Re: RevCGI Hosts?
Hi Richard, Sorry for the delayed reply. If you call cgiemail as a URL the same way a form does when using the GET method, you can use get url http://www.domain.com/cgi-bin/cgiemail.cgi?lotsofparameters=lotsofvariables Just make sure the internet library is available. Also, you might want to check the post entry in the docs. You should be able to call the cgi using a url to the server Rev CGI is running on. Surely, you could also use one of the SMTP libraries to send out e- mail directly. I did this, but noticed that the way this works depends on the server configuration, which one doesn't always have control of. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter. Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html Op 20 feb 2008, om 20:00 heeft Richard Miller het volgende geschreven: Hi Mark, Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems that cgiemail is designed to work when generated from an html input form. What I need to do is send an email directly to a recipient right from my Rev cgi program (where the email address is coming out of a database...not from a form). Can cgiemail do that? Thanks. Richard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevCGI Hosts?
I still think the best option is Sendmail. I bet a beer with you that cgiemail is calling sendmail by itself :-D On 2/25/08, Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Richard, Sorry for the delayed reply. If you call cgiemail as a URL the same way a form does when using the GET method, you can use get url http://www.domain.com/cgi-bin/cgiemail.cgi?lotsofparameters=lotsofvariables Just make sure the internet library is available. Also, you might want to check the post entry in the docs. You should be able to call the cgi using a url to the server Rev CGI is running on. Surely, you could also use one of the SMTP libraries to send out e- mail directly. I did this, but noticed that the way this works depends on the server configuration, which one doesn't always have control of. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter. Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html Op 20 feb 2008, om 20:00 heeft Richard Miller het volgende geschreven: Hi Mark, Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems that cgiemail is designed to work when generated from an html input form. What I need to do is send an email directly to a recipient right from my Rev cgi program (where the email address is coming out of a database...not from a form). Can cgiemail do that? Thanks. Richard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I don't drink beer, so you can have it :-p Just a question, do you think that sendmail easier than cgiemail? Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter. Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html Op 25 feb 2008, om 17:48 heeft Andre Garzia het volgende geschreven: I still think the best option is Sendmail. I bet a beer with you that cgiemail is calling sendmail by itself :-D ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Andre, your two cents are worth many dollars on this forum! my two brazilian real cents which are worth near nothing but are the prettiest money in the world (Except for old maltese liri which were gorgeous) Andre -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Mark, yes, sendmail can be called from a cgi with a simple shell() call. You can use RocketsSendmail library to make it even easier. This allows you to customize the email and code your own solution. For example in our Hinduism Today Digital Edition (http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital ) we use RocketsSendmail to send a verification email to the newly created accounts, upon following a link on those emails, the account is verified, this is a common pattern used by many web applications which can't be easily reproduced with cgiemail. RocketsSendmail has only one function, that function is analogous to RevMail but uses sendmail or mail (depending on the platform) to send the email. With Sendmail you're in control, you have the freedom to assemble the emails anyway you want and even do processing on them first. With cgiemail all you can do is forward forms... cgiemail may be easier to forward forms, but that will just get you more trouble in the long run for you're pushing your workflow to deal with the form later. with sendmail you can do work earlier in the workflow and send more meaningful emails. my two brazilian real cents which are worth near nothing but are the prettiest money in the world (Except for old maltese liri which were gorgeous) Andre On 2/25/08, Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't drink beer, so you can have it :-p Just a question, do you think that sendmail easier than cgiemail? Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter. Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html Op 25 feb 2008, om 17:48 heeft Andre Garzia het volgende geschreven: I still think the best option is Sendmail. I bet a beer with you that cgiemail is calling sendmail by itself :-D ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Ahh of course! Somehow, I was thinking sendmail.cgi rather than shell. Thanks for your patience, Andre. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter. Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html Op 25 feb 2008, om 18:23 heeft Andre Garzia het volgende geschreven: Mark, yes, sendmail can be called from a cgi with a simple shell() call. You can use RocketsSendmail library to make it even easier. This allows you to customize the email and code your own solution. snip ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Andre, I'll definitely take a good look at that. Does that library require an SMTP relay or does it use some other method of sending an email? Thanks. Richard On Feb 21, 2008, at 1:19 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: Richard, you can use RocketsSendmail library from the RevOnRockets package to send email, you'll probably need to change the path to the sendmail application in there, but after that you should be able to send emails in one line of code. Andre On 2/20/08, Richard Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options: 1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With libsmtp253 or something else? 2. can you use the put x into ftp:url z syntax or some other language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on another server? Thanks. Richard Miller On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Mark Talluto wrote: On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: You and others here got me to take a look at DreamHost, and I've been very happy with them over the last year since I signed on. I have both a Dreamhost and JaguarPC account. I am about to close out our JaguarPC accounts as their ftp upload max speed is around 125KB/sec. I can saturate my pipe at 2 MB/Sec with DreamHost. Gotta love FIOS! Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevCGI Hosts?
On 20 Feb 2008, at 17:54, J. Landman Gay wrote: Dave Cragg wrote: My concern was that if the engine is in the cgi-bin folder, you can attempt to call the engine directly. For example, if the engine is named rev, then what happens when you request the url http://some.server.com/cgi-bin/rev; I get an internal server error and nothing happens. Will Apache try to start the engine? Doesn't look like it, or if it does, it won't work. I think that's what Scott Raney was saying. The only vulnerabilities the engine allows are the ones you write into your scripts yourself. Sorry to prolong this, Jacque. The internal server error is returned by Apache, and only indicates that things didn't work, but not necessarily that nothing happened. I tried calling this URL: http://localhost/cgi-bin/revolution?12345 I get the 500 internal server error, but in the Apache error log I see this: revolution: Can't load stack or script 12345 [Thu Feb 21 10:41:45 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of script headers: /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/revolution Which suggests revolution started and tried to do something. That it fails (even when 12345 is substituted with a real stack) is reassuring. But then I wonder that the failure may be due to this being the Darwin engine and it never opens regular stacks. And Chipp confirmed that the Linux engine will open stacks from a script, and so I wonder if it might open stacks from a passed parameter. So instead of losing sleep, I just put the engine outside the cgi-bin folder. Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Richard, RocketsSendmail is just a wrapper for the popular Sendmail unix tool that is bundled with every linux under the sun. In the end, you're calling the sendmail command line tool and that tool is sending the email. It does not rely on relays or other hacks, sendmail is the *official* way to send emails from a hosted account usually. You'll need to change the path to sendmail though. andre On 2/21/08, Richard Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andre, I'll definitely take a good look at that. Does that library require an SMTP relay or does it use some other method of sending an email? Thanks. Richard On Feb 21, 2008, at 1:19 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: Richard, you can use RocketsSendmail library from the RevOnRockets package to send email, you'll probably need to change the path to the sendmail application in there, but after that you should be able to send emails in one line of code. Andre On 2/20/08, Richard Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options: 1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With libsmtp253 or something else? 2. can you use the put x into ftp:url z syntax or some other language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on another server? Thanks. Richard Miller On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Mark Talluto wrote: On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: You and others here got me to take a look at DreamHost, and I've been very happy with them over the last year since I signed on. I have both a Dreamhost and JaguarPC account. I am about to close out our JaguarPC accounts as their ftp upload max speed is around 125KB/sec. I can saturate my pipe at 2 MB/Sec with DreamHost. Gotta love FIOS! Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Andre, OK. Well, perhaps that's where I'm running into a problem. I'm running my Rev cgi program on a dedicated MacMini server. It's simply a MacMini sitting in some server farm somewhere, so it's not a hosted account, in the traditional sense. Should I still be able to use sendmail? Thanks. Richard On Feb 21, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: Richard, RocketsSendmail is just a wrapper for the popular Sendmail unix tool that is bundled with every linux under the sun. In the end, you're calling the sendmail command line tool and that tool is sending the email. It does not rely on relays or other hacks, sendmail is the *official* way to send emails from a hosted account usually. You'll need to change the path to sendmail though. andre On 2/21/08, Richard Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andre, I'll definitely take a good look at that. Does that library require an SMTP relay or does it use some other method of sending an email? Thanks. Richard On Feb 21, 2008, at 1:19 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: Richard, you can use RocketsSendmail library from the RevOnRockets package to send email, you'll probably need to change the path to the sendmail application in there, but after that you should be able to send emails in one line of code. Andre On 2/20/08, Richard Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options: 1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With libsmtp253 or something else? 2. can you use the put x into ftp:url z syntax or some other language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on another server? Thanks. Richard Miller On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Mark Talluto wrote: On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: You and others here got me to take a look at DreamHost, and I've been very happy with them over the last year since I signed on. I have both a Dreamhost and JaguarPC account. I am about to close out our JaguarPC accounts as their ftp upload max speed is around 125KB/sec. I can saturate my pipe at 2 MB/Sec with DreamHost. Gotta love FIOS! Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Richard, You're lucky, RocketsSendmail supports only two operating systems - Linux Mac OS X - so you're good to go. On MacOS X, RocketsSendmail will use command line mail command. (Mac OS X includes sendmail but mail command line tool works better) Cheers andre On 2/21/08, Richard Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andre, OK. Well, perhaps that's where I'm running into a problem. I'm running my Rev cgi program on a dedicated MacMini server. It's simply a MacMini sitting in some server farm somewhere, so it's not a hosted account, in the traditional sense. Should I still be able to use sendmail? Thanks. Richard On Feb 21, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: Richard, RocketsSendmail is just a wrapper for the popular Sendmail unix tool that is bundled with every linux under the sun. In the end, you're calling the sendmail command line tool and that tool is sending the email. It does not rely on relays or other hacks, sendmail is the *official* way to send emails from a hosted account usually. You'll need to change the path to sendmail though. andre On 2/21/08, Richard Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andre, I'll definitely take a good look at that. Does that library require an SMTP relay or does it use some other method of sending an email? Thanks. Richard On Feb 21, 2008, at 1:19 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: Richard, you can use RocketsSendmail library from the RevOnRockets package to send email, you'll probably need to change the path to the sendmail application in there, but after that you should be able to send emails in one line of code. Andre On 2/20/08, Richard Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options: 1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With libsmtp253 or something else? 2. can you use the put x into ftp:url z syntax or some other language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on another server? Thanks. Richard Miller On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Mark Talluto wrote: On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: You and others here got me to take a look at DreamHost, and I've been very happy with them over the last year since I signed on. I have both a Dreamhost and JaguarPC account. I am about to close out our JaguarPC accounts as their ftp upload max speed is around 125KB/sec. I can saturate my pipe at 2 MB/Sec with DreamHost. Gotta love FIOS! Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevCGI Hosts?
Dave Cragg wrote: Sorry to prolong this, Jacque. Not at all. I think the discussion is valuable. I am fairly sure that Rev is more secure than some other CGI implementations but I'd like to know that for certain. The internal server error is returned by Apache, and only indicates that things didn't work, but not necessarily that nothing happened. I tried calling this URL: http://localhost/cgi-bin/revolution?12345 I get the 500 internal server error, but in the Apache error log I see this: revolution: Can't load stack or script 12345 [Thu Feb 21 10:41:45 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of script headers: /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/revolution Right, I saw the same thing. The important part, I think, is that you can't pass a parameter to the Rev engine unless there is a script on the server that can parse those parameters (at least, that's what I think. It's what I want to know for sure.) So, barring someone who physically accesses the server and puts in a spy script, I don't think Rev will work when passing parameters to the raw engine itself. But like I said, I'd like this verified because right now I'm just guessing. Which suggests revolution started and tried to do something. That it fails (even when 12345 is substituted with a real stack) is reassuring. But then I wonder that the failure may be due to this being the Darwin engine and it never opens regular stacks. The Darwin engine opens stacks okay, I have several CGIs that open and use regular stacks. The key is that they are all opened by a CGI script, and the browser calls those scripts in the URL. I have not been able to get Rev to respond properly by just calling the engine alone from a browser, with or without parameters. But I'm not an expert, so I'd like to know if there is a way to do that. If there is, then that would be the weak point in the engine. And Chipp confirmed that the Linux engine will open stacks from a script, and so I wonder if it might open stacks from a passed parameter. Chipp and I talked about that. I have an older engine on my site, which opens stacks fine with either the library or start using commands; it is only the open command that fails. Apparently this was changed in a later engine version, so that open also works (I should update the engine on my server, I guess.) But regardless, my scripts do open and use stacks on the server even with the older engine, in both Darwin and Linux environments. What I can't make Rev do is open a stack without having a CGI script in place to do that. So instead of losing sleep, I just put the engine outside the cgi-bin folder. I think this is a safe thing to do. Mainly I just want to verify, for my own curiosity, whether Rev is as secure as Scott Raney implied. So far I can't make it do anything it shouldn't -- but like I said, I'm no 'nix expert and I'd need some help crafting a URL that would do the deed. If anyone is willing to bang on the engine this way, I'd like to know what they find out. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Jacque, I did confirm that 2.9 dp3 works as long as the first line has the -ui switch: #!revolution -ui I would imagine the dp 4 is the same. Just thought you should know. -C ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Chipp Walters wrote: Jacque, I did confirm that 2.9 dp3 works as long as the first line has the -ui switch: #!revolution -ui I would imagine the dp 4 is the same. Just thought you should know. Beat you to it. Tried it last night and you're right, it works. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 20 Feb 2008, at 01:54, J. Landman Gay wrote: I think we can relax as long as we don't script anything stupid. Here are a couple of quotes from Scott Raney about it: Hi Jacque It wasn't the script content I was concerned about. Scripting problems exist wherever the engine is. My concern was that if the engine is in the cgi-bin folder, you can attempt to call the engine directly. For example, if the engine is named rev, then what happens when you request the url http:// some.server.com/cgi-bin/rev Will Apache try to start the engine? My understanding of Apache and the cgi-bin folder suggests that it will. (But am not certain.) Normally, I think nothing will happen and the engine will immediately close. But if it were possible to coerce Apache to send parameters when opening the engine, the risks seem higher. In the case of the Windows Perl executable, I think Apache sent any query string attached to the url as a parameter. In some circumstances (forget details) the Perl executable will attempt to execute scripts passed as parameters. It was possible to craft a query string that would cause Perls to execute scripts. As I said, I'm reasonably confident this can't be done with Rev. (But it will accept parameters.) But it's usually not a problem to put the engine somewhere outside of the cgi-bin folder and adjust the top line of the script accordingly. The other advantage is that starting a script with #!usr/bin/revbin/ rev or #!../rev makes you look more knowledgeable than simply using #! rev It's like the subtle difference between quiche and egg pie. You'll swear your scripts run faster. :-) Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options: 1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With libsmtp253 or something else? 2. can you use the put x into ftp:url z syntax or some other language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on another server? Thanks. Richard Miller On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Mark Talluto wrote: On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: You and others here got me to take a look at DreamHost, and I've been very happy with them over the last year since I signed on. I have both a Dreamhost and JaguarPC account. I am about to close out our JaguarPC accounts as their ftp upload max speed is around 125KB/sec. I can saturate my pipe at 2 MB/Sec with DreamHost. Gotta love FIOS! Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Hi Richard, The easiest way to send mail is probably http://article.gmane.org/ gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/106139/match=mail+cgi It may depend on server configuration, but it should be possible to do FTP transfers from one web server to another, provided that the FTP library is uncluded. As a test, I wrote a CGI script that opened a socket on my computer at home. This worked fine. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter. Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html Op 20-feb-2008, om 12:36 heeft Richard Miller het volgende geschreven: Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options: 1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With libsmtp253 or something else? 2. can you use the put x into ftp:url z syntax or some other language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on another server? Thanks. Richard Miller ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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possibility of the direct access to revolution engine (or any other file in cgi-bin) can be completely eliminated by putting .htaccess file with the following content into the cgi-bin directory: RewriteEngine on RewriteRule ^(.*)(rev|revolution)(.*) http://localhost/cgi-bin/ [nc] Now everyone trying to invoke rev or revolution from the outside world will be redirected to his own localhost. best wishes! Viktoras Dave Cragg wrote: On 20 Feb 2008, at 01:54, J. Landman Gay wrote: I think we can relax as long as we don't script anything stupid. Here are a couple of quotes from Scott Raney about it: Hi Jacque It wasn't the script content I was concerned about. Scripting problems exist wherever the engine is. My concern was that if the engine is in the cgi-bin folder, you can attempt to call the engine directly. For example, if the engine is named rev, then what happens when you request the url http://some.server.com/cgi-bin/rev; Will Apache try to start the engine? My understanding of Apache and the cgi-bin folder suggests that it will. (But am not certain.) Normally, I think nothing will happen and the engine will immediately close. But if it were possible to coerce Apache to send parameters when opening the engine, the risks seem higher. In the case of the Windows Perl executable, I think Apache sent any query string attached to the url as a parameter. In some circumstances (forget details) the Perl executable will attempt to execute scripts passed as parameters. It was possible to craft a query string that would cause Perls to execute scripts. As I said, I'm reasonably confident this can't be done with Rev. (But it will accept parameters.) But it's usually not a problem to put the engine somewhere outside of the cgi-bin folder and adjust the top line of the script accordingly. The other advantage is that starting a script with #!usr/bin/revbin/rev or #!../rev makes you look more knowledgeable than simply using #!rev It's like the subtle difference between quiche and egg pie. You'll swear your scripts run faster. :-) Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Dave Cragg wrote: My concern was that if the engine is in the cgi-bin folder, you can attempt to call the engine directly. For example, if the engine is named rev, then what happens when you request the url http://some.server.com/cgi-bin/rev; I get an internal server error and nothing happens. Will Apache try to start the engine? Doesn't look like it, or if it does, it won't work. I think that's what Scott Raney was saying. The only vulnerabilities the engine allows are the ones you write into your scripts yourself. My understanding of Apache and the cgi-bin folder suggests that it will. (But am not certain.) Normally, I think nothing will happen and the engine will immediately close. But if it were possible to coerce Apache to send parameters when opening the engine, the risks seem higher. I'm not sure how to pass parameters like that. If someone knows, I'd like to test it. As I said, I'm reasonably confident this can't be done with Rev. (But it will accept parameters.) But it's usually not a problem to put the engine somewhere outside of the cgi-bin folder and adjust the top line of the script accordingly. The other advantage is that starting a script with #!usr/bin/revbin/rev or #!../rev makes you look more knowledgeable than simply using #!rev It's like the subtle difference between quiche and egg pie. You'll swear your scripts run faster. :-) I can't argue with that. :) BTW, even though I said I just name my cgi engine rev, I lied. I didn't. I named it something unguessable, just to be safe. So you and I aren't so different after all. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Hi Mark, Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems that cgiemail is designed to work when generated from an html input form. What I need to do is send an email directly to a recipient right from my Rev cgi program (where the email address is coming out of a database...not from a form). Can cgiemail do that? Thanks. Richard On Feb 20, 2008, at 6:44 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi Richard, The easiest way to send mail is probably http://article.gmane.org/ gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/106139/match=mail+cgi It may depend on server configuration, but it should be possible to do FTP transfers from one web server to another, provided that the FTP library is uncluded. As a test, I wrote a CGI script that opened a socket on my computer at home. This worked fine. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Convert colours between different colour spaces with Color Converter. Download at http://economy-x-talk.com/cc.html Op 20-feb-2008, om 12:36 heeft Richard Miller het volgende geschreven: Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options: 1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With libsmtp253 or something else? 2. can you use the put x into ftp:url z syntax or some other language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on another server? Thanks. Richard Miller ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Richard, you can use RocketsSendmail library from the RevOnRockets package to send email, you'll probably need to change the path to the sendmail application in there, but after that you should be able to send emails in one line of code. Andre On 2/20/08, Richard Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two questions about both of these cgi hosting options: 1. how do you generate an email from these accounts? With libsmtp253 or something else? 2. can you use the put x into ftp:url z syntax or some other language to place data from the cgi-bin into a remote location on another server? Thanks. Richard Miller On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Mark Talluto wrote: On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: You and others here got me to take a look at DreamHost, and I've been very happy with them over the last year since I signed on. I have both a Dreamhost and JaguarPC account. I am about to close out our JaguarPC accounts as their ftp upload max speed is around 125KB/sec. I can saturate my pipe at 2 MB/Sec with DreamHost. Gotta love FIOS! Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 19 Feb 2008, at 02:15, Chipp Walters wrote: So, exactly which version of the Rev engine do I install? I suppose it's a Linux one, and I suppose I put it in the cgi-bin folder. I may just be nervous by nature, but I never put the engine in the cgi-bin folder. By my understanding, the http server will try to execute anything in the cgi-bin folder that has execute permissions set. My worry is whether the server can be coerced into passing parameters when it tries to run the engine. (There was a security problem in the past with the Perl executable on Windows due to this.) While I'm fairly confident Rev is immune from this, why take the risk? I stick it somewhere like /usr/bin/revbin, and so the top of my scripts look like this: #!/usr/bin/revbin/rev Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Dave, I am doing something similar. I put everything on /opt/web/bin... safer and easier to maintain. Andre On 2/19/08, Dave Cragg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Feb 2008, at 02:15, Chipp Walters wrote: So, exactly which version of the Rev engine do I install? I suppose it's a Linux one, and I suppose I put it in the cgi-bin folder. I may just be nervous by nature, but I never put the engine in the cgi-bin folder. By my understanding, the http server will try to execute anything in the cgi-bin folder that has execute permissions set. My worry is whether the server can be coerced into passing parameters when it tries to run the engine. (There was a security problem in the past with the Perl executable on Windows due to this.) While I'm fairly confident Rev is immune from this, why take the risk? I stick it somewhere like /usr/bin/revbin, and so the top of my scripts look like this: #!/usr/bin/revbin/rev Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Dave Cragg wrote: I may just be nervous by nature, but I never put the engine in the cgi-bin folder. By my understanding, the http server will try to execute anything in the cgi-bin folder that has execute permissions set. My worry is whether the server can be coerced into passing parameters when it tries to run the engine. (There was a security problem in the past with the Perl executable on Windows due to this.) While I'm fairly confident Rev is immune from this, why take the risk? I think we can relax as long as we don't script anything stupid. Here are a couple of quotes from Scott Raney about it: With MetaCard your primary (and probably exclusive) risk would be in executing commands or evaluating expressions that come from untrusted sources. Any use of the do and send commands or the value function should be very diligently evaluated to make sure that there is no possibility of this occuring. Of course, you also have to be careful about where you write files, but it's a relatively simple matter to check a path for validity (e.g., don't allow a leading /, or the .., :, or ~ characters anywhere in a path). Which he follows with: I certainly wouldn't rule out building or using MetaCard server software, even for protocols for which well-known (if buggy) open source software is widely available. While I don't see any big advantage to writing an FTP server in MetaCard, an HTTP server that executes CGI scripts is a different matter entirely and an area where a MetaCard server could be safer and feature-competitive with any of the alternatives. snip I've got a soap box here too, and in *my* opinion, the ubiquity of buffer-overrun bugs in open source software rises to the level of criminal negligence. There is just no excuse for this kind of sloppy programming, yet not a week goes by that yet another example of this kind of thing isn't found in one of the commonly used open-source packages. I wouldn't blindly trust Microsoft software either, but at least the majority of the security holes in their products were put there deliberately to improve the usability of the products rather than as the result of poor security hygiene on the part of the developer. My advice is to not be afraid of this stuff. Sure, you have to be careful, but you can hardly do any worse a job than those hacks who are writing the software that runs the Internet ;-) I miss that guy. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Where is he now? I never had a chance to talk to him. :D andre On 2/19/08, J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Cragg wrote: I may just be nervous by nature, but I never put the engine in the cgi-bin folder. By my understanding, the http server will try to execute anything in the cgi-bin folder that has execute permissions set. My worry is whether the server can be coerced into passing parameters when it tries to run the engine. (There was a security problem in the past with the Perl executable on Windows due to this.) While I'm fairly confident Rev is immune from this, why take the risk? I think we can relax as long as we don't script anything stupid. Here are a couple of quotes from Scott Raney about it: With MetaCard your primary (and probably exclusive) risk would be in executing commands or evaluating expressions that come from untrusted sources. Any use of the do and send commands or the value function should be very diligently evaluated to make sure that there is no possibility of this occuring. Of course, you also have to be careful about where you write files, but it's a relatively simple matter to check a path for validity (e.g., don't allow a leading /, or the .., :, or ~ characters anywhere in a path). Which he follows with: I certainly wouldn't rule out building or using MetaCard server software, even for protocols for which well-known (if buggy) open source software is widely available. While I don't see any big advantage to writing an FTP server in MetaCard, an HTTP server that executes CGI scripts is a different matter entirely and an area where a MetaCard server could be safer and feature-competitive with any of the alternatives. snip I've got a soap box here too, and in *my* opinion, the ubiquity of buffer-overrun bugs in open source software rises to the level of criminal negligence. There is just no excuse for this kind of sloppy programming, yet not a week goes by that yet another example of this kind of thing isn't found in one of the commonly used open-source packages. I wouldn't blindly trust Microsoft software either, but at least the majority of the security holes in their products were put there deliberately to improve the usability of the products rather than as the result of poor security hygiene on the part of the developer. My advice is to not be afraid of this stuff. Sure, you have to be careful, but you can hardly do any worse a job than those hacks who are writing the software that runs the Internet ;-) I miss that guy. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Chipp Walters wrote: Well, I've decided to try out JaguarPC and the least expensive option. Is it? You and others here got me to take a look at DreamHost, and I've been very happy with them over the last year since I signed on. Here's the quick overview fromm what I can tell at each site: JaguarPC 17 GB web space 210 GB transfer/month Unlimited domains Bunch of free goodies (SQL, Ruby on Rails, forums, blogs, scripts...) $7.95/month (2-year prepay; options range up to $11.97) http://www.jaguarpc.com/ Dreamhost 500 GB web space (with 2GB added each week) 5,000 GB transfer/month (with 40GB added each week) Unlimited domains Bunch of free goodies (SQL, Ruby on Rails, forums, blogs, scripts...) $5.95/month (10-year prepay; other options range up to $9.95; I prepaid for just two years and paid $7.95/mo) http://www.dreamhost.com/ Did I miss some of the fine print somewhere? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Hi Richard, What I intended to say was: I've decided to try JaguarPC. I've chosen the least expensive plan they have. A previous email from Andre was mentioning a number of the different opitons, and I was just saying which plan I signed up for. Sorry for the confusion, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: You and others here got me to take a look at DreamHost, and I've been very happy with them over the last year since I signed on. I have both a Dreamhost and JaguarPC account. I am about to close out our JaguarPC accounts as their ftp upload max speed is around 125KB/ sec. I can saturate my pipe at 2 MB/Sec with DreamHost. Gotta love FIOS! Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Andre Garzia wrote: Where is he now? I never had a chance to talk to him. You would have liked each other, I think. I don't know where Mr. Raney is now. Last I heard he was sailing the Caribbean. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Chipp, I am also on JaguarPC, I have a host of Revolution Apps running there. I can help you setup your environment in case you need. It's pretty straight forward, the 2.9-dp-3 is running out of the box in there. cheers Andre On 2/18/08, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jacque, I'm looking at playing around some with RevCGI and saw where you suggested JagPC a couple of years ago. Do you still recommend them? Anyone else have any good recommendations and instruction setup tips? TIA, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Andre, So what do I do? Just go to their website, buy an account...then what? Sorry to act so stupid. -C On Feb 18, 2008 4:44 PM, Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chipp, I am also on JaguarPC, I have a host of Revolution Apps running there. I can help you setup your environment in case you need. It's pretty straight forward, the 2.9-dp-3 is running out of the box in there. cheers Andre On 2/18/08, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jacque, I'm looking at playing around some with RevCGI and saw where you suggested JagPC a couple of years ago. Do you still recommend them? Anyone else have any good recommendations and instruction setup tips? TIA, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Chipp, they have many hosting plans with different abilities, I've migrated three times, going to higher level plans everytime since they offer some nice discounts for upgrading. The first thing is to decide if you simply want a hosting account or a full blown virtual private server. Both are cheap, I have a VPS. The vps plans are here: http://www.jaguarpc.com/vps-hosting/ The hosting plans are here: http://www.jaguarpc.com/shared-hosting/ I'd avise to go with a VPS, they are more powerful and you have access to a full blown linux environment where you can install anything. One good thing is to keep an eye at their discount forum where they give time limited discount cupons, with one of those you ca have 50% more diskspace and other benefits for free. the discount thread is here http://www.jaguarpc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=100 So what you do is register for an account, they after some time, they send you an email with all the login info. You can access your files by FTP and you have SSH enabled so you can drop to the terminal to do hands on setup if you want. I've devised a nice way to setup Revolution for multiple hosts on the same linux which might be nice to use. I've been using it in many projects, it's easier since a central revolution repository is able to work for many virtual domains, this way, it's easier to maintain the server. Right now I have a Freedon VPS plan with some benefits such as 50% more disk and RAM and some reseller softwares that enable me to resell accounts on my box. I am not in the business of reselling yet but I use this features to create accounts for my clients. JaguarPC support works very well and I never stood more than some hours without an answer and a solution. Their ticket system works very well. If you have any doubts you can just drop an email :-D Cheers andre On 2/18/08, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andre, So what do I do? Just go to their website, buy an account...then what? Sorry to act so stupid. -C On Feb 18, 2008 4:44 PM, Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chipp, I am also on JaguarPC, I have a host of Revolution Apps running there. I can help you setup your environment in case you need. It's pretty straight forward, the 2.9-dp-3 is running out of the box in there. cheers Andre On 2/18/08, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jacque, I'm looking at playing around some with RevCGI and saw where you suggested JagPC a couple of years ago. Do you still recommend them? Anyone else have any good recommendations and instruction setup tips? TIA, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Chipp Walters wrote: Hi Jacque, I'm looking at playing around some with RevCGI and saw where you suggested JagPC a couple of years ago. Do you still recommend them? I still use them and I still recommend them. Andre has answered most of your questions, but I'll just add that I am on their basic, $10/month plan and even with that I can do most of what Andre is doing. I don't install my own Linux components but Jag is flexible enough that if you want something that won't disrupt their servers, they'll install just about anything for you. (You have your own cgi folder and they don't care what you put in there. I have several Rev CGIs running.) The basic plan offers plenty of diskspace for my needs; I haven't used a fraction of the diskspace or bandwidth that comes with the package. I believe all accounts have reseller priveleges, I think that comes with any package, though I don't use it. And yes, you just sign up and you're in. It's all automated so it doesn't take any time. And as Andre pointed out, their tech support is very good. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 2/18/08 5:41 PM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi this is what i use (unfortunately I'm stuck without being able to use db do to lack of knowledge) http://www.3ix.org/index.php Check it out http://www.syp2u4c.com/indecs.html Just hit the log in icon Works well and its cheap hershel Hi Jacque, I'm looking at playing around some with RevCGI and saw where you suggested JagPC a couple of years ago. Do you still recommend them? Anyone else have any good recommendations and instruction setup tips? TIA, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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The Rev archives had a thread on this topic a while back, and Dreamhost.com was another host that got favorable reviews. In my own case, this word-of-mouth, their rates, and the existence of archived messages specific to setting up CGI + Dreamhost were what convinced me. And, yes, it wasn't that painful to set up, except for MySQL, but, even that's working fine now (except for Japanese text!), thanks to the archives and particularly fellow Rev/Dreamhost user Bridger M. -- Nicolas Cueto ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Well, I've decided to try out JaguarPC and the least expensive option. So, exactly which version of the Rev engine do I install? I suppose it's a Linux one, and I suppose I put it in the cgi-bin folder. The latest one available from the RunRev site is 2-6.1, so do I just put the revolution.x86 file there? And what about licensing-- do I have to worry about that? Also, do I include all the .dlls like ssleay.dll or libeay32.dll? I can't find any of this in any of the tutorials. TIA, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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And some other questions...do I rename revolution.x86 to revolution.cgi? And if I try Jacque's helloworld script: #!revolution on startup put Content-Type: text/plain cr cr put Hello World! end startup and I name it hello.cgi how does it know to run with the revolution.cgi? So may questions... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I uploaded the engine and, for mysql work, the file dbmysql.so both to my cgi-bin folder, and set their permissions (CHMOD) to 755. Any scripts I make are also in that same cgi-bin folder and also set to 755, plus I make sure the name and case of the rev engine matches the name and case in the first line of a cgi script. And what about licensing-- do I have to worry about that? I don't know for sure but, RunRev is royalty-free for standalones so it seems safe to assume that licensing of the engine for cgi work too is royalty-free. By the way, besides the tutorials the archives too are a great help. To search them, I use google thus: http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com Cheers, Nicolas Cueto ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Thanks Nicolas, Yep, I see where the engine needs to be named revolution (no extension) and that the first line in the cgi script will call it. I'm using the Linux version of revolution on the server but I can't seem to get it to work. I wonder if there's some other setup which must be done. -Chipp PS, yes I know about Gmane and Google: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Search.htm ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I'm using the Linux version of revolution on the server but I can't seem to get it to work. I wonder if there's some other setup which must be done. Beside setting permissions, one other thing to beware of is the format you used for uploading the engine to cgi-bin. Maybe someone else can explain the correct format for ftp'ing files, but I seem to recall it was binary. Of course, the problem may be with the webhost itself. That's why I switched webhosts, when my rev-cgi stuff that used to work suddenly stopped. But, other Rev users here have posted that Jaguar PC works for them, so probably it should work for you too -- though, I've read that even within the same hosting company, the configuration of their individual servers can vary, and thus, what works for one Jaguar PC Revolutionary might not work for another Jaguar PC Revolutionary because they are on the different physical server machines. -- Nicolas Cueto ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Chipp Walters wrote: And some other questions...do I rename revolution.x86 to revolution.cgi? You can rename it to anything -- or not rename it at all -- but I'd avoid any extensions. The main thing is that the top line of your script exactly matches the name of the engine in the cgi folder. Since revolution.x86 is pretty long to type, I usually rename it rev and leave it at that. Then all my scripts start with #!rev. And if I try Jacque's helloworld script: #!revolution on startup put Content-Type: text/plain cr cr put Hello World! end startup and I name it hello.cgi how does it know to run with the revolution.cgi? So may questions... If your engine is named revolution.cgi and the top of your script calls revolution, the Rev engine won't be found. The server knows what app to run by reading the top line of the script and looking for a file with the same name in the CGI folder. Also, don't forget permissions. Your sever error log will tell you if that's a problem. You can access and read your server logs at JaguarPC from within your control panel. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Nicolas Cueto wrote: A couple of other newbie things to watch out for and which I still overlook: be sure to set the permissions (chmod) of revolution and your scripts to 755; and, type your scripts in a no-frills text editor, or else you'll have invisible end-of-line characters mysteriously gumming up your scripts. Good point. When running on a Linux box, all line endings in scripts should be unix line endings (LF). No Windows LFCR. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Thanks Jacque and Nicolas and Andre, Finally got it working. Turns out, even though the permissions showed 777, they were not. I had to set them a different way than right-clicking on them. After that, it worked fine. Thanks a bunch for all your helpnow off to create some CGI's :-) Couple of notes to others trying this same thing: 1) As Jacque correctly mentions above, the name of the rev execuable needs to be the same as the first line in the script...wasn't clear to me. So, the first line invokes the engine...plus...it has to be the #1 line, not number 2 or number 3...(which it was for me as I had simply copied and pasted Jacque's script...indents and all.) 2) The licensing issue for now is not one. I seem to remember an issue sometime before...perhaps it was with distributing the engine...? 3) Make sure you upload the correct engine for the correct server. 4) Never could get Andre's stack CGI-Tool to work. It finally made a connection, but that was it. I would suggest he consider adding a test connection button like I have in MagicCarpet which can help debug connection issues. Thanks again, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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And some other questions...do I rename revolution.x86 to revolution.cgi? Not revolution.cgi. Just, revolution. Because that's what the first line of your helloworld script calls it. how does it know to run with the revolution.cgi? The way I understand this mystery is that the first line of your script tells your webhost's server what cgi engine it is intended for. A couple of other newbie things to watch out for and which I still overlook: be sure to set the permissions (chmod) of revolution and your scripts to 755; and, type your scripts in a no-frills text editor, or else you'll have invisible end-of-line characters mysteriously gumming up your scripts. Cheers, Nicolas Cueto ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Chipp Walters wrote: Well, I've decided to try out JaguarPC and the least expensive option. So, exactly which version of the Rev engine do I install? I suppose it's a Linux one, and I suppose I put it in the cgi-bin folder. The latest one available from the RunRev site is 2-6.1, so do I just put the revolution.x86 file there? Yes. And what about licensing-- do I have to worry about that? No. Also, do I include all the .dlls like ssleay.dll or libeay32.dll? No, you don't need anything but the engine. I can't find any of this in any of the tutorials. http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/intro.html#Installing make a copy of your Revolution application and place it in the cgi folder on your server. If you are running Apache, this is most likely a folder called cgi or cgi-bin located in your main web directory. You do not need to install any additional stacks — only the Revolution executable is required. ;) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Chipp, Andre recommended them to us and we have switched. I like them a bunch. We host all of our GLX2 update files on there and run our Rev CGI's there as well. Best, Jerry Daniels Daniels Mara, Inc. Makers of GLX2 http://www.daniels-mara.com/glx2 On Feb 18, 2008, at 6:56 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Chipp Walters wrote: Hi Jacque, I'm looking at playing around some with RevCGI and saw where you suggested JagPC a couple of years ago. Do you still recommend them? I still use them and I still recommend them. Andre has answered most of your questions, but I'll just add that I am on their basic, $10/ month plan and even with that I can do most of what Andre is doing. I don't install my own Linux components but Jag is flexible enough that if you want something that won't disrupt their servers, they'll install just about anything for you. (You have your own cgi folder and they don't care what you put in there. I have several Rev CGIs running.) The basic plan offers plenty of diskspace for my needs; I haven't used a fraction of the diskspace or bandwidth that comes with the package. I believe all accounts have reseller priveleges, I think that comes with any package, though I don't use it. And yes, you just sign up and you're in. It's all automated so it doesn't take any time. And as Andre pointed out, their tech support is very good. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Hi Chipp Just had success using the 2.9.0-dp4 linux engine on my current webhost (www.asmallorange.com), who I have been using for a few years now. Previously only the 2.6 engine would work. The main file didn't work so I had to use the Standalone file from the Runtime/Linux/x86-32 folder. regards alex Chipp Walters wrote: Hi Jacque, I'm looking at playing around some with RevCGI and saw where you suggested JagPC a couple of years ago. Do you still recommend them? Anyone else have any good recommendations and instruction setup tips? TIA, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
