Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-23 Thread Marc EMILE - Axialis
Thank you Mark! :) Glad to read that you appreciate IconWorkhop.

Regards,
Marc


On Aug 22, 6:20 pm, Mark Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Marc,

 It's good to see your presence on this forum.

 I too own a license of IconWorkshop (just upgraded to 6.31), and create
 all my images for my applications with it.

 Great product.

 Thanx,

 Mark Stuart

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Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-22 Thread Marc EMILE - Axialis
Chris:

My name is Marc EMILE from Axialis Software, author of IconWorkshop.
May I ask you what version of IconWorkshop you used to generate the
ICNS file? FYI, in the latest version 6.31 we've fixed an issue in
256x256 and 512x512 formats.

If you used an older version, could you update to 6.31 and try to load/
save your icon? Does it fix the issue?

Regards,
Marc - Axialis Team
www.axialis.com



On Aug 21, 5:16 pm, Chris Sheffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just to let everyone know, I got the artwork from the artist, plugged  
 the images into Icon Composer, and all is well. :-) Thanks for all the  
 suggestions.

 On Aug 20, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Ken Ray wrote:







  This is a limitation in Icon Composer, which only offers a few basic
  sizes. 128 pixels is the largest it allows.

  Actually, the latest Icon Composer under Leopard has 512, 256, 128,  
  32, and
  16 pixel sizes.

  Chris, if you still have the problem after you check on the artwork,  
  the
  other thing you can do is to check the 'info.plist' file in the  
  bundle -
  this is where the OS connects the app to the icon. Look for:

     keyCFBundleTypeIconFile/key

  This should have a string after it that is the icon file that will  
  be used
  for the app -  make sure this is the same name as the actual icon  
  file in
  the Resources folder.

  Just my 2 cents...

  Ken Ray
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Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-22 Thread Chris Sheffield
Thanks, Marc. Good to see your presence on this list. :-) I will have  
our artist make sure he's using the latest version and try again. That  
could very well have been the problem, seeing as how the artwork he  
sent me seemed just fine.



On Aug 22, 2008, at 4:24 AM, Marc EMILE - Axialis wrote:


Chris:

My name is Marc EMILE from Axialis Software, author of IconWorkshop.
May I ask you what version of IconWorkshop you used to generate the
ICNS file? FYI, in the latest version 6.31 we've fixed an issue in
256x256 and 512x512 formats.

If you used an older version, could you update to 6.31 and try to  
load/

save your icon? Does it fix the issue?

Regards,
Marc - Axialis Team
www.axialis.com



On Aug 21, 5:16 pm, Chris Sheffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Just to let everyone know, I got the artwork from the artist, plugged
the images into Icon Composer, and all is well. :-) Thanks for all  
the

suggestions.

On Aug 20, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Ken Ray wrote:







This is a limitation in Icon Composer, which only offers a few  
basic

sizes. 128 pixels is the largest it allows.



Actually, the latest Icon Composer under Leopard has 512, 256, 128,
32, and
16 pixel sizes.



Chris, if you still have the problem after you check on the artwork,
the
other thing you can do is to check the 'info.plist' file in the
bundle -
this is where the OS connects the app to the icon. Look for:



   keyCFBundleTypeIconFile/key



This should have a string after it that is the icon file that will
be used
for the app -  make sure this is the same name as the actual icon
file in
the Resources folder.



Just my 2 cents...



Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
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Web Site:http://www.sonsothunder.com/



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Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-21 Thread Chris Sheffield
Just to let everyone know, I got the artwork from the artist, plugged  
the images into Icon Composer, and all is well. :-) Thanks for all the  
suggestions.


On Aug 20, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Ken Ray wrote:




This is a limitation in Icon Composer, which only offers a few basic
sizes. 128 pixels is the largest it allows.


Actually, the latest Icon Composer under Leopard has 512, 256, 128,  
32, and

16 pixel sizes.

Chris, if you still have the problem after you check on the artwork,  
the
other thing you can do is to check the 'info.plist' file in the  
bundle -

this is where the OS connects the app to the icon. Look for:

   keyCFBundleTypeIconFile/key

This should have a string after it that is the icon file that will  
be used
for the app -  make sure this is the same name as the actual icon  
file in

the Resources folder.

Just my 2 cents...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


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Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-20 Thread William de Smet
Hi there Chris,

As I recall you need to paste the icon file yourself be done by
right-clicking on the .rev file (???)  and then use the 'show info'
option.
Then copy and paste the icon file and then built the app.

Greetings,

William

2008/8/20 Chris Sheffield [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Forgive me if this has been covered in the past, but I can't seem to find
 any info about it.

 We have a graphics artist in our company who is trying to create some
 program icons, and for some reason the Mac icns file just isn't working
 quite right. Revolution builds the standalone without errors, but the icon
 does not appear on the app after being built. The icns file is included in
 the bundle, and selecting it in the Finder does show the image correctly.
 What would cause the icon from not showing on the app bundle itself?
 Something in the way the icon was created, or is it something in Revolution?
 We've not had trouble with icons in the past. The artist is using a program
 called Axialis IconWorkshop to create both Win and Mac icons.

 Any help would be appreciated.

 Thanks,
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Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-20 Thread Chris Sheffield
I don't think that's necessary. At least, it never has been in the  
past. Specifying an icon to use in the Standalone Application Settings  
is supposed to apply that icon to the bundle. I'm pretty sure it's  
something in the way the icon is getting created in IconWorkshop that  
Rev doesn't like. So I just need someone (hopefully familiar with  
IconWorkshop) to tell me how to make it work. :-)



On Aug 20, 2008, at 8:43 AM, William de Smet wrote:


Hi there Chris,

As I recall you need to paste the icon file yourself be done by
right-clicking on the .rev file (???)  and then use the 'show info'
option.
Then copy and paste the icon file and then built the app.

Greetings,

William

2008/8/20 Chris Sheffield [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Forgive me if this has been covered in the past, but I can't seem  
to find

any info about it.

We have a graphics artist in our company who is trying to create some
program icons, and for some reason the Mac icns file just isn't  
working
quite right. Revolution builds the standalone without errors, but  
the icon
does not appear on the app after being built. The icns file is  
included in
the bundle, and selecting it in the Finder does show the image  
correctly.

What would cause the icon from not showing on the app bundle itself?
Something in the way the icon was created, or is it something in  
Revolution?
We've not had trouble with icons in the past. The artist is using a  
program

called Axialis IconWorkshop to create both Win and Mac icons.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Chris


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Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-20 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi Chris,

The icon doesn't appear, because the OS doesn't know about it yet. You  
can touch the icon with the shell function, you can zip and unzip the  
file, or get the info window and click on the icon in that window  
followed by a press on backspace key. There might be more tricks to  
make the icon appear.


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On 20 aug 2008, at 16:25, Chris Sheffield wrote:

Forgive me if this has been covered in the past, but I can't seem to  
find any info about it.


We have a graphics artist in our company who is trying to create  
some program icons, and for some reason the Mac icns file just isn't  
working quite right. Revolution builds the standalone without  
errors, but the icon does not appear on the app after being built.  
The icns file is included in the bundle, and selecting it in the  
Finder does show the image correctly. What would cause the icon from  
not showing on the app bundle itself? Something in the way the icon  
was created, or is it something in Revolution? We've not had trouble  
with icons in the past. The artist is using a program called Axialis  
IconWorkshop to create both Win and Mac icons.


Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Chris


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Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-20 Thread Chris Sheffield
No go. Already tried that. That was the first thing I tried cause I've  
had that happen many times before. But usually in that case there is  
still an icon, whether it's the generic app icon or whatever. In this  
case, however, there is absolutely no icon. In the Finder, I see the  
name of the app bundle, but where the icon should be, it's simply blank.


On Aug 20, 2008, at 9:17 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:


Hi Chris,

The icon doesn't appear, because the OS doesn't know about it yet.  
You can touch the icon with the shell function, you can zip and  
unzip the file, or get the info window and click on the icon in that  
window followed by a press on backspace key. There might be more  
tricks to make the icon appear.


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Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-20 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi Chris,

What do you mean with in the Finder and blank?

If you open the application package, go to standalone.app/contents/ 
resources. This folder should contain a file Revolution.icns and  
RevolutionDoc.icns. If these icons have a file size equal to 0 or if  
they simply don't exist, just put your own icon file there and give it  
the correct name. Now use one of the methods to touch the  
application package and you should see the icon.


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On 20 aug 2008, at 17:28, Chris Sheffield wrote:

No go. Already tried that. That was the first thing I tried cause  
I've had that happen many times before. But usually in that case  
there is still an icon, whether it's the generic app icon or  
whatever. In this case, however, there is absolutely no icon. In the  
Finder, I see the name of the app bundle, but where the icon should  
be, it's simply blank.


On Aug 20, 2008, at 9:17 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:


Hi Chris,

The icon doesn't appear, because the OS doesn't know about it yet.  
You can touch the icon with the shell function, you can zip and  
unzip the file, or get the info window and click on the icon in  
that window followed by a press on backspace key. There might be  
more tricks to make the icon appear.


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Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-20 Thread J. Landman Gay

Chris Sheffield wrote:
I don't think that's necessary. At least, it never has been in the past. 
Specifying an icon to use in the Standalone Application Settings is 
supposed to apply that icon to the bundle. I'm pretty sure it's 
something in the way the icon is getting created in IconWorkshop that 
Rev doesn't like. So I just need someone (hopefully familiar with 
IconWorkshop) to tell me how to make it work. :-)


If you open the Mac icon file with Preview, are the images there? That 
won't be a definitive test for the icon file's validity but if they are 
blank in Preview it would tell you that the file format isn't right.


There is a free icon tool included with the Developer Tools on the OS X 
installation CD. You need to install the Developer Tools to see it (it 
isn't part of a normal installation.) I often use it, it is called Icon 
Composer, and it creates Mac icon files in the appropriate format. 
There's a Photoshop plugin too that many swear by, but it isn't free and 
I haven't ever tried it. Graphic Converter, a terrific Mac image editor, 
also has a free version and it creates Mac icon files as well.


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Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-20 Thread Chris Sheffield
By in the Finder I mean in a Finder window looking at the  
application. Doesn't matter if I'm using icon, list, or column view.  
By blank I mean blank. :-) No icon appears next to the application  
name. You know how in a Finder window you see your application names  
with an the icon in front of them (or above them if you're using icon  
view)? Well, my application has no icon. Not sure how much more clear  
I can be.


The icon files are there in the bundle, just as they should be. That's  
what's so weird about this. And when I look at the preview for my icon  
file, I do in fact see the image just fine. It just doesn't display in  
front of the application name. No idea why. Using touch does not make  
any difference. I've tried logging out and even restarting the  
computer just to be sure and nothing changes.


I still think it's something with the icns file itself. Does anybody  
know if there are any published specs anywhere for icon files?



On Aug 20, 2008, at 9:47 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:


Hi Chris,

What do you mean with in the Finder and blank?

If you open the application package, go to standalone.app/contents/ 
resources. This folder should contain a file Revolution.icns and  
RevolutionDoc.icns. If these icons have a file size equal to 0 or if  
they simply don't exist, just put your own icon file there and give  
it the correct name. Now use one of the methods to touch the  
application package and you should see the icon.


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On 20 aug 2008, at 17:28, Chris Sheffield wrote:

No go. Already tried that. That was the first thing I tried cause  
I've had that happen many times before. But usually in that case  
there is still an icon, whether it's the generic app icon or  
whatever. In this case, however, there is absolutely no icon. In  
the Finder, I see the name of the app bundle, but where the icon  
should be, it's simply blank.


On Aug 20, 2008, at 9:17 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:


Hi Chris,

The icon doesn't appear, because the OS doesn't know about it yet.  
You can touch the icon with the shell function, you can zip and  
unzip the file, or get the info window and click on the icon in  
that window followed by a press on backspace key. There might be  
more tricks to make the icon appear.


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Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-20 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi Chris,

I'm sure the specs are somewhere available, but I have no need for  
them. I use Apple's Icon Composer and I have never had any problem  
with that. If you think that IconWorkshop creates bad icons, give Icon  
Composer a try. It is included with Apple's developer tools, which are  
freely available from their developers website.


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On 20 aug 2008, at 18:12, Chris Sheffield wrote:

By in the Finder I mean in a Finder window looking at the  
application. Doesn't matter if I'm using icon, list, or column view.  
By blank I mean blank. :-) No icon appears next to the application  
name. You know how in a Finder window you see your application names  
with an the icon in front of them (or above them if you're using  
icon view)? Well, my application has no icon. Not sure how much more  
clear I can be.


The icon files are there in the bundle, just as they should be.  
That's what's so weird about this. And when I look at the preview  
for my icon file, I do in fact see the image just fine. It just  
doesn't display in front of the application name. No idea why. Using  
touch does not make any difference. I've tried logging out and even  
restarting the computer just to be sure and nothing changes.


I still think it's something with the icns file itself. Does anybody  
know if there are any published specs anywhere for icon files?




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Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-20 Thread Chris Sheffield
Thanks, Jacque. Good info. I opened the icon in Preview and yes, I see  
all the images. However, they are not all the same. Some of them don't  
appear to have a transparency, and one of them is a perfect square  
where all the rest have rounded corners. So there are some strange  
things. And when I open the icns file in Icon Composer (looks like a  
great tool btw) only the 128x128 size and below load into the image  
wells. There's not 256 or 512 size, even though these display in  
Preview. So something is definitely goofy with the file. I'll report  
these findings to the artist and see what he can do.


Thanks again.

Chris


On Aug 20, 2008, at 10:08 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Chris Sheffield wrote:
I don't think that's necessary. At least, it never has been in the  
past. Specifying an icon to use in the Standalone Application  
Settings is supposed to apply that icon to the bundle. I'm pretty  
sure it's something in the way the icon is getting created in  
IconWorkshop that Rev doesn't like. So I just need someone  
(hopefully familiar with IconWorkshop) to tell me how to make it  
work. :-)


If you open the Mac icon file with Preview, are the images there?  
That won't be a definitive test for the icon file's validity but if  
they are blank in Preview it would tell you that the file format  
isn't right.


There is a free icon tool included with the Developer Tools on the  
OS X installation CD. You need to install the Developer Tools to see  
it (it isn't part of a normal installation.) I often use it, it is  
called Icon Composer, and it creates Mac icon files in the  
appropriate format. There's a Photoshop plugin too that many swear  
by, but it isn't free and I haven't ever tried it. Graphic  
Converter, a terrific Mac image editor, also has a free version and  
it creates Mac icon files as well.


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Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-20 Thread J. Landman Gay

Chris Sheffield wrote:

when I open the icns file in Icon Composer (looks like a great tool btw) 
only the 128x128 size and below load into the image wells. There's not 
256 or 512 size, even though these display in Preview.


This is a limitation in Icon Composer, which only offers a few basic 
sizes. 128 pixels is the largest it allows. The Finder will scale the 
icon if necessary, but 128 is the largest size that Icon Composer will 
save in the icns file. It's limitations have never had any ill effects 
in my icon files though, the Finder works fine with 128 px.


Now that I think about it, I wonder if having huge icon sizes in the 
icns file is what's messing up everything. I've never created a Mac icon 
with a stored image larger than 128. Maybe just the existence of extra 
images gives the Finder a heart attack?


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Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-20 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi,

The 512^2 icons are specific to Leopard and Snow. It is indeed  
possible that other versions of OSX can't cope with this, but Leopard  
and Snow shouldn't have any problems with this.


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On 20 aug 2008, at 18:42, J. Landman Gay wrote:


This is a limitation in Icon Composer, which only offers a few basic  
sizes. 128 pixels is the largest it allows. The Finder will scale  
the icon if necessary, but 128 is the largest size that Icon  
Composer will save in the icns file. It's limitations have never had  
any ill effects in my icon files though, the Finder works fine with  
128 px.


Now that I think about it, I wonder if having huge icon sizes in the  
icns file is what's messing up everything. I've never created a Mac  
icon with a stored image larger than 128. Maybe just the existence  
of extra images gives the Finder a heart attack?


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Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-20 Thread J. Landman Gay

Chris Sheffield wrote:
Thanks, Jacque. Good info. I opened the icon in Preview and yes, I see 
all the images. However, they are not all the same. Some of them don't 
appear to have a transparency, and one of them is a perfect square where 
all the rest have rounded corners. 


One other thing. The image masks may not be correct. An image without a 
mask will be transparent. Icon Composer allows you to set the mask for 
each image size. Try that and see if it fixes the problem.


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Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-20 Thread Chris Sheffield
I'm pretty sure the 512 size at least is only supported under Leopard.  
Not sure about the 256 size. I'm running Leopard, but this app will  
have to run on 10.3 and up. So maybe we should simply stick with the  
128 size?



On Aug 20, 2008, at 10:42 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Chris Sheffield wrote:

when I open the icns file in Icon Composer (looks like a great tool  
btw) only the 128x128 size and below load into the image wells.  
There's not 256 or 512 size, even though these display in Preview.


This is a limitation in Icon Composer, which only offers a few basic  
sizes. 128 pixels is the largest it allows. The Finder will scale  
the icon if necessary, but 128 is the largest size that Icon  
Composer will save in the icns file. It's limitations have never had  
any ill effects in my icon files though, the Finder works fine with  
128 px.


Now that I think about it, I wonder if having huge icon sizes in the  
icns file is what's messing up everything. I've never created a Mac  
icon with a stored image larger than 128. Maybe just the existence  
of extra images gives the Finder a heart attack?


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Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-20 Thread Ken Ray

 This is a limitation in Icon Composer, which only offers a few basic
 sizes. 128 pixels is the largest it allows.

Actually, the latest Icon Composer under Leopard has 512, 256, 128, 32, and
16 pixel sizes. 

Chris, if you still have the problem after you check on the artwork, the
other thing you can do is to check the 'info.plist' file in the bundle -
this is where the OS connects the app to the icon. Look for:

keyCFBundleTypeIconFile/key

This should have a string after it that is the icon file that will be used
for the app -  make sure this is the same name as the actual icon file in
the Resources folder.

Just my 2 cents...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
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Re: Mac icon specifications

2008-08-20 Thread J. Landman Gay

Ken Ray wrote:

This is a limitation in Icon Composer, which only offers a few basic
sizes. 128 pixels is the largest it allows.


Actually, the latest Icon Composer under Leopard has 512, 256, 128, 32, and
16 pixel sizes. 


That'll teach me to update. I just installed the Leopard tools (was 
using Tiger tools before.) Icon Composer is really different in Leopard, 
they completely changed it. Sorry about the miscommunication and thanks 
for pointing it out, Ken.


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