Re: [X-Mas Gift] Panel discussion about Karaf 5

[Alex Weirig]

Hi JB,

sounds great. I'll have to keep an eye on 5 then.

Thanks.

Mat frëndleche Gréiss, Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Meilleures salutations, 
Kind regards,

Alex Weirig
Responsable Technique Ville de Luxembourg Service Enseignement Centre 
Technolink *Tel* +352 4796 - 6127  *Fax* +352 42 88 81 
*Email* alex.wei...@technolink.lu  
www.vdl.lu  // www.technolink.lu 
 Centre Technolink 2, rue Charles de Tornaco 
L-2623 LUXEMBOURG


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On 17/12/2020 17:08, Jean-Baptiste Onofre wrote:

Hi,

That’s exactly the purpose of extension in replacement of features: 
Karaf will provides kind of "extension store", with "approved" 
functionalities.


You can see a extensions proto set here:

https://github.com/jbonofre/karaf5/tree/main/extensions 



It’s exactly what you are describing: you have the extension market 
store, and I will also add "extension bom" for developers (for now, 
extensions are runtime).


Here’s the code to start Karaf with extension:


        KarafConfig config = KarafConfig.builder()
                .homeDirectory("karaf")
                .dataDirectory("karaf/data")
                .cacheDirectory("karaf/data/cache")
                .build();
        karaf = Karaf.build(config);
        karaf.init();
karaf.addExtension("mvn:org.apache.karaf.extensions/log/5.0.0-SNAPSHOT");

Then, you can simple run karaf with java -jar my-karaf.jar

With this approach, it’s very easy to have an UI to create this code.

Regards
JB


Le 17 déc. 2020 à 14:29, Alex Weirig > a écrit :


Dear all,

imho, one of the biggest issues with (karaf) is that you need to know 
where you get the right bundles/features from. If I want to do JAX-RS 
with Whiteboard, what repo do I need to add? What version? How do I 
even know I need to add a repo and where to find the right address 
for that repo?



I'm sure you all have been through trying to figure out what you need 
to add to karaf in order to have it support the features you need.


Once you've done it, you better take note of it, because next time 
you setup a new karaf instance you might have to figure it out again. 
But maybe in the mean time, Aries has changed a couple of things, 
versions have changed (for sure) etc.



Isn't it so much easier on our smartphones and even computers? ... We 
go to the app store, search for an app and once we've bought it, if 
we want to re-install it, it's still there, probably even with a new 
version.



Now, I'm not asking for a karaf app store but what about a "wizard" 
where you can pick from some of the most common use cases we all love 
to see running in our karaf instances.


This could be some kind of a list:

  * DS
  * Webconsole
  * JAX-RS with Whiteboard
  * JPA ...
  * Blueprint ...
  * your favorites here

and you pick what you need and karaf (somehow) knows what repos to 
add and what to install from the repos.


Seconds later, you get your new karaf instance up and running.


Is there anyone else thinking that this could be useful or am I the 
only one struggling with these issues? That would be my Xmas wish for 
Karaf 5.x.



Merry Xmas and a wonderful healthy Happy New Year 2021 to all of you. 
Take care and stay healthy.


Mat frëndleche Gréiss, Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Meilleures 
salutations, Kind regards,

Alex Weirig
Responsable Technique Ville de Luxembourg Service Enseignement Centre 
Technolink *Tel* +352 4796 - 6127  *Fax* +352 42 88 
81 *Email* alex.wei...@technolink.lu 
 www.vdl.lu  // 
www.technolink.lu  Centre Technolink 2, 
rue Charles de Tornaco L-2623 LUXEMBOURG

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//schaufel.besten.kopie

//supposons.levage.venger

On 15/12/2020 18:32, Jean-Baptiste Onofre wrote:

Hi guys,

Maybe some of you know that I started to work on Karaf 5.

I have something that it’s almost "usable".

Before sending a global discussion thread on the mailing list, I would like to 
evaluate the ideas & big changes I did.

I would like to know if some of you would be interested by a panel discussion 
call to introduce Karaf 5 (limited audience at first step).

The agenda of this call would be:
1. Pros/Cons about Karaf as it is today
2. Concepts in Karaf 5 (module, extension, …)
3. Building & running
4. Live demo

It could be recorded/webinar style (not necessary live call) for about 20 
people at first step (both Karaf developers and users).
The purpose is to evaluate the direction.

Thoughts ?

Re: [X-Mas Gift] Panel discussion about Karaf 5

[Jean-Baptiste Onofre]

Hi,

That’s exactly the purpose of extension in replacement of features: Karaf will 
provides kind of "extension store", with "approved" functionalities.

You can see a extensions proto set here:

https://github.com/jbonofre/karaf5/tree/main/extensions 


It’s exactly what you are describing: you have the extension market store, and 
I will also add "extension bom" for developers (for now, extensions are 
runtime).

Here’s the code to start Karaf with extension:


KarafConfig config = KarafConfig.builder()
.homeDirectory("karaf")
.dataDirectory("karaf/data")
.cacheDirectory("karaf/data/cache")
.build();
karaf = Karaf.build(config);
karaf.init();

karaf.addExtension("mvn:org.apache.karaf.extensions/log/5.0.0-SNAPSHOT");

Then, you can simple run karaf with java -jar my-karaf.jar

With this approach, it’s very easy to have an UI to create this code.

Regards
JB


> Le 17 déc. 2020 à 14:29, Alex Weirig  a écrit :
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> imho, one of the biggest issues with (karaf) is that you need to know where 
> you get the right bundles/features from. If I want to do JAX-RS with 
> Whiteboard, what repo do I need to add? What version? How do I even know I 
> need to add a repo and where to find the right address for that repo?
> 
> 
> 
> I'm sure you all have been through trying to figure out what you need to add 
> to karaf in order to have it support the features you need.
> 
> Once you've done it, you better take note of it, because next time you setup 
> a new karaf instance you might have to figure it out again. But maybe in the 
> mean time, Aries has changed a couple of things, versions have changed (for 
> sure) etc.
> 
> 
> 
> Isn't it so much easier on our smartphones and even computers? ... We go to 
> the app store, search for an app and once we've bought it, if we want to 
> re-install it, it's still there, probably even with a new version.
> 
> 
> 
> Now, I'm not asking for a karaf app store but what about a "wizard" where you 
> can pick from some of the most common use cases we all love to see running in 
> our karaf instances.
> 
> This could be some kind of a list:
> 
> DS
> Webconsole
> JAX-RS with Whiteboard
> JPA ...
> Blueprint ...
> your favorites here
> and you pick what you need and karaf (somehow) knows what repos to add and 
> what to install from the repos.
> 
> Seconds later, you get your new karaf instance up and running.
> 
> 
> 
> Is there anyone else thinking that this could be useful or am I the only one 
> struggling with these issues? That would be my Xmas wish for Karaf 5.x.
> 
> 
> 
> Merry Xmas and a wonderful healthy Happy New Year 2021 to all of you. Take 
> care and stay healthy.
> 
> 
> Mat frëndleche Gréiss,
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
> Meilleures salutations,
> Kind regards,
> 
> Alex Weirig
> Responsable Technique
> Ville de Luxembourg
> Service Enseignement
> Centre Technolink
> 
> Tel +352 4796 - 6127 
> Fax +352 42 88 81
> Email alex.wei...@technolink.lu 
> www.vdl.lu  // www.technolink.lu 
> 
> 
> Centre Technolink
> 2, rue Charles de Tornaco 
> L-2623 LUXEMBOURG
> 
> indoors.this.blesses
>  schaufel.besten.kopie
>  supposons.levage.venger
>  
> On 15/12/2020 18:32, Jean-Baptiste Onofre wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> Maybe some of you know that I started to work on Karaf 5.
>> 
>> I have something that it’s almost "usable".
>> 
>> Before sending a global discussion thread on the mailing list, I would like 
>> to evaluate the ideas & big changes I did.
>> 
>> I would like to know if some of you would be interested by a panel 
>> discussion call to introduce Karaf 5 (limited audience at first step).
>> 
>> The agenda of this call would be:
>> 1. Pros/Cons about Karaf as it is today
>> 2. Concepts in Karaf 5 (module, extension, …)
>> 3. Building & running
>> 4. Live demo
>> 
>> It could be recorded/webinar style (not necessary live call) for about 20 
>> people at first step (both Karaf developers and users).
>> The purpose is to evaluate the direction.
>> 
>> Thoughts ?
>> Who would be interested ?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Regards
>> JB

Re: [X-Mas Gift] Panel discussion about Karaf 5

[Daniel Las]

Thank you JB, I'm waiting for the schedule proposal then.


Regarards

czw., 17 gru 2020 o 09:07 Jean-Baptiste Onofre  napisał(a):

> Hi Daniel,
>
> I don’t know yet. My first intention was to register a session and share
> with you. However, I received several people who wants to live chat. So I’m
> checking between work and off agenda to find some slots to propose to you.
>
> It might be a first introduction email before Christmas (for people who
> replied to my email) and then a live session (google meet for instance).
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> Le 17 déc. 2020 à 07:45, Daniel Las  a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to attend too. What's the planned schedule?
>
> Regards
>
> wt., 15 gru 2020 o 18:32 Jean-Baptiste Onofre 
> napisał(a):
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Maybe some of you know that I started to work on Karaf 5.
>>
>> I have something that it’s almost "usable".
>>
>> Before sending a global discussion thread on the mailing list, I would
>> like to evaluate the ideas & big changes I did.
>>
>> I would like to know if some of you would be interested by a panel
>> discussion call to introduce Karaf 5 (limited audience at first step).
>>
>> The agenda of this call would be:
>> 1. Pros/Cons about Karaf as it is today
>> 2. Concepts in Karaf 5 (module, extension, …)
>> 3. Building & running
>> 4. Live demo
>>
>> It could be recorded/webinar style (not necessary live call) for about 20
>> people at first step (both Karaf developers and users).
>> The purpose is to evaluate the direction.
>>
>> Thoughts ?
>> Who would be interested ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Regards
>> JB
>
>
>
> --
> Daniel Łaś
> CTO at Empirica S.A.
> +48 695 616181
>
>
>

-- 
Daniel Łaś
CTO at Empirica S.A.
+48 695 616181

Re: [X-Mas Gift] Panel discussion about Karaf 5

[Alex Weirig]

Dear all,

imho, one of the biggest issues with (karaf) is that you need to know 
where you get the right bundles/features from. If I want to do JAX-RS 
with Whiteboard, what repo do I need to add? What version? How do I even 
know I need to add a repo and where to find the right address for that repo?



I'm sure you all have been through trying to figure out what you need to 
add to karaf in order to have it support the features you need.


Once you've done it, you better take note of it, because next time you 
setup a new karaf instance you might have to figure it out again. But 
maybe in the mean time, Aries has changed a couple of things, versions 
have changed (for sure) etc.



Isn't it so much easier on our smartphones and even computers? ... We go 
to the app store, search for an app and once we've bought it, if we want 
to re-install it, it's still there, probably even with a new version.



Now, I'm not asking for a karaf app store but what about a "wizard" 
where you can pick from some of the most common use cases we all love to 
see running in our karaf instances.


This could be some kind of a list:

 * DS
 * Webconsole
 * JAX-RS with Whiteboard
 * JPA ...
 * Blueprint ...
 * your favorites here

and you pick what you need and karaf (somehow) knows what repos to add 
and what to install from the repos.


Seconds later, you get your new karaf instance up and running.


Is there anyone else thinking that this could be useful or am I the only 
one struggling with these issues? That would be my Xmas wish for Karaf 5.x.



Merry Xmas and a wonderful healthy Happy New Year 2021 to all of you. 
Take care and stay healthy.


Mat frëndleche Gréiss, Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Meilleures salutations, 
Kind regards,

Alex Weirig
Responsable Technique Ville de Luxembourg Service Enseignement Centre 
Technolink *Tel* +352 4796 - 6127  *Fax* +352 42 88 81 
*Email* alex.wei...@technolink.lu  
www.vdl.lu  // www.technolink.lu 
 Centre Technolink 2, rue Charles de Tornaco 
L-2623 LUXEMBOURG


//indoors.this.blesses

//schaufel.besten.kopie

//supposons.levage.venger

On 15/12/2020 18:32, Jean-Baptiste Onofre wrote:

Hi guys,

Maybe some of you know that I started to work on Karaf 5.

I have something that it’s almost "usable".

Before sending a global discussion thread on the mailing list, I would like to 
evaluate the ideas & big changes I did.

I would like to know if some of you would be interested by a panel discussion 
call to introduce Karaf 5 (limited audience at first step).

The agenda of this call would be:
1. Pros/Cons about Karaf as it is today
2. Concepts in Karaf 5 (module, extension, …)
3. Building & running
4. Live demo

It could be recorded/webinar style (not necessary live call) for about 20 
people at first step (both Karaf developers and users).
The purpose is to evaluate the direction.

Thoughts ?
Who would be interested ?

Thanks,
Regards
JB
<>

Re: [X-Mas Gift] Panel discussion about Karaf 5

[Jean-Baptiste Onofre]

Hi Daniel,

I don’t know yet. My first intention was to register a session and share with 
you. However, I received several people who wants to live chat. So I’m checking 
between work and off agenda to find some slots to propose to you.

It might be a first introduction email before Christmas (for people who replied 
to my email) and then a live session (google meet for instance).

Regards
JB

> Le 17 déc. 2020 à 07:45, Daniel Las  a écrit :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'd like to attend too. What's the planned schedule?
> 
> Regards
> 
> wt., 15 gru 2020 o 18:32 Jean-Baptiste Onofre  > napisał(a):
> Hi guys,
> 
> Maybe some of you know that I started to work on Karaf 5.
> 
> I have something that it’s almost "usable".
> 
> Before sending a global discussion thread on the mailing list, I would like 
> to evaluate the ideas & big changes I did.
> 
> I would like to know if some of you would be interested by a panel discussion 
> call to introduce Karaf 5 (limited audience at first step).
> 
> The agenda of this call would be:
> 1. Pros/Cons about Karaf as it is today
> 2. Concepts in Karaf 5 (module, extension, …)
> 3. Building & running
> 4. Live demo
> 
> It could be recorded/webinar style (not necessary live call) for about 20 
> people at first step (both Karaf developers and users).
> The purpose is to evaluate the direction.
> 
> Thoughts ?
> Who would be interested ?
> 
> Thanks,
> Regards
> JB
> 
> 
> -- 
> Daniel Łaś
> CTO at Empirica S.A.
> +48 695 616181

Re: [X-Mas Gift] Panel discussion about Karaf 5

[Daniel Las]

Hi,

I'd like to attend too. What's the planned schedule?

Regards

wt., 15 gru 2020 o 18:32 Jean-Baptiste Onofre  napisał(a):

> Hi guys,
>
> Maybe some of you know that I started to work on Karaf 5.
>
> I have something that it’s almost "usable".
>
> Before sending a global discussion thread on the mailing list, I would
> like to evaluate the ideas & big changes I did.
>
> I would like to know if some of you would be interested by a panel
> discussion call to introduce Karaf 5 (limited audience at first step).
>
> The agenda of this call would be:
> 1. Pros/Cons about Karaf as it is today
> 2. Concepts in Karaf 5 (module, extension, …)
> 3. Building & running
> 4. Live demo
>
> It could be recorded/webinar style (not necessary live call) for about 20
> people at first step (both Karaf developers and users).
> The purpose is to evaluate the direction.
>
> Thoughts ?
> Who would be interested ?
>
> Thanks,
> Regards
> JB



-- 
Daniel Łaś
CTO at Empirica S.A.
+48 695 616181

Re: [X-Mas Gift] Panel discussion about Karaf 5

[michael e]

Hello JB,

I'm interested.
Thank for your great work again.

Michael.


From: Jean-Baptiste Onofre 
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020, 6:32 PM
To: d...@karaf.apache.org; user@karaf.apache.org
Subject: [X-Mas Gift] Panel discussion about Karaf 5

Hi guys,

Maybe some of you know that I started to work on Karaf 5.

I have something that it’s almost "usable".

Before sending a global discussion thread on the mailing list, I would like to 
evaluate the ideas & big changes I did.

I would like to know if some of you would be interested by a panel discussion 
call to introduce Karaf 5 (limited audience at first step).

The agenda of this call would be:
1. Pros/Cons about Karaf as it is today
2. Concepts in Karaf 5 (module, extension, …)
3. Building & running
4. Live demo

It could be recorded/webinar style (not necessary live call) for about 20 
people at first step (both Karaf developers and users).
The purpose is to evaluate the direction.

Thoughts ?
Who would be interested ?

Thanks,
Regards
JB

Re: [X-Mas Gift] Panel discussion about Karaf 5

[Francois Papon]

Hi,

I'm also happy to see all the user feedback around Karaf 5.

Thanks guys to help us to make Karaf better!

regards,

François
fpa...@apache.org

Le 17/12/2020 à 06:06, Jean-Baptiste Onofre a écrit :
> Thanks a lot guys for all your interest and positive feedback !
>
> I will send an invite soon.
>
> Thanks !
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>> Le 15 déc. 2020 à 18:32, Jean-Baptiste Onofre  a écrit :
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Maybe some of you know that I started to work on Karaf 5.
>>
>> I have something that it’s almost "usable".
>>
>> Before sending a global discussion thread on the mailing list, I would like 
>> to evaluate the ideas & big changes I did.
>>
>> I would like to know if some of you would be interested by a panel 
>> discussion call to introduce Karaf 5 (limited audience at first step).
>>
>> The agenda of this call would be:
>> 1. Pros/Cons about Karaf as it is today
>> 2. Concepts in Karaf 5 (module, extension, …)
>> 3. Building & running
>> 4. Live demo
>>
>> It could be recorded/webinar style (not necessary live call) for about 20 
>> people at first step (both Karaf developers and users).
>> The purpose is to evaluate the direction.
>>
>> Thoughts ?
>> Who would be interested ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Regards
>> JB

Re: [X-Mas Gift] Panel discussion about Karaf 5

[Jean-Baptiste Onofre]

Thanks a lot guys for all your interest and positive feedback !

I will send an invite soon.

Thanks !

Regards
JB

> Le 15 déc. 2020 à 18:32, Jean-Baptiste Onofre  a écrit :
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Maybe some of you know that I started to work on Karaf 5.
> 
> I have something that it’s almost "usable".
> 
> Before sending a global discussion thread on the mailing list, I would like 
> to evaluate the ideas & big changes I did.
> 
> I would like to know if some of you would be interested by a panel discussion 
> call to introduce Karaf 5 (limited audience at first step).
> 
> The agenda of this call would be:
> 1. Pros/Cons about Karaf as it is today
> 2. Concepts in Karaf 5 (module, extension, …)
> 3. Building & running
> 4. Live demo
> 
> It could be recorded/webinar style (not necessary live call) for about 20 
> people at first step (both Karaf developers and users).
> The purpose is to evaluate the direction.
> 
> Thoughts ?
> Who would be interested ?
> 
> Thanks,
> Regards
> JB

Re: [X-Mas Gift] Panel discussion about Karaf 5

[Matteo Rulli]

Hello,

I would like to participate very much indeed.

Thanks,
Matteo

> On 15 Dec 2020, at 18:32, Jean-Baptiste Onofre  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Maybe some of you know that I started to work on Karaf 5.
> 
> I have something that it’s almost "usable".
> 
> Before sending a global discussion thread on the mailing list, I would like 
> to evaluate the ideas & big changes I did.
> 
> I would like to know if some of you would be interested by a panel discussion 
> call to introduce Karaf 5 (limited audience at first step).
> 
> The agenda of this call would be:
> 1. Pros/Cons about Karaf as it is today
> 2. Concepts in Karaf 5 (module, extension, …)
> 3. Building & running
> 4. Live demo
> 
> It could be recorded/webinar style (not necessary live call) for about 20 
> people at first step (both Karaf developers and users).
> The purpose is to evaluate the direction.
> 
> Thoughts ?
> Who would be interested ?
> 
> Thanks,
> Regards
> JB

Re: [X-Mas Gift] Panel discussion about Karaf 5

[Matt Pavlovich]

Yep!  This would be great, please include me on the invite.

> On Dec 15, 2020, at 11:32 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofre  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Maybe some of you know that I started to work on Karaf 5.
> 
> I have something that it’s almost "usable".
> 
> Before sending a global discussion thread on the mailing list, I would like 
> to evaluate the ideas & big changes I did.
> 
> I would like to know if some of you would be interested by a panel discussion 
> call to introduce Karaf 5 (limited audience at first step).
> 
> The agenda of this call would be:
> 1. Pros/Cons about Karaf as it is today
> 2. Concepts in Karaf 5 (module, extension, …)
> 3. Building & running
> 4. Live demo
> 
> It could be recorded/webinar style (not necessary live call) for about 20 
> people at first step (both Karaf developers and users).
> The purpose is to evaluate the direction.
> 
> Thoughts ?
> Who would be interested ?
> 
> Thanks,
> Regards
> JB

Re: [X-Mas Gift] Panel discussion about Karaf 5

[Thomas Driessen]

Hi J.B. :)

as you already teasered me, I would love to join ;)

Kind regards,
Thomas

Oleg Cohen  schrieb am Di., 15. Dez. 2020,
19:03:

> Hi JB,
>
> Great news! This is awesome. I would love to join.
>
> Best regards,
> Oleg
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 15, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofre 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > Maybe some of you know that I started to work on Karaf 5.
> >
> > I have something that it’s almost "usable".
> >
> > Before sending a global discussion thread on the mailing list, I would
> like to evaluate the ideas & big changes I did.
> >
> > I would like to know if some of you would be interested by a panel
> discussion call to introduce Karaf 5 (limited audience at first step).
> >
> > The agenda of this call would be:
> > 1. Pros/Cons about Karaf as it is today
> > 2. Concepts in Karaf 5 (module, extension, …)
> > 3. Building & running
> > 4. Live demo
> >
> > It could be recorded/webinar style (not necessary live call) for about
> 20 people at first step (both Karaf developers and users).
> > The purpose is to evaluate the direction.
> >
> > Thoughts ?
> > Who would be interested ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Regards
> > JB
>

Re: [X-Mas Gift] Panel discussion about Karaf 5

[Oleg Cohen]

Hi JB,

Great news! This is awesome. I would love to join.

Best regards,
Oleg

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofre  wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> Maybe some of you know that I started to work on Karaf 5.
>
> I have something that it’s almost "usable".
>
> Before sending a global discussion thread on the mailing list, I would like 
> to evaluate the ideas & big changes I did.
>
> I would like to know if some of you would be interested by a panel discussion 
> call to introduce Karaf 5 (limited audience at first step).
>
> The agenda of this call would be:
> 1. Pros/Cons about Karaf as it is today
> 2. Concepts in Karaf 5 (module, extension, …)
> 3. Building & running
> 4. Live demo
>
> It could be recorded/webinar style (not necessary live call) for about 20 
> people at first step (both Karaf developers and users).
> The purpose is to evaluate the direction.
>
> Thoughts ?
> Who would be interested ?
>
> Thanks,
> Regards
> JB