Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Le 2 mars 2010 à 08:45, G.Wolfgang Gaich a écrit : Hello all, I didn't read all the mails of this thread. My suggestion: In Ubuntu go to System/Preferences/Appearance/Fonts. Activate Subpixel smoothing and click on details. There you can adjust the resolution (dpi) to the needs of your display. dpi = xres x 2.54 / the width of your display For my display I have 116 dpi and the fontsizes are ok. Regards, Wolfgang I have read this thread on Apple mail, and at some point (pun intended) I realized I could zoom and de-zoom the messages by pinching or spreading my fingers on the touchpad, from the hardly visible to waaay too enlarged. Now, if rev could incorporate this *other* side of the spectrum... But I guess this would imply switching to cocoa. François ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Le 2 mars 10 à 16:41, François Chaplais a écrit : Le 2 mars 2010 à 08:45, G.Wolfgang Gaich a écrit : Hello all, I didn't read all the mails of this thread. My suggestion: In Ubuntu go to System/Preferences/Appearance/Fonts. Activate Subpixel smoothing and click on details. There you can adjust the resolution (dpi) to the needs of your display. dpi = xres x 2.54 / the width of your display For my display I have 116 dpi and the fontsizes are ok. Regards, Wolfgang I have read this thread on Apple mail, and at some point (pun intended) I realized I could zoom and de-zoom the messages by pinching or spreading my fingers on the touchpad, from the hardly visible to waaay too enlarged. Now, if rev could incorporate this *other* side of the spectrum... But I guess this would imply switching to cocoa. François François, On Mac with the control key down, (either with the touchpad or the scroll wheel of the mouse), all what is on the screen in enlarged, including the rev stacks, isn'it? Amitiés de Grenoble André ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Le 2 mars 2010 à 17:56, Andre.Bisseret a écrit : I have read this thread on Apple mail, and at some point (pun intended) I realized I could zoom and de-zoom the messages by pinching or spreading my fingers on the touchpad, from the hardly visible to waaay too enlarged. Now, if rev could incorporate this *other* side of the spectrum... But I guess this would imply switching to cocoa. François François, On Mac with the control key down, (either with the touchpad or the scroll wheel of the mouse), all what is on the screen in enlarged, including the rev stacks, isn'it? Amitiés de Grenoble André It does not work on my latest MBP, snow 10.6.2. Isn't that from the universal access system control panel? To go further, and this has been mentioned in this list, trapping multitouch gestures as messages would be handy (confider the future revmobile platform). This should be available to all platforms. The the stack could handle the message by itself (for instance enlarge the font size of a field). There is a report on this at qacenter # 8446 cheers François ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Le 2 mars 10 à 18:15, François Chaplais a écrit : Le 2 mars 2010 à 17:56, Andre.Bisseret a écrit : I have read this thread on Apple mail, and at some point (pun intended) I realized I could zoom and de-zoom the messages by pinching or spreading my fingers on the touchpad, from the hardly visible to waaay too enlarged. Now, if rev could incorporate this *other* side of the spectrum... But I guess this would imply switching to cocoa. François François, On Mac with the control key down, (either with the touchpad or the scroll wheel of the mouse), all what is on the screen in enlarged, including the rev stacks, isn'it? Amitiés de Grenoble André It does not work on my latest MBP, snow 10.6.2. Isn't that from the universal access system control panel? Ah! yes; I just caught a glance (first time I go there;-)) In Préférences système / accès universel there is a pane Vue where it is possible to set the zoom To go further, and this has been mentioned in this list, trapping multitouch gestures as messages would be handy (confider the future revmobile platform). This should be available to all platforms. The the stack could handle the message by itself (for instance enlarge the font size of a field). There is a report on this at qacenter # 8446 Thanks for the link cordialement André cheers François ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
This is really puzzling. The thing I do see is that Rev's IDE on Linux is grotesquely small, and the dictionary font is grotesquely small. I'm really surprised in this age of political correctness that Rev considers it acceptable because it must be simply unusable by a substantial minority of the population. But I can't see that my desktop icons or panels or any other UI elements are materially different in size from the way they are in Windows. And if they are, you just resize them, surely? But as to the fonts, I fired up Rev, created a stack with a field in it, then put the font size to 12, and opened up OpenOffice and did the same thing. Its true. Rev looks like its about 6 point, and OO looks normal 12 point. After you find one of the few fonts they will both display! So which is wrong? The answer surely must be Rev. All other applications on Linux work just fine and display the fonts in the same way. Rev is doing something unaccountably different. Its exactly the same as which fonts they display. All the other apps find the same fonts. Its exactly the same as desktops, all the other apps allow them to be used. Its not Linux. Its not even Gnome, because it doesn't matter which window manager you use. Its Rev. Its got to be fixed. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome-tp1573008p1573367.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Peter Alcibiades wrote: But as to the fonts, I fired up Rev, created a stack with a field in it, then put the font size to 12, and opened up OpenOffice and did the same thing. Its true. Rev looks like its about 6 point, and OO looks normal 12 point. After you find one of the few fonts they will both display! So which is wrong? I have some old info from a 4-year-old tech support ticket, but it worked back then and it may still work now. Since I know little about any of this, I'll just add the info as it was passed to me: Rev needs X11 fonts. It only works with those. Tiny fonts are caused by the font server in use. A customer who had the same issue wrote: It was my font server, xfs. Somewhere in a recent reconfiguration to support xfstt, I pooched it. I reinstalled/reconfigured xfs, and it's all ducky. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
On 01/03/2010 18:22, J. Landman Gay wrote: Since I know little about any of this, I'll just add the info as it was passed to me: Rev needs X11 fonts. It only works with those. Tiny fonts are caused by the font server in use. A customer who had the same issue wrote: It was my font server, xfs. Somewhere in a recent reconfiguration to support xfstt, I pooched it. I reinstalled/reconfigured xfs, and it's all ducky. The problem, and it is a real problem, is that end-users (and folks like me) don't know their X11 fonts from their other fonts. This makes it well-nigh impossible for a developer to deploy a stand-alone that requires a custom font to be installed. This may make things all ducky to those whom Linux is a clear pond; but as far as I am concerned I have a really hard time telling my Mallard from my Shovellers: http://animal.discovery.com/guides/wild-birds/gallery/mallard_duck.jpg http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/10/24/northernShoveler.jpg or, as I mentioned a while back: the duck eggs are blue and the drake eggs are green . . . :) And before you mention 'it' - fonts don't have beaks. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
If I had to guess, it's the fact that Win and Apple use graphics engines that can render smaller objects with greater detail, and so there is no need to make objects larger in order to make them look better. Bob On Feb 28, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Since the days of Motif, *NIX UIs have tended toward very large controls compared to their counterparts on Mac and Win. While I appreciate the benefits of a larger target size, on balance it also seem a poor use of space, requiring common UI elements to take up much more of the screen real estate than they do on Mac and Win, and to that degree they take away focus from the user's content. What accounts for this tendency toward uncommonly large control sizes? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
What accounts for this tendency toward uncommonly large control sizes? What tendency??? There isn't any such tendency, as far as I can see. None. Maybe its something to do with Ubuntu and how they configure things out of the box? Dunno. But it is not a factor in any distro I've used. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome-tp1573008p1574003.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
On 01/03/2010 20:15, Peter Alcibiades wrote: What accounts for this tendency toward uncommonly large control sizes? What tendency??? There isn't any such tendency, as far as I can see. None. Maybe its something to do with Ubuntu and how they configure things out of the box? Dunno. But it is not a factor in any distro I've used. uncommonly large control sizes Humpf. Set at a screen-res of 1280 x 1024 on a 17 monitor my Ubuntu 10.4 Alpha 3 (also known as Richmond's Impatience) screen font sizes LOOK (which is fairly subjective) pretty much the same as my Mac OS 10.5.8 at 1280 x 1024 on a 17 monitor. The inescapable facts are: 1. Linux does fonts in a different way to Mac and Win. 2. RunRev on Linux doesn't very well when it comes to fonts. Having said that I should say that, for my standalones I deploy in my school (which have to be converted into standalones using RunRev 2.2.1 because Ubuntu 5.10 is unable to cope with standalones made with RunRev 4 and because my tatty-old PCs cannot cope with newer versions of Ubuntu - not that that matters really for my purposes) I always do the build on one of the target machines (although I normally design the stack on a Mac or a more advanced Linux machine) after going through the stacks and setting all fields and buttons to work properly with the fonts RunRev 2.2.1 sees on them. My honest opinion is that for what we might like to term coloured Hypercard teaching stacks RunRev on Linux really doesn't have any major problems with stacks. The fun starts when one wants to leverage stacks from outwith the system. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Peter Alcibiades wrote: This is really puzzling. The thing I do see is that Rev's IDE on Linux is grotesquely small, and the dictionary font is grotesquely small. I'm really surprised in this age of political correctness that Rev considers it acceptable because it must be simply unusable by a substantial minority of the population. But I can't see that my desktop icons or panels or any other UI elements are materially different in size from the way they are in Windows. And if they are, you just resize them, surely? It's not quite so simple as that if your goal is to make one layout that works well on all supported platforms, as I'll explain more below. But as to the fonts, I fired up Rev, created a stack with a field in it, then put the font size to 12, and opened up OpenOffice and did the same thing. Its true. Rev looks like its about 6 point, and OO looks normal 12 point. After you find one of the few fonts they will both display! So which is wrong? The answer surely must be Rev. All other applications on Linux work just fine and display the fonts in the same way. Rev is doing something unaccountably different. Its exactly the same as which fonts they display. All the other apps find the same fonts. Its exactly the same as desktops, all the other apps allow them to be used. Its not Linux. Its not even Gnome, because it doesn't matter which window manager you use. Its Rev. Its got to be fixed. I'm not sure it's so easy to dismiss Rev as the culprit here. Nor may it be so simple to just say Gnome is wrong! either. It may be something more complex. I took a minute this morning to take some screen shots of Rev and OS controls on Ubuntu/Gnome, Win XP, and OS X: http://fourthworldlabs.com/revfonts/ You'll note that on those shots Rev's understanding of text size seems to match that of Firefox almost perfectly, even as both Win and Linux report very different sizes for their OS controls. My closing observation there sums up the more significant problem: Even with the disparity of reported rendered textSize, it's possible to make layouts that substantially conform to OS standards rather easily for Mac and Win, and the text and control sizes of each are close enough that a single layout will work well on both platforms. Ubuntu/Gnome, however, uses control and text size so far out of proportion to other OS standards that they require either delivering layouts sized smaller than the user sees in other apps on that OS, or making a separate set of layouts specifically for that OS. It's been a while since I've maintained Linux distros here other than Ubuntu/Gnome, so it would be interesting to learn if this vastly disproportionate default control size is unique to Ubuntu or to Gnome. I would imagine that KDE, with it's tendency to mimic the Win look and feel to some degree, may have control sizes more in keeping with other common OS norms. But it would be interesting to find other Gnome-based distros which have control sizes that more closely fit those on Win and Mac. FWIW, if I recall correctly the Gnome control sizes I see in Ubuntu are roughly the same as I used to see in Motif and Irix. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Jacque, I don't understand this either. You gave me the suggestion a while back, and I did install xfs, but it made no difference. The thing I don't get is why all the other apps work fine, but Rev does not. Is there not someone in the development group who could just tell us how Rev handles fonts in Linux? There must be someone who knows, and if he or she will just tell us, we can probably figure out how to work along with it. Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome-tp1573008p1574085.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
On 01/03/2010 20:40, Richard Gaskin wrote: Peter Alcibiades wrote: This is really puzzling. The thing I do see is that Rev's IDE on Linux is grotesquely small, and the dictionary font is grotesquely small. I'm really surprised in this age of political correctness that Rev considers it acceptable because it must be simply unusable by a substantial minority of the population. But I can't see that my desktop icons or panels or any other UI elements are materially different in size from the way they are in Windows. And if they are, you just resize them, surely? It's not quite so simple as that if your goal is to make one layout that works well on all supported platforms, as I'll explain more below. But as to the fonts, I fired up Rev, created a stack with a field in it, then put the font size to 12, and opened up OpenOffice and did the same thing. Its true. Rev looks like its about 6 point, and OO looks normal 12 point. After you find one of the few fonts they will both display! So which is wrong? The answer surely must be Rev. All other applications on Linux work just fine and display the fonts in the same way. Rev is doing something unaccountably different. Its exactly the same as which fonts they display. All the other apps find the same fonts. Its exactly the same as desktops, all the other apps allow them to be used. Its not Linux. Its not even Gnome, because it doesn't matter which window manager you use. Its Rev. Its got to be fixed. I'm not sure it's so easy to dismiss Rev as the culprit here. Nor may it be so simple to just say Gnome is wrong! either. It may be something more complex. I took a minute this morning to take some screen shots of Rev and OS controls on Ubuntu/Gnome, Win XP, and OS X: http://fourthworldlabs.com/revfonts/ Frankly, Richard, it looks as though you took quite some time and gave quite a lot of thought to that, and took a minute is somewhat of an understatement. It is a really good comparison: Thanks. --- I have been having a love-affair with Apple's Charcoal font since OS 9, and as such use it for ALL my buttons regardless of what platform/OS I deploy on. How does that screaming genius manage that? we ask ourselves. Like many things in life the answer comes in 2 parts: 1. He's not a screaming genius, he's largely a lazy slob who likes to make things easy for himself. 2. He makes the buttons up on a Mac with Charcoal.ttf installed and exports all to snapshot and uses PNG files as fake buttons. No fonts doing silly things, no conniption fits, no high-speed flying PCs going through windows . . . :) Fields . . . Erm, Yes, Well However, on a CD I made and marketed about 5 years ago (Hey, have now made enough on it to cover the initial costs - a real screaming genius) for 14 years olds to practise their Bulgarian literature (Big market that . . . ) having to have absolutely buckets of Bulgarian (Cyrillic) text in some 50 + fields to be deployed across Windows 95 thru XP, I made images of the texts, grouped each one, constrained it and added scrollbars. Editable text fields are going to be a headache on Linux unless you have a copper-bottomed guarantee that ALL your end-users are going to have the fonts you want installed somewhere (X11 fonts???) where RunRev will see them. Sanskrit fonts . . . ERM, YES, WELL. -- You'll note that on those shots Rev's understanding of text size seems to match that of Firefox almost perfectly, even as both Win and Linux report very different sizes for their OS controls. My closing observation there sums up the more significant problem: Even with the disparity of reported rendered textSize, it's possible to make layouts that substantially conform to OS standards rather easily for Mac and Win, and the text and control sizes of each are close enough that a single layout will work well on both platforms. Ubuntu/Gnome, however, uses control and text size so far out of proportion to other OS standards that they require either delivering layouts sized smaller than the user sees in other apps on that OS, or making a separate set of layouts specifically for that OS. It's been a while since I've maintained Linux distros here other than Ubuntu/Gnome, so it would be interesting to learn if this vastly disproportionate default control size is unique to Ubuntu or to Gnome. I would imagine that KDE, with it's tendency to mimic the Win look and feel to some degree, may have control sizes more in keeping with other common OS norms. But it would be interesting to find other Gnome-based distros which have control sizes that more closely fit those on Win and Mac. FWIW, if I recall correctly the Gnome control sizes I see in Ubuntu are roughly
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Peter Alcibiades wrote: Jacque, I don't understand this either. You gave me the suggestion a while back, and I did install xfs, but it made no difference. The thing I don't get is why all the other apps work fine, but Rev does not. Is there not someone in the development group who could just tell us how Rev handles fonts in Linux? There must be someone who knows, and if he or she will just tell us, we can probably figure out how to work along with it. Page 18 of the User Guide lists the requirements for running Rev in Linux. It mentions xft. I don't know what difference one letter forward in the alphabet makes, but maybe you do... It also mentions Pango. I'll see if I can find out more tomorrow. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
On 01/03/2010 21:25, J. Landman Gay wrote: Peter Alcibiades wrote: Jacque, I don't understand this either. You gave me the suggestion a while back, and I did install xfs, but it made no difference. The thing I don't get is why all the other apps work fine, but Rev does not. Is there not someone in the development group who could just tell us how Rev handles fonts in Linux? There must be someone who knows, and if he or she will just tell us, we can probably figure out how to work along with it. Page 18 of the User Guide lists the requirements for running Rev in Linux. It mentions xft. I don't know what difference one letter forward in the alphabet makes, but maybe you do... It also mentions Pango. 'Tis true: I looked. There is mention of quite a few things . . . Now how does: 1. One find if these things; Pango, Xft, and so forth are present in a system? 2. Are we naive to assume that they would be installed on all current linux distros (probably, especially as mplayer is not installed by default.)? The lovely thing about this is that on Mac one can use RunRev and its standalones straight out of the box. With Windows one might need to install Quicktime (nor unduly arduous). With Linux one has to do quite a bit . . . Which is why the Linux version of RunRev is still a bit dicky. I'll see if I can find out more tomorrow. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 01/03/2010 20:40, Richard Gaskin wrote: ... I took a minute this morning to take some screen shots of Rev and OS controls on Ubuntu/Gnome, Win XP, and OS X: http://fourthworldlabs.com/revfonts/ Frankly, Richard, it looks as though you took quite some time and gave quite a lot of thought to that, and took a minute is somewhat of an understatement. It is a really good comparison: Thanks. My pleasure. It really only took a couple minutes, well worth the investment to have the side-by-side comparison to review when making layout decisions, and if nothing else to help clarify the mystery of Gnome's control sizes. Glad you found it useful too. My closing observation there sums up the more significant problem: Even with the disparity of reported rendered textSize, it's possible to make layouts that substantially conform to OS standards rather easily for Mac and Win, and the text and control sizes of each are close enough that a single layout will work well on both platforms. Ubuntu/Gnome, however, uses control and text size so far out of proportion to other OS standards that they require either delivering layouts sized smaller than the user sees in other apps on that OS, or making a separate set of layouts specifically for that OS. ... It is not the job of the Linux people to make their OS GUIs conform to some real or imaginary standard established by either Apple or Microsoft, any ore than the other way around. But it may well be in their interest to do so, on two counts: 1. The greatest opportunity for adoption of Linux will come from those who've used another OS before (very few who don't have a computer will be installing Linux on the thing they don't have g). Sure, there's a vast untapped pool of new users in the developing world who will inevitably come to use Linux as their first computing experience, but that's long-term and along the way most new Linux users will have had prior experience with Windows. Given this, the degree to which Linux conforms to their expectations in ways that carry no adverse risk to usability will benefit from one of the strongest usability drivers, consistency. 2. For many, Linux adoption will be driven by the number of apps available for the platform. While good FOSS apps will always enjoy a price advantage over commercial offerings, there's plenty of opportunity for proprietary software to be ported to the new forthcoming Linux audience. And even among FOSS apps, not all are developed solely for Linux. So just as we want to see things made easier for transitioning end-users, here we're also conscious of the benefits of making multi-platform deployments easier for developers. More apps simply means more users for the platform. But requiring specialized layouts for one platform slows down deployment to that platform, and may even be prohibitive for some, thereby reducing the pool of potential new users. I'll run this control size issue by the folks on the Gnome usability list, and will report back anything interesting. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Now here's a thought: On Mac there is a folder called .font in the user's Home folder (you cannot see it because the DOT makes it invisible): RunRev DOES NOT see fonts there. Try it. So it is probably rather daft to expect RunRev to see fonts in the same folder in Linux. Something tells me that the font work for RunRev Linux is either: 1. Whatever is left over from the Linux version of Metacard: and Linux has changed quite a bit since then. or 2. Based on the UNIXy bits of Mac OS X. As Metacard 2.5 sees the same fonts as RunRev 4 (on Linux) I am plumping for #1 above. What is interesting is that the Menubar for MC 2.5 (Linux) has larger, easier to read letters that the MC 4 derived from RunRev 4 via Jacque's excellent build stack. However in the folder /Library/Fonts inside the user's Home folder on a Mac RunRev CAN see fonts. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Now how does: 1. One find if these things; Pango, Xft, and so forth are present in a system? Use Synaptic and look them up - it will show you what's installed and what is available. Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome-tp1573008p1574249.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
I checked and it is known to Synaptic as libpango, and its installed. With quite a few subsidiary libraries. It probably came as a dependency with Gtk, in which case most all distros will have it. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome-tp1573008p1574258.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
revFontLoad, on Mac and Win, means I can load any silly old font I like from any silly old location into my stack and use it. Were revFontLoad to work in Linux I have a funny feeling that almost all the font problems would be solved, or, at least ameliorated to such an extent that everybody felt considerably better. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
On 01/03/2010 22:51, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Now how does: 1. One find if these things; Pango, Xft, and so forth are present in a system? Use Synaptic and look them up - it will show you what's installed and what is available. Peter I really am a bit thick at times . . . :) I am so used to using the Terminal and Apt that I tend to forget about these new-fangled things with GUIs. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Before I trudged off to the Gnome Usability List with my questions, I figured I owed it to them and myself to first dig up what I can on my own. Glad I did - here are some highlights: [Usability] Gnome is Too BIG.. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2008-March/msg00010.html Gnome is too big, indeed. http://panospace.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/gnome-is-too-big-indeed/ Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/310353 The note there in comment #67 explains the Firefox anomaly: Web browsers use pixel-based preferences for arcane reasons that made a lot of sense in 1999 but that are making steadily less sense over time. They'll probably switch to points a few years after OSes do. So at least I'm not alone in my observations about Gnome, and it seems it is indeed a Gnome issue and not specific to Ubuntu. What I haven't found is how/if the Gnome team will attempt to resolve this. There are some serious backward compatibility issues at stake, so I appreciate the many reports filed against this marked Won't Fix. Over the long term we can expect the Gnome team to come up with something clever, Firefox will migrate to points over pixels, and Rev will improve its GTK support to go along for the ride. In the short term, I'll just use 12-point fonts with more conventionally-sized controls than most Gnome apps, so I can ship on time at the relatively small cost of a handful of users who won't be grateful that I'm making better use of their screen real estate. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Hi Richard. It may be rather tedious, but when I developed in Foxpro, there were always these kinds of issues. What a font looked like in Windows was NOT what it looked like in the Mac OS. So the initialization program set up variables with fonts and sizes based upon what platform you were running at the time. What would REALLY be nice, is if there were properties in Rev for Default Field Font, Default Label Font, Default Button font etc, with sizes and styles to match. Then it would be a simple matter of changing the defaults depending on what platform you were running. As is, you have to do repeat loops on all your objects until a better fix can be had. Bob On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Before I trudged off to the Gnome Usability List with my questions, I figured I owed it to them and myself to first dig up what I can on my own. Glad I did - here are some highlights: snip ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Bob Sneidar wrote: What would REALLY be nice, is if there were properties in Rev for Default Field Font, Default Label Font, Default Button font etc, with sizes and styles to match. Then it would be a simple matter of changing the defaults depending on what platform you were running. As is, you have to do repeat loops on all your objects until a better fix can be had. Yes, a simple built-in way to handle this would be a great addition for a multi-platform development tool like Rev: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5190 In the meantime, Ken and I discovered that we each do something very similar to what you described, and have begun collaborating on a central library to handle that (and a whole lot more). Once it gets fleshed out it'll be submitted to the Rev Interoperability Project for review and enhancement, but I've started using it in one of my apps now. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Well, they are an interesting set of links! It sounds like Ubuntu is now shipping their version of Gnome with too large defaults, at least for some people, and that this can largely be dealt with by correct choice of theme and fonts. Also that the size of the system bits does not adjust for the monitor resolution, so if your monitor is larger or smaller than the Gnome default design, you'll have to do this. Or is this misunderstanding the situation? One of the postings suggests seeing what the difference is between the xdpyinfo resolution and the gnome resolution is. In my own case, Debian Squeeze, no tweaking with these parameters, xdpyinfo gives 101 x 101 dpi, whereas gnome (which I don't use except very occasionally) gives 96. That is odd. But still and all, and independently of this, there is a problem with Rev, and it seems, only with Rev, and it does not seem to be Gnome related, because its identical in Fluxbox, which I use all the time In Gnome just as in Fluxbox, start up Rev, and you seem to be presented with fonts sizes in the dictionary and in the menu bars of a size which, to get the same size in all other applications, you'd have to use 6 or maybe even 4 point. I can't see any difference in this whatever the window manager. So maybe this is something Rev is doing in Gtk? And if so, why on earth are they doing it? Richard, are you noticing this too? That the ide and dictionary are so small as to be almost unusable in Linux? -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome-tp1573008p1574524.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Peter- Monday, March 1, 2010, 6:36:15 PM, you wrote: see any difference in this whatever the window manager. So maybe this is something Rev is doing in Gtk? And if so, why on earth are they doing it? How about launching revolution from the commandline instead of double-clicking the icon? I've found gtk errors that way, and at least you should get an interesting message stream... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
This is what it does: pe...@vv:~/3.5.0-gm-2$ ./revolution Will try and use Shared Memory extensions XVideo extensions available? : Yes Will use X-Freetype font rendering Using Pango complex text layout then if you do 4.0 from the command line, the size is identical, and you get this pe...@vv:~/ Studio4.0.0-gm-1$ ./revolution and it starts up. Maybe we have to do something with X-Freetype font rendering, however one might go about that? Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/fonts-what-is-a-point-in-Linux-Gnome-tp1573008p1574539.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Peter- Interesting. On Ubuntu I get mwie...@mwieder-ubuntu:~/revolution/3.5.0-gm-2$ ./revolution Will try and use Shared Memory extensions XVideo extensions available? : No Will use X-Freetype font rendering Using Pango complex text layout *** glibc detected *** ./revolution double free or corruption (out): 0xb7dbf1a0 *** mwie...@mwieder-ubuntu:~/revolution/4.0.0-gm-1$ ./revolution *** glibc detected *** ./revolution double free or corruption (out): 0xb7ea0198 *** Then, of course, I kill each process with a -9. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts: what is a point in Linux/Gnome?
Hello all, I didn't read all the mails of this thread. My suggestion: In Ubuntu go to System/Preferences/Appearance/Fonts. Activate Subpixel smoothing and click on details. There you can adjust the resolution (dpi) to the needs of your display. dpi = xres x 2.54 / the width of your display For my display I have 116 dpi and the fontsizes are ok. Regards, Wolfgang On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 15:41 -0800, Richard Gaskin wrote: Before I trudged off to the Gnome Usability List with my questions, I figured I owed it to them and myself to first dig up what I can on my own. Glad I did - here are some highlights: [Usability] Gnome is Too BIG.. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2008-March/msg00010.html Gnome is too big, indeed. http://panospace.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/gnome-is-too-big-indeed/ Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/310353 The note there in comment #67 explains the Firefox anomaly: Web browsers use pixel-based preferences for arcane reasons that made a lot of sense in 1999 but that are making steadily less sense over time. They'll probably switch to points a few years after OSes do. So at least I'm not alone in my observations about Gnome, and it seems it is indeed a Gnome issue and not specific to Ubuntu. What I haven't found is how/if the Gnome team will attempt to resolve this. There are some serious backward compatibility issues at stake, so I appreciate the many reports filed against this marked Won't Fix. Over the long term we can expect the Gnome team to come up with something clever, Firefox will migrate to points over pixels, and Rev will improve its GTK support to go along for the ride. In the short term, I'll just use 12-point fonts with more conventionally-sized controls than most Gnome apps, so I can ship on time at the relatively small cost of a handful of users who won't be grateful that I'm making better use of their screen real estate. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts and Ubuntu
Hi, Yes, this is a problem and I would appreciate a fail-safe solution. On a slightly different note, I am looking for information about correctly installing an application on Ubuntu, including adding the programme to the correct category in the applications menu, putting my custom icon on the executable, and installation of fonts. Any ideas? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Download Strõm Flow Chart Software http://flowproject.economy-x-talk.com Op 24 nov 2009, om 19:46 heeft Richmond Mathewson het volgende geschreven: So there I am, merrily playing around with a Linux standalone of my Devawriter and find I am quite unable to install the necessary font in: /etc/fonts as am not ROOT this may prove a problem for others as well . . . ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts and Ubuntu
Richard - excuse me for asking a really basic question and insulting your intelligence, but why not just su or sudo su or sudo nautilus (if you are trying to bring up a desktop window)? -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts and Ubuntu
Hi Mikey, I don't know whether Richmond tried this, but I did and Rev doesn't find the fonts. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Download Strõm Flow Chart Software http://flowproject.economy-x-talk.com Op 24 nov 2009, om 19:50 heeft Mikey het volgende geschreven: Richard - excuse me for asking a really basic question and insulting your intelligence, but why not just su or sudo su or sudo nautilus (if you are trying to bring up a desktop window)? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts and Ubuntu
Mikey wrote: Richard - excuse me for asking a really basic question and insulting your intelligence, You are not insulting my intelligence; you are pointing out my ignorance - the 2 are not the same thing . . . :) but why not just su or sudo su or sudo nautilus (if you are trying to bring up a desktop window)? Nike - excuse me; but who is 'Richard' . . . :) Because I was thinking about poor, unsuspecting end-users who might just want to do a good-old drag-N-drop! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts and Ubuntu
Hi, To install new font on Linux you must copy the file to /usr/share/fonts or /home/username/.fonts/ and then rebuild the font cache with: sudo fc-cache -f -v For icons, take a look at xdg-desktop-menu and xdg-desktop-icon: http://portland.freedesktop.org/xdg-utils-1.0/xdg-desktop-menu.html http://man.he.net/man1/xdg-desktop-icon And under Linux, cmd line is ever your friend ;) Kind Regards, Damien Girard Dam-pro, France. Improve your code reusability with NativeDoc! http://www.dam-pro.com/nativedoc Richmond Mathewson a écrit : Mikey wrote: Richard - excuse me for asking a really basic question and insulting your intelligence, You are not insulting my intelligence; you are pointing out my ignorance - the 2 are not the same thing . . . :) but why not just su or sudo su or sudo nautilus (if you are trying to bring up a desktop window)? Nike - excuse me; but who is 'Richard' . . . :) Because I was thinking about poor, unsuspecting end-users who might just want to do a good-old drag-N-drop! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts and Ubuntu
Thanks, Damien. I'll try that. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Download Strõm Flow Chart Software http://flowproject.economy-x-talk.com Op 24 nov 2009, om 20:16 heeft Damien Girard het volgende geschreven: Hi, To install new font on Linux you must copy the file to /usr/share/ fonts or /home/username/.fonts/ and then rebuild the font cache with: sudo fc-cache -f -v For icons, take a look at xdg-desktop-menu and xdg-desktop-icon: http://portland.freedesktop.org/xdg-utils-1.0/xdg-desktop-menu.html http://man.he.net/man1/xdg-desktop-icon And under Linux, cmd line is ever your friend ;) Kind Regards, Damien Girard Dam-pro, France. Improve your code reusability with NativeDoc! http://www.dam-pro.com/nativedoc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts and Ubuntu
Damien Girard wrote: Hi, To install new font on Linux you must copy the file to /usr/share/fonts or /home/username/.fonts/ and then rebuild the font cache with: sudo fc-cache -f -v Merde! This really fantastic sort of stuff is part of what puts ordinary people off Linux. This is, at least for Ubuntu, only partly true. I created a directory call 'Fonts' in my Home directory; Open Office recognises any font popped in there without and fancy cache stuff . . . Wouldn't it be lovely if that were possible for RunRev and RunRev derived standalone. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts and Ubuntu
Sorry, Richmond. For as many times as people on this list call me Mickey, it was time for me to screw up someone else's name... The good news is that it is not all-that-difficult to write shell scripts that can do some of the work for you. Also, maybe I'm not using the Linux version enough, but I didn't notice having a problem with installing and using RR - but I'm not doing anything particularly serious in the Linux version, either. Did any of the other Linux users notice that the 4.0 version behaves better in Linux than the previous versions did? At least in Karmic, it seems to. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts and Ubuntu
Richmond, And usually when I am answering an Ubuntu question I find that I am insulting the questioner, because they have already tried the suggestion that I am making. It seems that once folks try Linux they become pretty proficient at it pretty quickly. The 'net has made learning any number of topics much, much easier. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts on Windows
Charles, Just a guess, but make sure to set the formatForPrinting of your stacks and fields to false when you don't print :-) Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 30-jan-2007, om 5:42 heeft Charles Szasz het volgende geschreven: I reported this problem related to fonts not showing up in Windows builds before. And it came back after I recreated my original stack by copying and pasting. I downloaded a Windows version of Revolution and began to fiddle around with the fonts that were not showing up. The problem is definitely related to the font that is being used. In my case I used Arial, which does not work well even with the Windows version of Rev! Aria was highly recommended as one of the fonts you could use on both Windows and the Mac. So far I found that the Tahoma font works better but it has problems with formating. If you format for center alignment, it will not be in the center. i have not had the opportunity to check the other Window fonts, which I will do tomorrow. My first question then is what Windows XP fonts do Rev Windows developers used? My second question: Has the owner's font problem associated with formating (bold, etc) been corrected? I find it unusual that the Rev Manual only gives a fleeing mention of owner's fonts. I did not know about owner's font until I used the text menu in the menu bar. I always used the inspector, which does not list it. I would greatly appreciate any information on this subject!! Charles Szasz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts
On 17 Dec 2006, at 6:00 pm, Mark Schonewille wrote: Revolution doesn't come with its own fonts. As a default font, it uses Geneva on Mac OS Classic, Lucida Grande on Mac OS X and Arial on Windows. I can imagine that your Linux distribution doesn't include the font that Revolution wants to use as the default font. It might be picking an alternative, but if it does, it may display sizes and styles incorrectly. E.g. if the font of an object has been set to Lucida Grande, while this font is unavailable under Windows, Revolution will always display a 12 points text size instead of the text size that you specified. Not sure wheterh this is on thread, but it is certainly close. In a current project I am encountering *some* objects which display text OK in the IDE (OSX) and Mac build, but display at a small size - probably 12 point in an XP standalone. I tend to use Verdana, as a font with a good chance of being present on Mac and Win. I have checked my XP box, and find Verdana where it should be. I have tried setting font size in various places, allowing it to be inherited (which is the default for the App), and specifying it at object level. One of the most irritating is the labels on a 7 radiobutton group. I have set verdana 24 from the individual buttons, all the way up to the stack, but they still display as 12(?) in the XP build. Does it matter if the font is only available as an opentype? Or is something else going on? Best Wishes, David Glasgow Carlton Glasgow Partnership http://www.i-psych.co.uk ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts
The Linux font problem appears to be with Debian only. I took Fedora off my laptop, where all the Fedora fonts were usable, and put Etch 32 bit on instead, at which point once again only two (bitstream charter and courier 10 pitch) work correctly, as posted earlier. There is probably a simple fix for this but I'm not finding it. The Windows behaviour though is different. In the Linux case, it seems that all the fonts which are selectable through the ide work between 12 and 24 point. All save two revert to 12 point if larger or smaller sizes are picked. In the XP case it seems that Verdana 24 is reverting to 12 point. It would be an interesting experiment to try with all of the selectable fonts in the ide, using a size known to be problematic, like 48. One would expect to see, if there is a general font problem, that two or three fonts would behave correctly and the rest not. It would also be interesting to try different sizes of Verdana. If it is the same or a related problem, one would expect that some sizes should behave correctly and the problem should occur when you get larger or smaller. Does Verdana 18 display properly? Peter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts
This is 2.6.1 (Linux) running on Etch AMD64. Am I missing something blindingly obvious? I believe Chipp Walters and Co have a tool (add in) to work with fonts. http://www.altuit.com Cheers Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts
Hi Peter, The difference in availability of font sizes is a coincidence, although it would probably be much more of a coincidence if the available font sizes would have been the same. The person who created the property inspector simply had a view different from the person who created the menu bar. It would be a good thing if RR Ltd could pay attention to this kind of details. There isn't really too large a font. What exactly are you doing, choosing a font or a size? Is there anything special about the font you choose, is it a truetype font or could it be an old bitmap font? Does this problem occur with all fonts? To find out which fonts are available to Revolution, type put the fontnames in the messge box and type enter. Is there anything special about the fonts that are not included in the list returned by the fontnames? Revolution doesn't come with its own fonts. As a default font, it uses Geneva on Mac OS Classic, Lucida Grande on Mac OS X and Arial on Windows. I can imagine that your Linux distribution doesn't include the font that Revolution wants to use as the default font. It might be picking an alternative, but if it does, it may display sizes and styles incorrectly. E.g. if the font of an object has been set to Lucida Grande, while this font is unavailable under Windows, Revolution will always display a 12 points text size instead of the text size that you specified. I don't have a clear-cut solution for you, but I hope this helps you to track down the problem. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 17-dec-2006, om 9:45 heeft Peter Alcibiades het volgende geschreven: Hi. Hope this is not too silly a question. Does Revolution use the system fonts, or does it ship with its own, and if so, where are they? And if it uses system fonts, where does it expect to find them? There are three reasons for asking. (1) When you create (eg) a button, the font sizes offered from the properties dialogue are fewer than those offered from the text menu, and fewer than those offered by other applications. But they do at least all work. (2) From the text menu, there is a larger choice of sizes, but not all the sizes you can pick actually work - if you pick too large a font, it reverts to a standard small point one. (3) In any case, the fonts offered are in both cases far fewer than those installed on the system, and fewer than those all the other applications make available with no problems or configuration. The Revolution program folder doesn't seem to have any fonts in it, and I can't find anything in the documentation about where it looks or how to set where it looks for fonts. This is 2.6.1 (Linux) running on Etch AMD64. Am I missing something blindingly obvious? Regards Peter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts
Peter Alcibiades wrote: So there are two things happening which seem like they shouldn't be - at least, they don't happen like this in any other application. One is that you can't pick a lot of the fonts which other applications can see and pick. The second is that even for the ones you can pick, I can't seem to use any size over 24. The Revolution unix engine is tied to the old X11 font system, and will only point to fonts recognized by that. What I think is happening is that you only have a small subset of fonts compatible with X11, so those are the only ones that show up in the menu. I am very hazy on this, but if X11 is a bitmap structure rather than a scaling font structure (which I think it is) then only those fonts that have particular bitmap sizes will work. If there is no corresponding bitmap size to the one you choose, it looks like the engine substitutes a default size (apparently 12 point.) The sizes listed in the text menu are hard-coded in, and do not necessarily represent sizes you actually have installed. That's why you can choose them, but they fail. The thing I can't figure out is, where Revolution is getting its font list from, and how to either point it someplace else or put the other fonts there. But its equally mysterious why it will only allow some sizes and not others for the ones it sees! And it really would be nice to be able to use wingdings or symbol or whatever There isn't much you can do until the engine is rewritten to use a more modern font system. You could look for X11-compatible versions of the fonts you want to use, as a workaround for now. If you haven't already, an enhancement request in Bugzilla (or even a bug report, as it seems like a significant problem to me) would be in order, the sooner the better. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts in a Stack
On 10/31/06 10:07 PM, Bridger Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, For a stack I am making, I have a very specific font that I am wanting to use, but it is not a font that would be one most people's computers. Is there a way to install a font from within Revolution, or if possible, use a font that is not installed. This would be intended for Mac OSX and Windows. I know that this probably won't work, but you never know... Take a look at altFont by Altuit: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altFontCover/default.htm Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts in a Stack
You could try here: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altFontCover/default.htm Mark On Oct 31, 2006, at 8:07 PM, Bridger Maxwell wrote: Hey, For a stack I am making, I have a very specific font that I am wanting to use, but it is not a font that would be one most people's computers. Is there a way to install a font from within Revolution, or if possible, use a font that is not installed. This would be intended for Mac OSX and Windows. I know that this probably won't work, but you never know... TTFN Bridger ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts in a Stack
Wow, that looks like the exact thing I was looking for. Just a question, does it actually install the font? I don't mind it if does I guess, but somehow it would be cooler if nothing was left on the users computer. TTFN Bridger ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts in a Stack
I think Chipp has one (a plug-in thingy, I think). http://www.altuit.com/ I wasn't able to quickly find it, but I could swear he had one... HTH, Judy On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Bridger Maxwell wrote: Hey, For a stack I am making, I have a very specific font that I am wanting to use, but it is not a font that would be one most people's computers. Is there a way to install a font from within Revolution, or if possible, use a font that is not installed. This would be intended for Mac OSX and Windows. I know that this probably won't work, but you never know... TTFN Bridger ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts in a Stack
Hi Bridger, No, it does NOT install the font permanently, only while the app is open. -Chipp On 11/1/06, Bridger Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, that looks like the exact thing I was looking for. Just a question, does it actually install the font? I don't mind it if does I guess, but somehow it would be cooler if nothing was left on the users computer. TTFN Bridger ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts and Revolution
Runrev doesn't support AntiAliasing font under linux. Please vote for the AntiAliasing for support under linux. http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1364 I have opened a lot of bug reports, enhancement request, please vote/confirm them if you encounter one or more of these bugs. (the link is a bit big). http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/buglist.cgi?short_desc_type=allwordssubstrshort_desc=product=Revolutioncomponent=About+Screencomponent=Aligncomponent=Animation+Managercomponent=Application+Browsercomponent=Audiocomponent=Buttonscomponent=CGIcomponent=Cursorscomponent=Database+Query+Manager+or+database+propertiescomponent=Date+and+Timecomponent=Default+Patternscomponent=Display+of+icons+in+the+IDEcomponent=Documentationcomponent=Engine+Specific+Issuescomponent=Fieldscomponent=Find+and+Replacecomponent=Geometry+Managercomponent=Icon+Choosercomponent=Image+and+Object+Librarycomponent=Imagescomponent=License+Revolutioncomponent=Mac+Specific+Issuescomponent=Menu+Managercomponent=Menubarcomponent=Message+Boxcomponent=OS+Crash+Logscomponent=Page+Setupcomponent=Paint+Toolscomponent=Palettescomponent=PlugIn+Editorcomponent=Preferencescomponent=Printing+problemscomponent=Profile+issuescomponent=Quicktimecomponent=Replicatecomponent=Report+Buildercomponent=Revolution+Externalscomponent=Revolution+Onlinecomponent=Revolution+Supportcomponent=Rulerscomponent=Script+compilercomponent=Script+Debug+Modecomponent=Script+Editorcomponent=Socketscomponent=Standalone+Buildercomponent=Standalonescomponent=Startup+and+splash+screencomponent=Tablescomponent=Text+Stylescomponent=Tools+Palettecomponent=Transcript+Languagecomponent=Unicode+and+Localizationcomponent=Unix+Specific+Issuescomponent=Unknown%2FDoes+not+exist+yetcomponent=URL+access+commands+%28libURL%29component=User+Interface+Librariescomponent=Windows+Specific+Issuescomponent=XML-RPCversion=2.0.2version=2.0.3version=2.1version=2.1+B2version=2.1+B3version=2.1+RC1version=2.1.1+RC1version=2.1.2version=2.2version=2.2+A1version=2.2+B1version=2.2+RC1version=2.2+RC2version=2.2.1version=2.3+A1version=2.3+A2version=2.3+A3version=2.3+A6version=2.5version=2.5+B1version=2.5+B2version=2.5+RC1version=2.5+RC2version=2.5.1version=2.5.1+A2version=2.5.1+A3version=2.5.1+A4version=2.5.1+RC2version=2.6version=2.6.1version=2.6.1+DP1version=2.6.1+DP2version=2.6.1+DP3target_milestone=---target_milestone=2.1target_milestone=2.1.2target_milestone=2.2target_milestone=2.3target_milestone=2.4target_milestone=2.5target_milestone=2.6target_milestone=Futurelong_desc_type=allwordssubstrlong_desc=bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstrbug_file_loc=bug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=PENDINGbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDbug_status=RESOLVEDbug_status=VERIFIEDbug_status=CLOSEDresolution=FIXEDresolution=NOT_A_BUGresolution=ISNT_FIXABLEresolution=DUPLICATEresolution=CANT_REPRODUCEresolution=MOVEDresolution=---bug_severity=blockerbug_severity=criticalbug_severity=majorbug_severity=normalbug_severity=minorbug_severity=trivialbug_severity=enhancementpriority=P1priority=P2priority=P3priority=P4priority=P5rep_platform=Allrep_platform=DECrep_platform=HPrep_platform=Macintoshrep_platform=PCrep_platform=SGIrep_platform=Sunrep_platform=Otherop_sys=Linux%2FUnixemailtype1=substringemail1=emailtype2=substringemail2=bugidtype=includebug_id=votes=changedin=chfieldfrom=chfieldto=Nowchfieldvalue=cmdtype=doitorder=Bug+Numberfield0-0-0=nooptype0-0-0=noopvalue0-0-0= Regards, Damien Girard Email: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net Le lundi 07 novembre 2005 à 16:11 -0800, Garrett R. Hylltun a écrit : An update to my font issue... Ran some test apps on Windows ME and then Windows 98 via Wine on linux, and the font antialiasing works fine. So this must be an issue localized to Linux/Gnome/Kde. Thanks to everyone for the help. :-) -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts and Revolution
An update to my font issue... Ran some test apps on Windows ME and then Windows 98 via Wine on linux, and the font antialiasing works fine. So this must be an issue localized to Linux/Gnome/Kde. Thanks to everyone for the help. :-) -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts and Revolution
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:35:33 -0600 Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/4/05 6:07 PM, Garrett R. Hylltun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, What's the deal on the fonts that we can use in our programs; are we limited to what's in the text formatting list? can we add our own fonts? - If yes, how and what font format? antialias support? Basically we are limited to whatever fonts are currently installed on the machine that is running our programs, since Revolution does not (at this time) support font embedding... this means that if you want to have a specific font in use in your program, you will need to confirm that the user has it installed (check 'the fontnames' property), or install it yourself (assuming that it is OK for you to do so) as part of your overall installation process. Maybe a bug or not, most of the fonts I have installed are not showing up in Rev, and the fonts that show in Rev, some I don't even have installed on my system. As to antialiasing, Revolution doesn't do anything about this - the OSes themselves implement font smoothing at certain point sizes or larger, and this is reflected in Rev as much as in Word... I may have a bug that is or isn't related to Rev then. Antialiasing works fine on my system (Ubuntu Linux 5.10 with Gnome 2.12.1) with every program I have run on it, with the exception of programs that run in their own VM such as XBasic. Should I submit these issues to Runtime? On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:00:35 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Garrett, Also remember that all fonts are not available on all platforms. For example, you could do your layout on a Mac with Geneva, but this typeface is Mac only. You may also find that some typefaces that are Do Mac OS and OSX have TTF support? [snip] Also, if you are using non-proportional fonts, let us know there are some issues there as well. Paul Looney What are the issues related to non-proportional fonts? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts and Revolution
On 11/4/05 6:07 PM, Garrett R. Hylltun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, What's the deal on the fonts that we can use in our programs; are we limited to what's in the text formatting list? can we add our own fonts? - If yes, how and what font format? antialias support? Basically we are limited to whatever fonts are currently installed on the machine that is running our programs, since Revolution does not (at this time) support font embedding... this means that if you want to have a specific font in use in your program, you will need to confirm that the user has it installed (check 'the fontnames' property), or install it yourself (assuming that it is OK for you to do so) as part of your overall installation process. As to antialiasing, Revolution doesn't do anything about this - the OSes themselves implement font smoothing at certain point sizes or larger, and this is reflected in Rev as much as in Word... HTH, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts and Revolution
Garrett, Also remember that all fonts are not available on all platforms. For example, you could do your layout on a Mac with Geneva, but this typeface is Mac only. You may also find that some typefaces that are common to all platforms, like Times or Helvetica, look different on each. There has been much discussion of this issue previously on this list. For what it may be worth to you: I tried the open source, cross-platform Bitstream Vera but after a couple months could not stand how it looked; redid everything in Verdana. Also, if you are using non-proportional fonts, let us know there are some issues there as well. Paul Looney -Original Message- From: Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Use Revolution List use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:35:33 -0600 Subject: Re: Fonts and Revolution On 11/4/05 6:07 PM, Garrett R. Hylltun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, What's the deal on the fonts that we can use in our programs; are we limited to what's in the text formatting list? can we add our own fonts? - If yes, how and what font format? antialias support? Basically we are limited to whatever fonts are currently installed on the machine that is running our programs, since Revolution does not (at this time) support font embedding... this means that if you want to have a specific font in use in your program, you will need to confirm that the user has it installed (check 'the fontnames' property), or install it yourself (assuming that it is OK for you to do so) as part of your overall installation process. As to antialiasing, Revolution doesn't do anything about this - the OSes themselves implement font smoothing at certain point sizes or larger, and this is reflected in Rev as much as in Word... HTH, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts Unicode
On Jul 26, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Brad Borch wrote: 4. If the text pasted in is styled text from a Unicode font, the htmlText reflects this: font face=TITUS Cyberbit Basic lang=el#945;#946;#948;#966;#949;/font Note the lang='el' parameter. The el stands for Ellinas, which is the Greek word for... Greek. Presumably Rev looks at the range the character is in, determines what language it is, and sets this parameter accordingly. I get confused about what Rev thinks language means. In the unicode conversion names it seems to mean encoding scheme. Since this is pseudo-html, this may mean something else, but might mean encoding scheme. The codes are too high for any 8-bit encoding. One of the things I kept forgetting to do was set the language in the font property. Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts Unicode
On Jul 26, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Brad Borch wrote: So, assuming I can install a unicode font on the user's machine, I'm still stuck because I have no way to force Rev to use that particular font. This behavior in OS X 10.3 is not what I saw in 10.2: I tried several fonts with control pictures, which are not in Lucida Grande. In this case, using Unicode did not chose Lucida Grande, but one of them. Which one depended on which font was enabled. Also, if some fonts had only some, the font might still be chosen. The behavior was such that I thought I'd use imageSource if I ever got back to that project. What you see might be related to bugzilla 2493. In OX X 10.2 I think my tests were only with Lucida Grande. The control pictures were very ugly. I suspect that some OS test font was used for some reason. Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts Unicode
On Jul 26, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Brad Borch wrote: Also, if you try to change the font of unicode text using the menu, the text gets converted back to single-byte characters. It would be nice if language was a separate property and not part of the font property. Then each can be changed independently. Or the IDE acted that way. (Actually, I'd personally rather do away with language and go strictly Unicode for everything. I probably don't understand all the consequences of asking for that. Unicode tries to handle round-trip conversion from and to other standards, so I think we would be happy with pasting strange encodings and with selecting any fonts--it would be usually transparent. For I/O we would want to convert, though.) Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts one last time
(By the way, I tried to send this same message earlier, but the list rejected it because it was something like 35k. That's pasting a script directly from Rev into a message. When I paste it into BBEdit and then into mail, it's down to 7k. What's the Rev script editor doing with it to bloat it so much? Can't be just Unicode, I think -- HTML?) coh On Jul 9, 2005, at 7:46 PM, Charles Hartman wrote: [etc] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts styles
Hi Charles, Rev has a weird behaviour we discussed on this list a long time ago: If the font is the owner's font and the size the owner's size , there are no problem. But once you have changed the size or the style of such a chunk, the font of this chunk is no longer the owner's font (empty) but the *effective* owner's font. If I remember correctly, this is not a bug but falls within a runRev choice that we do regret. Le 8 juil. 05 à 17:00, Charles Hartman a écrit : I have fields containing a lot of text, mostly in owner's font, plain, but with some pieces in a specified font and other pieces in styles bold, link, etc. When I change the owner's font (in this case, the main stack's), the changes in the text on the cards' fields are inconsistent. In particular, every time there's a style change (into out of bold for example, link, etc), a font tag gets inserted, hard- wiring whatever the owner's font *was* at the time the text was edited. So the next time the owner's font changes, it affects everything *up to* that style change, but after that the old font is wired in place. Im editing the text in the Contents pane of the Inspector. Doing this in the Encoded Text Picker doesn't seem to help. It must be behavior in the Rev engine I suppse. I'm not able to think of a way not to call this a serious bug. Is there a workaround?? Am I missing something basic? Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts styles
I'm afraid I can't see how to call it not a bug. Let me put it another way. If I want all text in a field that doesn't have a specified font to be in the owner's font -- isn't that the whole idea of inheritance? -- then why should that _font_ setup be overridden by a _style_ setting? That is, why would Rev insist on inserting a font tag in the htmlText rather than using the for example a and /a tags and leaving the font alone? (Linking font and size makes sense, I think; linking font and style doesn't.) Isn't this problem going to arise with any stack that's meant to run on more than one platform, for example? Or to put it yet another way: don't mean to be obstreperous, but how to I work around this feature? Charles Hartman On Jul 8, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote: Hi Charles, Rev has a weird behaviour we discussed on this list a long time ago: If the font is the owner's font and the size the owner's size , there are no problem. But once you have changed the size or the style of such a chunk, the font of this chunk is no longer the owner's font (empty) but the *effective* owner's font. If I remember correctly, this is not a bug but falls within a runRev choice that we do regret. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts styles
Hi, Just an addendum to my last post to be clear: Create a new stack and a field. Type anything in it. Select any word and check its font in the Text menu: it's the owner's font. Set the style of this word to bold (or change its size, etc.) Check the font in the Text menu: it's no longer the owner's font but now it's the *effective* owner's font which appear check-marked. May be Ken (if you hear me :-) could provide some regex to strip the font tags when they are specifying the owner's font in the html text? Would be a solution? Le 8 juil. 05 à 17:32, Eric Chatonet a écrit : Hi Charles, Rev has a weird behaviour we discussed on this list a long time ago: If the font is the owner's font and the size the owner's size , there are no problem. But once you have changed the size or the style of such a chunk, the font of this chunk is no longer the owner's font (empty) but the *effective* owner's font. If I remember correctly, this is not a bug but falls within a runRev choice that we do regret. Le 8 juil. 05 à 17:00, Charles Hartman a écrit : I have fields containing a lot of text, mostly in owner's font, plain, but with some pieces in a specified font and other pieces in styles bold, link, etc. When I change the owner's font (in this case, the main stack's), the changes in the text on the cards' fields are inconsistent. In particular, every time there's a style change (into out of bold for example, link, etc), a font tag gets inserted, hard- wiring whatever the owner's font *was* at the time the text was edited. So the next time the owner's font changes, it affects everything *up to* that style change, but after that the old font is wired in place. Im editing the text in the Contents pane of the Inspector. Doing this in the Encoded Text Picker doesn't seem to help. It must be behavior in the Rev engine I suppse. I'm not able to think of a way not to call this a serious bug. Is there a workaround?? Am I missing something basic? Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts styles
Charles Hartman wrote: Let me put it another way. If I want all text in a field that doesn't have a specified font to be in the owner's font -- isn't that the whole idea of inheritance? -- then why should that _font_ setup be overridden by a _style_ setting? It was implemented that way many years ago (long before RunRev acquired the engine) as a workaround for other issues. Style attributes should of course be independent of one another. There's a Bugzilla request for this: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=66 As you can tell by its number it's been there a long time. Fortunately RunRev is aware of this and it's my understanding it's on their radar; I don't know to what degree it's being actively worked on right now. Hopefully someone from RunRev will chime in here with a status report on this. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts styles
Bizarre. Well, so how _can_ I work around it? All I want to do is set a textfont in the main stack (on open, depending on platform), and have all non-font-specified text adopt (inherit) that font, without losing my links and such. The inheritance gets killed when Rev -- gratuitously, as far as I can tell -- inserts a hard-wired font tag after any pair of style tags. Am I looking for some way, after opening the stack and possibly changing the default font, of searching through every card (?!) for extra font tags and deleting them? I'm not sure I see how to do that. Charles Hartman On Jul 8, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Charles Hartman wrote: Let me put it another way. If I want all text in a field that doesn't have a specified font to be in the owner's font -- isn't that the whole idea of inheritance? -- then why should that _font_ setup be overridden by a _style_ setting? It was implemented that way many years ago (long before RunRev acquired the engine) as a workaround for other issues. Style attributes should of course be independent of one another. There's a Bugzilla request for this: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=66 As you can tell by its number it's been there a long time. Fortunately RunRev is aware of this and it's my understanding it's on their radar; I don't know to what degree it's being actively worked on right now. Hopefully someone from RunRev will chime in here with a status report on this. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Charles Hartman Professor of English, Poet in Residence Connecticut College [EMAIL PROTECTED] *the Scandroid* is at cherry.conncoll.edu/cohar/Programs ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: fonts in htmlText
On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 07:50 PM, Alex Rice wrote: On Mac OS X 10.2.6/ Rev 2.0.1 I am putting all my fonts into htmlText, one font per paragraph. Mostly it looks great, but there are several fonts that are not rendering at all- they come through as Verdana or something. The problem ones are ... Several other fonts have the correct face, but don't obey the size= tag in htmlText. Should I bug report all this? My apologies, there is no bug. I was not quoting the face attribute of the font tag. I guess the fonts which seemed problematic all had spaces in their names. put format(pfont face=\%s\ size=\%s\%s %d/font/p, ...) Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. http://ARCplanning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts and standalones
On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 11:27 AM, Franklin Bacheller wrote: Hi, I know this is a very elementary question with a very simple solution. But... When I make a standalone the font size changes (gets much bigger) in fields and buttons (not for for all objects but many). How can I keep this from happening? Am I supposed to be locking font size by clicking something somewhere? Using MAC OS X. Thanks. Frank Bacheller In Distribution Builder, what are you selecting on the Profiles tab? Have you created any Profiles for any objects? A guess: what you should do is select Include profiles and allow switching and Only include profiles... and select Master. Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. http://ARCplanning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts in a Standalone
Hi Paul, I have run into the same issue and for that reason I generally use Times and Arial for text. These two font selections seem to be supported on most computers although it is a very limiting selection. I would be very interested to hear of any other solutions for text fields. Best, Mike Mike Brown Cyber-NY Interactive 212-475-2721 1-888-70-CYBER [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Paul Conover [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:01:49 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fonts in a Standalone I have made this promo program on my Mac and then made a standalone for Windows. All my effects work well except that on the PC my funky headline 64 point font turns out as an about 12 point font something like Helvetica. There are a lot of titles so I am reluctant to change them all to images. Are there headline fonts that are somewhat universal? or is it possible that a font can be embedded in the file with the standalone? Has anyone on the list met this problem? After slaving on this project I would be very grateful tor any help over this last hurdle. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fonts in a Standalone
Hi Paul, I have made this promo program on my Mac and then made a standalone for Windows. All my effects work well except that on the PC my funky headline 64 point font turns out as an about 12 point font something like Helvetica. Ouch... The old crossplatform problem: Fonts :( There are a lot of titles so I am reluctant to change them all to images. Are there headline fonts that are somewhat universal? or is it possible that a font can be embedded in the file with the standalone? Has anyone on the list met this problem? After slaving on this project I would be very grateful tor any help over this last hurdle. There is this external-collection on the old runrev-site: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/external.htm which is free now, if i remember right. (Contact RunRev for a license-key...) It provides this possibility to: # Load font - load a font from any file for use without installation IF (!) you have your funky fonts availabe as a truetype windows version (licensed if possible :-), PS-fonts won't work on windows without the ATM, if i remenber right) then you could store your font(s) in a customproperty in your stack, install it on preopenstack and delete it on closestack :-) Not tested, but should work fine. Hope this helps. (If you need help with the syntrax for the external, feel free to ask me offlist :-) Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Fonts in a Standalone
Paul, You can also create a if the platform is Win32 then set the textfont of fld myTitle to Verdana set the textsize of fld myTitle to 32 etc.. end if I find I need to do this sometimes in ports. On of the reasons I created ButtonGadget is to 'unify' interface elements across all distribution platforms. They all look EXACTLY alike...though are not necessarily in line with each platforms UI guidelines. -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
