Rev Web Solutions?

2004-07-31 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi there,
I've been looking at all the information I can find thus far
about how to use Rev as a CGI web solution.  I'm finding
bits and pieces of stuff but nothing which really puts it
all together in a simple step by step process.
(I'm assuming that one doesn't exist at this point or I would
have found it.)
The idea is of course to use MySQL and Rev. as the CGI
along with Apache or some other webserver capable of
doing SSL transactions.  In other words, a rather serious
project.
I've looked at Andre Garzia's httpd stack server.  I found
the concept very interesting.  I'm not able to follow his
documentation real well without illustrations etc. I was
very impressed!  I doubt that it will do SSL however.
I looked at the REV CGI introduction, it is a little unclear
on the permissions thing for setting it up on OS X. It obviously
uses the command line terminal unix stuff to create the right
hooks etc.  This appears to work through Apache so that will
solve the SSL problem.  I obviously need some better more
in depth resource to explore this further.
I'm just now getting into the XML tutorial stack which at first
glance looks very good.
Has anyone out there done an extensive website using Rev
and MySQL with Apache?
Any other resources/examples you can recommend?
Thanks in advance,
Rick Harrison
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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-07-31 Thread Troy Rollins
On Jul 31, 2004, at 2:35 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:
The idea is of course to use MySQL and Rev. as the CGI
along with Apache or some other webserver capable of
doing SSL transactions.  In other words, a rather serious
project.
I've looked at Andre Garzia's httpd stack server.  I found
the concept very interesting.  I'm not able to follow his
documentation real well without illustrations etc. I was
very impressed!  I doubt that it will do SSL however.
Version 2.5, now in beta, has integrated SSL.
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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-07-31 Thread Björnke von Gierke
http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/
http://rodney.buzzword.com/discuss/msgReader$155
http://www.navaching.com/pagem.html
http://mitchellonline.pasco.k12.fl.us/training/metacardcgi.htm
On Jul 31 2004, at 20:35, Rick Harrison wrote:
Hi there,
I've been looking at all the information I can find thus far
about how to use Rev as a CGI web solution.  I'm finding
bits and pieces of stuff but nothing which really puts it
all together in a simple step by step process.
(I'm assuming that one doesn't exist at this point or I would
have found it.)
The idea is of course to use MySQL and Rev. as the CGI
along with Apache or some other webserver capable of
doing SSL transactions.  In other words, a rather serious
project.
I've looked at Andre Garzia's httpd stack server.  I found
the concept very interesting.  I'm not able to follow his
documentation real well without illustrations etc. I was
very impressed!  I doubt that it will do SSL however.
I looked at the REV CGI introduction, it is a little unclear
on the permissions thing for setting it up on OS X. It obviously
uses the command line terminal unix stuff to create the right
hooks etc.  This appears to work through Apache so that will
solve the SSL problem.  I obviously need some better more
in depth resource to explore this further.
I'm just now getting into the XML tutorial stack which at first
glance looks very good.
Has anyone out there done an extensive website using Rev
and MySQL with Apache?
Any other resources/examples you can recommend?
Thanks in advance,
Rick Harrison
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RE: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-07-31 Thread Dave LeYanna
How do you get a copy of the beta?

Dave 

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On Jul 31, 2004, at 2:35 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:

> The idea is of course to use MySQL and Rev. as the CGI along with 
> Apache or some other webserver capable of doing SSL transactions.  In 
> other words, a rather serious project.
>
> I've looked at Andre Garzia's httpd stack server.  I found the concept 
> very interesting.  I'm not able to follow his documentation real well 
> without illustrations etc. I was very impressed!  I doubt that it will 
> do SSL however.

Version 2.5, now in beta, has integrated SSL.
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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-07-31 Thread Björnke von Gierke
On Jul 31 2004, at 21:19, Dave LeYanna wrote:
How do you get a copy of the beta?
Dave
Hi Everyone,
I'm delighted to announce Revolution 2.5 Beta for Windows and Mac OS X.
Linux and Mac Classic will follow shortly.
By definition, a beta test release is a test version and may not be
reliable.  As such you should back up your work before using this 
version
and not use it with any sensitive projects.

Existing license keys will unlock this beta test version.
The URL for Windows:
http://www.runrev.com/downloads/distributions/2.5B1/revsetup.exe
Or without an installer:
http://www.runrev.com/downloads/distributions/2.5B1/revolution.zip
Mac OS X:
http://www.runrev.com/downloads/distributions/2.5B1/revolutionosx.dmg
An FAQ on the changes to Express can be found here:
http://www.runrev.com/express/expresstodreamcard.shtml
The testing of this version is being restricted to our existing 
customers so
please do not give these URLs out outside this list.

Please report any issues with this release directly on Bugzilla.
Enjoy!
Kind regards,
Kevin
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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-07-31 Thread Troy Rollins
On Jul 31, 2004, at 3:19 PM, Dave LeYanna wrote:
How do you get a copy of the beta?
At this stage, Beta 1 is a public beta. AFAIK, you can download it from 
the RunRev site. If you have a license key, I'm told that will activate 
the beta at your license level. My Enterprise level license does, so 
I'd assume the others do too.
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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-07-31 Thread Pierre Sahores
Hi,
About how to set up a Revolution applications server binded to  
PostgreSQL under Mac OS X or Linux, see



Le 31 juil. 04, à 20:42, Björnke von Gierke a écrit :
http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/
http://rodney.buzzword.com/discuss/msgReader$155
http://www.navaching.com/pagem.html
http://mitchellonline.pasco.k12.fl.us/training/metacardcgi.htm
On Jul 31 2004, at 20:35, Rick Harrison wrote:
Hi there,
I've been looking at all the information I can find thus far
about how to use Rev as a CGI web solution.  I'm finding
bits and pieces of stuff but nothing which really puts it
all together in a simple step by step process.
(I'm assuming that one doesn't exist at this point or I would
have found it.)
The idea is of course to use MySQL and Rev. as the CGI
along with Apache or some other webserver capable of
doing SSL transactions.  In other words, a rather serious
project.
I've looked at Andre Garzia's httpd stack server.  I found
the concept very interesting.  I'm not able to follow his
documentation real well without illustrations etc. I was
very impressed!  I doubt that it will do SSL however.
I looked at the REV CGI introduction, it is a little unclear
on the permissions thing for setting it up on OS X. It obviously
uses the command line terminal unix stuff to create the right
hooks etc.  This appears to work through Apache so that will
solve the SSL problem.  I obviously need some better more
in depth resource to explore this further.
I'm just now getting into the XML tutorial stack which at first
glance looks very good.
Has anyone out there done an extensive website using Rev
and MySQL with Apache?
Any other resources/examples you can recommend?
Thanks in advance,
Rick Harrison
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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-07-31 Thread Andre Garzia
Rick,
Hi let's make a little road map for you! Your options for Rev-based CGI 
are three. I'll discuss each one of them.

Option A - "G, Real Programmers don't use libraries!" (aka: Do It 
Yourself From The Scratch!)

To do that in a sane way is good to use Apache as your webserver and 
you can use MySQL as your RDBMS of choice. You should check the CGI 
tutorial for info on that (I saw you checked.), you said about perms 
been unclear on MacOS X for you. Permissions are unix based, so it's 
the same thing in MacOS X, is like that, you have three categories: 
"owner of the file", "users in the same group", "the rest of the 
world", you set permissions for each of this categories in a file 
telling the OS how to behave. The usefull part is that your CGI files 
must have permission to be executed and to create files and folders, so 
you set the CGI file to 755 (that's the code for that) and the folder 
it will be writing files to 777. All the information from apache will 
be inside enviroment vars like $QUERY_STRING (or something like that) 
It's just that. This is the hardest way, and there's no much to tell 
about it, I do not recommend it.

Option B - "Use the Library Luke!" (aka LibCGI)
Monte and Rodney put togheter a nice library called LibCGI 
(http://rodney.weblogs.com/libcgi). It can help yourlife, really. This 
lib will take care of everything, it has primitives for acquiring data 
from web space and sending data back to the web, you fetch data from a 
simple array gRequestDataA, I think... and use LibCGI_response() to 
send data, very simple! The examples are good and there's some simple 
info at the page. What users usually complain is about the procedures 
for installing the library on an apache system. That part I solved for 
you. I made a simple palette called CGI-Tool (fetch from 
http://public.soapdog.org) that is able to install and setup LibCGI and 
the Metacard/Revolution engine on a remote FTP server. It also can 
server as a "distribution builder" for your cgi, like from inside Rev 
IDE click a button and your stack is there on the server ready for use. 
If you are doing commercial work, I advise to stay with LibCGI for 
apache is very rock solid, the Rev engine is a little memory hungry but 
nothing harmfull.

Option C - "But Mom, I'd like to stay in rev space, I am afraid to use 
outside tools..." (aka revHTTPd, or ServerWorkz but the final name is 
now libWebServices)

I created a server and you saw the old documentation. Man you should 
really see what I am up too... everything changed, it's now on 
steroids. Since I can now do more protocols than simple HTTP, I decided 
to rename the whole collection of things libWebServices. LibWebServices 
is a little button. It fits inside the backscripts and gives this 
features for your app: HTTP and XML-RPC. Any handler can be accessed as 
if they were an URL (for example 
http://my.home.machine/myStack/myCard/myButton/mouseUp) also we can 
match web forms to cards with text fields this makes easy to make CGIs 
and we have tons of features for remote method invocation and data 
transports but Apache still THE SERVER! my server should not be used 
for commercial purposes yet, I am finishing a complete rewrite and I 
will open the source to investigation so that people can look for bugs, 
there are better programmers here, I hope they take a look. The two 
biggest advantadges are: it's self contained, your app is your server 
and CGI, you can have as many CGIs running as you want in a single app, 
you can copy it to a CD and run it on another computer... try that with 
apache. Second the server and cgi engine are always on so we got 
persistence of state, when you use apache every time a CGI launches, it 
launches rev engine, run the thing, stop the engine, so it's like that 
movie memento, your cgi never remember where it is, it must re-read 
it's state from files/cookies/whatever and also launching takes some 
time. The libWebServer is always on so if you set a variable to 
something (supposing it's not a local var or a var of the ephemeral 
kind) it stays that way, you can set a global to something and fetch it 
anywhere anytime, thats good and evil for you must remember to zero 
your vars when needed. I can give any info on this project, just ask, 
I'll try to leave the new experimental server running tonight and will 
announce here.


I am making heavy use of cgi, apache, mysql, custom servers and 
everything... it works, but sometimes it's just better to use LAMP 
(linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP) on the server side and create the client 
with Rev...

Tell us about your project (if it's not secret) we can argue among 
ourselves in the list eachone trying to convince you that our side is 
right  :D

Cheers
andre
On Jul 31, 2004, at 3:35 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:
Hi there,
I've been looking at all the information I can find thus far
about how to use Rev as a CGI web solution.  I'm finding
bits and pieces of stuff but nothing which really

Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-08-01 Thread Rick Harrison
On Jul 31, 2004, at 2:42 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:
Version 2.5, now in beta, has integrated SSL.
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Troy,
This is very cool news!
Do we have any expected release date on this?
Thanks,
Rick
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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-08-01 Thread Rick Harrison
On Jul 31, 2004, at 2:42 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:
http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/
http://rodney.buzzword.com/discuss/msgReader$155
http://www.navaching.com/pagem.html
http://mitchellonline.pasco.k12.fl.us/training/metacardcgi.htm
On Jul 31 2004, at 20:35, Rick Harrison wrote:
Hi there,
I've been looking at all the information I can find thus far
about how to use Rev as a CGI web solution.
Björnke,
Thanks for the URL links!   They are all good resources.
I looked at them briefly yesterday.  I'm hoping to spend
more time today reading through the information.
I can see I have a lot more to digest and chew on for awhile.
Thanks!
Rick
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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-08-01 Thread Rick Harrison
On Jul 31, 2004, at 4:56 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Hi,
About how to set up a Revolution applications server binded to  
PostgreSQL under Mac OS X or Linux, see




Pierre,
Thanks, I'll check it out!
Rick
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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-08-01 Thread Rick Harrison
Andre,
I really, really appreciate your response.
It's going to take me a little time to get up to speed on the 
information.

How is  libWebServices going to work with the Secure Socket Layer
which I hear will be included with Revolution 2.5?
Have you done any load testing (several users at once) accessing
websites written with libWebServices?
It sounds like an excellent solution, but I'm a little nervous with it
being so new - probably because I don't fully understand it yet.
How do I contact you off list?
Thanks again!
Rick
On Jul 31, 2004, at 7:50 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
Rick,
Hi let's make a little road map for you! Your options for Rev-based 
CGI are three. I'll discuss each one of them.

Option A - "G, Real Programmers don't use libraries!" (aka: Do It 
Yourself From The Scratch!)

To do that in a sane way is good to use Apache as your webserver and 
you can use MySQL as your RDBMS of choice. You should check the CGI 
tutorial for info on that (I saw you checked.), you said about perms 
been unclear on MacOS X for you. Permissions are unix based, so it's 
the same thing in MacOS X, is like that, you have three categories: 
"owner of the file", "users in the same group", "the rest of the 
world", you set permissions for each of this categories in a file 
telling the OS how to behave. The usefull part is that your CGI files 
must have permission to be executed and to create files and folders, 
so you set the CGI file to 755 (that's the code for that) and the 
folder it will be writing files to 777. All the information from 
apache will be inside enviroment vars like $QUERY_STRING (or something 
like that) It's just that. This is the hardest way, and there's no 
much to tell about it, I do not recommend it.

Option B - "Use the Library Luke!" (aka LibCGI)
Monte and Rodney put togheter a nice library called LibCGI 
(http://rodney.weblogs.com/libcgi). It can help yourlife, really. This 
lib will take care of everything, it has primitives for acquiring data 
from web space and sending data back to the web, you fetch data from a 
simple array gRequestDataA, I think... and use LibCGI_response() to 
send data, very simple! The examples are good and there's some simple 
info at the page. What users usually complain is about the procedures 
for installing the library on an apache system. That part I solved for 
you. I made a simple palette called CGI-Tool (fetch from 
http://public.soapdog.org) that is able to install and setup LibCGI 
and the Metacard/Revolution engine on a remote FTP server. It also can 
server as a "distribution builder" for your cgi, like from inside Rev 
IDE click a button and your stack is there on the server ready for 
use. If you are doing commercial work, I advise to stay with LibCGI 
for apache is very rock solid, the Rev engine is a little memory 
hungry but nothing harmfull.

Option C - "But Mom, I'd like to stay in rev space, I am afraid to use 
outside tools..." (aka revHTTPd, or ServerWorkz but the final name is 
now libWebServices)

I created a server and you saw the old documentation. Man you should 
really see what I am up too... everything changed, it's now on 
steroids. Since I can now do more protocols than simple HTTP, I 
decided to rename the whole collection of things libWebServices. 
LibWebServices is a little button. It fits inside the backscripts and 
gives this features for your app: HTTP and XML-RPC. Any handler can be 
accessed as if they were an URL (for example 
http://my.home.machine/myStack/myCard/myButton/mouseUp) also we can 
match web forms to cards with text fields this makes easy to make CGIs 
and we have tons of features for remote method invocation and data 
transports but Apache still THE SERVER! my server should not be used 
for commercial purposes yet, I am finishing a complete rewrite and I 
will open the source to investigation so that people can look for 
bugs, there are better programmers here, I hope they take a look. The 
two biggest advantadges are: it's self contained, your app is your 
server and CGI, you can have as many CGIs running as you want in a 
single app, you can copy it to a CD and run it on another computer... 
try that with apache. Second the server and cgi engine are always on 
so we got persistence of state, when you use apache every time a CGI 
launches, it launches rev engine, run the thing, stop the engine, so 
it's like that movie memento, your cgi never remember where it is, it 
must re-read it's state from files/cookies/whatever and also launching 
takes some time. The libWebServer is always on so if you set a 
variable to something (supposing it's not a local var or a var of the 
ephemeral kind) it stays that way, you can set a global to something 
and fetch it anywhere anytime, thats good and evil for you must 
remember to zero your vars when needed. I can give any info on this 
project, just ask, I'll try to leave the new experimental server 
running tonight and will announce here.


I am making heavy use of cgi, a

Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-08-01 Thread Andre Garzia
On Aug 1, 2004, at 12:24 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:
How is  libWebServices going to work with the Secure Socket Layer
which I hear will be included with Revolution 2.5?

Rick,
I have the 2.5 beta here and I am yet to find info on listening to a 
secured socket, don't know if this is possible yet...

about stress testing, well, I thought that I could handle only one 
request at a time, I really thought of that, then at the RMS Trevor 
showed me that in fact I could handle more then one request, without 
changing the code, I thought then: "humm.. that's why I never suffered 
a Denial of Service while testing on the list" so... I really don't 
know about how many connections it can handle, but if you're thinking 
about using it in a heavy traffic website, I would urge you to go 
Apache! libWebServices does not fully comply with HTTP 1.1, for example 
no chunked-connections are allowed (I didn't implemented it yet)

libWebService is targeted not to websites, but to webagents and 
net-savvy apps. It's targeted in making apps that can act as both 
client and server depending on the hole they must take. It's aimed at 
small intranets, search bots, data aggregators and the like... I don't 
expect someone to run an amazon-like service with it... but a small 
very specialized book store could be possible eheheh :D

The best way for you to work now, is to setup a sandbox for you to 
play, setup Rev on a web host and play with CGI... by using it you'll 
fell what you need, you might even end up writing your own lib... :D

Cheers
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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-08-01 Thread Troy Rollins
On Aug 1, 2004, at 11:52 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
I have the 2.5 beta here and I am yet to find info on listening to a 
secured socket, don't know if this is possible yet...
From the readme.txt in 2.5b1 -
* Support for SSL
* SSL is an add on pack in Studio and is included with Enterprise
* Includes industrial strength encryption functions
So, it will be there, but only if you really need it (and are willing 
to pay for it.  ;-)
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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-08-01 Thread Rick Harrison
On Aug 1, 2004, at 11:52 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

The best way for you to work now, is to setup a sandbox for you to 
play, setup Rev on a web host and play with CGI... by using it you'll 
fell what you need, you might even end up writing your own lib... :D

Cheers
andre

Andre,
Thanks, I'll get back to my sandbox now.  ;-)
Rick

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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-08-01 Thread Jan Schenkel
--- Troy Rollins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On Aug 1, 2004, at 11:52 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> 
> > I have the 2.5 beta here and I am yet to find info
> on listening to a 
> > secured socket, don't know if this is possible
> yet...
> 
>  From the readme.txt in 2.5b1 -
> 
> * Support for SSL
>   * SSL is an add on pack in Studio and is included
> with Enterprise
>  * Includes industrial strength encryption
> functions
> 
> So, it will be there, but only if you really need it
> (and are willing 
> to pay for it.  ;-)
> --
> Troy
> 

Actually, only client-side SSL (open secure socket) is
available in Revolution 2.5 ; server-side SSL (accept
secure connections) will be available in one of the
future revisions.

Jan Schenkel.

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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-08-01 Thread Troy Rollins
On Aug 1, 2004, at 12:54 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
Actually, only client-side SSL (open secure socket) is
available in Revolution 2.5 ; server-side SSL (accept
secure connections) will be available in one of the
future revisions.
Thanks for that clarification. I hadn't really been thinking too deeply 
about the server implications. Just excited to have client-side 
functionality.
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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-08-01 Thread Andre Garzia
On Aug 1, 2004, at 1:54 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
Actually, only client-side SSL (open secure socket) is
available in Revolution 2.5 ; server-side SSL (accept
secure connections) will be available in one of the
future revisions.
Jan,
that sounded like music... I was dreading the day I would listen to 
someone saying: "no, we'll just implement client side, you can do 
server side SSL on your own. Good luck boy, may God be with you...".

Cheers
andre
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RE: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-08-01 Thread Mike Doub
I just thought that I would chime in a positive note about Andre Garzia's work.  I am 
using Andre's httpd and have created a web site that goes off and queries a SQL Server 
database thru ODBC and renders the data back in a format optimized for handheld 
devices (ie my blackberry)  I have not had any problems at all, but it is not a 
terrible high traffic site.  I have a variety of people accessing my site and no one 
has mentioned any denial of service issues.

I am looking forward to the next release of Andre's code to see how it has evolved.  
My next step is to add forms capability and make my queries to the database more 
dynamic.

I want that thank Andre for making this available, it was a big help and allowed me to 
solve a real problem I was having.

-= Mike


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To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Rev Web Solutions?


On Aug 1, 2004, at 12:24 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:

>
> How is  libWebServices going to work with the Secure Socket Layer
> which I hear will be included with Revolution 2.5?
>
>

Rick,

I have the 2.5 beta here and I am yet to find info on listening to a 
secured socket, don't know if this is possible yet...

about stress testing, well, I thought that I could handle only one 
request at a time, I really thought of that, then at the RMS Trevor 
showed me that in fact I could handle more then one request, without 
changing the code, I thought then: "humm.. that's why I never suffered 
a Denial of Service while testing on the list" so... I really don't 
know about how many connections it can handle, but if you're thinking 
about using it in a heavy traffic website, I would urge you to go 
Apache! libWebServices does not fully comply with HTTP 1.1, for example 
no chunked-connections are allowed (I didn't implemented it yet)

libWebService is targeted not to websites, but to webagents and 
net-savvy apps. It's targeted in making apps that can act as both 
client and server depending on the hole they must take. It's aimed at 
small intranets, search bots, data aggregators and the like... I don't 
expect someone to run an amazon-like service with it... but a small 
very specialized book store could be possible eheheh :D

The best way for you to work now, is to setup a sandbox for you to 
play, setup Rev on a web host and play with CGI... by using it you'll 
fell what you need, you might even end up writing your own lib... :D

Cheers
andre


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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-08-01 Thread Hershel Fisch
On Saturday, July 31, 2004, at 04:56 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Hi,
About how to set up a Revolution applications server binded to  
PostgreSQL under Mac OS X or Linux, see
B1 on Mac os X , doesn't work with postgres.


Le 31 juil. 04, à 20:42, Björnke von Gierke a écrit :
http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/
http://rodney.buzzword.com/discuss/msgReader$155
http://www.navaching.com/pagem.html
http://mitchellonline.pasco.k12.fl.us/training/metacardcgi.htm
On Jul 31 2004, at 20:35, Rick Harrison wrote:
Hi there,
I've been looking at all the information I can find thus far
about how to use Rev as a CGI web solution.  I'm finding
bits and pieces of stuff but nothing which really puts it
all together in a simple step by step process.
(I'm assuming that one doesn't exist at this point or I would
have found it.)
The idea is of course to use MySQL and Rev. as the CGI
along with Apache or some other webserver capable of
doing SSL transactions.  In other words, a rather serious
project.
I've looked at Andre Garzia's httpd stack server.  I found
the concept very interesting.  I'm not able to follow his
documentation real well without illustrations etc. I was
very impressed!  I doubt that it will do SSL however.
I looked at the REV CGI introduction, it is a little unclear
on the permissions thing for setting it up on OS X. It obviously
uses the command line terminal unix stuff to create the right
hooks etc.  This appears to work through Apache so that will
solve the SSL problem.  I obviously need some better more
in depth resource to explore this further.
I'm just now getting into the XML tutorial stack which at first
glance looks very good.
Has anyone out there done an extensive website using Rev
and MySQL with Apache?
Any other resources/examples you can recommend?
Thanks in advance,
Rick Harrison
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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-08-01 Thread Pierre Sahores
Le 1 août 04, à 23:32, Hershel Fisch a écrit :
On Saturday, July 31, 2004, at 04:56 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Hi,
About how to set up a Revolution applications server binded to  
PostgreSQL under Mac OS X or Linux, see
B1 on Mac os X , doesn't work with postgres.
Take care about the fact that the way i expose don't use the RevDB lib  
but direct shell() calls to the psql PostgreSQL's server-side  
connector. Works fine in production, under Metacard 2.32 / 2.5 and  
Revolution 2.0 / 2.12 under both Linux x86 and Mac OS X 10.1 and UP.  
Not tested, for yet under Rev 2.2 and UP.



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http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/
http://rodney.buzzword.com/discuss/msgReader$155
http://www.navaching.com/pagem.html
http://mitchellonline.pasco.k12.fl.us/training/metacardcgi.htm
On Jul 31 2004, at 20:35, Rick Harrison wrote:
Hi there,
I've been looking at all the information I can find thus far
about how to use Rev as a CGI web solution.  I'm finding
bits and pieces of stuff but nothing which really puts it
all together in a simple step by step process.
(I'm assuming that one doesn't exist at this point or I would
have found it.)
The idea is of course to use MySQL and Rev. as the CGI
along with Apache or some other webserver capable of
doing SSL transactions.  In other words, a rather serious
project.
I've looked at Andre Garzia's httpd stack server.  I found
the concept very interesting.  I'm not able to follow his
documentation real well without illustrations etc. I was
very impressed!  I doubt that it will do SSL however.
I looked at the REV CGI introduction, it is a little unclear
on the permissions thing for setting it up on OS X. It obviously
uses the command line terminal unix stuff to create the right
hooks etc.  This appears to work through Apache so that will
solve the SSL problem.  I obviously need some better more
in depth resource to explore this further.
I'm just now getting into the XML tutorial stack which at first
glance looks very good.
Has anyone out there done an extensive website using Rev
and MySQL with Apache?
Any other resources/examples you can recommend?
Thanks in advance,
Rick Harrison
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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-08-01 Thread Hershel Fisch
On Sunday, August 1, 2004, at 07:45 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Le 1 août 04, à 23:32, Hershel Fisch a écrit :
On Saturday, July 31, 2004, at 04:56 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Hi,
About how to set up a Revolution applications server binded to  
PostgreSQL under Mac OS X or Linux, see
B1 on Mac os X , doesn't work with postgres.
Take care about the fact that the way i expose don't use the RevDB lib  
but direct shell() calls to the psql PostgreSQL's server-side  
connector.
Now technical what is the difference between the two methods ?
 Works fine in production, under Metacard 2.32 / 2.5 and Revolution  
2.0 / 2.12 under both Linux x86 and Mac OS X 10.1 and UP. Not tested,  
for yet under Rev 2.2 and UP.



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http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/
http://rodney.buzzword.com/discuss/msgReader$155
http://www.navaching.com/pagem.html
http://mitchellonline.pasco.k12.fl.us/training/metacardcgi.htm
On Jul 31 2004, at 20:35, Rick Harrison wrote:
Hi there,
I've been looking at all the information I can find thus far
about how to use Rev as a CGI web solution.  I'm finding
bits and pieces of stuff but nothing which really puts it
all together in a simple step by step process.
(I'm assuming that one doesn't exist at this point or I would
have found it.)
The idea is of course to use MySQL and Rev. as the CGI
along with Apache or some other webserver capable of
doing SSL transactions.  In other words, a rather serious
project.
I've looked at Andre Garzia's httpd stack server.  I found
the concept very interesting.  I'm not able to follow his
documentation real well without illustrations etc. I was
very impressed!  I doubt that it will do SSL however.
I looked at the REV CGI introduction, it is a little unclear
on the permissions thing for setting it up on OS X. It obviously
uses the command line terminal unix stuff to create the right
hooks etc.  This appears to work through Apache so that will
solve the SSL problem.  I obviously need some better more
in depth resource to explore this further.
I'm just now getting into the XML tutorial stack which at first
glance looks very good.
Has anyone out there done an extensive website using Rev
and MySQL with Apache?
Any other resources/examples you can recommend?
Thanks in advance,
Rick Harrison
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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-08-02 Thread Pierre Sahores
Le 2 août 04, à 06:24, Hershel Fisch a écrit :
On Sunday, August 1, 2004, at 07:45 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Le 1 août 04, à 23:32, Hershel Fisch a écrit :
On Saturday, July 31, 2004, at 04:56 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Hi,
About how to set up a Revolution applications server binded to  
PostgreSQL under Mac OS X or Linux, see
B1 on Mac os X , doesn't work with postgres.
Take care about the fact that the way i expose don't use the RevDB  
lib but direct shell() calls to the psql PostgreSQL's server-side  
connector.
Now technical what is the difference between the two methods ?
1.- worked fine years before the introduction of the RevDB lib
2.- those MC/Rev applications servers are only doing what they are  
doing the best : working on the data presentation layer, in beetwin the  
Web server (one side) and (second side) the shell() + psql connector to  
the ACID compliant PostgreSQL RDBMS.
3.- works fine and very fast in all situations, including  
administration tasks alike new databases and tables creations or  
automatic "pg_dump" (backups) operations without stopping the  
production statu of the PostgreSQL server.
4.- least but not least : i didn't, at this time, got enought time to  
test RevDB and see if it's mature in about handling critical production  
tasks (over 400 connections/secs, 75% write mode transactions).

 Works fine in production, under Metacard 2.32 / 2.5 and Revolution  
2.0 / 2.12 under both Linux x86 and Mac OS X 10.1 and UP. Not tested,  
for yet under Rev 2.2 and UP.



Le 31 juil. 04, à 20:42, Björnke von Gierke a écrit :
http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/
http://rodney.buzzword.com/discuss/msgReader$155
http://www.navaching.com/pagem.html
http://mitchellonline.pasco.k12.fl.us/training/metacardcgi.htm
On Jul 31 2004, at 20:35, Rick Harrison wrote:
Hi there,
I've been looking at all the information I can find thus far
about how to use Rev as a CGI web solution.  I'm finding
bits and pieces of stuff but nothing which really puts it
all together in a simple step by step process.
(I'm assuming that one doesn't exist at this point or I would
have found it.)
The idea is of course to use MySQL and Rev. as the CGI
along with Apache or some other webserver capable of
doing SSL transactions.  In other words, a rather serious
project.
I've looked at Andre Garzia's httpd stack server.  I found
the concept very interesting.  I'm not able to follow his
documentation real well without illustrations etc. I was
very impressed!  I doubt that it will do SSL however.
I looked at the REV CGI introduction, it is a little unclear
on the permissions thing for setting it up on OS X. It obviously
uses the command line terminal unix stuff to create the right
hooks etc.  This appears to work through Apache so that will
solve the SSL problem.  I obviously need some better more
in depth resource to explore this further.
I'm just now getting into the XML tutorial stack which at first
glance looks very good.
Has anyone out there done an extensive website using Rev
and MySQL with Apache?
Any other resources/examples you can recommend?
Thanks in advance,
Rick Harrison
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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-08-02 Thread Hershel Fisch
On Monday, August 2, 2004, at 06:18 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Le 2 août 04, à 06:24, Hershel Fisch a écrit :
On Sunday, August 1, 2004, at 07:45 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Le 1 août 04, à 23:32, Hershel Fisch a écrit :
On Saturday, July 31, 2004, at 04:56 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Hi,
Take care about the fact that the way i expose don't use the RevDB 
lib but direct shell() calls to the psql PostgreSQL's server-side 
connector.
Now technical what is the difference between the two methods ?
1.- worked fine years before the introduction of the RevDB lib
2.- those MC/Rev applications servers are only doing what they are 
doing the best : working on the data presentation layer, in beetwin 
the Web server (one side) and (second side) the shell() + psql 
connector to the ACID compliant PostgreSQL RDBMS.
3.- works fine and very fast in all situations, including 
administration tasks alike new databases and tables creations or 
automatic "pg_dump" (backups) operations without stopping the 
production statu of the PostgreSQL server.
4.- least but not least : i didn't, at this time, got enought time to 
test RevDB and see if it's mature in about handling critical 
production tasks (over 400 connections/secs, 75% write mode 
transactions).
Well the the db library in my opinion is good and fast , I do all kind 
of SQL work without any problems. but I'd still like to try out and see 
how to work with shell() for other things as you mentioned above for 
maintenance purposes . The question, where I can get some education on 
that .
Thanks, Hershel
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Re: Rev Web Solutions?

2004-08-03 Thread Pierre Sahores
Le 2 août 04, à 18:56, Hershel Fisch a écrit :
On Monday, August 2, 2004, at 06:18 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Le 2 août 04, à 06:24, Hershel Fisch a écrit :
On Sunday, August 1, 2004, at 07:45 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Le 1 août 04, à 23:32, Hershel Fisch a écrit :
On Saturday, July 31, 2004, at 04:56 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Hi,
Take care about the fact that the way i expose don't use the RevDB  
lib but direct shell() calls to the psql PostgreSQL's server-side  
connector.
Now technical what is the difference between the two methods ?
1.- worked fine years before the introduction of the RevDB lib
2.- those MC/Rev applications servers are only doing what they are  
doing the best : working on the data presentation layer, in beetwin  
the Web server (one side) and (second side) the shell() + psql  
connector to the ACID compliant PostgreSQL RDBMS.
3.- works fine and very fast in all situations, including  
administration tasks alike new databases and tables creations or  
automatic "pg_dump" (backups) operations without stopping the  
production statu of the PostgreSQL server.
4.- least but not least : i didn't, at this time, got enought time to  
test RevDB and see if it's mature in about handling critical  
production tasks (over 400 connections/secs, 75% write mode  
transactions).
Well the the db library in my opinion is good and fast , I do all kind  
of SQL work without any problems.
That's a good news reminding me that i will have to test and learn how  
to use it as soon as possible ;)

but I'd still like to try out and see how to work with shell() for  
other things as you mentioned above for maintenance purposes . The  
question, where I can get some education on that .
About general PostgreSQL + Metacard/Revolution posts :

About handling a PostgreSQL back-end from Revolution in CGI mode :

About handling a PostgreSQL back-end from Revolution set up as a  
web/eai applications server :


The main site for PosrgreSQL stuffs, news, events :  

Cool PostgreSQL news : 
About PostgreSQL specifics to the MacOSX platform :   


Best, Pierre
Thanks, Hershel
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Shell was( Rev Web Solutions?)

2004-08-15 Thread Hershel Fisch
On Tuesday, August 3, 2004, at 04:00 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
but I'd still like to try out and see how to work with shell() for  
other things as you mentioned above for maintenance purposes . The  
question, where I can get some education on that .
About general PostgreSQL + Metacard/Revolution posts :

About handling a PostgreSQL back-end from Revolution in CGI mode :

About handling a PostgreSQL back-end from Revolution set up as a  
web/eai applications server :

I looked over these links but didn't get anywhere. I need to know how  
to access the first postgres db command and I'll try to get on from  
there.
I tryed to put just a simple command " put  shell(" cd -")" or "shell  
("ls ..") and got an error Script: missing '"' after literal or command  
not found.
Thanks , Hershel
Best, Pierre
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Re: Shell was( Rev Web Solutions?)

2004-08-15 Thread Pierre Sahores
Hi Hershel,
On witch platform are you planning to develop your app ? I can provide  
you Linux and MacOS X example apps you could use as starter point.

Best, Pierre
Le 16 août 04, à 05:24, Hershel Fisch a écrit :
On Tuesday, August 3, 2004, at 04:00 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
but I'd still like to try out and see how to work with shell() for  
other things as you mentioned above for maintenance purposes . The  
question, where I can get some education on that .
About general PostgreSQL + Metacard/Revolution posts :

About handling a PostgreSQL back-end from Revolution in CGI mode :

About handling a PostgreSQL back-end from Revolution set up as a  
web/eai applications server :

I looked over these links but didn't get anywhere. I need to know how  
to access the first postgres db command and I'll try to get on from  
there.
I tryed to put just a simple command " put  shell(" cd -")" or "shell  
("ls ..") and got an error Script: missing '"' after literal or  
command not found.
Thanks , Hershel
Best, Pierre
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Re: Shell was( Rev Web Solutions?)

2004-08-16 Thread Hershel Fisch
On Monday, August 16, 2004, at 01:19 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Hi Hershel,
On witch platform are you planning to develop your app ? I can provide 
you Linux and MacOS X example apps you could use as starter point.
Mac os x.
Thanks, Hershel
Best, Pierre
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Re: Shell was( Rev Web Solutions?)

2004-08-16 Thread Hershel Fisch
On Monday, August 16, 2004, at 01:19 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Hi Hershel,
On witch platform are you planning to develop your app ? I can provide  
you Linux and MacOS X example apps you could use as starter point.
I'd appreciate that , Mac OSX
Hershel
Best, Pierre
Le 16 août 04, à 05:24, Hershel Fisch a écrit :
On Tuesday, August 3, 2004, at 04:00 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
but I'd still like to try out and see how to work with shell() for  
other things as you mentioned above for maintenance purposes . The  
question, where I can get some education on that .
About general PostgreSQL + Metacard/Revolution posts :

About handling a PostgreSQL back-end from Revolution in CGI mode :

About handling a PostgreSQL back-end from Revolution set up as a  
web/eai applications server :

I looked over these links but didn't get anywhere. I need to know how  
to access the first postgres db command and I'll try to get on from  
there.
I tryed to put just a simple command " put  shell(" cd -")" or "shell  
("ls ..") and got an error Script: missing '"' after literal or  
command not found.
Thanks , Hershel
Best, Pierre
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