Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
--> "My right hand is cramping up just visualizing it." Oops, forgot to mention, the idea of navigating a cascading menu with only one hand on a trackpad makes my hand cramp up just thinking about it, too. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
On 7/24/06, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 1. Use the index finger to move the pointer, the thumb to press the trackpad button, and the left hand to press modifier keys (if they need one). The side of the thumb falls naturally over the button when your index finger is moving over the trackpad. 2. Turn on the clickable trackpad, and use the index finger to move the pointer and to click, drag, and double-click. As a major trackpad user on PC, I respectively disagree. The problem with the one-hand approach is that when pressing down on the button with the same hand, the other fingers tend to 'wander' and thus create a more difficult targeting problem. Especially when working with small targets, this becomes frustrating quickly. For me, the ambiguity of 'what is a tab-click' vs 'just moving around' on the trackpad makes #2 above also problematic as well. To each his/her own. :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
At 3:18 AM -0500 7/23/2006, Chipp Walters wrote: Ctrl-click on a trackpad requires two fingers, one to press the control-key, the other to hold-down the mouseKey at the bottom of the trackpad, meanwhile the other hand works moving the cursor over the trackpad to choose the correct menu item. I suppose for young large hands, it would work just fine, but my fingers would get tired awful fast trying to contort regularly that way. We're wandering way off topic here, but most people who use a trackpad do one of these, to my observation: 1. Use the index finger to move the pointer, the thumb to press the trackpad button, and the left hand to press modifier keys (if they need one). The side of the thumb falls naturally over the button when your index finger is moving over the trackpad. 2. Turn on the clickable trackpad, and use the index finger to move the pointer and to click, drag, and double-click. Using both hands just for ordinary clicking - one to move the pointer and the other to press the trackpad button - seems extremely difficult to me, and it wouldn't surprise me if someone who tried to use a trackpad that way gave up on it altogether and fled to the mouse in disgust. My right hand is cramping up just visualizing it. ;-) You might, probably would, find one of the above methods easier. (I myself use SideTrack and have the trackpad configured for clickability, and the trackpad button configured for control-click, which means I use only index finger and thumb. The corner I use the least is configured for command-click [which my browser uses for "open this link in a new tab", so I need it a lot].) -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jaedworks.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Of Mac Right Clicks (was Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application")
On 24/7/06 06:31, Bill Vlahos wrote: I know the feature in on a MacBook Pro but I think it should be on AlBooks too. In the "Keyboard & Mouse" System Preference, click the "Trackpad" tab. Check the box labeled, "Place two fingers on trackpad and click button for secondary click." If you don't see that option then you are either at something earlier than 10.4.7 or the Mac doesn't support it. I guess that would be the latter then - my control panel offers an option to click by trackpad gestures, but not the two-finger for secondary click option. Ah, well... Thanks anyway for your replies. Ben Rubinstein | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cognitive Applications Ltd | Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600 http://www.cogapp.com| Fax : +44 (0)1273-728866 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Of Mac Right Clicks (was Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application")
Ben, I know the feature in on a MacBook Pro but I think it should be on AlBooks too. In the "Keyboard & Mouse" System Preference, click the "Trackpad" tab. Check the box labeled, "Place two fingers on trackpad and click button for secondary click." If you don't see that option then you are either at something earlier than 10.4.7 or the Mac doesn't support it. Bill Vlahos On Jul 23, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: On 23/7/06 23:26, Bill Vlahos wrote: There is a new feature in Mac OS X 10.4.7. Put 2 fingers on the trackpad and click the button for a right click. Its a brilliant way to overcome what I considered a shortcoming of a one button laptop. In fact, I like it better than having two buttons. Billl, can you tell me more? The loss of the right button is what I hate most about using my PB on airplanes - I have 10.4.7 (on a sufficiently late model Aluminium PowerBook to have the two- fingered scrolling), but this doesn't seem to do anything for me, nor can I see anything in the control panel. Is this only in MacBooks? BTW for others, while I'd still welcome a faster solution, I find the control-click solution so awkward that I generally prefer to just hold down the trackpad button for a longer time, which in most apps (I'm not sure if it's a system thing, a Cocoa thing, or just a convention) will eventually pop-up a contextual menu. Ben Rubinstein | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cognitive Applications Ltd | Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600 http://www.cogapp.com| Fax : +44 (0)1273-728866 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Of Mac Right Clicks (was Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application")
On 7/24/06, Ben Rubinstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 23/7/06 23:26, Bill Vlahos wrote: > There is a new feature in Mac OS X 10.4.7. Put 2 fingers on the trackpad > and click the button for a right click. Its a brilliant way to overcome > what I considered a shortcoming of a one button laptop. In fact, I like > it better than having two buttons. Billl, can you tell me more? The loss of the right button is what I hate most about using my PB on airplanes - I have 10.4.7 (on a sufficiently late model Aluminium PowerBook to have the two-fingered scrolling), but this doesn't seem to do anything for me, nor can I see anything in the control panel. Is this only in MacBooks? Ben, I think this is MacBook only. My son's MacBook Pro can't do this even though he has the same system software. However it is REALLY neat! Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Of Mac Right Clicks (was Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application")
On 23/7/06 23:26, Bill Vlahos wrote: There is a new feature in Mac OS X 10.4.7. Put 2 fingers on the trackpad and click the button for a right click. Its a brilliant way to overcome what I considered a shortcoming of a one button laptop. In fact, I like it better than having two buttons. Billl, can you tell me more? The loss of the right button is what I hate most about using my PB on airplanes - I have 10.4.7 (on a sufficiently late model Aluminium PowerBook to have the two-fingered scrolling), but this doesn't seem to do anything for me, nor can I see anything in the control panel. Is this only in MacBooks? BTW for others, while I'd still welcome a faster solution, I find the control-click solution so awkward that I generally prefer to just hold down the trackpad button for a longer time, which in most apps (I'm not sure if it's a system thing, a Cocoa thing, or just a convention) will eventually pop-up a contextual menu. Ben Rubinstein | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cognitive Applications Ltd | Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600 http://www.cogapp.com| Fax : +44 (0)1273-728866 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Of Mac Right Clicks (was Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application")
There is a new feature in Mac OS X 10.4.7. Put 2 fingers on the trackpad and click the button for a right click. Its a brilliant way to overcome what I considered a shortcoming of a one button laptop. In fact, I like it better than having two buttons. Bill Vlahos On Jul 23, 2006, at 5:28 AM, Todd Higgins wrote: On Jul 23, 2006, at 1:38 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: That's a nifty piece of software. Do you use it? I'm wondering how exactly one simulates a right-click? I wouldn't think taping on the track pad would work all that well. In fact, I've turned off 'tapping' on all my track pads for that reason My Macbook Pro is my primary machine, so I use the trackpad constantly (So much I was starting to develop wrist pains from constantly clicking with my thumb) I originally got the software for scrolling on my Powerbook (before Apple implemented two finger scrolling support in hardware) I use the trackpad tap set for "left click with drag" and the trackpad button set for "right click" People who want to borrow my machine for a few minutes are throughly confused, but I'm a lot more efficient and my wrist pain went away. I have 2 corners currently set as buttons for Expose and Dashboard. Chipp, if you wanted to you could set one corner button to Delete (which is a combo fn+delete on a Apple laptop) Regards, Todd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
I bet it's not too long before we start seeing Mac laptops come with 2 buttons standard. Esp now with Mighty Mouse being so widely accepted. -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
On 7/23/06 3:18 AM, "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Ken, > > Yes, I was referring to the trackpad. I know many people don't ever > use the trackpad on Macs, but I use it all the time on my PC laptop, > and I'm wondering if it isn't because of the lack of a right-mouse > button. I considered purchasing an Intel Macbook, but realized I > couldn't ever get past the lack of a right-mouse button and the lack > of a delete key (which I use all the time...not backspace key...which > I also use). Well, I've had a G3 iBook for a long time now (I'm getting ready to buy an Intel MacBook Pro soon), and I use the trackpad only when I'm not in a desktop situation (like sitting at an airport, etc.). Not because of the lack of a right mouse button, but because I prefer the control I get with a mouse. As to the delete key you can type FN-Backspace, which gives you the same effect. > Ctrl-click on a trackpad requires two fingers, one to press the > control-key, the other to hold-down the mouseKey at the bottom of the > trackpad, meanwhile the other hand works moving the cursor over the > trackpad to choose the correct menu item. I suppose for young large > hands, it would work just fine, but my fingers would get tired awful > fast trying to contort regularly that way. Well, one of the things I've learned to do is to use my left index finger to hold down the control key while I push the button below the trackpad with my left thumb. It's not a real stretch (as the laptop is small). This leaves my right hand completely free to navigate the menu with the trackpad. Of course it would be nicer if there was a right mouse button on the laptop itself, and I don't know if it would be any worse with a larger 15" or 17" MacBook Pro, but you get the idea... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Of Mac Right Clicks (was Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application")
On Jul 23, 2006, at 1:38 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: That's a nifty piece of software. Do you use it? I'm wondering how exactly one simulates a right-click? I wouldn't think taping on the track pad would work all that well. In fact, I've turned off 'tapping' on all my track pads for that reason My Macbook Pro is my primary machine, so I use the trackpad constantly (So much I was starting to develop wrist pains from constantly clicking with my thumb) I originally got the software for scrolling on my Powerbook (before Apple implemented two finger scrolling support in hardware) I use the trackpad tap set for "left click with drag" and the trackpad button set for "right click" People who want to borrow my machine for a few minutes are throughly confused, but I'm a lot more efficient and my wrist pain went away. I have 2 corners currently set as buttons for Expose and Dashboard. Chipp, if you wanted to you could set one corner button to Delete (which is a combo fn+delete on a Apple laptop) Regards, Todd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
Hi Ken, Yes, I was referring to the trackpad. I know many people don't ever use the trackpad on Macs, but I use it all the time on my PC laptop, and I'm wondering if it isn't because of the lack of a right-mouse button. I considered purchasing an Intel Macbook, but realized I couldn't ever get past the lack of a right-mouse button and the lack of a delete key (which I use all the time...not backspace key...which I also use). Ctrl-click on a trackpad requires two fingers, one to press the control-key, the other to hold-down the mouseKey at the bottom of the trackpad, meanwhile the other hand works moving the cursor over the trackpad to choose the correct menu item. I suppose for young large hands, it would work just fine, but my fingers would get tired awful fast trying to contort regularly that way. -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
On 7/23/06 12:38 AM, "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's a nifty piece of software. Do you use it? I'm wondering how > exactly one simulates a right-click? What's wrong with the Control-click method we currently have (to simulate a right-click)? Or were you thinking of something that only uses the trackpad? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
That's a nifty piece of software. Do you use it? I'm wondering how exactly one simulates a right-click? I wouldn't think taping on the track pad would work all that well. In fact, I've turned off 'tapping' on all my track pads for that reason. But, using the track pad as a scroller is a good idea and I use it all the time on my laptop (software came with the laptop). I also found another neat hack which can help create the right-click, and it says it works on Macs (but I haven't tried it); http://www.hands-free.co.uk/resources/products/picture/75/Smartcat.jpg Supposedly, there's a foot controlled version of this too. ;-) best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
On Jul 22, 2006, at 8:49 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Just for the record, a 1 button mouse (which is the only way Mac laptops come configured) is so VERY last century. Especially when the operating system support the concept of right-click for properties, and scroll wheels. (and don't tell me you can use 2-button mice..i know that, it's just that right now, my PC laptop is...surpriseon my lap, and there's no desire for me to have to find a place for a mouse). Just for the record, there is no need to use a 2 button mouse when you can simulate multiple buttons, scroll wheels, and left and right clicks all with a trackpad and one mouse button. (and the appropriate piece of shareware) Having to have all of that hardcoded into a laptop is SO last century. ;-) http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/sidetrack/index.html -- Todd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
On 7/22/06, Dan Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Of course file extensions aren't required or customary on OS X. That's why I said the idea was so last-century! Personally, I find extensions more than helpful for me, and I turn them on the first thing when I setup either a PC or a Mac. I want to see them as they tell me information about a file without having to dig in a resource editor for it. Plus, as a programmer, they make life very easy. Just for the record, a 1 button mouse (which is the only way Mac laptops come configured) is so VERY last century. Especially when the operating system support the concept of right-click for properties, and scroll wheels. (and don't tell me you can use 2-button mice..i know that, it's just that right now, my PC laptop is...surpriseon my lap, and there's no desire for me to have to find a place for a mouse). -c ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
I said: To be fair, the reason isn't because we are supposed to use file extensions. It's because of naming conflicts. When the standalone builder does its thing, it makes a copy of the mainstack and names it the same name as the original, removing any existing extension first. If the original has no extension to begin with, the stack and the standalone will have the same name. The OS won't let you do that, so the build fails. Adding an extension -- anything, doesn't have to be ".rev" -- allows the original stack to retain a different name than the new standalone. This is only an issue on Macs, really. Windows files almost always have extensions already. On second thought -- the standalone gets built into a different folder so it can't be a Finder thing. I remember reading about the reason here, and that it had something to do with naming conflicts, but I guess the rest went fuzzy. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
Jacque Thanks for the explanation. Sounds like a pretty kludgy design to me but I can live with it as long as I know it's there. Of course file extensions aren't required or customary on OS X. That's why I said the idea was so last-century! :-) On 7/22/06, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dan Shafer wrote: > Chipp.. > > Thanks. I can't find that in the docs. Needless to say, it'll be > prominently > mentioned in a certain forthcoming ebook. > > Sheesh. That's just stupidly unnecessary. File extensions are so last > century. To be fair, the reason isn't because we are supposed to use file extensions. It's because of naming conflicts. When the standalone builder does its thing, it makes a copy of the mainstack and names it the same name as the original, removing any existing extension first. If the original has no extension to begin with, the stack and the standalone will have the same name. The OS won't let you do that, so the build fails. Adding an extension -- anything, doesn't have to be ".rev" -- allows the original stack to retain a different name than the new standalone. This is only an issue on Macs, really. Windows files almost always have extensions already. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
Dan Shafer wrote: Chipp.. Thanks. I can't find that in the docs. Needless to say, it'll be prominently mentioned in a certain forthcoming ebook. Sheesh. That's just stupidly unnecessary. File extensions are so last century. To be fair, the reason isn't because we are supposed to use file extensions. It's because of naming conflicts. When the standalone builder does its thing, it makes a copy of the mainstack and names it the same name as the original, removing any existing extension first. If the original has no extension to begin with, the stack and the standalone will have the same name. The OS won't let you do that, so the build fails. Adding an extension -- anything, doesn't have to be ".rev" -- allows the original stack to retain a different name than the new standalone. This is only an issue on Macs, really. Windows files almost always have extensions already. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
Chipp.. Thanks. I can't find that in the docs. Needless to say, it'll be prominently mentioned in a certain forthcoming ebook. Sheesh. That's just stupidly unnecessary. File extensions are so last century. :-) On 7/22/06, Chipp Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's known files w/out .rev extensions won't compile. FYI ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
It's known files w/out .rev extensions won't compile. FYI ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
Well, I got the application to compile successfully. I don't know which of two problems was getting in the way but I'm going to do more testing. I renamed the stack with a .rev extension and I opened the stack in 2.7.2, saved it in legacy format and then opened it and compiled it in 2.6.1 That did the trick. Thanks to everyone who offered ideas. I'm going to augment that section of my forthcoming eBook with these ideas! On 7/20/06, Dan Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nope, no password protected stacks. I'm going to go through the suggestions one by one and eliminate them until I get this sucker wrestled to the ground. The project's three days late even though I "finished" it on time. Very, very frustrating. On 7/20/06, Phil Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Dan, do you have any password-protected stacks in the mix? I have a > nagging > feeling about it, but haven't tested it recently. > > Phil Davis > > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
Nope, no password protected stacks. I'm going to go through the suggestions one by one and eliminate them until I get this sucker wrestled to the ground. The project's three days late even though I "finished" it on time. Very, very frustrating. On 7/20/06, Phil Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Dan, do you have any password-protected stacks in the mix? I have a nagging feeling about it, but haven't tested it recently. Phil Davis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
Hey Dan, do you have any password-protected stacks in the mix? I have a nagging feeling about it, but haven't tested it recently. Phil Davis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
Dan Shafer wrote: What else can I look for? What could cause this oh-so-helpful error messag? Found another one from the support queue: If you have a stack with a substack and the "Rename stackfiles generically" option in the standalone application setting is on then there is an error creating a standalone when you try to build it. This can happen even though the option appears to be turned off. The workaround is to turn it on and off again to fix the problem. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
Dan Shafer wrote: Nothing infuriates me more than meaningless error messages from development tools. (OK, OK, there are some things in life and politics that infuriate me more, but they don't count right now!) The standalone builder gives specific error messages when it knows what's wrong, but you get the generic one if something else causes a problem that it doesn't know about. The app is a single stack with a single card. It uses libURL to do some FTP stuff. I've set up the standalone settings the way I think they should be. I've tried both explicitly including the Internet library and letting Rev search for the needed libraries. I've tried including and excluding the standard dialogs (which my app doesn't use). I've tried building only for OS X and only for Windows and both at the same time. I've tried building the app under 2.6.1 and 2.7.2. I've confirmed I can build a standalone in 2.6.1and 2.7.2 from another stack with the same basic set of settings. What else can I look for? What could cause this oh-so-helpful error messag? Others have already listed most of what I know about, but just for the record, here's my boilerplate list of things that can go wrong. 1. The path to the stack contains non-ASCII characters, such as diacritical marks or accent marks. Avoid the use of accented or non-ASCII characters in path names. 2. The standalone builder is set to search for inclusions but the stack is password protected. Select the inclusions manually instead, or remove the password. 3. Alternately, the standalone builder may be having trouble searching for the required inclusions regardless of password protection. Turn off "Search for required inclusions" and turn on "Select inclusions for the standalone application." Then choose the resources you need to include yourself in the Standalone Settings dialog. 4. The folder name is the same as your standalone's name. You need a unique folder name; make sure you select an empty folder with a name different from the standalone's name. If you have previously built a standalone from the same stack, do not try to build a new one into the same folder. Trying to overwrite an existing standalone with a new one can casue problems. Rename or remove the old folder first, and then build. 5. Your source stack's file name does not use an extension, or uses an incorrect extension. Make sure your stack's file name ends with the extension ".rev" 6. Your source stack contains duplicate "message box" or "ask" or "answer" dialogs. Remove the embedded stacks and let the standalone builder add them instead. (This usually only occurs with stacks originally created in MetaCard.) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
Dan, et al: Are you by any chance compiling v2.7+ stacks that were created in an earlier version of Revolution? If so, I have good news and you know what-- Good news: I originally encountered this when transferring uncompressed v2.1.2 stacks on one computer to another. Many of the stacks compiled successfully when I compressed them on the source computer and expanded them on the destination computer. You know what: Some other stacks didn't, and the only solution I found was to rename the stack, create a new stack with the original name, and copy & paste controls & scri[pts. The first couple I copied & pasted one control (or group) at a time, compiling between each addition in an effort to find THE control that caused the problem. I never found it, and next time I would try select all, copy, paste and move stack & card scripts before trying it peacemeal. Something I haven't tried but just thought of: try saving the stack in legacy format and then reopening it. Probably won't help; but if your source stacks were not created in v2.7+ format, it's a quick expirement. -- Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
Dan, Make sure you are not saving the standalone to the same folder your stack is at. I usually save my standalones to the desktop. -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
Thanks for the idea, Viktoras, but this stack uses no external files at all. Hmmm. On 7/19/06, Viktoras Didziulis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not so long ago I have seen the same message. As far as I remember it was when files used by stack were locked by other programs on my Windows box. Closing all the other tools solved the problem. Maybe this is the case ?.. Viktoras ---Original Message--- From: Dan Shafer Date: 07/20/06 01:46:28 To: How to use Revolution Subject: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application" Nothing infuriates me more than meaningless error messages from development tools. (OK, OK, there are some things in life and politics that infuriate me more, but they don't count right now!) I'm working on my eBook on building standalones and for the first time in a long time, I cannot get a fairly simple application to create a standalone. I've tried everything I know of and have spent 3 hours on this, so it's time to raise a white flag. The app is a single stack with a single card. It uses libURL to do some FTP stuff. I've set up the standalone settings the way I think they should be. I've tried both explicitly including the Internet library and letting Rev search for the needed libraries. I've tried including and excluding the standard dialogs (which my app doesn't use). I've tried building only for OS X and only for Windows and both at the same time. I've tried building the app under 2.6.1 and 2.7.2. I've confirmed I can build a standalone in 2.6 1and 2.7.2 from another stack with the same basic set of settings. What else can I look for? What could cause this oh-so-helpful error messag? -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
Not so long ago I have seen the same message. As far as I remember it was when files used by stack were locked by other programs on my Windows box. Closing all the other tools solved the problem. Maybe this is the case ?.. Viktoras ---Original Message--- From: Dan Shafer Date: 07/20/06 01:46:28 To: How to use Revolution Subject: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application" Nothing infuriates me more than meaningless error messages from development tools. (OK, OK, there are some things in life and politics that infuriate me more, but they don't count right now!) I'm working on my eBook on building standalones and for the first time in a long time, I cannot get a fairly simple application to create a standalone. I've tried everything I know of and have spent 3 hours on this, so it's time to raise a white flag. The app is a single stack with a single card. It uses libURL to do some FTP stuff. I've set up the standalone settings the way I think they should be. I've tried both explicitly including the Internet library and letting Rev search for the needed libraries. I've tried including and excluding the standard dialogs (which my app doesn't use). I've tried building only for OS X and only for Windows and both at the same time. I've tried building the app under 2.6.1 and 2.7.2. I've confirmed I can build a standalone in 2.6 1and 2.7.2 from another stack with the same basic set of settings. What else can I look for? What could cause this oh-so-helpful error messag? -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" >From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
On 7/19/06, Phil Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Shots in the dark: - How long is your filepath to the stack in question? Try putting it on your desktop and building it from there. Tried that. Also shortened the name of the stack file itself. - Does the file have any oddball characters in its name? get rid of 'em. Nope OR - this is probably the route to go if you have time - just wait for the book to come out. :o) Can't wait. Author's way too slow. Sorry... it got away from me. Too much Tom Poston in 60s-70s sitcoms. Phil Davis Dan Shafer wrote: > Nothing infuriates me more than meaningless error messages from development > tools. (OK, OK, there are some things in life and politics that > infuriate me > more, but they don't count right now!) > > I'm working on my eBook on building standalones and for the first time in a > long time, I cannot get a fairly simple application to create a standalone. > I've tried everything I know of and have spent 3 hours on this, so it's > time > to raise a white flag. > > The app is a single stack with a single card. It uses libURL to do some FTP > stuff. I've set up the standalone settings the way I think they should be. > I've tried both explicitly including the Internet library and letting Rev > search for the needed libraries. I've tried including and excluding the > standard dialogs (which my app doesn't use). I've tried building only > for OS > X and only for Windows and both at the same time. I've tried building the > app under 2.6.1 and 2.7.2. I've confirmed I can build a standalone in > 2.6.1and > 2.7.2 from another stack with the same basic set of settings. > > What else can I look for? What could cause this oh-so-helpful error messag? > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
Shots in the dark: - How long is your filepath to the stack in question? Try putting it on your desktop and building it from there. - Does the file have any oddball characters in its name? get rid of 'em. OR - this is probably the route to go if you have time - just wait for the book to come out. :o) Sorry... it got away from me. Too much Tom Poston in 60s-70s sitcoms. Phil Davis Dan Shafer wrote: Nothing infuriates me more than meaningless error messages from development tools. (OK, OK, there are some things in life and politics that infuriate me more, but they don't count right now!) I'm working on my eBook on building standalones and for the first time in a long time, I cannot get a fairly simple application to create a standalone. I've tried everything I know of and have spent 3 hours on this, so it's time to raise a white flag. The app is a single stack with a single card. It uses libURL to do some FTP stuff. I've set up the standalone settings the way I think they should be. I've tried both explicitly including the Internet library and letting Rev search for the needed libraries. I've tried including and excluding the standard dialogs (which my app doesn't use). I've tried building only for OS X and only for Windows and both at the same time. I've tried building the app under 2.6.1 and 2.7.2. I've confirmed I can build a standalone in 2.6.1and 2.7.2 from another stack with the same basic set of settings. What else can I look for? What could cause this oh-so-helpful error messag? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
"There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application"
Nothing infuriates me more than meaningless error messages from development tools. (OK, OK, there are some things in life and politics that infuriate me more, but they don't count right now!) I'm working on my eBook on building standalones and for the first time in a long time, I cannot get a fairly simple application to create a standalone. I've tried everything I know of and have spent 3 hours on this, so it's time to raise a white flag. The app is a single stack with a single card. It uses libURL to do some FTP stuff. I've set up the standalone settings the way I think they should be. I've tried both explicitly including the Internet library and letting Rev search for the needed libraries. I've tried including and excluding the standard dialogs (which my app doesn't use). I've tried building only for OS X and only for Windows and both at the same time. I've tried building the app under 2.6.1 and 2.7.2. I've confirmed I can build a standalone in 2.6.1and 2.7.2 from another stack with the same basic set of settings. What else can I look for? What could cause this oh-so-helpful error messag? -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
