone is driving drunk!, becomes, If we arent supposed to drive drunk, why is there a beer tap right here on the dash board? -Original Message- From: Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com To: 'How to use Revolution' use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 7/1/2009 3:14 PM Subject: Creepy 2020 We seem to be assuming that Facebook is automagically digging into your address book, when it could just be finding you in reverse from people that have already shared. This would actually seem more efficient, since while you may not share your address book, somebody else that knows you probably has... This creepy privacy invasion thread makes me think of the various ways Google snaps up information - by car and of course by satelite. Maybe in a few years we will see robot wars between the Google Car, Yahoo Refuse Digger and Facebook Roto Rooter - all fighting each other to get the last bit of our private information :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution [truncated by sender] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creepy 2020
It all depends what one puts into it. I've reconnected with a staff of characters from my former workplace and realized that job was one of the best times (and the worst times too) of my life. I had shot many videos and photos - which I was saving for my online bio - and used the excellent gallery and video upload tools at Facebook. Hey it's Facebook's hard drive and their bandwidth, why not. And the group liked it very much and wanted more. We may have a reunion in a few months. I didn't know for what purpose exactly I shot the video, but it all survived and found a place there ( and not you tube). The comments that come back are worth it. And since most of the 'friends' have some kind of connection to one's own reality, the system works pretty well. I haven't seen any hecklers where I hang out. A lot of attitude but it's friendly so far. - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/7/1 Randall Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com And yes i have a SpaceBook account. Some kids set up my account for me at a cafe. Same goes for MyFace. Have logged in at most twenty times... trying to figure it all out and to figure out why it is so intoxicating to so many people. I guess if you arent social networking you are actually working. That's one answer. I should start a quantum social network where you tweet but are limited to one bit! 0 -Original Message- From: stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 7/1/2009 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Creepy 2020 And what's your Facebook username? - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/7/1 Randall Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com I still think it ironic that we are intolerant of governments and corporations when they engage in behaviors we excuse in our selves. How many people go to church or get their kids in a soccer league or enroll them in a private school specifically to gain access to the right group of potential customers? FaceBook et al are just providing to that same demand. Yes it is creepy... how humans act towards their friends. Everyone wants the networking advantages afforded by a company that mines personal data. Nobody likes to know how that data is aquired when it comes to their own identity. Really creepy is the vailed astonishment expressed as the nessisary wizard of oz is revealed to be just what our greed demands of him. The perfect reflection of us! I live in Palo Alto, and have listened in on hundreds of facebook employee cafe conversations. Souls not required. It is one thing to be a slimy insurance salesman... quite another to institutionalize and automate this most tragic of human tendancies... and to make a killing doing so. The edifice that is socil networking software tends to depersonalize and infrastructurealize sleezyness. Hey, everyone is driving drunk!, becomes, If we arent supposed to drive drunk, why is there a beer tap right here on the dash board? -Original Message- From: Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com To: 'How to use Revolution' use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 7/1/2009 3:14 PM Subject: Creepy 2020 We seem to be assuming that Facebook is automagically digging into your address book, when it could just be finding you in reverse from people that have already shared. This would actually seem more efficient, since while you may not share your address book, somebody else that knows you probably has... This creepy privacy invasion thread makes me think of the various ways Google snaps up information - by car and of course by satelite. Maybe in a few years we will see robot wars between the Google Car, Yahoo Refuse Digger and Facebook Roto Rooter - all fighting each other to get the last bit of our private information :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution [truncated by sender] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creepy 2020
I listed myself on Reunion.com eons ago, hoping to see all my old schoomates doing the same. They were starting to. Then the site changed not only their name, but the whole class listing thing, and became user unfriendly. Facebook seems to be doing the thing they used to do, where you can see your classmates not only for your year, but years before and after, because obviously not all your friends were in your class. Kinda cool, yes. I only wish they let you do grade schools and junior highs, too. Now THAT would be really cool! I'm not a big social networker but yes, some socializing is cool. I just reconnected with an old friend from my Macintosh Users Group that I'm no longer a member of. If I was a high school kid and all my friends were on Facebook, and we were all connected, yes it would be very very heady! The wall being your yearbook... very heady indeedy. I keep getting emails from Reunion.com trying to entice me back. One fellow keeps looking me up. The ex-husband of a good friend, they had an ugly divorce. Now why oh why does he keep looking at my profile there? Surely he knows I know how badly they ended? Unless he wants to tell his side... (crazy people) Shari -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
