Re: Leveraging Youtube

[Jacques Le Roux]

But 
http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/02/the-complaint-apples-patent-lawsuit-against-htc-is-all-about-android/
Let's see hat will happen really...

Jacques
PS: I use none of them, I'm not a great traveller anymore, so I have all in 
front of me...

From: "Jacques Le Roux" 

Oops, soory I did not read the article completly
http://privacylaw.proskauer.com/2009/02/articles/international/google-execs-face-privacyrelated-and-other-criminal-charges-for-taunting-video/
For what it's said here I'd not say that Google is doing evil at all

Jacques

From: "BJ Freeman" 


I was planning on like how to  configure a component.

what would evil?

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Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 2/28/2010 2:01 PM:

Yes this is certainly a good idea, viral marketing is very efficient.
Keep it clean though (looks like even Google is doing evil now...)

Jacques

From: "Rishi Solanki" 

+1.

Rishi Solanki
Enterprise Software Developer
HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd.


On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 5:52 AM, BJ Freeman  wrote:


I thought occurs to me that putting up youtubes would promote ofbiz.
each person could take a focus and walk it through begin to end.
the would promote ofbiz and the person doing the youtube.

Re: Leveraging Youtube

[BJ Freeman]

I think the Key is constructive criticism.

Yes ofbiz is a mammoth for those that use lesser programs and want a
quick solution.
so what is a solution, then we have a constructive criticism.
Both Hans and I have been working on such a solution with built-in
configuration scripts.

Yes ofbiz is complex. It is a generic answer to many areas of business.
only manufacturing and Ecommerce are in the SVN but there is yet Health
care, Telecommunication, insurance, Financial services,Professionals
services, and Travel(though Hans has addressed this)
This come form the Data model Book II.

I have identified and designed many more
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=99

Now you can find applications that may work for one of these areas but
not one that will work for all these areas. the target application would
take a lot more to be able to cover what ofbiz does and therefor be as
mammoth in effort.

For my end Users, the way we overcome the learning curves is I setup a
list of Book marks that each person uses in their daily work. That is my
job as the consultant.

The one commercial application that I think is equivalent to ofbiz is
SAP. Even they are having problems related to their product.
However they also charge a subscription fee to support their product. It
is quite hefty so only large companies can afford their product.

So if you going to Identify a weakness in ofbiz, which there are many,
also Identify a solution and path to accomplish it.

I hesitate to suggest the Jira, since it is geared to this, but also
research the methods that have been laid out by David as to addressing
these.

For those that would like to real time chat
IRC irc.freenode.net #ofbiz
if I am there I be glad to provide anyone the text copy of the discussion.

lets work together for solutions.

=
BJ Freeman
http://bjfreeman.elance.com
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation 

Specialtymarket.com 

Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

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Christopher Snow sent the following on 3/1/2010 8:28 AM:
> To turn this into a positive, perhaps we need somewhere on the wiki
> where we catalog the issues of the community? that way we won't need to
> keep fighting these battles.  This shouldn't become an area for slating
> ofbiz, it shown be used to document actual issues and what is happening
> to resolve them.
> 
> At the moment, every one has their own opinion what is best for ofbiz. 
> However, we all agree that ofbiz needs more people interested in it -
> let's find out what users/developers really want from ofbiz?  How about
> putting the ofbiz survey to use?  Ruth is right, we should listen to our
> customers, especially those that are disheartened.
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> I agree with Jacopo,
>>
>> On the other hand it's also true that Chris try to help and is tossing
>> around some interesting ideas (OSGI, etc.).
>> So if we could have only this good relation it would be better for
>> everybody I think...
>>
>> My 2cts
>>
>> Jacques
>>
> 
> 

Re: Leveraging Youtube

[Christopher Snow]

To turn this into a positive, perhaps we need somewhere on the wiki 
where we catalog the issues of the community? that way we won't need to 
keep fighting these battles.  This shouldn't become an area for slating 
ofbiz, it shown be used to document actual issues and what is happening 
to resolve them.


At the moment, every one has their own opinion what is best for ofbiz.  
However, we all agree that ofbiz needs more people interested in it - 
let's find out what users/developers really want from ofbiz?  How about 
putting the ofbiz survey to use?  Ruth is right, we should listen to our 
customers, especially those that are disheartened. 


Jacques Le Roux wrote:

I agree with Jacopo,

On the other hand it's also true that Chris try to help and is tossing 
around some interesting ideas (OSGI, etc.).
So if we could have only this good relation it would be better for 
everybody I think...


My 2cts

Jacques

Re: Leveraging Youtube

[Jacopo Cappellato]

On Mar 1, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:

> Hi Jacopo:
> 
> How can you build great software or any product for that matter, if you don't 
> listen to what your customer's have to say? In such a case, your "great 
> software" is only great in your eyes. But perhaps that is what you want?
> 

Still complaining?

> Looks to me like you should put on your ear phones and get back to work.

Yeah, you are right

Jacopo

> Regards,
> Ruth
> 
> Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>> On Mar 1, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Christopher Snow wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>> Hi Jacopo,  I'm not complaining - I'm merely stating my experiences. 
>> 
>> No, no... you are complaining a lot!!!
>> 
>>  
>>> I am also trying to help with the areas that are a problem, such as 
>>> documentation, bug fixes, etc.
>>> 
>>>
>> 
>> And while doing this you complain...
>> The way I see the public lists is like an open space office, where people 
>> are building together a great software; and having guys in the near desk 
>> that can't work in silence, or that have to jump in in every conversation is 
>> annoying if you are trying to perform a task.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Jacopo
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>> Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>>
 Chris, Ruth, Matt,
 
 I am sorry to know that your experience with OFBiz was not good; I wish 
 you all the best with the software package that you will select for your 
 business: but please, please, please, stop complaining here.
 
 Jacopo
 
 
 On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Matt Warnock wrote:
 
   
> I AM a small business owner, and you're both right.  I need it, but the
> learning curve is too steep.
> 
> On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 09:31 +, Christopher Snow wrote:
>   
>> AGoens wrote:
>>   
>>> From my perspective, small business owners need OFBiz, they just don't 
>>> know
>>> it.
>>>   
>> Really? I've found that small business owners find ofbiz much too 
>> complex.
>>   
> -- 
> Matt Warnock 
> RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc.
> 
>   
   
>> 
>> 
>>  

Re: Leveraging Youtube

[Jacopo Cappellato]

On Mar 1, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Christopher Snow wrote:

> Thanks for the frank feedback Jacopo.  I guess you are having problems with 
> the way the community works?  (is that another complaint?  I'm not sure)

Do not put words in my mouth: I have specifically addressed my complains (!!!) 
to you, Matt and Ruth mostly because of the number of messages that you find 
the time to post, while struggling with OFBiz: I think it is amazing that you 
are still able to find out the time to study and progress with OFBiz.

I don't have any problem with the community.

Jacopo


> 
>>> I am also trying to help with the areas that are a problem, such as 
>>> documentation, bug fixes, etc.
>>>
>> And while doing this you complain...
>> The way I see the public lists is like an open space office, where people 
>> are building together a great software; and having guys in the near desk 
>> that can't work in silence, or that have to jump in in every conversation is 
>> annoying if you are trying to perform a task.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Jacopo
>>  
> 

Re: Leveraging Youtube

[Ruth Hoffman]

Hi Jacopo:

How can you build great software or any product for that matter, if you 
don't listen to what your customer's have to say? In such a case, your 
"great software" is only great in your eyes. But perhaps that is what 
you want?


Looks to me like you should put on your ear phones and get back to work.
Regards,
Ruth

Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

On Mar 1, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Christopher Snow wrote:

  
Hi Jacopo,  I'm not complaining - I'm merely stating my experiences. 



No, no... you are complaining a lot!!!

  

I am also trying to help with the areas that are a problem, such as 
documentation, bug fixes, etc.




And while doing this you complain...
The way I see the public lists is like an open space office, where people are 
building together a great software; and having guys in the near desk that can't 
work in silence, or that have to jump in in every conversation is annoying if 
you are trying to perform a task.

Kind regards,

Jacopo


  

Jacopo Cappellato wrote:


Chris, Ruth, Matt,

I am sorry to know that your experience with OFBiz was not good; I wish you all 
the best with the software package that you will select for your business: but 
please, please, please, stop complaining here.

Jacopo


On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Matt Warnock wrote:

 
  

I AM a small business owner, and you're both right.  I need it, but the
learning curve is too steep.

On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 09:31 +, Christopher Snow wrote:
   


AGoens wrote:
 
  

From my perspective, small business owners need OFBiz, they just don't know
it.
   


Really? I've found that small business owners find ofbiz much too complex.
 
  

--
Matt Warnock 
RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc.

   

 
  



  

Re: Leveraging Youtube

[Jacques Le Roux]

I agree with Jacopo,

On the other hand it's also true that Chris try to help and is tossing around 
some interesting ideas (OSGI, etc.).
So if we could have only this good relation it would be better for everybody I 
think...

My 2cts

Jacques

From: "Jacopo Cappellato" 

On Mar 1, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Christopher Snow wrote:


Hi Jacopo,  I'm not complaining - I'm merely stating my experiences.


No, no... you are complaining a lot!!!


I am also trying to help with the areas that are a problem, such as 
documentation, bug fixes, etc.



And while doing this you complain...
The way I see the public lists is like an open space office, where people are building together a great software; and having guys 
in the near desk that can't work in silence, or that have to jump in in every conversation is annoying if you are trying to 
perform a task.


Kind regards,

Jacopo



Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

Chris, Ruth, Matt,

I am sorry to know that your experience with OFBiz was not good; I wish you all the best with the software package that you will 
select for your business: but please, please, please, stop complaining here.


Jacopo


On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Matt Warnock wrote:



I AM a small business owner, and you're both right.  I need it, but the
learning curve is too steep.

On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 09:31 +, Christopher Snow wrote:


AGoens wrote:


From my perspective, small business owners need OFBiz, they just don't know
it.


Really? I've found that small business owners find ofbiz much too complex.


--
Matt Warnock 
RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc.

RE: Leveraging Youtube

[Charles TJ - SELC Sales Div]

Hi Matt,

Me too, have the same experience like you do.

- Charles TJ

===

-Original Message-
From: Matt Warnock [mailto:mwarn...@ridgecrestherbals.com]
Sent: 01 March 2010 21:58
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Subject: Re: Leveraging Youtube


I AM a small business owner, and you're both right.  I need it, but the
learning curve is too steep.

On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 09:31 +, Christopher Snow wrote:
> AGoens wrote:
> > From my perspective, small business owners need OFBiz, they just don't know
> > it.
> Really? I've found that small business owners find ofbiz much too complex.


-- 
Matt Warnock 
RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc.

Re: Leveraging Youtube

[Christopher Snow]

Thanks for the frank feedback Jacopo.  I guess you are having problems 
with the way the community works?  (is that another complaint?  I'm not 
sure)



I am also trying to help with the areas that are a problem, such as 
documentation, bug fixes, etc.


And while doing this you complain...
The way I see the public lists is like an open space office, where people are 
building together a great software; and having guys in the near desk that can't 
work in silence, or that have to jump in in every conversation is annoying if 
you are trying to perform a task.

Kind regards,

Jacopo
  

Re: Leveraging Youtube

[Matt Warnock]

+1.  Have had several (I thought) useful discussions with Jacques and
others about how OFBiz can be improved.  Helping where I can.  Sorry
it's pushing your buttons.

On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 15:38 +, Christopher Snow wrote:
> Hi Jacopo,  I'm not complaining - I'm merely stating my experiences. 
> 
> I am also trying to help with the areas that are a problem, such as 
> documentation, bug fixes, etc.
> 
> Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> > Chris, Ruth, Matt,
> >
> > I am sorry to know that your experience with OFBiz was not good; I wish you 
> > all the best with the software package that you will select for your 
> > business: but please, please, please, stop complaining here.
> >
> > Jacopo
> >
> >
> > On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Matt Warnock wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> I AM a small business owner, and you're both right.  I need it, but the
> >> learning curve is too steep.
> >>
> >> On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 09:31 +, Christopher Snow wrote:
> >> 
> >>> AGoens wrote:
> >>>   
>  From my perspective, small business owners need OFBiz, they just don't 
>  know
>  it.
>  
> >>> Really? I've found that small business owners find ofbiz much too complex.
> >>>   
> >> -- 
> >> Matt Warnock 
> >> RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc.
> >>
> >> 
> >
> >   


-- 
Matt Warnock 
RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc.

Re: Leveraging Youtube

[Jacopo Cappellato]

On Mar 1, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Christopher Snow wrote:

> Hi Jacopo,  I'm not complaining - I'm merely stating my experiences. 

No, no... you are complaining a lot!!!

> I am also trying to help with the areas that are a problem, such as 
> documentation, bug fixes, etc.
> 

And while doing this you complain...
The way I see the public lists is like an open space office, where people are 
building together a great software; and having guys in the near desk that can't 
work in silence, or that have to jump in in every conversation is annoying if 
you are trying to perform a task.

Kind regards,

Jacopo


> Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>> Chris, Ruth, Matt,
>> 
>> I am sorry to know that your experience with OFBiz was not good; I wish you 
>> all the best with the software package that you will select for your 
>> business: but please, please, please, stop complaining here.
>> 
>> Jacopo
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Matt Warnock wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>> I AM a small business owner, and you're both right.  I need it, but the
>>> learning curve is too steep.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 09:31 +, Christopher Snow wrote:
>>>
 AGoens wrote:
  
> From my perspective, small business owners need OFBiz, they just don't 
> know
> it.
>
 Really? I've found that small business owners find ofbiz much too complex.
  
>>> -- 
>>> Matt Warnock 
>>> RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc.
>>> 
>>>
>> 
>>  
> 

Re: Leveraging Youtube

[Christopher Snow]

Hi Jacopo,  I'm not complaining - I'm merely stating my experiences. 

I am also trying to help with the areas that are a problem, such as 
documentation, bug fixes, etc.


Jacopo Cappellato wrote:

Chris, Ruth, Matt,

I am sorry to know that your experience with OFBiz was not good; I wish you all 
the best with the software package that you will select for your business: but 
please, please, please, stop complaining here.

Jacopo


On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Matt Warnock wrote:

  

I AM a small business owner, and you're both right.  I need it, but the
learning curve is too steep.

On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 09:31 +, Christopher Snow wrote:


AGoens wrote:
  

From my perspective, small business owners need OFBiz, they just don't know
it.


Really? I've found that small business owners find ofbiz much too complex.
  

--
Matt Warnock 
RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc.




  

Re: Leveraging Youtube

[Jacopo Cappellato]

Chris, Ruth, Matt,

I am sorry to know that your experience with OFBiz was not good; I wish you all 
the best with the software package that you will select for your business: but 
please, please, please, stop complaining here.

Jacopo


On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Matt Warnock wrote:

> I AM a small business owner, and you're both right.  I need it, but the
> learning curve is too steep.
> 
> On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 09:31 +, Christopher Snow wrote:
>> AGoens wrote:
>>> From my perspective, small business owners need OFBiz, they just don't know
>>> it.
>> Really? I've found that small business owners find ofbiz much too complex.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Matt Warnock 
> RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc.
> 

Re: Leveraging Youtube

[Matt Warnock]

I AM a small business owner, and you're both right.  I need it, but the
learning curve is too steep.

On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 09:31 +, Christopher Snow wrote:
> AGoens wrote:
> > From my perspective, small business owners need OFBiz, they just don't know
> > it.
> Really? I've found that small business owners find ofbiz much too complex.


-- 
Matt Warnock 
RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc.

Re: Leveraging Youtube

[Ruth Hoffman]

Hi AGoens & Chris:

Complex and too confusing. They become discouraged and look elsewhere.

Regards,
Ruth

Christopher Snow wrote:

AGoens wrote:
From my perspective, small business owners need OFBiz, they just 
don't know

it.
Really? I've found that small business owners find ofbiz much too 
complex.

Re: Leveraging Youtube

[Christopher Snow]

AGoens wrote:

From my perspective, small business owners need OFBiz, they just don't know
it.

Really? I've found that small business owners find ofbiz much too complex.

Re: Leveraging Youtube

[Jacques Le Roux]

Oops, soory I did not read the article completly
http://privacylaw.proskauer.com/2009/02/articles/international/google-execs-face-privacyrelated-and-other-criminal-charges-for-taunting-video/
For what it's said here I'd not say that Google is doing evil at all

Jacques

From: "BJ Freeman" 


I was planning on like how to  configure a component.

what would evil?

===

BJ Freeman
http://bjfreeman.elance.com
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation 

Specialtymarket.com 
Systems Integrator-- 
Glad to Assist

Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Linkedin



Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 2/28/2010 2:01 PM:

Yes this is certainly a good idea, viral marketing is very efficient.
Keep it clean though (looks like even Google is doing evil now...)

Jacques

From: "Rishi Solanki" 

+1.

Rishi Solanki
Enterprise Software Developer
HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd.


On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 5:52 AM, BJ Freeman  wrote:


I thought occurs to me that putting up youtubes would promote ofbiz.
each person could take a focus and walk it through begin to end.
the would promote ofbiz and the person doing the youtube.

Re: Leveraging Youtube

[AGoens]

my example of why you should leverage youtube..
When I was tasked by my boss to find a ERP+Ecommerce solution I first asked
him, "do you have any Idea of what program you would like to use?". He said,
"Sure, NetSuite but we can't afford it". The first thing I did was google
"NetSuite Pricing" and one of the top five links was a You Tube video for a
cloud based ERP-Ecommerce company out of England. Good video. I stopped my
search, inquired and after 2 days of phone calls and demo driving I realized
that this program could never meet my requirements. 

>From my perspective, small business owners need OFBiz, they just don't know
it.  A simple video that has all the right search keywords should do
wonders.


-- 
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Re: Leveraging Youtube

[BJ Freeman]

I was planning on like how to  configure a component.

what would evil?

===

BJ Freeman
http://bjfreeman.elance.com
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation 

Specialtymarket.com 
 Systems Integrator-- 
Glad to Assist

Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Linkedin



Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 2/28/2010 2:01 PM:
> Yes this is certainly a good idea, viral marketing is very efficient.
> Keep it clean though (looks like even Google is doing evil now...)
> 
> Jacques
> 
> From: "Rishi Solanki" 
>> +1.
>>
>> Rishi Solanki
>> Enterprise Software Developer
>> HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 5:52 AM, BJ Freeman  wrote:
>>
>>> I thought occurs to me that putting up youtubes would promote ofbiz.
>>> each person could take a focus and walk it through begin to end.
>>> the would promote ofbiz and the person doing the youtube.
>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> 
> 

Re: Leveraging Youtube

[Jacques Le Roux]

Yes this is certainly a good idea, viral marketing is very efficient. Keep it clean though (looks like even Google is doing evil 
now...)


Jacques

From: "Rishi Solanki" 

+1.

Rishi Solanki
Enterprise Software Developer
HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd.


On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 5:52 AM, BJ Freeman  wrote:


I thought occurs to me that putting up youtubes would promote ofbiz.
each person could take a focus and walk it through begin to end.
the would promote ofbiz and the person doing the youtube.

Re: Leveraging Youtube

[Rishi Solanki]

+1.

Rishi Solanki
Enterprise Software Developer
HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd.


On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 5:52 AM, BJ Freeman  wrote:

> I thought occurs to me that putting up youtubes would promote ofbiz.
> each person could take a focus and walk it through begin to end.
> the would promote ofbiz and the person doing the youtube.
>
>

Leveraging Youtube

[BJ Freeman]

I thought occurs to me that putting up youtubes would promote ofbiz.
each person could take a focus and walk it through begin to end.
the would promote ofbiz and the person doing the youtube.