Re: REV and multimedia

[michael]

http://videolan.org/vlc/
An Alternative- VideoLan plays everything and is 
open-source/cross-platform (including linux).
It is about 9mb. 
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Re: REV and multimedia

[Alex Rice]

On Feb 9, 2004, at 4:42 PM, erik hansen wrote:

i couldn't find the PRICE for the download.
Quicktime player is free that's all you need to play quicktime media. 
(but Apple is always trying to sell you Quicktime PRO which is ~ $30)
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Re: REV and multimedia

[erik hansen]

--- Klaus Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So in general, there are no reasons to not
> install QT on your pc...
> But maybe someone should write a "libMCI"

any comparisons with Windows Media Player?

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Re: REV and multimedia

[erik hansen]

--- Alex Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Quicktime is not available for Linux. Quicktime
> for Windows is a 16MB download.
> For a shareware developer to require users to
> make a 16MB download 
> could be a problem.

i couldn't find the PRICE for the download.

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Re: REV and multimedia

[Alex Rice]

On Feb 9, 2004, at 12:19 PM, Ken Norris wrote:

What's the alternative for scripting movies in Rev?
I think AVI is the other movie format that Rev supports, aside from 
Quicktime. And animated GIF of course.

How about PNG animations (MNG)? 

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Re: REV and multimedia

[Ken Norris]

Hi Alex,

> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 10:35:14 -0700
> From: Alex Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: REV and multimedia
> 
> 
> On Feb 9, 2004, at 10:24 AM, Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote:
> 
>> Why this big negative about using Apple technologies? Quicktime works
>> well, and is free.
> 
> Quicktime is not available for Linux. Quicktime for Windows is a 16MB
> download.
> For a shareware developer to require users to make a 16MB download
> could be a problem.
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What's the alternative for scripting movies in Rev?

Ken N.

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Re: REV and multimedia

[Richard Gaskin]

Christopher Mitchell wrote:

> I can give you a concrete reason why some of my Win only friends are
> edgy about having to install quicktime, and it is for the same reason I
> am edgy about having to install any product from Real media: there is,
> or at least has been in past installers, a tendency for QT to hijack
> media playing, and this is (again, an an older release) even with being
> careful about installation choices.
> 
> If you get too many people gunshy of installing your product because it
> either has given them experience of hijacking their media (whether by
> user error or not-quite-okay install script) then they're not going to
> change easily...

Agreed on the preception:  QuickTime is very polite about file extensions,
but Real is horribly rude and has established unfortunate expectations that
bleed over to other products.

Apple could do a better job of explaining the distinctions between the
QuickTime and Real Player experiences.

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Re: REV and multimedia

[Christopher Mitchell]

I can give you a concrete reason why some of my Win only friends are 
edgy about having to install quicktime, and it is for the same reason I 
am edgy about having to install any product from Real media: there is, 
or at least has been in past installers, a tendency for QT to hijack 
media playing, and this is (again, an an older release) even with being 
careful about installation choices.

If you get too many people gunshy of installing your product because it 
either has given them experience of hijacking their media (whether by 
user error or not-quite-okay install script) then they're not going to 
change easily...

getting people to install anything when they have something 
"comparable" that works is like pulling teeth.  i've been trying to 
convince a friend of mine to try iTunes on Windows for several months 
now, but because of the a) quicktime installation required, and b) some 
weird thing that happened no his machine with it on the first time he 
ran it, he's preferring to stick with Winamp.  No amount of convincing 
him that he hasn't given it a fair shot or that QT installs very well 
on Win these days seems to make an effort, and so there is my story...

Yours,
Chris
On Feb 9, 2004, at 11:24 AM, Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote:
Why this big negative about using Apple technologies? Quicktime works 
well, and is free. All this Applephobia is getting really dumb. Does 
Sony think they will sell more videocams because they call Firewire 
iLink, even though Apple created it?

People should get over the fact that Apple developed almost every new 
computer technology over the last 15 years and get over it. All the PC 
companies had plenty of time to develop iPods, Wireless, utilize USB 
(I know apple didn't invent it but they were the first to embrace it), 
and they invented a Teleconferencing system that actually worked well 
(iSight).

All Windoze and Linux users have all benefited from Apple "raising the 
bar" and should admit it.


As far as multimedia is concerned, Revolution as a native support for 
Quicktime, clearly an Apple technology. Windows and Linux users are 
not so happy...

Claude
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Re: REV and multimedia

[Ian Wood]

Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote:

Why this big negative about using Apple technologies? Quicktime works 
well, and is free. All this Applephobia is getting really dumb. Does 
Sony think they will sell more videocams because they call Firewire 
iLink, even though Apple created it?
The FireWire name is a registered trademark of Apple, and until 
mid-2002 you had to pay Apple if you wanted to use the name.  You no 
longer have to pay, but you do need a free licence.  This is standard 
tactics for Apple, they make their technology available to others, but 
you usually have to pay for it in some way...  Maybe this is why Sony 
used the name iLink?
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/may/29firewireTA.html

Alex Rice wrote:

Quicktime is not available for Linux. Quicktime for Windows is a 16MB 
download.
For a shareware developer to require users to make a 16MB download 
could be a problem.
I's actually 11MB, but the principle still applies.  There is a 
shareware program that gets the QT browser plugin working on Linux, but 
ONLY the browser plugin.  And why should Linux users be penalised by 
spending $25 to get half the functionality that Win & Mac users get for 
free.  Until there is a QT for Linux I don't really regard it as truly 
cross-platform, even though it is my main development area.

My two Eurocents,

Ian Wood

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Re: REV and multimedia

[Pierre Sahores]

Le 9 févr. 04, à 18:39, Richard Gaskin a écrit :

Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote:

Why this big negative about using Apple technologies? Quicktime works
well, and is free.
...
All Windoze and Linux users have all benefited from Apple "raising
the bar" and should admit it.
Where is QuickTime for Linux?
About streaming : Darwin Streaming Server is available and about 
playing  back movies,  VideoLan is delivred with the same "sample.mov" 
file that comes with QTSS under OSX Server...
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Re: REV and multimedia

[Klaus Major]

Hi all,

On Feb 9, 2004, at 10:24 AM, Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote:

Why this big negative about using Apple technologies? Quicktime works 
well, and is free.
Quicktime is not available for Linux.
That's sad but true :-(

But there might be light at the end of the tunnel :-)

This is from http://www.macosrumors.com/
(ok, it's a rumour, but sounds pretty cool ;-):
Tuesday, February 3

Apple's 10.4 "Linux initiative" could work both ways. Today's crop of 
new reports on
this topic not only provide considerable confirmation that Apple is 
indeed pondering
a "Linux adoption" move, but hint at an angle we haven't covered 
yet.It has been
suggested that Apple could gain quite a bit of attention and support 
from the
GNU/Linux/OSS communities by porting more of its key pieces of 
software to
Linux: Xcode, Rendezvous, QuickTime, iTunes, and iChat have all been
mentioned. More on this later in the week as we continue to analyze 
this
particularly tantalizing line of inquiry


Quicktime for Windows is a 16MB download.
For a shareware developer to require users to make a 16MB download 
could be a problem.
From the Apple QT page:

QuickTime 5 was downloaded over 100 million times by both Windows and 
Mac customers
in its first year. And QuickTime 6 is even more popular, reaching 175 
million downloads in
less than 18 months. Every day, more than 300,000 people download 
QuickTime...
So, where the heck are these millions of users?

I know people who ARE having trouble installing QT, but in all of the 
cases (i have seen!)
they were running win98/SE/ME and the system was totally due to a 
re-installation!!!

So in general, there are no reasons to not install QT on your pc...

But maybe someone should write a "libMCI" though :-D

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Re: REV and multimedia

[Richard Gaskin]

Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote:

> Why this big negative about using Apple technologies? Quicktime works
> well, and is free.
...
> All Windoze and Linux users have all benefited from Apple "raising
> the bar" and should admit it.

Where is QuickTime for Linux?

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