Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
MOT: Ministry of Transport / Miles of Topic / Mad, 'Orrible Twisted; your choice. On 12/05/2010 23:16, Andre Garzia wrote: Believe me, I can't understand Nietzsche even in Portuguese... and I had classes about him at the university... My son had a Nietzsche patch about a year ago, and all our meals were spoilt by all sorts of pronouncements about how people who didn't contribute to society should be shot, and more awful stuff. Luckily my son is 17 and has now recovered from his Nietzchean aberration and is now taking out his adolescent frustrations on the piano and his parents . . . :( Perhaps I should also point out that the inventor of Nazism (who was English, oddly enough), Houston Chamberlain (married Wagner's daughter), drew on a lot of Nietzsche's stuff for . . . well we all know where that went: millions and millions of people being gassed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Chamberlain So, frankly, I don't think I want to understand Nietzsche. --- Now; as a holder of a degree in Philosophy, if you really want to read some philosophy that doesn't lead one down the garden path to racism, fascism and so forth why not try a spot of Wittgenstein: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wittgenstein I have been trying spots of Wittgenstein for years, and after about 25, feel I am just beginning to understand what he really wanted to say (and I am probably quite wrong). -- Oh; before I forget: 1. Unicode fonts don't work properly with RunRev and Windows Vista. 2. Fonts and RunRev are enormously problematic with Linux. 3. Nietzsche never played football for Arbroath. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things taken from La volonté de puissance book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues pertinent to the 21st century ... As for Wittgenstein, I recommend L'abécédaire de Gilles Deleuze which defines his thought as the degree zero of the philosophy ... Désaccord total... but ;-) Bonne nuit René Le 12 mai 2010 à 22:35, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : MOT: Ministry of Transport / Miles of Topic / Mad, 'Orrible Twisted; your choice. On 12/05/2010 23:16, Andre Garzia wrote: Believe me, I can't understand Nietzsche even in Portuguese... and I had classes about him at the university... My son had a Nietzsche patch about a year ago, and all our meals were spoilt by all sorts of pronouncements about how people who didn't contribute to society should be shot, and more awful stuff. Luckily my son is 17 and has now recovered from his Nietzchean aberration and is now taking out his adolescent frustrations on the piano and his parents . . . :( Perhaps I should also point out that the inventor of Nazism (who was English, oddly enough), Houston Chamberlain (married Wagner's daughter), drew on a lot of Nietzsche's stuff for . . . well we all know where that went: millions and millions of people being gassed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Chamberlain So, frankly, I don't think I want to understand Nietzsche. --- Now; as a holder of a degree in Philosophy, if you really want to read some philosophy that doesn't lead one down the garden path to racism, fascism and so forth why not try a spot of Wittgenstein: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wittgenstein I have been trying spots of Wittgenstein for years, and after about 25, feel I am just beginning to understand what he really wanted to say (and I am probably quite wrong). -- Oh; before I forget: 1. Unicode fonts don't work properly with RunRev and Windows Vista. 2. Fonts and RunRev are enormously problematic with Linux. 3. Nietzsche never played football for Arbroath. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
René Micout wrote: This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things taken from La volonté de puissance book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues pertinent to the 21st century ... I don't mind an OT post when I learn something. :) Thanks, René. Good info. Sheds good light on the man, and helps explain why my own somewhat limited readings of Nietzsche's works didn't strike me the same way others describe him. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
I am so sorry to drift on our computer's subjects, it's my fault, I made a citation about which I do not think there would be these returns back. I also know from experience that the name of Nietzsche can be controversial. It is a paradox because it is a philosopher of life who fights nihilism and when someone is nihilistic we assimilate his remarks to those of Nietzsche ... Strange that this man is so little understood. We must recognize that his books are not easily accessible. Le 12 mai 2010 à 22:57, Richard Gaskin a écrit : René Micout wrote: This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things taken from La volonté de puissance book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues pertinent to the 21st century ... I don't mind an OT post when I learn something. :) Thanks, René. Good info. Sheds good light on the man, and helps explain why my own somewhat limited readings of Nietzsche's works didn't strike me the same way others describe him. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
On 12/05/2010 23:53, René Micout wrote: This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things taken from La volonté de puissance book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues pertinent to the 21st century ... As for Wittgenstein, I recommend L'abécédaire de Gilles Deleuze which defines his thought as the degree zero of the philosophy ... Désaccord total... but ;-) Bonne nuit René Well it is a good thing that Thee and Me, at least, are grown ups, so we can disagree violently yet still carry on a civilised correspondence. This is, of course, quite unlike somebody else . . . :) I think that the reason many people discard Wittgenstein is that they think because he did not write in some sort of metaphysical jargon, but plain, simple words and sentences, he wrote crap. In fact, if one takes one's time to work one's way through his work there is a lot of good there. I, also, wouldn't doubt that there is a lot of good in some of Nietzsche's work; it has been, however, overshadowed by historical developments; whether as a result of misinterpretation (and that has to be a subjective judgement) of what he wrote, distortion by his sister, distortion by Chamberlain, or what he actually did write. What constitutes one man's misinterpretation may be another man's verité; ne c'est pas? And as Nietzsche is dead we are quite unable to find out what the man actually intended to say. It is also extremely difficult to read any writer whose work has had an historical effect without one's interpretation being coloured by a knowledge of that historical effect; reading in vacuo is not an option.. While Wittgenstein has had an effect on late 20 century thought, he has not precipitated (even if unwittingly) what happened in central Europe between 1933 and 1945, and whose echoes are still being felt. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
On 13/05/2010 00:10, René Micout wrote: I am so sorry to drift on our computer's subjects, it's my fault, I made a citation about which I do not think there would be these returns back. I also know from experience that the name of Nietzsche can be controversial. It is a paradox because it is a philosopher of life who fights nihilism and when someone is nihilistic we assimilate his remarks to those of Nietzsche ... Strange that this man is so little understood. We must recognize that his books are not easily accessible. C'est sure, mon ami ; et Immanuel Kant, Nicolas Malebranche et al aussi . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
Bringing things back on topic (well sort of)... Nietzsche also wrote something called (in English) The Gay Science. This is something of which a certain person on this list is sure to endorse, and illustrates Nietzsche's great foresight or aforementioned person's retrospective hindsight with which we are all familiar, relatively speaking. Thus spoke Dave On 12 May 2010, at 21:57, Richard Gaskin wrote: René Micout wrote: This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things taken from La volonté de puissance book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues pertinent to the 21st century ... I don't mind an OT post when I learn something. :) Thanks, René. Good info. Sheds good light on the man, and helps explain why my own somewhat limited readings of Nietzsche's works didn't strike me the same way others describe him. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
On 13/05/2010 00:25, Dave Cragg wrote: Bringing things back on topic (well sort of)... Nietzsche also wrote something called (in English) To come out of the closet, or to stay shut in; that is the question. The Gay Science. Oh dear! Polysemanticism and the perils of translation. There is a chap called 'Randy' over here the other day, and my first name is 'John' . . . the whole thing can be carried too far. At my school there was a chap called 'Shufflebotham' (pronounced in 'that' way) who was an extremely good country runner; although he was often beaten by the chaplain's son; 'Alcock'. I kid you not! Sooner rather than later our good wag, J. Landman G. will quip one off. This is something of which a certain person on this list is sure to endorse, and illustrates Nietzsche's great foresight or aforementioned person's retrospective hindsight with which we are all familiar, relatively speaking. Thus spoke Dave Try a Google search for Revolution . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
If Hitler had read Nietzsche I do not think it is claimed. It is very violent with anti-Semitic, also the violence. I think he read the wrong book concocted by his sister in which sentences are truncated and modified to suggest to Hitler that his brother shared his ideas. read about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Will_to_Power_ (manuscript), I know the French version http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Volonté_de_puissance I do not know if the English version is the same (five times shorter). I understand (I hope I am not wrong) that you worked on Sanskrit. Nietzsche in particular raised the figure of Dionysus, the Greek equivalent of Shiva (Cernunos in Celtic) A few days ago on French television, Michel Onfray, a French philosopher strongly anchored to the left (politics) said: The discovery of Nietzsche has changed my life. I doubt a man of the left claims (especially in France) of a philosopher professing the ideals of the far right. But it is late Mister (Mais il est tard, Monsieur) (in the words of Jacques Brel), almost midnight and it is time to go to bed. It is not easy and it takes time but this writer is very important if there is only one book to read about Nietzsche Nietzsche I advise Patrick Wotling (I do not know if has been translated into English), but that of Deleuze has been (but it is very difficult). Good Night Richmond ! René Le 12 mai 2010 à 23:19, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : On 12/05/2010 23:53, René Micout wrote: This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things taken from La volonté de puissance book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues pertinent to the 21st century ... As for Wittgenstein, I recommend L'abécédaire de Gilles Deleuze which defines his thought as the degree zero of the philosophy ... Désaccord total... but ;-) Bonne nuit René Well it is a good thing that Thee and Me, at least, are grown ups, so we can disagree violently yet still carry on a civilised correspondence. This is, of course, quite unlike somebody else . . . :) I think that the reason many people discard Wittgenstein is that they think because he did not write in some sort of metaphysical jargon, but plain, simple words and sentences, he wrote crap. In fact, if one takes one's time to work one's way through his work there is a lot of good there. I, also, wouldn't doubt that there is a lot of good in some of Nietzsche's work; it has been, however, overshadowed by historical developments; whether as a result of misinterpretation (and that has to be a subjective judgement) of what he wrote, distortion by his sister, distortion by Chamberlain, or what he actually did write. What constitutes one man's misinterpretation may be another man's verité; ne c'est pas? And as Nietzsche is dead we are quite unable to find out what the man actually intended to say. It is also extremely difficult to read any writer whose work has had an historical effect without one's interpretation being coloured by a knowledge of that historical effect; reading in vacuo is not an option.. While Wittgenstein has had an effect on late 20 century thought, he has not precipitated (even if unwittingly) what happened in central Europe between 1933 and 1945, and whose echoes are still being felt. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
Name ! Name ! Des noms ! Des noms ! ;-) Le 12 mai 2010 à 23:25, Dave Cragg a écrit : Bringing things back on topic (well sort of)... Nietzsche also wrote something called (in English) The Gay Science. This is something of which a certain person on this list is sure to endorse, and illustrates Nietzsche's great foresight or aforementioned person's retrospective hindsight with which we are all familiar, relatively speaking. Thus spoke Dave On 12 May 2010, at 21:57, Richard Gaskin wrote: René Micout wrote: This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things taken from La volonté de puissance book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues pertinent to the 21st century ... I don't mind an OT post when I learn something. :) Thanks, René. Good info. Sheds good light on the man, and helps explain why my own somewhat limited readings of Nietzsche's works didn't strike me the same way others describe him. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
Richmond Mathewson wrote: At my school there was a chap called 'Shufflebotham' (pronounced in 'that' way) who was an extremely good country runner; although he was often beaten by the chaplain's son; 'Alcock'. I kid you not! Sooner rather than later our good wag, J. Landman G. will quip one off. Hard to top those, but...I just got a new phone line and the caller ID info is showing up as Gay Jacqueline. I think I need to change that. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
Die fröhliche Wissenschaft: The Gay Science was about poetry and the idea of power. It has also been translated as The Joyous Wisdom (which avoids any latter-day ambiguity). Personally I would go for an entirely literal translation of 'fröhliche'; frolicsome nothing either wrong or ambig. about that! Bon Nuit, ???, Slaap lekker! Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
Jacque- Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 3:00:13 PM, you wrote: Hard to top those, but...I just got a new phone line and the caller ID info is showing up as Gay Jacqueline. I think I need to change that. ...toujours gai, archy... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
