Re: Wake up Revolution
Holá Sarah, holá Bill, Thanks for offering your high-welcome help. I'm testing RR with the actual version I downloades the night before. I use W2k and XP-professional. RAM on W2k 2 GB, on XP 1 GB Yes, I'm using a existing stack wich works fine under 2.9. The application has a size of 16 MB Here is what I for example do: By pressing a button, which contains: on mouseUp set cursor to watch go cd Adressliste_Global end mouseUp On this Card: on preopencard set the visible of btn weckerli to false set the visible of fld Alarmliste to false lock screen put empty into temp1 put empty into temp2 put empty into temp3 put empty into temp4 put empty into temp5 put empty into temp6 put empty into temp7 put empty into temp8 put empty into temp9 put empty into temp10 put empty into temp11 put empty into temp12 put empty into temp13 put empty into temp14 put empty into fld kndnr1 put empty into fld vorname1 put empty into fld suchname1 put empty into fld aktiv1 put empty into fld kategorie1 put empty into fld ort1 put empty into fld burzeltag1 put empty into fld Telefon1 put empty into fld Telefon2 put empty into fld antwort put empty into fld phone unlock screen end preopencard on opencard lock screen hide img up1 hide img up2 hide img up3 hide img up4 hide img up5 hide img up6 hide img up7 hide img up8 hide img up9 hide img down1 hide img down2 hide img down3 hide img down4 hide img down5 hide img down6 hide img down7 hide img down8 hide img down9 hide grp Kategorieauswahl put A - Z into Index put word 1 of fld v_feld_01 benutzer into fld v_feld_01 #zettelkasten #SetTime #Termine_machen unlock screen focus fld antwort end opencard all variables are defined by Globals or Locals. This action takes 18545 millisec!!!, the CPU is on 100% and the computer is blocked completly. Yes, if I'm locking messages, it is fast. But what the hell is wrong with the script above?? Still having the prob with ^T wich also takes until 2 minutes with blocking the Computer for other work. Still a long delay to open Tools in the menu bar, nearly impossible to open a CD from Application Browser. I crashed RR after waiting 15 minutes to open a card Whatever I do, the cpu goes to 100%, and the delay is out of discussion. If you use Team-view and are interested to see, where I'm talking about,please let me know and we'll make an apointment kind regards Horst -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Wake-up-Revolution-tp621641p621729.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Dear Inselfan, I cannot help noticing you are using Windows; Maybe the problem does not lie with RunRev 4, but maybe there is a background process (possibly some sort of virus) that is triggered when you launch RunRev, that is hogging the memory. I am running RunRev 4 on a Pentium III Compaq, 256 MB RAM, Windows XP as a test machine (I normally work with Macintosh) and everything runs very smoothly; the only problem being if I decide to run another program at the same time - which, considering the comparatively small amount of RAM and the fact that my XP box is headless (i.e. no monitor) and 'bottomless' (no keyboard and mouse) and I access it using the Microsoft Remote Desktop Connection Client from my G4 Mac is unsurprising. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Holá Richmond, Well, running same Stacks with RR-2.9 is OK so far. I don't think, that my PC's are infected. Not with a Virus or something else. It is only RR 4.0 which blocks. On all Computers, but thanks for trying to help. I would love to tell the World, that RunRev 4.0 is the best ever and that everything works as expected, but I think, it's a long way there... kind regards Horst Dear Inselfan, I cannot help noticing you are using Windows; Maybe the problem does not lie with RunRev 4, but maybe there is a background process (possibly some sort of virus) that is triggered when you launch RunRev, that is hogging the memory. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Wake-up-Revolution-tp621641p621748.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Inselfan wrote: Holá Richmond, Well, running same Stacks with RR-2.9 is OK so far. I don't think, that my PC's are infected. Not with a Virus or something else. It is only RR 4.0 which blocks. On all Computers, but thanks for trying to help. I would love to tell the World, that RunRev 4.0 is the best ever and that everything works as expected, but I think, it's a long way there... kind regards Horst Dear Inselfan, I cannot help noticing you are using Windows; Maybe the problem does not lie with RunRev 4, but maybe there is a background process (possibly some sort of virus) that is triggered when you launch RunRev, that is hogging the memory. I cannot help feeling that there is something funny about your computer; I have RunRev 4 (Studio) running extremely well on the following machines: Pentium 3: Windows XP Hewlett-Packard Pentium 4: Ubuntu 8.04.3 Mac G4: Mac OS 10.5.8 And revMedia 4 running on all of those and: iMac G3: Mac OS 10.4.11 MacMini PPC: Mac OS 10.4.11 I have about 12 children running revMedia on a variety of computers running from an old P2 with Windows 98 to a fancy laptop running Vista all having a lovely time with revMedia 4. One boy running Mint Linux with revMedia. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Inselfan wrote: Well, running same Stacks with RR-2.9 is OK so far. I don't think, that my PC's are infected. Not with a Virus or something else. It is only RR 4.0 which blocks. On all Computers, but thanks for trying to help. I would love to tell the World, that RunRev 4.0 is the best ever and that everything works as expected, but I think, it's a long way there... If a thousand people experience great performance and one person experiences very poor performance, would it not seem worthwhile to consider the cause of the difference may lie with the system's configuration? It may not be a virus, but clearly there's something going on which is very different from what most if not all Rev4 users are experiencing. The method for solving any problem is to identify the differences between the working and non-working states. If you're interested in enjoying the same Rev 4 performance everyone else here is experiencing, perhaps we could start by looking at your OS version, RAM, and other system particulars. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Hi Inselfan, I use the Rev 4.0 GM1(IDE) to run a stack as a 24/7 long running process without any problem on 4+1 different boxes : The process consist to produce, one grid after an other, crosswords games (lexicons + AI outputs the games that are then uploaded to www.wrds.com . The 4 first boxes are producing the games and the last one is uploading them. Producers Boxes : - Medion laptop Pentium M 1.6 Ghz with 1 Go RAM Win XP Pro - Acer AspireOne subnotebook Intel N 270 1.6 Ghz with 1 Go RAM Win XP Home - Asus eeePC 900 subnotebook Intel Pentium Celeron 0.9 Ghz with 1 Go RAM - Win XP Home - Mac Book Pro Core 2 (32 bits) 2 Ghz with 2 Go RAM - Mac OS X 10.5.8 Upload Box ; PowerBook G4 1Ghz with 1 Go RAM - Mac OS X 10.4.11 Dev. Box : - Mac Book Pro Core 2 (32 bits) 2 Ghz with 2 Go RAM - Mac OS X 10.5.8 All is working perfectly under all thoses configs. I use ClamWin 0.95 antivirus on the win boxes. What i just noticed in switching for Rev 3.5 to Rev 4.0 is that the script editor seems 20% more reactive under the dev box. Can't say, at this point, if the engine is realy 20% faster too. Hope this can help. Best Regards, P. Sahores Le 15 nov. 09 à 14:13, Inselfan a écrit : Holá Richmond, Well, running same Stacks with RR-2.9 is OK so far. I don't think, that my PC's are infected. Not with a Virus or something else. It is only RR 4.0 which blocks. On all Computers, but thanks for trying to help. I would love to tell the World, that RunRev 4.0 is the best ever and that everything works as expected, but I think, it's a long way there... kind regards Horst Dear Inselfan, I cannot help noticing you are using Windows; Maybe the problem does not lie with RunRev 4, but maybe there is a background process (possibly some sort of virus) that is triggered when you launch RunRev, that is hogging the memory. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Wake-up-Revolution-tp621641p621748.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Richard, Who says that tousand people experience great performance?! I, for one, don't. I am pretty sure that Inselfan did something that should just work in Revolution without problems and figuring out the source of the problem is a process that one should not have to go through with a development environment like Revolution in the first place! -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Download Strõm Flow Chart Software http://flowproject.economy-x-talk.com Op 15 nov 2009, om 17:18 heeft Richard Gaskin het volgende geschreven: If a thousand people experience great performance and one person experiences very poor performance, would it not seem worthwhile to consider the cause of the difference may lie with the system's configuration? It may not be a virus, but clearly there's something going on which is very different from what most if not all Rev4 users are experiencing. The method for solving any problem is to identify the differences between the working and non-working states. If you're interested in enjoying the same Rev 4 performance everyone else here is experiencing, perhaps we could start by looking at your OS version, RAM, and other system particulars. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
On Nov 15, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: If a thousand people experience great performance and one person experiences very poor performance, would it not seem worthwhile to consider the cause of the difference may lie with the system's configuration? You can't use logic for this case, otherwise you would argue that if on a particular machine you can open and run a stack without any issues in 2.9, and if you open and run the stack in 4.0 you get two minute long lock up of the machine every time you press a certain key, obviously 4.0 is the only thing that was changed in the test, and so must be at fault. The best test would be to get that stack onto other people's machines, and have them run it in 2.9 and 4.0, and see if the same issue happens. At the same time Inselfan should try further testing of 4.0, with other stacks. If those other stacks all work perfectly, then that helps narrow the problem down to something in that particular stack triggering the issue. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Hi Horst, Why don't you do some logging to figure out what's causing the pain? Just add something like this to the preOpenCard and openCard handlers: ## on preOpenCard put the milliseconds into tStart -- now the rest of your handler script ... -- now put how long it takes at the end of the message box put the milliseconds into tEnd put merge(preOpenCard: [[tStart]] [[tEnd]] ([[tEnd - tStart]] millis)) return after msg end preOpenCard ## Now when you move from one card to the next, you should see how long the individual handlers take, but also how much time is between the preOpenCard and openCard events. If for some reason, the slowdown is inside your own handler, try and narrow it down to the slowest statement. It's not a fun job, but it will give you valuable insight. Jan Schenkel. = Quartam Reports PDF Library for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Inselfan balearenin...@gmx.net wrote: Holá Sarah, holá Bill, Thanks for offering your high-welcome help. I'm testing RR with the actual version I downloades the night before. I use W2k and XP-professional. RAM on W2k 2 GB, on XP 1 GB Yes, I'm using a existing stack wich works fine under 2.9. The application has a size of 16 MB Here is what I for example do: By pressing a button, which contains: on mouseUp set cursor to watch go cd Adressliste_Global end mouseUp On this Card: on preopencard set the visible of btn weckerli to false set the visible of fld Alarmliste to false lock screen put empty into temp1 put empty into temp2 put empty into temp3 put empty into temp4 put empty into temp5 put empty into temp6 put empty into temp7 put empty into temp8 put empty into temp9 put empty into temp10 put empty into temp11 put empty into temp12 put empty into temp13 put empty into temp14 put empty into fld kndnr1 put empty into fld vorname1 put empty into fld suchname1 put empty into fld aktiv1 put empty into fld kategorie1 put empty into fld ort1 put empty into fld burzeltag1 put empty into fld Telefon1 put empty into fld Telefon2 put empty into fld antwort put empty into fld phone unlock screen end preopencard on opencard lock screen hide img up1 hide img up2 hide img up3 hide img up4 hide img up5 hide img up6 hide img up7 hide img up8 hide img up9 hide img down1 hide img down2 hide img down3 hide img down4 hide img down5 hide img down6 hide img down7 hide img down8 hide img down9 hide grp Kategorieauswahl put A - Z into Index put word 1 of fld v_feld_01 benutzer into fld v_feld_01 #zettelkasten #SetTime #Termine_machen unlock screen focus fld antwort end opencard all variables are defined by Globals or Locals. This action takes 18545 millisec!!!, the CPU is on 100% and the computer is blocked completly. Yes, if I'm locking messages, it is fast. But what the hell is wrong with the script above?? Still having the prob with ^T wich also takes until 2 minutes with blocking the Computer for other work. Still a long delay to open Tools in the menu bar, nearly impossible to open a CD from Application Browser. I crashed RR after waiting 15 minutes to open a card Whatever I do, the cpu goes to 100%, and the delay is out of discussion. If you use Team-view and are interested to see, where I'm talking about,please let me know and we'll make an apointment kind regards Horst ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Inselfan wrote: Here is what I for example do: By pressing a button, which contains: on mouseUp set cursor to watch go cd Adressliste_Global end mouseUp On this Card: on preopencard set the visible of btn weckerli to false set the visible of fld Alarmliste to false lock screen put empty into temp1 put empty into temp2 put empty into temp3 put empty into temp4 put empty into temp5 put empty into temp6 put empty into temp7 put empty into temp8 put empty into temp9 put empty into temp10 put empty into temp11 put empty into temp12 put empty into temp13 put empty into temp14 put empty into fld kndnr1 put empty into fld vorname1 put empty into fld suchname1 put empty into fld aktiv1 put empty into fld kategorie1 put empty into fld ort1 put empty into fld burzeltag1 put empty into fld Telefon1 put empty into fld Telefon2 put empty into fld antwort put empty into fld phone unlock screen end preopencard on opencard lock screen hide img up1 hide img up2 hide img up3 hide img up4 hide img up5 hide img up6 hide img up7 hide img up8 hide img up9 hide img down1 hide img down2 hide img down3 hide img down4 hide img down5 hide img down6 hide img down7 hide img down8 hide img down9 hide grp Kategorieauswahl put A - Z into Index put word 1 of fld v_feld_01 benutzer into fld v_feld_01 #zettelkasten #SetTime #Termine_machen unlock screen focus fld antwort end opencard There is nothing here that would cause a slowdown, it should be instantaneous. These are very simple commands. Yes, if I'm locking messages, it is fast. But what the hell is wrong with the script above?? This is a clue. If the handlers run fast with messages locked, that means there is another handler somewhere that is taking all the CPU time. Often this is caused by a repeat loop that doesn't exit, or some other command that does not release control to Rev. Look for other stacks that are in use, scripts inserted into the back, plugins that are running, or something else that is using CPU time. Try choosing suspend development environment from the Tools menu and then run your script. If that works, then check the plugins carefully, particularly any third-party plugins you might have installed. If that does not work, it means a handler in your stack somewhere is running without releasing time to the CPU. If you would like to send me your stack off-list, I will look at it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Horst, it might be that your preferences stack broke in the update. try this in msg: put the effective filename of stack revPreferences Note that path and quit rev. Remove the file from there and relaunch rev. Does it make things any better? Also, if that doesn´t help, what does put the messageMessages return for you? Cheers, Malte___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Mark Schonewille wrote: Who says that tousand people experience great performance?! I, for one, don't. I haven't seen your RQCC report on this. What's the #? After reading the messages here, in the forum, and other venues, yours and Inselfan's posts are the first I've come across during the long preview cycle which report that there's something wrong with v4's performance. Now that we have a second data point reflecting similar results we can modify the analysis of the problem, but the basic principle remains the same: identify the differences between the working and non-working states. I am pretty sure that Inselfan did something that should just work in Revolution without problems and figuring out the source of the problem is a process that one should not have to go through with a development environment like Revolution in the first place! I wholeheartedly agree, and share the desire for an ideal world in which everything always works perfectly. But in our imperfect world all processes have a failure rate, and the software development process is no exception. If the good folks at RunRev are aware of this issue I doubt they consider it acceptable, and are likely working on it I write this. But if they're not yet aware of it they may require some assistance to be able to replicate it. That's where we come in: when we see a problem, we try arrive at a recipe for reproducing it and report it to the RQCC. Colin's suggestion seems useful for doing so: The best test would be to get that stack onto other people's machines, and have them run it in 2.9 and 4.0, and see if the same issue happens. At the same time Inselfan should try further testing of 4.0, with other stacks. If those other stacks all work perfectly, then that helps narrow the problem down to something in that particular stack triggering the issue. Jacque's comments honed this analysis even further: Try choosing suspend development environment from the Tools menu and then run your script. If that works, then check the plugins carefully, particularly any third-party plugins you might have installed. If that does not work, it means a handler in your stack somewhere is running without releasing time to the CPU. If you would like to send me your stack off-list, I will look at it. I would be interested in learning what you find, Jacque. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Richard Gaskin wrote: Mark Schonewille wrote: Who says that tousand people experience great performance?! I, for one, don't. I haven't seen your RQCC report on this. What's the #? After reading the messages here, in the forum, and other venues, yours and Inselfan's posts are the first I've come across during the long preview cycle which report that there's something wrong with v4's performance. Now that we have a second data point reflecting similar results we can modify the analysis of the problem, but the basic principle remains the same: identify the differences between the working and non-working states. I am pretty sure that Inselfan did something that should just work in Revolution without problems and figuring out the source of the problem is a process that one should not have to go through with a development environment like Revolution in the first place! I wholeheartedly agree, There is a school of thought that RunRev have tried to expand the capabilities of Revolution rather too rapidly, without taking care of some 'nuts-and-bolts' glitches that have been around for some time. There is a risk, as one runs for the finish line, with one's eye on the prize, that one doesn't see the banana skin on the track. and share the desire for an ideal world in which everything always works perfectly. But in our imperfect world all processes have a failure rate, and the software development process is no exception. If the good folks at RunRev are aware of this issue I doubt they consider it acceptable, and are likely working on it I write this. But if they're not yet aware of it they may require some assistance to be able to replicate it. That's where we come in: when we see a problem, we try arrive at a recipe for reproducing it and report it to the RQCC. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
I hate those f_cking banana skins. On Nov 15, 2009, at 3:30 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: There is a risk, as one runs for the finish line, with one's eye on the prize, that one doesn't see the banana skin on the track. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Colin wrote: If a thousand people experience great performance and one person experiences very poor performance, would it not seem worthwhile to consider the cause of the difference may lie with the system's configuration? You can't use logic for this case, otherwise you would argue that if on a particular machine you can open and run a stack without any issues in 2.9, and if you open and run the stack in 4.0 you get two minute long lock up of the machine every time you press a certain key, obviously 4.0 is the only thing that was changed in the test, and so must be at fault. Actually, one can and should use logic here. The former is an example of logic; the latter is, well, superstition. The difference is sample size. If I buy two loaves of bread at the store, and one is stale but the other is fresh, I can make no logical inferences about the cause of the staleness even if superficial aspects like expiration date and wrapper color are the same and the only apparent difference is the brand. The fault could lie among a hundred different variables. You cannot compare two loaves and say with any confidence that Brand X is a better bakery than Brand A. Neither loaf can be said to be representative of the larger population. However if 999 loaves of Brand X turn up fresh and one loaf is stale, it's logically valid to infer there must be something about the unique handling/processing/delivery/storage of that particular loaf that has caused the problem. Perhaps the wrapper was torn while unpacking, or a 6-year-old kid with grubby hands opened it and stole a slice while it was on the store shelf, etc. Mark wrote: Who says that thousand people experience great performance?! I, for one, don't. I am pretty sure that Inselfan did something that should just work in Revolution without problems and figuring out the source of the problem is a process that one should not have to go through with a development environment like Revolution in the first place! Mark, I'm sure that if it took you minutes to hide/show the Tools Palette and anything more than milliseconds to navigate between cards, we would have heard from you about it before now. I would also say that investigating reasons for mysterious slowdowns in projects is an unavoidable task in any development environment, especially one like Rev which is designed for authoring/deployment on so many varied platforms. Having said that, a refresh of the IDE probably is needed -- for efficiency, to update the look-and-feel, and to exploit new features like behaviors --and is in the works. In this particular instance there are so many variables and factors we do not know about the situation. Does this problem occur with all stacks or just the 16MB one? Is the Property Inspector open, and to what pane? Are there any third-party add-ons installed that have not been designed for the post-2.9 world? It's also easier than ever to do testing, especially on Windows where you have Microsoft's Virtual PC 2007 and freely downloadable images of the Windows XP and Vista operating system. I'd really like to see what happens if Horst downloads one of those images, installs Rev 4.0 fresh, and tries his stack. I'm not saying there definitely is NOT some obscure change made in Rev 4.0 that causes this interaction. But I'm saying it hasn't cropped up before despite extensive usage by hundreds of other people. I'm confident that a configuration change will solve the problem, or failing that we will learn something about the particular usage scenario that needs to be addressed, either by the end user or RunRev. Without going through the troubleshooting process, we will never know. It certainly isn't fair to encounter something like this and throw one's hands up saying, Ah, Rev 4.0 is obvious crap! Richmond wrote: There is a school of thought that RunRev have tried to expand the capabilities of Revolution rather too rapidly, without taking care of some 'nuts-and-bolts' glitches that have been around for some time. Perhaps. But as someone who wrote just over three years ago that Quality is Job #1, I have to disagree with this school. We've come a long, long way. RunRev spent more than a year and a half working on the free-for-almost-everyone Rev 2.9, which addressed hundreds of those issues, re-architected tons of internals, and brought the Linux edition up to speed with the other platforms. The result was a measurable, marked improvement in quality, and a more robust platform that has enabled much-needed nuts-and-bolts enhancements since then: the new tabbed script editor (3.0); the data grid and behaviors (3.5); and the Web plugin (4.0). All of which have been delivered on a predictable schedule with more far more external testing -- both in terms of number of users and length of testing -- than prior versions. At the same time, we have halved the retail price of the product and even introduced the free and highly
Re: Wake up Revolution
Bill Marriott wrote: snip Richmond wrote: There is a school of thought that RunRev have tried to expand the capabilities of Revolution rather too rapidly, without taking care of some 'nuts-and-bolts' glitches that have been around for some time. Perhaps. But as someone who wrote just over three years ago that Quality is Job #1, I have to disagree with this school. We've come a long, long way. RunRev spent more than a year and a half working on the free-for-almost-everyone Rev 2.9, which addressed hundreds of those issues, re-architected tons of internals, and brought the Linux edition up to speed with the other platforms. The result was a measurable, marked improvement in quality, and a more robust platform that has enabled much-needed nuts-and-bolts enhancements since then: the new tabbed script editor (3.0); the data grid and behaviors (3.5); and the Web plugin (4.0). All of which have been delivered on a predictable schedule with more far more external testing -- both in terms of number of users and length of testing -- than prior versions. At the same time, we have halved the retail price of the product and even introduced the free and highly capable revMedia edition while growing in profitability during a time of global economic uncertainty. We still have a ways to go. I realize that we often don't report status in a timely way in the RQCC, and not all the reports we want to have been fixed. There will always be issues with software; the key is choosing the right battles. Overall, we must be doing something right. Thank you, Bill, for this extremely comprehensive and well thought-out reply! sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Wake up Revolution
Good morning Revolution! This morning, it was a nice, sunny morning, I got an E-Mail from you, telling me, that I'm one of the people with a longer experience. For that reason you have a fantastic offer with half the price of RunRev 4.00 Sounds good I thought. But being a carefull person I thought also, better I test befor I buy. That's what I did this evening.The download was, as expected without any problem. A positive surprise after starting was the new Outfit (still using 2.9) Well done! But then,after starting an application, the problems also started. The speed is away from all reallity. (orking on Windows) A ^T blocks the computer for mor than 2 (!!!) minutes and the CPU-usage goes to 100%. Jumping from one to another CD leaves time for boiling water for a tea with a CPU usage of again 100%. I stopped further tests. Dear RunRev Team, I belive, you are working hard and I belive that it is a hard job you do, but you must be joking, if you want to sell this product now! Not for half price and not for less. I'm really sad that I can't buy such a unfinished product. Good night Revolution, It's time to start a revolution to fix the handicaps Kind regards from a still faithfully but sad user Horst Not writing my native language, so please smile if you find wrong words :) -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Wake-up-Revolution-tp621641p621641.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Its amazing how different experiences can be. I have worked 8 hours straight today with 4.0.0 without a single hiccup (except the self-inflicted ones). I think the new release is a major success. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.dxbase.com www.abrohamnealsoftware.com www.sdrsystems.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ DX Cluster: dxc.k3nc.com port 23 On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Inselfan balearenin...@gmx.net wrote: Good morning Revolution! This morning, it was a nice, sunny morning, I got an E-Mail from you, telling me, that I'm one of the people with a longer experience. For that reason you have a fantastic offer with half the price of RunRev 4.00 Sounds good I thought. But being a carefull person I thought also, better I test befor I buy. That's what I did this evening.The download was, as expected without any problem. A positive surprise after starting was the new Outfit (still using 2.9) Well done! But then,after starting an application, the problems also started. The speed is away from all reallity. (orking on Windows) A ^T blocks the computer for mor than 2 (!!!) minutes and the CPU-usage goes to 100%. Jumping from one to another CD leaves time for boiling water for a tea with a CPU usage of again 100%. I stopped further tests. Dear RunRev Team, I belive, you are working hard and I belive that it is a hard job you do, but you must be joking, if you want to sell this product now! Not for half price and not for less. I'm really sad that I can't buy such a unfinished product. Good night Revolution, It's time to start a revolution to fix the handicaps Kind regards from a still faithfully but sad user Horst Not writing my native language, so please smile if you find wrong words :) -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Wake-up-Revolution-tp621641p621641.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
But then,after starting an application, the problems also started. The speed is away from all reallity. (orking on Windows) A ^T blocks the computer for mor than 2 (!!!) minutes and the CPU-usage goes to 100%. Jumping from one to another CD leaves time for boiling water for a tea with a CPU usage of again 100%. I stopped further tests. Hi Horst, I am a Mac user but even so, I haven't heard of any such slowness problems. I find Rev 4 to be faster than ever before. Is this with an existing stack or are you testing with a new stack? If an existing stack, does it run perfectly in earlier version of Rev? Try locking messages before going to a new card - if that fixes the problem, then there is a script that is causing the delay. This seems to be a very unusual case, so I am sure we can solve it if you supply more detail. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Control-T and navigating cards works instantly for me. Windows 7 64-bit and Windows XP (Max OS X Snow Leopard, too.) Haven't heard of this issue from any other of hundreds of beta testers and users. Need details to see what's really going on. Inselfan wrote: A ^T blocks the computer for mor than 2 (!!!) minutes and the CPU-usage goes to 100%. Jumping from one to another CD leaves time for boiling water for a tea with a CPU usage of again 100%. I stopped further tests. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
