AW: Where dose JSP works in JSF request lifecycle?

2006-04-28 Thread Bernhard Slominski
 So, how do you make sure that the right dynamic data gets 
 loaded so that the
 page displays the right stuff?  That's where Shale comes in 
 handy.  If your
 backing bean implements the ViewController interface, then 
 prerender() will
 get called just before the JSP page is invoked.  This is the 
 perfect place
 to grab any data you need from your database to display the 
 requested page.
 
 You can do this without Shale, but there's somewhat more pain 
 involved.

So how would you do it in plain JSF without the ViewController?
In the contructor?

Bernhard

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AW: Shale vs. Action framework Statistics

2006-03-06 Thread Bernhard Slominski
Ted,

thanks for the answer, you gave me really some good sources to look at.
Even though it's a bit unfortunate that the statistics are not split between
Struts Action and Struts Shale.
Especially for the downdload area it would be interesting to see the
devleopment of the two.
Is it possible to change that?

Bernhard

 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Gesendet: Samstag, 4. März 2006 17:08
 An: Struts Users Mailing List
 Betreff: Re: Shale vs. Action framework Statistics
 
 
 On 3/4/06, Bernhard Slominski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  are there any download statistics availabe for Shale + the 
 action framework?
 
  Could give a rough estimated about the popularity of both framworks.
 
 The download statistics for the Apache Struts website are here:
 
 * http://people.apache.org/~vgritsenko/stats/projects/struts
 
 But it doesn't distinguish between Struts Action and Struts Shale.
 
 Another good way to judge the popularity of a product is by the
 articles and extensions other people publish about it. For more on
 that score visit
 
 * Planet Struts - http://www.PlanetStruts.org/
 * Struts Central - http://www.StrutsCentral.net/
 
 According to the OnJava 2005 reader survey, the Struts Action
 framework was holding steady at a 60% share (among readers who
 responded).
 
 * 
 http://www.planetstruts.org/roller/page/news?entry=struts_stil
l_the_one_says

Of course, the best reason to select a product is because it meets
*your* needs. Every framework out there was created because someone
felt their specific needs were not being addressed. The best advice is
to try a portion of your application (a spike) in a couple of likely
choices, and then decide for yourself.  Besides Shale and Action,
other likely candiates might be Tapestry, Spring MVC, and Wicket,
along with WebWork (Action2).

If the choice is between Action and Shale, then first decide if you
want to use JSF. For more see,

* http://struts.apache.org/kickstart.html#choice

-- HTH, Ted.
** http://www.husted.com/ted/blog/

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Shale vs. Action framework Statistics

2006-03-04 Thread Bernhard Slominski
Hi,

are there any download statistics availabe for Shale + the action framework?

Could give a rough estimated about the popularity of both framworks.

Thanks

Bernhard Slominski


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AW: AW: Disabling Back Button in IE

2006-02-22 Thread Bernhard Slominski
This problem is as old as the web browsers are, at the beginning browsers
and http were just there to display static pages, not for building
applications with it, so the back button was not a problem.
But you get serious problems with that when building applications.
But as Frank and Josh pointed, now matter what you do there is always a
posibility that you go back to the last page.

So my recommendation is also that you do a check on the server side, 
so e.g. when you press the sumbmit order, delete the shopping cart in the
session, when the back button is prssed you realize the session shoping cart
is empty and issue a message Your shooping cart is gone.
A pain, but no real way around it!

Bernhard

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 Cc: user@struts.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: AW: Disabling Back Button in IE
 
 
 Doesn't stop me from clicking my mouse wheel, which is mapped 
 to Back :)
 
 Betreff: Re: Disabling Back Button in IE
 
  Can't (and shouldn't) be done. The closest you're likely to
  get it open your app in a popup window with no menu, though
  the user can still hit backspace. A better idea is to fix the
  (assumed) re-post issues in your application.
 
  -Josh
 
 Hi
 Anyone can tell how to disable the Back button in IE
 through our Code.


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AW: [Shale] API Stability vs. V1.0

2006-02-01 Thread Bernhard Slominski
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 von Craig
 
 Of course right now it's not possible to tell which release 
 it is or when
  this is.
 
 Not really at this point ... but feedback on that topic, as 
 well as general
 usage comments, is welcome.  At what feature set would users 
 consider it
 complete enough to use?  Would you want to wait for one or 
 more particular
 features to reach evolving stability rankings first?
 
 Craig
 

Well in my opinion the features in the current alpha version are good enough
to justify a first general availability release.
The good thing about Shale is that many of the features can be used
stand-alone, so I think many users may just use one or the other feature,
which is missing in JSF 1.1/1.2 but which makes development much easier. 
So from this perspective it makes sense to make Shale - as it is from the
features included - the first general availibility release.

Bernhard

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[Shale] API Stability vs. V1.0

2006-01-31 Thread Bernhard Slominski
Hi all,

I am a bit confused about the versioning and the API stability.
So the current Version of Shale is 1.0.1 (according to the API
documentation), so a 1.0 version.

However the API stability
(http://struts.apache.org/struts-shale/api-stability.html) tell a different
story, from the 32 packages only 7 packages are evolving that means
backwards compatibility is maintained.
So from the API stability it looks more like a  0.5 release status.

So my question: In which version can the status evolving for all packages
be expected? Or will there be always some packages in the developing
status? 

I understand that according to the Struts FAQ there will be no release
schedules (http://struts.apache.org/helping.html#release), I read it,
understood it and accepted it, however if someone's got a rough estimate I'd
be happy to hear about it.

Thanks

Bernhard 


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AW: [Shale] API Stability vs. V1.0

2006-01-31 Thread Bernhard Slominski

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 von Craig
 McClanahan
 
 Shale follows the same version branding policy that the rest 
 of Struts does
 (along with Tomcat and some other projects).  An x.y.z 
 release is first
 issued with no quality metric, and is then voted on as 
 being of alpha,
 beta, or general availability quality.  The 1.0.0 release was 
 voted to be
 alpha quality (in spite of the fact that many portions are 
 more stable than
 that would imply) as a whole.

Ok, thanks!
So are the following statements right then?
There will be a 1.0.x version which is voted for general availability
quality.
But in this general availability quality 1.0.x release there might be a few
developing APIs as well.
Of course right now it's not possible to tell which release it is or when
this is.

Benrhard

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AW: Forcing URL Rewriting over Cookies in an existing application .

2006-01-24 Thread Bernhard Slominski
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 Von: David G. Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Gesendet: Montag, 23. Januar 2006 18:10
 
 What do you mean by do it the other way around ?
 
Well I mean that you ONLY use cookies for the session management and not URL
Rewriting, you might want to do that for security reason, because when using
URL Rewriting the Session ID is in the address line and the cache, so a
pssoble security risk.

I think this should be contollable in a standard way and not
container-specific.

Bernhard

 
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 Subject: AW: Forcing URL Rewriting over Cookies in an existing
 application.
 
 
 Thank you!
 But it's not possible to do it the other way round in Tomcat right ?
 Also I think this should belong in the web.xml and shouldn't be
 container-specific, what do you think?
 
 Bernhard
 
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  Gesendet: Montag, 23. Januar 2006 17:28
  An: Struts Users Mailing List
  Betreff: RE: Forcing URL Rewriting over Cookies in an existing
  application.
 
 
  The same thing (disable cookies but enable url rewriting)
  should work on Tomcat 4.X and 5.X.  See  the cookies
  attribute in the below url(s):
 
  http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-4.0-doc/config/context.html
  http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.0-doc/config/context.html
  http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/config/context.html
 
  Regards,
  David
 
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  application.
 
 
  OT, but I'm interested, is this available im Tomcat too?
 
  Thanks
 
  Bernhard
 
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   http://access1.sun.com/techarticles/sessions.iws.html
  
   Regards,
   David
  
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   Hi all, I have an application (Sun ONE 6.1 sp2, Struts 1.02
   (I guess)) that uses Cookies for session handling and has
   been so for around 3/4 years. I have a requirement where I
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AW: Forcing URL Rewriting over Cookies in an existing application .

2006-01-23 Thread Bernhard Slominski
OT, but I'm interested, is this available im Tomcat too?

Thanks

Bernhard

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 application.
 
 
 http://access1.sun.com/techarticles/sessions.iws.html
 
 Regards,
 David
 
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AW: Forcing URL Rewriting over Cookies in an existing application .

2006-01-23 Thread Bernhard Slominski
Thank you!
But it's not possible to do it the other way round in Tomcat right ?
Also I think this should belong in the web.xml and shouldn't be
container-specific, what do you think?

Bernhard

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 Von: David G. Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Gesendet: Montag, 23. Januar 2006 17:28
 An: Struts Users Mailing List
 Betreff: RE: Forcing URL Rewriting over Cookies in an existing
 application.
 
 
 The same thing (disable cookies but enable url rewriting) 
 should work on Tomcat 4.X and 5.X.  See  the cookies
 attribute in the below url(s):
 
 http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-4.0-doc/config/context.html
 http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.0-doc/config/context.html
 http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/config/context.html
 
 Regards,
 David
 
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 Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:20 AM
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 Subject: AW: Forcing URL Rewriting over Cookies in an existing
 application.
 
 
 OT, but I'm interested, is this available im Tomcat too?
 
 Thanks
 
 Bernhard
 
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  http://access1.sun.com/techarticles/sessions.iws.html
 
  Regards,
  David
 
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  Subject: Forcing URL Rewriting over Cookies in an existing
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  (I guess)) that uses Cookies for session handling and has
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  want to force URL Rewriting even if the browser supports
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AW: How does Shale affect my Struts development

2005-12-29 Thread Bernhard Slominski
Hi Jim,

don't make the following mistake: 
I use Struts but I want to move on, so I have to use Shale!

Shale is build ON TOP of JSF, so to understand the benefit of Shale you have
to know JSF.
So the first question to ask yourself: 
Do I want to move to JSF or is Struts just fine for me?
When you decided to move to JSF or to at least take a closer look at it then
after being familiar with JSF you can look at Shale and see if that's the
right technology for you.
I guess in your case you seem to be fine with Struts, so just stay with it!

Bernhard

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 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Dezember 2005 15:10
 An: user@struts.apache.org
 Betreff: How does Shale affect my Struts development
 
 
 First off, a little background. I have started using the 'Struts'
 framework about 1 year ago. I have created three apps, and all is
 moving along pretty well with the Struts and model 2 approach. I am
 just starting to use more design patterns for my business logic, etc.
 
 Anyway, as you may be aware I frequent this list, and try to keep up
 with what is going on with the Struts project.
 
 I am noticing a lot of 'Shale' discussion, and I have just finished
 reading the link here http://struts.apache.org/struts-shale/ and
 franky, I am not sure what Shale brings to the table that is not
 already included with Struts?
 
 I guess, the reason for this post is, I was hoping possibly there are
 people out there who understand this Struts/Shale and could tell me
 how to get started, and what the gain is. Whether the best approach is
 to build a simple Struts app and convert it, or what steps I need to
 take in order to be prepared and keep my skill set where it needs to
 be.
 
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AW: validation error messages in JSF

2005-12-21 Thread Bernhard Slominski
You can use the Shale validation featrue.
This supports client-side validation via javascript, it's also possible to
switch off the server-side validation.
Look at:
http://struts.apache.org/struts-shale/features-commons-validator.html

Cheers

Bernhard

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 Hi all,
 
 We can do validation in JSF not by java script, on that time the error
 message will appear on the screen. For us, we don't need like 
 that message
 in screen. We need to show as java script alert box.
 
 Is there any way to do this?
 
  
 
  
 
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AW: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache Struts offers Shale for JSF

2005-12-16 Thread Bernhard Slominski
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 von Craig
 
 I'd be happy to answer any specific questions on points that 
 are in the
 slides.
 

I realized that all features are documented except for the Remoting one
http://struts.apache.org/struts-shale/features-remoting.html
As this combines the hottest topics around (JSF, AJAX) it would be nice to
have a few words about it.

Thanks

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AW: [OT] Re: Is JSF ready?

2005-12-14 Thread Bernhard Slominski
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 Von: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 On Wed, December 14, 2005 9:37 am, Bill Schneider said:
  On the other hand, JSF does make doing some simple things hard.
 
 I think this is actually an excellent point, and I was 
 thinking of it the
 other day and forgot to make it myself...
 

This is a really good thread with a lot of valuable input:
My opinion goes into this direction:
Some stuff in JSF is really not so nice, one thing is also performance long
lists take much longer than plain JSP.
But you're still able to pick the goodies for yourself (form validation,
state saving) and use plain JSP for the rest (bookmarking, long lists).
JSF 1.2 works fine with JSP/JSTL, so now a soft migration becomes much
easier.

Bernhard





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AW: Strategy for javascript validation with i18n

2005-11-25 Thread Bernhard Slominski
If you want to try something new you can use AJAX in that way that your
validation is done on the server but you still can have (more or less)
instant javascript feedback without resubmitting the form.
So you only have a thin javascript interface but your validation code is in
Java on the server.

Bernhard

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 Betreff: Strategy for javascript validation with i18n
 
 
 
 Hi all,
 In my multilingual project, I want to use my own custom Javascript
 validation instead of one provided by strusts 1.1
 I have to do this because its not working in many cases with weblogic
 workshop, specially the indexed fields.
 
 My main concern is How can I provide a simple java script API which
 should take care
 1. Getting the message from resource bundle
 2. Substituting the message parameters
 3. Doing different validation  for different countries for the same
 field. For eg dd/mm/ for UK, but mm/dd/ for US
 
 1 and 2 can be done with I18n tag, but 3rd  is looking to be difficult
 as I want to use the common javascript method.
 
 Any have similar experience, please share with me.
 
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AW: [OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited?

2005-11-14 Thread Bernhard Slominski
 Have a look at the clay component from shale, as this supports this
 type of development process more fully as you could then use the
 generated HTML from the graphic artists directly, just add some ids
 much like Tapestry does.
 
Did you take a look at Facelets? It's something like Tapestry for JSF.
Allows you to work with plain HTML tags.

Bernhard

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AW: [Help] how to erase jsessionid in URL

2005-11-08 Thread Bernhard Slominski
I saw this question in the Tomcat mailing list every once in a while.
The control of the session tracking machanism can't be controlled right now
by the configuration.
The spec should be changed to allow the user (in this case the deployer)
to control the mechanism of session tracking.
If I don't forget it I add it to the JSP 2.1 issue tracker.

Until then I think the only possibility is really to change the Tomcat
sources.

Bernhard

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 Von: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. November 2005 08:49
 An: Struts Users Mailing List
 Cc: Struts Users Mailing List
 Betreff: Re: [Help] how to erase jsessionid in URL
 
 
 On Tue, November 8, 2005 1:37 am, Pham Anh Tuan said:
  PS: if I want to change whether or not jsessionid is used, 
 I must config
  container ?  Do you have any document which instruct me how to
  reconfig
  container :(, if you had, plz show me, uh :) ... thank you :)
 
 I'm assuming it's possible, it would seem bizarre if it 
 wasn't.  In either
 case though, it's going to be container-specific, so you'd 
 either have to
 ask on the appropriate list, or look through the docs.  I use 
 Tomcat and
 Websphere on a regular basis myself, and I don't know how to 
 do it off the
 top of my head on either.
 
 Frank
 
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AW: Shale timeline

2005-11-08 Thread Bernhard Slominski
Thanks, Ted that's really good! 
I quote that when someone asks me. I forward that to my boss too :-)

Bernhard

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 Von: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. November 2005 12:08
 An: Struts Users Mailing List
 Betreff: Re: Shale timeline
 
 
 On 11/4/05, Rahul Akolkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  There is a very good write-up somewhere on the Apache site about how
  releases work, can't find it now, sorry.
 
 * http://struts.apache.org/helping.html#release
 
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AW: [shale] Advantages of Shale over JSF alone

2005-11-08 Thread Bernhard Slominski
 
 I read the features the details there but being new to JSF 
 too they just kind of blend in with JSF features.
 
 Shawn D. Garner
 

I think before looking at Shale closer start to work with JSF standalone, 
you will only see the benfeits of Shale if you know (the shortcomings) of
JSF.
E.g. for understanding the dialogs in Shale and judge if it's useful for you
have to understand the page navigation in JSF.
If you feel confident and have some experience in JSF go back to Shale.

Bernhard


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AW: Shale timeline

2005-11-04 Thread Bernhard Slominski
 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: Rahul Akolkar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Gesendet: Freitag, 4. November 2005 17:55
 
   As far as I'm concerned, the feature work I wanted to see for a
   1.0.0release is complete
 
 
 In a nutshell, there are no dates (the process is driven by volunteers
 having enough time to finish up the tasks leading to a release). Also,
 I do not speak for the Struts Shale team, this is a broader comment.
 
 -Rahul

Rahul, thanks for the answer. I see this point and it's propably better not
to specify any dates, than conitiously postponing.
It was just a (nice) try, because that's what people always asking first,
but I think I can give them some useful information with the answers from
you and Craig.

Bernhard

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Shale timeline

2005-11-03 Thread Bernhard Slominski
Hi,

does anyone know when the first release 1.0 of struts shale is expected?
Are there any other milestone dates like alpha, beta versions?

Thanks

Bernhard


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AW: Shale timeline

2005-11-03 Thread Bernhard Slominski
Hi Craig,

thanks a lot for the answer, that's really helpful!

 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. November 2005 17:57

 As far as I'm concerned, the feature work I wanted to see for a
 1.0.0release is complete 

You don't want to come up with a specific date, do you? 
Well I guess everyone understands this because we all were missing promisied
target dates in our development life I guess :-)
But on the other hand that's what the people want to know, WHEN can I have
it? (I have to make a presentation about shale)

This information is summarized in the 
 Package Overview
 page for the core library:
 

http://people.apache.org/~craigmcc/shale-core-javadocs/overview-summary.html

That provides really useful information!

Thanks again 

Bernhard

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