Re: [OT] Installing SheepShaver (was Re: Classic Emulators)
--- Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've amended my web page that describes everything step by step to make it easier for others to get started: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/env006.htm Thanks for the guide - I had Basilisk up and running in no time, but Sheepshaver was a tad confusing. [snip] I'm using 8.5 for the same reason. [snip] Ken Ray Actually, Sheepshaver won't boot from my MacOS 8.5 CD (Dutch) so I haven't been able to explore it further. OTOH, it's a copy so I'll hunt for the original CD and see if that does work. While I can understand Apple's decision to not port the Classic environment over to Intel, it would be nice if this were a little easier and sanctioned by the Mothership... Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Installing SheepShaver (was Re: Classic Emulators)
On 10/9/06 7:34 PM, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ken... I created the .dmg file and put it in my SS folder. I mounted it in the SS GUI but when I start SS and bring up OS 9, the .dmg isn't there. Is there something more I need to do? Jim Hmm that's odd - works here for me (but then again, I'm using OS 8.5 in my SS since I don't have OS 9 install disks I can use). What size was the volume of the .dmg you were trying to mount? Here' s the steps I took (maybe there's some difference between what you did and what I did - I'm on 10.4.7, BTW): 1) Launch Disk Utility. 2) Click on the New Image button in the toolbar. 3) In the sheet that's displayed, navigate to the SS folder, and save it as Test, with the size as 40MB, Encryption is none, and Format is read/write disk image. Disk Utility will create the image file Test.dmg, and mount it on the desktop. 4) In Disk Utility, select the Test.dmg image and click the Eject button. 5) Quit Disk Utility. 6) Launch SS GUI. 7) On the Volumes tab, click Add... and select Test.dmg 8) Click Start to run SS. It should mount the volume Test on the desktop. If for some reason it doesn't, you might want to try going into Disk Utility and reformatting the DMG as Mac OS (Standard) instead of Mac OS (Extended). Perhaps that might help... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Installing SheepShaver (was Re: Classic Emulators)
On 9/28/06, Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/27/06 6:53 PM, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I'm having trouble understanding how to install SheepShaver as well. The web site assumes a certain level of technical savvy I don't have. Ken, can you give us a 6 line primer on how to find such things as the OS ROMs, etc?... Jim Here's the steps I followed (found this on the Ambrosia Software Web Board - watch the line breaks) - it's a bit more than 6 lines though grin: snip Many thanks Ken for compiling this guide. I followed up and have now got to the stage where I have to install Mac OS. It rejects my OS 9.1 CD, so I've dug up an old 8.5 installer which I will try next. What OS is anyone else using? If I install 8.5, can I then update to 9.x? Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Installing SheepShaver (was Re: Classic Emulators)
Hi Ken... In your original instructions you didn't mention clicking Start in the SS GUI. I did that and the .dmg mounted right away... Jim on 10/11/06 11:19 AM, Ken Ray wrote: On 10/9/06 7:34 PM, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ken... I created the .dmg file and put it in my SS folder. I mounted it in the SS GUI but when I start SS and bring up OS 9, the .dmg isn't there. Is there something more I need to do? Jim Hmm that's odd - works here for me (but then again, I'm using OS 8.5 in my SS since I don't have OS 9 install disks I can use). What size was the volume of the .dmg you were trying to mount? Here' s the steps I took (maybe there's some difference between what you did and what I did - I'm on 10.4.7, BTW): 1) Launch Disk Utility. 2) Click on the New Image button in the toolbar. 3) In the sheet that's displayed, navigate to the SS folder, and save it as Test, with the size as 40MB, Encryption is none, and Format is read/write disk image. Disk Utility will create the image file Test.dmg, and mount it on the desktop. 4) In Disk Utility, select the Test.dmg image and click the Eject button. 5) Quit Disk Utility. 6) Launch SS GUI. 7) On the Volumes tab, click Add... and select Test.dmg 8) Click Start to run SS. It should mount the volume Test on the desktop. If for some reason it doesn't, you might want to try going into Disk Utility and reformatting the DMG as Mac OS (Standard) instead of Mac OS (Extended). Perhaps that might help... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Installing SheepShaver (was Re: Classic Emulators)
Hi Sarah... I've installed 9.0 easily in SS following Kens easy steps as he outlined. You shouldn't have any problems as long as you se a generic copy as Ken suggests... Jim on 10/11/06 10:00 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: On 9/28/06, Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/27/06 6:53 PM, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I'm having trouble understanding how to install SheepShaver as well. The web site assumes a certain level of technical savvy I don't have. Ken, can you give us a 6 line primer on how to find such things as the OS ROMs, etc?... Jim Here's the steps I followed (found this on the Ambrosia Software Web Board - watch the line breaks) - it's a bit more than 6 lines though grin: snip Many thanks Ken for compiling this guide. I followed up and have now got to the stage where I have to install Mac OS. It rejects my OS 9.1 CD, so I've dug up an old 8.5 installer which I will try next. What OS is anyone else using? If I install 8.5, can I then update to 9.x? Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Installing SheepShaver (was Re: Classic Emulators)
On 10/11/06 8:21 PM, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sarah... I've installed 9.0 easily in SS following Kens easy steps as he outlined. You shouldn't have any problems as long as you se a generic copy as Ken suggests... Jim I've amended my web page that describes everything step by step to make it easier for others to get started: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/env006.htm Many thanks Ken for compiling this guide. I followed up and have now got to the stage where I have to install Mac OS. It rejects my OS 9.1 CD, so I've dug up an old 8.5 installer which I will try next. What OS is anyone else using? I'm using 8.5 for the same reason. If I install 8.5, can I then update to 9.x? Sure - in the same manner as you'd update an old Mac running 8.5... ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Installing SheepShaver (was Re: Classic Emulators)
Hi Ken... I created the .dmg file and put it in my SS folder. I mounted it in the SS GUI but when I start SS and bring up OS 9, the .dmg isn't there. Is there something more I need to do? Jim on 10/3/06 6:08 PM, Ken Ray wrote: Well, it turns out that the instructions for making a shared folder are faulty - apparently shared folders don't work well in the current version of SS. However you can do this instead: Fire up Disk Utility and make a .dmg file that is the size you want to use for sharing. In the SheepShaver GUI window click the Add... button in the Volumes tab, and select the .dmg file you created, and Quit SheepShaver GUI. When you want to copy files from OS X to OS 9, mount your .dmg in OS X by double-clicking it, drag files into it, and then eject the mounted volume. Then, launch SheepShaver and when you get to the OS 9 desktop, you'll have another hard drive there, which is your .dmg file. You can do this in reverse as well to get things from OS 9 to OS X. The only caveat is that you get very unpredictable results if you attempt to keep the .dmg mounted in OS X at the same time as SS is running... files have been lost and the .dmg can get corrupted, so make sure you fully unmount the drive (imagine you're putting something on a floppy in one machine to carry to the next machine). HTH -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Installing SheepShaver (was Re: Classic Emulators)
Hi Ken... Just a couple more questions. I successfully installed Os 9 into SheepShaver. Although I created a hard disk - OS9HD - as you suggested, when I loaded OS 9, it loaded into a hard disk called untitled which I retitled OS9HD when the system was up and running. It seems to be the same disk. At least the untitled disk was the same size as the size I had specified when I set up SheepShaver. I'm wanting to approach SheepShaver like it was the Classic window in OSX on the PPC meaning that I want to access files on my OSX hard disk from the SheepShaver window. However, although I can't anything that looks like a users guide for SheepShaver, it looks like I need to load files and applications into the SheepShaver environment by burning the files I want to move to SheepShaver onto a CD ROM and then reading it in SheepShaver. Jim on 9/27/06 9:16 PM, Ken Ray wrote: On 9/27/06 6:53 PM, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I'm having trouble understanding how to install SheepShaver as well. The web site assumes a certain level of technical savvy I don't have. Ken, can you give us a 6 line primer on how to find such things as the OS ROMs, etc?... Jim Here's the steps I followed (found this on the Ambrosia Software Web Board - watch the line breaks) - it's a bit more than 6 lines though grin: 1. Create a folder for all the SheepShaver data to go into. I would suggest something easy to type, like sheepshaver in your home directory. For the purposes of this, I'll assume that you chose /Users/username/sheepshaver. 2. Create a folder share in the sheepshaver folder (for later). 3. Get a Mac ROM. The one in your Classic system folder may work (I've been told it should, but mine didn't). I would suggest downloading a ROM update from Apple and using TomeViewer to extract the ROM. (TomeViewer is a Classic app itself.) You can get the ROM here: http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/ MultiCountry/Macintosh/System/Mac_OS_ROM/Mac_OS_ROM_Update_1.0.smi.bin And TomeViewer here: http://www.macresource.com/mrp/software/tomeviewer-13d3.sit Find a machine that can run Classic or already has OS 9, download the ROM Update and TomeViewer, decompress them and launch TomeViewer. You can then choos to open a tome, which will be on the disk image for the ROM Update. There's an extract option, so select the ROM file and extract it. However you obtain the ROM, name it ROM and place it inside the sheepshaver folder. 4. Download SheepShaver. (You want the MacOS X Universal Binary near the bottom of the page.) You can get SheepShaver here: http://www.gibix.net/dokuwiki/en:projects:sheepshaver 5. Decompress SheepShaver and put it where you want. I would suggest keeping it seperate from the sheepshaver folder created above, and naming the application folder SheepShaver-May06 (or whatever date the release was). All of the releases for a while have been numbered 2.3, so the only way to tell them apart is the date. 6. Open SheepShaverGUI.app. 7. Create a SheepShaver hard drive. Press Create... in the window that appears. Change the size to something usable; I would suggest 400-600 MB. Navigate to your sheepshaver folder and name the drive something like os9hd. Press OK; it will take a few moments to create the drive (the program hasn't frozen). 8. Change the Unix Root to /Users/username/sheepshaver/share (or wherever your sheepshaver folder is). 9. In the Graphics/Sound tab, make sure that Window mode is selected (fullscreen will freeze in this version!) with a refresh rate of 60hz. Change the width/height to either 640x480, 800x600, or 1024x768, depending on your screen size. I would recommend you use a standard 4:3 resolution (one of the three I listed). Make sure QuickDraw Acceleration is on, and Disable Sound is off (don't worry about the Output and Mixer devices, they aren't used on OS X). 10. In Keyboard/Mouse, turn off Use Raw Keycodes and set Mouse Wheel Function to your liking if you have a mouse wheel (which isn't recognized by OS 9 so SheepShaver has to do something else to pretend). 11. In Serial/Network, make sure slirp is the Ethernet interface. 12. In Memory/Misc, set the RAM size to something reasonable given your computer. 128MB should be more than fine (have it set to 64 just to quickly jump in and out of OS 9, if you're planning on doing a lot you should probably do 128 or higher). Change the ROM path to /Users/username/sheepshaver/ROM (or wherever your sheepshaver folder is). You can use the Browse... button for that. Turn off Ignore Illegal Memory Accesses and turn on Don't Use CPU when idle. 13. Insert your OS 9 (or earlier) install disk, then press the Start buttton at the bottom. It should boot from the CD; you can then initialize your OS 9 hard drive and install OS 9. NOTE: If you are either told that it
Re: [OT] Installing SheepShaver (was Re: Classic Emulators)
On 10/3/06 2:48 PM, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I successfully installed Os 9 into SheepShaver. Although I created a hard disk - OS9HD - as you suggested, when I loaded OS 9, it loaded into a hard disk called untitled which I retitled OS9HD when the system was up and running. It seems to be the same disk. At least the untitled disk was the same size as the size I had specified when I set up SheepShaver. Right. I'm wanting to approach SheepShaver like it was the Classic window in OSX on the PPC meaning that I want to access files on my OSX hard disk from the SheepShaver window. However, although I can't anything that looks like a users guide for SheepShaver, it looks like I need to load files and applications into the SheepShaver environment by burning the files I want to move to SheepShaver onto a CD ROM and then reading it in SheepShaver. Well, it turns out that the instructions for making a shared folder are faulty - apparently shared folders don't work well in the current version of SS. However you can do this instead: Fire up Disk Utility and make a .dmg file that is the size you want to use for sharing. In the SheepShaver GUI window click the Add... button in the Volumes tab, and select the .dmg file you created, and Quit SheepShaver GUI. When you want to copy files from OS X to OS 9, mount your .dmg in OS X by double-clicking it, drag files into it, and then eject the mounted volume. Then, launch SheepShaver and when you get to the OS 9 desktop, you'll have another hard drive there, which is your .dmg file. You can do this in reverse as well to get things from OS 9 to OS X. The only caveat is that you get very unpredictable results if you attempt to keep the .dmg mounted in OS X at the same time as SS is running... files have been lost and the .dmg can get corrupted, so make sure you fully unmount the drive (imagine you're putting something on a floppy in one machine to carry to the next machine). HTH, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Classic Emulators...
Thanks, Ken... Jim on 9/26/06 10:40 PM, Ken Ray wrote: On 9/26/06 7:42 PM, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I need some SheepShaver advice. When I went to download it, it seemed to say that it only runs under BeOS and Linux. No, it runs on Macs as well - I'm running it on my Intel MacBook Pro. Note that the home page: http://sheepshaver.cebix.net/ contains Darwin/ppc as a system to run on - this is Mac PowerPC systems (or under Rosetta on Intel Macs). To download the Mac OS X version (watch the word wrap): http://www.gibix.net/projects/sheepshaver/files/SheepShaver-2.3-0.20060514.1 .MacOSX.tar.bz2 This is version 2.3.0. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Classic Emulators...
Hi Ken. I was going to install Sheepshaver, but could not get it running. Do I have to have to OS 9 already installed? If it's not, how do I go about installing a fresh version of OS9? Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM Now I need some SheepShaver advice. When I went to download it, it seemed to say that it only runs under BeOS and Linux. No, it runs on Macs as well - I'm running it on my Intel MacBook Pro. Note that the home page: ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Classic Emulators...
Actually, I'm having trouble understanding how to install SheepShaver as well. The web site assumes a certain level of technical savvy I don't have. Ken, can you give us a 6 line primer on how to find such things as the OS ROMs, etc?... Jim on 9/27/06 7:50 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: Hi Ken. I was going to install Sheepshaver, but could not get it running. Do I have to have to OS 9 already installed? If it's not, how do I go about installing a fresh version of OS9? Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM Now I need some SheepShaver advice. When I went to download it, it seemed to say that it only runs under BeOS and Linux. No, it runs on Macs as well - I'm running it on my Intel MacBook Pro. Note that the home page: ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Classic Emulators...
On 9/27/06 5:50 PM, Robert Sneidar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ken. I was going to install Sheepshaver, but could not get it running. Do I have to have to OS 9 already installed? If it's not, how do I go about installing a fresh version of OS9? No, you don't need to have OS 9 already installed (in fact, I installed it on my MacBook Pro that can't even *have* OS 9 installed). All you need is SheepShaver 2.3, a valid Mac ROM (instructions are at the SheepShaver site), and a *generic* install disk of OS 8.x or 9.0.x (you can't go over 9.0.4). This means you can't use an install disk from a specific computer purchase because it is targeting a specific Mac model. You need a universal install (as if you'd purchased it at a store). If you have any problems getting it set up, contact me offlist. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Installing SheepShaver (was Re: Classic Emulators)
On 9/27/06 6:53 PM, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I'm having trouble understanding how to install SheepShaver as well. The web site assumes a certain level of technical savvy I don't have. Ken, can you give us a 6 line primer on how to find such things as the OS ROMs, etc?... Jim Here's the steps I followed (found this on the Ambrosia Software Web Board - watch the line breaks) - it's a bit more than 6 lines though grin: 1. Create a folder for all the SheepShaver data to go into. I would suggest something easy to type, like sheepshaver in your home directory. For the purposes of this, I'll assume that you chose /Users/username/sheepshaver. 2. Create a folder share in the sheepshaver folder (for later). 3. Get a Mac ROM. The one in your Classic system folder may work (I've been told it should, but mine didn't). I would suggest downloading a ROM update from Apple and using TomeViewer to extract the ROM. (TomeViewer is a Classic app itself.) You can get the ROM here: http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/ MultiCountry/Macintosh/System/Mac_OS_ROM/Mac_OS_ROM_Update_1.0.smi.bin And TomeViewer here: http://www.macresource.com/mrp/software/tomeviewer-13d3.sit Find a machine that can run Classic or already has OS 9, download the ROM Update and TomeViewer, decompress them and launch TomeViewer. You can then choos to open a tome, which will be on the disk image for the ROM Update. There's an extract option, so select the ROM file and extract it. However you obtain the ROM, name it ROM and place it inside the sheepshaver folder. 4. Download SheepShaver. (You want the MacOS X Universal Binary near the bottom of the page.) You can get SheepShaver here: http://www.gibix.net/dokuwiki/en:projects:sheepshaver 5. Decompress SheepShaver and put it where you want. I would suggest keeping it seperate from the sheepshaver folder created above, and naming the application folder SheepShaver-May06 (or whatever date the release was). All of the releases for a while have been numbered 2.3, so the only way to tell them apart is the date. 6. Open SheepShaverGUI.app. 7. Create a SheepShaver hard drive. Press Create... in the window that appears. Change the size to something usable; I would suggest 400-600 MB. Navigate to your sheepshaver folder and name the drive something like os9hd. Press OK; it will take a few moments to create the drive (the program hasn't frozen). 8. Change the Unix Root to /Users/username/sheepshaver/share (or wherever your sheepshaver folder is). 9. In the Graphics/Sound tab, make sure that Window mode is selected (fullscreen will freeze in this version!) with a refresh rate of 60hz. Change the width/height to either 640x480, 800x600, or 1024x768, depending on your screen size. I would recommend you use a standard 4:3 resolution (one of the three I listed). Make sure QuickDraw Acceleration is on, and Disable Sound is off (don't worry about the Output and Mixer devices, they aren't used on OS X). 10. In Keyboard/Mouse, turn off Use Raw Keycodes and set Mouse Wheel Function to your liking if you have a mouse wheel (which isn't recognized by OS 9 so SheepShaver has to do something else to pretend). 11. In Serial/Network, make sure slirp is the Ethernet interface. 12. In Memory/Misc, set the RAM size to something reasonable given your computer. 128MB should be more than fine (have it set to 64 just to quickly jump in and out of OS 9, if you're planning on doing a lot you should probably do 128 or higher). Change the ROM path to /Users/username/sheepshaver/ROM (or wherever your sheepshaver folder is). You can use the Browse... button for that. Turn off Ignore Illegal Memory Accesses and turn on Don't Use CPU when idle. 13. Insert your OS 9 (or earlier) install disk, then press the Start buttton at the bottom. It should boot from the CD; you can then initialize your OS 9 hard drive and install OS 9. NOTE: If you are either told that it crashed (less likely) or you get the standard question mark blinking in the disk icon, don't panic. Sometimes this happens. If so, quit SheepShaver (you may have to force quit), and then with your OS 9 disk in the drive, launch the SheepShaver.app application (NOT the SheepShaver GUI app). It should kick in and recognize the CD and boot from there. 15. Use Special - Shutdown to always shut down SheepShaver (just like a real Mac). After the install, shut down and remove the CD. Run SheepShaver.app again. Open the Sound (not Moniters and Sound) control panel and set the output correctly so you can hear sound. Sound and networking should both work; you're good to go! HTH, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
Re: [OT] Installing SheepShaver (was Re: Classic Emulators)
Thanks, Ken... I'll give it a shot... Jim on 9/27/06 9:16 PM, Ken Ray wrote: On 9/27/06 6:53 PM, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I'm having trouble understanding how to install SheepShaver as well. The web site assumes a certain level of technical savvy I don't have. Ken, can you give us a 6 line primer on how to find such things as the OS ROMs, etc?... Jim Here's the steps I followed (found this on the Ambrosia Software Web Board - watch the line breaks) - it's a bit more than 6 lines though grin: 1. Create a folder for all the SheepShaver data to go into. I would suggest something easy to type, like sheepshaver in your home directory. For the purposes of this, I'll assume that you chose /Users/username/sheepshaver. 2. Create a folder share in the sheepshaver folder (for later). 3. Get a Mac ROM. The one in your Classic system folder may work (I've been told it should, but mine didn't). I would suggest downloading a ROM update from Apple and using TomeViewer to extract the ROM. (TomeViewer is a Classic app itself.) You can get the ROM here: http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/ MultiCountry/Macintosh/System/Mac_OS_ROM/Mac_OS_ROM_Update_1.0.smi.bin And TomeViewer here: http://www.macresource.com/mrp/software/tomeviewer-13d3.sit Find a machine that can run Classic or already has OS 9, download the ROM Update and TomeViewer, decompress them and launch TomeViewer. You can then choos to open a tome, which will be on the disk image for the ROM Update. There's an extract option, so select the ROM file and extract it. However you obtain the ROM, name it ROM and place it inside the sheepshaver folder. 4. Download SheepShaver. (You want the MacOS X Universal Binary near the bottom of the page.) You can get SheepShaver here: http://www.gibix.net/dokuwiki/en:projects:sheepshaver 5. Decompress SheepShaver and put it where you want. I would suggest keeping it seperate from the sheepshaver folder created above, and naming the application folder SheepShaver-May06 (or whatever date the release was). All of the releases for a while have been numbered 2.3, so the only way to tell them apart is the date. 6. Open SheepShaverGUI.app. 7. Create a SheepShaver hard drive. Press Create... in the window that appears. Change the size to something usable; I would suggest 400-600 MB. Navigate to your sheepshaver folder and name the drive something like os9hd. Press OK; it will take a few moments to create the drive (the program hasn't frozen). 8. Change the Unix Root to /Users/username/sheepshaver/share (or wherever your sheepshaver folder is). 9. In the Graphics/Sound tab, make sure that Window mode is selected (fullscreen will freeze in this version!) with a refresh rate of 60hz. Change the width/height to either 640x480, 800x600, or 1024x768, depending on your screen size. I would recommend you use a standard 4:3 resolution (one of the three I listed). Make sure QuickDraw Acceleration is on, and Disable Sound is off (don't worry about the Output and Mixer devices, they aren't used on OS X). 10. In Keyboard/Mouse, turn off Use Raw Keycodes and set Mouse Wheel Function to your liking if you have a mouse wheel (which isn't recognized by OS 9 so SheepShaver has to do something else to pretend). 11. In Serial/Network, make sure slirp is the Ethernet interface. 12. In Memory/Misc, set the RAM size to something reasonable given your computer. 128MB should be more than fine (have it set to 64 just to quickly jump in and out of OS 9, if you're planning on doing a lot you should probably do 128 or higher). Change the ROM path to /Users/username/sheepshaver/ROM (or wherever your sheepshaver folder is). You can use the Browse... button for that. Turn off Ignore Illegal Memory Accesses and turn on Don't Use CPU when idle. 13. Insert your OS 9 (or earlier) install disk, then press the Start buttton at the bottom. It should boot from the CD; you can then initialize your OS 9 hard drive and install OS 9. NOTE: If you are either told that it crashed (less likely) or you get the standard question mark blinking in the disk icon, don't panic. Sometimes this happens. If so, quit SheepShaver (you may have to force quit), and then with your OS 9 disk in the drive, launch the SheepShaver.app application (NOT the SheepShaver GUI app). It should kick in and recognize the CD and boot from there. 15. Use Special - Shutdown to always shut down SheepShaver (just like a real Mac). After the install, shut down and remove the CD. Run SheepShaver.app again. Open the Sound (not Moniters and Sound) control panel and set the output correctly so you can hear sound. Sound and networking should both work; you're good to go! HTH, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Installing SheepShaver (was Re: Classic Emulators)
On 9/27/06 7:27 PM, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Ken... I'll give it a shot... Jim And TomeViewer here: http://www.macresource.com/mrp/software/tomeviewer-13d3.sit Whoops! Made a mistake on this one - the link is broken. A working link is: http://mintac.mac.tucows.com/files/tomeviewer.sit BTW, I've also put this as a tip on my site for posterity: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/env006.htm Enjoy! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Classic Emulators...
I have it on good authority from a PC tech I respect when I asked him the same questions that AVG http://www.filehippo.com/download_avg_antivirus/ is very good... Jim on 9/26/06 6:33 AM, Luis wrote: Simple? Nope. Well, don't hook it up to the internet. If you do, at the very least ensure the Windows firewall is activated and check it's settings: Only open ports that you need open. Make sure Automatic Updates is running and that these run DAILY. Not so 'simple'? Well, for a single user system, at home, I'd recommend the Norton Internet Security package (covers all sorts of viruses and malware and has a very good firewall). It can be flaky at times (not shutting down properly when shutting down/restarting the PC) but sorts itself out if you keep it updated (through LiveUpdate). Norton Internet Security (or any other combined Anti-Virus app) can be quite a load on the system if your resources are low - Your mileage WILL vary. There are freebie apps (WinPooch plus ClamWin, AVG, Search and Destroy, among others) but it's hard to find decent recommendations. If you're running a separate firewall, say through your broadband modem/router, then you can limit the traffic from there (depends on the specs!) so going for the freebies would be ok for looking after the bits that 'fall through'. Hope that helps! Cheers, Luis. Jim Carwardine wrote: This is a whole new (and ugly) world to me, having managed to totally ignore PCs up until now. Is there a simple, thorough way of (application for) handling these vulnerabilities? Jim on 9/25/06 9:39 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: Yes. Running Windows on Parallels gives you essentially the same vulnerabilities as running Windows on any other kind of PC. Viruses, malware, popups, etc. the whole nine yards. Bill On Sep 25, 2006, at 3:53 AM, Jim Carwardine wrote: Just one more slightly [OT] question... Do I need to keep up to date with the latest virus checkers using Windows with Parallel on the Mac? Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Classic Emulators...
Now I need some SheepShaver advice. When I went to download it, it seemed to say that it only runs under BeOS and Linux. Further down the home page it gives links (under Random Links heading) to an apparently Japanese only version that runs under Windows. I was under the impression that it was a Windows-based app. Which version is appropriate... Jim on 9/18/06 3:39 PM, Jim Carwardine wrote: Hi Folks... I'm about to receive my new MacBook Pro and am wondering if anyone has used any of the Classic emulators like SheepShaver to run Rev standalones... [OT] I also have a system I run my business with that is written in HyperCard that I haven't taken the time to convert to Rev (uses many XCMDs). Does anyone know if any of these Classic emulators will run HyperCard? Jim -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Classic Emulators...
On 9/26/06 7:42 PM, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I need some SheepShaver advice. When I went to download it, it seemed to say that it only runs under BeOS and Linux. No, it runs on Macs as well - I'm running it on my Intel MacBook Pro. Note that the home page: http://sheepshaver.cebix.net/ contains Darwin/ppc as a system to run on - this is Mac PowerPC systems (or under Rosetta on Intel Macs). To download the Mac OS X version (watch the word wrap): http://www.gibix.net/projects/sheepshaver/files/SheepShaver-2.3-0.20060514.1 .MacOSX.tar.bz2 This is version 2.3.0. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Classic Emulators...
Just one more slightly [OT] question... Do I need to keep up to date with the latest virus checkers using Windows with Parallel on the Mac? Jim on 9/18/06 4:25 PM, Ken Ray wrote: On 9/18/06 1:39 PM, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks... I'm about to receive my new MacBook Pro and am wondering if anyone has used any of the Classic emulators like SheepShaver to run Rev standalones... [OT] I also have a system I run my business with that is written in HyperCard that I haven't taken the time to convert to Rev (uses many XCMDs). Does anyone know if any of these Classic emulators will run HyperCard? Jim Yes and Yes...SheepShaver runs Classic Rev apps and HyperCard just fine. You can't load an OS later than 9.0.4 though, so if there's something you need in a later OS 9 built you're SOL... But other than that it works well for me. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Classic Emulators...
On 9/25/06 5:53 AM, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just one more slightly [OT] question... Do I need to keep up to date with the latest virus checkers using Windows with Parallel on the Mac? Jim Only if you give it access to the Internet... ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Classic Emulators...
Yes. Running Windows on Parallels gives you essentially the same vulnerabilities as running Windows on any other kind of PC. Viruses, malware, popups, etc. the whole nine yards. Bill On Sep 25, 2006, at 3:53 AM, Jim Carwardine wrote: Just one more slightly [OT] question... Do I need to keep up to date with the latest virus checkers using Windows with Parallel on the Mac? Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Classic Emulators...
This is a whole new (and ugly) world to me, having managed to totally ignore PCs up until now. Is there a simple, thorough way of (application for) handling these vulnerabilities? Jim on 9/25/06 9:39 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: Yes. Running Windows on Parallels gives you essentially the same vulnerabilities as running Windows on any other kind of PC. Viruses, malware, popups, etc. the whole nine yards. Bill On Sep 25, 2006, at 3:53 AM, Jim Carwardine wrote: Just one more slightly [OT] question... Do I need to keep up to date with the latest virus checkers using Windows with Parallel on the Mac? Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Classic Emulators...
Hi Folks... I'm about to receive my new MacBook Pro and am wondering if anyone has used any of the Classic emulators like SheepShaver to run Rev standalones... [OT] I also have a system I run my business with that is written in HyperCard that I haven't taken the time to convert to Rev (uses many XCMDs). Does anyone know if any of these Classic emulators will run HyperCard? Jim -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Classic Emulators...
On 9/18/06 1:39 PM, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks... I'm about to receive my new MacBook Pro and am wondering if anyone has used any of the Classic emulators like SheepShaver to run Rev standalones... [OT] I also have a system I run my business with that is written in HyperCard that I haven't taken the time to convert to Rev (uses many XCMDs). Does anyone know if any of these Classic emulators will run HyperCard? Jim Yes and Yes...SheepShaver runs Classic Rev apps and HyperCard just fine. You can't load an OS later than 9.0.4 though, so if there's something you need in a later OS 9 built you're SOL... But other than that it works well for me. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Classic Emulators...
Thanks, Ken... No mostly the apps I run in Classic are years old and would run on OS 2... Jim on 9/18/06 4:25 PM, Ken Ray wrote: On 9/18/06 1:39 PM, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks... I'm about to receive my new MacBook Pro and am wondering if anyone has used any of the Classic emulators like SheepShaver to run Rev standalones... [OT] I also have a system I run my business with that is written in HyperCard that I haven't taken the time to convert to Rev (uses many XCMDs). Does anyone know if any of these Classic emulators will run HyperCard? Jim Yes and Yes...SheepShaver runs Classic Rev apps and HyperCard just fine. You can't load an OS later than 9.0.4 though, so if there's something you need in a later OS 9 built you're SOL... But other than that it works well for me. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: emulators
OK, Ok, if one wants to go through hoops to use this stuff. I just know I have old macs lying around that I can't give away that would be easier to use than buying into this emulator package, ROM cards, etc. And it's no good for OSX. I was wrong before... pre OS 9 software is really dead; Apple's making sure it is going away fast. And there is also http://www.softmac2000.com/ If you already own the Mac hardware, it is perfectly legal to emulate your Mac on another machine (although not running simultaneously). We had a 68040 Mac Quadra that died years ago, so we used its ROM in an emulator. When you are porting HyperCard stacks to Revolution on a Windows machine, it is nice to be able to run HyperCard in OS 8.1 so I can visually see the differences. Of course Apple would not be at all happy if OS X were being emulated. ~Roger Sure there is! http://www.maconlinux.org/ Among others. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: emulators
Stay away from emulators inc. (emulators.com) and any softmac product. They are notorius for ripping off the community, the author is the equilvent of Dr. Derek Smart :D Although, he does have fusion PC, purchased from a leading company in macintosh emulation, it's free and a hundred times better than softmac. Although it is a dos application Otherwise, there is a new PowerPC emulator around, it's only in early stages but you are able to run a few things. It requires linux and can be found on source forge, I'm not on my computer at the moment and cant think of the name I'm sure it runs OS 9, but I don't think it runs 10/X... Since it's only in alpha stages thats to be expected, but if you were ever tracking the mac emulation scene, the power pc emulator was promised 5 years ago.. I'm just so glad that it's finally here, abit incomplete but still!! :D From: Stephen Quinn Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: emulators Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:42:27 -0800 OK, Ok, if one wants to go through hoops to use this stuff. I just know I have old macs lying around that I can't give away that would be easier to use than buying into this emulator package, ROM cards, etc. And it's no good for OSX. I was wrong before... pre OS 9 software is really dead; Apple's making sure it is going away fast. And there is also http://www.softmac2000.com/ If you already own the Mac hardware, it is perfectly legal to emulate your Mac on another machine (although not running simultaneously). We had a 68040 Mac Quadra that died years ago, so we used its ROM in an emulator. When you are porting HyperCard stacks to Revolution on a Windows machine, it is nice to be able to run HyperCard in OS 8.1 so I can visually see the differences. Of course Apple would not be at all happy if OS X were being emulated. ~Roger Sure there is! http://www.maconlinux.org/ Among others. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _ Get less junk mail with ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
